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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Happy Wednesday. Welcome into the latest edition of

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Speaker 2: SINCY three sixty starting right now. We're here until three

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Speaker 2: to those talkbacks in our number two this afternoon. Speaking

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Speaker 2: of this afternoon, let's start in hour number three. What

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Speaker 2: we'll have is Kyle Decker from Red Brick Legacy, Miami

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Speaker 2: of Ohio or I guess just Miami. At this point,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk all things red Hawks, the nil collective, basketball,

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Speaker 2: who won again last night? Football, the football game between

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Speaker 2: the Bearcats and the red Hawks that was moved to

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Speaker 2: TQL stadium and a big vote coming up at Miami

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Speaker 2: as it pertains to a new arena. A lot happening

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Speaker 2: in Oxford. We'll talk to Kyle Decker about that right

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Speaker 2: at two o'clock. Also in our number three, we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about red spring training and spring training.

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Speaker 3: As a whole.

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Speaker 2: One of the best biggest prospects in baseball for the

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Pirates Connor Griffin. He had himself a two home

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Speaker 2: run day yesterday and speaking of two home runs, Ellie

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Speaker 2: de la Cruz and Eo Honeyjo Suarez went back to

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Speaker 2: back in yesterday's Reds win over the Kansas City Royals

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Speaker 2: in spring training. We'll dive into that more in our

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Speaker 2: number three.

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Speaker 3: You know who Connor Griffin hit that first home runoff

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Speaker 3: of don't oh, it'll be Red Sox left handed hurler

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Speaker 3: Ranger Schworez. Oh who the Reds we'll see in game

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Speaker 3: number two. He's right for the picking of one and

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Speaker 3: sixty two. He is ripe for the pickings. You just

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Speaker 3: better get that straightened out. So I gotta say I

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Speaker 2: As we get into our number two today mentioned that

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Speaker 2: we will have our uh our normal talkbacks will also

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Speaker 2: spend much of our number two on college basketball. Last night,

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Speaker 2: Miami a winner over Eastern Michigan, the Kentucky Wildcats on

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Speaker 2: the road a winner over South Carolina. And how about

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Speaker 2: what happened last night at ud Arena Austin. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 2: the Dayton Flyers. Some would call that BTA Grand Canyon Mule,

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Speaker 2: Saint Louis all of a sudden, sputtering a little bit

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Speaker 2: down the stretch, and Dayton starting to play some very

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Speaker 3: Some people are calling him the Saint Louis Billa knts Ooh,

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Speaker 3: I like that. I like that.

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Speaker 2: Last night in Lubbock, Texas, you see comes up short

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Speaker 3: I thought for sure, like the first five minutes, Oh

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Speaker 2: You see made their first nine shots from the field.

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Speaker 2: They were on fire to start the game. But yet, Austin,

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Speaker 2: when you make your first nine shots, I think there's

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Speaker 2: winning the game by a good amount. The defense last night,

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Speaker 2: quite frankly for the Bearcats, did not make the trip

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Speaker 2: to Lubbock, Texas. MO tweeted this out earlier. Texas Tech

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Speaker 2: missed twenty five shots last night. They rebounded twelve of

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Speaker 2: those misses. After that nine for nine start, the Bearcats

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Speaker 2: U s had zero answers for Christian Anderson last night,

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Speaker 2: who had thirty one points, eleven rebounds, and seven assist.

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Speaker 2: Texas Tech has been impressive in the two games, small

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Speaker 2: Their style of play bodes very well for that offense

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Speaker 2: the most ball screens used in college basketball. Will break

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Speaker 2: down everything about last night's loss. You'll hear from Wes Miller,

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Speaker 2: like lean into it. Hey, I heard that stuff. I'm

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just I don't understand why more people don't

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Speaker 3: I think the way that Duke Tobin described where they're

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Speaker 2: That is absolute fire what the cyclones are bringing out.

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Speaker 2: It is a Boucie was rocking it. Buccie Maine saw

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Speaker 3: That's cool.

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Speaker 2: Now, those things are are absolute fire. I looked them

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Speaker 2: up two hundred dollars on the price tag. Okay for

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati three way for a night. Those again, go

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Speaker 2: look him up for yourself. They are really really sharp

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's coming up. I mean that's this Saturday, and

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Speaker 3: your big signing bonus allows you the flexibility much like

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Speaker 3: Duke Tobin. You have the resources to attack the Cincinnati

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Speaker 3: three ways sweater that the Cyclones are going to be wearing,

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Speaker 3: and you'll be wearing one, I assume on Monday. That's right.

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Speaker 3: That's right. What else do we have?

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Speaker 2: The Jags and Commanders will be the host teams for

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Speaker 2: the London games, that's right this upcoming season. What does

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Speaker 2: that mean for said Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't really know for sure, but we know

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Speaker 3: that the Bengals are slated to travel to Washington next

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Speaker 3: year to play the Commanders. You may remember they played

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Speaker 3: I think in London. The only time the Bengals have

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Speaker 2: It really does, although it does feel like it's later

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Speaker 2: of the Cincinnati Bearcats, Brendan Soorsby, who is now a

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Speaker 2: Texas Tech Red Raider, tweeted out last night following the

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Speaker 2: He said, Reckam, let's go Texas Tech men's basketball. Now,

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Speaker 2: it was documented throughout the course of the game that

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Speaker 2: Brendan Sorosby was sitting courtside. I don't have any problem

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Speaker 2: with him celebrating a win for Texas Tech. That is

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Speaker 2: of money. To me, it's just kind of where we

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Speaker 2: at the end of the year, less than less than

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Speaker 2: three months ago, Brendan Sorsby was a Cincinnati Bearcat. Now

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Speaker 2: he's a Texas Tech Red Raider tweeting after a Texas

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to jump into the back and forth

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Speaker 2: with Brendan Soarsby. He can certainly tweet that out. I

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Speaker 2: will say, the mentions of said tweet are absolutely hilarious.

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Speaker 3: Why are people mad about that? A lot of.

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Speaker 2: People wanted to point out Brendan Soarsby's career in November

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Speaker 3: That's all you need. If you're a Bearcat fan, that's

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Speaker 3: all you gotta do it. Uh, wild world. Now, I

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Speaker 3: Maybe we should read some of the retweet the replies later.

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Speaker 2: You never won more than five games at Cincinnati. You're

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Speaker 3: Here's one from a guy who claims to be Jared Cumberland.

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Speaker 3: Brendan Soresby now knows what it's like to be me.

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Speaker 2: See you in two hundred and forty two days. Homecomings

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Speaker 3: If he has any if he needs any advice on

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Josh Golling, who just tweets out the

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Speaker 3: Him again, somebody called him cornball ass.

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Speaker 3: I love this website, man, it is the absolute best.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Brendan LinkedIn is calling, Oh my goodness, Oh I

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Speaker 2: Now we're in a good spot. What people are saying,

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Speaker 6: Easily brings it home, swinging the ground ball past the

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Speaker 3: Well how about that? Hell yeah, how about a walk

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Speaker 2: If you had Michael Tolia on your Bengo card, cash

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Speaker 2: You know what I want to get through doing the

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Speaker 2: Let's talk some some NFL combine. It's happening right now.

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Speaker 2: I actually saw been Bain Junior was on the podium

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Speaker 3: We do? Okay, there's about two five minute segments of

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Speaker 7: Years, whether it be at the trade deadline or in

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Speaker 4: There are a lot of opportunities out there.

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Speaker 9: And uh, and I think the off season is the

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Speaker 9: Sometimes in free agency it's a financial obligation that that

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Speaker 4: It's just it's not feasible. The math doesn't work.

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Speaker 9: And so when you give up a young player that's

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Speaker 9: a four year player and a chance at you know,

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Speaker 9: finding Geno Atkins in the fourth round, you just.

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Speaker 4: Give up that fourth round pick. Nobody cares.

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Speaker 9: But if you name Geno Atkins, everybody would care that

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Speaker 9: you didn't have him. It would have affected us pretty

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Speaker 9: heavily if we did not have him. So we try

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Speaker 9: to maintain as many opportunities to find good young players

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Speaker 9: as we can. Now, there are definite needs that our

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Speaker 9: football team has, and those are the areas we'll try

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Speaker 9: to fill in with more proven veterans.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's part one there with with Duke Tobin,

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Speaker 2: a lot of emphasis on the big swings, and.

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Speaker 3: I get that.

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Speaker 2: The second part of that past rush being King, I

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Speaker 2: get where Duke is going with that. That the part

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Speaker 2: there in Traggs Mike Patai asked it what's the difference

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Speaker 2: of a big swing in free agency versus the draft.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you can operate under the assumption of, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, Gena Watkins was a fourth round pick like that.

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Speaker 2: You just can't do that. You're not going to find

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Speaker 2: those more often than not. You got to take the

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Speaker 2: big swings. What I think is interesting is Duke Tobin

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Speaker 2: took exactly zero time Austin to pound himself on the

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Speaker 2: back of up against Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 3: Again, well not only the Joe Flacco, but also, hey,

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Speaker 3: don't forget I drafted Geno Atkins too. I mean too.

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Speaker 3: Just let's pat that back a little bit here and

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Speaker 3: you'll you'll hear In the second part, he reminds people

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Speaker 3: that he drafted Andrew Whitworth as well. Like my translation

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Speaker 3: of that is they're not going to be going and

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Speaker 3: getting Max Crosby, correct, They're not going to make a

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Speaker 3: big move to move up or maybe even back in

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Speaker 3: the draft to give up draft capital. To me, this

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Speaker 3: was his indication of, yes, we're gonna go sign some

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Speaker 3: veteran free agents to help the team. We like the

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Speaker 3: pass rushers that are available, but we're not going to

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Speaker 3: empty the bank. Yeah, to go and get them, and

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Speaker 3: the bank being financially with a guy like Hendrickson or Crosby,

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Speaker 3: and also the value that they put into draft picks,

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Speaker 3: which clearly is quite a bit. If they view every

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Speaker 3: single draft pick as Geno Atkins, well then hell yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's never going to trade one.

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Speaker 2: My thing is this, you know he pushed back away

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Speaker 2: with I believe it was Kelsey Conway's question about the

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Speaker 2: big swing, and Duke says, we're always looking, but he

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Speaker 2: goes right into well, you know, with big swings, there's

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Speaker 2: a big chance you swing and miss. I don't like

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Speaker 2: that thought process, right, That's the mentality I want to

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Speaker 2: get away from, because that is pulling back more than

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Speaker 2: you are willing to go. Well, you know, a big

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Speaker 2: swing requires big compensation, and when you take those big swings,

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Speaker 2: there's a big chance that you miss. And then you

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Speaker 2: go back and like, no offense to Joe Flacco. I

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Speaker 2: didn't view Joe Flacco as a big swing last year.

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Speaker 2: I agree, but he goes to Joe Flacco as the

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Speaker 2: big swing that they made. I dislike the thought process

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Speaker 2: of there's a chance we miss, and that's going to

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Speaker 2: hold us back from maybe taking that big swing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think when you play it overwhelmingly safe, you

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Speaker 3: get the results where they're at. Yeah, and I understand

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Speaker 3: that if you play with fire, you might get burnt.

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Speaker 3: That's that is a real possibility, but also you can

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Speaker 3: do something really special at the same time, yep. And

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Speaker 3: I think you have to understand when you're able or

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Speaker 3: more willing to take on the risk because you can

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Speaker 3: withstand if you miss. So right now, when you have

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Speaker 3: a Burrow and a Chase and a Higgins and you

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Speaker 3: have good young players on defense, I feel like now's

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Speaker 3: the time when you're more prepared to take a big

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Speaker 3: swing because if you miss, you can still withstand some

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Speaker 3: of that and financially down the road they still have flexibility.

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Speaker 3: And so yes, it's not always the right time to

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Speaker 3: take a big swing. If Andy Dalton's your quarterback, if

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Speaker 3: Jake Browning's your quarterback, if David Klingler's your quarterback, it's

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Speaker 3: not the time to take a huge swing. But there

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Speaker 3: are times when it's warranted because of the way you've

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Speaker 3: built the rest of the roster. And I think that's

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Speaker 3: where he's missing a little bit. Let's take a break,

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Speaker 3: let's come back, and let's get to the second part

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Speaker 3: of what Duke Tobin had to say, and we'll react

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Speaker 3: to that as well. Maybe my favorite five minutes of

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Speaker 3: Duke Tobin ever in the twenty almost thirty years of

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Speaker 3: Duke Tobin being at this organization. The next five minutes

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Speaker 3: are maybe my favorite five five minutes I've ever heard

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Speaker 3: him speak. That happens next. Stick with us on ESPN

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Give a present to the

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Speaker 3: planet for the.

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Speaker 1: You've found Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back our number one thanks to Skyline Chilly. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for listening to ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Part two of what Duke Tobin had to say? This

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Speaker 2: as coined by Austin before the break, your favorite five

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Speaker 2: minutes of Duke Tobin audio.

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Speaker 3: And it starts with a great question from Kelsey Conway.

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Speaker 3: How do you think you guys have done excuse me

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Speaker 3: with Jeff Hobson, my apologies.

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Speaker 4: How do you think you guys have done the last

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Speaker 4: year or two sticking to your board as opposed to

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Speaker 4: maybe reaching for means or you thank you. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: always a big conversation.

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Speaker 9: In general, what I prefer is staying with in the

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Speaker 9: bucket of player that we evaluate as worthy of that pick.

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Speaker 4: And not going down.

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Speaker 9: Now within that bucket, sometimes we'll take need, and so

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Speaker 9: it's always a big conversation of his need. More important,

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Speaker 9: if there's a glaring player that we have evaluated that

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Speaker 9: we believe is truly at a level higher than everybody else,

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Speaker 9: even though they might fit a need, we'll probably just

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Speaker 9: go with that guy because in a year that might

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Speaker 9: be something that looked really smart. And we've done that

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Speaker 9: in the past with guys. You know, Wit was that way.

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Speaker 9: You know, he was the best player Availa when we

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Speaker 9: took him. And when we have a guy like that

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Speaker 9: that stands out on our board, we're normally not going

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Speaker 9: to pass on it.

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Speaker 4: Do you think you I mean, that's what I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's what you try to do.

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Speaker 9: But I mean, there there are times when maybe we

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Speaker 9: had guys at the bottom of a bucket and guys

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Speaker 9: at the top of the bucket, and we've decided to

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Speaker 9: go with immediate need, and it's always a temptation. And

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Speaker 9: when we do that and it doesn't work out, that's

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Speaker 9: my fault. But our philosophy is we want guys worthy

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Speaker 9: of the pick that we're taking.

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Speaker 4: Regardless of the position.

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Speaker 8: Andrew Whitwerth said last week, like this is the biggest

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Speaker 8: off season in the Joker era. And I know that

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Speaker 8: you guys internally don't get up differently from one off season.

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Speaker 4: To the other.

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Speaker 8: Like you have your process and you go through it

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Speaker 8: that you're obviously human and you know when you have

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Speaker 8: a quarterback, you know as age, you know you have

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Speaker 8: a receiver. How has all of that affected you in

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Speaker 8: the way that you construct the roster if it has

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Speaker 8: changed anything at all?

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Speaker 4: With you with me pretty full speed all the time.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I this has never left my mind. Certainly.

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Speaker 4: I'm keenly aware that we have to improve.

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Speaker 9: When you come off of a bad season like we

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Speaker 9: have and we didn't get over the hump and win

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Speaker 9: these games that I felt like we should have won,

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Speaker 9: that we could have won, it is hard and you

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Speaker 9: need to improve enough to where those are losses turn

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Speaker 9: into wins.

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Speaker 4: And that's what we're focused on. We know where our

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Speaker 4: team is.

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Speaker 9: If I didn't believe in our team, I'd be, you know,

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Speaker 9: doing what Ben wants me to do and dumping all

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Speaker 9: the players and all those things, you know, But we

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Speaker 9: got a team that can win.

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Speaker 4: In my opinion win it all. That's my opinion.

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Speaker 9: Nobody else believes it fine, But am I aware of that?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 9: And do I think that we can make additions this

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Speaker 9: offseason that push us over the hump?

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 8: And then just to follow up on that, because we

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Speaker 8: talked to Zach a lot more. Obviously the head coach.

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Speaker 8: When Bruckers are going a certain way, like a coach's

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Speaker 8: job security is always brought up. And how did this

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Speaker 8: past year, with the scrutiny from whether it be like

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Speaker 8: national media or from the fans, how did that affect you?

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Speaker 8: Did you have to learn how to block the noise out?

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Speaker 8: I mean, obviously you've been doing this for so long

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Speaker 8: and every year it's different, but the magnitude behind like

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Speaker 8: the Burroughs, and it just nationally it feels like the

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Speaker 8: Bangles are under like a bigger spotlight than they might

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Speaker 8: have ever been in a franchise.

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Speaker 7: So how did you deal with all the noise around?

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Speaker 5: It?

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Speaker 4: Disappointing.

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Speaker 9: We don't mind being under the spotlight. I mean I

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Speaker 9: don't spend a lot of time on that. I view

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Speaker 9: that world as kind of the upside down. You know,

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Speaker 9: if you're there, you're looking for the exit. As fast

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Speaker 9: as you can get there, and you probably shouldn't want

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Speaker 9: to go. There isn't any exterior force that can put

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Speaker 9: more pressure on me than I put on myself. And

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Speaker 9: when we're not waiting, I put more pressure on myself

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Speaker 9: than any one of you can or any can.

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Speaker 4: Believe me, it hurts me more.

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Speaker 9: And and so you know, my motivation doesn't come from

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Speaker 9: national media or fans' perception. It comes from me and

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Speaker 9: I feel it, you know, I feel it before they

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Speaker 9: do because I can see it happening, maybe before they can.

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Speaker 9: And so that stuff doesn't really year to year.

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Speaker 4: Maybe there's more, maybe there's.

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Speaker 9: Less, but my motivation comes from within me. And believe me,

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Speaker 9: I'm harder on myself than anybody outside of myself can be.

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Speaker 2: All Right, So that is part two there of Duke

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Speaker 2: Tobin a lot of good stuff, and credit the media

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Speaker 2: as well for some of the questions that we're asked there.

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Speaker 2: I think it's obvious it's the biggest offseason and Duke

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Speaker 2: Tobin is not shying away from that. I don't think

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Speaker 2: this team as currently constructed can win it all. I

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Speaker 2: think they got heck of a lot of work to do.

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Speaker 2: That was first of all.

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Speaker 3: I loved those answers, like, that's what I want to

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Speaker 3: hear as a Bengals fan.

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Speaker 5: I like that.

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Speaker 3: And to peel back the curtain of best player versus

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Speaker 3: biggest need. Yeah now they Yeah, that was cool to say, Okay,

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Speaker 3: we want to pick a player that we think is worthy,

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Speaker 3: worthy of this spot in the draft. Glad to hear that.

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Speaker 3: He also admitted sometimes we don't and when it doesn't work,

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Speaker 3: that's my fault. Yes, accountability from Duke Tobin. Great job.

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Speaker 3: Duke also hypocritical. At one point says I'm keenly aware

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Speaker 3: that we need to improve. Thirty seconds later says I

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Speaker 3: think we can win the Super Bowl. Yep. Those two

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Speaker 3: things don't work hand in hand. And that's what worries

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Speaker 3: me about his ability to actually build the roster. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you can say all the right things, and he did,

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Speaker 3: but you got to actually execute it. And you've got

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Speaker 3: to be able and be willing and be open to

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Speaker 3: the idea of changing up your process a little bit

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Speaker 3: more than what they have been. And we can bring

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Speaker 3: some of that back tomorrow. Because he did go on

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Speaker 3: to say he was asked about the idea of less

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Speaker 3: voices and more voices in the room, and I think

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Speaker 3: that answer is interesting, and he also kind of talked

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Speaker 3: about the addition of the scouts and the data and

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Speaker 3: stuff like that that they're working with. All this is good,

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Speaker 3: but does it translate? Is the question?

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Speaker 2: I think the overall out of those ten minutes, the

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Speaker 2: overall team of can you win it all without taking

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Speaker 2: a big swing? I think this offseason is a big

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Speaker 2: question because, as you mentioned, and it's what I wrote

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Speaker 2: down here, you can't talk about how much the roster

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Speaker 2: needs to get better and then in the same sentence

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Speaker 2: or the same question or answer session, say that we

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Speaker 2: have a team that can win it all. This team

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Speaker 2: right now can't win it all the way they are

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Speaker 2: currently constructed. You can't win it all. What can you

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Speaker 2: do to get there? And does that require a big

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Speaker 2: swing going forward? Let's do this because I know we've

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Speaker 2: got two parts of Zach Taylor as well, and only

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Speaker 2: got one segment when we come back, So let's let's

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Speaker 2: change it up for halftime. Let's recap last night what

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Speaker 2: happened in Lubbock, Texas, get a little West Miller audio,

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Speaker 2: and then we'll use that first longer segment in hour

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Speaker 2: number two to go through what Zach Taylor had to

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Speaker 2: say in the same setting speaking to members of the

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Speaker 2: media yesterday at the combine. So we'll wrap the Bearcats

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Speaker 2: from last night, and then to start our number two,

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Speaker 2: you'll hear from Zach Taylor and what he had to

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Speaker 2: say and Austin and I's reactions to that as well.

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Speaker 2: All still ahead since he three to sixty on ESPN

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Hey Alexa, what's going on in the NFL?

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Speaker 1: Getting ESPN fifteen thirty from iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, sorry, I'm back DESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Who were you doing, man?

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Speaker 2: I was catching up with mo is the first I've

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Speaker 2: seen mo since last night. Oh, and we were breaking

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Speaker 2: down some of the game, the loss in Lubbock, Texas,

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Speaker 2: and Moe put it very well. There was a point,

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Speaker 2: Austin last night you mentioned the start of the game.

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Speaker 2: UC came out and made their first nine baskets of

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Speaker 2: the game and it was twenty three to eighteen, and

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Speaker 2: you kind of thought at that point, Man, if you

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Speaker 2: go nine for nine to start the game, ideally you

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Speaker 2: got maybe a double digit lead.

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Speaker 3: Early on.

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Speaker 2: They had no answer for Texas Tech. They had no

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Speaker 2: answer last night for Christian Anderson thirty one points, eleven rebounds,

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Speaker 2: seven assists. For the point guard for Texas Tech, Donovan

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Speaker 2: Atwell made four threes last night. This is the Texas

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Speaker 2: Tech team. I give Texas Tech credit because they were

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Speaker 2: a team that liked to play through their big JT Toppin.

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Speaker 2: They lose him and they have completely changed up their moo.

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Speaker 2: They spread you out, they beat you off the dribble,

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Speaker 2: and they have shooters spread out around Christian Anderson. It's

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Speaker 2: a very tough ask and at times last night I

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Speaker 2: thought UC looked tired. You know, Saturday at Kansas, what

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Speaker 2: went into that win? A turnaround to play on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: It just didn't look like they had their legs at

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Speaker 2: times last night. Mentioned before, Texas Tech only missed twenty

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Speaker 2: five shots on the night, and on the twenty five

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Speaker 2: shots they missed, they rebounded offensively twelve of them. They

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Speaker 2: shot fifty two percent from the field, forty percent from

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Speaker 2: the three point line. They out rebounded the Cincinnati Bearcats

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Speaker 2: by sixteen last night in a game that you see

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Speaker 2: loses eighty to sixty eight. Here is a little bit

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Speaker 2: of what Wes Miller had to say in opening up

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Speaker 2: his postgame press conference.

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Speaker 11: Coach for this season, your team has been excellent for

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Speaker 11: the most part at defensive rebounding. Opponents are getting twenty

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Speaker 11: six percent of their misshots back as offensive rebounds. But

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Speaker 11: it was a problem tonight twelve from for Texas Tech

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Speaker 11: nineteen second chance points. Did you feel that that was

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Speaker 11: the biggest difference in the game tonight?

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 5: I said that to the team just now. I thought

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Speaker 5: the offensive rebounding, the points off of offensive rebounding, was

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Speaker 5: the reason why the game wasn't a great game. In

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Speaker 5: the last minute of the game, you know, I think

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Speaker 5: if we checked the box there, we'd be in position

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Speaker 5: to win another big time game on the road.

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Speaker 3: But we weren't able to do that.

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Speaker 5: You know, Christian Anderson had a knight. We're trying to

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Speaker 5: put two to the ball like it wasn't like we

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Speaker 5: were just letting it happen. We're trying to get it

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Speaker 5: out of his hands. But he had a big time night,

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Speaker 5: and the offensive rebounding was difficult for us.

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Speaker 12: I thought the piss the Caliti that they played download,

741
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Speaker 12: they got a chance to get away with a lot

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Speaker 12: of stuff that really gave them an advantage. But I

743
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Speaker 12: thought that gave them the advantage. That really gave some separation,

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Speaker 12: especially when you guys couldn't reciprocate on the other end.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I got to choose my words carefully with stuff

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Speaker 5: like that, So I you know, just uh, next question,

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Speaker 5: you know, type of thing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, But not that I have a problem with your comment.

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Speaker 3: I just I'm I gotta.

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Speaker 5: Choose my words carefully and listen.

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Speaker 3: Uh, I don't. I don't ever want.

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Speaker 5: To sit here and say that there was a team

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Speaker 5: that was more physical than us. I thought our kids

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Speaker 5: fight was fine, but we we didn't have We weren't

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Speaker 5: quicker to the ball tonight. We weren't more physical tonight,

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Speaker 5: and it was difficult because got penalized for that a

757
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Speaker 5: little bit too when we tried to be I.

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Speaker 11: Don't think anybody's going to make the case the Texas

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Speaker 11: Tech is better without JT. Topping, But defending them in

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Speaker 11: some ways seems harder to me. He's such a dominant

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Speaker 11: figure when he's playing, they're going to him. He's going

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Speaker 11: to shoot. You know, he's hard to stop. But without

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Speaker 11: a man, the ball pops around, they drive, they kicked,

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Speaker 11: They've got great three point shooters. It's a very difficult

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Speaker 11: matchup for your team.

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Speaker 5: Defensively, well, I wouldn't say better either, you know, because

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Speaker 5: he's was the player here in our league. But they're

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Speaker 5: different and I feel like they've been energized. You know,

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Speaker 5: guys now that weren't playing or they weren't playing big minutes,

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Speaker 5: they're playing with great energy because they're getting their opportunity

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Speaker 5: and you can see they're getting a little bit of

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Speaker 5: a boost and that's to be expected. But he'll give

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Speaker 5: them credit for being able to respond and play without them.

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Speaker 12: A guy who didn't get all the stats that justify

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Speaker 12: he had a great game, Lawan wats He had thirteen points,

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Speaker 12: five rebounds. But they ran a lot of their offense

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Speaker 12: almost like Raymond Green threw him.

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Speaker 3: They passed it to him.

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Speaker 12: They do a lot of cuts up front, and it

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Speaker 12: seems like when they got one on one, he would

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Speaker 12: just back down and back down until a double team

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Speaker 12: came or if it didn't come. And since we're in

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Speaker 12: the second half or day they had him one on one,

784
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Speaker 12: there was so much action going up that he was

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Speaker 12: just picking a part with back cuts.

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Speaker 5: He's kind of like they used the Darien Williams kid

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Speaker 5: last year. He's kind of the same thing. So do

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Speaker 5: you double. We'd try to double him at the end

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Speaker 5: of the first half, they skip it and hit a

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Speaker 5: big three.

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Speaker 3: You go play one on one.

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Speaker 5: Well, we got him to miss and then they get

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Speaker 5: the offensive rebound and that's when the an one occurs.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's a good passer. I don't know if

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Speaker 5: he can finish over top all night, but if you

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Speaker 5: let him pass and facilitate, and then you don't box

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Speaker 5: when you do get him to miss, he can be

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Speaker 5: very effective.

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Speaker 3: He heard us in the middle.

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Speaker 5: We're trying to cover the three point line and a

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Speaker 5: couple of times they get the ball to the middle

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Speaker 5: of the floor and we're taking two to Anderson and

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Speaker 5: we don't rotate over and they get a couple easy layups.

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Speaker 5: That'd be the third thing that happened tonight, I mean,

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Speaker 5: quite honestly. And Wats is a good decision making or facilitator.

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Speaker 5: He was the recipient of a couple of those plays,

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Speaker 5: not all of them, but a couple of them.

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Speaker 11: He got off to an incredible offensive start making your

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00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 11: first nine shots. Normally, you'd have some separation if that

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Speaker 11: were the case in the back of your mind where

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Speaker 11: you thinking we should be up more considering how well

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Speaker 11: we're shooting the ball.

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Speaker 5: Well, I thought I'd like to think about it that

814
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 5: way when I'm coaching. I just it was frustrated that

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Speaker 5: we weren't getting stops, you know, like that was frustrating,

816
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Speaker 5: you know, because you just know you're playing against this

817
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,479
Speaker 5: is the number one offensive team in our league at home.

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Speaker 5: Like you said, they're playing with great rhythm. You could

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Speaker 5: see it when they played Kansas State in their last game,

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Speaker 5: and so you're you could see to start the game.

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Speaker 5: We weren't able to impact them the way that I

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Speaker 5: wanted our defense to impact him.

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Speaker 3: That was my concern.

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Speaker 5: You know, I didn't have a big problem with our offense,

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Speaker 5: but I thought we missed missed a couple like dayDay

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Speaker 5: got some great looks tonight, and he just wasn't in

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Speaker 5: a rhythm JC. I thought we executed to get him

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Speaker 5: a couple of wide open threes and pretty big moments,

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Speaker 5: you know, I thought, mood, you know, still is. He

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Speaker 5: didn't make quite as many. It was very physical down

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Speaker 5: there with him in the post. But he's in a

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Speaker 5: pretty good rhythm so offensively other than some misshots, and

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Speaker 5: I didn't like us on the offensive board. I didn't

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Speaker 5: have a huge problem with this, but you know, not

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Speaker 5: doing a better job on the defensive glass, would it be?

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Speaker 5: Would be my complaint?

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Speaker 2: There is Wes Miller with Dan Hord and Terry Nelson.

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Speaker 2: After last night's lost to Texas tech u SE was

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Speaker 2: led again by Mustapha Chom, who had twenty one points

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Speaker 2: and ten rebounds on the night, Bob Bob Miller twelve points,

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Speaker 2: Gisel James had twelve, and Jalen Celestine added fifteen points.

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Speaker 2: One of the key factors I thought for the Bearcats

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Speaker 2: last night as well. Only six points on two for

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Speaker 2: eight shooting from Dayde Thomas and just two bench points

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Speaker 2: collectively between Cincire, Harris Keishan Tillery and Tyler McKinley. I

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00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: don't know what it means for any outside chance of

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Speaker 2: UC making a run at the NCAA Tournament. I do

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00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: know this that would even require the next three wins

849
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Speaker 2: to have a conversation going to the Big twelve tournament

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Speaker 2: that starts on Saturday. When the Bearcats welcome in Oklahoma State,

851
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 2: they'll follow that up with welcoming in next Tuesday by you,

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Speaker 2: and then they'll wrap up their season on the.

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Speaker 3: Road at TCU. That's next for the Cincinnati Bearcats. What's

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Speaker 3: next for us?

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Speaker 2: We flip back to the National Football League the head

856
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: coach of the Cincinnati Bengals, Zach Taylor. We have two

857
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: different cuts of Zach Taylor as well. We'll start our

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00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: two with the first cut, we'll react and then we'll

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00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 2: get to the second cut and react to that as well,

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Speaker 2: leading into your talkbacks next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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