1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:01,000 Speaker 1: It's nice. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: I'm doing you easy Boston's News Radio. 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 3: Good evening everybody, and happy Thursday. We're almost at the weekend. No, 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 3: we still have a couple of nights to go. My 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 3: name is Dan Ray, and I am here every weeknight 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 3: from eight until midnight, and we'll take you all the 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: way to Friday, and you think can say the magic 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 3: letters of TGIF in the meantime, stay with us and 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 3: welcome Rob Brooks, our great producer who is back in 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 3: the control room at Broadcast Central headquarters. And we will 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 3: start off tonight during the eight o'clock hour talking with 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 3: one of my very favorite guests, Emily Sweeney of the 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 3: Boston Globe. Emily is with us a couple of times 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 3: a month talking about cold case files, and she has 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: an update on a cold case file that we've talked 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: about recently. What's going on here, Emily? 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, Dan, thanks again for having me on. 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 3: I would have you on every night if they would 20 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 3: let me. 21 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: Go. 22 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 4: Right ahead, Well, I'm honored, I'm honored. I the last 23 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 4: time I was on, I was talking about the disappearance 24 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 4: of Christopher Bird. He was a Haverol Public Schools special 25 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 4: education teacher twenty five years old when he vanished in 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 4: nineteen eighty four, Three days go by and his cast 27 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 4: shows up abandoned at the mcdouin Mall and he was 28 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 4: last seen. He told his wife he was going camping 29 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 4: with a friend, and I've learned some new details, you know, 30 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 4: since we spoke. You know, this friend's name was Richard Brunt, 31 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 4: and Richard Brunt had a record. He had done prison 32 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 4: time for killing somebody in Florida and somehow got a 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 4: job teaching, you know, here in Massachuset. It's at a 34 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 4: private school, and they supposedly go camping, and when Chris 35 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 4: does we come back, his wife reports a missing And 36 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 4: I talked to his wife and I was like, how 37 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 4: did these two meet, you know, like they were just 38 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 4: friends for a few months, And she told me that 39 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 4: they met at the y MCA and Haro and she 40 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: said after Chris disappeared, they went into his locker and 41 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 4: they found love letters written to Chris from Richard Brunt. 42 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, so a little complicated. 43 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 4: And you know, so his poor wife finds this out, 44 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,119 Speaker 4: you know, find you know, they police took the love 45 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 4: letters and Chris has still never been found. 46 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 3: Did the police know about this correspondence at the time, 47 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: you know, shortly after his disappearance. 48 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was only after he disappeared that that the 49 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 4: police went into his locker at the y and saw 50 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 4: the letters. 51 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: So that should have given them something to work on, 52 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: I would think. 53 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. So you know, Richard Brent told police that the 54 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 4: last time he saw Chris Chris was they went they 55 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 4: had gone camping, and Chris wanted to borrow a ladder okay, okay, 56 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 4: And the last place Chris was seen was at the stables, 57 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 4: the n Q Stables up in Wyndham, New Hampshire, and 58 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 4: there's a ladder business right across the street from the stables. 59 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 4: So you know, if anybody out there, you know, maybe 60 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 4: maybe saw something or anything. 61 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 5: What what? 62 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 3: What What interests me is clearly if there was, you know, 63 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: an interest that someone had in someone else, and if 64 00:03:55,720 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 3: that interest was unrequited and and not mutual, sometimes people 65 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 3: can feel spurned, which might be the potential motive for anger. 66 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 3: I'm speculating here, do we know? I mean, you would 67 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 3: think if they found that it was nineteen eighty five, right, 68 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: eighty four, okay, But if they found that in the 69 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 3: few days which I assumed they would have after his disappearance. 70 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 3: That certainly should have given them a potential motive for 71 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 3: you know, for a potential crime. I'm not suggesting that 72 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 3: means that necessarily this other gentleman you know, killed him. 73 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: All we know is he disappeared. But this did the police? 74 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 3: Have the police said anything? And again, because it's eighty four, 75 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: I assume most of the police officers who were involved 76 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 3: in that investing have long since retired. 77 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 4: Maybe well that the new Nipshire Cold Case Unit has 78 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 4: been you know, really been actively investigating this case, especially 79 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 4: in recent years. I've found out, dan Is that I 80 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 4: confirmed that Richard Brunt also passed away in twenty nineteen. 81 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 3: Okay, so. 82 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 4: You know this is still an open case. You know, Uh, 83 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 4: Chris's family, his mother is still alive, you know, just 84 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 4: wants to know, you know, what happened to her son. 85 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 4: And I'm hoping by putting some of these new details 86 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 4: out there that you know, maybe again maybe somebody saw something, 87 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 4: maybe Richard told somebody something. 88 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you know the other thing is that 89 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 3: if let's say the presence of those letters in Richard's locker, uh, 90 00:05:54,520 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 3: in Chris's locker. Excuse me, excuse me, that they were 91 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: in the locker of the victim. I don't want to 92 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 3: confuse these names. The victim is Richard. 93 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: Oh, Chris, Chris Christopher. 94 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 3: Okay. So the love letters were found in Chris's locker 95 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 3: and they appeared to have been written by the fellow 96 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: who we went camping with, which okay. So if that individual, 97 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: first of all, they should have been maybe investigated back 98 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: in eighty four eighty five. But even if once that 99 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 3: person dies, if he was a suspect in the disappearance 100 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: or worse of Chris, that might have ended the investigation there, 101 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: I assume, and that the police would say, hey, this 102 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 3: is not really an investigation that we're likely to bring 103 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: closure to in view of the fact that the person 104 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: who we were looking at, who at last has seen him. 105 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 3: Let me put it like that. I don't want to, 106 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 3: you know, in any way, shape or form, suggest that 107 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 3: that Richard did anything improper. But maybe when when he 108 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 3: passed away, they said, hey, we can't pursue this, but 109 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: you're right if anybody has any additional information. His mom, 110 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 3: Chris's mom is still alive. Wow, y, have you had 111 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: a chance to talk to Chris's ex wife? Has has 112 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 3: she been available at all. 113 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 5: Yeah. 114 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 4: So I spoke to you know, Chris's wife, who gave 115 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 4: me a lot of these details. I also spoke to 116 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 4: his sister recently. And I also I've been you know, 117 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 4: finding pictures of Richard Brunt that will be going with 118 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 4: my story to show you know what he looks like, 119 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 4: and also pictures of Chris. And you know, even though 120 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 4: the you know, Richard Runts he has passed away, the 121 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 4: New Hampshire Cold Case Unit is still posting about this 122 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 4: case on social media a word, because Chris it is 123 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 4: out there. And his family told me that, you know, 124 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 4: they would you know, love to you know, find him, 125 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 4: you know, and you give him a you know, proper 126 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 4: burial goodbye. 127 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, did his did his wife ever remarry or has 128 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 3: she spent the last you know forty years you know 129 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 3: as a widow? 130 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? 131 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 4: No, I mean, you know his wife, you know, obviously 132 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 4: this was nineteen eighty four. They were a young couple, 133 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 4: you know, I mean, and you know, she she's moved on, 134 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 4: she's doing. 135 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 3: Well, okay, but she's well into Yeah, but she's well 136 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: into his sixties, I'm sure at this point or maybe more. 137 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, they were both in their twenties. They had both 138 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 4: graduated right after graduating college in eighty that is when 139 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 4: they got married. 140 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: Okay, so we do the math. Okay, so if they 141 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 3: were born in you know, circing the late fifties there there, 142 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: she's probably in her late sixties, early seventies. This is 143 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 3: one that I think maybe maybe when is the story 144 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 3: going to be in the Globe? Do you know yet 145 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: on that? 146 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 4: I'm hoping it will be in the Globe next week. 147 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 4: I'm wrapping it up and I'm taking my time just 148 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 4: to get as much information out there as possible. 149 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: Well, Emily, I will find out if you want to 150 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: give me a call, I will draw it to everyone's attention, 151 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: because this is really an interesting story. Clearly, you know, 152 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 3: they talk about, you know, in any sort of a 153 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: murder case, they talk about the acronym mom M O 154 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 3: M meaning a motive, opportunity and means so if there's 155 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 3: a motive, maybe an opportunity to go camping with someone, 156 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: you know, you're kind of out there in the wilderness, 157 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: so that, you know, I would assume any police investigator 158 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 3: would be thinking, maybe something bad happened when they're camping. 159 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: But if you let me know what day you think 160 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 3: it's going to be in I will alert people so 161 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: they have an opportunity to look at the pictures and 162 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 3: maybe someone's memory will be refreshed. Fair enough. 163 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 4: Oh great, that'd be excellent, Dan. I appreciate it. 164 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: Emily, thank you very much for working on all these cases. 165 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 3: It's a fascinating series of stories, and I think on 166 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: sadly that it's an endless series of stories that you're 167 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 3: going to be presented with. Thanks, my friend, you'd be well. 168 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: Take care. Thanks Emily Sweeney, Boston Globe Cold Case Files, 169 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 3: and again I remind you you can get a free subscription. 170 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: Just go to the Boston Globe Slash Cold Case Files 171 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 3: if I recall correctly and you can sign. 172 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: Up correct yep. 173 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 5: Thanks, how to do it perfect? 174 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 3: Thanks Emily, Thank you very much. 175 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 5: All right, Thanks all right. 176 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 3: Coming up, we're going to talk about the Paul Bunyan 177 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: Lumberjack Show at the tops Field Fair. We'll be back 178 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: on Night Side Boy. That was a fascinating development with 179 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: Emily Sweeney and just shows what a good reporter like 180 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 3: her can do in pulling together a case and a story. 181 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: And who knows, maybe there is an answer somewhere somewhere 182 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 3: here in New England. Moving back on my side right 183 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: after this very quick break. 184 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w BZ, Boston's news Radio. 185 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: All right, welcome back everybody as we head two hour 186 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: second interview during this eight o'clock hour. Delighted to welcome 187 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 3: Lee the Captain. I'm hoping I'm pronouncing that name correctly, 188 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 3: Lee the Captain. How are you, sir? 189 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm great, and you got a perfect again. Nice 190 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: to hear from you all there. And I got to 191 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: tell you, since I was a little child, I actually 192 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: followed your station. My family actually came from Leminster, Pittsburgh area, 193 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: and then they moved to the Midwest to Michigan, and 194 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: that's where I kind of learned my craft. 195 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 3: So you are, you're the star of the Paul Bynyen 196 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 3: Lumberjack Show as I understand it. 197 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I'm the old man of it, 198 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: that's for sure. But we got a lot of talent 199 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: that's going there. I am actually leaving the South Carolina 200 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: State Fair just to come and see you guys, finish 201 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: the job with you and going back to the State Fair. 202 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: And my son, who is a world champion lumberjack and 203 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: the world's most famous lumberjack will be there, folks. One 204 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: of his videos from a fan that in California, Shout 205 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,359 Speaker 1: It Out, has done four hundred and three million views. 206 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: Whoa, WHOA? So okay, So you gonna well the Lumberjack 207 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 3: Show with you. I don't know if you're participating or running. 208 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 3: The show at this point will be October eleventh, twelfth, 209 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: and thirteenth, which, of course is this weekend Columbus Day weekend. 210 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 3: This show has been performed all over the world. It 211 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 3: includes log rolling, two men, crosscut sarring, and axe throwing. 212 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: How do you become a lumberjack? I mean, I think 213 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: everyone knows the legend of Paul Bunyan, but how does 214 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: guy from Leminster, Massachusetts. I'm sure when you were in 215 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 3: the first grade and you wanted to be a firefighter 216 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 3: or police officer, as most first grade is, you didn't 217 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 3: say I want to be another I want to be 218 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 3: a Paul Bunyon lumberjacket I grew up. How did you 219 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 3: get into this line of work? 220 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: Well, like I said, my family moved to Upper Michigan 221 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: and it was a sport that's there where they we 222 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: practiced it behind our house, just like a bunch of 223 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: kids practice a little league in baseball, you know, and 224 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: then later on I started competing competitions, and by the 225 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: time I was eleven years old, I won the Junior 226 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: Boy World Championships, and from there I went to the 227 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: Senior Boy World Championships. And then I want a bunch 228 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: of cricket, fancy log rolling, and then a regular log 229 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: rolling road championships and a bunch of other stuff. And 230 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: I've been doing it now since I've been just basically 231 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: a little kid. I started the business basically learning at 232 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: eight years old. 233 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa. You know, it's funny. I have family roots 234 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 3: in Leminster too. My mom was born in Leminster a 235 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 3: long time ago, so I'm very familiar with Lemonster. And 236 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 3: so this is what you do for a livelihood. You 237 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 3: performed in all over the world, as I. 238 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: Understand it, Yes, me do. 239 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: We just got back from Australia. We've done our shows 240 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: on five different continents, China, Japan, Africa, Bermuda, France, England, 241 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: We've done it all over the place. Canada of course, 242 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: you know, and in the United States. It's a lot 243 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: of fun and amazing thing is it's good old fashioned 244 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: family fund. It's the stuff that things grew up with, 245 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: and you know what the big two hundred and fifty 246 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: years celebration that's coming up with all these events now 247 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: that the Trump Organization's putting on. Lumberjacks sports and entertainment 248 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: was one of the very first entertainments ever done for 249 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: fairs and festivals. They would take these lumberjack camps, need 250 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: tough lumberjacks. Who's the biggest, who's the bessest, who's the best, 251 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: Who's Paul Bunyan And they competed against each other to 252 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: see who it was. And that was the entertainment back then, 253 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: and it is still as exciting when then as it 254 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: is now now. 255 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 3: Paul Bunyan was a mythical character. 256 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: Correct, Well, I've done a little bit of research and 257 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: I think personally that he was a very real character. 258 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: And there's a lot more to get into it. There's 259 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: a guy by the name of John Bunyan and he 260 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: wrote The Pilgrim's Progress. Well, some say that he was 261 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: also a lumberjack back in England, and so there's actually, 262 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: I believe the statue of this guy in believe it 263 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: or not, in the Carolinas. So it was kind of 264 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: a kind of a fictitional character that came about, but 265 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: it was also i think based off a real character 266 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: from over in Europe and then came over here to 267 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: the United States and became really big. 268 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 3: Okay, that's almost like a historical novel. Someone can write 269 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: a novel, but it is the storyline is based on 270 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 3: actual facts in history. Okay. So of everything acts throwing, 271 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: log rolling, cross cut, sawring, which is the most difficult 272 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: in your opinion or have you done it so often 273 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 3: and for so long that all of them for you 274 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 3: are like rolling out of bed in the morning. 275 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of like rolling in the bed. Log 276 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: rolling if you learn when you're kid. When you're a kid, 277 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: it's much easier because weight spends a log. When you 278 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: become an adult, it actually, you know, the more weight 279 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: to fashion, the log's going to want to go. So 280 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: if you learn those skills before you get big and large, 281 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: then of course you're going to be very good at it. 282 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: As I believe it or not, is one of the 283 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: toughest anybody can throw an axe, But to get really 284 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: good at it, it takes years of practice and dedication. 285 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: Crosscuts signs tough. Chain sign is tough. It's just these skills. 286 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: You've got to practice, just like if you're playing professional 287 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: baseball or basketball or football. You just got to really 288 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: hone your skills to be the best. And even those 289 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: that are very very good at it, you will have 290 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: to be lucky and born with special kills to even 291 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: achieve more. 292 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 3: Well, Lee La Captain, I think it's going to be 293 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: a great weekend for you up at the tops Field 294 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 3: Fair beginning on Saturday the eleventh, Sunday the twelfth, and 295 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: Monday the thirteenth. If I'm reading my calendar correctly and 296 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: people can stop by and see what time does the 297 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 3: show start each day or is it different. 298 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: Times, there's three shows a day that are going to 299 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: be going on and it's going to be really exciting. 300 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: I know. Last time we were there many years back, 301 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: the stands were packed to full, so people actually started 302 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: coming in an hour and a half just to get 303 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: a decent seat in there. The best part about it 304 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: is when you're watching this show at thirty to forty 305 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: five minutes a show, it's action packed, it's exciting, no politics, 306 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: and believe it or not, it's good old fashioned family humor. 307 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: It's dad jokes to the best, and I can't tell 308 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: you any more than that you're gonna have a blast. 309 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: You got to come and see it. 310 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure a lot of people are marketing on 311 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 3: the calendar. What time is the first show if you 312 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 3: want to let us know that way people might be. 313 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: Able to get there early with I want to say 314 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: it's right around the noon. Is one o'clock time. I 315 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: may be wrong. I really don't know, but I know 316 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: that it will be also on the fair's website. 317 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 3: Tops Field Fair. I wish you good luck. I hope 318 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 3: the weather is going to hold off. We may have 319 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 3: a little bit of rain on Sunday, but I'm sure 320 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 3: the Lumberjacks will. We'll work on through that, that's for sure. Lee. 321 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 3: Thanks very much. Lee, the captain of the Paul Bunyan 322 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 3: Lumberjacks show with the tops Field Fair. Thanks so much. Lee. 323 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: I enjoyed it too, all right, thank you. All right, 324 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 3: we get back right after the news. Are going to 325 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: talk about another weekend activity for families the American Heritage Museum. 326 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 3: But we have the news coming up, and right after 327 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 3: that we will talk to you on the other side. 328 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 3: My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside. Stay right 329 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 3: with us. You're listening to WBZ, Boston's news radio. 330 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 331 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 3: All right, well, and welcome hundred Cheney. He's the director 332 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 3: of Marketing, Communications and Education at the American Heritage Museum. 333 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 3: Haunt to Cheney, Welcome. Tell us about the American Heritage Museum. 334 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 3: I know that people here in New England, some people 335 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 3: know a lot about it, but there are some people 336 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 3: who might not be familiar with The American Heritage Museum 337 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 3: is not physically in the city of Boston, but it's 338 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 3: easy to get to from anywhere in New England, including Boston. 339 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's located in Hudson and so this really an 340 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 6: extraordinary museum. We opened up the American Heritage Museum in 341 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 6: twenty nineteen, an institution dedicated to preserving and presenting the 342 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 6: history of American military innovation through military and of course 343 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 6: a fight for freedom. And the museum features one of 344 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 6: the most really extensive collections of armored vehicles and military artifacts, 345 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 6: historic aircraft that really span the history of the United States. 346 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 6: So it features mostly a large portion of it is 347 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 6: the Jacques Littlefield collection of armored vehicles and tanks, but 348 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 6: the museum really spans from the Revolutionary War up through 349 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 6: the Civil War into World War One, world War Two, 350 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 6: both a European Theater and the Pacific Theater, and then 351 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 6: it goes on to Korea, Vietnam all the way up 352 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 6: to current times. So as you tour through this, it's 353 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 6: really an expansive museum. When you walk through it, you're 354 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 6: walking basically a chronology of American history through the military. 355 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: Well, this is a great location, and certainly you opened 356 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 3: it a tough time twenty nineteen, just before cold Yeah, 357 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 3: it's almost amazing that you're doing as well as you 358 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 3: had done. How tough was it during the COVID years 359 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: where nobody was going anywhere? And what is it like 360 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 3: now you're open year round? 361 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, yeah, Dan, the COVID really that the brutal 362 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 6: part to that is we had just opened up in 363 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 6: twenty nineteen and we were open for about three months 364 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 6: when COVID hit, and that put us down for about 365 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 6: a year and a half. But the museums open from 366 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 6: Wednesdays through Sundays ten to five o'clock, and it's it's. 367 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 3: But year round, but it was its summertime, yeah, spring, summer, 368 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 3: winter and fall, every everything. I know that you have 369 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 3: a lot of activity there. Not only there is the 370 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 3: museum a place that people, as you said, can walk through, 371 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: but you also had demonstrations that people can watch. 372 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 6: Correct, Yeah, and so coming up this is actually our 373 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 6: eighteenth year hosting this extraordinary living history event. So think 374 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 6: of World War Two. It's a world to reenactment called 375 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 6: Battle for the Airfield. So kind of the picture this 376 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 6: scenario where it's mid nineteen forty four, the Allied forces 377 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 6: have just landed in Normandy, they're making their way through France, 378 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 6: and the Germans have captured the airfield. So we have 379 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 6: this area where all these encampments are set up, and 380 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 6: it's up to the Allied forces that are over the 381 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 6: horizon in another area of the property, and it's up 382 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 6: to them to kind of take over the German forces 383 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 6: in this dynamically choreographed battle. And we do two of 384 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,199 Speaker 6: them per day. We have one at eleven and another 385 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 6: one at three o'clock. And so during these these battles, 386 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 6: these reenactments, this is a great chance for us to 387 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 6: pull out a lot of the armor that we have 388 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 6: in the museum, and other people, other operators bring their 389 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 6: equipment to the museum and we have all kinds of 390 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 6: World War Two armor, the Sherman tank and the Chaffey 391 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 6: tank and the German equipment, and they're all out operating 392 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 6: and it's really kind of a neat way, very immersive 393 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 6: way to look at World War two history. And the 394 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 6: re enactors themselves, they really act as docents. They're telling 395 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 6: the life of a World War Two soldier. 396 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 3: Now you have an admission, and again I think it's 397 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 3: a reasonably priced admission. Tell us about that. 398 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 6: So the admission for a single day admission is forty 399 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 6: four adults, thirty five for seniors and veterans, and twenty 400 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 6: five for the kids under sixteen. And we also have 401 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 6: weekend passes that either seventy or sixty or forty that 402 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 6: we offer as well. And the neat thing to this too, 403 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 6: if you have, if they have the financial wherewithal and 404 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 6: you want to do something kind of neat during this weekend. 405 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 6: In addition to the reenactment in our Veterans round table, 406 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 6: we also offer rides in the tank for a fee, 407 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 6: and so it's quite an experience, but it's also pretty expensive. 408 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 6: For instance, M twenty four to Chaffy ride is five 409 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 6: hundred and ninety five dollars for three people, and you 410 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 6: also have the opportunity to ride in the m for 411 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 6: Sherman tank and in this case we take two people 412 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 6: for that same cost. 413 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 3: So first, well, thanks very much for letting us know that. 414 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 3: I want to make sure if anybody goes up there, 415 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 3: they understand the price of admission gets you. The tour, 416 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 3: gets you to sit or stand and watch the choreographed battles, 417 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 3: which I'm sure no live fire, probably I hope, so 418 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 3: it's no dangerous or anything like that. And then if 419 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 3: there are people up there who go up and want 420 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 3: to have this once in a lifetime experience, that it's 421 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 3: a little pricey, but people need to know that, need 422 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 3: to know that in advance. Is the museum doing well? 423 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 3: I have to assume, do you do you have people 424 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 3: coming in from different parts of the world, because I 425 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 3: kind of imagine there are too many museums around the 426 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: country which has as much original legitimate paraphernalia on equipment. 427 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 6: Yeah, and especially a museum like this that really spans 428 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 6: from the very very early years of the United States 429 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 6: all the way up to current time. It's the only 430 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 6: museum like this in North America. There's other similar military 431 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 6: history museums around, but this one's unique primarily through the 432 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 6: collection itself is very rare, and the way it's presented 433 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 6: is also very immersive. It's really fascinating, and we really 434 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 6: try and capture a lot of the human interest in 435 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 6: this too as well. So it's a real journey when 436 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 6: people come through it. 437 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 3: Now, at what age do kids I mean, I'm assuming 438 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 3: that adults and teens are going to be fascinated by 439 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 3: this because they have a sense of history, But at 440 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: what age do kids lock in? I mean, I'm assuming 441 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 3: that you that kids you can come whether they're one, two, three, four, five, six, 442 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 3: But at what age does it really do you think 443 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: these kids connect and realize, Hey, this is part of 444 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 3: our country and the history. 445 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 6: I've been amazed Dan at how many of the young kids, 446 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 6: we're talking four to five year olds absorb the history 447 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 6: that they're seeing and acknowledge it. It is a family 448 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 6: friendly museum. Of course, it's around war, so you got 449 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 6: to consider that, right. The subject matter is is something 450 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 6: pretty important to get across the kids. But the way 451 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 6: the narrative of the museum really appeals to the full 452 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 6: range of audiences, and uh, it's a it's a it's 453 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 6: something that families really enjoy and it gives a time 454 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 6: also for the parents to kind of share a little 455 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 6: bit about their knowledge of the history that they're seeing 456 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 6: too with their kids as a way to better understand it. 457 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 6: And that's what the museum's all about, is remembering this 458 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 6: history right, and so it's it's done thoughtfully that way, it's. 459 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 3: It sounds like a great, great take. If folks want 460 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: to get tickets, ae wume, it's always good to purchase 461 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 3: in advance, or if they want to get more information, 462 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: give us the website. 463 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, American Heritage Museum dot org. 464 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 3: Perfect, perfect, real, simple, all one word American Heritage Museum 465 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 3: dot org. Hunter Cheney, thank you so much. The best 466 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 3: explanation that I have heard of what is involved at 467 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 3: the American Heritage Museum. And it seems to me that 468 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 3: it's in all of our backyards. Everyone at some point 469 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 3: you take an opportunity to stop by and see the 470 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 3: weirs that you folks have assembled and the shows that 471 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 3: you put on. Thanks so much for being with. 472 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 6: Us, Hunter, an absolute pleasure. Dan, thank you for having me. 473 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 3: All Right, we get back on the other side. We're 474 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 3: going to talk about an upcoming documentary that has a 475 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 3: local twist. Executive producer of the film is Gary Sonise. 476 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 3: I do want to mention to you that we still 477 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 3: have our talkback feature iHeartRadio Talkback feature. 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My name's Dan Ray, this is Nightside. 494 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 3: We'll be back with an upcoming documentary that is really 495 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 3: about a very interesting and well recognized Massachusetts teacher. 496 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 2: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio. 497 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 3: All right, welcome back. We are going to talk with 498 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 3: Brendan Mallett. Brendan's an award winning producer, director with storyteller 499 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 3: dedicated to bringing military and veteran stories to the screen. Brandan. 500 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 3: Welcome to Nightside. How are you this evening? 501 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: Hi? 502 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 5: Dan, I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on. 503 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: And you have produced a documentary which is entitled cross 504 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 3: c R O F T. That is not an acronym. 505 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 3: That is the last name of the person whose life 506 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 3: you focus on. His name is Halcroft, decorated Vietnam veteran, 507 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 3: beloved Massachusetts teacher and a legendary track coach at Reading 508 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 3: Memorial High School. Tell us about the subject, hal Croft, 509 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 3: how did you folks find about this story and bring 510 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 3: it bring it to life? Although Halcroft, as I understand 511 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 3: that it is still very much alive. This is a 512 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 3: documentary in conjunction with Gary Sinisee, the famous actor from Hollywood. 513 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, first and foremost, how was my teacher and coach 514 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 5: back in high school? 515 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 3: And I knew him? 516 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: Well, that's a good. 517 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 5: Well, and so I was aware, even back then in 518 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 5: high school that he was a larger than life character. 519 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 5: I've said this many times over the years, but it 520 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 5: was almost as if he was lifted out of one 521 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 5: of the Hemingway novels he was teaching us in English class. 522 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 5: He was sort of mythological. 523 00:30:59,000 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: In that sense. 524 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 5: But then, of course there was this astonishing winning streak, 525 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 5: so he led them. He led the Writing Memorial High 526 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 5: School teams twenty nine consecutive undefeated seasons. I knew all 527 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 5: about that because I was on the team. I was 528 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 5: a sprinter on the team, and so that was astonishing 529 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 5: to me, and those two things alone were worthy of 530 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 5: the story. But then some years later I would learn 531 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 5: about his incredible combat heroics and Vietnam, which earned him 532 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 5: both the Silver and Bronze Stars, and then I felt 533 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 5: like this was a story banging to be told, and 534 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 5: I just feel lucky I'm the guy that gets to 535 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 5: tell it. 536 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 3: Okay, so how long was I mean you had to 537 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 3: get him to agree? Number one? Normally, someone like that 538 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 3: probably is a little tough to persuade, because I think 539 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 3: people who have extraordinary backgrounds are you know, they allow 540 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 3: their life to speak for themselves in their life. You 541 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 3: had to say, Hey, look, we want to do a 542 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 3: documentary on you. How long did it take you to 543 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 3: pull the whole thing together? 544 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 5: I got to tell you the very first conversation with him, 545 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 5: he was definitely ready to do the film. And I think, 546 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 5: you know, he's retired now in a reflective space, probably 547 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 5: you know, looking back upon his life, and I think 548 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 5: he was excited about the prospect of not only telling 549 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 5: his story, but reconnecting with people from his past. And 550 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 5: so from that very first conversation, you know, I said, I, 551 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 5: you know, this is something I'm thinking about doing, and 552 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 5: he said, I'm in. Let's do it. 553 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: And so we. 554 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 5: Met at the Endover Public Library. It was our first 555 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 5: first meeting, and that was now going back almost three 556 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 5: years ago. But from there it just sort of took 557 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,479 Speaker 5: on a life of its own. And here we are 558 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 5: ready to premiere in a couple of weeks at globedocs. 559 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 5: So very excited about it. 560 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 3: So where where will the premiere be? 561 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 5: The premiere is at the Globedox Film Festival. So this 562 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 5: is a documentary film festival in Boston run by the 563 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 5: Boston Globe. It's the perfect venue for this film because 564 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 5: he's a Boston legend and we can't do this in 565 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 5: his backyard. So very excited about it. So October twenty 566 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 5: fourth is the world and. 567 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 3: So you have a world premiere. Is this the sort 568 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 3: of film or biopic? I don't know if it's correct 569 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 3: to call it a biopic. If you're talking about somebody 570 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 3: who wanted to a bronze star on a silver star, 571 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 3: that had to be a story in of itself, never 572 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 3: mind the legendary record as a coach. Where do you 573 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 3: eventually take this documentary? Does it end up on a 574 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 3: Netflix or a Peacock? Does it end up in movie theaters? 575 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 3: What's the what's the aspiration? 576 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? 577 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 5: Sure, And by the way, you've identified the greatest challenge 578 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 5: of this film, and it's trying to boil Halcross's life 579 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 5: down to ninety five minutes, which was very difficult. But 580 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 5: you know, I think through through sit down interviews and 581 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,719 Speaker 5: through you know, archival footage but also some really highly 582 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 5: stylized recreations, we bring this story to life. And to 583 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 5: answer your question, I think, you know, the dream is 584 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 5: to get this in front of as many people as possible. 585 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 5: So you go to a film festival, like logos, hope 586 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 5: to get a little bit of buzz, a little bit 587 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 5: of energy, and then find a distributor who's going to 588 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 5: help you get it, you know, either on a streaming 589 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 5: platform or in theaters. 590 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: It's tough. 591 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 5: It's a tough go for documentaries in theaters, but it's 592 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 5: not unheard of, so it's certainly a possibility. But I 593 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 5: think a streaming network is certainly a goal for us 594 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 5: as we entered this part of the process. 595 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 3: Now, how did Gary Sinise get involved? Obviously Gary Sinise 596 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 3: played the Lieutenant Dan, if I'm not mistaken, so he 597 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,959 Speaker 3: certainly has a connection to the Vietnam era. 598 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 5: He does for sure, And he was actually the first 599 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 5: call I made when I decided to make a film. 600 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 5: I'd actually met him twenty years ago at a film 601 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 5: festival my wife and I co founded called the gi 602 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 5: Film Festival. It was a military film festival, and so 603 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 5: he brought him out. We screened Force Gump, you know, 604 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 5: you know, and of course, as you mentioned, he played 605 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 5: Lieutenant Dan, and he just sort of he's a big 606 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,479 Speaker 5: support of the military. His heart is really pure for 607 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 5: the military, and so he kept coming back year after year, 608 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 5: and we became friends and and I'd decided to do 609 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 5: this story. I called him up. I started to tell 610 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 5: him how story. He stopped me halfway and said, I'm 611 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 5: one hundred percent and just tell me what you need. 612 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 5: So he's been We're We're very lucky to have him involved. 613 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 3: Boy, that's that's fabulous. I wish your best of luck 614 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 3: with it. How can the average person who's listening tonight 615 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 3: and is interested, how can they somehow connect with you 616 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 3: or connect with the film. I'm assuming that the Globe 617 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 3: doc is probably something that's invitation only, or am I 618 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 3: wrong on that? 619 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 5: No, there are some tickets now, We've sold a lot 620 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 5: and they sold really quickly, but I think there's still 621 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 5: limited number of tickets left, possibly for that screen on 622 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 5: October twenty fourth. But what I tell people is to 623 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 5: go to holcroftfilm dot com and sign up for our 624 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 5: insider's newsletter. That's what we post everything about this film. 625 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 5: That's those are the people who will learn first and 626 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 5: before we go to social media. So howcroftfilm dot com Okay? 627 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 3: Perfect? J L CROs Film filmall one word dot com. 628 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 3: Really enjoyed the conversation, Brandon, best of luck. We need 629 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 3: more movies like this, need more documentaries like this. There 630 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 3: are a lot of people who have done extraordinary things, 631 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 3: but this has to be really at the top of 632 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 3: the pile. It decorated Vietnam veteran, Bronze Star, silver Star, 633 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 3: and a legendary track and field coach. Boy, that's quite 634 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 3: a resume. Thanks Brendan. We'll look forward to helping you 635 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 3: out on this at some point along the way. 636 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 5: Okay, that sounds terrific. Thanks, Dan, appreciate it. 637 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 3: You very welcome. When we get back, we're going to 638 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 3: talk about the development of the last twenty four hours 639 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 3: and that is the prospect for an actual piece in 640 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 3: the Middle East. We have a two guests coming up. 641 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 3: Jeff Kosowski from Newton. I think you remember him. I 642 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 3: interviewed him a year and a half ago. They had 643 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 3: posters of all of the hostages which were defaced and 644 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 3: then a huge rally in Newton. I will also be 645 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 3: speaking with the Israeli Consul General, Benny Sharoni. And this 646 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 3: has been an extraordinary development development. Let's hope it can 647 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 3: stay on track and we can finally have peace in 648 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 3: the Middle East, genuine peace. Coming back on Nightside right 649 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 3: after the nine o'clock news