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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it's exciting because that just means there's a

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Speaker 2: And it really is a new definition of lifelong learning

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Speaker 2: Yeah? They have the bus service comes right up front

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Speaker 1: You thought of everything, I hope we did. What about lunch,

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Speaker 1: I No, I think it's awesome And I'm really excited

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Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. Yeah, extremely close tolerances. And we're doing it

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Speaker 2: And you know, this country always was known for making things,

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Speaker 1: I wish more universities would do what you're doing at Miami. Really,

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Speaker 1: good for all of us. Absolutely. All right, Gregory Crawford,

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Speaker 1: gonna hang around, but not quite developing a full cold.

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Speaker 1: At least it's not the flu. I'll take that any

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Speaker 1: day of the week. Well, home to the show on

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Speaker 1: this Thursday morning and made at back half of the week.

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Speaker 1: It was all good. We've got lots going on the

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Speaker 1: show today. Later at eleven oh seven, council Member Anna

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Speaker 1: Albion regarding the city paying almost one hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: per kid to house them in the Curfew center, So

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Speaker 1: four kids who were not collected from their parents or

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Speaker 1: guardians when it came to curfew violations. And have a

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Speaker 1: reasonable question, gona really worth it, because you know I'll

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Speaker 1: it for seventy five. Bring one of my house, I'll

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Speaker 1: watch them for seventy five. Grand Well, that parents show.

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Speaker 1: What's the worst that could happen? What's the worst that

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Speaker 1: could happen. I want to get to some of the

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Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie stuff in the second because we have some

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Speaker 1: developing information about that. But first though, kind of circling

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Speaker 1: back to the last Yesterday show. If you heard it,

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Speaker 1: hang on a second. If you didn't hear it, you

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Speaker 1: can catch that via the podcast on the iHeart Radio

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Speaker 1: app for free. And maybe you're heading out and you couldn't,

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Speaker 1: you can always take us on your headphones. Who We're portable.

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Speaker 1: We go wherever you are, We follow you around. We're stalkers.

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Speaker 1: We should get you should have a restraining order put

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Speaker 1: out against the iHeart Radio app and seven hundred w

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Speaker 1: But I do that if I were you, because we're

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Speaker 1: kind of creepy that way. We go wherever you want,

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Speaker 1: where you go. So yesterday in the show, I had

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Speaker 1: Adam Bird on. Adam of course front of the show.

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Speaker 1: He's a lawmaker from New Richmond State representative out of

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Speaker 1: Claremont County, and he's co sponsoring legislation to ban high

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Speaker 1: school and IL deals because and you know rightly, so

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Speaker 1: you saw what happened in college. We saw the problems

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Speaker 1: that's created with college. But I would contend that that's

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Speaker 1: not a problem. It's evolution. It's not what we're used to.

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Speaker 1: And anytime you introduce a game changer like that's something

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Speaker 1: that just absolutely shifts the earth. They are gonna be

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Speaker 1: obviously unintended consequences, but you're gonna look at it go wow,

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Speaker 1: this is really jacked up right now. Eventually it will

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Speaker 1: settle down. Eventually water finds its own level. So certainly

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Speaker 1: for the next few years it's going to be problematic

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Speaker 1: with college and NIL and you know, sports betting and

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Speaker 1: all those other things that factor into this untill we,

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Speaker 1: you know, learn some lessons here and come up with

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Speaker 1: the best practices in the solution. And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe it is banning, maybe, but I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: going to go back that way. He is concerned about

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Speaker 1: this when it comes to high school athletes. Now you

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Speaker 1: know me when it comes to and I don't care

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Speaker 1: who the hell's in power, That's where I come from.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's a Republican or Democrat. I

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Speaker 1: just I want less of these guys in friend in

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Speaker 1: my life. And you could talk about Obamacare and healthcare,

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Speaker 1: I could talk about Trump wanting to nationalize or federalize elections.

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Speaker 1: At this point, I just we need less of them

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Speaker 1: because whatever they touch turns to crap. Quite honestly, like

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Speaker 1: the less you guys do, the less you're involved in

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Speaker 1: my day to day life, the better. So I look

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Speaker 1: at this and go, okay, well, we want to ban

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Speaker 1: nil money in high school. Well why would we do that.

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Speaker 1: Here's the explanation Atedinburg gave on the floor yesterday.

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Speaker 4: If someone is so talented athletically, then by all means

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Speaker 4: take advantage of the opportunities that exist in the Olympics,

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Speaker 4: that exist in professional tours, that exist in going to

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Speaker 4: college early and making nil money early as at college athletes.

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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure what that remedy is that Okay, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: leave go high school, will go to college, go early.

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Speaker 1: I don't know you're gonna be able to do that necessarily,

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Speaker 1: or go play on the tour or whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people who are you know,

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Speaker 1: exceptional what they do at sports in this case will

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Speaker 1: do that. You know, we saw my Lebron James, great example,

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Speaker 1: but those are so few and far between. I guess

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Speaker 1: I look at it and Okay, what is the what's

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Speaker 1: the dangerer while we're corrupting these kids, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: undermining amateur athletics. And it's a huge, huge, huge problem.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how big a problem it is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you think about the anil On high school college

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Speaker 1: you're a professional athlete at that point. How many kids

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Speaker 1: in Ohio is this really going to effect? I mean

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Speaker 1: we're talking maybe life changing money. Let's say your kid

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Speaker 1: mister of football Ohio lock to be the first overall

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Speaker 1: pick in the NFL draft. My kids, a quarterback is

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Speaker 1: so good that teams, the NFL teams are really salivating

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Speaker 1: and we're hoping that because it will be the Cleveland

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Speaker 1: because I always do, and they'll screw this kid up.

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Speaker 1: So we gotta get our money. Now. Hopefully we don't

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Speaker 1: go to Cleveland or the Jets. But you have a

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Speaker 1: chance to make literally life changing money in a country

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Speaker 1: where capitalism is king and our president is exactly is

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Speaker 1: the poster boy for capitalism, right, the guy we got

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Speaker 1: now the guys the standard barrier party is literally you

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Speaker 1: look up capitalists. It's a picture of President Trump. Why

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Speaker 1: are we not doing this when it comes to high

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Speaker 1: school Like, if you have a talent or a nobility

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Speaker 1: that no one else has, or you're the best at

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Speaker 1: that particular talent ability, how can you deny them the

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Speaker 1: right to profit from their own name, image, and likeness,

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Speaker 1: and why should the government interfere with that? Well, you're

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Speaker 1: ruining schools. How are we ruining schools? Look at our

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Speaker 1: schools are run. Look at our schools are funded and finance.

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Speaker 1: Look at our test scores compared to the rest of

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Speaker 1: the world. You've already screwed the schools. This is not

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Speaker 1: gonna screw the schools up more. The stuff we worry about,

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Speaker 1: the handwringing and the pro clutching, is unreal. If my

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Speaker 1: kid is so good and he gives you thing, well,

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Speaker 1: you can't have a kid make more money than the

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Speaker 1: bus driver, the janitor, or the teacher. Yeah you can, Yes,

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Speaker 1: you can. A doctor who has come up with a

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Speaker 1: cure for Alzheimer's or cancer, whatever it might be, is

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Speaker 1: still going to make less money than the best head

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Speaker 1: coach of the National Football League? Is that right now?

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Speaker 1: From an ethical standpoint, if you take it all the

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Speaker 1: way go, yeah, it's kind of jacked up. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we always hear from teachers the educator. Oh, teachers should

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Speaker 1: be making millions of dollars a year. No they shouldn't, No,

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Speaker 1: they shouldn't. Do you know why teachers make the money

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Speaker 1: they do because we have enough teachers. When we start

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Speaker 1: to run out of teachers, then teachers will make more.

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Speaker 1: It is about having about having an intangible benefit or

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Speaker 1: skill that no one else has. So is it fair

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Speaker 1: that a plastic surgeon makes a measurably more money than

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Speaker 1: an er doctor. Well, now, the er doctors, they are

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Speaker 1: saving people's lives and this guy's just doing cosmetic surgery. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but again it's a specialty. He's good at one particular craft.

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Speaker 1: He's making way more money. I mean, it doesn't sound fair,

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Speaker 1: but life isn't about things being fair all the time.

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Speaker 1: When you and so now they're saying, well, now you can't.

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Speaker 1: You can't profit from your name age. It's my name,

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Speaker 1: it's my image of my likeness. And if the schools

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Speaker 1: are telling me no, I got a problem with that.

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Speaker 1: By really have a problem with a politician telling me that.

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Speaker 1: A lawmaker and I love I love Adam. We've been

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Speaker 1: them before and talk. It's not a personal attack by

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Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination. I think we just differ

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Speaker 1: philosophically on why this intervention is needed. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know how many kids it's going to affect. Typically, if

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Speaker 1: you know you're a standout athlete, you're the high school

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Speaker 1: football star in rural Ohio, you know you're not going

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Speaker 1: to get a million dollar contract from a local muffler shop.

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Speaker 1: You might, you know, your parents might get a free

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Speaker 1: muffler out of it. Maybe you got some walking around money,

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Speaker 1: but it's not life changing most because I won't get

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Speaker 1: life changing money. I would say if your kid is

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Speaker 1: a you know, maybe they go to school in Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: and they go to the Academy Performing Arts right, and wow,

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Speaker 1: they're really talented. They're gonna be anoche agen see that

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Speaker 1: the time. Right kids are in shows and national they're

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Speaker 1: making good money they're getting paid. We should we ban

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Speaker 1: a kid who's a good actor, actress, a singer, a musician,

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Speaker 1: an artist. What about a kid who I don't know?

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Speaker 1: This happens occasionally. It's pretty rare, I would imagine, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know. They're they're really scientifically minded, and at

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Speaker 1: the science fair they come up with I don't know,

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Speaker 1: some sort of alternative to some sort of I don't know,

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Speaker 1: you name it. And so the sciences are like a

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Speaker 1: company goes, Wow, that's a really good idea. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: buy the product. Like buy the product like they do

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Speaker 1: a shark tank. Should we prevent that from happening because

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Speaker 1: it's exploiting the kid? And no, of course we'd celebrate that.

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Speaker 1: Go well, because you're using your mind. I just don't

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Speaker 1: know what the what the beef is with athletes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think we pay way too much attention to amateur sports,

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Speaker 1: particular kids. But you know, it's think we got to

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Speaker 1: stop the commercialization exploitition. Guess what, it's already happened. If

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Speaker 1: you're going to do that, then go after the the

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Speaker 1: largely private progial schools. This is not a secret that

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Speaker 1: that those schools will recruit active, recruit kids around the country,

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Speaker 1: move them to the district, put it put you, put

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Speaker 1: the family up in the house, make sure that parents

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Speaker 1: have jobs so the kid can play sports for the school.

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Speaker 1: Happens all the time. It's been happening for years. Why

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Speaker 1: are you going to stop that? No? Just this, what's

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Speaker 1: the difference. It's like, you know, arguing about prostitution in

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Speaker 1: a way, Well, you can't pay someone to have sex

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Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, but if I like pretend they're my

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Speaker 1: girlfriend and I'm the sugar daddy and put them in

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Speaker 1: a department and pay for their tuition, it well, that's

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Speaker 1: a relationship. No, it's not. It's prostitution. I'm giving them

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Speaker 1: material benefit in exchange for in this case sex. You know,

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Speaker 1: we already do this all the time. I just I

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Speaker 1: don't understand why they need to be more active in

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Speaker 1: our lives every day. Like, no one's no one's demanding this.

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Speaker 1: I get it that you have a fear, like, wow,

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Speaker 1: look at us school colleges. Like here's the other thing

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Speaker 1: is you go to school for education, and maybe not

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Speaker 1: so much at college, but that is the primary thing

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Speaker 1: that you do, and especially in high school. And so

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Speaker 1: this is a small part of that, I know, I'd

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Speaker 1: say to me, it's a solution in search of a problem.

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Speaker 1: But all me more testimony on this coming up. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure I did want to get into the Savannah Guthrie

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Speaker 1: thing a little bit. So we have some new data,

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Speaker 1: new data, new information coming up about this. So we

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Speaker 1: are on the fifth day for the search for eighty

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Speaker 1: four year old mother Savannah Guthrie and Nanty Guthrie. Apparently

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Speaker 1: the ransom note is now being circulated. TMZ had it,

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Speaker 1: but also an Arizona TV station had news anchor saw this.

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Speaker 1: The Shari Pololo of Arizona, if you will, sent it

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Speaker 1: to that came through an email to the station. And

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Speaker 1: that's not uncommon, you know, back when you had ransom

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Speaker 1: notes and things like that, that they would include the media.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's typically with like a son of Sam

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Speaker 1: and serial killers, they'd send notices to the media to

647
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Speaker 1: let them know and here's what's happening, and this is

648
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Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do next. And this was just concerning

649
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Speaker 1: in the sense because they weren't sure one hundred percent

650
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Speaker 1: if it is indeed a legitimate threat, because there are

651
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Speaker 1: a lot of crackpots out there, and if you're a

652
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: crackpot and you do these kind of things, and you

653
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Speaker 1: want to send us stuff, send it directly. Here's the

654
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Speaker 1: email address. If you're not even you're doing crazy stuff

655
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Speaker 1: like this, send it to Willie at seven hundred ww

656
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Speaker 1: dot com. And Nancy got the ransom note. They weren't sure.

657
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Speaker 1: The anchor, I guess, looked at the said I don't

658
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Speaker 1: know if this is real or not, but it was clear.

659
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Speaker 1: After a couple of sentences, she said that it might

660
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Speaker 1: not be a hoax because a lot of information in

661
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Speaker 1: the ransom note was someone who's holding her fends would

662
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Speaker 1: know only know what she was wearing and everything else

663
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Speaker 1: sensitive information that someone off the street wouldn't and they

664
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Speaker 1: gave a dollar amount, they gave a deadline and specifics

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Speaker 1: to Nancy Guthrie that the abductor would know when no

666
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Speaker 1: one else will. So that was a red flag. She

667
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Speaker 1: forded this to the FBI that it wasn't a prank.

668
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: There's some legitimacy here. Again, we don't know what the

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Speaker 1: details of this are, if that was indeed the same

670
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Speaker 1: ransom note, if indeed this exists or not, but that

671
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Speaker 1: is what's dropped. Yeah, it's pretty disturbing, and so they're

672
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Speaker 1: asking for money by a certain amount of time, a deadline,

673
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Speaker 1: and it's got to be done via crypto. I was

674
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Speaker 1: talking about this yesterday going r answer notes. Get we

675
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Speaker 1: saw the golden age of this happened in the twenties

676
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Speaker 1: and thirties, and then they abducted Charles Lindsburg's son and

677
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Speaker 1: you know, he's dead, and that's when the FBI said, Okay,

678
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Speaker 1: we're going to make this federal offense. We're going to

679
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Speaker 1: use the power. And it really shut that whole in

680
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Speaker 1: because it was huge back of the day, and it

681
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: surfaced a little bit maybe during the seventies, and you know,

682
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Speaker 1: like anything, it's cyclical, and now it's coming back because

683
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Speaker 1: a crypto go ow I can hold somebody hostage and

684
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: now you can send me untraceable money. But again, you

685
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Speaker 1: still are committing a federal offense. And you know, your

686
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Speaker 1: world right now if the person the people or person

687
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Speaker 1: responsible for this, your world is about the size of

688
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Speaker 1: a pinhead right now, because you literally have the entire

689
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Speaker 1: country engrossed in this, all the TV style and other

690
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Speaker 1: news media, but in particular the Federal Bureau of Investigation,

691
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Speaker 1: and I think President Trump call sav Anagusta yesterday said,

692
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Speaker 1: you know, whatever resources you need, you got and so

693
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: that world is definitely closing in, which makes you think

694
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Speaker 1: that the people not thinking all that well, So who

695
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: done it is the question here. Savannah Guthrie and her siblings,

696
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Speaker 1: Annie and Cameron, her her sister and her brother. She

697
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: read a very tearful Instagram video yesterday and it's hard

698
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Speaker 1: to watch because you see how broken she is. But Nancy,

699
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Speaker 1: her mom, was last seen around nine forty five pm Saturday,

700
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Speaker 1: after her son in law and this would be Annie,

701
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 1: her sister's husband. So her brother in law dropped her

702
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: off at her home in Tucson, and after that she

703
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Speaker 1: disappeared because I guess that her mom and the son

704
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Speaker 1: in law and Annie had dinner together that night and

705
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Speaker 1: he dropped her off. He's a science teacher, I guess,

706
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Speaker 1: and dropped her off before safely. And then that was

707
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Speaker 1: the last day I was so investigation it's going to

708
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Speaker 1: start with the last person who saw you. We always

709
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Speaker 1: start with the family. I'm sure Savannah Guthrie has been questioned,

710
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Speaker 1: even though I'm sure the alibi as well. I was

711
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Speaker 1: on my way to the Olympics. Pretty good alibi right there,

712
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Speaker 1: and then you start looking at the family of the

713
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Speaker 1: people who saw her last and that would have been

714
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Speaker 1: her family members, which is absolutely chilling anyone. They go, well, yeah,

715
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Speaker 1: clearly they did it. Well, we don't know that for sure,

716
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Speaker 1: but man, you start with the last people around you,

717
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Speaker 1: and I think that they were actually, as I saw,

718
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: sheriff's deputies and the FBI were going through their home

719
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Speaker 1: to see what they could find if there's any evidence

720
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: in there, which is perfectly understandable because you'd start there

721
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Speaker 1: and go, hey, we're going to get a search wark

722
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Speaker 1: your last ones to see her. We're going to check

723
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Speaker 1: and then eventually clear you and you start at the

724
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Speaker 1: core of the circle and work your way out. Doesn't

725
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Speaker 1: mean they did it or not, but you know, what's

726
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Speaker 1: the motive there? Is it financial? What why would you

727
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Speaker 1: do that if indeed it's your you know, it's your

728
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Speaker 1: mom and you just saw her. That's a great question.

729
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: Are there financial issues and the like? And so you know,

730
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Speaker 1: right now, I'm sure they're getting answers to that and

731
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Speaker 1: either focusing the search on her daughter and her son

732
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Speaker 1: in law, or they're world that out and expanded the search.

733
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Speaker 1: Right now. Anyway, there's I guess at one today the

734
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Speaker 1: sheriff there will give an update on this whole situation.

735
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: Horrible fair but new news coming out about that ransom note.

736
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Speaker 1: And you know, I think, at this stage of the game,

737
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Speaker 1: how well is this going to turn out? Hopefully she's

738
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Speaker 1: alive and well and they keep her somewhere to be

739
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Speaker 1: able to have her if indeed that is the case.

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Speaker 1: One of the most bizarre stories but gripping at the

741
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Speaker 1: same time, and we'll continue to follow it here. All right.

742
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Speaker 1: I got to give a shout out to our friends

743
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Speaker 1: at Dorothy Lane Market. They dropped food off to the

744
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Speaker 1: station I have not had. I've not had anything from

745
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Speaker 1: Dorothy Lane Market where I'm like, it's okay, everything is spectacular.

746
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Speaker 1: I don't know what they do. So they brought by

747
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Speaker 1: some roast beef tennderloin tray which is fantastic, beautiful, melt

748
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Speaker 1: in your mouth beef and shrimp tray, a messy tray

749
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Speaker 1: which is worsted vegetables and stuff, and the girlled veggies

750
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Speaker 1: were phenomenal, like a grilled zucchini and red pepper were

751
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: absolutely lovely. Cheese tray from the cheesemongers there a Dorothy

752
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: Lane Market. So it was absolutely fantastic. Appreciate them dropping

753
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: off lunch to the show here at Dorothy Lane Market.

754
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: Of course the original location in Dayton, but the new

755
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: one is right there in Mason, Mason, Montgomery and Western

756
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: Rural Road. And you know, I'm trying to think at

757
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Speaker 1: some point, well I have something there going well that

758
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Speaker 1: wasn't very good. I've yet to do that and spend

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Speaker 1: a couple months, a couple of months. Now. I may

760
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Speaker 1: swing by today, because I said I'm fighting off the call.

761
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Speaker 1: I may stop by and get some more. Last week

762
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Speaker 1: I got a great They do their in house homemade

763
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: ramen broth. You'd like to make your own ramen, get

764
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: the noodles there and everything. Fantastic Again, just the best

765
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Speaker 1: I would think about it, because they got a lot

766
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: of space there upstairs where you can you know, you

767
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: can have food cooked while you shop, or just go

768
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: there and eat. Couples do that. They've got like a

769
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: upstairs you go and bring your food. They bring your

770
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 1: food up there, and you sit there and have dinner

771
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Speaker 1: and maybe a shop before or after. I'm thinking about

772
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Speaker 1: moving in there. Fantastic. Just this is my little spot.

773
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Speaker 1: Put a tent in the cord. You won't know, you'll

774
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: never notice you want anyway, dor Thinglane Market, thanks for

775
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: dropping food off on the show here and we'll talk

776
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Speaker 1: about them, I'm sure in the future as well. It's

777
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: fantastic because it feels like a soup day and they

778
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: got awesome fresh soup too. Slowly on the Home of

779
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: the Red seven hundred WW since now slowly on seven

780
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Speaker 1: hundred WLW. I don't have to remind you, with now

781
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: what almost two full weeks and sub zero temperatures here

782
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: in this tri state, how hard your furnace is working,

783
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: and how much money you are spending. I had seen

784
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: the bility yet, but when it comes, you better be

785
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: laying down, not just sitting down. And demand has never

786
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Speaker 1: been greater as a matter of fact, with all demands

787
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Speaker 1: that we have on our energy supply right now, we're

788
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Speaker 1: looking at the future of brownouts and maybe blackouts. And

789
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: the reason driving this, of course is not just our

790
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: consumption when it's colder, when it's hot for that matter.

791
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: The bigger ones are like Butler County, Columbus. Right, We've

792
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: got these data centers going up AI. We have electrification

793
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: of vehicles twenty percent of all new car sales are

794
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 1: either hybrid or the nine percent are just full of evs.

795
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: Heat pump sales are going up. That's your air conditioning

796
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: and heating. It's a heat pump now. And six out

797
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: of ten heating installations here in Ohio are heat pumps.

798
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Speaker 1: And so we're especially vulnerable things like brownouts because the

799
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Speaker 1: supply doesn't meet the capacity and demand. So the Buck

800
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Speaker 1: Guy Institute's tasked with working with the US Department Energy

801
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: on solutions for this. And Ray Hederman is here once

802
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: again to discuss Ray.

803
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 5: Welcome back, Hi, Ben, I'm doing well, Scott, Thank you

804
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 5: for having me.

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Speaker 1: All Right, that's the thirty thousand foot view down to

806
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: earth here. What's really driving this whole thing? But i'd

807
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: imagine part of this has to do with innovation is

808
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: the regulatory barriers. Typically with energy, we see a lot

809
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: of that.

810
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, let's just recap what's happened. Normally,

811
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Speaker 5: energy projects take a long time to build out, and

812
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 5: energy demand with flat so you're not going to go

813
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 5: out and you're not going to build a whole bunch

814
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 5: of new power plants if you're not expecting customers then

815
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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, the last few years you know,

816
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Speaker 5: artificial intelligence. Everybody has phones, people are looking at Instagram, Facebook,

817
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 5: you know, using AI. AI takes about ten times as

818
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 5: much how today to get that answer as a Google

819
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Speaker 5: question ten years ago. So energy demand is skyrocketing, and

820
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Speaker 5: so now we need those data centers. The problem is

821
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Speaker 5: scott regulatory regulations have made it so painful to build

822
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Speaker 5: energy power plants that we're simply not getting electricity online

823
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Speaker 5: fast enough. And that's where we're going to start seeing

824
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Speaker 5: power spikes, potential brownouts. We're actually seeing data centers being

825
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 5: told no, you can't be built because we don't have

826
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Speaker 5: enough energy to meet the needs. What we've done at

827
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Speaker 5: the Buckeye Institute is work with state wallmakers and now

828
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Speaker 5: we're working with federal regulators to say this is what

829
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Speaker 5: needs to be happen so we can build the electricity

830
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Speaker 5: to keep electricity affordable and reliable.

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Speaker 1: How I just also has to do with the political

832
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: whips of Washington, DC. Whereas you had Trump, we're going

833
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: to do the Keystone XL pipeline. Great, we're going to

834
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Speaker 1: roll that thing out, and then Biden comes along says no,

835
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Speaker 1: we're not doing it anymore, and trust back in office.

836
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Speaker 1: While we're going to start doing it again.

837
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Speaker 5: Well, you know you've seen that. You've seen like the

838
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Speaker 5: Trump administration saying, hey, we're going to close intermittent energy.

839
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Speaker 5: You've had Democrats saying we're going to phase out coal plants.

840
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 5: I mean the last year that Biden administration, they said

841
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Speaker 5: we're going to eliminate basically make it almost impossible for

842
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Speaker 5: coal and natural gas plants to operate. That's why you

843
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 5: know pjm Our energy grid that Ohio shares with a

844
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Speaker 5: lot of other Blue states on the Atlantic Ocean. Dave

845
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Speaker 5: Yost of many other states sued the federal government, saying,

846
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Speaker 5: you can't do this because if you're turning off coal

847
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Speaker 5: plants or twilling off solar plants, where's our electricity going

848
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Speaker 5: to come from? That's dependable. I mean, if you look

849
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Speaker 5: outside Ohio, right here in central Ohio, it's not an

850
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 5: uncommon day, right, it's great, the sun doesn't shine as much.

851
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 5: Solar is great for some states, it's not ideal for

852
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Speaker 5: the state of Ohio and scott The other thing that's

853
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Speaker 5: happened is you've had a lot of other states that

854
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 5: have made a big deal, like New Jersey again, we

855
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Speaker 5: share the energy grew with New Jersey, they destroyed their

856
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Speaker 5: coal plants, that destroyed natural gas, and they based it

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00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 5: all on optional wind and intermittent injury sources. But those

858
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 5: simply don't have the same reliability or produce the same

859
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 5: amount of base load power, and so now do New Jersey.

860
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 5: A lot of other states have found themselves in an

861
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 5: energy crisis and are scrambling to meet the growing demand.

862
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: Ray if you travel through well the central part of

863
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: the state where you are, but up north a little bit,

864
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 1: or to drive Indianapolis to Chicago, you see a ton

865
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: of wind farms, a lot of turbines out there. But

866
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: as good as that, as fine as this, how much

867
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: of energy productions? That represent what percent?

868
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: I thought them?

869
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 5: Five percent? In the state of Ohio. Look, we get

870
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 5: most of our stuff from natural gas. Historically, Ohio has

871
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 5: been a coal heavy steak. Coal produced the majority of

872
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 5: Ohio's electricity into the last ten years, when natural gas,

873
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 5: you know, you being able to tap into the shell crescent,

874
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 5: has taken the place. So we get most of our

875
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 5: energy from natural gas, coal, nuclear, and then it falls

876
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 5: down the solar and winds. And again, you know that's

877
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 5: true for a lot of states, particularly on those of

878
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 5: US east of the Mississippi. You know, we get a

879
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 5: lot from natural gas nuclear And what we're seeing right

880
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 5: now again is, you know, because of the spike, people

881
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 5: are scrambling to get power online. You know, a Microsoft,

882
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 5: for example, has investing hundreds of millions of dollars three

883
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 5: open three Mile Island nuclear power plant. That tells you

884
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 5: what businesses are looking at when they see the demand

885
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 5: for future energy production and what they need to do.

886
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 5: And really what needs to happen is Washington needs to say, Okay,

887
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 5: why are we not seeing power plants come online? We

888
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 5: see prices are increasing. You open up your electricity bill,

889
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 5: you know, you know when it's time to rebid, you're

890
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 5: going to be higher electricity prices. So why aren't we

891
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 5: seeing more production being built? And part of it comes

892
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 5: back to those regulatory barriers, you know, the blocks that

893
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 5: are at the local level, state level, federal level lawsuits

894
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 5: for environmental review those have all created a massive chp

895
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 5: point that means that we're really facing a deficit and

896
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 5: electricity production that is choking out the growing economy.

897
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned the environmental reviews. How much has

898
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: that bogged the process down?

899
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 5: Well, you know, you take a look at the so

900
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 5: many album and what you're seeing is NI the environmental

901
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 5: review that, by the way, people on both the left

902
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 5: and right a saying, hey, this is not meant to

903
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 5: be a weapon to slow things down. We've seen that

904
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 5: being able to slow those productions down for years. That's

905
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 5: the National Environmental Policy Act about four and a half

906
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 5: years slowing down from the review connections. And so you

907
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 5: know what happens, Scott is the way regulations work is

908
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 5: they move into sequence.

909
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 6: Right.

910
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 5: It's kind of like almost a train, right, you know,

911
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 5: one car starts moving, the next car, the next car,

912
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 5: the next car. So if you take you know, a

913
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 5: year at the local level, a year at the state level,

914
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 5: a year at the federal level, you're taking four and

915
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 5: a half years or some environmental reviews. You know, you

916
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 5: could sit there and be taking you six plus years

917
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 5: for some big power plants to be built. And we've

918
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 5: seen action take at the state level, you know, with

919
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 5: Housepool fifteen, Ohio is saying, look, we need to speed

920
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 5: this up. We need to make sure that regulators have

921
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 5: only a certain amount of time to review so they

922
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 5: can't de ladies in those projects. And we'd like to

923
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 5: see the same thing done at the federal level, because

924
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 5: I mean, at least we can still build things here

925
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 5: in Ohio. Other states that have more state regulations, like

926
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 5: California New Jersey, for example, they can't build anything because

927
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 5: people were able to block production using these rules, using lawsuits,

928
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 5: which means electricity rices are going to remain high.

929
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: Makes sense. Ray Hederman's here Buckeye Institute working with the

930
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: US Department of Energy and Solutions to fast track improving

931
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: our infrastructure and power supply because we are near at

932
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: peak demand and you know, with the winter months here too,

933
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: we also have data centers and the light going online.

934
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: The demand for electricity is greater than ever, and yet

935
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: the infrastructure is way behind. We've often talked about brownouts

936
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: and blackouts that have happened at West and those it's

937
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: and it's you know, I don't know how close we are,

938
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: but they say, certainly the Midwest Ray is very vulnerable

939
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: to this because of those data centers are going online

940
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: at record numbers. These are like small towns, and I

941
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: think most people don't understand just how much energy one

942
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 1: of these data centers requires.

943
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, you know. It's basically you sit there and say, look,

944
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 5: you know one of these data centers can consume more

945
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 5: energy than the Manhattan right in New York City, and

946
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 5: so that just kind of called everybody by surprise, and

947
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 5: so they're saying what can be done. Well, you know,

948
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 5: one of the things that we again that Houspill fifteen

949
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 5: did that I'm a big fan of, is what we

950
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 5: call behind the meter and what that means is if

951
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 5: you're building a data center, you can actually build your

952
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 5: own power plants, you know, to directly power your business.

953
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 5: You can fast track that through the regulatory process and

954
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 5: be able to power your own business. And that's kind

955
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 5: of what we want to see the market working. We've

956
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 5: seen some of those basically power plants be approved. One

957
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 5: was approved just before Thanksgiving. I think those type of

958
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 5: solutions right where businesses working together, maybe they're going to

959
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 5: share a power plant with another business, those are the

960
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 5: type of solutions that are going to get us out

961
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 5: of this crisis and help us move ahead because relying

962
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 5: on the way we've been doing things simply doesn't work. Scott,

963
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 5: to give you an idea, just very quickly, there are

964
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 5: one hundred and ninety seven thousands power requests to PGM

965
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 5: Ohio's grid. One hundred and ninety seven thousand by somebody

966
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 5: who wants to generate power to connect to the PGM RIP.

967
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 5: The PKAM simply doesn't have enough personnel to get through them.

968
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 5: And part of the problem is, you know, these are

969
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 5: everything from five megawatts solar and whim smaller production plants,

970
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 5: but that takes the same amount of power has a

971
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 5: two hundred and fifty megawatt natural gas plant. So you know,

972
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 5: we have a lot of requests that are going online.

973
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 5: People are gaining the system, flogging it up, and so

974
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 5: we just need a way to cut through prioritize better

975
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 5: which power plants are going to deliver reliable energy, to

976
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 5: keep prices load for consumers, to keep light time for businesses.

977
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that makes a lot of sense if you've

978
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: private interests. Hey, you know what, we'll build our own

979
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: infrastructure here. The hell with you guys. What kind of

980
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: power plants are seeing going online?

981
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 5: Yeah? Sure, so right now, we've seen a lot of

982
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 5: natural gas here in Ohio work and moving forward on that,

983
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 5: you've also seen some renewable behind the meter as well.

984
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 5: You know, I mean people sometimes will drive by you

985
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 5: might see a big windmill at a car dealership, for example.

986
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 5: You know, trying to produce power on site to deliver

987
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 5: to those businesses. Other states are starting to see experiments

988
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 5: with a small nuclear power plants again. You know, I

989
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 5: mentioned Microsoft, for example, investing in reopening Three Mile Island

990
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 5: for the benefit of Microsoft by themselves. Other companies are

991
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 5: also contracting to build a smaller nuclear power plants, using hydro,

992
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 5: using geothermal energy. You know, there's a lot of ways

993
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 5: to be able to get electricity in businesses or reacting

994
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 5: the way you'd expect them to do. What makes the

995
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 5: most sense, what's most cost competitive, and where my business

996
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 5: is located. And so that's what the beauty of what

997
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 5: we see kind of free enterprise working out is coming

998
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 5: up with solutions and trying not to burden rate payers.

999
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 5: You know, that's what we want to make sure is

1000
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 5: that we have affordable energy and businesses aren't taking advantage

1001
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 5: of payers and hopefully not you know, seeking out special

1002
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 5: tax breaks. It would be great to roll back some tax

1003
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 5: incentives handout to big industry, big utilities, big tech along

1004
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 5: the way to make sure taxes are low, energy prices

1005
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 5: are kept affordable.

1006
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Ray, it makes a lot of sense. And

1007
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: I'm a big proponent of these small nuclear plants, and

1008
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: I think, you know, once again, it's a great example

1009
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 1: of how private industry will lead the way and solve

1010
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: the problems that government can't. For those who believe in

1011
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: government solving all problems, well there you go. There they're

1012
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: actually standing in the way. Are there going to be

1013
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: some trials, tribulations, heartbreaks, accidents, etcetera. Sure that there always

1014
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: is when it comes to technology, sadly, but that's part

1015
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: of the learning and growing experience as long as those

1016
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: responsible are held to a standard. That said, though, I

1017
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: think this is the advent of new power generation, and

1018
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: I think about you know, some of the like Microsoft

1019
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: at reopening through Mile Island, or smaller like suitcase type

1020
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: of nuke facilities or machines that produce enough energy to

1021
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: fire a plant. But it also has hoped to typical Americans.

1022
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine the day where and I don't know

1023
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: if it will be in our lifetime, but imagine that

1024
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: the technology gets so good you just buy one of

1025
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: these power units on Amazon, they ship it to you,

1026
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: You PLoP it in like a battery, and it lasts

1027
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: probably longer than you're alive, and then you know, it

1028
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: goes back to the recycling center and what they do

1029
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: with they spent Phil Rodds is yet to be determined,

1030
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: but nonetheless it seems like neighborhoods Hoa's small towns will

1031
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: have their own many nuclear plant to power, or we

1032
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: may just have one in our own house in fifty years.

1033
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, Scott, that's exactly right. I mean you're

1034
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 5: looking at the space talking to people involved in these businesses,

1035
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 5: both from producers and high energy consumers. There's a lot

1036
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 5: of innovation that's going on through private enterprise people saying, hey,

1037
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 5: you know what, let's try to use geothermal right out

1038
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 5: west where it makes her sense. You know, given the

1039
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 5: geology out there. You know they're actually experimenting rolling down

1040
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 5: to the Earth's cross being able to tie up out

1041
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 5: some of that geothermal energy. That's a great solution for

1042
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 5: some of those companies, you know, small neuclear reactors. You

1043
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 5: are seeing more businesses pulling together and basically forming micro grids,

1044
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 5: you know, behind the meter. That a way to say, hey,

1045
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 5: let's go on our own power sources so we don't

1046
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 5: have to wait a couple of years to go through

1047
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 5: the PJA on regulations. That's the type of innovation I

1048
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 5: think that has really made this country great. That's why

1049
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 5: I'm really optimistic about the future, because we know what

1050
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 5: the need is, we know the demands there, businesses know

1051
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 5: what they need to do to power themselves, and we

1052
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 5: have a solution for the future. You know, we can

1053
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 5: sit there, work together, innovate, development these things, and really

1054
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 5: keep America moving forward. And I look at the opposite

1055
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 5: end of the spectrum right again. I looked to Europe

1056
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 5: where a few years ago, you know, they came out

1057
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,760
Speaker 5: and said, we can't compete with the United States because

1058
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 5: our electricity prices so unaffordable. You know, German manufacturing has

1059
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 5: fallen off a clock because electricity is so important to

1060
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 5: the manufacturing sector. Europe made terrible policy choices by trying

1061
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 5: to regulate this market. I am thankful that here in Ohio,

1062
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 5: you know, we're making different choices, moving to remove regulations

1063
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 5: on businesses, to encourage innovation, to encourage investment, to try

1064
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 5: to boost energy so to keep prices lower.

1065
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: Well, but in Ohio even will the bureaucracy and will

1066
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: the status quo machine keep this from moving forward?

1067
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 5: I you know, Scott, I'm optimistic, I think because we're

1068
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 5: already seeing this working again. You know, we've seen a

1069
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 5: couple of billion dollars behind the meter projects already move forward, right,

1070
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 5: So these private businesses are putting their money where their

1071
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 5: hopes are. That's what I'm looking at.

1072
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: Again.

1073
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 5: The Public Utilities Commission of Ohio is approving some of

1074
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 5: these projects are all going to be private behind the

1075
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 5: meter to power some of the data centers, the powers

1076
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 5: from these manufacturing plants. I think Ohio is building a

1077
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 5: model that should be emulated copied by other states. You know,

1078
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 5: we're able to take advantage of it, and if federal

1079
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 5: regulators can move faster, that'll be better for us as well.

1080
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 5: But HB fifteen, I think is a really good piece

1081
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 5: of legislation that is encouraging a lot of private enterprise.

1082
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 5: And again, you know, reading from the news reports, reading

1083
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 5: the filings before the Public Utilities Commission, there's billions of

1084
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 5: dollars of private investment that's taking place right now thanks

1085
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 5: to HP fifteen, allowing businesses to power up more quickly.

1086
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: All right. He's ray headed been to the Buckeye Institute

1087
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: working with the Department of Energy on solutions to solve

1088
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: our power crisis. And it's looming. It really is. Imagine

1089
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: a day, like, for example, Class of twenty twenty five, Ray,

1090
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: you show them a picture of a flat circular thing

1091
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: with a hole in the middle. It's kind of translucent,

1092
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: and they don't know what that. It's called a compact

1093
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: disc Imagine Class of twenty one twenty five when you

1094
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: show them the picture of a utility poll with all

1095
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: those wires out, and they go, what the hell is that?

1096
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: Hopefully that, hopefully that's what the future is here in

1097
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: the Buckeye day all the best, buddy, Thanks.

1098
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 5: Again, Thanks a lot, Scott, always a pleasure.

1099
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: We have a little more weather moving in. We'll find

1100
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: out which way it's going to break. Although it's a

1101
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: little early, could be snow, could just be wet and melty.

1102
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's the latter. Sanjay is next, Doctor Sanjay Shavacrimani,

1103
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: our health, food and fitness guy, the medical truth that

1104
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: you need to know about testosterone. Do you need more?

1105
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: Do you need less? Do you need supplement? What do

1106
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: you need? We'll figure it out together. Next. Scottsland continues

1107
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: afternoons on seven hundred WW two.

1108
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 7: Scott won't show back on.

1109
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: Seven hundred when everything is saying, at this time we

1110
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: have our buddy on doctor shav Cremani, who is an

1111
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: eer physician at Dinewell Dock. It's where health, food and

1112
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: fitness all come together. And now more than ever, we

1113
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 1: need questions answered in a very scientific, empirical way, because

1114
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: no one's more of a scientist than Sanja. You are

1115
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: come off as as scient that's me.

1116
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 6: I just left my microscope and cells to join the show,

1117
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 6: and I'll get.

1118
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: Right back to it, right right. Solls like he's got

1119
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: Petri dishes in his pockets. I don't know what's going

1120
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: on here, all right? So today this is interesting because

1121
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: you hear a lot about the testosterone replacement testosterone therapy

1122
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: for men, especially as you get over forty. You know,

1123
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: we've all seen the ads or heard the ads, as

1124
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: the case may be, and it's kind of like, well,

1125
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: people are like do I really need it? And you know,

1126
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: the more you hear something like the ads on TV

1127
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: for these medicines and drugs that we don't know what

1128
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: they do, but there's they seem very happy dancing around

1129
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: some farmer's market and singing about whatever it is that

1130
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: they're doing. And then you hear like, well if my

1131
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: favorite thing with those ads by the way and you

1132
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: know me, I've got off on the tangent. Always go, well,

1133
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: don't take it if you're allergic to this drug? How

1134
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: the hell? This is the most wife thing. Ever, how

1135
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: do I know I'm allergic to the drug unless I

1136
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: take the drug? Can you answer that question?

1137
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's more of like a good luck out there.

1138
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 6: We have to say this because we do. But that's

1139
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 6: about it. We'll take it if you don't like it.

1140
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: What how what am I goingning? Well, that's on you,

1141
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: that's not on us the waiver, but in that regard

1142
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: to you here and you go, man, maybe I do

1143
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: need that? I do I know? Do I have no test? Joshture?

1144
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 5: Do I have?

1145
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: You know? I am tired, and I am sometimes I'm

1146
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: thirsty and I get hungry like three times a day.

1147
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: Maybe I do have this? Well everybody does. So how

1148
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: do I know if I need it?

1149
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's it's a great question because it is out there,

1150
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 6: and I feel like the ads are definitely increasing, or

1151
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 6: if not, sure have increased, and so it's hard to

1152
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 6: kind of work through. I'll tell you that when things

1153
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 6: started coming out, I was like, no, like this is

1154
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 6: this a scam? And then actually in the emergency department.

1155
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 6: I saw a few young men with blood clots in

1156
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 6: their legs and lungs, and their only risk factor, I

1157
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 6: mean they were in their thirties and twenties. Their only

1158
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 6: risk factor was being on recent testosterone supplementation, and so

1159
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 6: I got scared about it. It's almost like the GLP ones,

1160
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 6: you know, like when the first changes started coming and

1161
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 6: the initial dosing was happening and people were still figuring

1162
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 6: it out. I saw a lot of a lot of

1163
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 6: patients with g I upset with g LP ones, but

1164
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 6: we figured it out more and now it's unacceptable and

1165
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 6: testosterone's kind of gone the same way. So is it helpful? Yes,

1166
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 6: asterisk because that asterisk is for certain.

1167
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: People, Okay, and that's good. And you know again, that

1168
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: is why I'm never the first one. I don't care

1169
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: if it's a movie, I don't care what I new iPhone.

1170
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm not first in line to buy because there's always

1171
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: a problem. Yeah I'm good. I don't need to be Oh,

1172
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: look what I got the brand new It's like, yeah,

1173
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm not that guy, because I want you to buy

1174
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: it and then go wow, this sucks. And then and

1175
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: then a couple of months, I buy the one the

1176
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: way they fix it.

1177
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, someone else should volunteer his tribute. Correct, I'm not

1178
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 6: doing that. We need those people in the where to go,

1179
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 6: you go first. Yeah, we appreciate this people.

1180
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm that way for volunteering wars any of the stuff. Yeah,

1181
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: I'll be right behind you all the way. I'm the

1182
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: back of class kind of guy. All right, So you

1183
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: hear that and go well. And the other thing, it's

1184
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: that replacement, right, So naturally your body as you get

1185
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: over men, you see a decline in testosterone. That's perfectly natural.

1186
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: If that's nature's way, God's way, if you will, why

1187
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: do we need a why do we need to bring

1188
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 1: those levels back up?

1189
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 6: So and that's a great question because what happens is

1190
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 6: that the testosterone levels do drop, and it's about one

1191
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 6: percent every year, so it's not a lot, but it's

1192
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 6: enough for testosterone replacement companies to kind of market you

1193
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 6: know your Yes, your testosterone does decrease. And in fact,

1194
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 6: about forty five so almost half of men over the

1195
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 6: age of forty will have technically low testosterone levels. The

1196
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 6: thing is is that only five to six percent of

1197
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 6: men actually have symptoms with that got it, and those

1198
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 6: are the ones that should be you know, having the

1199
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,359
Speaker 6: replacement right. And so while it's marketed and you can

1200
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 6: just look at a number and say, oh my gosh,

1201
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 6: I need this supplementation, I need this replacement, it is

1202
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 6: definitely not for everybody, and that's not what the current

1203
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 6: guidelines say. Not everyone needs it. Even if your numbers

1204
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 6: are low, you need numbers and symptoms to require.

1205
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: Supplements, and the symptoms are again, so a lot of it.

1206
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 6: Has to do. I mean, we think testosterone, we think,

1207
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 6: you know, do you have a libido? But also just

1208
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 6: general energy, how well your brain is working, so mental clarity.

1209
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 6: And then we get to the body structure. So what

1210
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 6: does testosterone do well, It builds muscle and burns fat,

1211
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 6: and it builds bone and so weak bones, a lot

1212
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 6: more visceral fats the one around your gut and then

1213
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 6: less protein so I mean sorry, less muscle. So if

1214
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 6: you're experiencing that in the setting of low numbers, then

1215
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 6: those are reasons to potentially seek out, you know, replacement.

1216
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: Do you see that change even as you get older

1217
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: to them mean, there's probably more gains if you're closer

1218
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: to forty, but if you're closer to sixty.

1219
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 6: Yes, over time, we know that fat goes up, muscle

1220
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 6: goes down. There are things we can do about it.

1221
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 6: And it's not purely testosterone that drives that. You know,

1222
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 6: there are a lot of other hormones that are in

1223
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 6: balance that will control those things, testosterone being a main

1224
00:57:59,000 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 6: one of them.

1225
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Sanjay. The other element of this too is okay,

1226
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: can I can I do too much? I mean, if

1227
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: my test testosterone levels are within the normal range and

1228
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: I go, well, I'm gonna do it anyway, what's the danger?

1229
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, So the main thing that we've considered is that

1230
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 6: it increases your blood count. So testosterone increases the number

1231
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 6: of red cells in your blood. So if you imagine, uh,

1232
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 6: you know, your blood flowing through your body, if you

1233
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 6: have more crud in it, you know, the red blood cells,

1234
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 6: it may go slower and it can actually form blood

1235
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 6: clots because things are moving slower. It's kind of like

1236
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 6: dunking up your pipes. I know, you know home improvement

1237
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 6: better than I do.

1238
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: My pipes are gunky already, I'm ready to add to that.

1239
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: So well, it'll increase your red blood cell count, which

1240
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: of course up coagulation and that you wind up bas

1241
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 1: essentially strokes and things like that.

1242
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, you get more sludgy blood, which makes the

1243
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 6: concern for strokes and heart attacks. So in the literature

1244
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 6: it had been shown again asterisk, it had been shown

1245
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 6: that there were increased risks of heart attacks and men

1246
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 6: on testosterone. In twenty twenty five, there was a better

1247
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 6: study done that said that risk does not seem to

1248
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 6: be there for appropriate patients. So again, man over forty

1249
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 6: with low levels and symptoms, if your levels are less

1250
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 6: than three hundred, by all means, do the testosterone therapy

1251
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 6: and you should not face a higher.

1252
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 1: Risk of cart attack. And I saw and not to

1253
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: bring this thing down, but it was a story. Yester,

1254
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: jeffy Epstein had like super low, like fifteen normals three

1255
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 1: hundred fifteen. So that's someone who's it's indicated.

1256
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe do a little case study on that.

1257
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, exactly, I mean, who knows what's driving him.

1258
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: I was about to say, never heard of the guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1259
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: that guy. But good it's but you hear that. Okay,

1260
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: that's clearly but how many how many people is that really?

1261
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: I mean you said three percent of the population.

1262
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 6: About five to six percent of people that have low

1263
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 6: numbers and have symptoms, and so yeah, there's a good

1264
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 6: chance he had that and maybe he required the supplementation.

1265
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 6: The interesting thing about numbers as as a slight aside

1266
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 6: is you want that number to be checked between seven

1267
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 6: and ten AM, so early morning time. So if you

1268
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 6: go into clinic and you know at six pm your

1269
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 6: testosterol levels are are low, they're kind of at the

1270
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 6: lower point of the day. And so if you get

1271
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 6: it measured and someone says, oh, look, your testosterone levels

1272
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 6: are low, be careful about that. Ok have your levels

1273
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 6: checked in the morning. Why is this has to be

1274
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 6: checked twice? It's the highest then, and so you can

1275
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 6: get a falsely low result if you get it checked

1276
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:25,439
Speaker 6: at next other time.

1277
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: Okay, got a doctor Sanjay shavkromised doc er doc. And

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Speaker 1: also we talk about health and food and fitness on

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Speaker 1: Thursday March with this do you need testosterone supplementation? And

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Speaker 1: now you know these are just the facts too, So

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Speaker 1: do with the information with you will, because if you're

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Speaker 1: wondering about it, go ah, you know here, maybe I

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01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: need this because I could lose some wight. I mean

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Speaker 1: it sounds great, right, I lose waight loose fat, put

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Speaker 1: on muscle, bone densited helps with that. I'm alert. It's like, yes,

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Speaker 1: it's a miracle drug. It's a miracle drug. It's a drug.

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Speaker 6: It's being sold as that, you know, and that's what

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Speaker 6: the commercials are about. And the low tee thing is real,

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Speaker 6: but for less men than is kind of suggested, and

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Speaker 6: so we do have to be careful with that, but

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Speaker 6: there are appropriate patients for that. However, the availability of

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Speaker 6: the testosterone replacement is a lot and so you know

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Speaker 6: they're online brands, they're in person. But most important is

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Speaker 6: having accurate checks. So make sure the places are checking

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Speaker 6: your blood work and then checking it frequently afterwards to

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Speaker 6: make sure your blood count isn't going too high and

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Speaker 6: not over shooting. So again, low testosterone is less than

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Speaker 6: three hundred, what you're shooting for is four hundred to

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Speaker 6: seven hundred if you're on replacement. If places are suggesting

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Speaker 6: you should be at nine hundred to twelve hundred, be careful, okay,

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Speaker 6: and those are the ones that might be over selling you.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned about cardiovascular risk too and still being studied,

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Speaker 1: but there's concerning data out there. My concern when I

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Speaker 1: first came out. This is years ago. I said, Man,

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Speaker 1: are's reason your body starts producing less testosterone over the years,

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Speaker 1: A tablet with a whole bunch of things. But I

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Speaker 1: also think could I develop cancer because the test as

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Speaker 1: I mean, things are growing, But cancers would be fed

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Speaker 1: by that too, correct, that's a concern.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So the main one is not necessarily developing cancer.

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Speaker 6: But if you're at risk for prostate cancer or have

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Speaker 6: prostate cancer, that's the main one we think about. And

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Speaker 6: so that's the that's the one. If you have any

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Speaker 6: concerns of a rising p s A level in your blood,

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Speaker 6: or there's been suggestion that you do have early prostate cancer,

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Speaker 6: you want to probably not take testosterone supplementation.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I heard this makes sleep apnel worse, etc. That

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Speaker 1: is true.

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Speaker 6: And the the interesting part about that is that better

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Speaker 6: sleep raises your testosterone naturally, and so yeah, it's testosterone

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Speaker 6: does make sleep apnea worse, which is a kind of

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Speaker 6: feedback in itself.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's like getting worse because that just makes that grow.

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Speaker 5: Is that.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating that it does?

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Speaker 6: It does suggest that, Yeah, but there are other things,

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Speaker 6: you know, speaking of better sleep, there's the thing to

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Speaker 6: drive your own testosterone because you know, if you have

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Speaker 6: a low testosteron, say in the two hundreds to three hundreds,

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Speaker 6: there are things you can do naturally to increase it

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Speaker 6: that don't necessarily require supplementation or replacement. Stuff like strength training,

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Speaker 6: better sleep, less stress, losing weight, all of those things

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Speaker 6: that we've talked about on this show, all the things

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Speaker 6: that hard stuff, your general stuff, the hard stuff.

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Speaker 1: But I can just take a shot. I don't have

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Speaker 1: to do that.

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Speaker 6: Come on, man, staying silent on that one testosterone eat.

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Speaker 6: I could eat four pizzas a day if I wanted to. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean, you know it is. It is tempting, It

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Speaker 6: totally is. But you know you're on a GLP one,

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Speaker 6: You're probably gonna be thinking about one bite of pizza.

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01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 6: But yeah, the same thing goes for testosterone. So you know,

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01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 6: make sure that your lifestyle you've made the lifestyle changes

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01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 6: that you need to as well. Again, strength training is

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Speaker 6: one of the best things for this. You can increase

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Speaker 6: your testosterone naturally that way. Even excess alcohol will make

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Speaker 6: you your test asterone lower, So decreasing your alcohol intake, losing

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Speaker 6: your visceral fats, and doing what you can to lose

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Speaker 6: weight and whatever way it can, because fat actually changes

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01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 6: it converts testosterone to estrogen, and so you you decrease

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Speaker 6: your testosteron stores that way, and so losing.

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Speaker 1: Fat can be a big benefit. Man boobs moves Yep, right, mops,

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Speaker 1: I got it. I also here, you know there's a well,

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Speaker 1: this is an over the counter supplement. You know, the

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Speaker 1: supplement industry is huge and it's not regulated, and so

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Speaker 1: you can sell whatever you want and pill form bottle forms.

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Speaker 1: Take this and you'll be you know, I feel like

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Speaker 1: you're ten years old again. And what about that stuff?

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Speaker 1: Does it? You don't need proprietary supplements like that. But

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Speaker 1: are are there otcs or vitamins you should be taking

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Speaker 1: to help you maximize your testosterone?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: So the supplements is it's a murky area, mainly because

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Speaker 6: it's not well regulated. Do some of those work? Yes,

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Speaker 6: but studies have shown that it's about a quarter of

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Speaker 6: them that will raise your testosterone. And I don't know

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Speaker 6: which ones those are because I usually stay away from

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Speaker 6: those in general, but ten percent of them have actually

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Speaker 6: been shown to decrease your testosterone. So be very careful

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Speaker 6: if you're trying to do that stuff as your only

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Speaker 6: way you mentioned you know other supplements. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 6: vitamin D, zinc, magnesium, those are all good things to

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Speaker 6: have in your body. Not certainly not to overdose on,

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Speaker 6: but just make sure you're having good nutrition and you know,

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Speaker 6: supplementing those as needed and you're in a better place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We we were talking before we started here, Sanjay

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Speaker 1: about vitamin D and you know, I've been on that forever.

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Speaker 1: You said, you know, you're taking five thousand a day,

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Speaker 1: and it's just the more we learn about vitamin D,

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Speaker 1: it's really a critical, critical supplement.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, we talk about vitamin D being

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Speaker 6: a vitamin, but it's it's thought more to be a hormone.

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Speaker 6: So it is a messenger in our body that works

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Speaker 6: in a ton of organs and works very much like

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Speaker 6: you know, not exactly like testosterone, but it's a hormone

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Speaker 6: like like testosterone and estrogen and all those others in

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Speaker 6: the way it functions in the way our body really

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Speaker 6: needs it. Which also reminds me there's there's one other

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Speaker 6: risk of of I mean sorry, testosterone replacement, which is

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Speaker 6: decreasing fertility. Now, so that that kind of goes backwards, right,

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Speaker 6: So your libido's high, but your fertility is low with

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01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 6: more testosterone, and so if you're being if you're having supplementation,

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01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 6: your counts or your overall fertility will go down, but

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Speaker 6: usually off almost always. That is a reversible thing, so

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Speaker 6: your fertility will come back. But if you're trying to

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Speaker 6: you know, if you're trying to start a family, testosterone

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Speaker 6: replacement may not be the right thing for you.

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Speaker 1: But most guys you're trying to avoid family. So this

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01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: is like another reason to take male birth control exactly.

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01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: Like wait, it does time in there's a spike of tests.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell your significant I'll tell your wife. It's like,

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01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. We just kind of

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Speaker 1: keep trying.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's and by the way, can you give me

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Speaker 6: this injection real quick?

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Speaker 2: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how many times a week? Is that once a week?

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Speaker 6: So for injections, typically it's once a week. They also

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Speaker 6: have topical And if you're wondering where that goes, it

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01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 6: is not where you just imagined. It is usually in

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Speaker 6: the arms. You don't want to put testosterone where the

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Speaker 6: testosterone is created. I see, yes, you think it's faster

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Speaker 6: that way, right, I might imagine, But now it's usually

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Speaker 6: in the arms and that's a daily thing. And I

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Speaker 6: think they just released an oral formulation of this stuff

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Speaker 6: which would be daily as well.

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Speaker 1: The efficacy had it made it for the injectible is

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Speaker 1: better than the oral for the topical. Yeah, yeah, exlightly

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01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: usually okay, So but if you're reverse to needles and

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01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: who wants to shoot themselves with a needle? There are

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Speaker 1: options here, you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there are other

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Speaker 1: options for this as well, really interesting stuff. So you know,

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Speaker 1: again it's it's buyer beware. It's it's having the information

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01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: and then making a decision based on what you heard

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Speaker 1: the facts, as opposed to you know, going to you

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01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: know and everyone else's And I keep hearing about all

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01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 1: these guys maybe I need that, and you talk yourself

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01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 1: into it. But now you kind of know. But you

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01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: could get the test and find out what your testosterone level.

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Speaker 6: Yeah and small, I mean minor story. I had mind checked.

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Speaker 6: I was in the three fifty range, so I guess

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Speaker 6: I was slightly low. And you know, the doctor I

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Speaker 6: met with and shout out to metamorph Sean Ryan who

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01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 6: sat down with me. He you know, we had a

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01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 6: very good discussion about it, and he's like, look, there

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01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 6: are other things you can do like how's your diet,

1439
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 6: how's your lifestyle? And that's the important conversation. So be

1440
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 6: careful if you're you're doing just online without consulting with

1441
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 6: the physician and without thinking about your other options and

1442
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 6: weighing those.

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Speaker 1: Finally, you no cost to this, that is that I

1444
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: don't okay, And it probably varies too depending where you go.

1445
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:27,879
Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, I don't.

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01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 6: Think it's totally expensive. I don't think we're talking GLP

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01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 6: one prices.

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01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 1: Right right right less than that. But and if some

1449
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 1: do you have to be on it forever, then at

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01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: that point do you there is a suggestion.

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Speaker 6: For most people like if if you're symptomatic with very

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01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 6: low testosterol level and you have quote hypo gonatism, so

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01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 6: you're you're going to just produce less testoster I caught that, Yeah,

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01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 6: rock on. So yeah, if you may have to be

1455
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 6: on it for life. But other times there are some

1456
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 6: people that may have a temporary decrease in their testo. Again,

1457
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 6: stress will do it. You know, if you cut the

1458
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 6: alcohol out, maybe you can come off of it. But'll

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01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 6: most people need to be honest.

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01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: So but but if you go off it, do you

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01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 1: just turn into a beach ball again. I mean, does

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01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: it like GLP ones. Once you're on it, you gotta

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01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: be on it forever. It's not immediate.

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01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 6: Okay, it's hardy to put that on and it just

1465
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 6: works in a different way. And so we're talking about,

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01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 6: you know, just slightly increasing your levels as opposed to

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Speaker 6: the massive changes we're seeing with GLP ones.

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Speaker 1: Got it. He is our resident doctor physician edie doctor,

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01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: doctor Sanjay Schevacrimani. He's also at dine well Doc. That's

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Speaker 1: his handle, health, food, fitness and Medicine. Thanks for popping in,

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01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: and again, I just love the I love to get

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01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: the information out, the facts out first before you proceed.

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01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: So if that's you and you're thinking about, you're on

1474
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 1: the fence and now you know and you can ask

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01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 1: good questions when you go and get your test. Asterone

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01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: check now. Thanks beevis appreciate, he said, go ahead, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW. It's got flowing back on seven hundred

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01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: double lots of cutter again today. Man, there's who shortage

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01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: to do is the last forty eight hours, that's for sure.

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01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,719
Speaker 1: But we had this story come out. Cincinnati's Curfew Center

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01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 1: has been open. What eighteen months now and it costs

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01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,280
Speaker 1: us like almost four hundred thousand dollars operate. Okay, Curfew Center.

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01:10:15,320 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: We get these kids that get jammed up there on

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01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 1: after hours, causing problems, big groups. We pick them up,

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01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 1: We put them in a temporary holding facility for those

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01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,600
Speaker 1: that break care fore you especially Friday Saturday nights, and

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01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: they can't immediately be turned to return home for whatever reason,

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01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: and then they call the parents and guardians to come

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01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: get your kid. Okay, great, three hundred eighty thousand dollars,

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01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: This is awesome. This is going to help solve that

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01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: juvenile linguency issue. Only problem is they have been exactly

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01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: four I said four four, not four hundred, not four thousand,

1493
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: four between three and five kids that have been held

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01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: in the last year and a half at three hundred

1495
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: and eighty thousand dollars, which is like one hundred k

1496
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 1: per kid. The math doesn't math. She is a council member. Anna,

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01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,879
Speaker 1: I'll be back on the show on seven hundred WW

1498
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,280
Speaker 1: and I'll make a deal with you. I'll take one

1499
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: of these kids and watch them till their parents can

1500
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: pick them up for only seventy five thousand dollars. How

1501
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: about that I'm saving you money.

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01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 7: Well, I appreciate the opportunity to talk about this gap,

1503
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 7: so thank you. I will do a quick FactCheck. It

1504
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 7: hasn't been fully eighteen months since we kind of implemented

1505
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 7: a special curfew district downtown and make sure we had

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01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 7: these curfee centers up and running. Understand the case to

1507
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 7: be made. I think what's really important to be clear

1508
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 7: is going into the process of whether or not to

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01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 7: update our curfew policy, which included both you know, making

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01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 7: the time at night more standard across the city. That

1511
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 7: was a big piece of it. The previous curfew ordinance

1512
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 7: had stagger times based on age, and it's like, how

1513
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 7: are you supposed to be able to tell from a

1514
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 7: distance of sixteen year old from a seventeen year old? Right, Like,

1515
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 7: it was just it was hard to enforce. So the

1516
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 7: first piece of that curfew was saying, okay, city wide

1517
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 7: we have eleven PM. And then the second piece of

1518
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 7: it was the Downtown Business District Special Curfew Center where

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01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 7: we have the nine pm curfew, And that's really where

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01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 7: we wanted to make sure we had the support of

1521
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 7: the curfew centers because something that was important to me

1522
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 7: into my colleagues, is implementing the curfew was not not

1523
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 7: an effort to criminalize kids in any way. We want

1524
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 7: kids to be in a safe spot. So those were

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01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:28,440
Speaker 7: really intentional conversations I know I had with the administration

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01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 7: and with my colleagues as we went into this process

1527
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 7: about Okay, what happens if there is a kid out

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01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 7: after curfew? How are we making sure we get that

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01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,679
Speaker 7: person that kid home to a safe place?

1530
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: Right? And that's the intent here. But I look at

1531
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 1: this and go wow, four and you said, okay, not

1532
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 1: quite eighteen months. But let's face it, how many kids

1533
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: are loitering at one o'clock in the morning. Wh's thirty

1534
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 1: five thousand degrees below zero. So I'm going to guess

1535
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: probably not going to pick many more kids up, at

1536
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: least until the spring starts, the warm weather starts and

1537
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 1: they congregating groups. Is this an issue of enforcement or

1538
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: is an issue of simply deterrence? I know Interim Chief

1539
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: Henny brought that up, suggested at the meeting that this

1540
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: is working as a deterrent. But if that's the case,

1541
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:09,799
Speaker 1: do you need to spend three hundred and eighty thousand

1542
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 1: dollars to.

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01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 3: Deter I think that's a great question.

1544
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 7: And this was the first year we had this approach

1545
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 7: for the curfew center and having a special district, So

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01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 7: I definitely see this year as a learning opportunity. In fact,

1547
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 7: at the end of August, I went on a ride

1548
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 7: along with CPD in OTR from six pm to midnight.

1549
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 7: I could not make it past midnight. I had to

1550
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 7: be up and functioning the next morning. But during that

1551
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 7: period we did come in contact with some kids. I

1552
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 7: don't know their exact ages, maybe looks ten to twelve

1553
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 7: years old. And you know, I got to watch the

1554
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,439
Speaker 7: officer interacting with those kids and basically saying, hey, you

1555
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 7: got to go home, and you know, we watched them

1556
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 7: walk away, hopefully towards home, and that that was the intent, right,

1557
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 7: going into this, being really intentional about the conversation. So

1558
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,840
Speaker 7: the officer's process and this is you're going to first,

1559
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,840
Speaker 7: you know, ask them to go home home, tell them

1560
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 7: to go home, and demand and it's not till that

1561
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 7: third demand interaction where that would activate the curfew center.

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01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: Right.

1563
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 7: So I'll be honest, like there is a version of

1564
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 7: this where hey, just the threat of the curfew was

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01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 7: enough to keep kids at home, right, and that was enough,

1566
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 7: or our officers are having doing a really great job

1567
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 7: with these interactions and the kids are listening. You know,

1568
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 7: that's something hard to know any given moments. I think again,

1569
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 7: at the end of the day, the ultimate goal was

1570
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 7: let's make sure our kids are safe and off the

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01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 7: streets when it's late at night, so they are not

1572
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 7: victims of crime or committing crimes. And to me, this

1573
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 7: for kids at their curfew center shows that was successful.

1574
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, Yeah, it's hard to tell at this point

1575
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: if it's a deterrent or we're just not And I

1576
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 1: think the other element from cops is okay, hold on,

1577
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: Typically it's going to be a group of adolescents. They

1578
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: always congregating groups right doing God knows what they're doing.

1579
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: They see the police, they scatter, everybody runs in a

1580
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,600
Speaker 1: different direction. Now you've got a cop by themselves in

1581
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: a unit. I want to get in a foot pursuit

1582
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: with a whether sixteen or with a ten or twelve

1583
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: year old, and I'm carrying sixty pounds of equipment and

1584
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: a lot of things can go wrong, and you know

1585
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: what if it maybe they just scare them away and

1586
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: they're not pursuing that that technically that's a deterrent. But

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01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: I could imagine with all the stuff that our officers

1588
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: who are overwhelmed with the amount of things they have

1589
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 1: to do, are going to get in a foot pursuit

1590
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: over over a curfew violation.

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01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, we did not want pursuits, right, That was not

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01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 7: the intensiveness. We really do focus intinsati on having those

1593
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 7: positive relationship with our officers who are out in the

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01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:38,799
Speaker 7: community with community members.

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01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 3: Right.

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01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 7: So we do want our officers to have some trust

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01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 7: with kids when they come up and say, hey, hey,

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01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 7: time to go home. That's to be a positive professional interaction, right.

1599
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,839
Speaker 7: We're not We're literally not trying to take kids down.

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01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 3: The streets from alism, right.

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01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 7: So you know, the Curfew Center to me is really

1602
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 7: that insurance policy for us that if there is a

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01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 7: situation which, like you said, there are four of them,

1604
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 7: where we have that interaction with the kid and we

1605
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 7: can't get a hold of their caretaker, we have a

1606
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 7: safe place for them to be where we're still working

1607
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 7: to get ahold of their whoever, if it's a parents, aunts,

1608
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 7: grandmother or whatever caretaker, we have them in a safe

1609
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 7: space out of the cold weather. If it's winter time,

1610
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 7: or where they can get snacks, and that's the insurance policy.

1611
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 7: So you know, you look at this contract and yeah,

1612
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 7: it had to be a year long because we never

1613
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 7: we didn't know going into this how often would we

1614
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 7: be using it right like maybe Monday night it's NERO

1615
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 7: and Friday nights it's twenty We had no idea. So again,

1616
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,719
Speaker 7: this to me is the kind of the first out,

1617
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 7: first time out testing this approach. I think, you know,

1618
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 7: we have learnings, but I think overall, you know, success

1619
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:45,719
Speaker 7: there and having those Curfew centers.

1620
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 1: Okay, she's council member and I'll be on the Scottsland

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01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 1: Show on seven hundred wwdews that the Curfew Center costs

1622
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty thousand dollars almost four hundred thousand

1623
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: dollars to operate the physical year. It's been open for

1624
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: close to almost eighteen months, and in that time we've

1625
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: had four kids have been put in the center, So

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01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 1: that's a cost of about one hundred thousand dollars per kid.

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01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 1: And I think everyone listening looks at that and goes, wow,

1628
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's not a good investment of money, even

1629
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 1: if it is to turing kids. When is the contract

1630
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 1: up By the way.

1631
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 7: Oh, I don't have the exact dates. I know our

1632
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 7: initial one was a year, so whatever that execution date is,

1633
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 7: so I think it will get us through this upcoming summer.

1634
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 7: I just don't know the exact all right.

1635
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 1: So here's a valid question. Let's say we signed over

1636
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: through the summer. We were committed to the contract, no

1637
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,879
Speaker 1: doubt about it. So I think it may be August

1638
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: for some reason. That's shipping in my mind, but we'll

1639
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,719
Speaker 1: go through it. Let's say that there's really no sizeable

1640
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 1: uptick in the number of kids who are being held

1641
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 1: at the curfew center, why can't we simply end that contract?

1642
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 1: And if it's only four kids, can't we just have

1643
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: them at a police substation or at the juvenile justice center.

1644
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean, why do we have to have a separate

1645
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 1: curfew center?

1646
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 7: Great question. So there was a lot of conversation of

1647
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 7: what should the curfew center be? Right, and so part

1648
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,280
Speaker 7: of the contract and the cost is the staff. Right,

1649
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 7: you have to have someone there, right, We're not dropping

1650
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 7: people off in an empty building up and walking away.

1651
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 7: And we want our officers to be back on duty, right.

1652
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 7: We don't want the officer having to watch over and

1653
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 7: be taken off of their control for the night. So

1654
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 7: some of that cost is that the staffing piece of it.

1655
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 7: And we had conversations, right it should should it be,

1656
01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 7: you know, a rec center, and I say no, we

1657
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 7: want rec centers to be this positive space for kids.

1658
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 7: We don't want them to have negative connotations with it.

1659
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 7: And the reason why the jail twenty twenty wasn't available

1660
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,800
Speaker 7: was because this is not a criminal charge that would

1661
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 7: keep a kid over night, you know, And that was

1662
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 7: something I had to do some digging on. I'm not

1663
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 7: a lawyer, so please everyone, I did not go to

1664
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 7: law school, but I asked. I tried to ask a

1665
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 7: lot of questions, but essentially, you know, this is not

1666
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 7: a curfew violation, is not something that would a youth

1667
01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 7: would be booked for at the jail, So that would

1668
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:55,759
Speaker 7: not have given us the space to kind of spend

1669
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,679
Speaker 7: the time there trying to contact the caretakers.

1670
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: Okay, can't we just hold them without booking, without processing?

1671
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: I mean they're waiting areas in full view of law

1672
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 1: enforcement officers. I'm sure maybe there's an anti room or

1673
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 1: something like that you could use. I mean, you don't

1674
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: have to process this. People yeah, we have. Probably not

1675
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 1: everyone who comes to those doors are booked. There's plenty

1676
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: of people in there who aren't, and you know, things

1677
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: like property and everything else. I mean, can't we just say, hey,

1678
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: instead of being processed, we're going to put you in

1679
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: the side room next to the Sally boarder wherever they

1680
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 1: can keep an eye on you until your parents come.

1681
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,640
Speaker 7: I don't control the jails or the Timpsons Center, So

1682
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 7: I don't want to say something here that's actually not

1683
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 7: get it right. But I do want to go back

1684
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 7: and emphasize, you know, Seven Hills Neighborhoods House in Life

1685
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 7: House are really trusted community partners that have staff that

1686
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 7: are specialized in Tomlin formed care and interacting with kids.

1687
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 7: So that was also part of it. How do we

1688
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 7: have the right staff around any kid who you know

1689
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 7: is caught up in this process that making sure that

1690
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,799
Speaker 7: we're giving them resources and that staff that was trained

1691
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 7: to also be able to check with the kid on Hey,

1692
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 7: what other needs do you have? Like do you have stable?

1693
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 7: Is there is there someone who you can go home to?

1694
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 7: Because that was also concerned, what if we have a

1695
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 7: youth who's outlet, who's hold us? What do you do right,

1696
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 7: So we wanted to make sure we have that expert staff.

1697
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 7: So again it's beyond just the holding place, and it's

1698
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 7: also those wrap around services and support we are also

1699
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 7: providing to them through these experts that we have at

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01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 7: seven Hills in the well.

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01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that it's seven Hills and all that,

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01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I mean, social workers are

1703
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: available twenty four to seven. Why can't you just have

1704
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 1: the social worker meet them at the General Justice Center

1705
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: or wherever they are holding this kid as opposed to

1706
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: having to have a separate facility. And we're paying four

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01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars for.

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01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 7: And you know what, I don't know what the cost

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01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 7: of having that kind of social worker on calls. You'd

1710
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,639
Speaker 7: have to negotiate special contract for that either.

1711
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 3: Right.

1712
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 7: So these are all questions that others looked into, and

1713
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 7: this felt like the best way to start out in

1714
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 7: the process. Again, we had no idea how many kids sure, right,

1715
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 7: because if you can remember a wild though, there were

1716
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 7: videos of like tons of kids down yeah, right, what

1717
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 7: if we had that situation and we needed a whole

1718
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:07,719
Speaker 7: big space.

1719
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 5: So we just didn't know.

1720
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 7: And so I'm really excited and grateful that the administration

1721
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 7: took such a thoughtful approach and that we really thought

1722
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 7: through all these different scenarios and how do we make

1723
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 7: sure we keep kids safe. Because I'll be honest, I

1724
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:24,679
Speaker 7: was hesitant personally to vote on this curfew enforcement because

1725
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 7: I did not want increased criminalization of our youth, nor

1726
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 7: did I want increased negative interactions between officers and kids.

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01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 7: So being able to have this really thoughtful approach I

1728
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 7: think was really important to making sure everyone in this

1729
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 7: process is safe.

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01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: Well, I disagree somewhat on that too, is it's not

1731
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 1: necessarily a high level criminal activity. But you know, being

1732
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: out of Africa, the fact that we have to set

1733
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: curfews because you know, kids are there's some kids that

1734
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: are out having fun and their parents are taking it

1735
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:56,800
Speaker 1: very seriously. You have people who are working multiple jobs.

1736
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: It simply can't be around all the time with their kids.

1737
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: That's unfortunate. And then you have kids that are essentially

1738
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 1: fearal that the parents don't care about them, and all

1739
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: of those mean problems for our community, for police and like.

1740
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 1: And we don't want to vilify kids or try to

1741
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: get them help. I understand that, but you know, I

1742
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: think most people would look at us and go, wow,

1743
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 1: it's the kid gloves and the touchy feelings are good.

1744
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: But it's three hundred and eighty thousand dollars for four kids. Anna,

1745
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: you can't justify their cost.

1746
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 7: This was the first year. Like I said, Pilot, I

1747
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 7: think there are updates we can make and this will

1748
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 7: be a conversation.

1749
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 5: Right.

1750
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 7: The report out this week was of the first time

1751
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,599
Speaker 7: we've gotten all this information in one place and been

1752
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 7: able to really.

1753
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 3: Dig into the detail.

1754
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 7: So I personally excited to have that conversation of Okay,

1755
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 7: what does this look like going forward to your point

1756
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 7: you made earlier. It's really cool outside right now, right,

1757
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 7: so maybe this isn't a year long contract. If we

1758
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 7: know that people aren't going to be out when it's

1759
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,679
Speaker 7: negative two degrees, you know, in the middle of winter,

1760
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 7: so you know, maybe there are some adjustments to be made.

1761
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 7: It really makes this effective and efficient. And you know,

1762
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 7: if it's only for kids and we're in we get

1763
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 7: in contact with their caretakers within the I think it's

1764
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,639
Speaker 7: two or three hours. We're legally allowed to have kids

1765
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 7: kind of in our custody for well, okay, maybe that

1766
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 7: means the lighthouse piece was a good good thing to have,

1767
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 7: but maybe we don't need that going forward. These are

1768
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 7: all questions I think we can look at now that

1769
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 7: we have done this for a while. And frankly, I

1770
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,719
Speaker 7: think this upcoming summer will be another good test because

1771
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 7: we didn't have this curfew in place at the beginning

1772
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 7: of last summer, So I don't know this might be

1773
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 7: different come May June July because we didn't have this

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01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 7: in place last year.

1775
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's reasonable though, I totally understand what were sentient.

1776
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: I agree. It's like, hey, we did suddenly put this

1777
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,600
Speaker 1: curfew center together because of the juvenile delinquency problem, but

1778
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 1: we only had four kids there, and you know, saying well,

1779
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 1: we shouldn't have done it, That's just stupid for anyone

1780
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: to say that or believe that. I don't think that's sure.

1781
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: You go, well, okay, we learned from this, but moving forward,

1782
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: how do we balance the cause that three hundred and

1783
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: eighty grand that's going to pay for a few cops

1784
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 1: on the streets. For sure, our cameras, and I know

1785
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: you want more cameras in places where kids congregate.

1786
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,760
Speaker 7: Absolutely, to be clear, you know, there's never enough resources

1787
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 7: for all the things we want to do. So we

1788
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 7: have to look at these things and be smart and

1789
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 7: critical of how we're investment money. So I think everyone

1790
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 7: on council will agree with that. And this is an

1791
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,600
Speaker 7: area you heard council member Jeffreyes bringing up. He and

1792
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 7: I were kind of chit chatting too about it on

1793
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 7: the side, right, this is something we're going to look

1794
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 7: at and I think first year where we have our

1795
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 7: learnings and we can improve for next time. We didn't

1796
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 7: get it perfect, but I think we over rotated on

1797
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 7: making sure that we were compassionate and had this insurance

1798
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 7: policy in place. And I would rather have that than

1799
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 7: if something had gone really terribly wrong. Right, So I

1800
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 7: would rather always air on the side of compassion when

1801
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 7: it was something dealing with our kids.

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01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, you go with the information you have and now,

1803
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: well we'll have a good sample size that time the

1804
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 1: contract is up to figure out if we want to

1805
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: continue this. I think that's completely reasonable. Right. The other

1806
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: element here too I mentioned this is that you know,

1807
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty thousand dollars buy a lot more cameras.

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01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:56,799
Speaker 1: I know that's something you want to get moving forward

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01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,600
Speaker 1: and add more work. Basically where kids congregate, let's have

1810
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,600
Speaker 1: more camra and you know, the digital surveillance to me

1811
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,680
Speaker 1: seems to pay much more dividends than maybe something like this.

1812
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I do have emotion coming up where I'm

1813
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 7: asking the administration to basically audit where we have playgrounds, parks,

1814
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 7: rec centers, right areas we want kids and families hanging

1815
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 7: out to look at, what does the lighting look like

1816
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 7: and what's the camera situation. Obviously I was on your

1817
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 7: show talking about the tragedy shooting of queener read right.

1818
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,519
Speaker 7: That was a situation where she's in a playground area, right,

1819
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 7: she should have been sick. It's unimaginable that we had

1820
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 7: such a tragedy. So we need to do better.

1821
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 5: We absolutely need to do better.

1822
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 7: And in the report back that we got this week

1823
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 7: on where the investments had been around cameras and lighting,

1824
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,800
Speaker 7: the focus has been on the quote right away, those

1825
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,520
Speaker 7: streets and sidewalks. So if you can picture a playground

1826
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 7: a park, these improvements have been put in place already

1827
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 7: cover the street and the sidewalk, but the land inwards right,

1828
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 7: the actual park piece wasn't included in some of these

1829
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 7: street lighting and camera updates. So that is my ask

1830
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 7: now to the administration is to first look at specifically playgrounds,

1831
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,679
Speaker 7: park rec centers where we have had shooting. Queen Arie

1832
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:21,919
Speaker 7: is one area, but then also Grant Park had multiple

1833
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 7: teams shot last ball there in Grant Park. So there

1834
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 7: are places where kids are congregating, we want them to

1835
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 7: we want them to be, you know, shooting hoops and

1836
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 7: having fun that there's been shooting. So first let's do

1837
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,480
Speaker 7: an audit of those locations as well as in neighborhoods

1838
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 7: that are our top five for gun violence. So those

1839
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 7: other locations, let's get this audit of what is the

1840
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 7: camera situation, what is the light situation? Okay, now let's

1841
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 7: come back and look like, look at what would the

1842
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 7: cost be to improve that infrastructure? Right, if we have

1843
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,640
Speaker 7: these parks that are pitch black at six o'clock on

1844
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 7: a December evening, what would it take to actually get

1845
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 7: lighting in there to make sure kids.

1846
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 5: Can be safe.

1847
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it makes sense, and that I think it

1848
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 1: could be a great spend for that three eighty she

1849
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 1: is council Member Anna Alby. That's moving forward. Well, I'm

1850
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 1: sure we'll get an update from you in the near future,

1851
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 1: because this thing has legs, is not going away and

1852
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on how we're spending the money.

1853
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 1: I love it, Anna, all the best, have a great.

1854
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 7: Day, Thank you as much.

1855
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 3: Take care.

1856
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: Got a little bit more snow moving in for tomorrow.

1857
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: I believe tomorrow anyway, it could be wet, could be well.

1858
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 1: Find out what the forecast is in just a few

1859
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 1: minutes and hopefully this is it for winter, but probably

1860
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: not on the way. Speaking of cold temperatures, which we

1861
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: still have ice damming. A lot of people have the

1862
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: gutters that have the giant icicles st lag mites that

1863
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 1: are coming down, and if that's you, you may have

1864
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: bigger problems going on. I will talk about that with

1865
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,880
Speaker 1: my wife. Caught up next seven hundred WW She's the

1866
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: Princess of property, the Queen of closings. Fuck touchess out deals.

1867
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 1: It's realistic time with Michelle Sloan.

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01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:00,639
Speaker 2: All hail, the bestest Remax time agent I've ever met.

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01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 1: On seven hundred wl W all right, she is back

1870
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 1: and on the phone day my wife Michelle Sloane, and

1871
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:12,440
Speaker 1: I got a text this morning from my son and

1872
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:15,160
Speaker 1: his girlfriend and at their house in Columbus. She's like,

1873
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 1: there's a stain in our ceiling in the kitchen. What

1874
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: does this mean? So I went through the whole check

1875
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:22,679
Speaker 1: and wells and an outside well, yeah, well it's probably

1876
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 1: ice damming. This is the year. This is the time

1877
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: of year we start to see this stuff and you

1878
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: notice telltale stands in your ceiling, especially their outside walls.

1879
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 1: That is a huge problem. And roofers are going to

1880
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: do really, really well. Coming up here, my wife Michelle

1881
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 1: Sloan from Sloan cellsales dot com open house show on

1882
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app and on YouTube as well.

1883
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 3: Good morning are you good morning? Yeah, we're gonna have

1884
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 3: we have more and more. The icicles that you see

1885
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 3: hanging off your gutters, yes, may be cool and look

1886
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 3: pretty and you may think, oh those are fun and

1887
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,440
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna snap those off.

1888
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:56,760
Speaker 1: Which you can.

1889
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 3: It is a bigger problem. It's likely to be a

1890
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 3: bigger problem. So do you have to be aware of

1891
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 3: ice damming? And we're not being political here.

1892
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 1: Right damn ice?

1893
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 3: Right? Well, this has been the worst winter I think

1894
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 3: that we have seen in Cincinnati for a really long time.

1895
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 1: It feels like, oh doubt, yeah, we had this snowfall

1896
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 1: last year, but this is like the cold is what's now.

1897
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 1: I believe I saw thirteen straight days, almost two straight

1898
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 1: weeks of sub zero or not subs or sub freezing.

1899
01:29:31,320 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 3: Temperatures right And this morning actually I was taking Mannon

1900
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 3: out for a walk and it was a little bit

1901
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 3: warmer yesterday, but there is a lot of icy patches

1902
01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 3: at least on the sidewalks and the road day this

1903
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 3: morning because it got cold again, kind of looked pretty

1904
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 3: with all of the ice on the trees and stuff.

1905
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 3: But I think a lot of people may not have

1906
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 3: a clue what ice damming actually is, right, and do

1907
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 3: you want to get into that or I have the

1908
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 3: It's basically the snow melting on the warmer part of

1909
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 3: the roof, right, and it runs down and refreezes on

1910
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 3: the roof edge and then the gutters creating a dam.

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01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 3: The am not the am right.

1912
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 1: So here's what happens. So you've got it's an insulation

1913
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 1: problem primarily too. You need more insulation. You're at it,

1914
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: and it's a cold most bit, that's why you have

1915
01:30:25,080 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: it more. As colder it is, the more insulation you

1916
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: would need because what happens is the heat comes up,

1917
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 1: it melts, the snow runs down the roof, okay, grades

1918
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: and the gutter the gutter freezes up though, because it's

1919
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 1: not the insulation. And what happens is as the water melts,

1920
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 1: it continues to add on top of the ice. So

1921
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 1: the water can't go with the gutter and down. So

1922
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 1: the first thing you check is to make sure your

1923
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: downspouts and you can't do it now obviously your down

1924
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: spouts and gutters aren't packed with leaves, and that they

1925
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 1: slope the right way that the water's actually getting out.

1926
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 1: When it doesn't get out, it starts to fill like

1927
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 1: a bathtub. The water starts to spill over the edge,

1928
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 1: and that's what causes the icicles. And also what happens

1929
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 1: during that free thought cycle is the water starts a

1930
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 1: new water starts to freeze and it doesn't happen or

1931
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: to go except it goes back up the shingles. So

1932
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 1: if you look at shingles, right when you shingle a roof,

1933
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 1: you start the first course and there's underlayment stuff. I said,

1934
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:14,679
Speaker 1: But the first course starts where the gutter is okay,

1935
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 1: and then you stack it up. So the overlaying layers

1936
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 1: is the water runs down, your roof will run down

1937
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 1: and you know it'll kind of skip over the shingles. Okay,

1938
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:24,600
Speaker 1: that's all well and good, But what happens when that

1939
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 1: water goes reverse, Well, it gets under the shingle, up

1940
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: the roof, and it continues to freeze. And then when

1941
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:33,640
Speaker 1: it melts, because maybe there's there's not a insulation in

1942
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 1: the house, maybe there's the heat comes up and it's

1943
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 1: just enough to melt that. And you'll see closer to

1944
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: your wall, sometimes a little further out where those where

1945
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 1: the icicles are, you'll see water spots in your cylind gole.

1946
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 1: Where the hell is that coming from? That's the ice

1947
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 1: dam and what's going on?

1948
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 3: Right, And it can cause some issues, and there may

1949
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 3: not be a whole lot that you can do about

1950
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 3: it right this minute. But I have a list of

1951
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 3: things not to do that apparently some people have done.

1952
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 3: Don't use like a hammer or an ice pick or

1953
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 3: a hatchet or a shovel on your shingle. Don't try

1954
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 3: to climb up a ladder and get on there and

1955
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 3: try to pick that away.

1956
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: We're not gonna do anything except, you know, maybe fall

1957
01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 1: off your ladder and put a hole in your room.

1958
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 3: But you're going to do some damage, right damage.

1959
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,599
Speaker 1: There's a dude I just saw this the other day,

1960
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 1: maybe last week in the New England States, maybe Massachusetts.

1961
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 1: Guys like, well, I got this icing, and my guy,

1962
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 1: I gotta draw these gutters, gets up there with a

1963
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 1: flamethrower a torch. No, it burns some pass down. I'm

1964
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 1: not lying.

1965
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's that's definitely on the do

1966
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 3: not do list. The other thing is some people have

1967
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 3: put rock salt on their roof to melt the snow

1968
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:48,560
Speaker 3: and ice. It's a bad idea, very bad idea.

1969
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:50,679
Speaker 1: Because what happens is, yeah, it's so it can deteriorate

1970
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 1: the gutters prematurely, can corrode those, but also it'll stain

1971
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 1: the roof, and it's it's also danger. I mean, if

1972
01:32:58,000 --> 01:32:59,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna do that, you really need to get like

1973
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 1: maybe maybe the ice damming is happening where the downspout

1974
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:06,040
Speaker 1: meets the gutter itself and there's some you know, Okay,

1975
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:07,760
Speaker 1: if I got water flow and go there, I can

1976
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: get it out. Okay, you could get a sock and

1977
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: fill the with calcium chlorid. Don't use rock salt, but

1978
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:17,640
Speaker 1: kelsim chlorid. Put that in there and just set it

1979
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 1: in the gutter. But you got to do that obviously

1980
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 1: do it when it's like this right now, it's very

1981
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 1: very dangerous, but it will meld in that one particular spot,

1982
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:26,680
Speaker 1: but not the whole gutter. It'll free somewhere else. Now,

1983
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 1: if it's again it's just one clog somewhere and you

1984
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to clear it out, that may

1985
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,800
Speaker 1: help the situation. But I don't know. Is the risk

1986
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:34,640
Speaker 1: worse the possible reward. I don't think so.

1987
01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 3: No, probably not. We're all going to have to wait

1988
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 3: for it to fall, and I think I did see

1989
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 3: forties maybe next week, so that's a good thing. But

1990
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 3: the one long term prevention that you can do, and

1991
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 3: actually this is one of those things that you will

1992
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 3: get the return on your investment is increasing your attic insulation,

1993
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 3: and that is really important. Make sure that the all

1994
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:02,679
Speaker 3: of the air fel around your attic. You know you're

1995
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 3: preventing that. Talk to a roofer. I mean, if you

1996
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 3: don't know what you're doing, then you could make it

1997
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 3: actually worse. Right, So, and we've always you know, say,

1998
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 3: keep your gutters clean, keep your gutters clean. Well, this

1999
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 3: is one of the main reasons why you want to

2000
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 3: make sure that.

2001
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and I know it's fun. You get the

2002
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 1: blower and the you go to the rental place, you

2003
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 1: go to a big box store and you buy certain

2004
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 1: number of bundles of blown in insulation. It's got a

2005
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 1: hose looks like a dryer hose, and you feed it

2006
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 1: and it's all fluffy. You blow it up there. But

2007
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 1: you do got to know what you're doing because you

2008
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 1: know if you blow the insulation into where another element

2009
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 1: with this too, I should point out, is and these

2010
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,960
Speaker 1: two things sit together, is even in the winter, but

2011
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: especially in the summer, you got to make sure that

2012
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 1: attic is breathing. So you know, that's why you have

2013
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 1: some called a ridge vent. If you look and you're

2014
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 1: in your attic, which I don't how many people are,

2015
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: but at the very peak of it in the newer

2016
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: rooms you can see and look up and go, wow,

2017
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 1: there's a light coming through. Yeah. Also on the ends

2018
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 1: of the roofs you'll see like vents. Right, what does

2019
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:02,519
Speaker 1: that do? It gets the heat out well. Also, no,

2020
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 1: you've got to have air exchange. It keeps the keeps

2021
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 1: mold and things like that out there. But you've got

2022
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 1: to have airflow through there. And if you don't, that

2023
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 1: is that's a recipe for disaster in a lot of ways,

2024
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 1: including what we're talking about here, so it all fits together,

2025
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: is you've got to have atticates. The attics gott to

2026
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 1: be ventilated. You've got a proper amount of insulation up there,

2027
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 1: and if you do that, you're gonna avoid ice, damming

2028
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 1: and other issues that you're starting to see now. And

2029
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,759
Speaker 1: this is the extreme of bit. Most people, most houses,

2030
01:35:26,760 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 1: as you've seen, are under insulated, especially the attic, because

2031
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,719
Speaker 1: even if you have the blown in kind over the years,

2032
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:33,559
Speaker 1: what happens is, if we think about it, a lot

2033
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 1: of dust and debris in the attic poll all these

2034
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 1: things blow in there through the venting, and what happens

2035
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 1: is it causes the insulation, the blowness to settle. It

2036
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 1: starts packing down a little bit. And the again, the

2037
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 1: two things with insulation is not only the type of insulation,

2038
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:50,600
Speaker 1: but also the amount of air that's in there, so

2039
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 1: you actually need airspace to help insulate. If you pack

2040
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 1: the insulation down, even like you know the old the

2041
01:35:57,320 --> 01:35:59,800
Speaker 1: pink insulation, you've packed that down, it's less effective. You

2042
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 1: want want it to be as expansive as the cavity

2043
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 1: you're going to So if you look at you. Yeah,

2044
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: if you look at your attic and you know you

2045
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 1: can see the joists, the ceiling joys or up there

2046
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 1: would be the roof choice floor choyst rather, you know,

2047
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,680
Speaker 1: you probably need more insulation. Man, I do it. I've

2048
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:17,479
Speaker 1: done several and again you got to make sure you're

2049
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: not blowing it all the way down to where the

2050
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: eaves are, where the where the vents are, especially if

2051
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 1: you have those soft events. You know, you know, and

2052
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 1: it depends what you know. Our value it is and

2053
01:36:27,000 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 1: all that. But about good ten inches I think seems

2054
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 1: to be about right for us. But the colder it

2055
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 1: gets and these better temperatures, you're like, well, I need

2056
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 1: more insulation up there. This is kind of it feels

2057
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:37,519
Speaker 1: like right now this is like the the one hundred

2058
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 1: year low. Well, yeah, you don't want to. Don't still

2059
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 1: your whole attic up to the up to the peak

2060
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:49,080
Speaker 1: with with insulation. That's a bad idea. Don't do that.

2061
01:36:49,320 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 3: That's definitely bad. So ice damning. That is what we're

2062
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:56,800
Speaker 3: dealing with an icicles some other February and there's these

2063
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 3: are the things that we're facing this one, especially since

2064
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:03,679
Speaker 3: it's super cold. You want to be careful about your

2065
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:07,680
Speaker 3: furnace and dryer vents to make sure that there's the

2066
01:37:07,760 --> 01:37:12,320
Speaker 3: snow build up is not around to this again, your

2067
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:16,600
Speaker 3: air vents for we're dryer and your furnace come outside

2068
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 3: and you want it to be able to breathe. I

2069
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 3: actually looked at ours and there's a giant icicle because

2070
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 3: there's condensation coming outside. And there is a big icicle

2071
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:30,680
Speaker 3: on the outside of our house right now, and I

2072
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 3: want to send that picture to you later. I'll probably

2073
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:36,800
Speaker 3: post it on my on my blog as well. But

2074
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 3: you know, that's just naturally occurring, and that's going to

2075
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 3: happen because there's the water and the condensation is coming

2076
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 3: outside into the cold. It's going to create a little

2077
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:50,439
Speaker 3: bit of moisture and water and it has it freezes

2078
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 3: right away. So as long as the and there's plenty

2079
01:37:54,120 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 3: of air flow around those vents, that's that's important because and.

2080
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 1: The other thing too is make sure so that icicle

2081
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 1: is it causing that vent not to open or it

2082
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 1: doesn't close all the way. That's a concern and you

2083
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 1: want to you know, break that off and try to

2084
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:10,680
Speaker 1: clean it out if that's the case. If it's just

2085
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,360
Speaker 1: below and the event works normally, like if it's a

2086
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 1: damper kind of the lid blows up and down right

2087
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 1: and it's still functional, works, and don't worry about it.

2088
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:20,200
Speaker 1: But you know, if it's causing that block, it's either

2089
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 1: keep it open because you're gonna have more cold air

2090
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 1: in your house, or you know, God forbid to go

2091
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 1: do laundry and you turn it on and that door

2092
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 1: doesn't open it and now all that exhaust is staying

2093
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 1: in your house. You don't want that, so just check it.

2094
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:35,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and black events can also cause carbon monoxide issues,

2095
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 3: poor furnished performance, and again moisture problems, which we know

2096
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 3: except moisture problems can lead to mold other issues as well.

2097
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 1: But your house will smell like a dryer sheet, which

2098
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 1: is good, right, Oh, the dryers, the vented air stays inside,

2099
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 1: it's more humidity. And now you're gonna that that scent

2100
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 1: that stays in your close. Your whole house is gonna smell. No,

2101
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 1: sounds like it's a bounce house.

2102
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 3: I think that's wrong. I think we talked about because

2103
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 3: I don't know. Sometimes you say things and I have

2104
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 3: to question you.

2105
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: You're a real estate expert, What the hell do you

2106
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 1: now Anyway, my wife Michelle's here talking about ice damming

2107
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 1: and problems this summer with the severe cold.

2108
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So again, if you need you may need

2109
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 3: some help. We've had several home owners had problems with

2110
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 3: frozen pipe. If you open one of your thickets and

2111
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:34,640
Speaker 3: it's on an outside wall and there's no water that

2112
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 3: comes out, it doesn't mean your waters off. It may

2113
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:41,679
Speaker 3: mean that you have a frozen pipe. So you want

2114
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,640
Speaker 3: to be really careful with that. Again, you may have

2115
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 3: to call a plumber or something if you're not a

2116
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 3: handy person. I've had some people use like a hair

2117
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 3: dryer to warm it up gradually so that that frozen

2118
01:39:55,439 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 3: pipe will unsaw. But we know the whole dripping action

2119
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 3: of keeping your doors open to your cabinet and making

2120
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:08,479
Speaker 3: sure that there's air flow going in.

2121
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:10,719
Speaker 1: The plumbers are going to be busy with the people

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Speaker 1: if and we always we warn you know we do this.

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Speaker 1: A segment is make sure in the in the fall,

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Speaker 1: you are taking off the hoses on the outside of

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Speaker 1: your house and people go live it's frost free. I've

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Speaker 1: got a frost free one. Well, it's not freeze free,

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Speaker 1: and especially the colder temperature that ice the ice in

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Speaker 1: the hose will back up just like ice damming basically

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01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 1: goes in and the the the energy from that will

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01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 1: cause a copper pipe to split like a hot dog

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01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 1: on a grill if you're not careful, if you don't

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Speaker 1: take those things off, and if you don't have the

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Speaker 1: frost free ones too, and you want to talk to

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Speaker 1: a plumber about getting those changed out. If it looks

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Speaker 1: like you know, this, this cold cold weather that we

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Speaker 1: have is going to be every year and we're getting

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01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:49,680
Speaker 1: colder and colder, then you definitely want to do that.

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Speaker 1: I know it's a little expensive, but it beats a

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Speaker 1: flooded basement or wherever it might be, you know, to

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01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:56,080
Speaker 1: keep it out. If you have an unfinished basement, that's

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01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 1: good because then you can actually see it. You'll see

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01:40:57,880 --> 01:40:59,960
Speaker 1: it when it you'll go around and go where all

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01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:02,759
Speaker 1: water come from, like the Titanic, where all's water come from.

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Speaker 1: It's coming from a type. It's splint and it's not

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Speaker 1: going to happen today, but it might happen sometime next

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Speaker 1: week as the temperatures warm Upper shot in the spring,

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Speaker 1: and plumbers are hell busy because of that. So the

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Speaker 1: wettest stop at is take that home.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the freezing thaw, freezing saw. To look around and

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Speaker 3: this is really important, I think, just to know what's

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Speaker 3: going on in your own home. Take a look around

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Speaker 3: your foundation, look on the inside in your lower level,

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01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,160
Speaker 3: take a look at small cracks. Make sure that you're

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Speaker 3: not seeing any water see in those areas. The other

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Speaker 3: thing is right now is a good time because once

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01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:43,879
Speaker 3: all of this snow melt, your some pump is going.

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01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:46,840
Speaker 1: To be in over dry facts.

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Speaker 3: So that some pump you want to test it. You

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Speaker 3: want to make sure that it's working. And Scott, how

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Speaker 3: do you do that?

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Speaker 1: I've talked about this enough. You should know. I do know.

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Speaker 3: You got a it's poor, a bucket of water, just.

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Speaker 1: Like Okay, get this. This is the bet the bed

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Speaker 1: is I'm the expert. Okay, a man explain it to you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're right, get it. Get a bucket. If you got

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Speaker 1: a five gollond bucket better, it's fewer trips and you

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Speaker 1: dump the water in there and when that float comes up,

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Speaker 1: it should eject all that water. If it doesn't, you

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Speaker 1: got problems. But typically you're not going to check you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe maybe you haven't checked it in a while, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you have a finished basement, you definitely want to

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Speaker 1: invest in some sort of backup system. You want to

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Speaker 1: check it right now? Probably not because that water's going

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Speaker 1: to freeze coming back out. Yes, I'm meant to do that.

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Speaker 1: Also when you're shoveling too, if you haven't done this ready,

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Speaker 1: just try to keep it away from the foundation anywhere

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Speaker 1: with the foundation. Get that snow away from the house,

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Speaker 1: because if you just pile it up against you know, well,

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Speaker 1: I'll just pile it over here against the foundations. Great,

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Speaker 1: it's cold, but it's gonna melt and go straight down

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Speaker 1: and that taxes further your whole drainage system. So try

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Speaker 1: to get that, you know, good, three to four feet

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Speaker 1: away from around. You don't have to. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I'll go and shovel around your house. You know where

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Speaker 1: the wall is. But you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: No, but you don't want six feet of snow piled

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Speaker 3: up again career foundings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's just.

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Speaker 3: A problem, exactly, exactly all right.

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Speaker 1: so ice damming and some pumps. That's what you gotta

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