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Speaker 1: you Veterans day. Let's remember the American veteran and thank

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Speaker 1: throughout the years, I always try to do salute the

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Speaker 1: someone I haven't seen in quite a few years in studio,

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Speaker 1: former counselman, Jeffrey Pastor, Jeffrey Man, it is good to

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Speaker 1: see you today. I've inspired everything that happens. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: But of course you went through a few legal challenges.

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Speaker 1: FBI set you up, and you, of course were you

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Let's give him his forty thousand dollars back,

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Speaker 1: and everybody, let's move on with our lives. That's where

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Speaker 1: PG finds himself today. And I presume since everybody is

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Speaker 2: It's good to have you in, Jeffrey Pastor.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you Brian for having me again. Happy birthday

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Speaker 2: Thanks man.

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Speaker 3: Happy Veterans Day.

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Speaker 4: You know I served in the United States military. Lets

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Speaker 4: Happy Veterans Day to them. And to your point, I'm

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Speaker 4: happy for PG. I believe it's the right move. And

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Speaker 4: Part two will come out tonight. And my thoughts about

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Speaker 4: not here to relitigate the past. It is what I

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Speaker 4: You know, It's about resilience. You know, it's about redemption.

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Speaker 3: You know, JD. Vance and his upbreaking resist Abraham Lincoln,

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Speaker 4: You got stories after stories about people who have come

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Speaker 3: So well even, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: So you pulling on my master's divinity.

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Speaker 4: It was actually Paul of Tarsus and he murdered the

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Speaker 2: I'm not even here among us is sin free, you know.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know, you invite a microscope when you

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Speaker 1: pursue office period and of story, that's like, you know,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, absolutely and and and like I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Pastor has in mind for the future. Seven thirty

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Speaker 1: six Right now more with Jeffrey Pastor. First station in

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Speaker 1: Former counselman Pastor, And of course I think everything in

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Speaker 1: And you say a lot of us, you in fact,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're making your case for those in

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Speaker 4: Well, absolutely, I mean when you get there, you're stripped

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Speaker 4: it was important to me, because you know, he wasn't

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Speaker 4: counselman PG. Sidenfield, you know what I mean, he wasn't there.

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Speaker 4: He was just a man, just like me in a

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Speaker 3: What you're seeing as an authentic leader.

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Speaker 4: It's the same authentic leader that you that some supported

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Speaker 4: And the same forgiveness that that folks have provided President Trump,

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Speaker 1: They could create a fake scenario and lure you into it. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: But we do love each other. Yeah, we do have

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Speaker 1: How did you deal with you? You're together with your wife.

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Speaker 4: I thank you for asking a question. My wife is

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I see it in your eyes.

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Speaker 4: I walked on that Ashland campus to other politicians who

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Speaker 4: Just let's cut to the chase. He's serving thirty years.

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Speaker 4: But when you get there and you really get to

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Speaker 4: So so it was I gotta do this. I have

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure we'll be hearing more from you, Jeffrey Pastor.

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Speaker 1: There's been great conversation. I had no idea which direction

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I'm happy for it. I am. I did

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Speaker 4: I think that everybody deserves mercy, Brian, I wear it

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Speaker 2: Bradley J. Hey, the shutdowns over. We'll talk about that next.

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Speaker 2: I mean need to