WEBVTT - 11-17-25 The Nightcap with Gary Jeff Walker 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:07.480 Hello, Howdie was on Welcome to the Nightcap seven hundred 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:13.280 w LW GJ Dove sitting down for another three hour tour. 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:17.440 It's the interview show that you will not want to miss, 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:19.119 and I hope you don't miss a minute of it 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.960 because it's going to be stellar tonight. Just great guests 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:29.720 and you, first and foremost, a very depressing football weekend 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:34.400 for me, not only your Bengals losing, but my Chiefs, 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:40.360 my Lions. I'm just glad that Vanderbilt had a bye 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.840 week in college football, or Hilsei could have been four 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:50.160 for four of misery. But there's always next week. Right, 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:55.400 Week eleven is done and maybe so is Jamar Chase 0:00:55.440 --> 0:01:00.279 for next week's game against the Patriots. Not good news again, 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:04.520 sorry Bengals fans, but get that out of the way. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:09.560 It's just football. What about what's going on every day 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:15.480 in our country with Democrat socialism not as popular as 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.680 you may think, even with the election of Zorammandani in 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:25.000 New York and that weird chick in Seattle. But I 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:29.080 mean that fits Seattle, doesn't it. We'll discuss this and 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:32.800 more the Epstein Files, the one eighty that President Trump 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:37.120 has wheeled around just this past week and with the 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.480 realization yet there are enough votes in the House of 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:44.480 Representatives to release all these Epstein files, and now the 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:48.600 President says, yes, please do it. I've got nothing to hide, 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.920 which I thought all along. Among those are the topics 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:58.000 we'll be discussing tonight again, a stellar panel, not the 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:01.120 least of which the wild Man and I can't wait 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.559 to hear his level of frustration and goo with another 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:09.480 bad Bengals loss yesterday in Pittsburgh to the Steelers. But 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.480 on the bright side, Peter Bronson will be our first 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:15.840 guest here in just a few minutes. He's got a 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.639 brand new book out, and Peter's books always do well. 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:25.119 It's always a great thing for local history buffs. When 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:29.200 Peter delivers his latest tome, and this one is a 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.919 little bit different, we'll discuss why. And then I like 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.640 to get Peter's opinions, pick his brain, so to speak, 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:40.200 on matters that we report on all the time at 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.080 current events and news and stuff. So Peter sits in 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.320 with me for the balance of this hour. Also doctor 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:51.160 Jim Waite. He was a former Northern Kentucky dentist who 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:55.840 married a woman from Ukraine and I remember talking to 0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:00.000 doctor Wade on this program actually several years ago before 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:05.079 for the Russian incursion, the latest Russian incursion into that country, 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.480 and him being in Ukraine, and you talked about the 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:14.080 corruption in the elections in Ukraine and obviously dealing with 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:18.400 much different circumstances these days. He has been recently. He 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:24.080 is going back this week to war torn Ukraine and 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.800 we'll get some eyewitness accounts of what he has seen 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:33.120 and what is going on inside that country with the 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:37.640 Putin's hordes at their door. We also have Walter Herbst, 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:42.720 who was another JFK expert on the assassination now some 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:48.400 sixty three years ago. Pete Shen from the Epstein Justice Project. 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.200 Peter Shen will be joining us as well. I hope 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.360 you stick around for all of it. It's the Nightcap, 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.080 and we will begin with our first guest, the one 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:03.200 and only Peterson in just minutes here on seven hundred 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:20.200 WLW only it's Steak and shake, Taste the difference, step 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:26.080 right this way for Peter Bronson and no, it's it's 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.240 not a reducts of Breakfast with the Beatles from two 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:33.000 thousand and eight earningthing on the Fox, but the fab 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:37.440 four appropriate relating to the title of Peter's latest book, 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.400 Peter Bronson in Studio. How you doing, man, very good? 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:42.440 And you glad to be here? Great to have you? 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.440 Always thank you. This is like content gold for a 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:49.839 nightcab great great, Well, I love it too. Magical History 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.520 Tour is the name of the book, Murder, Mystery and 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:58.320 Buried History. I should have brought this out on Halloween. Yeah, 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:03.440 well maybe. I love the cover with the covered wagon 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:07.919 and the cattle and the backdrop on the front of 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:12.920 the book. And there is a bonus inside this book, 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:17.480 ten places to discover Cincinnati history. And that has been 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.560 your forte and that has been what you've focused on. 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.640 Oh man, I love it. And I tell you what. 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.520 Every time I have you on and you've got a 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:33.360 new book out, there are people who absolutely respond. They 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:37.880 hear it, and not because anything that I do or 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.120 this show does, or this show reaches, but because it's 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.440 so compelling when they hear what the book is about 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:47.680 that they have to dive in, especially if they're they 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:52.599 consider themselves either a fishinados of Cincinnati local history or 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.800 if they or they don't know much about it, and 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.400 it instantly opens the door for them that you know, 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:02.719 they might not have knocked on if they had not 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:03.240 heard of it. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.359 That's what I love to do, and I love finding 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:10.239 stories that people don't know about, great stories of local history. 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.560 This place, Cincinnati is so rich in history anyway, But 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:17.960 things like who burned the Supper Club in nineteen seventy seven? 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.360 Or did you know Cincinnati was attacked by Confederates in 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:26.760 eighteen sixty two and barely survived. The South nearly took 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.479 a northern city and that would have been the only 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.880 one and they didn't quite do it, and that story 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.920 is great. Or did you know the story of who 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:42.120 was Matt Anthony Wayne? How did he save the entire Midwest? 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.080 Now, Peter's just referred to three of his other books 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.800 that we've talked about, Yeah, that you may have in 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:53.280 your possession. So this one, you did it kind of 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:59.160 a different approach. You wrote short stories for five different 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:05.400 items of Cincinnati history to take. Where did that concept 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.320 come from? Did you just think, Okay, I'm going to 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.840 do this differently this time, or you know, I've got 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:12.440 to come up with a new angle. 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:15.600 It was really having so many threads to follow and 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:19.280 so many good stories to tell. I couldn't I want 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.640 any one of these might have turned into a book, 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.760 but it was more fun doing a lot of them, 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.000 doing five and then turning them into short stories. And 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.880 short stories are pretty cool because you can get into 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:34.360 the topic and really treat it nicely and then move 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.400 on to the next one. And I think a lot 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:41.800 of people are enjoy short stories because in our maybe 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:45.440 our ADHD world today, people are less inclined to sit 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.440 down with a really big book. So I'm going to 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:48.800 try it out and see how it works. But I 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.200 really like the idea of collections of short stories. 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:53.920 Well, you know, I even enjoyed when I found a 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.760 copy of your for Pete's Sake, the collection of columns 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.520 that you did in the Inquirer. Well, thank you. You know, 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.680 I thought that that was and form my attention span. 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:08.200 It was perfect. Yeah, one page, But as you're saying, though, 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:13.800 people have a lot better chance at holding on to 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:19.440 each story. And then this this bonus tour in here 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:24.920 in the magical History Tour ten places to discover Cincinnati history. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.040 And uh, let me just uh so the idea there 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.640 are some that are pretty well known. 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.600 Yeah, but they're not We're not talking about the Museum Center, 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.520 which is fantastic, or the Taft Museum or the or 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.840 the Art Museum or things like that, which are all fantastic. 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.439 That goes without saying you've got the smaller museums. 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:45.880 Yeah, I'm looking at places that people don't know about 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.439 that that that are right there in your neighborhood. Things 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.720 you can discover that will really help you understand our history. 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.119 I'll tell you what one of the It wasn't in Cincinnati. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.000 It was on a trip that I and christ Christ 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:03.040 and me took to north in Ohio and we passed 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.440 through the town of Fremont, Ohio. Oh yeah, which was 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:10.320 the home of Rutherford B. Hayes about that and the 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:17.400 Rutherford B. Hayes Home that he built. Just walking through 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.240 that was such a great trip back in time and 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.520 just I mean it's a little a little place outstanding. 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.280 There's so many things that you can find and find 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.160 out about in these kind of out of the way. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:36.880 Now this is a presidential historical site there, but and 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:38.719 there's a museum along with it. We didn't even go 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.440 to the museum. We just went through the home and 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:41.359 it was worth. 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:44.320 Oh yeah, I love those those historical Society homes are 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.520 often like that too, where they have furnished it like 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:49.840 a time capsule. Oh yeah. So you walk in and 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.480 you're seeing how people lived. You're seeing the furniture there. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.720 You're back in the eighteen eighties and you see these 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.840 little chairs and you go, wow, they were small people 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:02.040 and they were so Another one, as long as you're 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.880 on the topic of presidents, is William Henry Harrison's tom 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.719 over on Mountain Nebo near North Bend, Okay. And it's 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.199 up on a hilltop. It's a spectacular tomb. William Henry 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.960 Harrison was quite a fantastic story. I mean, the guy was. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.440 He fought with Matt Anthony Wayne at Fallen Timbers. He 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.720 was there for the Treaty of Greenville that settled the 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:27.560 Indian Confederation for good. And then he eventually became president. 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.760 And he was the shortest president in office because he 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:35.640 fell ill with probably pneumonia, and died almost immediately after 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.680 taking office after he was inaugurated. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.360 But he lived this rich and exciting life. 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.040 And then while I'm looking at that, I find out 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.440 right across the road is this little cemetery. It's called 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:51.320 Congress Green Cemetery, Okay. And this has a really interesting story. 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:57.920 So William Henry Harrison's son, John Scott Harrison, as an 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.160 elderly man, a grandfather, he died suddenly in his sleep, 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.840 and the very night he was buried by his family, 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:06.040 grave robbers. 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.160 Came and took his body. 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:11.840 Wow, and they hired the family hired the Pinkerton detectives 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.360 from Chicago to find out where this body was. And 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.800 it was a fascinating sort of mystery and detective story 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.520 of how they tracked it down and where they found 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.240 it and why they found it and what was going on. 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:31.160 Apparently Cincinnati in those days was like the hub of 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:35.760 body snatching for the whole Midwest. They were shipping bodies 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.080 all over Columbus. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:39.040 Well, they gave him. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.839 They were shipping him to medical schools who would pay 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.480 for these fresh bodies so they could teach students to 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.800 dissect them so they could learn anatomy. And they had 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:54.839 absolutely no ethics around it. They would just take anybody. 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.320 They mainly preyed on the cemeteries that were devoted to 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:02.720 paupers and to the black population, in other words, people 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.280 they thought no one would care about. Exactly. Only this 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:10.800 time they made a mistake. Was the president's son and 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:15.720 the father see William Henry Harrison was also the grandfather 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:19.160 of another future president, Benjamin Harrison, two of them in 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.240 the same family. So this was not only the president's son, 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.160 he was the father of the future president. And they 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.720 found him downtown in Cincinnati. There were reports in the 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.880 newspaper that some strange goings on in the early morning 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:38.320 hours that night where some package that looked a lot 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:42.160 like a body was dropped off at the Ohio Medical College, 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:46.520 which was right downtown near the Convention Center where it 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.680 is today. No kid, Yeah, it would have been right 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:56.120 near the Cincinnatian Hotel. And so they've got the Pinkertons 0:12:56.160 --> 0:13:01.240 and one of Harrison's sons, whose father's body is now missing. 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.360 The irony of this is they went to another funeral 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.720 the day after they buried their father, and they went 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:10.920 to just pay respects at his grave and they saw 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:11.880 it had been plundered. 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.720 It was torn. Oh man, and can you imagine how 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:19.240 that No, I can't even fathom. I mean, you're grieving already, sure, 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:23.440 and it's like it's like he just died again. Yeah, yeah, uh, 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.439 you know, Cincinnati may have been the hub in the Midwest, 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:32.119 but it happened famously with Abraham Lincoln's tomb in Springfield, Illinois, 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:39.080 where his body was was snatched. Unbelievable. Wow. And I 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.920 don't know if they were looking for a medical college 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:46.520 cadaver in that particular case. I think the the sentiment 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.320 was so strong about Lincoln at the time and what 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:53.920 he had presided over. You know, I'm not sure if 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:58.600 they were Southern Confederate sympathizers or if they revered him, 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:00.880 and that we are. 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.199 They have the same problem with his assassins, the people 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.560 that were involved in the conspiracy. So when they had 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:12.800 them all hanged, they concealed from the public for many 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:17.959 years what happened to those bodies, and so people couldn't 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.280 go and dig them up and find out what. So, 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.280 you know, the other thing that I ran across while 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.680 I was doing this is I've always wondered about when 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.440 you go to a cemetery and see those mausoleums that 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.360 looked like little banks, Yeah. 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.160 And with bars on the windows. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:35.080 And that's why they were building mausoleums, is because there 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.320 was so much body snatching going on, really, so to 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:42.520 protect your loved one and so to just complete the circle, 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:48.440 the body of James Scott Harrison was finally recovered hanging 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:52.360 on a rope in a dark shaft at the Ohio 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:56.120 Medical College, where you can just imagine the smells and 0:14:56.160 --> 0:15:02.280 the sites they went through to find this whether. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:03.840 we're on the nightcap and we don't want to give 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:04.680 people nightmares. 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:05.000 No. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:09.080 Well, but so they find the body and they eventually 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.600 reburied it and you can now find it in the 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:16.480 tomb with William Henry Harrison at the monument where it 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:17.440 is behind bars. 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.880 Well, you know, they say that the Barack Obama Presidential 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.920 Library looks a lot like a mausoleum. I wonder how 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:28.320 many bodies are buried there. Yeah, well that's a good one. Well, 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.920 we'll have to figure it out once they finally spend 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:35.960 a lot of money and and get it built. So 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:41.000 when you do your research for these books, Yeah, where 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:45.880 does it initially begin? I mean, after your after your vision, 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.320 after your imagination for what you want the book to 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.480 be and what you're going to go after. Yeah, how 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:54.960 how do you find this stuff? Well? 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.760 A lot of times people who are readers will send 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:02.280 me emails or they'll me up or send me a letter. 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.840 They maybe enjoyed one of my other books and said, but, 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.120 by the way, did you know such and such happened 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.880 in my neighborhood. Or I've also been out speaking to 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.040 a lot of historical societies and various groups. So I 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.400 do book signings maybe once a week through the winter, 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:20.360 two times a week. 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:20.760 Whatever. 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:25.560 Whoever you know needs a speaker and they want to 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.640 buy some books, and I'll go out and sign them 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.720 for them. And so a lot of times people in 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.520 the audience will raise a hand and say, hey, by 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.200 the way, I want to tell you about this story 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.800 that you'd love, and I just I pick up a 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:36.600 lot of them that way. 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.520 Talking to Peter Bronson on the Nightcap brand new book 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:45.640 Magical History Tour is out. Now, how do you discern 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:50.200 between when you're doing the research on these these history books, 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.480 how do you discern between what is an old wives 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:59.880 tale or what is an offhand kind of just supposition 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.600 and what is the truth? I mean, how do you 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:07.159 drill down and get that and decipher Well, it's partly 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:08.240 my newspaper training. 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:13.480 So being a newspaper editor and columnist for my entire career, 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:19.400 I learned how to source things and verify things, and 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.960 to do the research and to find primary sources, which 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:23.760 is well. 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:28.240 That's one thing if you're researching a current event, news story, 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.719 uh huh. But when you're going back two hundred years, 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:36.920 two hundred and fifty years, I would imagine it's painstaking 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:41.200 to get either confirmation or to cast something aside. 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:46.760 Yeah, the Cincinnati Museum Centers archives in their historical division 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:50.040 down there in the lower level is fantastic as a 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.399 resource because they have all chem they're pretty trustworthy. Oh, fantastic, 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.960 because you can find the primary sources. So the other 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.720 thing I use a lot is newspapers dot Com, where 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.160 I can go back into history and find the actual 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:08.159 news stories that were published after John Scott Harrison's body 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:11.480 went missing. So this was quite a sensation in the 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:15.280 Cincinnati press, as you could imagine, And so you can 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.360 look up the newspapers. Now, the accounts in the newspapers, 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.160 even as they do today, don't always agree on the facts, 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.280 but you can pretty much suss it out and piece 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.600 them together and figure out what happened. And then of course, 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.560 just going online, this is the golden age of research. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.240 You can find things with a few strokes on a 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.080 keyboard that used to take weeks at a newspaper. So 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.840 you just plug it in, start doing some random searches 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:46.000 and you'll be Surprisedgraves dot com, we'll find you cemeteries 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:46.760 and you'll find you a. 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:48.560 Lot of information about some of the people that are 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.760 buried wellus. My friend Dave Hatter says an AI is 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.960 being popping up more and more in these searches. Yes, 0:18:55.880 --> 0:19:01.560 just remember that AI sometimes hallucinates. In fact, I like 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.080 that that's occurring more and more, so be you got 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:04.680 to be careful. 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.040 Yes, And I can honestly say, there's a place to 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.480 check when you upload your book to Amazon, there's a 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:12.560 box to check and it says the question is have 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.000 you used AI in the production and research for this book? 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:20.040 And I can honestly say no, I do not use AI. Yeah, 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.560 I don't trust it. I just think it's a lazy 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:26.399 writer's way around doing things. You know, it's pretty easy 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.640 to ask a question and have a whole paper presented 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:34.000 to you on some topic by AI, right, And I 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.680 just don't. I don't feel right about that. I'd rather 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:40.919 do it myself. There are so many things, little side 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.679 roads that branch off from the main one you're taking 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.480 on these topics and you stop and you go, man, 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.320 that looks interesting. So you take a tour down that 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:51.400 road and it's amazing. 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.800 What's fun? Well, you know what's amazing about what you 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.359 just said. I related to me in that doing this show, 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:03.080 doing the interviews, Yeah, is that it's easy. It's all 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.919 the time I take, curating guests and figuring out who 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.040 I want to have in scheduling and booking and trying 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:13.919 to track people down. Yeah, that's the work. And you 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.400 like doing the work. I do. I love the research. 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:17.919 It's the next best thing to writing. 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.760 And it's so exciting because it's sort of like a 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:26.159 treasure hunt combined with detective work. And sometimes you'll be 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.639 working on a story. One of these stories is about 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:32.320 Cincinnati's first serial killer. And I was following this story 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:35.560 and I'm reading the newspaper's accounts and I'm of the time, 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.720 and I said, wonder about that prosecutor. He sounds interesting. 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.760 So I started researching him. Lo and behold, I find 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.720 out this guy, this prosecutor who prosecuted the first serial 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:49.639 killer in Cincinnati, was also a guy who flew in 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:52.320 the Hat and the Ring Squadron in World War One, 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:56.280 which was Jimmy Doolittle squad Wow, pardon me, Eddie Rickenbacker, 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.639 not Jimmy Doolittle. Doo little was in the squadron, but 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.200 it was Eddie Rickenbacker, Ace from Ohio. 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:03.359 And you can't make this stuff up. 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.199 And then you find out not only that after the 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:09.040 war he went over to Indianapolis five hundred where he 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:13.200 drove and worked in the pit crew with Rickenbacher. That's crazy, 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.040 and this guy became the prosecutor. 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:17.920 Hold it there. We got another half hour to fill 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.359 Peter Bronson with us for the whole hour. The book 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:24.320 Magical History Tour. More on that, and we'll play a 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:29.240 little random word association when we come back. Answered the 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:32.800 second part of this first hour on this night cap 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:36.720 from Monday night, November seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Peter Bronson 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:40.640 is our guest. The book is Magical History Tour, Murder Mystery, 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:45.760 Buried History, five short stories about real Cincinnati history that 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:49.240 I just thumbled through, had no knowledge of it all. 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:53.639 And Peter highlights this with great research. We were talking 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:59.080 about all the in depth study and research and sifting 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:02.480 through things to find out what's really real and what's not. 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:08.199 And three Snake in the garden. Yes, what's snake in 0:22:08.240 --> 0:22:10.040 the garden? That was a fun one. 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:14.879 So if you drive out near Harrison, Ohio, there's a 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:19.199 little place called Whitewater Shaker Village and it's abandoned, but 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.679 it is probably one of the best preserved Shaker villages 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:26.879 in the USA. And if you stop at the cemetery 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:30.480 down the road, which is not very well populated because 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:32.320 the Shakers were celibate. 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:35.280 Yeah, which probably led to the fact that they don't 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:36.800 exist anymore exactly. 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:40.240 So they had this big cemetery, it's like two or 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:43.240 three acres, but there's only about a dozen graves or 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:45.880 headstones in it. And you're going, well, they didn't think 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:49.639 that very well through. But what it says in the 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:52.480 middle of the cemetery is a big monument and it 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:56.720 says the Shakers, the Whitewater Shakers were community of celibate 0:22:56.800 --> 0:23:01.720 Christian Communists. Yeah, and this is from about nineteen fourteen. 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:07.800 So the interesting story here is a bit of a mystery. 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:14.280 Two women, a mother and daughter, both described universally as 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:19.240 strikingly beautiful, were banished from the Shaker village in Whitewater 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:23.040 and were sent to Cincinnati. That was the nearest place 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:25.720 they could go. They had no real skills that could 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.920 be marketable, and it was almost impossible for a woman 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:32.440 in those days to get any work except housekeeping. And 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:36.159 so they came to Cincinnati, and what do you know, 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.080 about a week later, they are both found dead in 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:43.919 a hotel room. And the question is what happened to 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:48.119 these two women, the mother and daughter. It's a really 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:51.360 interesting thread that I follow. I think that it's been 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.880 a mystery for years. It has always been dismissed as 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:58.520 a suicide. But the suicide is a little bit sketchy. 0:23:59.160 --> 0:24:02.640 So the cause of death at first, on the surface 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:09.000 was morphine poisoning. And so where did these ladies get 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:13.040 that and why? And what was going on that made 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:16.680 them take their lives? If they took their lives, it's 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:19.840 a short story three in magical history. Yes, so that 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:24.480 mystery is unraveled and tied up in that story. 0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:29.440 All right, little word association, Peter, Sure, because I appreciate 0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.680 your take on things political and otherwise I'll try and 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:37.040 keep up with you. All right, What comes to mind 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:42.280