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Speaker 1: w LW GJ Dove sitting down for another three hour tour.

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Speaker 1: It's the interview show that you will not want to miss,

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Speaker 1: because it's going to be stellar tonight. Just great guests

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Speaker 1: and you, first and foremost, a very depressing football weekend

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Speaker 1: week in college football, or Hilsei could have been four

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Speaker 1: Week eleven is done and maybe so is Jamar Chase

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Speaker 1: It's just football. What about what's going on every day

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Speaker 1: in our country with Democrat socialism not as popular as

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Speaker 1: mean that fits Seattle, doesn't it. We'll discuss this and

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Speaker 1: more the Epstein Files, the one eighty that President Trump

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Speaker 1: which I thought all along. Among those are the topics

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Speaker 1: we'll be discussing tonight again, a stellar panel, not the

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Speaker 1: bad Bengals loss yesterday in Pittsburgh to the Steelers. But

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Speaker 1: on the bright side, Peter Bronson will be our first

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Speaker 1: It's always a great thing for local history buffs. When

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Speaker 1: Peter delivers his latest tome, and this one is a

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Speaker 1: much different circumstances these days. He has been recently. He

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Speaker 1: who was another JFK expert on the assassination now some

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Speaker 1: sixty three years ago. Pete Shen from the Epstein Justice Project.

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Speaker 1: Peter Shen will be joining us as well. I hope

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Speaker 1: you stick around for all of it. It's the Nightcap,

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Speaker 1: and we will begin with our first guest, the one

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Speaker 1: right this way for Peter Bronson and no, it's it's

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Speaker 1: not a reducts of Breakfast with the Beatles from two

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Speaker 1: Peter Bronson in Studio. How you doing, man, very good?

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Speaker 1: And you glad to be here? Great to have you?

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Speaker 1: Always thank you. This is like content gold for a

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Speaker 1: nightcab great great, Well, I love it too. Magical History

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Speaker 1: Tour is the name of the book, Murder, Mystery and

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Speaker 1: well maybe. I love the cover with the covered wagon

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Speaker 1: the book. And there is a bonus inside this book,

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Speaker 1: ten places to discover Cincinnati history. And that has been

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I love it. And I tell you what.

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Speaker 2: That's what I love to do, and I love finding

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Speaker 1: Now, Peter's just referred to three of his other books

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Speaker 1: don't know if they were looking for a medical college

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Speaker 1: from Monday night, November seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Peter Bronson

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Speaker 1: is our guest. The book is Magical History Tour, Murder Mystery,

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Speaker 1: Buried History, five short stories about real Cincinnati history that

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Speaker 1: All right, little word association, Peter, Sure, because I appreciate

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, free stuff, but free stuff, free buses, free childcare,

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it goes back even farther. And let

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Speaker 1: me explain this, Peter. I think it goes back to

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Speaker 1: the fact that capitalism isn't a failed system. It's the

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Speaker 1: fact that it's been perverted. Free market capitalism been perverted

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Speaker 1: by socialism. For the last hundred years in this country.

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Speaker 1: It's been a slow grind. And the more we saw

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Speaker 1: of a welfare state, the more we saw of even

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Speaker 1: medicare something like that social security. People look to government

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Speaker 1: for answers that only God can provide, and only they

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Speaker 1: themselves can provide or should provide under the guise of

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Speaker 1: the system itself. The Republic in other words, this is

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Speaker 1: not a failure of capitalism. Is this is an extension

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Speaker 1: of the socialism that has been slowly grinding through our

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Speaker 1: culture and society for a century. Well, and do you

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Speaker 1: think that the more the more government supposedly gives or

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Speaker 1: provides the answers, the more that they're expected to do so,

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Speaker 1: even though they fail miserably at providing the answers every

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Speaker 1: time and in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: It seems to me if you look at your history too,

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Speaker 2: the socialist approach is to destroy a given system so

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Speaker 2: that it can then be taken over by the government. Yeah, so, really,

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Speaker 2: you take a look at Obamacare, what it really was,

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Speaker 2: it's it's a bridge to nationalized health care. Because what

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Speaker 2: you're going to do is you're going to destroy the

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Speaker 2: private system that provides.

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Speaker 1: The best which is exactly what.

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Speaker 2: Exactly and so if you can just completely throw wrenches

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Speaker 2: in the in the cogs of that and destroy it

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Speaker 2: till people are so fed up with it, and then

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Speaker 2: what do they do. They turn around and blame that

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Speaker 2: It's it's the private market. It's the free, free enterprise

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Speaker 2: system that failed, though it wasn't. It was the socialized

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Speaker 2: effort to reform it that failed, and now people you

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Speaker 2: wait and see, maybe not while we're living, but maybe

468
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Speaker 2: later on people are going to end up turning to

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Speaker 2: a single pair government issued healthcare like the horrible systems

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Speaker 2: in Canada in the UK.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'll liken it. This is my next one,

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Speaker 1: Peter digital ID that the UN is calling for. That

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Speaker 1: starmer in Great Britain just last week said without the

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Speaker 1: digital without signing up for the digital ID, oh that's fine,

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Speaker 1: you won't be able to work. Oh great, So that's

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Speaker 1: happening in Great Britain.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot like the social credits and the big

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Speaker 2: Brother stuff that's going on all over the world and

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Speaker 2: was actually really gaining on us until the latest presidential election.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if we had seen Harris as president, all

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Speaker 2: this stuff would be much worse. It would be a

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Speaker 2: lot like Canada is today, I think. And you know,

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Speaker 2: the irony here is that I would be willing to

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Speaker 2: just hazard a bet that the same people who are

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Speaker 2: calling for digital ID do not.

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Speaker 1: Want ID for voting. Yeah. Well, it's like surprising. It's

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Speaker 1: like the real idea we're required to have now to

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Speaker 1: fly in a plane, commercial airplane. Yeah, real ID. Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden's administration purposely flew millions of people with no ID,

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Speaker 1: no vetting around the country in commercial jets to spaces

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Speaker 1: cities all over the country with no ID, and yet

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Speaker 1: American citizens born here, taxpayers have to show their have

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Speaker 1: to show their papers exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I think the long game there is that you

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Speaker 2: want these people without IDs so that they can vote

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Speaker 2: in elections and give a permanent majority to the demos.

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Speaker 1: The other thing about New York City, you do not

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Speaker 1: have to show an ID to vote. Boy, and the

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Speaker 1: mail in voting, I mean, it's all part of the

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Speaker 1: same thing.

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Speaker 2: I guess the Supreme Court decision on that should be

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Speaker 2: very interesting because they're going to have a test case

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Speaker 2: on mail in voting, which is one of the biggest

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Speaker 2: open doors for fraud in our election system certainly. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean a universal idea. I don't like the idea.

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Speaker 2: What's next, we get a tattoo.

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Speaker 1: The President over the weekend flipped the script turned to

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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty degrees on the Epstein files because

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Speaker 1: he saw the writing on the wall. It was going

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Speaker 1: to pass in the House, regardless of they're trying to

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Speaker 1: not get that to pass. And now the President says

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Speaker 1: he and he's always said, and I believe he has

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Speaker 1: nothing to hide as far as you know.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what the emails that have been released pedophilia

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Speaker 2: or human trafficking with Epstein go.

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Speaker 1: He kicked Epstein out of mar A Lago for his behavior,

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Speaker 1: for being such a SkELL guy. Yeah, way back when.

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Speaker 1: What I have heard from people like my Rep. Thomas

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Speaker 1: Messy is that the President was reluctant because he didn't

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Speaker 1: want some of his donors to be embarrassed. Oh well,

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Speaker 1: that's certainly a possibility. And he did say back in July.

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Speaker 1: President Trump did say back in July he said a

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Speaker 1: lot of people who did nothing wrong are going to

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Speaker 1: get dirty because they sent an email to Epstein. So

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Speaker 1: I mean there's some logic there. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So in these emails, one of the things that the

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Speaker 2: headlines that I've been reading in the Wall Street journals say,

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Speaker 2: emails are released and Trump is mentioned a lot.

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Speaker 1: Well, what it doesn't tell.

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Speaker 2: You is that in these mentions, people are coming to

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Speaker 2: Epstein and asking him if he will help them sabotage Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yes, by come on out and tell everybody how dirty was.

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Speaker 2: And Epstein is replying he didn't do anything wrong. And

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Speaker 2: Epstein hated Trump because he'd been thrown out of mar

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Speaker 2: A Lago. So if he had something to use on him,

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Speaker 2: he would have used it absolutely, And and it's impossible

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Speaker 2: to believe after all this time, after two impeachments, all

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Speaker 2: these investigations, that Jack Smith witch hunt, all of these things,

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Speaker 2: Mueller's witch hunt, that if they had something, they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: have used it.

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Speaker 1: By now what are they waiting for?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I don't think Trump personally has anything

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Speaker 2: to worry about. But yeah, I can see how some donors,

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Speaker 2: some fat cats, Bill Gates, a lot of other people

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Speaker 2: are mentioned in those Epstein files, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton,

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Speaker 2: and Hillary. Yeah, and Ohio's most wealthy resident, Les Wexner,

548
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Speaker 2: is prominently featured in there. I mean, I've read some

549
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Speaker 2: stuff about that that's really knocks your socks off. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Why did he give Jeffrey Epstein power of attorney over

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Speaker 2: his entire corporate empire?

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Speaker 1: What was going on there? Excellent question? All right, Next,

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Speaker 1: the president's campaign of war or rumored war against the

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Speaker 1: drug cartels.

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Speaker 2: What do you think I think that even what we're

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Speaker 2: seeing with the protests in Mexico City that are going on,

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Speaker 2: that even the people of Mexico are beginning to catch

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Speaker 2: on that this that has become a narco state.

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Speaker 1: And we were kind of plus go farther south. Venezuela

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Speaker 1: is a narco state, there's no question.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean Pablo Escobar ran narco state in

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Speaker 2: Central America. I mean, it was unbelievable, it was, and

563
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Speaker 2: we were kind of comfortable with that as long as

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Speaker 2: it was enough zip codes away from us and we

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Speaker 2: had enough borders between us. But then when the borders

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Speaker 2: open up and you see what it's doing to Americans

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Speaker 2: and how many have died. I mean, honestly, we're seeing

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Speaker 2: unbelievable amounts of deaths and we never read about more.

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Speaker 1: People have died of More Americans have died of fentanyl

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Speaker 1: poisoning than died in the Vietnam War in World War two, Wow,

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Speaker 1: in World War One. Wow. That's shocking, and we don't

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Speaker 1: we don't read anything about it. If you discount the

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Speaker 1: Civil War in every other war since, more Americans have

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Speaker 1: died of fentanyl poisoning than all those wars combined.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, as far as I'm concerned, we know

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Speaker 2: as long as we know that these boats are running

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Speaker 2: drugs and they're packed with drugs, and it's easy enough

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Speaker 2: to find out, and I would hope that our intelligence

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Speaker 2: gathering apparatus can determine that and make a finding, and hey,

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Speaker 2: you fool around, you find out.

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Speaker 1: Well that the one thing that we don't want is

582
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Speaker 1: obviously another Vietnam, right, an undeclared war that Congress doesn't

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Speaker 1: you know, give the ok too. And the situation with

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Speaker 1: Venezuela is it's like right there, Yeah, it's pretty close.

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Speaker 1: And Maduro obviously is a criminal who stole an election.

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Speaker 2: And running a narco state, doing his best to sabotage

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Speaker 2: our country and our security, propping as many as Americans

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Speaker 2: as possi, propping.

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Speaker 1: Up terrorist organizations like Trendy a Ragua and yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And shipping as many as possible, you know. Speaking of

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Speaker 2: that border thing, I was was of the opinion that

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Speaker 2: one of the biggest risks of the open border with

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Speaker 2: Mexico is that it relieved all the pressure on their

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Speaker 2: government to reform and clean that up, because as long

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Speaker 2: as people could vote with their feet and just leave

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Speaker 2: the country, there was never going to be any revolution

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Speaker 2: in Mexico to clean up their government and stop the extortion,

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Speaker 2: the bribery, the corruption, the narco terrorism. And now finally

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Speaker 2: that we've closed the border, look what we're seeing. We're

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Speaker 2: seeing protests in Mexico City. People are gonna they're gonna

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Speaker 2: shape things up in Mexico, I think, because they don't

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Speaker 2: have anywhere to go now right we cut off their

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Speaker 2: relief valve. Yes, steam is building up for the pressure cooker.

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Speaker 2: The lid's gonna blow off. Okay, so uh one more

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Speaker 2: uh and uh it it relates to affordability, and how

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Speaker 2: do we.

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Speaker 1: Find that again? What's the answer that so many people

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Speaker 1: are turning to the government to make things affordable government

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Speaker 1: grocery stores, of fixed rate housing and all the other

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Speaker 1: nonsense that Mom Donnie is preaching that will not work

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Speaker 1: ultimately but is attracting, especially so many younger voters. What

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Speaker 1: can be done to make things more affordable? And is

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Speaker 1: it really a self fulfilling prophecy when you see Americans

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Speaker 1: credit card debt for example, and the living beyond your means?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I had a pass talking a

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Speaker 1: sermon about how it's important for us to live within

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Speaker 1: our means. Yeah, So what's Peter Bronson's answer to affordability,

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Speaker 1: which is the new word for equity or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, first of all, I'm suspicious of that it has

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Speaker 2: become coined by the press as a way to justify

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Speaker 2: Mandami's election and say that there's this widespread dissatisfaction in

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Speaker 2: the country.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I don't either.

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Speaker 2: I think what you're talking about is New York. If

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Speaker 2: you've been to New York, you know it costs you

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Speaker 2: like fourteen to fifteen dollars for bottle of coke, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, they have an affordability crisis. We have

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Speaker 2: an affordability crisis in housing because we've had millions of

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Speaker 2: people displacing the housing for the people that are here

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Speaker 2: paying their.

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Speaker 1: Taxes, another consequence of the open border exactly.

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Speaker 2: And we've had a runaway inflation because the Biden administration

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Speaker 2: was just printing money. And so, yes, do we have

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Speaker 2: an affordability problem. Yes, I think it's heading in the

635
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Speaker 2: right direction. The other day I saw gas prices down

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Speaker 2: to two seventy eight. You know, that's a good thing.

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Speaker 2: That's that's where your affordability because fuel oil and by

638
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Speaker 2: the barrel has an effect on everything, food prices, travel, trucking,

639
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Speaker 2: everything is delivered by fuel, and so I think we're

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Speaker 2: going to see some real positive out. Scott Best was

641
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Speaker 2: on the rate on one of the talk shows over

642
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Speaker 2: the weekend and talking about how the economy, now that

643
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Speaker 2: we've got the government shut down behind us, the economy

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Speaker 2: is going to take off and things are going to

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Speaker 2: get a lot better, and I believe that's true. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: people have to be patient. I know it's hard to

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Speaker 2: say for those who are really struggling, but really a

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Speaker 2: lot of things are looking much.

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Speaker 1: We live in such an instant gratification society that will

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Speaker 1: they be patient enough whe the first or second quarter

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Speaker 1: of next year, that's the question.

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Speaker 2: And I think think the media is going to do

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Speaker 2: everything they can to make people as impatient as possible

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Speaker 2: by by beating this affordability drama, which is their new toy.

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Speaker 1: And if it's not that, it's something else. So don't

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Speaker 1: pay attention to the media.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: Read Peter's book Magical History Tour, Murder, Mystery, Buried History,

659
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Speaker 1: All about Cincinnati, plus ten places to discover Cincinnati history,

660
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Speaker 1: including Spring Grove Cemetery, the Cincinnati Police Museum. Let's see

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Speaker 1: the Heritage Village, Shearon Woods Park, and there's much much more.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's available Chili Dog Press, Yes, chilidog press dot com.

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Speaker 2: Signed copies. They're also at all of the local bookstores

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Speaker 2: and and on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: Pete thanks a lot, Hey, my pleasure, carry Jack on it.

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Speaker 1: Walter Herbs with another JFK book coming up in minutes

668
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Speaker 1: into another hour here on seven hundred WLW and joining

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Speaker 1: us lusimen for in this half hour is the author

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Speaker 1: of Yes, yet another book on the JFK assassination. And

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Speaker 1: when I say that, it doesn't mean that I'm bored

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Speaker 1: with books on the JFK assassination. It just means there

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Speaker 1: is a proliferation of them out to this day, sixty

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Speaker 1: three years or sixty two years after that day in

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Speaker 1: November that changed the nation and changed the direction of

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Speaker 1: geopolitical affairs worldwide, the assassination of a President John F. Kennedy.

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Speaker 1: This gentleman has worked extensive This is his third book

678
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Speaker 1: on JFK. He has done just piles and piles of research.

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Speaker 1: I don't even want to try and imagine the work

680
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Speaker 1: that has gone into these He's done decades of intensive,

681
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Speaker 1: comprehensive research and covering the truth behind the assassination of

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Speaker 1: JFK and related topics like the rise this is interesting,

683
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Speaker 1: the rise of the radical right in the twentieth century. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's aware of what's happening in the twenty

685
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Speaker 1: first century, the attempt to contain communism. And again the

686
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Speaker 1: first was a volume one, Volume two, it did not

687
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Speaker 1: start with JFK, the decades of events that led to

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Speaker 1: the assassination of John F. Kennedy Junior. And the latest

689
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Speaker 1: book is Last Resort Beyond Last Resort, the JFK assassination,

690
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Speaker 1: the need to protect wes Berlin, and why a second

691
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Speaker 1: invasion of Cuban never happened. Please welcome Walter Herbst And

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Speaker 1: how are you, sir.

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Speaker 4: I'm well Gary. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thanks for being had. As we like to say, now,

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Speaker 1: first and foremost, I always have to ask the motivation

696
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Speaker 1: behind wanting to do all this research and wanting to

697
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Speaker 1: write these books on something that there were so many

698
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Speaker 1: Americans who are adults today who weren't alive and maybe

699
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Speaker 1: weren't even living the first time Ronald Reagan was elected

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Speaker 1: president in this country. What's the motivation to continue to

701
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Speaker 1: do the research and to shine a light on what

702
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: you believe through your research, really happened and why it happened.

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Speaker 1: What's the deal? Sure?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well I was six years old when JFK got killed,

705
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Speaker 4: too young to have an opinion on what happened, right

706
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 4: or wrong, so accepted the Warren Report. Did that through

707
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Speaker 4: my twenties, scept did the Warren Report until a friend

708
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Speaker 4: who kept pestering me gave me a book called was

709
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 4: David Lifton's book about the autopsy in the events surrounding it.

710
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 4: And I read that and it was like it hooked me,

711
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 4: because if something's wrong, we've been lied to that there

712
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 4: was a conspiracy, there's too many questions. So from that

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Speaker 4: point on, I began researching and as I got to

714
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Speaker 4: most recent in my last book, Last Resort Beyond Last Resort,

715
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Speaker 4: which the title that comes from William Harvey, who was

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Speaker 4: in charge of CIA assassinations, and he called assassination last

717
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Speaker 4: resort beyond Last Resort, which I think applies to the

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Speaker 4: JFK assassination because where most authors or many authors who

719
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 4: think there's a conspiracy think it had to do with

720
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Speaker 4: creating an invasion of Cuba or trying to be a

721
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Speaker 4: catalyst for an invasion of Cuba. My research took me

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Speaker 4: in a different direction. Not that that's not true, that

723
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 4: is true, but there was a group that was worried

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Speaker 4: about what would happen to Berlin because if we invaded Cuba,

725
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Speaker 4: the Russians would move into Berlin and possibly jeopardized Western Europe.

726
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Speaker 4: And there was a group, as a last resort, beyond

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Speaker 4: last resort, in my opinion, killed Kennedy to prevent that

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Speaker 4: invade him from happening.

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Speaker 1: And these are CIA people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not the CIA as a group, okay, but it's

731
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Speaker 4: a group where it's at the CIA. There are a

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Speaker 4: number of individuals centered in in Europe. There was William Harvey,

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Speaker 4: who I mentioned previously, who was at one time station

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Speaker 4: chief in Berlin. There was James Angleton who became CIA

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Speaker 4: counterintelligence chief, who during World War Two was stationed in

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Speaker 4: Italy and and and afterwards as well, Frank Whizner in

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Speaker 4: various people like and others. But they're also European monarchists

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Speaker 4: or fascists. Some of them were who were ex Nazis

739
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Speaker 4: who works with the CIA following World War Two and

740
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Speaker 4: they got together and it's, you know, something that doesn't

741
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Speaker 4: just happen by accident. There's a fellow named Jean Pierre

742
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 4: Lafitte who has a date book, who's controversial. Date book

743
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 4: will grant you, but it's it's a narrative of of

744
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 4: or chronological narrative of the plot to kill JFK. And

745
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 4: I think it's real, and it follows how these individuals

746
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Speaker 4: eventually wound up directing Oswald and how they killed the

747
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Speaker 4: President of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just talked to doctor David Mantik, who has

749
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Speaker 1: done as you may may be familiar with his work,

750
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Speaker 1: He's written several JFK books and his expertise as a

751
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: doctor of radiation oncologist. In looking at the x rays,

752
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: close looks at the autobiography, x rays show that JFK

753
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: clearly was shot from the front, not as.

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Speaker 4: We were told, no doubt in my opinion. So I mean,

755
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 4: but if you look, even an issue of Life magazine

756
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 4: came out very shortly after the assassination, and keep in

757
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 4: mind that the Bruder film was not released until early

758
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Speaker 4: nineteen seventies for the public to see, so no one

759
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 4: was going to see it, right, And the author of

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Speaker 4: that article, Paul Mandel, says in Life Magazine that JFK

761
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 4: turned around and faced the sniper's nest in the sixth

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Speaker 4: floor of the Texas school Book Depository, waving to the crowd,

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Speaker 4: and was shot in the throat. And we know that

764
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Speaker 4: never happened, right, right, And he never turned around and

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Speaker 4: faced behind him. In fact, if you're there's a brutal

766
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 4: from shows him getting shot, his arms go up with

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Speaker 4: his elbows out. He's never at that point, he's not

768
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Speaker 4: waving anymore.

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Speaker 1: And they yeah, it's it's hard to weigh. It's hard

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Speaker 1: to wave when your brain dead.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's exactly I mean, it kind of. It

772
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Speaker 4: does have its limitations. Yeah, but there's so I mean, look,

773
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Speaker 4: there's so many things about just go to the evidence

774
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Speaker 4: that they found in the Texas school Book Depository that

775
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 4: they used to uh, basically convict Oswald. They say they

776
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Speaker 4: found two tively three shells on the sixth floor at

777
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Speaker 4: the sniper's nest, when they didn't they found two shells

778
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Speaker 4: and a live round on the floor. And there's a

779
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Speaker 4: photo in the Warrant Commission report that shows clearly two

780
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Speaker 4: shells and a live round. But in addition to that,

781
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Speaker 4: when the police picked up the evidence, they wrote reports

782
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Speaker 4: and they say they handed over to the FBI two

783
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Speaker 4: shells and a live round. The FBI transferred it from

784
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Speaker 4: one to another. Same thing. Jaeger Hoover wrote a report,

785
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 4: same thing. It was only until the FBI or you know,

786
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Speaker 4: and the Dallas Police found out that one of the

787
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Speaker 4: shots missed the limo hit a curb and a splinter

788
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Speaker 4: from the curb hit a bystander named James Tegg, that

789
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Speaker 4: they realized that they have one shot that that's on

790
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Speaker 4: accounts for him, because initially Hoover had said one shot

791
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Speaker 4: hit hit John Connolly, one shot hit Kennedy, had one

792
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 4: shot hit hit him in the back, and that no

793
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 4: longer so they needed the third shelf. All of a sudden,

794
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Speaker 4: Captain Fritz of the Dallas Police Department mysteriously found the

795
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Speaker 4: shell with with with a dented end on it and

796
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Speaker 4: submitted it and that became the mysterious magically the third

797
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Speaker 4: shell to explain how Kennedy was killed.

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Speaker 1: From the rear.

799
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Speaker 4: And the only thing is they never considered two assassins.

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Speaker 4: Why what what?

801
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Speaker 3: What would have been? What? What?

802
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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 1: I mean?

804
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Speaker 4: There's so much confusion about the autopsy. If you're I'm

805
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 4: sure doctor Mantin talked to me about this. But the

806
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Speaker 4: back wound, there's a back wound in Kennedy's body that

807
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Speaker 4: they could not probe. It was not a through hole. Right,

808
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 4: they'd used the probe, they used their fingers. It only

809
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 4: went so far, okay, And then they found out that

810
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 4: a bullet was found that the Commission Exhibit three ninety nine,

811
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Speaker 4: that pristine bullet, the magic bullet, was found on a stretcher.

812
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 4: They said, oh, during during the autopsy, or excuse me,

813
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Speaker 4: during the examination in Dallas, they must have done cardiac

814
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Speaker 4: massage and the bullet worked its way out and this

815
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Speaker 4: is why we have this. Well, it turned out that

816
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 4: couldn't be the case. They didn't know what tracheotomy was

817
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 4: done to Kennedy's throat and that it obliterated a bullet

818
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Speaker 4: hole that they would have seen otherwise.

819
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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: So there's so much evidence that the birch. The gun

821
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Speaker 4: was originally identified as a Mauser, not a man lyincher carcan.

822
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Speaker 4: So the police identified it as a Mauser. And this

823
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Speaker 4: is nineteen sixty three Dallas, right, so they know guns.

824
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Speaker 4: One of the police officers used to own a sporting

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Speaker 4: goods store. He wrote an affidavit very detailed, explain this

826
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Speaker 4: is a mouth.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

828
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Speaker 4: Well, eventually they found out days later that Oswald had

829
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Speaker 4: ordered a man lyncher Forrcanne, so that there was no

830
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Speaker 4: correction thing, that we were mistaken. There was no affidavid

831
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Speaker 4: following up thing. It's a man venture. For conno, they

832
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Speaker 4: just made it an lyinchri Carcana. For some reason, they

833
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 4: had this man Lee Harveyoswold had to be the killer,

834
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Speaker 4: all right, And I mean it goes on and on.

835
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Speaker 4: There's that the the scene of the Tippet murder.

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Speaker 1: You know what, let's let's let's let's let's hold right

837
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Speaker 1: there with the Tippet murder and come back. Walter Herbs

838
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Speaker 1: is our guest. The book is Last Resort, Last Resort

839
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Speaker 1: Beyond Last Resort on the JFK Assassination. I'm fascinated. I

840
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: want to know more, and we will find out more

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Speaker 1: in just a few On the nightcap on seven hundred

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00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: w l W once again talking with Walter Herps, the

843
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Speaker 1: author of Last Resort Beyond Last Resort, the JFK assassination

844
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Speaker 1: and uh and it includes the need to protect West

845
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Speaker 1: Berlin and why a second invasion of Cuba never happened.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you, Walter, is it true to that

847
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Speaker 1: perhaps our involvement in Vietnam would have been greatly reduced

848
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Speaker 1: had John F. Kennedy lived throughout his first term.

849
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Speaker 4: Well, I believe so. I mean, he was on record

850
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 4: near the end of his first term saying we have

851
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 4: to get out of Vietnam. And he said to Mike Mansfield,

852
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 4: congressional leader, that.

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Speaker 3: We have to do this.

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Speaker 4: We said the mation, damn sure, I'm re elected because

855
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 4: unless I get reelected and not going to happen. Yeah,

856
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 4: and no, Kennedy was consistent in that. And this is

857
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Speaker 4: where the Berlin angle comes into it, o getting. I mean,

858
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Speaker 4: this is something that most researchers haven't looked at, but

859
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 4: throughout Kennedy's presidency, Berlin always came up Bay of Pigs.

860
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Speaker 4: He was, you know, his advisors and said, well, you

861
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 4: know what, if we go into the Bay of Pigs,

862
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 4: Russia's might take might take Wes Berlin. Which is why

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Speaker 4: Kennedy was so careful not to involve the United States

864
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Speaker 4: directly in the invasion. Same thing with when the Berlin

865
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Speaker 4: wool went up, there were those that thought he should

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Speaker 4: we should use nuclear weapons against against against the Russians,

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Speaker 4: and of course Kennedy would never do that, and in

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Speaker 4: Vietnam as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he worried.

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Speaker 4: About whatever he does there would affect Berlin, and so

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Speaker 4: that's why he sent advisors that in never military troops.

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Speaker 4: So he knew he had to get out. And you know,

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Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty three he signed a nuclear test ban

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Speaker 4: treaty with with with with the Russians, and of course

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Speaker 4: that was after the missile crisis, and missile crisis seared

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Speaker 4: him and Khrushcheff, and so he gave them a famous

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Speaker 4: speech at American University in June nineteen sixty three where

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Speaker 4: he talked about the United States and the Russians. He said,

879
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Speaker 4: he said, we all want to protect their children's future.

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Speaker 4: We show us to jer the air we breathe I mean, basically,

881
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Speaker 4: the Russians are so moved by it that they actually

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Speaker 4: broadcast in Russia the entire speech. And so yeah, so

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Speaker 4: he was, he was, we would not have gone into Vietnam.

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Speaker 4: And that's on of present. Sure he already started. He

885
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Speaker 4: pulled a thousand men out and Robert mcnamaron, Secretary of Defense,

886
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Speaker 4: was meeting with military leaders. They give me a plan

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Speaker 4: to get out by nineteen sixty five, and they would

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Speaker 4: drag their feet and he would continue to push push

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Speaker 4: on these people. So, I mean that's just one of

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Speaker 4: the groups that Kennedy faced so much animosity against him

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Speaker 4: within the government with an outside government.

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Speaker 1: Well, to call Kennedy a Democrat in light of today's

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Speaker 1: Democrat Party, it's kind of a misnomer. He was a

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Speaker 1: very conservative man, I think, Look.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you. The definitions are conservative and the

896
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Speaker 4: liberal seems to be the same. But the definition of

897
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Speaker 4: conservative today and back then was different. Even right wing.

898
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Speaker 4: I think the definition was different. I mean right wing

899
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Speaker 4: transcended party line because there were so many factors that

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Speaker 4: went into it. Right women, basically anti communist, maybe a

901
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Speaker 4: pro segregationist, uh, racial segregationists. And so there are people

902
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Speaker 4: on both sides of the aisle that would before that

903
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Speaker 4: certainly and in those days on the left side of

904
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Speaker 4: the aisle give the disiocrats right and throughout the South

905
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Speaker 4: who were basically I mean the editor uh of of

906
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Speaker 4: of the Dallas Borne News, Deally who's who's his father

907
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Speaker 4: and grandfather Dealey Plowms was named after and right after

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Speaker 4: Kennedy became president, they went to visit him and him

909
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Speaker 4: and a number of other journalists, and he accused the

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Speaker 4: Kennedy but he said, the world is looking at you,

911
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Speaker 4: and then you're riding around on Caroline's tricycle. We need

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Speaker 4: we need, we need a white knight on a shining

913
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Speaker 4: horse to come in and take charge of things. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they did not respect the president.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm still anti communist? Am I a right winger? Then, Walter, Well,

916
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Speaker 1: if you.

917
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Speaker 4: Are, I am as well communism as from the minute

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Speaker 4: it reared its head. And go back to George Keenan

919
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Speaker 4: in the nineteen forties was an American diplomat in Moscow.

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Speaker 4: I think it was the left dr and that asked him,

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Speaker 4: give me a summary.

922
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Speaker 1: What do we have to be afraid of?

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Speaker 4: Because as the war was coming to an end, you know,

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Speaker 4: there were those that didn't trust the Russians that had

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Speaker 4: turned out rightfully. So we put together a five thousand

926
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Speaker 4: word telegram and he basically said that their objective was

927
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Speaker 4: to destroy democracy, destroyed the United States, and just put

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Speaker 4: communism and still it throughout the world.

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Speaker 1: And it's that, you know, he was Rice, Well, Walter,

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Speaker 1: that's still the plan today.

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Speaker 4: Well, very much so. I mean you can see it

932
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Speaker 4: happening in our country now that it doesn't happen like

933
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Speaker 4: in an aggressive onslought. It happens in dribs and drags,

934
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Speaker 4: and you get you just get a little bit, a

935
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Speaker 4: little bit, a little bit mixing.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's it's taken a foothold.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And now, there were there were many people in the

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Speaker 4: United States at the time Kennedy was president who thought

941
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Speaker 4: he was a communist, that anyone who tried to normalize

942
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Speaker 4: relations with Russia or China but she was willing to do,

943
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Speaker 4: considered a communist. And certainly the missile crisis, who considered

944
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Speaker 4: his greatest moment. Uh, there were those at the time

945
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Speaker 4: who looked at it and said, what are you doing.

946
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Speaker 4: You're you're agreeing to take missiles out of Turkey and

947
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Speaker 4: then the unilateral unilaterally it took them out of Italy

948
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Speaker 4: at the same time. And and you agreed with that

949
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Speaker 4: with the Castro's uh, or you agreed to never invade

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Speaker 4: Tube again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

952
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Speaker 4: So, uh, but that's that it was throughout his entire presidency,

953
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean. He was blamed that the

954
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Speaker 4: Bay of Pigs are not allowing air air sure, right,

955
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Speaker 4: So and Vietnam of course that you mentioned.

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Speaker 1: So so yeah, well real quickly, my time is now

957
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Speaker 1: limited because I probably stumbled around with too long a question, Walter.

958
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Speaker 1: But the final question is what role did Lee Harvey

959
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Speaker 1: Oswald play?

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Speaker 4: You're involved, He didn't shoot anyone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Period. The evidence we have, if you take it, we

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Speaker 4: have people on the street, sort two people up on

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Speaker 4: the sixth.

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Speaker 1: Floor, while we know Lee Harvar Oswald.

966
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Speaker 4: Was on the first floor eating lunch. And one of

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Speaker 4: the reasons that there was a person who had an

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Speaker 4: epileptic fit on the curb in front of the Texas

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Speaker 4: school Book Depository.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So when they asked some of these witnesses, when when

972
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Speaker 4: did you see these two people? And they said when

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Speaker 4: that when that person was being treated by an ambulance.

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Speaker 3: Yea.

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Speaker 4: And they heard the broadcast over the ambulances radio saying

976
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Speaker 4: that the limo was approaching daily play at such and

977
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Speaker 4: such a street, so they could narrow exactly what time

978
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Speaker 4: it was. Well, they knew at that time there's two

979
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Speaker 4: they're seeing two people upstairs and the Oswald's downstairs.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Walter Herps, the author of Last Resort Beyond Last Resort,

981
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Speaker 1: The JFK Assassination the need to protect West Berlin and

982
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Speaker 1: why a second invasion of Cuba never happened. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for your time, sir, fascinating.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for Gary. Thanks very much for having me.

985
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Speaker 4: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: You bet The Nightcap roll in minutes joining us in

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Speaker 1: this half hour. The Nightcap is the associate director of

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Speaker 1: the Epstein Justice dot Com. He has an extensive background

989
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Speaker 1: in the US Air Force as a trainer, journalist, adults educator.

990
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Speaker 1: Also served as an executive officer for the Continental Norad

991
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Speaker 1: Region Air Operations Center as a liaison between the Secretary

992
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Speaker 1: of the Air Force and US Senate appropriators. His name

993
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Speaker 1: is Peter Shin. Epstein justice is our topic, and boy,

994
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of movement in the Epstein case

995
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: and the files just in the last day or so.

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Speaker 1: Peter Shinn, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: How are you.

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Speaker 5: I'm well, Gary, Jeff thanks for having me, and you're right,

999
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Speaker 5: it's been a busy weekend in terms of action on

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01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 5: the Hill, certainly related to Jeffrey Epstein and all of

1001
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 5: the files associated with his investigation, the investigations that have

1002
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 5: been done into him.

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Speaker 1: Well more importantly, even more importantly, perhaps seeing the writing

1004
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Speaker 1: on the Wall. The President has done on one to

1005
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Speaker 1: eighty on what he thinks of the importance of the

1006
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: release of the Epstein files and has said, yes, they

1007
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Speaker 1: should all be released. That happened yesterday.

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Speaker 5: It certainly did, and it's a welcome development and one

1009
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 5: which I am delighted to see. And I think all

1010
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 5: right thinking Americans agree with the President that there's no

1011
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 5: reason that these files should be kept under lock and key.

1012
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 5: Let's put this information out into the public domain and

1013
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 5: then maybe we can get some answers to some of

1014
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 5: the questions to which we've been seeking for a long time.

1015
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 5: So from my standpoint, the President did the right thing.

1016
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 5: And maybe it's just a political thing, but I don't

1017
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 5: think so. Look, there's been no evidence that's surface that

1018
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 5: has linked President Trump to any of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes

1019
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,919
Speaker 5: other than perhaps some background non of them. And maybe

1020
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 5: that's enough for some to say that President Trump ought

1021
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 5: to be thrown out a whole sale. But from my standpoint,

1022
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 5: the reality is that President Trump is now in a

1023
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 5: position to do what I think he's always wanted to do,

1024
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 5: which is factually put to rest any of the claims

1025
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Speaker 5: that he and Jeffrey Epstein were committed any crimes together,

1026
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 5: and I don't think there's any evidence of that, and

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Speaker 5: I think President Trump, knowing that himself, finally relented. I mean, look,

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01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 5: the guy does not like to have his back pushed

1029
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 5: against the wall, and that's what this discharge peedition was doing.

1030
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 5: It was pushing his back against the wall. He doesn't

1031
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 5: like that, so it's not surprising.

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Speaker 4: That he reflexively opposed it.

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Speaker 5: But upon thinking about it, the President, a wise man

1034
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 5: in many ways, especially politically, realized that this issue was

1035
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 5: not going to be a winner for him and he

1036
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 5: needed to get on board, and he wisely did so.

1037
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Speaker 5: So I praised President Trump for his decision and think

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Speaker 5: it's only a matter of common sense.

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Speaker 1: My congressman happens to be Thomas Massey of the fourth

1040
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: District in the House of Representatives, who famously has opposed

1041
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: the Big Beautiful bill the President has called out for

1042
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Speaker 1: primar ing, and Thomas Massey is the man who pushed

1043
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Speaker 1: the petition in Congress to get these released and what

1044
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Speaker 1: has led. He's the one leading the charge. A Republican

1045
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: and a very conservative guy. And does somebody that I'm

1046
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: proud to say I voted for, but often has been

1047
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Speaker 1: in release. In the big picture, he votes with Trump

1048
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: and the Republicans ninety one percent of the time. But

1049
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: then these small issues that are amplified because of Trump's

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Speaker 1: designated importance, like the Big Beautiful Bill, he differed with

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Speaker 1: the President. And now he's been a part of this

1052
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: drive in Congress in the House to release these files,

1053
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Speaker 1: and he was successful ultimately.

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Speaker 5: Well and because ultimately it's a bottle law more than

1055
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 5: just politics here, just as you know, you know reality,

1056
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 5: the reality is that. And this is why we at

1057
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Speaker 5: Epstein Justice dot Com are pushing so hard for transparency

1058
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Speaker 5: in this matter, is because at the end of the day,

1059
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 5: it's really not about politics. It's about one ensuring that

1060
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 5: people who have been victimized by this person, who everyone

1061
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 5: agrees is perhaps one of the greatest monsters to ever

1062
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Speaker 5: emerge from American life, that the victims of this monster

1063
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Speaker 5: actually get some measure of justice. And that's really what

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Speaker 5: it boils down to. And even if that justice doesn't

1065
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Speaker 5: amount to criminal convictions for others, the least it could

1066
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Speaker 5: be is public humiliation and the public exposure of those

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Speaker 5: who were involved in Jeffrey Epstein's crimes.

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Speaker 6: Maybe it's too late to.

1069
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Speaker 5: Actually put people in jail. But it's certainly not too

1070
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 5: late for people to be exposed as the creeks and

1071
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Speaker 5: monsters that they were.

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Speaker 1: And all of all the conspiracies surrounding Jeffrey Epstein, his

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Speaker 1: life and his death, his crimes and the aftermath. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of the people who you conspiracize. I'm

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Speaker 1: a grammarian. I just made that up. I think conspiracize

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Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein didn't die in the in the prison cell,

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Speaker 1: that he's actually been whisked away somewhere because he's a

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Speaker 1: CIA CI and he's an informant, and you know, all

1079
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Speaker 1: of these other things, and the fact that President Trump

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Speaker 1: may have been a CIA informant at one time, and

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Speaker 1: the dog that hasn't barked? What do you make of

1082
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Speaker 1: all the conspiracies? Is the release of these files finally

1083
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Speaker 1: going to put an end put to bed these conspiracies

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Speaker 1: or is it going to in your opinion, is it

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Speaker 1: going to spark even more Peter?

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Speaker 6: In my opinion, it will put it to bed.

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Speaker 5: Real issue that needs to be put to bed more

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Speaker 5: than any other, Gary Jeff is not whether or not

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Speaker 5: President Trump or whether any specific person was involved in

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Speaker 5: these crimes. The real question is was a foreign government

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Speaker 5: intelligence agency behind Jeffrey Epstein and what appears to a

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Speaker 5: casual observer to be a sophisticated honeypot operation in which

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Speaker 5: he would have underage girls available to people who expressed

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Speaker 5: an interest in such.

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Speaker 1: A thing and then filmed them.

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Speaker 5: Because we all know, or perhaps maybe your listeners don't know,

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Speaker 5: but anybody who's familiar with this case knows that all

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Speaker 5: of Epstein's many properties were literally wired for sound and video,

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Speaker 5: so that he captured literally hundreds of gigabytes of files

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Speaker 5: of people interacting with the people that he was trafficking,

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Speaker 5: and those files are in the possession of the FBI.

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Speaker 5: Hundreds of gigabytes of surveillance from Jeffy that Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 5: himself commissioned on his own properties is in the hands

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Speaker 5: of the FBI. That ought to be release, obviously with

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Speaker 5: appropriate protections for victims. But there is absolutely no reason

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Speaker 5: why the surveillance materials that Jeffrey Epstein himself elected should

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Speaker 5: not be put into the public domain.

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Speaker 1: It's not a big surprise that the British Royal monarchy,

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Speaker 1: for example, has pretty much excommunicated Prince Andrew, who was

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Speaker 1: implicated in some video and has been created in the

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Speaker 1: past as one of Epstein's biggest clients. You talk about

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Speaker 1: people in other countries, in foreign countries being involved, and

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if that somehow because of diplomacy, diplomatic reasons,

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Speaker 1: the reason that Trump was perhaps shy about the release

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Speaker 1: of all the information because it may hurt us politically

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Speaker 1: with people we're trying to make deals with.

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Speaker 5: I think that that's probably true. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 5: home is that actually more important than finding out whether

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Speaker 5: or not our political system has been compromised by a

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Speaker 5: foreign intelligence honeypon operation, which is what we could be

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Speaker 5: talking about. I don't know if we're talking about that,

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Speaker 5: and that's really what it boils down to. We talk

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Speaker 5: about conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists, but what that really

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Speaker 5: means is honest people with legitimate questions that haven't been

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Speaker 5: answered because we don't have the information, because powerful people

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Speaker 5: don't want it out there because they don't want to

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Speaker 5: be embarrassed.

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Speaker 3: It really does.

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Speaker 5: It's not much more complicated than that. This is really

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Speaker 5: a story about powerful people trying to avoid being embarrassed publicly,

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01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 5: like Prince Andrew and what has Prince Andrew really suffered? Oh,

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Speaker 5: he has to move from one luxurious set of quarters

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Speaker 5: to another luxurious set of quarters. He's no longer able

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Speaker 5: to be called his Royal highness. Oh geez, what a

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Speaker 5: pity for the ex Prince. No, he says, no real

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Speaker 5: consequences of his behavior, and that's really what the problem

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Speaker 5: is here, Gary jeff I think for the average American

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Speaker 5: is that there's been zero accountability for any of Epstein's crimes,

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Speaker 5: and now we can't have accountability from Epstein. Maxwell is

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Speaker 5: in for summer eason, getting some kind of cushy treatment

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Speaker 5: in the least severe federal prison that you.

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Speaker 4: Can be sent to.

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Speaker 5: And so there's just a sense that, like so much

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Speaker 5: else in American life over the past twenty thirty years,

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01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 5: that there's simply no accountability for people, especially wealthy people, who.

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Speaker 6: Appear to be able to do whatever they want and get.

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Speaker 1: Away with it. That's all part of the continuing class war, really, Petershin,

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Speaker 1: if you will indulge me, hang on for one moment

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Speaker 1: or two, we'll take a break and come back and

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Speaker 1: wrap this up. Peter Shin as our guest from the

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Speaker 1: Epstein Justice dot Com, and it looks it looks like

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01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: we're closer and closer getting some justice and some answers.

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Speaker 1: It's the nightcap and we'll be right back on seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW.

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 1: Our discussion is with Peter Shin for the next few

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Speaker 1: minutes from Epstein Justice dot Com. He is the associate

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Speaker 1: director thereof And Peter, I understand, just off topic for

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Speaker 1: a moment, you have a quite an extensive career in broadcasting,

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Speaker 1: which almost fascinates me. I've been in this business now

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Speaker 1: for longer than I want to mention, forty five years,

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Speaker 1: and you were actually in farm broadcasting. Tell me about that,

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Speaker 1: just for a minute or two.

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Speaker 5: Well, sure, I was an agricultural broadcaster. I got into

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Speaker 5: that kind of role by accident. I answered an ad

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Speaker 5: in a newspaper that's a true story about in nineteen

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Speaker 5: ninety six, and they were looking at the time for

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Speaker 5: a part time farm assistant. And I didn't know anything

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Speaker 5: really about production agriculture. I'd spent some time working in

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Speaker 5: the fields as a kid in New Mexico and in Ohio,

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Speaker 5: but I start never run a farm. But what I

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Speaker 5: found out is that agriculture is an absolutely fascinating industry.

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Speaker 5: And of course it's one that is absolutely vital to

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Speaker 5: this nation because without a farmer, you don't eat. And

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Speaker 5: so I really enjoyed that aspect of my life. But

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Speaker 5: I was also an Air Force Air National guardsman, and

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Speaker 5: so I had an opportunity at a certain point to

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Speaker 5: leave my career in farm broadcasting to go return to

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Speaker 5: active duty. And that's ultimately what I.

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Speaker 3: Chose to do.

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Speaker 1: Oh God bless you. You know, you were a farm broadcaster,

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Speaker 1: agricultural broadcaster in Iowa, which is my birth state, and

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Speaker 1: I come from farm stock, although I never picked up

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Speaker 1: the plow myself, so that kind of is near and

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Speaker 1: dear to my heart. In two thousand and eight, you

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Speaker 1: were selected to provide leadership, communications, problem solving, and critical

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Speaker 1: thinking skills which sometimes are sadly lacking in our society

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Speaker 1: for various reasons today at the US Air Force Officer

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Speaker 1: Training School, and then you deployed to the Iowa National Guard, right.

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Speaker 6: Well, something like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a complicated.

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Speaker 5: Our military is more complicated than most people imagine, right.

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Speaker 5: So we have an active duty component, we have an

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Speaker 5: air national Guard component or are a national Guard component

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Speaker 5: Army and air, and we also have a reserve component.

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Speaker 5: At least many of the services do. And so if

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Speaker 5: you're a service member and you're on active duty, that

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Speaker 5: means one thing. If you're in the reserves that means another.

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Speaker 5: And so really what happened was I was in the

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Speaker 5: Iowa National Guard and then I got a chance to

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Speaker 5: go on active duty. Now I'm still affiliated with the

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Speaker 5: Iowa National Guard, but now I'm in the Air National

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Speaker 5: Guard of the United States, operating under Title ten, which

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Speaker 5: is all complicated, and what it really means is that, hey,

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Speaker 5: you've been put on active duty, but you're still in

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Speaker 5: the Guard. You're not a regular Air Force member. So

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Speaker 5: there are these kind of administrative nuances that really don't

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Speaker 5: mean anything.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day.

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Speaker 5: You're still on active duty, you're still wearing the uniform,

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Speaker 5: you're still getting a check. But I was never disaffiliated

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Speaker 5: with the Iowa National Guard, if.

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Speaker 4: That makes sense.

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Speaker 5: But what happened was, yeah, I went back I trained

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Speaker 5: officer candidates. The Iowa Guard called me up and said, hey, look,

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Speaker 5: we got a big army deployment and we have a

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Speaker 5: public affairs position that we need somebody to take with

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Speaker 5: this little tiny agribusiness unit that's going to Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: Would you be interested?

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Speaker 5: And I said, well, I've never been a public affairs officer,

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Speaker 5: but I know a lot about agricultural and broadcasting and

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Speaker 5: I know how important this mission is.

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Speaker 1: And I'd be happy to do it.

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Speaker 5: And so I went and interviewed with the Army six

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Speaker 5: who was running the mission, the Agribusiness Development Team, and

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Speaker 5: I convinced him that I could do the job, and

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Speaker 5: so he brought me along and that's how it went.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get back to Epstein Justice for just a moment.

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Speaker 1: The victims themselves. Is there any e idea how many

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Speaker 1: there may be, and how many may still be alive?

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Speaker 1: And how would they be made whole by the release

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Speaker 1: of this information?

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Speaker 5: These are good questions. I will tell you that the

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Speaker 5: Department of Justice estimates Jeffrey Epstein's victims to number more

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Speaker 5: than a thousand. Now that's apporting to the Department of Justice,

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Speaker 5: and I believe that to be a roughly accurate figure.

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Speaker 5: We're talking about hundreds and hundreds potentially of children and

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Speaker 5: also some young adults who were harmed very seriously by

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Speaker 5: Jeffrey Epstein and Galaine Maxwell and their associates. How would

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Speaker 5: the release of this information help make victims whole. Well,

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Speaker 5: first of all, it might help them feel as if

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Speaker 5: the federal government was actually interested in justice for them

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Speaker 5: and it is less interested in covering it up. That

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Speaker 5: might be one way in which they might feel less

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Speaker 5: like victims and more like people who are supported by

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Speaker 5: their own government. That would be one critical factor that

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Speaker 5: I think would be very helpful to victims. And it's

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Speaker 5: worth noting Gary Jeff that Epstein victims themselves are calling

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Speaker 5: for the release of this information, and they're calling for

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Speaker 5: it because of the very reasons that I've said, How

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Speaker 5: can they possibly get to any kind of closure when

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Speaker 5: in fact, the reason that alex Acosta in testimony before

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Speaker 5: the House Oversight Committee, and alex Acosta is the one

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Speaker 5: time US attorney and current director of Newsmax who made

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Speaker 5: the agreement with Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys that allowed Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 5: to go essentially unpunished for a child sex trafficking network

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Speaker 5: that the Palm Beach Police had him dead.

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Speaker 6: De Rives to.

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Speaker 5: Well, alex Acosta made the deal that let him basically

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Speaker 5: walk free. But and what alex Aposta has said is

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Speaker 5: that the reason we didn't prosecute him is because the.

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Speaker 6: Victims are liars.

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Speaker 1: That's what he said.

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Speaker 5: We didn't believe them, we didn't believe they could testify effectively.

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Speaker 6: We didn't believe the victims.

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Speaker 5: That's what Alex Aposta has testified to.

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Speaker 6: Well, if we get this information.

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Speaker 5: Out there, maybe, just maybe we might believe the victims

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Speaker 5: in this case.

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Speaker 6: And the thing is that this is the thing, Gary, Jeff.

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Speaker 5: The American people all ready do believe the victims. It's

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Speaker 5: just that the huge problem that we have in the

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Speaker 5: country is that, for reasons unclear, the federal government at

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Speaker 5: this point, and specifically the executive branch, have not been

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Speaker 5: willing to comply with the will of the American people

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Speaker 5: to disclose this information up until now. President Trump let

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Speaker 5: the effort to propose it. Now he says, let's get

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Speaker 5: it out there, and I say, yes, President Trump, let's

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Speaker 5: do it.

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Speaker 1: Well. I mean, hasn't even been in office a whole year.

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Speaker 1: He's accomplished a whole lot in less than a year

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Speaker 1: as president. And this will be added to those kudos

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Speaker 1: if it all goes as planned and we get this

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Speaker 1: you know, this closure, whatever that may mean for whomever. Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Justice dot Com is the website and the place where

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Speaker 1: you can find more of the work that Peter Shin

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Speaker 1: and his group of folks who care about the victims

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Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein and want justice are doing, and you

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Speaker 1: can find out more there anything else real quickly to add.

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Speaker 5: Peter, well, I know this is a crass but you

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Speaker 5: know we're a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization. We're not interested in

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Speaker 5: taking political sides on this. We just think it's the

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Speaker 5: right thing to do for everybody. But we could use money,

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Speaker 5: so if you'd like to donate, we'd welcome that too.

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Speaker 1: All right, fantastic, Thanks for your time tonight.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Gary Jeffson, always good to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Sir Peter Shin Epstein Justice dot Com just afternoons

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Speaker 1: a man who has spent extensive time in Ukraine and

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Speaker 1: is going back again. We'll find out why, and we'll

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Speaker 1: find about his connections to this country. Doctor Jim Waite

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Speaker 1: is next on the Nightcap into yet another hour of

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Speaker 1: this Nightcap on Monday, November seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Our

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Speaker 1: next guest is a guy that I had the pleasure

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01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 1: of meeting several years ago. He was an acquaintance of

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01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 1: someone that came into the bar while I was bartending

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01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:47,560
Speaker 1: late the late Jim Sawyer or saw Bones, and we

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01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: both knew him as quite the character. But he introduced

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01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 1: me to doctor Jim Waite at that time, and he

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01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: had been on this program in the past. It's been

1310
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 1: a few years, but he popped back up at the

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01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 1: bar last week and I said, you know, we're doing

1312
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: another conversation on the radio on my show, Jim, what

1313
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:11,560
Speaker 1: do you think? And he was agreeable to that, and

1314
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Speaker 1: he has a lot to report back from Ukraine and

1315
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: he is going back to Ukraine tomorrow to continue the

1316
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 1: work that he has been doing there over a span

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Speaker 1: of several years. He is the head of Laser Care

1318
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: of Northern Kentucky. With Laser Care of Northern Kentucky, his

1319
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: history was as a dentist. He quit the dentistry finally

1320
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,640
Speaker 1: and he is doing fine work now for people with

1321
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: no downtime, no surgery, for all kinds of melodies that

1322
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: affect many of us. And it's great to have him

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Speaker 1: on the show once again. Doctor Jim Waite, how are.

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Speaker 3: You hey, I'm great, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the first time that we ever talked, you talked

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01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 1: to me about you were headed to Ukraine because your

1327
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 1: wife was from Ukraine and she was working with family

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01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 1: there and kind of stuck, and you were making multiple

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01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 1: trips to Ukraine as a result of that, and it

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01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: became your second home country. Basically, you talked about the

1331
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 1: corruption in politics. You know, you think that we're rife

1332
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,439
Speaker 1: with corruption in this country, and we are, but nothing

1333
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: like what happened or has happened in Ukraine over the years.

1334
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: And then President President Zelenski got a rude wake up

1335
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 1: call when President Putin of Russia decided that he wanted

1336
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: Ukraine back for Mother Russia. And we're in the middle

1337
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: of this embroiled, inness, awful war of aggression by Russia

1338
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 1: and the Ukrainians right and ability to defend themselves, and

1339
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,920
Speaker 1: he's been right there watching it all happen in real time.

1340
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Speaker 1: So number one, doctor Waite, is is this a winnable

1341
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 1: war by Ukraine from the standpoint of driving the Russians out?

1342
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: Do you think?

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01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,759
Speaker 3: Well, if you remember back when we talked and Putin

1344
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 3: was massing troops, I said he wouldn't have I said

1345
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 3: he won't invade because I know the Ukrainians and there's

1346
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 3: just going to be a lot of dead Russians. Well,

1347
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,879
Speaker 3: he invaded and now there's a lot of dead Russians.

1348
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:37,839
Speaker 3: And I just read another a blog in a Russian

1349
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,679
Speaker 3: blog today from a guy named Strelkov igor Gerkin. He's

1350
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 3: the guy that led the whole thing in twenty fourteen

1351
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 3: when they first took over to don Bass in Crimea,

1352
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 3: and he's just going off on how they just they

1353
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 3: have to totally dismantle Ukraine and split it up between

1354
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 3: Poland and Romania and Hungary and then take what they want.

1355
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 3: So the Russians are, you know, full bore all in

1356
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 3: on this thing. The Ukrainians, I don't know that they

1357
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 3: can win, but the Russians certainly aren't. They're losing tons

1358
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 3: of people. And I told you the story about the

1359
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:21,920
Speaker 3: one soldier I know that's thirty two, and he was

1360
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 3: telling about being at Bakmut and he had seven guys

1361
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 3: in his group and another five guys defending a strong point,

1362
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 3: and just as like you and I are talking, or

1363
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 3: we're talking the bar or something, and he said, yeah,

1364
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 3: the Russians start coming in, we'd start killing them, and

1365
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 3: then they'd come again and we'd kill some more, and

1366
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 3: we might kill five hundred in a day. Wow. Just

1367
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:42,640
Speaker 3: kind of like that.

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01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 1: You know, well, the great, the great, tell the great

1369
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 1: story you told me about the guy who was he

1370
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: now he was off duty and you asked him if

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01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: he would re up.

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01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 3: And what did he say? Yeah?

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01:23:58,840 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 1: What did he say?

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01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, he actually saved his own life with this

1375
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 3: thing called a sick tournament turnique si c h. It's

1376
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 3: a Kassack word. And then the people that I work

1377
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 3: with rehabbed his arm to ninety five percent used when

1378
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 3: the doctors said he'd never use it again. But he's

1379
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:24,040
Speaker 3: finally discharged, but he said, I'm signing back up when

1380
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 3: we go to Moscow. So, you know, great expectations. You

1381
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:38,680
Speaker 3: can't imagine how much people hate the Russians. And these

1382
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:41,600
Speaker 3: were their brothers, you know, they all get family and

1383
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,680
Speaker 3: people in Russia. The one girl that moved here that

1384
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 3: had run the orphanage outside of Kiev when they were

1385
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 3: shelling her village, Shiv out of Patrisk and she talked

1386
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 3: to her family in Leningrad, Leningrad, Saint Petersburg and they said, Natalia,

1387
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 3: we're coming to and she says, what do you mean,

1388
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 3: We're coming to rescue you from the Nazis and the

1389
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 3: fascist And she said, if you want to rescue me,

1390
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 3: stop showing me.

1391
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. And what is life like on what

1392
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:18,640
Speaker 1: is life like on the ground for the people in

1393
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 1: Ukraine where.

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01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 3: You are, Oh, in Kiev, it's almost normal until there's

1395
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 3: an air raid or a blackout. Now, a year ago

1396
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 3: when I was there, there was a blackout almost every day,

1397
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 3: and most of them were scheduled because they were doing

1398
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 3: repair work from bombings and so they you know, he

1399
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 3: had have a four hours in some cases you'd have

1400
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 3: to a day, and they were scheduled. And then now then,

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01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 3: until just the last couple of weeks, the Russians hadn't

1402
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 3: affected the electrical grid, and even then things were pretty

1403
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 3: much normal. All the restaurants bought generators and had them

1404
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 3: sitting on the sidewalk, and if there was a black out,

1405
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 3: they turned the generator on and people kept eating. So

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01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 3: it was, you know, for intents and purposes, it was

1407
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 3: pretty normal.

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01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's been a lot, a lot of

1409
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: destruction in the eastern part of the country.

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01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 3: Obviously they're a brick on a brick, Yeah, it's it's

1411
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 3: and they've destroyed the water canals, they've start destroyed the

1412
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 3: water pipes the Russians. Where the Russians have taken over

1413
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 3: in Donetsk, they're having to bring in water trucks. People

1414
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,959
Speaker 3: go without water, they're going to be without heat.

1415
01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:34,599
Speaker 4: In some cases.

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01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 3: It's going to be it's a true disaster. And the

1417
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 3: Russians they're just brutal, and they're brutal to their own people,

1418
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 3: and they don't really take care of the citizenry.

1419
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: Well, you also told me that the Russian army is

1420
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 1: not comp comprised of people from Moscow or St. Petersburg.

1421
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:03,599
Speaker 1: It's from all the various regions that Russia has taken over.

1422
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: And there are Muslims and there are other groups of

1423
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 1: people just being thrown in like cannon fodder by Putin.

1424
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, a lot of Doorats from which are Buddhists

1425
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 3: from out around like the Call, and then others, and

1426
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:21,560
Speaker 3: then you get the Muslims, and then you get you know,

1427
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 3: they got like one hundred and twenty nationalities and languages

1428
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 3: and things, and so the actual Moscow people casualties are

1429
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 3: like less than one ten percent, and they all pretty

1430
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 3: much exempt themselves. And then what they do is they

1431
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 3: offer these huge bonuses for signing up. They got seventy

1432
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 3: year old guys signing up. Now, guys, they're walking with

1433
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 3: a cane and they're figuring, Hey, I'm going to set

1434
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 3: my family up. I'm going to get this big bonus.

1435
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 3: And then what they find out is they steal your

1436
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 3: money and it's on an EBT card and they deal them.

1437
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 3: The commanders steal the money, and then when you're dead,

1438
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 3: they don't collect the bodies, and so there's no benefit.

1439
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 3: We don't know what happened the poor old Igor, you know,

1440
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 3: so we can't pay you.

1441
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: So they're lying. They're lying to them to get more

1442
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,440
Speaker 1: bodies to throw into the meat grinder at the Ukrainians.

1443
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and now they're playing paying police and other people

1444
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:29,680
Speaker 3: recruitment bonuses. So they're going and getting alcoholics and all

1445
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 3: kinds of guys off the street and they thing you

1446
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 3: pass out on the street, and they thing, you know,

1447
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 3: you're in the army. That's what they're fighting with now.

1448
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 3: And the other thing is the commanders capture places on

1449
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 3: what they call captured on credit. They send the guy

1450
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 3: out with a flag, he plants the flag, they take

1451
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:51,080
Speaker 3: a picture, they report that they captured this village and

1452
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 3: they get a bonus. Well, once the Ukrainians see that

1453
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 3: published that, well, now you have to take it. So

1454
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 3: the Ukrainians bulk it up. And now you're really good

1455
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 3: casualties because you have to take it.

1456
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,000
Speaker 1: But what do you what do you think the casualty

1457
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: rate is you're talking about all of the dead Russians. Uh,

1458
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 1: Are there equal casualties on on the Ukrainian side?

1459
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 3: Kim No, No, it's maybe one third to one fourth

1460
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 3: on the Ukrainian side.

1461
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,880
Speaker 1: That can't be That can't really, they're still really high.

1462
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:29,919
Speaker 1: That can't be good for Putin ultimately with the Russian people, can't.

1463
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 3: You You would think so. But you know, there's nobody

1464
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 3: better at suffering than the Russians. They got a real, uh,

1465
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 3: real knack for suffering. You know, you see those commercials

1466
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 3: on TV of the grandmothers and the really horrible conditions

1467
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 3: and and raising money for him, and and you go

1468
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,760
Speaker 3: throughout Ukraine and Russia and those places are real. You

1469
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 3: in almost any village outside of a city, and you

1470
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:07,080
Speaker 3: know you've got some conditions like that. So these these

1471
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 3: are hard people, both were Ukrainians and Russians. You know,

1472
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 3: I told you the story of the grandfather that was

1473
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 3: living in his basement and the Russians are coming and

1474
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 3: the Ukrainians are pleading with him to leave, and he says,

1475
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 3: I'm not leaving and they go that disco. The Russians

1476
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 3: will come and kill you, and he says if they

1477
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 3: kill me, they'll know they killed the Ukrainian.

1478
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 1: In other words, he's ready to fight to his last

1479
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 1: breath to defend us home.

1480
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll go down with the with the ship, but

1481
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 3: we're taking a bunch of them with us.

1482
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 1: Talking to doctor Jim Waite on the Nightcap, who was

1483
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 1: heading back to Ukraine tomorrow, we'll talk about some of

1484
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 1: the work he has been doing there with all of

1485
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: the casualties and the wounds that are happening and do

1486
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 1: happen in battle. And there's a new technique that is

1487
01:30:56,840 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 1: being used that's been around for a long time. But

1488
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 1: maybe American doctors could take a page out of the

1489
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 1: Ukrainian playbook when it comes to what we're going to

1490
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: speak of next. Doctor Jim Wait with us on the

1491
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: Nightcap back in a moment, we are talking to doctor

1492
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: Jim Wait, who's from northern Kentucky and is headed back

1493
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:24,639
Speaker 1: to is the second home country, Ukraine tomorrow. Doctor Jim

1494
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:29,040
Speaker 1: there is a technique that you told me has been

1495
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:33,640
Speaker 1: used in dentistry, uh, for implants and the like, but

1496
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 1: not in medical surgery for wounds. And you guys are

1497
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 1: successfully using in Ukraine from for folks coming off the

1498
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 1: battlefield and the wounds there. It's called p RF or

1499
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: fight Yeah, okay, And what what is this and why

1500
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 1: is it so crucial a specially you know a war

1501
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 1: zone or where people are treating these these wounds trying

1502
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 1: to save limbs and the like. What what makes it

1503
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: so special?

1504
01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 3: Well, people might be familiar with platelet rich plasma, which

1505
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 3: major league pictures and people have been injecting in their

1506
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 3: elbows for a long time. But the platelet rich plasma

1507
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:27,240
Speaker 3: has an antiquigulant, and so you draw all the patient's blood,

1508
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 3: you put in the antiquagulant to keep it liquid. But

1509
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,600
Speaker 3: because it doesn't clot, it only lasts a couple of

1510
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:38,600
Speaker 3: days if you leave the fiber and it will clot eventually,

1511
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 3: and then we get an effect for up to fourteen days,

1512
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 3: and then there's another way we can extend it to

1513
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 3: even four to six months. So what happens is this

1514
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 3: fibrin traps platelets and white blood cells and other healing

1515
01:32:56,479 --> 01:33:00,799
Speaker 3: elements and proteins and different things, and then it slowly

1516
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 3: releases them, kind of like a drip irrigation to a plant.

1517
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 3: So for fourteen days you're getting this drip irrigation of

1518
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 3: all your stuff, and it's highly concentrated. So imagine taking

1519
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,560
Speaker 3: everything that God gave your body to heal with and

1520
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 3: concentrating it by a factor of four and then being

1521
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 3: able to inject it or put it right where you

1522
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:25,960
Speaker 3: want it to be to promote healing. So it's really

1523
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 3: great stuff. The drawback to it is because there's no anticoagulants.

1524
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 3: You have to draw the blood and get it into

1525
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 3: a centrifuge in ninety seconds, and that's the drawback why

1526
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 3: it's one of the big drawbacks why it isn't used

1527
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 3: much in medicine. In a dental office, you know, you've

1528
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 3: got a small office, you can walk across the office

1529
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 3: and put it in a centrifuge, And for dentists that

1530
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 3: are doing implants or periosurgery or those kinds of things,

1531
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 3: it's like the best insurance ever. You get great healing

1532
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:58,920
Speaker 3: and it costs five dollars. You know, you've got a

1533
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 3: couple of testtoos in a collection kit and he got

1534
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:06,759
Speaker 3: some special centrifuge and some other things. But for sports

1535
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:12,640
Speaker 3: injuries joints, injecting joints. Doctor Robert Tallick in Houston. He

1536
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:17,600
Speaker 3: came to the dental conferences from doctor Rick Myron is

1537
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:19,919
Speaker 3: the guy that did most of the research and pioneered

1538
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 3: this when he was in burn, Switzerland, and he's been

1539
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 3: in Florida teaching it for about five years now. And

1540
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 3: doctor Tallick went into the dental conferences, didn't tell anybody

1541
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:34,920
Speaker 3: he was an MD. And he's just been named orthopedic

1542
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:36,880
Speaker 3: to the Olympic team, and I've talked to him a

1543
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 3: number of times and he said he's reduced his surgeries

1544
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 3: by eighty percent using injections. So if you look at

1545
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 3: war wounds, they're always dirty, there's sometimes there's missing tissue.

1546
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 3: You can't sell them back together. Sometimes you don't want

1547
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 3: us so stitch them back together. So you can actually

1548
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 3: make membranes, or you can do injections of affected areas

1549
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 3: with the platelet rich FIBERN and it speeds up healing

1550
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 3: and then also has an antibacterial effects. So it's just

1551
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 3: great stuff and it's easy to use, and it's the

1552
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 3: patient's own blood. You don't have to worry about any

1553
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 3: kind of reactions or any other things. So that's what

1554
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 3: we're teaching over there, and they've been very they've been

1555
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 3: very good at picking up on it and finding ways

1556
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 3: to use it. And I'm like, hey, guys, I don't

1557
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 3: know what you did. You're orthopedics. I'm a dentist. I

1558
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 3: don't you know. Tell me. I can tell you all

1559
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:36,800
Speaker 3: about PRF, but you're going to have to tell me

1560
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:37,560
Speaker 3: how you use it.

1561
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:42,880
Speaker 1: Well, that mean great work. If more surgeons in this

1562
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 1: country could adopt that, it wouldn't cost much to put

1563
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 1: a centrifuge within walking distance of where they draw the

1564
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 1: blood for the patient. Maybe the problem is it only

1565
01:35:55,360 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 1: costs five dollars and the insurance companies and if pharmaceutical

1566
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 1: companies aren't going to get great big kickbacks and make

1567
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 1: a lot of money of it, is that is that

1568
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 1: really the issue?

1569
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 3: Well, that could be part of it. Nobody it had.

1570
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 3: It's an orphan in that sense, it has no uh

1571
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 3: you know, parent to push it.

1572
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 4: Uh.

1573
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,880
Speaker 3: Now that if you look at the website that I

1574
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 3: have tubes for Life dot o RG all one word

1575
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:29,560
Speaker 3: tubes for life, there's about five results on there, and

1576
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 3: they're all wound healing results with most of them are

1577
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:38,040
Speaker 3: diabetics or with toes. So the people that are having

1578
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 3: having amputations and things, there's these pictures are right there

1579
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:45,839
Speaker 3: on the on the website of people that were scheduled

1580
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:49,600
Speaker 3: for amputations and they're healed. They don't need an amputation.

1581
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 3: They just needed some some treatment more than what they

1582
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 3: were getting.

1583
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:54,639
Speaker 4: So it's.

1584
01:36:56,320 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 1: And for you know, for whatever reason.

1585
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 3: Uh you know, uh, the dentists know it, like I said,

1586
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 3: because anything you do, if you're doing any kind of surgery,

1587
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 3: you look great. Many it healed. Yeah, you know, it's

1588
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:13,240
Speaker 3: like the best insurance policy ever for five bucks.

1589
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, you were showing me pictures of these gravy

1590
01:37:18,120 --> 01:37:23,600
Speaker 1: sucking wounds on people's bodies, on their feet and on

1591
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 1: their hands and on their toes, and then the progression

1592
01:37:27,479 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 1: of the healing is just amazing. With a simple injection.

1593
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 3: Some people, yeah, some people are on in some cases

1594
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 3: making a membrane and just laying the membrane over it.

1595
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 3: As if you take the liquid PRF and you put

1596
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:42,560
Speaker 3: it in a form or just a tray with a

1597
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 3: form and let it set for fifteen minutes it'll form,

1598
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:51,280
Speaker 3: it'll it will colt eventually, and you have this really

1599
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 3: nice membrane that you can take out and just lay

1600
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:54,480
Speaker 3: over the wound.

1601
01:37:55,800 --> 01:38:01,080
Speaker 1: And it becomes healthy human skin again ultimately.

1602
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1603
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing, It truly is.

1604
01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 3: And in the joints, the I work with the Institute

1605
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 3: of Traumatology and Archipedics in Kiev and they've had tremendous

1606
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 3: results injecting joints so where you were so where you

1607
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 3: might be injecting joints with steroids, they're injecting them with t.

1608
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 1: R F tubes for life dot org t U B

1609
01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:29,639
Speaker 1: E s F O r L I f E dot org,

1610
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 1: where you can see the pictures and see the results

1611
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 1: of this incredible PRF therapy that doctor Jim Wade is

1612
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 1: now doing in Ukraine with the orthopedics and UH and

1613
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 1: helping people fresh off the battlefield in that wartim country.

1614
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 1: I wish you godspeed and come back to us safe

1615
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 1: and and I hope you'll be able to phone in

1616
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 1: an update soon. But are time's done tonight, dot.

1617
01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 3: Well, we may have a you may have an international

1618
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,719
Speaker 3: correspond That would be awesome.

1619
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 1: That would be awesome. We'll work it out, Doctor Jim

1620
01:39:05,120 --> 01:39:10,600
Speaker 1: Waite of Again Laser Care of Northern Kentucky and Tubesfolife

1621
01:39:10,680 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: dot Org on his way back to Ukraine to help

1622
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 1: in a time of trauma and war. Wow, the wild

1623
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:24,639
Speaker 1: Man is coming up next round and third heading for home.

1624
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 1: As the old left Hander used to say, Only I'm

1625
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: not the old left hander, and he's not Marty Brenneman.

1626
01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 1: He's the wild Man. Gary Jeff Walker with you as

1627
01:39:33,160 --> 01:39:37,160
Speaker 1: we close out this Monday night cap. It's time for

1628
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:44,479
Speaker 1: the wild Man's Corner of Goo. The Goo continues through

1629
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,880
Speaker 1: a horrible Bengals season, and but there are other things

1630
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,000
Speaker 1: to discuss, and we're going to discuss other things for

1631
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:52,800
Speaker 1: a moment first tonight. Hello wild Man, how are you.

1632
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 6: I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm in a good mood.

1633
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 6: I'm in a good mood.

1634
01:39:57,640 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well we'll find out what that's all about

1635
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:04,280
Speaker 1: here in just a second. I guess we were talking

1636
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:08,439
Speaker 1: last week about the Reds Hall of Fame and how

1637
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 1: the choices that we were given were number one, way

1638
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:17,200
Speaker 1: too extensive and did not include and maybe he should

1639
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 1: have included some people in particular, and one of those

1640
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 1: people was the long serving clubhouse manager. Bernie Stowe. Well

1641
01:40:28,520 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 1: you sent me this today. He's been honored in twenty

1642
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:35,719
Speaker 1: twenty five in the MLB Clubhouse Manager's Hall of Fame.

1643
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 1: Why is he not in the Reds Hall of Fame?

1644
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:38,599
Speaker 1: Wild Man?

1645
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 6: Well, that's a very good question, Gary, Jeff. This goes

1646
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 6: back to when Marty Brenahan was inducted into the Baseball

1647
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame and wasn't inducted to the Reds Hall

1648
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 6: of Fame. And the eventually was Bernie can't be nominated

1649
01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 6: because he wasn't a player. It's only for players and executives.

1650
01:40:57,080 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 6: But again, you know Marty was was, if finally inducted

1651
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:02,719
Speaker 6: into the Reds Hall of Fame, and this is where

1652
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:05,880
Speaker 6: Bernie Stowe should be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

1653
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 6: He is one of just seven inaugural equipment managers honored

1654
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 6: this year. I mean this is the first time honor

1655
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:16,040
Speaker 6: and he has one of seven guys. I saw the

1656
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 6: old Cubs clubhouse manager, Josh Kuano. If you remember Yosh,

1657
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 6: sometimes you would see him in the dugout wearing one

1658
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 6: of those bucket hats, and he had been a quip

1659
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:28,719
Speaker 6: manager for the Cubs forever. But Bernie forty five years

1660
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:31,600
Speaker 6: as the Reds clubhouse manager. He's seen it all. And

1661
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 6: on top of that, before that, Gary Jeff, he was

1662
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 6: the Reds batboy. I've got baseball cards of him as

1663
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:39,600
Speaker 6: the bat boy back in the fifties before he was

1664
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 6: even clubhouse manager. So it's way overdue. The redinue go

1665
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:44,560
Speaker 6: wake it up, wake up, get their heads out of

1666
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:48,000
Speaker 6: their butts. And then dug Bernie Stowe this year into

1667
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 6: the Reds Hall of Fame. I go to Reds and

1668
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:53,519
Speaker 6: when I go to redsvest in January, I'm gonna be

1669
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:55,880
Speaker 6: raising hell about that to a few Reds officials when

1670
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 6: I see him.

1671
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:00,160
Speaker 1: He was a part of four World Series winners at

1672
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 1: the Reds in nineteen seventy and.

1673
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:06,160
Speaker 6: Then the seventy five, seventy six to ninety.

1674
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:09,920
Speaker 1: Yes, so I mean he and he played an integral role.

1675
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 1: Everybody knew Bernie Stowe, and Bernie Stowe was the man

1676
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 1: who made sure the players had what they needed, equipment

1677
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 1: wise and just player comfort wise. Anything he could do

1678
01:42:21,080 --> 01:42:23,760
Speaker 1: for the Reds he was there to do and he

1679
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:27,880
Speaker 1: always did. And it's it's a family legacy that extends

1680
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:28,599
Speaker 1: to this day.

1681
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:33,639
Speaker 6: I got no argument from me, man like I said,

1682
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:38,599
Speaker 6: I mean forty five years he saw it all. If

1683
01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:40,640
Speaker 6: he wrote a book, it would have been a New

1684
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 6: York Times bestseller of the stuff that he saw. But

1685
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 6: he kept his mouth shut. You know, you know, what

1686
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,000
Speaker 6: says in the club what says in the clubhouse stays

1687
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,679
Speaker 6: in the clubhouse. I mean, you know the beat Rose scandal.

1688
01:42:50,520 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 6: Who knows what else went on and went on, and

1689
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:55,759
Speaker 6: we'll never know about that. Bernie took to his grave,

1690
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:59,919
Speaker 6: but he really deserves to be and this should catapault.

1691
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:02,720
Speaker 6: This should catapault Bernie into the Reds Hall of Fame

1692
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 6: with this induction and Cooper Center really should they should.

1693
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:08,280
Speaker 1: Well, if the Reds Hall of Fame is only eligible

1694
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:12,560
Speaker 1: for players in management, why is Marty Brenneman in he wellness.

1695
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:16,040
Speaker 6: There you go. Then they follally well because Marty Brenneman

1696
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:18,800
Speaker 6: got into the Baseball Hall of Fame first, Then the

1697
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 6: Reds went, well, wait a minute, he should be in

1698
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 6: our Hall of Fame, right, And then they made the

1699
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:25,760
Speaker 6: right choice. Oh, I know Marty Brennan, and I know

1700
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 6: Marty Brenneman will tell you right now that Bernie should

1701
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:28,880
Speaker 6: be in there.

1702
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 1: Oh sure, no, I can hear Marty Brenneman.

1703
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:36,360
Speaker 6: Well, with the you know, Hall of Fame. You know

1704
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 6: that they've got the players, the nominees that they've had.

1705
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:41,360
Speaker 6: This is you that Bernie should go in with Francisco

1706
01:43:41,479 --> 01:43:44,599
Speaker 6: Cordero and what Brandon Phillips. There should be three guys

1707
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 6: that go in.

1708
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:46,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1709
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:48,439
Speaker 1: I agreed with you last week when you made the

1710
01:43:48,520 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 1: case for Bernie Stowe to be a member of the

1711
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 1: Reds Hall of Fame. So let's uh, let's switch gears.

1712
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 1: I heard that you were recently seen in a Cyclones

1713
01:43:58,479 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: hockey game. Is that true?

1714
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:04,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, I went two weeks ago. Two weeks ago on

1715
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:06,680
Speaker 6: a Saturday, I ran into your rant to one of

1716
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 6: your buddies. Yeah, Lou, Yeah, I ran it to Lou.

1717
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 3: Yes.

1718
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 1: Do you know that there's a man named Ken Carly

1719
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:18,719
Speaker 1: who was a volunteer and often works the penalty box

1720
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:21,679
Speaker 1: for the Cyclones, And he works with another guy named Joe.

1721
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:25,320
Speaker 1: There an older guy named Joe who's right now on

1722
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 1: some kind of British Columbia train vacation with his wife,

1723
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 1: so he didn't make the last weekend. But yeah, I

1724
01:44:33,080 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 1: know a bunch of guys who work Cyclones games, and

1725
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:42,040
Speaker 1: I actually have a Cyclones connection. Besides you, and I

1726
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:44,800
Speaker 1: know that for years you were one of the big,

1727
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 1: big time supporters, but you made it the other night.

1728
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:49,920
Speaker 1: Was there something special about the other night?

1729
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:50,920
Speaker 3: Oh?

1730
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:55,759
Speaker 6: Absolutely. The Iowa Highlanders were in town, coach by Chuck Weber,

1731
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:58,080
Speaker 6: who won the two Kelly Cups of the Cyclone.

1732
01:44:58,080 --> 01:44:58,400
Speaker 1: So I went.

1733
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 6: I really went because I wanted the see Chuck after

1734
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:03,240
Speaker 6: the game. And I saw, I sawd Chuck after the game.

1735
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:03,600
Speaker 3: I thought it.

1736
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 6: Did I send you a picture? I don't know if

1737
01:45:05,479 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 6: my dinner, No, No, I saw, but I saw Chuck.

1738
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 6: But I saw Chuck after the game. Yes, And we

1739
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:13,599
Speaker 6: talked about you know, why they you know, briefly, I'm

1740
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 6: not going to go into it, but briefly about why

1741
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,840
Speaker 6: they didn't hire him when they had the chance to

1742
01:45:18,920 --> 01:45:21,679
Speaker 6: bring him back and they decided to go a different direction.

1743
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:23,800
Speaker 6: And I'm not going to go into it. I'll tell

1744
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:25,080
Speaker 6: you off the air, but I'm not going to tell

1745
01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 6: you on the air because it's something private between me

1746
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:30,559
Speaker 6: and Chuck. But again, and of course, you know Friday night,

1747
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:33,600
Speaker 6: Friday night, I had to work the Indian Hill in

1748
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 6: the Hill football game, so I couldn't go. And the

1749
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:39,680
Speaker 6: Cyclones one, I believe it was nine to two, and

1750
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:42,120
Speaker 6: I think I guess Chuck got into I got into

1751
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:45,720
Speaker 6: the guys pretty good because Saturday night I'll return to

1752
01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 6: Favorite one to seven to two. So uh so that's

1753
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:50,760
Speaker 6: why I went to see Chuck. And they come back

1754
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 6: in March for a two game series and I'll probably

1755
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:53,800
Speaker 6: go either one.

1756
01:45:53,880 --> 01:45:55,000
Speaker 1: Hopefully I go both.

1757
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:56,160
Speaker 6: Games and see Chuck again.

1758
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 1: I know you do the PA stuff for Indian Hills football.

1759
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 1: How things worked out for Indian Hills this year? Wild Man,

1760
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 1: We're undefeated.

1761
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:12,240
Speaker 6: Man, We're undefeated. We're now playing the semi final regional.

1762
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:18,440
Speaker 6: On on Friday, we played Valley Vue at Fairfield Stadium. Valleyview.

1763
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 6: I think they're out of Germantown. We had an unbelievable

1764
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:25,880
Speaker 6: game Friday night against Taff. I mean, we were dominating

1765
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 6: Taff from the outset and we let Tam kind of

1766
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:30,439
Speaker 6: get back in the game. Gary Jeff Taff is down

1767
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 6: on the one yard line. The clock is winding down

1768
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 6: to the one minute mark, and they fumbled the ball

1769
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:37,880
Speaker 6: at the one yard line and they went into the

1770
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 6: end zone and Jackson Frye fell on the ball. That's

1771
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 6: a one in a million chance that the game would

1772
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 6: end like that, fumbling the ball in the one yard line.

1773
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 6: Take it In'm gonna win the game. And we recovered

1774
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:51,920
Speaker 6: the fumble, took two knees and got out of there

1775
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:53,960
Speaker 6: with the win twenty five to nineteen.

1776
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:57,360
Speaker 1: So it's been a pretty good darn sir season if

1777
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:00,320
Speaker 1: you're Indian Hill Football alone.

1778
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:03,160
Speaker 6: Player, or it's been a tremendous season.

1779
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 1: Yes, do they attribute any any of the success to you?

1780
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:11,599
Speaker 6: No, No, they don't know. They don't. But but if

1781
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:14,120
Speaker 6: the boys can go all the way, I would think

1782
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 6: I would get a ring, he says, I'm involved with

1783
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:17,120
Speaker 6: the program.

1784
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:20,880
Speaker 1: Well, you expect a ring if they win a state championship.

1785
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:23,759
Speaker 6: Yes, I would expect a ring from my good buddy,

1786
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:26,000
Speaker 6: athling director Brian Phelps, just I would.

1787
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:28,400
Speaker 1: Will there be a lot of goo for the wild

1788
01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:30,080
Speaker 1: man if you don't get a ring?

1789
01:47:31,080 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 3: I have no, I have no.

1790
01:47:32,360 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 6: There's no doubt in my mind that the Indian Hill

1791
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:39,360
Speaker 6: Braves win this, win the state championship, that I will

1792
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 6: get a ring.

1793
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:41,120
Speaker 3: There's no doubt.

1794
01:47:41,320 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 1: That's wonderful.

1795
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:44,760
Speaker 6: Okay, then, and that'll be three rings I've had. I

1796
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 6: got cyclones rings from the two Kelly Cup championships, and

1797
01:47:48,520 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 6: then I'd have another one for a football championship, and

1798
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:53,639
Speaker 6: I should have had one this past year for baseball,

1799
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:56,960
Speaker 6: and this year going in the baseball season, there's a

1800
01:47:57,080 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 6: damn good chance that we could win the state championship.

1801
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 6: Indian Hill Baseball the.

1802
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:05,880
Speaker 1: Best announcer money can pay for Wildman Walker at Indian

1803
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:11,160
Speaker 1: Hill this Friday night playoff game. This is a semifinal round,

1804
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:11,720
Speaker 1: wild Man.

1805
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:16,960
Speaker 6: Yes, okay, your regional semi final against Valevue at Fairfield Stadium.

1806
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:19,600
Speaker 6: So we don't really have to travel very far, you know,

1807
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:23,400
Speaker 6: the last two games because we won the Cincinnati Hills League,

1808
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:25,800
Speaker 6: we got to host two games at home. So now

1809
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:28,200
Speaker 6: we go on the road and go into Fairfield. There's nothing.

1810
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 6: I mean, we shall have a lot of fans come

1811
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 6: out there for that game.

1812
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:33,080
Speaker 1: All right, wild Man, I tell you what, Sit back,

1813
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:34,920
Speaker 1: take a break for a moment, and we'll come back

1814
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:39,160
Speaker 1: and talk about some other things. Yeah, I know what

1815
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:42,160
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about. The wild Man on the

1816
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:48,880
Speaker 1: Nightcap continues in moments on seven hundred WLW with wild

1817
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:53,040
Speaker 1: Manalker talking about revenge for last year's Indian Hills game

1818
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:58,040
Speaker 1: against Taft. The Braves got it back last weekend. In advance,

1819
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:00,200
Speaker 1: as we were talking about just a few moments, go

1820
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:05,600
Speaker 1: wild man, h what's happening with the Bengals?

1821
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:09,439
Speaker 6: Where are you wanting to start?

1822
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:10,080
Speaker 3: Well?

1823
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:13,680
Speaker 6: One of seven without Joe Burrow. They've now tied the

1824
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 6: record for giving up twenty seven points per game. The

1825
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,840
Speaker 6: record's going to be broken on the Sunday when the

1826
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:24,160
Speaker 6: Patriots come to town, because the Patriots are the best team.

1827
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:26,240
Speaker 6: They might be, they might be the best team in

1828
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:28,519
Speaker 6: all of football the way they're they're playing with their

1829
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:32,600
Speaker 6: MVP quarterback. And then you've got, of course, the everybody's

1830
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:35,120
Speaker 6: talking about it. Everybody around the water cooler is talking

1831
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:38,720
Speaker 6: about it. Jamar Chase and Jalen Ramsey getting into it,

1832
01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:43,320
Speaker 6: Jamar Chase spitting and then denying that he didn't do it,

1833
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:46,040
Speaker 6: but the camera cleary shows that he spit a Jalen

1834
01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:49,680
Speaker 6: Ramsey and I expect maybe a two game suspension only

1835
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 6: for the fact that he denied it on camera that

1836
01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:54,880
Speaker 6: he didn't do it, when the camera clearly shows that

1837
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 6: he did spit Jalen Ramsey. And we know in the

1838
01:49:57,479 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 6: heat of the battle the guys say stuff and stuff

1839
01:50:00,520 --> 01:50:02,680
Speaker 6: and then just say things. But you don't spin on

1840
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:05,559
Speaker 6: a guy. I mean, that's that's that's that's just so low.

1841
01:50:05,800 --> 01:50:06,519
Speaker 3: That's just so low.

1842
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:10,560
Speaker 1: This is this is this is an old feud that

1843
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:14,439
Speaker 1: goes back to the Super Bowl with the Rams, doesn't it. Yeah,

1844
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:16,920
Speaker 1: between Ramsey and Chase.

1845
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:19,840
Speaker 6: Right, I believe so. I don't know if it's a feud,

1846
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,479
Speaker 6: but they you know, they like to talk a lot.

1847
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:23,639
Speaker 6: But you just don't spit on a guy.

1848
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:24,560
Speaker 1: Man, you don't do that.

1849
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 6: And I don't blame Ramsey. Were coming back and punching

1850
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:30,040
Speaker 6: them now, punching him in the face, whether her your

1851
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:32,639
Speaker 6: hand is kind of dumb, because that's why that mask

1852
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:34,400
Speaker 6: is there, and you can break your damn hand. But

1853
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:38,680
Speaker 6: just you know, come on, that's just he's And then

1854
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:40,760
Speaker 6: to deny it, I mean, you know, he should have

1855
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:43,920
Speaker 6: just said no comment. They just spend no comment. That

1856
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 6: would have been the best way. I didn't spin on

1857
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 6: the Guy nineteen video show.

1858
01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:49,720
Speaker 3: That he did.

1859
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,080
Speaker 1: I saw the video. I've seen, not Channel nineteen somebody

1860
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:59,160
Speaker 1: else's video. I've seen it. It's obviously happened, and Ramsey reacted,

1861
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 1: maybe not in kind, but he reacted, and he's the

1862
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:04,360
Speaker 1: one that got thrown out of the game. The fact

1863
01:51:04,400 --> 01:51:08,280
Speaker 1: of the matter is, this is so, this is so

1864
01:51:08,520 --> 01:51:11,400
Speaker 1: against the character of what you usually see from Jamar Chase.

1865
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:15,759
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest shocking thing about this Jamar

1866
01:51:15,960 --> 01:51:19,840
Speaker 1: Chase is usually he may talk, but he's not the

1867
01:51:19,960 --> 01:51:24,760
Speaker 1: kind of guy to highlight himself in a negative way.

1868
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:27,479
Speaker 1: It's usually in a positive way. And I think part

1869
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 1: of that frustration was the fact that he could get

1870
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:34,479
Speaker 1: no traction and couldn't get the targets he wanted for

1871
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:37,920
Speaker 1: the routes he was running, and it all just built up.

1872
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:41,000
Speaker 1: And I think that was out of character for Jamar Chase,

1873
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:41,400
Speaker 1: don't you.

1874
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:43,080
Speaker 4: Oh, I think it's.

1875
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:44,839
Speaker 6: Out of character. Yeah, but you got to give the Steelers.

1876
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:47,240
Speaker 6: The Steelers came out and this time instead of playing

1877
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 6: one on one, they played his own and Zach Taylor

1878
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:52,160
Speaker 6: had no clue how to deal with his own defense.

1879
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:55,559
Speaker 6: Great clue on top of that with this lousy time management.

1880
01:51:56,320 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 6: So I'm sure Chase was a very, very frustrated. But

1881
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:02,800
Speaker 6: you just don't go and spit on a guy. I mean,

1882
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:05,760
Speaker 6: Gary Jeffens, somebody spit on you, what you retaliate in

1883
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 6: some way. Wouldn't at least push the guy, you know,

1884
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 6: when you're like, you know, head butt him or something.

1885
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:13,000
Speaker 6: I mean that's just wrong, and he's not gonna He's not.

1886
01:52:13,240 --> 01:52:15,639
Speaker 6: He might get two games. He might get two games

1887
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:18,280
Speaker 6: for this because, like I said, he denied that he

1888
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:21,320
Speaker 6: did it when it was on camera. I want it

1889
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:24,000
Speaker 6: and go back to Jalen Ramsey, you know. And then

1890
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:26,840
Speaker 6: you're talking about how Jamorrow's got of a low key guy.

1891
01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:32,120
Speaker 6: Remember Aj Green getting into it with Jayalen Ramsey. Yeah, yeah,

1892
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:34,760
Speaker 6: I mean, Jay Green is pretty much of a calm guy.

1893
01:52:35,160 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 6: But he got tired of being you know, pushed a

1894
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:39,080
Speaker 6: route or hitting the back and that kind of stuff.

1895
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:44,000
Speaker 6: And eventually he eventually retaliated. And I don't know if

1896
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 6: Aj Green got the sky.

1897
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:45,639
Speaker 1: I think he did.

1898
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:47,679
Speaker 6: I think he didn't get suspended for a game.

1899
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:50,599
Speaker 1: Well, one thing leads to another, I mean, but Abby,

1900
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:55,719
Speaker 1: the common denominator in these these different incidents you're talking

1901
01:52:55,760 --> 01:53:00,560
Speaker 1: about is Jalen Ramsey. Jalen Ramsey is doing something to

1902
01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 1: get under these guys who usually calm demeanor, usually good temperaments.

1903
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:09,640
Speaker 1: Skin What's what's Jalen Ramsey doing behind the scenes that

1904
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:13,920
Speaker 1: we can't see on camera? Wild man? That's the question.

1905
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:18,160
Speaker 6: Maybe some of this will come out to light, and

1906
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:21,960
Speaker 6: when when Jamar Chase has his hearing with the Director

1907
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:27,439
Speaker 6: of Discipline of the National Football League. Yeah, but and then,

1908
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:32,080
Speaker 6: and let's say Jamar doesn't play on Sunday against the Patriots.

1909
01:53:32,120 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 6: He might appeal and whatnot, And it doesn't got it

1910
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:36,960
Speaker 6: really gonna matter. And Gary, Jeff, we have seven more,

1911
01:53:37,200 --> 01:53:40,720
Speaker 6: seven more games, seven more games to watch, and the

1912
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:43,479
Speaker 6: only winnable games that I see on the schedule winnable

1913
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:47,800
Speaker 6: or Arizona and the Browns. That's it. If they're lucky,

1914
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:50,720
Speaker 6: and if they they're not going to beat the Patriots

1915
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,720
Speaker 6: on Sunday, and that should runson for all. Shut all

1916
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:56,960
Speaker 6: these idiots up out there that Joe Burrow should play.

1917
01:53:58,840 --> 01:54:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's apps asolutely zero reason to risk

1918
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 1: your franchise quarterback. If you're well on your way to

1919
01:54:06,439 --> 01:54:10,880
Speaker 1: being a five win team, what's the point? Why are

1920
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:15,320
Speaker 1: you going to push that point and and and perhaps

1921
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:20,439
Speaker 1: suffer another injury by the guy who obviously matters more

1922
01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:23,040
Speaker 1: than any other player on your team, Joe Burrow.

1923
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 6: And this, and this falls directly I think at the

1924
01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:28,799
Speaker 6: bottom line, it's not Joe Burrow, it's not Zach Taylor.

1925
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:32,440
Speaker 6: Mike Brown has to make that decision. And Mike Brown

1926
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:36,080
Speaker 6: says Joe, you're too valuable. I know you want to play.

1927
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:38,640
Speaker 6: I know you think you're you're healthy enough. The doctors

1928
01:54:38,680 --> 01:54:41,400
Speaker 6: have said, okay, no, no, we got more. You know

1929
01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:43,880
Speaker 6: that the window is still there. We don't need to

1930
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:45,600
Speaker 6: get hurt in the season that is lost.

1931
01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I agree. So other than that, I mean,

1932
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:54,720
Speaker 1: they didn't show us anything different. Uh, the defense may

1933
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:58,360
Speaker 1: have bucked up a little bit compared to their previous uh,

1934
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:06,360
Speaker 1: you know performances. Pittsburgh is not exactly a juggernaut and

1935
01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:10,640
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is not the player he used to be, obviously,

1936
01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:15,160
Speaker 1: and yet uh, the Bengals once again got drubbed.

1937
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:18,040
Speaker 6: And this time, well they couldn't. They couldn't they could,

1938
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:20,360
Speaker 6: you know, make a play when they had to again

1939
01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:24,040
Speaker 6: when they needed the defensive play that they couldn't make it.

1940
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:29,320
Speaker 6: And saw a lot of lousy tackling once again in

1941
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:29,800
Speaker 6: the game.

1942
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:34,720
Speaker 1: You know, wild man, wild Man, I would settle for

1943
01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:39,040
Speaker 1: lousy tackling, But there's been no tackling most of the

1944
01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:42,600
Speaker 1: season by that Bengals defense. I'd settle for a lousy

1945
01:55:42,720 --> 01:55:46,200
Speaker 1: tackling over the tackling or lack of tackling we've seen.

1946
01:55:47,240 --> 01:55:50,000
Speaker 6: Well, that's they leave the league and miss tackles.

1947
01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 1: You know, that's not lousy. That's not lousy tackling. That's

1948
01:55:56,560 --> 01:55:57,320
Speaker 1: no tackling.

1949
01:55:57,960 --> 01:56:00,440
Speaker 6: It's it's like I said that, they've already they've already

1950
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:03,600
Speaker 6: tied the record for giving up the most points, and

1951
01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:06,680
Speaker 6: now they're going to set that record. Guarantee you you

1952
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:08,920
Speaker 6: can bet the house. You can bet your first born

1953
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:12,440
Speaker 6: come Sunday when they play the Patriots.

1954
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:16,800
Speaker 1: I saw our girl, Caitlin Clark at the Anika Anaka

1955
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:20,320
Speaker 1: Pro am last week, looking good on the golf course.

1956
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:20,960
Speaker 1: Wild man.

1957
01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:21,560
Speaker 3: I tell you what.

1958
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:25,200
Speaker 1: I think she's healed up and just looking for something

1959
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:28,840
Speaker 1: else physically to do, waiting for the next w NBA season.

1960
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:31,680
Speaker 1: But you know all about my girl Caitlin, you.

1961
01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:33,320
Speaker 6: Know that, Well, that would be nice, That would be

1962
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:35,120
Speaker 6: nice for that league. They could really use her. I

1963
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:38,640
Speaker 6: mean this past season I chicked it out just a

1964
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:40,800
Speaker 6: little bit. But I just want to watch her play

1965
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:42,720
Speaker 6: and hopefully she's healthy and ready to go. And I

1966
01:56:42,760 --> 01:56:45,160
Speaker 6: think she made the right decision just to sit out

1967
01:56:45,400 --> 01:56:47,040
Speaker 6: and get healthy, kind of like what a guy by

1968
01:56:47,200 --> 01:56:48,840
Speaker 6: name of Joe Burrow hot to do.

1969
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:49,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1970
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:53,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know, in the w NBA, it's not that

1971
01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:58,720
Speaker 1: they're missing layups because of gambling spreads. They just like

1972
01:56:58,800 --> 01:56:59,640
Speaker 1: to miss layups.

1973
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:04,880
Speaker 6: I gets what you're going after.

1974
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:07,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, wild man. It's always good to chat

1975
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:11,600
Speaker 1: with you, and thanks for taking time this evening. We

1976
01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 1: will we will rendezvous hopefully next Monday night again before Thanksgiving.

1977
01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:19,880
Speaker 6: Okay, yes, oh, let's keep beating the drum there for

1978
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:21,960
Speaker 6: Bernie Stow, for the Reds Hall of Fame, and beat

1979
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:22,360
Speaker 6: it hard.

1980
01:57:22,680 --> 01:57:26,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you beat it hard on your own time, wild Man.

1981
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:31,120
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and with that we say farewell

1982
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:34,680
Speaker 1: and good evening to you, and we conclude with the

1983
01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:38,680
Speaker 1: playing of our national anthem, the only national anthem, the

1984
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:43,120
Speaker 1: Star Spangled Banner, now on seven hundred WLW