Speaker 1: Hello, Howdie was on Welcome to the Nightcap seven hundred
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Speaker 1: for me, not only your Bengals losing, but my Chiefs,
Speaker 1: my Lions. I'm just glad that Vanderbilt had a bye
Speaker 1: week in college football, or Hilsei could have been four
Speaker 1: for four of misery. But there's always next week. Right,
Speaker 1: Week eleven is done and maybe so is Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: for next week's game against the Patriots. Not good news again,
Speaker 1: sorry Bengals fans, but get that out of the way.
Speaker 1: It's just football. What about what's going on every day
Speaker 1: in our country with Democrat socialism not as popular as
Speaker 1: you may think, even with the election of Zorammandani in
Speaker 1: New York and that weird chick in Seattle. But I
Speaker 1: mean that fits Seattle, doesn't it. We'll discuss this and
Speaker 1: more the Epstein Files, the one eighty that President Trump
Speaker 1: has wheeled around just this past week and with the
Speaker 1: realization yet there are enough votes in the House of
Speaker 1: Representatives to release all these Epstein files, and now the
Speaker 1: President says, yes, please do it. I've got nothing to hide,
Speaker 1: which I thought all along. Among those are the topics
Speaker 1: we'll be discussing tonight again, a stellar panel, not the
Speaker 1: least of which the wild Man and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to hear his level of frustration and goo with another
Speaker 1: bad Bengals loss yesterday in Pittsburgh to the Steelers. But
Speaker 1: on the bright side, Peter Bronson will be our first
Speaker 1: guest here in just a few minutes. He's got a
Speaker 1: brand new book out, and Peter's books always do well.
Speaker 1: It's always a great thing for local history buffs. When
Speaker 1: Peter delivers his latest tome, and this one is a
Speaker 1: little bit different, we'll discuss why. And then I like
Speaker 1: to get Peter's opinions, pick his brain, so to speak,
Speaker 1: on matters that we report on all the time at
Speaker 1: current events and news and stuff. So Peter sits in
Speaker 1: with me for the balance of this hour. Also doctor
Speaker 1: Jim Waite. He was a former Northern Kentucky dentist who
Speaker 1: married a woman from Ukraine and I remember talking to
Speaker 1: doctor Wade on this program actually several years ago before
Speaker 1: for the Russian incursion, the latest Russian incursion into that country,
Speaker 1: and him being in Ukraine, and you talked about the
Speaker 1: corruption in the elections in Ukraine and obviously dealing with
Speaker 1: much different circumstances these days. He has been recently. He
Speaker 1: is going back this week to war torn Ukraine and
Speaker 1: we'll get some eyewitness accounts of what he has seen
Speaker 1: and what is going on inside that country with the
Speaker 1: Putin's hordes at their door. We also have Walter Herbst,
Speaker 1: who was another JFK expert on the assassination now some
Speaker 1: sixty three years ago. Pete Shen from the Epstein Justice Project.
Speaker 1: Peter Shen will be joining us as well. I hope
Speaker 1: you stick around for all of it. It's the Nightcap,
Speaker 1: and we will begin with our first guest, the one
Speaker 1: and only Peterson in just minutes here on seven hundred
Speaker 1: WLW only it's Steak and shake, Taste the difference, step
Speaker 1: right this way for Peter Bronson and no, it's it's
Speaker 1: not a reducts of Breakfast with the Beatles from two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight earningthing on the Fox, but the fab
Speaker 1: four appropriate relating to the title of Peter's latest book,
Speaker 1: Peter Bronson in Studio. How you doing, man, very good?
Speaker 1: And you glad to be here? Great to have you?
Speaker 1: Always thank you. This is like content gold for a
Speaker 1: nightcab great great, Well, I love it too. Magical History
Speaker 1: Tour is the name of the book, Murder, Mystery and
Speaker 1: Buried History. I should have brought this out on Halloween. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well maybe. I love the cover with the covered wagon
Speaker 1: and the cattle and the backdrop on the front of
Speaker 1: the book. And there is a bonus inside this book,
Speaker 1: ten places to discover Cincinnati history. And that has been
Speaker 1: your forte and that has been what you've focused on.
Speaker 1: Oh man, I love it. And I tell you what.
Speaker 1: Every time I have you on and you've got a
Speaker 1: new book out, there are people who absolutely respond. They
Speaker 1: hear it, and not because anything that I do or
Speaker 1: this show does, or this show reaches, but because it's
Speaker 1: so compelling when they hear what the book is about
Speaker 1: that they have to dive in, especially if they're they
Speaker 1: consider themselves either a fishinados of Cincinnati local history or
Speaker 1: if they or they don't know much about it, and
Speaker 1: it instantly opens the door for them that you know,
Speaker 1: they might not have knocked on if they had not
Speaker 1: heard of it.
Speaker 2: That's what I love to do, and I love finding
Speaker 2: stories that people don't know about, great stories of local history.
Speaker 2: This place, Cincinnati is so rich in history anyway, But
Speaker 2: things like who burned the Supper Club in nineteen seventy seven?
Speaker 2: Or did you know Cincinnati was attacked by Confederates in
Speaker 2: eighteen sixty two and barely survived. The South nearly took
Speaker 2: a northern city and that would have been the only
Speaker 2: one and they didn't quite do it, and that story
Speaker 2: is great. Or did you know the story of who
Speaker 2: was Matt Anthony Wayne? How did he save the entire Midwest?
Speaker 1: Now, Peter's just referred to three of his other books
Speaker 1: that we've talked about, Yeah, that you may have in
Speaker 1: your possession. So this one, you did it kind of
Speaker 1: a different approach. You wrote short stories for five different
Speaker 1: items of Cincinnati history to take. Where did that concept
Speaker 1: come from? Did you just think, Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 1: do this differently this time, or you know, I've got
Speaker 1: to come up with a new angle.
Speaker 2: It was really having so many threads to follow and
Speaker 2: so many good stories to tell. I couldn't I want
Speaker 2: any one of these might have turned into a book,
Speaker 2: but it was more fun doing a lot of them,
Speaker 2: doing five and then turning them into short stories. And
Speaker 2: short stories are pretty cool because you can get into
Speaker 2: the topic and really treat it nicely and then move
Speaker 2: on to the next one. And I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people are enjoy short stories because in our maybe
Speaker 2: our ADHD world today, people are less inclined to sit
Speaker 2: down with a really big book. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: try it out and see how it works. But I
Speaker 2: really like the idea of collections of short stories.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I even enjoyed when I found a
Speaker 1: copy of your for Pete's Sake, the collection of columns
Speaker 1: that you did in the Inquirer. Well, thank you. You know,
Speaker 1: I thought that that was and form my attention span.
Speaker 1: It was perfect. Yeah, one page, But as you're saying, though,
Speaker 1: people have a lot better chance at holding on to
Speaker 1: each story. And then this this bonus tour in here
Speaker 1: in the magical History Tour ten places to discover Cincinnati history.
Speaker 1: And uh, let me just uh so the idea there
Speaker 1: are some that are pretty well known.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're not We're not talking about the Museum Center,
Speaker 2: which is fantastic, or the Taft Museum or the or
Speaker 2: the Art Museum or things like that, which are all fantastic.
Speaker 1: That goes without saying you've got the smaller museums.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at places that people don't know about
Speaker 2: that that that are right there in your neighborhood. Things
Speaker 2: you can discover that will really help you understand our history.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what one of the It wasn't in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: It was on a trip that I and christ Christ
Speaker 1: and me took to north in Ohio and we passed
Speaker 1: through the town of Fremont, Ohio. Oh yeah, which was
Speaker 1: the home of Rutherford B. Hayes about that and the
Speaker 1: Rutherford B. Hayes Home that he built. Just walking through
Speaker 1: that was such a great trip back in time and
Speaker 1: just I mean it's a little a little place outstanding.
Speaker 1: There's so many things that you can find and find
Speaker 1: out about in these kind of out of the way.
Speaker 1: Now this is a presidential historical site there, but and
Speaker 1: there's a museum along with it. We didn't even go
Speaker 1: to the museum. We just went through the home and
Speaker 1: it was worth.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love those those historical Society homes are
Speaker 2: often like that too, where they have furnished it like
Speaker 2: a time capsule. Oh yeah. So you walk in and
Speaker 2: you're seeing how people lived. You're seeing the furniture there.
Speaker 2: You're back in the eighteen eighties and you see these
Speaker 2: little chairs and you go, wow, they were small people
Speaker 2: and they were so Another one, as long as you're
Speaker 2: on the topic of presidents, is William Henry Harrison's tom
Speaker 2: over on Mountain Nebo near North Bend, Okay. And it's
Speaker 2: up on a hilltop. It's a spectacular tomb. William Henry
Speaker 2: Harrison was quite a fantastic story. I mean, the guy was.
Speaker 2: He fought with Matt Anthony Wayne at Fallen Timbers. He
Speaker 2: was there for the Treaty of Greenville that settled the
Speaker 2: Indian Confederation for good. And then he eventually became president.
Speaker 2: And he was the shortest president in office because he
Speaker 2: fell ill with probably pneumonia, and died almost immediately after
Speaker 2: taking office after he was inaugurated.
Speaker 1: But he lived this rich and exciting life.
Speaker 2: And then while I'm looking at that, I find out
Speaker 2: right across the road is this little cemetery. It's called
Speaker 2: Congress Green Cemetery, Okay. And this has a really interesting story.
Speaker 2: So William Henry Harrison's son, John Scott Harrison, as an
Speaker 2: elderly man, a grandfather, he died suddenly in his sleep,
Speaker 2: and the very night he was buried by his family,
Speaker 2: grave robbers.
Speaker 1: Came and took his body.
Speaker 2: Wow, and they hired the family hired the Pinkerton detectives
Speaker 2: from Chicago to find out where this body was. And
Speaker 2: it was a fascinating sort of mystery and detective story
Speaker 2: of how they tracked it down and where they found
Speaker 2: it and why they found it and what was going on.
Speaker 2: Apparently Cincinnati in those days was like the hub of
Speaker 2: body snatching for the whole Midwest. They were shipping bodies
Speaker 2: all over Columbus.
Speaker 1: Well, they gave him.
Speaker 2: They were shipping him to medical schools who would pay
Speaker 2: for these fresh bodies so they could teach students to
Speaker 2: dissect them so they could learn anatomy. And they had
Speaker 2: absolutely no ethics around it. They would just take anybody.
Speaker 2: They mainly preyed on the cemeteries that were devoted to
Speaker 2: paupers and to the black population, in other words, people
Speaker 2: they thought no one would care about. Exactly. Only this
Speaker 2: time they made a mistake. Was the president's son and
Speaker 2: the father see William Henry Harrison was also the grandfather
Speaker 2: of another future president, Benjamin Harrison, two of them in
Speaker 2: the same family. So this was not only the president's son,
Speaker 2: he was the father of the future president. And they
Speaker 2: found him downtown in Cincinnati. There were reports in the
Speaker 2: newspaper that some strange goings on in the early morning
Speaker 2: hours that night where some package that looked a lot
Speaker 2: like a body was dropped off at the Ohio Medical College,
Speaker 2: which was right downtown near the Convention Center where it
Speaker 2: is today. No kid, Yeah, it would have been right
Speaker 2: near the Cincinnatian Hotel. And so they've got the Pinkertons
Speaker 2: and one of Harrison's sons, whose father's body is now missing.
Speaker 2: The irony of this is they went to another funeral
Speaker 2: the day after they buried their father, and they went
Speaker 2: to just pay respects at his grave and they saw
Speaker 2: it had been plundered.
Speaker 1: It was torn. Oh man, and can you imagine how
Speaker 1: that No, I can't even fathom. I mean, you're grieving already, sure,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's like he just died again. Yeah, yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Cincinnati may have been the hub in the Midwest,
Speaker 1: but it happened famously with Abraham Lincoln's tomb in Springfield, Illinois,
Speaker 1: where his body was was snatched. Unbelievable. Wow. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if they were looking for a medical college
Speaker 1: cadaver in that particular case. I think the the sentiment
Speaker 1: was so strong about Lincoln at the time and what
Speaker 1: he had presided over. You know, I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: they were Southern Confederate sympathizers or if they revered him,
Speaker 1: and that we are.
Speaker 2: They have the same problem with his assassins, the people
Speaker 2: that were involved in the conspiracy. So when they had
Speaker 2: them all hanged, they concealed from the public for many
Speaker 2: years what happened to those bodies, and so people couldn't
Speaker 2: go and dig them up and find out what. So,
Speaker 2: you know, the other thing that I ran across while
Speaker 2: I was doing this is I've always wondered about when
Speaker 2: you go to a cemetery and see those mausoleums that
Speaker 2: looked like little banks, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And with bars on the windows.
Speaker 2: And that's why they were building mausoleums, is because there
Speaker 2: was so much body snatching going on, really, so to
Speaker 2: protect your loved one and so to just complete the circle,
Speaker 2: the body of James Scott Harrison was finally recovered hanging
Speaker 2: on a rope in a dark shaft at the Ohio
Speaker 2: Medical College, where you can just imagine the smells and
Speaker 2: the sites they went through to find this whether. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're on the nightcap and we don't want to give
Speaker 2: people nightmares.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Well, but so they find the body and they eventually
Speaker 2: reburied it and you can now find it in the
Speaker 2: tomb with William Henry Harrison at the monument where it
Speaker 2: is behind bars.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, they say that the Barack Obama Presidential
Speaker 1: Library looks a lot like a mausoleum. I wonder how
Speaker 1: many bodies are buried there. Yeah, well that's a good one. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll have to figure it out once they finally spend
Speaker 1: a lot of money and and get it built. So
Speaker 1: when you do your research for these books, Yeah, where
Speaker 1: does it initially begin? I mean, after your after your vision,
Speaker 1: after your imagination for what you want the book to
Speaker 1: be and what you're going to go after. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: how do you find this stuff? Well?
Speaker 2: A lot of times people who are readers will send
Speaker 2: me emails or they'll me up or send me a letter.
Speaker 2: They maybe enjoyed one of my other books and said, but,
Speaker 2: by the way, did you know such and such happened
Speaker 2: in my neighborhood. Or I've also been out speaking to
Speaker 2: a lot of historical societies and various groups. So I
Speaker 2: do book signings maybe once a week through the winter,
Speaker 2: two times a week.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 2: Whoever you know needs a speaker and they want to
Speaker 2: buy some books, and I'll go out and sign them
Speaker 2: for them. And so a lot of times people in
Speaker 2: the audience will raise a hand and say, hey, by
Speaker 2: the way, I want to tell you about this story
Speaker 2: that you'd love, and I just I pick up a
Speaker 2: lot of them that way.
Speaker 1: Talking to Peter Bronson on the Nightcap brand new book
Speaker 1: Magical History Tour is out. Now, how do you discern
Speaker 1: between when you're doing the research on these these history books,
Speaker 1: how do you discern between what is an old wives
Speaker 1: tale or what is an offhand kind of just supposition
Speaker 1: and what is the truth? I mean, how do you
Speaker 1: drill down and get that and decipher Well, it's partly
Speaker 1: my newspaper training.
Speaker 2: So being a newspaper editor and columnist for my entire career,
Speaker 2: I learned how to source things and verify things, and
Speaker 2: to do the research and to find primary sources, which
Speaker 2: is well.
Speaker 1: That's one thing if you're researching a current event, news story,
Speaker 1: uh huh. But when you're going back two hundred years,
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty years, I would imagine it's painstaking
Speaker 1: to get either confirmation or to cast something aside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Cincinnati Museum Centers archives in their historical division
Speaker 2: down there in the lower level is fantastic as a
Speaker 2: resource because they have all chem they're pretty trustworthy. Oh, fantastic,
Speaker 2: because you can find the primary sources. So the other
Speaker 2: thing I use a lot is newspapers dot Com, where
Speaker 2: I can go back into history and find the actual
Speaker 2: news stories that were published after John Scott Harrison's body
Speaker 2: went missing. So this was quite a sensation in the
Speaker 2: Cincinnati press, as you could imagine, And so you can
Speaker 2: look up the newspapers. Now, the accounts in the newspapers,
Speaker 2: even as they do today, don't always agree on the facts,
Speaker 2: but you can pretty much suss it out and piece
Speaker 2: them together and figure out what happened. And then of course,
Speaker 2: just going online, this is the golden age of research.
Speaker 2: You can find things with a few strokes on a
Speaker 2: keyboard that used to take weeks at a newspaper. So
Speaker 2: you just plug it in, start doing some random searches
Speaker 2: and you'll be Surprisedgraves dot com, we'll find you cemeteries
Speaker 2: and you'll find you a.
Speaker 1: Lot of information about some of the people that are
Speaker 1: buried wellus. My friend Dave Hatter says an AI is
Speaker 1: being popping up more and more in these searches. Yes,
Speaker 1: just remember that AI sometimes hallucinates. In fact, I like
Speaker 1: that that's occurring more and more, so be you got
Speaker 1: to be careful.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I can honestly say, there's a place to
Speaker 2: check when you upload your book to Amazon, there's a
Speaker 2: box to check and it says the question is have
Speaker 2: you used AI in the production and research for this book?
Speaker 2: And I can honestly say no, I do not use AI. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't trust it. I just think it's a lazy
Speaker 2: writer's way around doing things. You know, it's pretty easy
Speaker 2: to ask a question and have a whole paper presented
Speaker 2: to you on some topic by AI, right, And I
Speaker 2: just don't. I don't feel right about that. I'd rather
Speaker 2: do it myself. There are so many things, little side
Speaker 2: roads that branch off from the main one you're taking
Speaker 2: on these topics and you stop and you go, man,
Speaker 2: that looks interesting. So you take a tour down that
Speaker 2: road and it's amazing.
Speaker 1: What's fun? Well, you know what's amazing about what you
Speaker 1: just said. I related to me in that doing this show,
Speaker 1: doing the interviews, Yeah, is that it's easy. It's all
Speaker 1: the time I take, curating guests and figuring out who
Speaker 1: I want to have in scheduling and booking and trying
Speaker 1: to track people down. Yeah, that's the work. And you
Speaker 1: like doing the work. I do. I love the research.
Speaker 1: It's the next best thing to writing.
Speaker 2: And it's so exciting because it's sort of like a
Speaker 2: treasure hunt combined with detective work. And sometimes you'll be
Speaker 2: working on a story. One of these stories is about
Speaker 2: Cincinnati's first serial killer. And I was following this story
Speaker 2: and I'm reading the newspaper's accounts and I'm of the time,
Speaker 2: and I said, wonder about that prosecutor. He sounds interesting.
Speaker 2: So I started researching him. Lo and behold, I find
Speaker 2: out this guy, this prosecutor who prosecuted the first serial
Speaker 2: killer in Cincinnati, was also a guy who flew in
Speaker 2: the Hat and the Ring Squadron in World War One,
Speaker 2: which was Jimmy Doolittle squad Wow, pardon me, Eddie Rickenbacker,
Speaker 2: not Jimmy Doolittle. Doo little was in the squadron, but
Speaker 2: it was Eddie Rickenbacker, Ace from Ohio.
Speaker 1: And you can't make this stuff up.
Speaker 2: And then you find out not only that after the
Speaker 2: war he went over to Indianapolis five hundred where he
Speaker 2: drove and worked in the pit crew with Rickenbacher. That's crazy,
Speaker 2: and this guy became the prosecutor.
Speaker 1: Hold it there. We got another half hour to fill
Speaker 1: Peter Bronson with us for the whole hour. The book
Speaker 1: Magical History Tour. More on that, and we'll play a
Speaker 1: little random word association when we come back. Answered the
Speaker 1: second part of this first hour on this night cap
Speaker 1: from Monday night, November seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Peter Bronson
Speaker 1: is our guest. The book is Magical History Tour, Murder Mystery,
Speaker 1: Buried History, five short stories about real Cincinnati history that
Speaker 1: I just thumbled through, had no knowledge of it all.
Speaker 1: And Peter highlights this with great research. We were talking
Speaker 1: about all the in depth study and research and sifting
Speaker 1: through things to find out what's really real and what's not.
Speaker 1: And three Snake in the garden. Yes, what's snake in
Speaker 1: the garden? That was a fun one.
Speaker 2: So if you drive out near Harrison, Ohio, there's a
Speaker 2: little place called Whitewater Shaker Village and it's abandoned, but
Speaker 2: it is probably one of the best preserved Shaker villages
Speaker 2: in the USA. And if you stop at the cemetery
Speaker 2: down the road, which is not very well populated because
Speaker 2: the Shakers were celibate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which probably led to the fact that they don't
Speaker 1: exist anymore exactly.
Speaker 2: So they had this big cemetery, it's like two or
Speaker 2: three acres, but there's only about a dozen graves or
Speaker 2: headstones in it. And you're going, well, they didn't think
Speaker 2: that very well through. But what it says in the
Speaker 2: middle of the cemetery is a big monument and it
Speaker 2: says the Shakers, the Whitewater Shakers were community of celibate
Speaker 2: Christian Communists. Yeah, and this is from about nineteen fourteen.
Speaker 2: So the interesting story here is a bit of a mystery.
Speaker 2: Two women, a mother and daughter, both described universally as
Speaker 2: strikingly beautiful, were banished from the Shaker village in Whitewater
Speaker 2: and were sent to Cincinnati. That was the nearest place
Speaker 2: they could go. They had no real skills that could
Speaker 2: be marketable, and it was almost impossible for a woman
Speaker 2: in those days to get any work except housekeeping. And
Speaker 2: so they came to Cincinnati, and what do you know,
Speaker 2: about a week later, they are both found dead in
Speaker 2: a hotel room. And the question is what happened to
Speaker 2: these two women, the mother and daughter. It's a really
Speaker 2: interesting thread that I follow. I think that it's been
Speaker 2: a mystery for years. It has always been dismissed as
Speaker 2: a suicide. But the suicide is a little bit sketchy.
Speaker 2: So the cause of death at first, on the surface
Speaker 2: was morphine poisoning. And so where did these ladies get
Speaker 2: that and why? And what was going on that made
Speaker 2: them take their lives? If they took their lives, it's
Speaker 2: a short story three in magical history. Yes, so that
Speaker 2: mystery is unraveled and tied up in that story.
Speaker 1: All right, little word association, Peter, Sure, because I appreciate
Speaker 1: your take on things political and otherwise I'll try and
Speaker 1: keep up with you. All right, What comes to mind
Speaker 1: when you hear the term democrats socialist? Well, that's really
Speaker 1: just kind of communism light.
Speaker 2: It's just like progressive when people got tired of being
Speaker 2: called liberals, and they said, we're going to be progressives now.
Speaker 2: Now they don't like being called progressives anymore because that
Speaker 2: they've stained that and now democrats socialism, they're going to
Speaker 2: wear that out in a hurry. In New York, look
Speaker 2: at it's socialism on the slow train.
Speaker 1: It's communism in the slow lane. I heard a news
Speaker 1: report earlier that in the city of New York, the
Speaker 1: Democrat Socialist charter list eleven thousand people out of eight million. Wow,
Speaker 1: a million people voted for Zooran Mandani as a self
Speaker 1: confessed Democrat socialist. But this happens all the time with communism. Yes,
Speaker 1: and in the country of communist China, only ten percent
Speaker 1: of the populace are card carrying Communist party member.
Speaker 2: Really, so you've been doing your research and well, Democrat socialists.
Speaker 1: The woman in Seattle, Katie Wilson, who just won the
Speaker 1: mayoral election there Democrat socialists proves on her parents' money,
Speaker 1: who lives on her parents.
Speaker 2: It's easier to be a socialist when you have Zoran
Speaker 2: never had a job up until like a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 1: I know, it isn't It just so appalling? And there
Speaker 1: were eighty thousand Democrats socialists in the whole country, wow,
Speaker 1: eleven thousand. But it always starts with a very radical,
Speaker 1: small fringe group of people who somehow hoodwinker convince a
Speaker 1: majority that their way is right, even though once they
Speaker 1: find out what they're really about, things turn out terribly
Speaker 1: for everyone.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, free stuff, but free stuff, free buses, free childcare,
Speaker 2: free everything, rent control. I mean, this guy, he's promising
Speaker 2: all kinds of things he can't deliver. It's I mean,
Speaker 2: I think it goes really back to Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it goes back even farther. And let
Speaker 1: me explain this, Peter. I think it goes back to
Speaker 1: the fact that capitalism isn't a failed system. It's the
Speaker 1: fact that it's been perverted. Free market capitalism been perverted
Speaker 1: by socialism. For the last hundred years in this country.
Speaker 1: It's been a slow grind. And the more we saw
Speaker 1: of a welfare state, the more we saw of even
Speaker 1: medicare something like that social security. People look to government
Speaker 1: for answers that only God can provide, and only they
Speaker 1: themselves can provide or should provide under the guise of
Speaker 1: the system itself. The Republic in other words, this is
Speaker 1: not a failure of capitalism. Is this is an extension
Speaker 1: of the socialism that has been slowly grinding through our
Speaker 1: culture and society for a century. Well, and do you
Speaker 1: think that the more the more government supposedly gives or
Speaker 1: provides the answers, the more that they're expected to do so,
Speaker 1: even though they fail miserably at providing the answers every
Speaker 1: time and in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: It seems to me if you look at your history too,
Speaker 2: the socialist approach is to destroy a given system so
Speaker 2: that it can then be taken over by the government. Yeah, so, really,
Speaker 2: you take a look at Obamacare, what it really was,
Speaker 2: it's it's a bridge to nationalized health care. Because what
Speaker 2: you're going to do is you're going to destroy the
Speaker 2: private system that provides.
Speaker 1: The best which is exactly what.
Speaker 2: Exactly and so if you can just completely throw wrenches
Speaker 2: in the in the cogs of that and destroy it
Speaker 2: till people are so fed up with it, and then
Speaker 2: what do they do. They turn around and blame that
Speaker 2: It's it's the private market. It's the free, free enterprise
Speaker 2: system that failed, though it wasn't. It was the socialized
Speaker 2: effort to reform it that failed, and now people you
Speaker 2: wait and see, maybe not while we're living, but maybe
Speaker 2: later on people are going to end up turning to
Speaker 2: a single pair government issued healthcare like the horrible systems
Speaker 2: in Canada in the UK.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'll liken it. This is my next one,
Speaker 1: Peter digital ID that the UN is calling for. That
Speaker 1: starmer in Great Britain just last week said without the
Speaker 1: digital without signing up for the digital ID, oh that's fine,
Speaker 1: you won't be able to work. Oh great, So that's
Speaker 1: happening in Great Britain.
Speaker 2: That's a lot like the social credits and the big
Speaker 2: Brother stuff that's going on all over the world and
Speaker 2: was actually really gaining on us until the latest presidential election.
Speaker 2: I mean, if we had seen Harris as president, all
Speaker 2: this stuff would be much worse. It would be a
Speaker 2: lot like Canada is today, I think. And you know,
Speaker 2: the irony here is that I would be willing to
Speaker 2: just hazard a bet that the same people who are
Speaker 2: calling for digital ID do not.
Speaker 1: Want ID for voting. Yeah. Well, it's like surprising. It's
Speaker 1: like the real idea we're required to have now to
Speaker 1: fly in a plane, commercial airplane. Yeah, real ID. Joe
Speaker 1: Biden's administration purposely flew millions of people with no ID,
Speaker 1: no vetting around the country in commercial jets to spaces
Speaker 1: cities all over the country with no ID, and yet
Speaker 1: American citizens born here, taxpayers have to show their have
Speaker 1: to show their papers exactly.
Speaker 2: And I think the long game there is that you
Speaker 2: want these people without IDs so that they can vote
Speaker 2: in elections and give a permanent majority to the demos.
Speaker 1: The other thing about New York City, you do not
Speaker 1: have to show an ID to vote. Boy, and the
Speaker 1: mail in voting, I mean, it's all part of the
Speaker 1: same thing.
Speaker 2: I guess the Supreme Court decision on that should be
Speaker 2: very interesting because they're going to have a test case
Speaker 2: on mail in voting, which is one of the biggest
Speaker 2: open doors for fraud in our election system certainly. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean a universal idea. I don't like the idea.
Speaker 2: What's next, we get a tattoo.
Speaker 1: The President over the weekend flipped the script turned to
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty degrees on the Epstein files because
Speaker 1: he saw the writing on the wall. It was going
Speaker 1: to pass in the House, regardless of they're trying to
Speaker 1: not get that to pass. And now the President says
Speaker 1: he and he's always said, and I believe he has
Speaker 1: nothing to hide as far as you know.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what the emails that have been released pedophilia
Speaker 2: or human trafficking with Epstein go.
Speaker 1: He kicked Epstein out of mar A Lago for his behavior,
Speaker 1: for being such a SkELL guy. Yeah, way back when.
Speaker 1: What I have heard from people like my Rep. Thomas
Speaker 1: Messy is that the President was reluctant because he didn't
Speaker 1: want some of his donors to be embarrassed. Oh well,
Speaker 1: that's certainly a possibility. And he did say back in July.
Speaker 1: President Trump did say back in July he said a
Speaker 1: lot of people who did nothing wrong are going to
Speaker 1: get dirty because they sent an email to Epstein. So
Speaker 1: I mean there's some logic there. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So in these emails, one of the things that the
Speaker 2: headlines that I've been reading in the Wall Street journals say,
Speaker 2: emails are released and Trump is mentioned a lot.
Speaker 1: Well, what it doesn't tell.
Speaker 2: You is that in these mentions, people are coming to
Speaker 2: Epstein and asking him if he will help them sabotage Trump.
Speaker 1: Yes, by come on out and tell everybody how dirty was.
Speaker 2: And Epstein is replying he didn't do anything wrong. And
Speaker 2: Epstein hated Trump because he'd been thrown out of mar
Speaker 2: A Lago. So if he had something to use on him,
Speaker 2: he would have used it absolutely, And and it's impossible
Speaker 2: to believe after all this time, after two impeachments, all
Speaker 2: these investigations, that Jack Smith witch hunt, all of these things,
Speaker 2: Mueller's witch hunt, that if they had something, they wouldn't
Speaker 2: have used it.
Speaker 1: By now what are they waiting for?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I don't think Trump personally has anything
Speaker 2: to worry about. But yeah, I can see how some donors,
Speaker 2: some fat cats, Bill Gates, a lot of other people
Speaker 2: are mentioned in those Epstein files, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton,
Speaker 2: and Hillary. Yeah, and Ohio's most wealthy resident, Les Wexner,
Speaker 2: is prominently featured in there. I mean, I've read some
Speaker 2: stuff about that that's really knocks your socks off. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Why did he give Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over
Speaker 2: his entire corporate empire?
Speaker 1: What was going on there? Excellent question? All right, Next,
Speaker 1: the president's campaign of war or rumored war against the
Speaker 1: drug cartels.
Speaker 2: What do you think I think that even what we're
Speaker 2: seeing with the protests in Mexico City that are going on,
Speaker 2: that even the people of Mexico are beginning to catch
Speaker 2: on that this that has become a narco state.
Speaker 1: And we were kind of plus go farther south. Venezuela
Speaker 1: is a narco state, there's no question.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean Pablo Escobar ran narco state in
Speaker 2: Central America. I mean, it was unbelievable, it was, and
Speaker 2: we were kind of comfortable with that as long as
Speaker 2: it was enough zip codes away from us and we
Speaker 2: had enough borders between us. But then when the borders
Speaker 2: open up and you see what it's doing to Americans
Speaker 2: and how many have died. I mean, honestly, we're seeing
Speaker 2: unbelievable amounts of deaths and we never read about more.
Speaker 1: People have died of More Americans have died of fentanyl
Speaker 1: poisoning than died in the Vietnam War in World War two, Wow,
Speaker 1: in World War One. Wow. That's shocking, and we don't
Speaker 1: we don't read anything about it. If you discount the
Speaker 1: Civil War in every other war since, more Americans have
Speaker 1: died of fentanyl poisoning than all those wars combined.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, as far as I'm concerned, we know
Speaker 2: as long as we know that these boats are running
Speaker 2: drugs and they're packed with drugs, and it's easy enough
Speaker 2: to find out, and I would hope that our intelligence
Speaker 2: gathering apparatus can determine that and make a finding, and hey,
Speaker 2: you fool around, you find out.
Speaker 1: Well that the one thing that we don't want is
Speaker 1: obviously another Vietnam, right, an undeclared war that Congress doesn't
Speaker 1: you know, give the ok too. And the situation with
Speaker 1: Venezuela is it's like right there, Yeah, it's pretty close.
Speaker 1: And Maduro obviously is a criminal who stole an election.
Speaker 2: And running a narco state, doing his best to sabotage
Speaker 2: our country and our security, propping as many as Americans
Speaker 2: as possi, propping.
Speaker 1: Up terrorist organizations like Trendy a Ragua and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And shipping as many as possible, you know. Speaking of
Speaker 2: that border thing, I was was of the opinion that
Speaker 2: one of the biggest risks of the open border with
Speaker 2: Mexico is that it relieved all the pressure on their
Speaker 2: government to reform and clean that up, because as long
Speaker 2: as people could vote with their feet and just leave
Speaker 2: the country, there was never going to be any revolution
Speaker 2: in Mexico to clean up their government and stop the extortion,
Speaker 2: the bribery, the corruption, the narco terrorism. And now finally
Speaker 2: that we've closed the border, look what we're seeing. We're
Speaker 2: seeing protests in Mexico City. People are gonna they're gonna
Speaker 2: shape things up in Mexico, I think, because they don't
Speaker 2: have anywhere to go now right we cut off their
Speaker 2: relief valve. Yes, steam is building up for the pressure cooker.
Speaker 2: The lid's gonna blow off. Okay, so uh one more
Speaker 2: uh and uh it it relates to affordability, and how
Speaker 2: do we.
Speaker 1: Find that again? What's the answer that so many people
Speaker 1: are turning to the government to make things affordable government
Speaker 1: grocery stores, of fixed rate housing and all the other
Speaker 1: nonsense that Mom Donnie is preaching that will not work
Speaker 1: ultimately but is attracting, especially so many younger voters. What
Speaker 1: can be done to make things more affordable? And is
Speaker 1: it really a self fulfilling prophecy when you see Americans
Speaker 1: credit card debt for example, and the living beyond your means?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I had a pass talking a
Speaker 1: sermon about how it's important for us to live within
Speaker 1: our means. Yeah, So what's Peter Bronson's answer to affordability,
Speaker 1: which is the new word for equity or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, I'm suspicious of that it has
Speaker 2: become coined by the press as a way to justify
Speaker 2: Mandami's election and say that there's this widespread dissatisfaction in
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I don't either.
Speaker 2: I think what you're talking about is New York. If
Speaker 2: you've been to New York, you know it costs you
Speaker 2: like fourteen to fifteen dollars for bottle of coke, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, they have an affordability crisis. We have
Speaker 2: an affordability crisis in housing because we've had millions of
Speaker 2: people displacing the housing for the people that are here
Speaker 2: paying their.
Speaker 1: Taxes, another consequence of the open border exactly.
Speaker 2: And we've had a runaway inflation because the Biden administration
Speaker 2: was just printing money. And so, yes, do we have
Speaker 2: an affordability problem. Yes, I think it's heading in the
Speaker 2: right direction. The other day I saw gas prices down
Speaker 2: to two seventy eight. You know, that's a good thing.
Speaker 2: That's that's where your affordability because fuel oil and by
Speaker 2: the barrel has an effect on everything, food prices, travel, trucking,
Speaker 2: everything is delivered by fuel, and so I think we're
Speaker 2: going to see some real positive out. Scott Best was
Speaker 2: on the rate on one of the talk shows over
Speaker 2: the weekend and talking about how the economy, now that
Speaker 2: we've got the government shut down behind us, the economy
Speaker 2: is going to take off and things are going to
Speaker 2: get a lot better, and I believe that's true. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: people have to be patient. I know it's hard to
Speaker 2: say for those who are really struggling, but really a
Speaker 2: lot of things are looking much.
Speaker 1: We live in such an instant gratification society that will
Speaker 1: they be patient enough whe the first or second quarter
Speaker 1: of next year, that's the question.
Speaker 2: And I think think the media is going to do
Speaker 2: everything they can to make people as impatient as possible
Speaker 2: by by beating this affordability drama, which is their new toy.
Speaker 1: And if it's not that, it's something else. So don't
Speaker 1: pay attention to the media.
Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 1: Walter Herbs with another JFK book coming up in minutes
Speaker 1: into another hour here on seven hundred WLW and joining
Speaker 1: us lusimen for in this half hour is the author
Speaker 1: of Yes, yet another book on the JFK assassination. And
Speaker 1: when I say that, it doesn't mean that I'm bored
Speaker 1: with books on the JFK assassination. It just means there
Speaker 1: is a proliferation of them out to this day, sixty
Speaker 1: three years or sixty two years after that day in
Speaker 1: November that changed the nation and changed the direction of
Speaker 1: geopolitical affairs worldwide, the assassination of a President John F. Kennedy.
Speaker 1: This gentleman has worked extensive This is his third book
Speaker 1: on JFK. He has done just piles and piles of research.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to try and imagine the work
Speaker 1: that has gone into these He's done decades of intensive,
Speaker 1: comprehensive research and covering the truth behind the assassination of
Speaker 1: JFK and related topics like the rise this is interesting,
Speaker 1: the rise of the radical right in the twentieth century. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's aware of what's happening in the twenty
Speaker 1: first century, the attempt to contain communism. And again the
Speaker 1: first was a volume one, Volume two, it did not
Speaker 1: start with JFK, the decades of events that led to
Speaker 1: the assassination of John F. Kennedy Junior. And the latest
Speaker 1: book is Last Resort Beyond Last Resort, the JFK assassination,
Speaker 1: the need to protect wes Berlin, and why a second
Speaker 1: invasion of Cuban never happened. Please welcome Walter Herbst And
Speaker 1: how are you, sir.
Speaker 4: I'm well Gary. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Oh, thanks for being had. As we like to say, now,
Speaker 1: first and foremost, I always have to ask the motivation
Speaker 1: behind wanting to do all this research and wanting to
Speaker 1: write these books on something that there were so many
Speaker 1: Americans who are adults today who weren't alive and maybe
Speaker 1: weren't even living the first time Ronald Reagan was elected
Speaker 1: president in this country. What's the motivation to continue to
Speaker 1: do the research and to shine a light on what
Speaker 1: you believe through your research, really happened and why it happened.
Speaker 1: What's the deal? Sure?
Speaker 4: Okay, Well I was six years old when JFK got killed,
Speaker 4: too young to have an opinion on what happened, right
Speaker 4: or wrong, so accepted the Warren Report. Did that through
Speaker 4: my twenties, scept did the Warren Report until a friend
Speaker 4: who kept pestering me gave me a book called was
Speaker 4: David Lifton's book about the autopsy in the events surrounding it.
Speaker 4: And I read that and it was like it hooked me,
Speaker 4: because if something's wrong, we've been lied to that there
Speaker 4: was a conspiracy, there's too many questions. So from that
Speaker 4: point on, I began researching and as I got to
Speaker 4: most recent in my last book, Last Resort Beyond Last Resort,
Speaker 4: which the title that comes from William Harvey, who was
Speaker 4: in charge of CIA assassinations, and he called assassination last
Speaker 4: resort beyond Last Resort, which I think applies to the
Speaker 4: JFK assassination because where most authors or many authors who
Speaker 4: think there's a conspiracy think it had to do with
Speaker 4: creating an invasion of Cuba or trying to be a
Speaker 4: catalyst for an invasion of Cuba. My research took me
Speaker 4: in a different direction. Not that that's not true, that
Speaker 4: is true, but there was a group that was worried
Speaker 4: about what would happen to Berlin because if we invaded Cuba,
Speaker 4: the Russians would move into Berlin and possibly jeopardized Western Europe.
Speaker 4: And there was a group, as a last resort, beyond
Speaker 4: last resort, in my opinion, killed Kennedy to prevent that
Speaker 4: invade him from happening.
Speaker 1: And these are CIA people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not the CIA as a group, okay, but it's
Speaker 4: a group where it's at the CIA. There are a
Speaker 4: number of individuals centered in in Europe. There was William Harvey,
Speaker 4: who I mentioned previously, who was at one time station
Speaker 4: chief in Berlin. There was James Angleton who became CIA
Speaker 4: counterintelligence chief, who during World War Two was stationed in
Speaker 4: Italy and and and afterwards as well, Frank Whizner in
Speaker 4: various people like and others. But they're also European monarchists
Speaker 4: or fascists. Some of them were who were ex Nazis
Speaker 4: who works with the CIA following World War Two and
Speaker 4: they got together and it's, you know, something that doesn't
Speaker 4: just happen by accident. There's a fellow named Jean Pierre
Speaker 4: Lafitte who has a date book, who's controversial. Date book
Speaker 4: will grant you, but it's it's a narrative of of
Speaker 4: or chronological narrative of the plot to kill JFK. And
Speaker 4: I think it's real, and it follows how these individuals
Speaker 4: eventually wound up directing Oswald and how they killed the
Speaker 4: President of the United States.
Speaker 1: Well, I just talked to doctor David Mantik, who has
Speaker 1: done as you may may be familiar with his work,
Speaker 1: He's written several JFK books and his expertise as a
Speaker 1: doctor of radiation oncologist. In looking at the x rays,
Speaker 1: close looks at the autobiography, x rays show that JFK
Speaker 1: clearly was shot from the front, not as.
Speaker 4: We were told, no doubt in my opinion. So I mean,
Speaker 4: but if you look, even an issue of Life magazine
Speaker 4: came out very shortly after the assassination, and keep in
Speaker 4: mind that the Bruder film was not released until early
Speaker 4: nineteen seventies for the public to see, so no one
Speaker 4: was going to see it, right, And the author of
Speaker 4: that article, Paul Mandel, says in Life Magazine that JFK
Speaker 4: turned around and faced the sniper's nest in the sixth
Speaker 4: floor of the Texas school Book Depository, waving to the crowd,
Speaker 4: and was shot in the throat. And we know that
Speaker 4: never happened, right, right, And he never turned around and
Speaker 4: faced behind him. In fact, if you're there's a brutal
Speaker 4: from shows him getting shot, his arms go up with
Speaker 4: his elbows out. He's never at that point, he's not
Speaker 4: waving anymore.
Speaker 1: And they yeah, it's it's hard to weigh. It's hard
Speaker 1: to wave when your brain dead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's exactly I mean, it kind of. It
Speaker 4: does have its limitations. Yeah, but there's so I mean, look,
Speaker 4: there's so many things about just go to the evidence
Speaker 4: that they found in the Texas school Book Depository that
Speaker 4: they used to uh, basically convict Oswald. They say they
Speaker 4: found two tively three shells on the sixth floor at
Speaker 4: the sniper's nest, when they didn't they found two shells
Speaker 4: and a live round on the floor. And there's a
Speaker 4: photo in the Warrant Commission report that shows clearly two
Speaker 4: shells and a live round. But in addition to that,
Speaker 4: when the police picked up the evidence, they wrote reports
Speaker 4: and they say they handed over to the FBI two
Speaker 4: shells and a live round. The FBI transferred it from
Speaker 4: one to another. Same thing. Jaeger Hoover wrote a report,
Speaker 4: same thing. It was only until the FBI or you know,
Speaker 4: and the Dallas Police found out that one of the
Speaker 4: shots missed the limo hit a curb and a splinter
Speaker 4: from the curb hit a bystander named James Tegg, that
Speaker 4: they realized that they have one shot that that's on
Speaker 4: accounts for him, because initially Hoover had said one shot
Speaker 4: hit hit John Connolly, one shot hit Kennedy, had one
Speaker 4: shot hit hit him in the back, and that no
Speaker 4: longer so they needed the third shelf. All of a sudden,
Speaker 4: Captain Fritz of the Dallas Police Department mysteriously found the
Speaker 4: shell with with with a dented end on it and
Speaker 4: submitted it and that became the mysterious magically the third
Speaker 4: shell to explain how Kennedy was killed.
Speaker 1: From the rear.
Speaker 4: And the only thing is they never considered two assassins.
Speaker 4: Why what what?
Speaker 3: What would have been? What? What?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 4: There's so much confusion about the autopsy. If you're I'm
Speaker 4: sure doctor Mantin talked to me about this. But the
Speaker 4: back wound, there's a back wound in Kennedy's body that
Speaker 4: they could not probe. It was not a through hole. Right,
Speaker 4: they'd used the probe, they used their fingers. It only
Speaker 4: went so far, okay, And then they found out that
Speaker 4: a bullet was found that the Commission Exhibit three ninety nine,
Speaker 4: that pristine bullet, the magic bullet, was found on a stretcher.
Speaker 4: They said, oh, during during the autopsy, or excuse me,
Speaker 4: during the examination in Dallas, they must have done cardiac
Speaker 4: massage and the bullet worked its way out and this
Speaker 4: is why we have this. Well, it turned out that
Speaker 4: couldn't be the case. They didn't know what tracheotomy was
Speaker 4: done to Kennedy's throat and that it obliterated a bullet
Speaker 4: hole that they would have seen otherwise.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So there's so much evidence that the birch. The gun
Speaker 4: was originally identified as a Mauser, not a man lyincher carcan.
Speaker 4: So the police identified it as a Mauser. And this
Speaker 4: is nineteen sixty three Dallas, right, so they know guns.
Speaker 4: One of the police officers used to own a sporting
Speaker 4: goods store. He wrote an affidavit very detailed, explain this
Speaker 4: is a mouth.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: Well, eventually they found out days later that Oswald had
Speaker 4: ordered a man lyncher Forrcanne, so that there was no
Speaker 4: correction thing, that we were mistaken. There was no affidavid
Speaker 4: following up thing. It's a man venture. For conno, they
Speaker 4: just made it an lyinchri Carcana. For some reason, they
Speaker 4: had this man Lee Harveyoswold had to be the killer,
Speaker 4: all right, And I mean it goes on and on.
Speaker 4: There's that the the scene of the Tippet murder.
Speaker 1: You know what, let's let's let's let's let's hold right
Speaker 1: there with the Tippet murder and come back. Walter Herbs
Speaker 1: is our guest. The book is Last Resort, Last Resort
Speaker 1: Beyond Last Resort on the JFK Assassination. I'm fascinated. I
Speaker 1: want to know more, and we will find out more
Speaker 1: in just a few On the nightcap on seven hundred
Speaker 1: w l W once again talking with Walter Herps, the
Speaker 1: author of Last Resort Beyond Last Resort, the JFK assassination
Speaker 1: and uh and it includes the need to protect West
Speaker 1: Berlin and why a second invasion of Cuba never happened.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Walter, is it true to that
Speaker 1: perhaps our involvement in Vietnam would have been greatly reduced
Speaker 1: had John F. Kennedy lived throughout his first term.
Speaker 4: Well, I believe so. I mean, he was on record
Speaker 4: near the end of his first term saying we have
Speaker 4: to get out of Vietnam. And he said to Mike Mansfield,
Speaker 4: congressional leader, that.
Speaker 3: We have to do this.
Speaker 4: We said the mation, damn sure, I'm re elected because
Speaker 4: unless I get reelected and not going to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and no, Kennedy was consistent in that. And this is
Speaker 4: where the Berlin angle comes into it, o getting. I mean,
Speaker 4: this is something that most researchers haven't looked at, but
Speaker 4: throughout Kennedy's presidency, Berlin always came up Bay of Pigs.
Speaker 4: He was, you know, his advisors and said, well, you
Speaker 4: know what, if we go into the Bay of Pigs,
Speaker 4: Russia's might take might take Wes Berlin. Which is why
Speaker 4: Kennedy was so careful not to involve the United States
Speaker 4: directly in the invasion. Same thing with when the Berlin
Speaker 4: wool went up, there were those that thought he should
Speaker 4: we should use nuclear weapons against against against the Russians,
Speaker 4: and of course Kennedy would never do that, and in
Speaker 4: Vietnam as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, he worried.
Speaker 4: About whatever he does there would affect Berlin, and so
Speaker 4: that's why he sent advisors that in never military troops.
Speaker 4: So he knew he had to get out. And you know,
Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty three he signed a nuclear test ban
Speaker 4: treaty with with with with the Russians, and of course
Speaker 4: that was after the missile crisis, and missile crisis seared
Speaker 4: him and Khrushcheff, and so he gave them a famous
Speaker 4: speech at American University in June nineteen sixty three where
Speaker 4: he talked about the United States and the Russians. He said,
Speaker 4: he said, we all want to protect their children's future.
Speaker 4: We show us to jer the air we breathe I mean, basically,
Speaker 4: the Russians are so moved by it that they actually
Speaker 4: broadcast in Russia the entire speech. And so yeah, so
Speaker 4: he was, he was, we would not have gone into Vietnam.
Speaker 4: And that's on of present. Sure he already started. He
Speaker 4: pulled a thousand men out and Robert mcnamaron, Secretary of Defense,
Speaker 4: was meeting with military leaders. They give me a plan
Speaker 4: to get out by nineteen sixty five, and they would
Speaker 4: drag their feet and he would continue to push push
Speaker 4: on these people. So, I mean that's just one of
Speaker 4: the groups that Kennedy faced so much animosity against him
Speaker 4: within the government with an outside government.
Speaker 1: Well, to call Kennedy a Democrat in light of today's
Speaker 1: Democrat Party, it's kind of a misnomer. He was a
Speaker 1: very conservative man, I think, Look.
Speaker 4: I agree with you. The definitions are conservative and the
Speaker 4: liberal seems to be the same. But the definition of
Speaker 4: conservative today and back then was different. Even right wing.
Speaker 4: I think the definition was different. I mean right wing
Speaker 4: transcended party line because there were so many factors that
Speaker 4: went into it. Right women, basically anti communist, maybe a
Speaker 4: pro segregationist, uh, racial segregationists. And so there are people
Speaker 4: on both sides of the aisle that would before that
Speaker 4: certainly and in those days on the left side of
Speaker 4: the aisle give the disiocrats right and throughout the South
Speaker 4: who were basically I mean the editor uh of of
Speaker 4: of the Dallas Borne News, Deally who's who's his father
Speaker 4: and grandfather Dealey Plowms was named after and right after
Speaker 4: Kennedy became president, they went to visit him and him
Speaker 4: and a number of other journalists, and he accused the
Speaker 4: Kennedy but he said, the world is looking at you,
Speaker 4: and then you're riding around on Caroline's tricycle. We need
Speaker 4: we need, we need a white knight on a shining
Speaker 4: horse to come in and take charge of things. I mean,
Speaker 4: they did not respect the president.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm still anti communist? Am I a right winger? Then, Walter, Well,
Speaker 1: if you.
Speaker 4: Are, I am as well communism as from the minute
Speaker 4: it reared its head. And go back to George Keenan
Speaker 4: in the nineteen forties was an American diplomat in Moscow.
Speaker 4: I think it was the left dr and that asked him,
Speaker 4: give me a summary.
Speaker 1: What do we have to be afraid of?
Speaker 4: Because as the war was coming to an end, you know,
Speaker 4: there were those that didn't trust the Russians that had
Speaker 4: turned out rightfully. So we put together a five thousand
Speaker 4: word telegram and he basically said that their objective was
Speaker 4: to destroy democracy, destroyed the United States, and just put
Speaker 4: communism and still it throughout the world.
Speaker 1: And it's that, you know, he was Rice, Well, Walter,
Speaker 1: that's still the plan today.
Speaker 4: Well, very much so. I mean you can see it
Speaker 4: happening in our country now that it doesn't happen like
Speaker 4: in an aggressive onslought. It happens in dribs and drags,
Speaker 4: and you get you just get a little bit, a
Speaker 4: little bit, a little bit mixing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's it's taken a foothold.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And now, there were there were many people in the
Speaker 4: United States at the time Kennedy was president who thought
Speaker 4: he was a communist, that anyone who tried to normalize
Speaker 4: relations with Russia or China but she was willing to do,
Speaker 4: considered a communist. And certainly the missile crisis, who considered
Speaker 4: his greatest moment. Uh, there were those at the time
Speaker 4: who looked at it and said, what are you doing.
Speaker 4: You're you're agreeing to take missiles out of Turkey and
Speaker 4: then the unilateral unilaterally it took them out of Italy
Speaker 4: at the same time. And and you agreed with that
Speaker 4: with the Castro's uh, or you agreed to never invade
Speaker 4: Tube again.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, uh, but that's that it was throughout his entire presidency,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. He was blamed that the
Speaker 4: Bay of Pigs are not allowing air air sure, right,
Speaker 4: So and Vietnam of course that you mentioned.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, well real quickly, my time is now
Speaker 1: limited because I probably stumbled around with too long a question, Walter.
Speaker 1: But the final question is what role did Lee Harvey
Speaker 1: Oswald play?
Speaker 4: You're involved, He didn't shoot anyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Period. The evidence we have, if you take it, we
Speaker 4: have people on the street, sort two people up on
Speaker 4: the sixth.
Speaker 1: Floor, while we know Lee Harvar Oswald.
Speaker 4: Was on the first floor eating lunch. And one of
Speaker 4: the reasons that there was a person who had an
Speaker 4: epileptic fit on the curb in front of the Texas
Speaker 4: school Book Depository.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So when they asked some of these witnesses, when when
Speaker 4: did you see these two people? And they said when
Speaker 4: that when that person was being treated by an ambulance.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 4: And they heard the broadcast over the ambulances radio saying
Speaker 4: that the limo was approaching daily play at such and
Speaker 4: such a street, so they could narrow exactly what time
Speaker 4: it was. Well, they knew at that time there's two
Speaker 4: they're seeing two people upstairs and the Oswald's downstairs.
Speaker 1: Wow. Walter Herps, the author of Last Resort Beyond Last Resort,
Speaker 1: The JFK Assassination the need to protect West Berlin and
Speaker 1: why a second invasion of Cuba never happened. Thank you
Speaker 1: for your time, sir, fascinating.
Speaker 4: Thank you for Gary. Thanks very much for having me.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You bet The Nightcap roll in minutes joining us in
Speaker 1: this half hour. The Nightcap is the associate director of
Speaker 1: the Epstein Justice dot Com. He has an extensive background
Speaker 1: in the US Air Force as a trainer, journalist, adults educator.
Speaker 1: Also served as an executive officer for the Continental Norad
Speaker 1: Region Air Operations Center as a liaison between the Secretary
Speaker 1: of the Air Force and US Senate appropriators. His name
Speaker 1: is Peter Shin. Epstein justice is our topic, and boy,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of movement in the Epstein case
Speaker 1: and the files just in the last day or so.
Speaker 1: Peter Shinn, welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: How are you.
Speaker 5: I'm well, Gary, Jeff thanks for having me, and you're right,
Speaker 5: it's been a busy weekend in terms of action on
Speaker 5: the Hill, certainly related to Jeffrey Epstein and all of
Speaker 5: the files associated with his investigation, the investigations that have
Speaker 5: been done into him.
Speaker 1: Well more importantly, even more importantly, perhaps seeing the writing
Speaker 1: on the Wall. The President has done on one to
Speaker 1: eighty on what he thinks of the importance of the
Speaker 1: release of the Epstein files and has said, yes, they
Speaker 1: should all be released. That happened yesterday.
Speaker 5: It certainly did, and it's a welcome development and one
Speaker 5: which I am delighted to see. And I think all
Speaker 5: right thinking Americans agree with the President that there's no
Speaker 5: reason that these files should be kept under lock and key.
Speaker 5: Let's put this information out into the public domain and
Speaker 5: then maybe we can get some answers to some of
Speaker 5: the questions to which we've been seeking for a long time.
Speaker 5: So from my standpoint, the President did the right thing.
Speaker 5: And maybe it's just a political thing, but I don't
Speaker 5: think so. Look, there's been no evidence that's surface that
Speaker 5: has linked President Trump to any of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes
Speaker 5: other than perhaps some background non of them. And maybe
Speaker 5: that's enough for some to say that President Trump ought
Speaker 5: to be thrown out a whole sale. But from my standpoint,
Speaker 5: the reality is that President Trump is now in a
Speaker 5: position to do what I think he's always wanted to do,
Speaker 5: which is factually put to rest any of the claims
Speaker 5: that he and Jeffrey Epstein were committed any crimes together,
Speaker 5: and I don't think there's any evidence of that, and
Speaker 5: I think President Trump, knowing that himself, finally relented. I mean, look,
Speaker 5: the guy does not like to have his back pushed
Speaker 5: against the wall, and that's what this discharge peedition was doing.
Speaker 5: It was pushing his back against the wall. He doesn't
Speaker 5: like that, so it's not surprising.
Speaker 4: That he reflexively opposed it.
Speaker 5: But upon thinking about it, the President, a wise man
Speaker 5: in many ways, especially politically, realized that this issue was
Speaker 5: not going to be a winner for him and he
Speaker 5: needed to get on board, and he wisely did so.
Speaker 5: So I praised President Trump for his decision and think
Speaker 5: it's only a matter of common sense.
Speaker 1: My congressman happens to be Thomas Massey of the fourth
Speaker 1: District in the House of Representatives, who famously has opposed
Speaker 1: the Big Beautiful bill the President has called out for
Speaker 1: primar ing, and Thomas Massey is the man who pushed
Speaker 1: the petition in Congress to get these released and what
Speaker 1: has led. He's the one leading the charge. A Republican
Speaker 1: and a very conservative guy. And does somebody that I'm
Speaker 1: proud to say I voted for, but often has been
Speaker 1: in release. In the big picture, he votes with Trump
Speaker 1: and the Republicans ninety one percent of the time. But
Speaker 1: then these small issues that are amplified because of Trump's
Speaker 1: designated importance, like the Big Beautiful Bill, he differed with
Speaker 1: the President. And now he's been a part of this
Speaker 1: drive in Congress in the House to release these files,
Speaker 1: and he was successful ultimately.
Speaker 5: Well and because ultimately it's a bottle law more than
Speaker 5: just politics here, just as you know, you know reality,
Speaker 5: the reality is that. And this is why we at
Speaker 5: Epstein Justice dot Com are pushing so hard for transparency
Speaker 5: in this matter, is because at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: it's really not about politics. It's about one ensuring that
Speaker 5: people who have been victimized by this person, who everyone
Speaker 5: agrees is perhaps one of the greatest monsters to ever
Speaker 5: emerge from American life, that the victims of this monster
Speaker 5: actually get some measure of justice. And that's really what
Speaker 5: it boils down to. And even if that justice doesn't
Speaker 5: amount to criminal convictions for others, the least it could
Speaker 5: be is public humiliation and the public exposure of those
Speaker 5: who were involved in Jeffrey Epstein's crimes.
Speaker 6: Maybe it's too late to.
Speaker 5: Actually put people in jail. But it's certainly not too
Speaker 5: late for people to be exposed as the creeks and
Speaker 5: monsters that they were.
Speaker 1: And all of all the conspiracies surrounding Jeffrey Epstein, his
Speaker 1: life and his death, his crimes and the aftermath. What
Speaker 1: do you make of the people who you conspiracize. I'm
Speaker 1: a grammarian. I just made that up. I think conspiracize
Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein didn't die in the in the prison cell,
Speaker 1: that he's actually been whisked away somewhere because he's a
Speaker 1: CIA CI and he's an informant, and you know, all
Speaker 1: of these other things, and the fact that President Trump
Speaker 1: may have been a CIA informant at one time, and
Speaker 1: the dog that hasn't barked? What do you make of
Speaker 1: all the conspiracies? Is the release of these files finally
Speaker 1: going to put an end put to bed these conspiracies
Speaker 1: or is it going to in your opinion, is it
Speaker 1: going to spark even more Peter?
Speaker 6: In my opinion, it will put it to bed.
Speaker 5: Real issue that needs to be put to bed more
Speaker 5: than any other, Gary Jeff is not whether or not
Speaker 5: President Trump or whether any specific person was involved in
Speaker 5: these crimes. The real question is was a foreign government
Speaker 5: intelligence agency behind Jeffrey Epstein and what appears to a
Speaker 5: casual observer to be a sophisticated honeypot operation in which
Speaker 5: he would have underage girls available to people who expressed
Speaker 5: an interest in such.
Speaker 1: A thing and then filmed them.
Speaker 5: Because we all know, or perhaps maybe your listeners don't know,
Speaker 5: but anybody who's familiar with this case knows that all
Speaker 5: of Epstein's many properties were literally wired for sound and video,
Speaker 5: so that he captured literally hundreds of gigabytes of files
Speaker 5: of people interacting with the people that he was trafficking,
Speaker 5: and those files are in the possession of the FBI.
Speaker 5: Hundreds of gigabytes of surveillance from Jeffy that Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 5: himself commissioned on his own properties is in the hands
Speaker 5: of the FBI. That ought to be release, obviously with
Speaker 5: appropriate protections for victims. But there is absolutely no reason
Speaker 5: why the surveillance materials that Jeffrey Epstein himself elected should
Speaker 5: not be put into the public domain.
Speaker 1: It's not a big surprise that the British Royal monarchy,
Speaker 1: for example, has pretty much excommunicated Prince Andrew, who was
Speaker 1: implicated in some video and has been created in the
Speaker 1: past as one of Epstein's biggest clients. You talk about
Speaker 1: people in other countries, in foreign countries being involved, and
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if that somehow because of diplomacy, diplomatic reasons,
Speaker 1: the reason that Trump was perhaps shy about the release
Speaker 1: of all the information because it may hurt us politically
Speaker 1: with people we're trying to make deals with.
Speaker 5: I think that that's probably true. But on the other hand,
Speaker 5: home is that actually more important than finding out whether
Speaker 5: or not our political system has been compromised by a
Speaker 5: foreign intelligence honeypon operation, which is what we could be
Speaker 5: talking about. I don't know if we're talking about that,
Speaker 5: and that's really what it boils down to. We talk
Speaker 5: about conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists, but what that really
Speaker 5: means is honest people with legitimate questions that haven't been
Speaker 5: answered because we don't have the information, because powerful people
Speaker 5: don't want it out there because they don't want to
Speaker 5: be embarrassed.
Speaker 3: It really does.
Speaker 5: It's not much more complicated than that. This is really
Speaker 5: a story about powerful people trying to avoid being embarrassed publicly,
Speaker 5: like Prince Andrew and what has Prince Andrew really suffered? Oh,
Speaker 5: he has to move from one luxurious set of quarters
Speaker 5: to another luxurious set of quarters. He's no longer able
Speaker 5: to be called his Royal highness. Oh geez, what a
Speaker 5: pity for the ex Prince. No, he says, no real
Speaker 5: consequences of his behavior, and that's really what the problem
Speaker 5: is here, Gary jeff I think for the average American
Speaker 5: is that there's been zero accountability for any of Epstein's crimes,
Speaker 5: and now we can't have accountability from Epstein. Maxwell is
Speaker 5: in for summer eason, getting some kind of cushy treatment
Speaker 5: in the least severe federal prison that you.
Speaker 4: Can be sent to.
Speaker 5: And so there's just a sense that, like so much
Speaker 5: else in American life over the past twenty thirty years,
Speaker 5: that there's simply no accountability for people, especially wealthy people, who.
Speaker 6: Appear to be able to do whatever they want and get.
Speaker 1: Away with it. That's all part of the continuing class war, really, Petershin,
Speaker 1: if you will indulge me, hang on for one moment
Speaker 1: or two, we'll take a break and come back and
Speaker 1: wrap this up. Peter Shin as our guest from the
Speaker 1: Epstein Justice dot Com, and it looks it looks like
Speaker 1: we're closer and closer getting some justice and some answers.
Speaker 1: It's the nightcap and we'll be right back on seven
Speaker 1: hundred WLW.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 1: Our discussion is with Peter Shin for the next few
Speaker 1: minutes from Epstein Justice dot Com. He is the associate
Speaker 1: director thereof And Peter, I understand, just off topic for
Speaker 1: a moment, you have a quite an extensive career in broadcasting,
Speaker 1: which almost fascinates me. I've been in this business now
Speaker 1: for longer than I want to mention, forty five years,
Speaker 1: and you were actually in farm broadcasting. Tell me about that,
Speaker 1: just for a minute or two.
Speaker 5: Well, sure, I was an agricultural broadcaster. I got into
Speaker 5: that kind of role by accident. I answered an ad
Speaker 5: in a newspaper that's a true story about in nineteen
Speaker 5: ninety six, and they were looking at the time for
Speaker 5: a part time farm assistant. And I didn't know anything
Speaker 5: really about production agriculture. I'd spent some time working in
Speaker 5: the fields as a kid in New Mexico and in Ohio,
Speaker 5: but I start never run a farm. But what I
Speaker 5: found out is that agriculture is an absolutely fascinating industry.
Speaker 5: And of course it's one that is absolutely vital to
Speaker 5: this nation because without a farmer, you don't eat. And
Speaker 5: so I really enjoyed that aspect of my life. But
Speaker 5: I was also an Air Force Air National guardsman, and
Speaker 5: so I had an opportunity at a certain point to
Speaker 5: leave my career in farm broadcasting to go return to
Speaker 5: active duty. And that's ultimately what I.
Speaker 3: Chose to do.
Speaker 1: Oh God bless you. You know, you were a farm broadcaster,
Speaker 1: agricultural broadcaster in Iowa, which is my birth state, and
Speaker 1: I come from farm stock, although I never picked up
Speaker 1: the plow myself, so that kind of is near and
Speaker 1: dear to my heart. In two thousand and eight, you
Speaker 1: were selected to provide leadership, communications, problem solving, and critical
Speaker 1: thinking skills which sometimes are sadly lacking in our society
Speaker 1: for various reasons today at the US Air Force Officer
Speaker 1: Training School, and then you deployed to the Iowa National Guard, right.
Speaker 6: Well, something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a complicated.
Speaker 5: Our military is more complicated than most people imagine, right.
Speaker 5: So we have an active duty component, we have an
Speaker 5: air national Guard component or are a national Guard component
Speaker 5: Army and air, and we also have a reserve component.
Speaker 5: At least many of the services do. And so if
Speaker 5: you're a service member and you're on active duty, that
Speaker 5: means one thing. If you're in the reserves that means another.
Speaker 5: And so really what happened was I was in the
Speaker 5: Iowa National Guard and then I got a chance to
Speaker 5: go on active duty. Now I'm still affiliated with the
Speaker 5: Iowa National Guard, but now I'm in the Air National
Speaker 5: Guard of the United States, operating under Title ten, which
Speaker 5: is all complicated, and what it really means is that, hey,
Speaker 5: you've been put on active duty, but you're still in
Speaker 5: the Guard. You're not a regular Air Force member. So
Speaker 5: there are these kind of administrative nuances that really don't
Speaker 5: mean anything.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day.
Speaker 5: You're still on active duty, you're still wearing the uniform,
Speaker 5: you're still getting a check. But I was never disaffiliated
Speaker 5: with the Iowa National Guard, if.
Speaker 4: That makes sense.
Speaker 5: But what happened was, yeah, I went back I trained
Speaker 5: officer candidates. The Iowa Guard called me up and said, hey, look,
Speaker 5: we got a big army deployment and we have a
Speaker 5: public affairs position that we need somebody to take with
Speaker 5: this little tiny agribusiness unit that's going to Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: Would you be interested?
Speaker 5: And I said, well, I've never been a public affairs officer,
Speaker 5: but I know a lot about agricultural and broadcasting and
Speaker 5: I know how important this mission is.
Speaker 1: And I'd be happy to do it.
Speaker 5: And so I went and interviewed with the Army six
Speaker 5: who was running the mission, the Agribusiness Development Team, and
Speaker 5: I convinced him that I could do the job, and
Speaker 5: so he brought me along and that's how it went.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get back to Epstein Justice for just a moment.
Speaker 1: The victims themselves. Is there any e idea how many
Speaker 1: there may be, and how many may still be alive?
Speaker 1: And how would they be made whole by the release
Speaker 1: of this information?
Speaker 5: These are good questions. I will tell you that the
Speaker 5: Department of Justice estimates Jeffrey Epstein's victims to number more
Speaker 5: than a thousand. Now that's apporting to the Department of Justice,
Speaker 5: and I believe that to be a roughly accurate figure.
Speaker 5: We're talking about hundreds and hundreds potentially of children and
Speaker 5: also some young adults who were harmed very seriously by
Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein and Galaine Maxwell and their associates. How would
Speaker 5: the release of this information help make victims whole. Well,
Speaker 5: first of all, it might help them feel as if
Speaker 5: the federal government was actually interested in justice for them
Speaker 5: and it is less interested in covering it up. That
Speaker 5: might be one way in which they might feel less
Speaker 5: like victims and more like people who are supported by
Speaker 5: their own government. That would be one critical factor that
Speaker 5: I think would be very helpful to victims. And it's
Speaker 5: worth noting Gary Jeff that Epstein victims themselves are calling
Speaker 5: for the release of this information, and they're calling for
Speaker 5: it because of the very reasons that I've said, How
Speaker 5: can they possibly get to any kind of closure when
Speaker 5: in fact, the reason that alex Acosta in testimony before
Speaker 5: the House Oversight Committee, and alex Acosta is the one
Speaker 5: time US attorney and current director of Newsmax who made
Speaker 5: the agreement with Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys that allowed Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 5: to go essentially unpunished for a child sex trafficking network
Speaker 5: that the Palm Beach Police had him dead.
Speaker 6: De Rives to.
Speaker 5: Well, alex Acosta made the deal that let him basically
Speaker 5: walk free. But and what alex Aposta has said is
Speaker 5: that the reason we didn't prosecute him is because the.
Speaker 6: Victims are liars.
Speaker 1: That's what he said.
Speaker 5: We didn't believe them, we didn't believe they could testify effectively.
Speaker 6: We didn't believe the victims.
Speaker 5: That's what Alex Aposta has testified to.
Speaker 6: Well, if we get this information.
Speaker 5: Out there, maybe, just maybe we might believe the victims
Speaker 5: in this case.
Speaker 6: And the thing is that this is the thing, Gary, Jeff.
Speaker 5: The American people all ready do believe the victims. It's
Speaker 5: just that the huge problem that we have in the
Speaker 5: country is that, for reasons unclear, the federal government at
Speaker 5: this point, and specifically the executive branch, have not been
Speaker 5: willing to comply with the will of the American people
Speaker 5: to disclose this information up until now. President Trump let
Speaker 5: the effort to propose it. Now he says, let's get
Speaker 5: it out there, and I say, yes, President Trump, let's
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 1: Well. I mean, hasn't even been in office a whole year.
Speaker 1: He's accomplished a whole lot in less than a year
Speaker 1: as president. And this will be added to those kudos
Speaker 1: if it all goes as planned and we get this
Speaker 1: you know, this closure, whatever that may mean for whomever. Epstein.
Speaker 1: Justice dot Com is the website and the place where
Speaker 1: you can find more of the work that Peter Shin
Speaker 1: and his group of folks who care about the victims
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein and want justice are doing, and you
Speaker 1: can find out more there anything else real quickly to add.
Speaker 5: Peter, well, I know this is a crass but you
Speaker 5: know we're a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization. We're not interested in
Speaker 5: taking political sides on this. We just think it's the
Speaker 5: right thing to do for everybody. But we could use money,
Speaker 5: so if you'd like to donate, we'd welcome that too.
Speaker 1: All right, fantastic, Thanks for your time tonight.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Gary Jeffson, always good to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Yes, Sir Peter Shin Epstein Justice dot Com just afternoons
Speaker 1: a man who has spent extensive time in Ukraine and
Speaker 1: is going back again. We'll find out why, and we'll
Speaker 1: find about his connections to this country. Doctor Jim Waite
Speaker 1: is next on the Nightcap into yet another hour of
Speaker 1: this Nightcap on Monday, November seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Our
Speaker 1: next guest is a guy that I had the pleasure
Speaker 1: of meeting several years ago. He was an acquaintance of
Speaker 1: someone that came into the bar while I was bartending
Speaker 1: late the late Jim Sawyer or saw Bones, and we
Speaker 1: both knew him as quite the character. But he introduced
Speaker 1: me to doctor Jim Waite at that time, and he
Speaker 1: had been on this program in the past. It's been
Speaker 1: a few years, but he popped back up at the
Speaker 1: bar last week and I said, you know, we're doing
Speaker 1: another conversation on the radio on my show, Jim, what
Speaker 1: do you think? And he was agreeable to that, and
Speaker 1: he has a lot to report back from Ukraine and
Speaker 1: he is going back to Ukraine tomorrow to continue the
Speaker 1: work that he has been doing there over a span
Speaker 1: of several years. He is the head of Laser Care
Speaker 1: of Northern Kentucky. With Laser Care of Northern Kentucky, his
Speaker 1: history was as a dentist. He quit the dentistry finally
Speaker 1: and he is doing fine work now for people with
Speaker 1: no downtime, no surgery, for all kinds of melodies that
Speaker 1: affect many of us. And it's great to have him
Speaker 1: on the show once again. Doctor Jim Waite, how are.
Speaker 3: You hey, I'm great, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first time that we ever talked, you talked
Speaker 1: to me about you were headed to Ukraine because your
Speaker 1: wife was from Ukraine and she was working with family
Speaker 1: there and kind of stuck, and you were making multiple
Speaker 1: trips to Ukraine as a result of that, and it
Speaker 1: became your second home country. Basically, you talked about the
Speaker 1: corruption in politics. You know, you think that we're rife
Speaker 1: with corruption in this country, and we are, but nothing
Speaker 1: like what happened or has happened in Ukraine over the years.
Speaker 1: And then President President Zelenski got a rude wake up
Speaker 1: call when President Putin of Russia decided that he wanted
Speaker 1: Ukraine back for Mother Russia. And we're in the middle
Speaker 1: of this embroiled, inness, awful war of aggression by Russia
Speaker 1: and the Ukrainians right and ability to defend themselves, and
Speaker 1: he's been right there watching it all happen in real time.
Speaker 1: So number one, doctor Waite, is is this a winnable
Speaker 1: war by Ukraine from the standpoint of driving the Russians out?
Speaker 1: Do you think?
Speaker 3: Well, if you remember back when we talked and Putin
Speaker 3: was massing troops, I said he wouldn't have I said
Speaker 3: he won't invade because I know the Ukrainians and there's
Speaker 3: just going to be a lot of dead Russians. Well,
Speaker 3: he invaded and now there's a lot of dead Russians.
Speaker 3: And I just read another a blog in a Russian
Speaker 3: blog today from a guy named Strelkov igor Gerkin. He's
Speaker 3: the guy that led the whole thing in twenty fourteen
Speaker 3: when they first took over to don Bass in Crimea,
Speaker 3: and he's just going off on how they just they
Speaker 3: have to totally dismantle Ukraine and split it up between
Speaker 3: Poland and Romania and Hungary and then take what they want.
Speaker 3: So the Russians are, you know, full bore all in
Speaker 3: on this thing. The Ukrainians, I don't know that they
Speaker 3: can win, but the Russians certainly aren't. They're losing tons
Speaker 3: of people. And I told you the story about the
Speaker 3: one soldier I know that's thirty two, and he was
Speaker 3: telling about being at Bakmut and he had seven guys
Speaker 3: in his group and another five guys defending a strong point,
Speaker 3: and just as like you and I are talking, or
Speaker 3: we're talking the bar or something, and he said, yeah,
Speaker 3: the Russians start coming in, we'd start killing them, and
Speaker 3: then they'd come again and we'd kill some more, and
Speaker 3: we might kill five hundred in a day. Wow. Just
Speaker 3: kind of like that.
Speaker 1: You know, well, the great, the great, tell the great
Speaker 1: story you told me about the guy who was he
Speaker 1: now he was off duty and you asked him if
Speaker 1: he would re up.
Speaker 3: And what did he say? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What did he say?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, he actually saved his own life with this
Speaker 3: thing called a sick tournament turnique si c h. It's
Speaker 3: a Kassack word. And then the people that I work
Speaker 3: with rehabbed his arm to ninety five percent used when
Speaker 3: the doctors said he'd never use it again. But he's
Speaker 3: finally discharged, but he said, I'm signing back up when
Speaker 3: we go to Moscow. So, you know, great expectations. You
Speaker 3: can't imagine how much people hate the Russians. And these
Speaker 3: were their brothers, you know, they all get family and
Speaker 3: people in Russia. The one girl that moved here that
Speaker 3: had run the orphanage outside of Kiev when they were
Speaker 3: shelling her village, Shiv out of Patrisk and she talked
Speaker 3: to her family in Leningrad, Leningrad, Saint Petersburg and they said, Natalia,
Speaker 3: we're coming to and she says, what do you mean,
Speaker 3: We're coming to rescue you from the Nazis and the
Speaker 3: fascist And she said, if you want to rescue me,
Speaker 3: stop showing me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. And what is life like on what
Speaker 1: is life like on the ground for the people in
Speaker 1: Ukraine where.
Speaker 3: You are, Oh, in Kiev, it's almost normal until there's
Speaker 3: an air raid or a blackout. Now, a year ago
Speaker 3: when I was there, there was a blackout almost every day,
Speaker 3: and most of them were scheduled because they were doing
Speaker 3: repair work from bombings and so they you know, he
Speaker 3: had have a four hours in some cases you'd have
Speaker 3: to a day, and they were scheduled. And then now then,
Speaker 3: until just the last couple of weeks, the Russians hadn't
Speaker 3: affected the electrical grid, and even then things were pretty
Speaker 3: much normal. All the restaurants bought generators and had them
Speaker 3: sitting on the sidewalk, and if there was a black out,
Speaker 3: they turned the generator on and people kept eating. So
Speaker 3: it was, you know, for intents and purposes, it was
Speaker 3: pretty normal.
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's been a lot, a lot of
Speaker 1: destruction in the eastern part of the country.
Speaker 3: Obviously they're a brick on a brick, Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 3: and they've destroyed the water canals, they've start destroyed the
Speaker 3: water pipes the Russians. Where the Russians have taken over
Speaker 3: in Donetsk, they're having to bring in water trucks. People
Speaker 3: go without water, they're going to be without heat.
Speaker 4: In some cases.
Speaker 3: It's going to be it's a true disaster. And the
Speaker 3: Russians they're just brutal, and they're brutal to their own people,
Speaker 3: and they don't really take care of the citizenry.
Speaker 1: Well, you also told me that the Russian army is
Speaker 1: not comp comprised of people from Moscow or St. Petersburg.
Speaker 1: It's from all the various regions that Russia has taken over.
Speaker 1: And there are Muslims and there are other groups of
Speaker 1: people just being thrown in like cannon fodder by Putin.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, a lot of Doorats from which are Buddhists
Speaker 3: from out around like the Call, and then others, and
Speaker 3: then you get the Muslims, and then you get you know,
Speaker 3: they got like one hundred and twenty nationalities and languages
Speaker 3: and things, and so the actual Moscow people casualties are
Speaker 3: like less than one ten percent, and they all pretty
Speaker 3: much exempt themselves. And then what they do is they
Speaker 3: offer these huge bonuses for signing up. They got seventy
Speaker 3: year old guys signing up. Now, guys, they're walking with
Speaker 3: a cane and they're figuring, Hey, I'm going to set
Speaker 3: my family up. I'm going to get this big bonus.
Speaker 3: And then what they find out is they steal your
Speaker 3: money and it's on an EBT card and they deal them.
Speaker 3: The commanders steal the money, and then when you're dead,
Speaker 3: they don't collect the bodies, and so there's no benefit.
Speaker 3: We don't know what happened the poor old Igor, you know,
Speaker 3: so we can't pay you.
Speaker 1: So they're lying. They're lying to them to get more
Speaker 1: bodies to throw into the meat grinder at the Ukrainians.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now they're playing paying police and other people
Speaker 3: recruitment bonuses. So they're going and getting alcoholics and all
Speaker 3: kinds of guys off the street and they thing you
Speaker 3: pass out on the street, and they thing, you know,
Speaker 3: you're in the army. That's what they're fighting with now.
Speaker 3: And the other thing is the commanders capture places on
Speaker 3: what they call captured on credit. They send the guy
Speaker 3: out with a flag, he plants the flag, they take
Speaker 3: a picture, they report that they captured this village and
Speaker 3: they get a bonus. Well, once the Ukrainians see that
Speaker 3: published that, well, now you have to take it. So
Speaker 3: the Ukrainians bulk it up. And now you're really good
Speaker 3: casualties because you have to take it.
Speaker 1: But what do you what do you think the casualty
Speaker 1: rate is you're talking about all of the dead Russians. Uh,
Speaker 1: Are there equal casualties on on the Ukrainian side?
Speaker 3: Kim No, No, it's maybe one third to one fourth
Speaker 3: on the Ukrainian side.
Speaker 1: That can't be That can't really, they're still really high.
Speaker 1: That can't be good for Putin ultimately with the Russian people, can't.
Speaker 3: You You would think so. But you know, there's nobody
Speaker 3: better at suffering than the Russians. They got a real, uh,
Speaker 3: real knack for suffering. You know, you see those commercials
Speaker 3: on TV of the grandmothers and the really horrible conditions
Speaker 3: and and raising money for him, and and you go
Speaker 3: throughout Ukraine and Russia and those places are real. You
Speaker 3: in almost any village outside of a city, and you
Speaker 3: know you've got some conditions like that. So these these
Speaker 3: are hard people, both were Ukrainians and Russians. You know,
Speaker 3: I told you the story of the grandfather that was
Speaker 3: living in his basement and the Russians are coming and
Speaker 3: the Ukrainians are pleading with him to leave, and he says,
Speaker 3: I'm not leaving and they go that disco. The Russians
Speaker 3: will come and kill you, and he says if they
Speaker 3: kill me, they'll know they killed the Ukrainian.
Speaker 1: In other words, he's ready to fight to his last
Speaker 1: breath to defend us home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll go down with the with the ship, but
Speaker 3: we're taking a bunch of them with us.
Speaker 1: Talking to doctor Jim Waite on the Nightcap, who was
Speaker 1: heading back to Ukraine tomorrow, we'll talk about some of
Speaker 1: the work he has been doing there with all of
Speaker 1: the casualties and the wounds that are happening and do
Speaker 1: happen in battle. And there's a new technique that is
Speaker 1: being used that's been around for a long time. But
Speaker 1: maybe American doctors could take a page out of the
Speaker 1: Ukrainian playbook when it comes to what we're going to
Speaker 1: speak of next. Doctor Jim Wait with us on the
Speaker 1: Nightcap back in a moment, we are talking to doctor
Speaker 1: Jim Wait, who's from northern Kentucky and is headed back
Speaker 1: to is the second home country, Ukraine tomorrow. Doctor Jim
Speaker 1: there is a technique that you told me has been
Speaker 1: used in dentistry, uh, for implants and the like, but
Speaker 1: not in medical surgery for wounds. And you guys are
Speaker 1: successfully using in Ukraine from for folks coming off the
Speaker 1: battlefield and the wounds there. It's called p RF or
Speaker 1: fight Yeah, okay, And what what is this and why
Speaker 1: is it so crucial a specially you know a war
Speaker 1: zone or where people are treating these these wounds trying
Speaker 1: to save limbs and the like. What what makes it
Speaker 1: so special?
Speaker 3: Well, people might be familiar with platelet rich plasma, which
Speaker 3: major league pictures and people have been injecting in their
Speaker 3: elbows for a long time. But the platelet rich plasma
Speaker 3: has an antiquigulant, and so you draw all the patient's blood,
Speaker 3: you put in the antiquagulant to keep it liquid. But
Speaker 3: because it doesn't clot, it only lasts a couple of
Speaker 3: days if you leave the fiber and it will clot eventually,
Speaker 3: and then we get an effect for up to fourteen days,
Speaker 3: and then there's another way we can extend it to
Speaker 3: even four to six months. So what happens is this
Speaker 3: fibrin traps platelets and white blood cells and other healing
Speaker 3: elements and proteins and different things, and then it slowly
Speaker 3: releases them, kind of like a drip irrigation to a plant.
Speaker 3: So for fourteen days you're getting this drip irrigation of
Speaker 3: all your stuff, and it's highly concentrated. So imagine taking
Speaker 3: everything that God gave your body to heal with and
Speaker 3: concentrating it by a factor of four and then being
Speaker 3: able to inject it or put it right where you
Speaker 3: want it to be to promote healing. So it's really
Speaker 3: great stuff. The drawback to it is because there's no anticoagulants.
Speaker 3: You have to draw the blood and get it into
Speaker 3: a centrifuge in ninety seconds, and that's the drawback why
Speaker 3: it's one of the big drawbacks why it isn't used
Speaker 3: much in medicine. In a dental office, you know, you've
Speaker 3: got a small office, you can walk across the office
Speaker 3: and put it in a centrifuge, And for dentists that
Speaker 3: are doing implants or periosurgery or those kinds of things,
Speaker 3: it's like the best insurance ever. You get great healing
Speaker 3: and it costs five dollars. You know, you've got a
Speaker 3: couple of testtoos in a collection kit and he got
Speaker 3: some special centrifuge and some other things. But for sports
Speaker 3: injuries joints, injecting joints. Doctor Robert Tallick in Houston. He
Speaker 3: came to the dental conferences from doctor Rick Myron is
Speaker 3: the guy that did most of the research and pioneered
Speaker 3: this when he was in burn, Switzerland, and he's been
Speaker 3: in Florida teaching it for about five years now. And
Speaker 3: doctor Tallick went into the dental conferences, didn't tell anybody
Speaker 3: he was an MD. And he's just been named orthopedic
Speaker 3: to the Olympic team, and I've talked to him a
Speaker 3: number of times and he said he's reduced his surgeries
Speaker 3: by eighty percent using injections. So if you look at
Speaker 3: war wounds, they're always dirty, there's sometimes there's missing tissue.
Speaker 3: You can't sell them back together. Sometimes you don't want
Speaker 3: us so stitch them back together. So you can actually
Speaker 3: make membranes, or you can do injections of affected areas
Speaker 3: with the platelet rich FIBERN and it speeds up healing
Speaker 3: and then also has an antibacterial effects. So it's just
Speaker 3: great stuff and it's easy to use, and it's the
Speaker 3: patient's own blood. You don't have to worry about any
Speaker 3: kind of reactions or any other things. So that's what
Speaker 3: we're teaching over there, and they've been very they've been
Speaker 3: very good at picking up on it and finding ways
Speaker 3: to use it. And I'm like, hey, guys, I don't
Speaker 3: know what you did. You're orthopedics. I'm a dentist. I
Speaker 3: don't you know. Tell me. I can tell you all
Speaker 3: about PRF, but you're going to have to tell me
Speaker 3: how you use it.
Speaker 1: Well, that mean great work. If more surgeons in this
Speaker 1: country could adopt that, it wouldn't cost much to put
Speaker 1: a centrifuge within walking distance of where they draw the
Speaker 1: blood for the patient. Maybe the problem is it only
Speaker 1: costs five dollars and the insurance companies and if pharmaceutical
Speaker 1: companies aren't going to get great big kickbacks and make
Speaker 1: a lot of money of it, is that is that
Speaker 1: really the issue?
Speaker 3: Well, that could be part of it. Nobody it had.
Speaker 3: It's an orphan in that sense, it has no uh
Speaker 3: you know, parent to push it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Now that if you look at the website that I
Speaker 3: have tubes for Life dot o RG all one word
Speaker 3: tubes for life, there's about five results on there, and
Speaker 3: they're all wound healing results with most of them are
Speaker 3: diabetics or with toes. So the people that are having
Speaker 3: having amputations and things, there's these pictures are right there
Speaker 3: on the on the website of people that were scheduled
Speaker 3: for amputations and they're healed. They don't need an amputation.
Speaker 3: They just needed some some treatment more than what they
Speaker 3: were getting.
Speaker 4: So it's.
Speaker 1: And for you know, for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: Uh you know, uh, the dentists know it, like I said,
Speaker 3: because anything you do, if you're doing any kind of surgery,
Speaker 3: you look great. Many it healed. Yeah, you know, it's
Speaker 3: like the best insurance policy ever for five bucks.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you were showing me pictures of these gravy
Speaker 1: sucking wounds on people's bodies, on their feet and on
Speaker 1: their hands and on their toes, and then the progression
Speaker 1: of the healing is just amazing. With a simple injection.
Speaker 3: Some people, yeah, some people are on in some cases
Speaker 3: making a membrane and just laying the membrane over it.
Speaker 3: As if you take the liquid PRF and you put
Speaker 3: it in a form or just a tray with a
Speaker 3: form and let it set for fifteen minutes it'll form,
Speaker 3: it'll it will colt eventually, and you have this really
Speaker 3: nice membrane that you can take out and just lay
Speaker 3: over the wound.
Speaker 1: And it becomes healthy human skin again ultimately.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing, It truly is.
Speaker 3: And in the joints, the I work with the Institute
Speaker 3: of Traumatology and Archipedics in Kiev and they've had tremendous
Speaker 3: results injecting joints so where you were so where you
Speaker 3: might be injecting joints with steroids, they're injecting them with t.
Speaker 1: R F tubes for life dot org t U B
Speaker 1: E s F O r L I f E dot org,
Speaker 1: where you can see the pictures and see the results
Speaker 1: of this incredible PRF therapy that doctor Jim Wade is
Speaker 1: now doing in Ukraine with the orthopedics and UH and
Speaker 1: helping people fresh off the battlefield in that wartim country.
Speaker 1: I wish you godspeed and come back to us safe
Speaker 1: and and I hope you'll be able to phone in
Speaker 1: an update soon. But are time's done tonight, dot.
Speaker 3: Well, we may have a you may have an international
Speaker 3: correspond That would be awesome.
Speaker 1: That would be awesome. We'll work it out, Doctor Jim
Speaker 1: Waite of Again Laser Care of Northern Kentucky and Tubesfolife
Speaker 1: dot Org on his way back to Ukraine to help
Speaker 1: in a time of trauma and war. Wow, the wild
Speaker 1: Man is coming up next round and third heading for home.
Speaker 1: As the old left Hander used to say, Only I'm
Speaker 1: not the old left hander, and he's not Marty Brenneman.
Speaker 1: He's the wild Man. Gary Jeff Walker with you as
Speaker 1: we close out this Monday night cap. It's time for
Speaker 1: the wild Man's Corner of Goo. The Goo continues through
Speaker 1: a horrible Bengals season, and but there are other things
Speaker 1: to discuss, and we're going to discuss other things for
Speaker 1: a moment first tonight. Hello wild Man, how are you.
Speaker 6: I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm in a good mood.
Speaker 6: I'm in a good mood.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well we'll find out what that's all about
Speaker 1: here in just a second. I guess we were talking
Speaker 1: last week about the Reds Hall of Fame and how
Speaker 1: the choices that we were given were number one, way
Speaker 1: too extensive and did not include and maybe he should
Speaker 1: have included some people in particular, and one of those
Speaker 1: people was the long serving clubhouse manager. Bernie Stowe. Well
Speaker 1: you sent me this today. He's been honored in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five in the MLB Clubhouse Manager's Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Why is he not in the Reds Hall of Fame?
Speaker 1: Wild Man?
Speaker 6: Well, that's a very good question, Gary, Jeff. This goes
Speaker 6: back to when Marty Brenahan was inducted into the Baseball
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame and wasn't inducted to the Reds Hall
Speaker 6: of Fame. And the eventually was Bernie can't be nominated
Speaker 6: because he wasn't a player. It's only for players and executives.
Speaker 6: But again, you know Marty was was, if finally inducted
Speaker 6: into the Reds Hall of Fame, and this is where
Speaker 6: Bernie Stowe should be inducted into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6: He is one of just seven inaugural equipment managers honored
Speaker 6: this year. I mean this is the first time honor
Speaker 6: and he has one of seven guys. I saw the
Speaker 6: old Cubs clubhouse manager, Josh Kuano. If you remember Yosh,
Speaker 6: sometimes you would see him in the dugout wearing one
Speaker 6: of those bucket hats, and he had been a quip
Speaker 6: manager for the Cubs forever. But Bernie forty five years
Speaker 6: as the Reds clubhouse manager. He's seen it all. And
Speaker 6: on top of that, before that, Gary Jeff, he was
Speaker 6: the Reds batboy. I've got baseball cards of him as
Speaker 6: the bat boy back in the fifties before he was
Speaker 6: even clubhouse manager. So it's way overdue. The redinue go
Speaker 6: wake it up, wake up, get their heads out of
Speaker 6: their butts. And then dug Bernie Stowe this year into
Speaker 6: the Reds Hall of Fame. I go to Reds and
Speaker 6: when I go to redsvest in January, I'm gonna be
Speaker 6: raising hell about that to a few Reds officials when
Speaker 6: I see him.
Speaker 1: He was a part of four World Series winners at
Speaker 1: the Reds in nineteen seventy and.
Speaker 6: Then the seventy five, seventy six to ninety.
Speaker 1: Yes, so I mean he and he played an integral role.
Speaker 1: Everybody knew Bernie Stowe, and Bernie Stowe was the man
Speaker 1: who made sure the players had what they needed, equipment
Speaker 1: wise and just player comfort wise. Anything he could do
Speaker 1: for the Reds he was there to do and he
Speaker 1: always did. And it's it's a family legacy that extends
Speaker 1: to this day.
Speaker 6: I got no argument from me, man like I said,
Speaker 6: I mean forty five years he saw it all. If
Speaker 6: he wrote a book, it would have been a New
Speaker 6: York Times bestseller of the stuff that he saw. But
Speaker 6: he kept his mouth shut. You know, you know, what
Speaker 6: says in the club what says in the clubhouse stays
Speaker 6: in the clubhouse. I mean, you know the beat Rose scandal.
Speaker 6: Who knows what else went on and went on, and
Speaker 6: we'll never know about that. Bernie took to his grave,
Speaker 6: but he really deserves to be and this should catapault.
Speaker 6: This should catapault Bernie into the Reds Hall of Fame
Speaker 6: with this induction and Cooper Center really should they should.
Speaker 1: Well, if the Reds Hall of Fame is only eligible
Speaker 1: for players in management, why is Marty Brenneman in he wellness.
Speaker 6: There you go. Then they follally well because Marty Brenneman
Speaker 6: got into the Baseball Hall of Fame first, Then the
Speaker 6: Reds went, well, wait a minute, he should be in
Speaker 6: our Hall of Fame, right, And then they made the
Speaker 6: right choice. Oh, I know Marty Brennan, and I know
Speaker 6: Marty Brenneman will tell you right now that Bernie should
Speaker 6: be in there.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, no, I can hear Marty Brenneman.
Speaker 6: Well, with the you know, Hall of Fame. You know
Speaker 6: that they've got the players, the nominees that they've had.
Speaker 6: This is you that Bernie should go in with Francisco
Speaker 6: Cordero and what Brandon Phillips. There should be three guys
Speaker 6: that go in.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I agreed with you last week when you made the
Speaker 1: case for Bernie Stowe to be a member of the
Speaker 1: Reds Hall of Fame. So let's uh, let's switch gears.
Speaker 1: I heard that you were recently seen in a Cyclones
Speaker 1: hockey game. Is that true?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I went two weeks ago. Two weeks ago on
Speaker 6: a Saturday, I ran into your rant to one of
Speaker 6: your buddies. Yeah, Lou, Yeah, I ran it to Lou.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Do you know that there's a man named Ken Carly
Speaker 1: who was a volunteer and often works the penalty box
Speaker 1: for the Cyclones, And he works with another guy named Joe.
Speaker 1: There an older guy named Joe who's right now on
Speaker 1: some kind of British Columbia train vacation with his wife,
Speaker 1: so he didn't make the last weekend. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: know a bunch of guys who work Cyclones games, and
Speaker 1: I actually have a Cyclones connection. Besides you, and I
Speaker 1: know that for years you were one of the big,
Speaker 1: big time supporters, but you made it the other night.
Speaker 1: Was there something special about the other night?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: Absolutely. The Iowa Highlanders were in town, coach by Chuck Weber,
Speaker 6: who won the two Kelly Cups of the Cyclone.
Speaker 1: So I went.
Speaker 6: I really went because I wanted the see Chuck after
Speaker 6: the game. And I saw, I sawd Chuck after the game.
Speaker 3: I thought it.
Speaker 6: Did I send you a picture? I don't know if
Speaker 6: my dinner, No, No, I saw, but I saw Chuck.
Speaker 6: But I saw Chuck after the game. Yes, And we
Speaker 6: talked about you know, why they you know, briefly, I'm
Speaker 6: not going to go into it, but briefly about why
Speaker 6: they didn't hire him when they had the chance to
Speaker 6: bring him back and they decided to go a different direction.
Speaker 6: And I'm not going to go into it. I'll tell
Speaker 6: you off the air, but I'm not going to tell
Speaker 6: you on the air because it's something private between me
Speaker 6: and Chuck. But again, and of course, you know Friday night,
Speaker 6: Friday night, I had to work the Indian Hill in
Speaker 6: the Hill football game, so I couldn't go. And the
Speaker 6: Cyclones one, I believe it was nine to two, and
Speaker 6: I think I guess Chuck got into I got into
Speaker 6: the guys pretty good because Saturday night I'll return to
Speaker 6: Favorite one to seven to two. So uh so that's
Speaker 6: why I went to see Chuck. And they come back
Speaker 6: in March for a two game series and I'll probably
Speaker 6: go either one.
Speaker 1: Hopefully I go both.
Speaker 6: Games and see Chuck again.
Speaker 1: I know you do the PA stuff for Indian Hills football.
Speaker 1: How things worked out for Indian Hills this year? Wild Man,
Speaker 1: We're undefeated.
Speaker 6: Man, We're undefeated. We're now playing the semi final regional.
Speaker 6: On on Friday, we played Valley Vue at Fairfield Stadium. Valleyview.
Speaker 6: I think they're out of Germantown. We had an unbelievable
Speaker 6: game Friday night against Taff. I mean, we were dominating
Speaker 6: Taff from the outset and we let Tam kind of
Speaker 6: get back in the game. Gary Jeff Taff is down
Speaker 6: on the one yard line. The clock is winding down
Speaker 6: to the one minute mark, and they fumbled the ball
Speaker 6: at the one yard line and they went into the
Speaker 6: end zone and Jackson Frye fell on the ball. That's
Speaker 6: a one in a million chance that the game would
Speaker 6: end like that, fumbling the ball in the one yard line.
Speaker 6: Take it In'm gonna win the game. And we recovered
Speaker 6: the fumble, took two knees and got out of there
Speaker 6: with the win twenty five to nineteen.
Speaker 1: So it's been a pretty good darn sir season if
Speaker 1: you're Indian Hill Football alone.
Speaker 6: Player, or it's been a tremendous season.
Speaker 1: Yes, do they attribute any any of the success to you?
Speaker 6: No, No, they don't know. They don't. But but if
Speaker 6: the boys can go all the way, I would think
Speaker 6: I would get a ring, he says, I'm involved with
Speaker 6: the program.
Speaker 1: Well, you expect a ring if they win a state championship.
Speaker 6: Yes, I would expect a ring from my good buddy,
Speaker 6: athling director Brian Phelps, just I would.
Speaker 1: Will there be a lot of goo for the wild
Speaker 1: man if you don't get a ring?
Speaker 3: I have no, I have no.
Speaker 6: There's no doubt in my mind that the Indian Hill
Speaker 6: Braves win this, win the state championship, that I will
Speaker 6: get a ring.
Speaker 3: There's no doubt.
Speaker 1: That's wonderful.
Speaker 6: Okay, then, and that'll be three rings I've had. I
Speaker 6: got cyclones rings from the two Kelly Cup championships, and
Speaker 6: then I'd have another one for a football championship, and
Speaker 6: I should have had one this past year for baseball,
Speaker 6: and this year going in the baseball season, there's a
Speaker 6: damn good chance that we could win the state championship.
Speaker 6: Indian Hill Baseball the.
Speaker 1: Best announcer money can pay for Wildman Walker at Indian
Speaker 1: Hill this Friday night playoff game. This is a semifinal round,
Speaker 1: wild Man.
Speaker 6: Yes, okay, your regional semi final against Valevue at Fairfield Stadium.
Speaker 6: So we don't really have to travel very far, you know,
Speaker 6: the last two games because we won the Cincinnati Hills League,
Speaker 6: we got to host two games at home. So now
Speaker 6: we go on the road and go into Fairfield. There's nothing.
Speaker 6: I mean, we shall have a lot of fans come
Speaker 6: out there for that game.
Speaker 1: All right, wild Man, I tell you what, Sit back,
Speaker 1: take a break for a moment, and we'll come back
Speaker 1: and talk about some other things. Yeah, I know what
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about. The wild Man on the
Speaker 1: Nightcap continues in moments on seven hundred WLW with wild
Speaker 1: Manalker talking about revenge for last year's Indian Hills game
Speaker 1: against Taft. The Braves got it back last weekend. In advance,
Speaker 1: as we were talking about just a few moments, go
Speaker 1: wild man, h what's happening with the Bengals?
Speaker 6: Where are you wanting to start?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 6: One of seven without Joe Burrow. They've now tied the
Speaker 6: record for giving up twenty seven points per game. The
Speaker 6: record's going to be broken on the Sunday when the
Speaker 6: Patriots come to town, because the Patriots are the best team.
Speaker 6: They might be, they might be the best team in
Speaker 6: all of football the way they're they're playing with their
Speaker 6: MVP quarterback. And then you've got, of course, the everybody's
Speaker 6: talking about it. Everybody around the water cooler is talking
Speaker 6: about it. Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey getting into it,
Speaker 6: Jamar Chase spitting and then denying that he didn't do it,
Speaker 6: but the camera cleary shows that he spit a Jalen
Speaker 6: Ramsey and I expect maybe a two game suspension only
Speaker 6: for the fact that he denied it on camera that
Speaker 6: he didn't do it, when the camera clearly shows that
Speaker 6: he did spit Jalen Ramsey. And we know in the
Speaker 6: heat of the battle the guys say stuff and stuff
Speaker 6: and then just say things. But you don't spin on
Speaker 6: a guy. I mean, that's that's that's that's just so low.
Speaker 3: That's just so low.
Speaker 1: This is this is this is an old feud that
Speaker 1: goes back to the Super Bowl with the Rams, doesn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: between Ramsey and Chase.
Speaker 6: Right, I believe so. I don't know if it's a feud,
Speaker 6: but they you know, they like to talk a lot.
Speaker 6: But you just don't spit on a guy.
Speaker 1: Man, you don't do that.
Speaker 6: And I don't blame Ramsey. Were coming back and punching
Speaker 6: them now, punching him in the face, whether her your
Speaker 6: hand is kind of dumb, because that's why that mask
Speaker 6: is there, and you can break your damn hand. But
Speaker 6: just you know, come on, that's just he's And then
Speaker 6: to deny it, I mean, you know, he should have
Speaker 6: just said no comment. They just spend no comment. That
Speaker 6: would have been the best way. I didn't spin on
Speaker 6: the Guy nineteen video show.
Speaker 3: That he did.
Speaker 1: I saw the video. I've seen, not Channel nineteen somebody
Speaker 1: else's video. I've seen it. It's obviously happened, and Ramsey reacted,
Speaker 1: maybe not in kind, but he reacted, and he's the
Speaker 1: one that got thrown out of the game. The fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is, this is so, this is so
Speaker 1: against the character of what you usually see from Jamar Chase.
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest shocking thing about this Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase is usually he may talk, but he's not the
Speaker 1: kind of guy to highlight himself in a negative way.
Speaker 1: It's usually in a positive way. And I think part
Speaker 1: of that frustration was the fact that he could get
Speaker 1: no traction and couldn't get the targets he wanted for
Speaker 1: the routes he was running, and it all just built up.
Speaker 1: And I think that was out of character for Jamar Chase,
Speaker 1: don't you.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think it's.
Speaker 6: Out of character. Yeah, but you got to give the Steelers.
Speaker 6: The Steelers came out and this time instead of playing
Speaker 6: one on one, they played his own and Zach Taylor
Speaker 6: had no clue how to deal with his own defense.
Speaker 6: Great clue on top of that with this lousy time management.
Speaker 6: So I'm sure Chase was a very, very frustrated. But
Speaker 6: you just don't go and spit on a guy. I mean,
Speaker 6: Gary Jeffens, somebody spit on you, what you retaliate in
Speaker 6: some way. Wouldn't at least push the guy, you know,
Speaker 6: when you're like, you know, head butt him or something.
Speaker 6: I mean that's just wrong, and he's not gonna He's not.
Speaker 6: He might get two games. He might get two games
Speaker 6: for this because, like I said, he denied that he
Speaker 6: did it when it was on camera. I want it
Speaker 6: and go back to Jalen Ramsey, you know. And then
Speaker 6: you're talking about how Jamorrow's got of a low key guy.
Speaker 6: Remember Aj Green getting into it with Jayalen Ramsey. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean, Jay Green is pretty much of a calm guy.
Speaker 6: But he got tired of being you know, pushed a
Speaker 6: route or hitting the back and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: And eventually he eventually retaliated. And I don't know if
Speaker 6: Aj Green got the sky.
Speaker 1: I think he did.
Speaker 6: I think he didn't get suspended for a game.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing leads to another, I mean, but Abby,
Speaker 1: the common denominator in these these different incidents you're talking
Speaker 1: about is Jalen Ramsey. Jalen Ramsey is doing something to
Speaker 1: get under these guys who usually calm demeanor, usually good temperaments.
Speaker 1: Skin What's what's Jalen Ramsey doing behind the scenes that
Speaker 1: we can't see on camera? Wild man? That's the question.
Speaker 6: Maybe some of this will come out to light, and
Speaker 6: when when Jamar Chase has his hearing with the Director
Speaker 6: of Discipline of the National Football League. Yeah, but and then,
Speaker 6: and let's say Jamar doesn't play on Sunday against the Patriots.
Speaker 6: He might appeal and whatnot, And it doesn't got it
Speaker 6: really gonna matter. And Gary, Jeff, we have seven more,
Speaker 6: seven more games, seven more games to watch, and the
Speaker 6: only winnable games that I see on the schedule winnable
Speaker 6: or Arizona and the Browns. That's it. If they're lucky,
Speaker 6: and if they they're not going to beat the Patriots
Speaker 6: on Sunday, and that should runson for all. Shut all
Speaker 6: these idiots up out there that Joe Burrow should play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's apps asolutely zero reason to risk
Speaker 1: your franchise quarterback. If you're well on your way to
Speaker 1: being a five win team, what's the point? Why are
Speaker 1: you going to push that point and and and perhaps
Speaker 1: suffer another injury by the guy who obviously matters more
Speaker 1: than any other player on your team, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 6: And this, and this falls directly I think at the
Speaker 6: bottom line, it's not Joe Burrow, it's not Zach Taylor.
Speaker 6: Mike Brown has to make that decision. And Mike Brown
Speaker 6: says Joe, you're too valuable. I know you want to play.
Speaker 6: I know you think you're you're healthy enough. The doctors
Speaker 6: have said, okay, no, no, we got more. You know
Speaker 6: that the window is still there. We don't need to
Speaker 6: get hurt in the season that is lost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I agree. So other than that, I mean,
Speaker 1: they didn't show us anything different. Uh, the defense may
Speaker 1: have bucked up a little bit compared to their previous uh,
Speaker 1: you know performances. Pittsburgh is not exactly a juggernaut and
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is not the player he used to be, obviously,
Speaker 1: and yet uh, the Bengals once again got drubbed.
Speaker 6: And this time, well they couldn't. They couldn't they could,
Speaker 6: you know, make a play when they had to again
Speaker 6: when they needed the defensive play that they couldn't make it.
Speaker 6: And saw a lot of lousy tackling once again in
Speaker 6: the game.
Speaker 1: You know, wild man, wild Man, I would settle for
Speaker 1: lousy tackling, But there's been no tackling most of the
Speaker 1: season by that Bengals defense. I'd settle for a lousy
Speaker 1: tackling over the tackling or lack of tackling we've seen.
Speaker 6: Well, that's they leave the league and miss tackles.
Speaker 1: You know, that's not lousy. That's not lousy tackling. That's
Speaker 1: no tackling.
Speaker 6: It's it's like I said that, they've already they've already
Speaker 6: tied the record for giving up the most points, and
Speaker 6: now they're going to set that record. Guarantee you you
Speaker 6: can bet the house. You can bet your first born
Speaker 6: come Sunday when they play the Patriots.
Speaker 1: I saw our girl, Caitlin Clark at the Anika Anaka
Speaker 1: Pro am last week, looking good on the golf course.
Speaker 1: Wild man.
Speaker 3: I tell you what.
Speaker 1: I think she's healed up and just looking for something
Speaker 1: else physically to do, waiting for the next w NBA season.
Speaker 1: But you know all about my girl Caitlin, you.
Speaker 6: Know that, Well, that would be nice, That would be
Speaker 6: nice for that league. They could really use her. I
Speaker 6: mean this past season I chicked it out just a
Speaker 6: little bit. But I just want to watch her play
Speaker 6: and hopefully she's healthy and ready to go. And I
Speaker 6: think she made the right decision just to sit out
Speaker 6: and get healthy, kind of like what a guy by
Speaker 6: name of Joe Burrow hot to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, in the w NBA, it's not that
Speaker 1: they're missing layups because of gambling spreads. They just like
Speaker 1: to miss layups.
Speaker 6: I gets what you're going after.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, wild man. It's always good to chat
Speaker 1: with you, and thanks for taking time this evening. We
Speaker 1: will we will rendezvous hopefully next Monday night again before Thanksgiving.
Speaker 6: Okay, yes, oh, let's keep beating the drum there for
Speaker 6: Bernie Stow, for the Reds Hall of Fame, and beat
Speaker 6: it hard.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you beat it hard on your own time, wild Man.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and with that we say farewell
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