1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: To night. Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: director of talk show host Michael Brown. Brownie, No, Brownie, 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: You're doing a heck of a job. The Weekend with 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: Michael Brown broadcasting life from Denver, Colorado. It's the Weekend 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: with Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. Text 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: lines open as always, numbers three three, one zero three 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: on your message app keyword Mike or Michael. Go follow 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: me on x formerly Twitter at Michael Brown USA or 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: Instagram at Michael D. Brown. What if I told you 10 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: I want to finish this topic up because I mentioned 11 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: the State Department? But what if I told you that 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: it's my belief that our own government. Now, don't get 13 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: me wrong, Trump is trying to clean house, but that 14 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: can't be done overnight, and it takes time because you 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: have to really people get burrowed in these in these bureaucracies, 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: and one of the worst bureaucracies is the State Department. Fundamentally, 17 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why the State Department is one 18 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: of the worst ones is because previously it housed the 19 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: United States Agency for International Development USAID, and that was 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: where so much of the funding came from that was 21 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: used by this country to affect regime change without putting 22 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: boots on the ground in other countries, or to at least, 23 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, to it's not all negative. To give you 24 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: the positive side of it, to try to help countries 25 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: that really did want to establish freedom, the rule of law, 26 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: to establish some sort of constitutional regime in which to 27 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: allow free markets to prosper and for their people to 28 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: be lifted out of poverty. The State Department also helped 29 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: in that regard too, So it wasn't a negative. But 30 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: what I'm about to tell you is going to make 31 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: it sound like it's all negative, because the ties between 32 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: this group behind the No Kings marches, this group that 33 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: I've described to you last hour called Indivisible. The ties 34 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: between Indivisible the State Department is actually not just a 35 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: historical coincidence. It is something that has existed for decades 36 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: and decades and has purposely been used by the bureaucrats. 37 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: You know, Secretaries of State come and go. They they 38 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: may serve an entire term, they may not serve an 39 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: entire term. But while the Secretary of State is overseeing 40 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: this behemoth, all of those worker bees way down below, 41 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: some that are in offices in foreign countries the Secretary 42 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: of State and may never even visit, and even if 43 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: he does, they never get in the vernacular of DC, 44 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: they never get down into the weeds of what's really 45 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: going on. So this tie between Indivisible It's organizing these 46 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: protests and the State Department is not a coincidence. The model, actually, 47 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: and this is what I mean by sometimes it's good, 48 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: the model resembles the so called civil society tactics that 49 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: we once exported abroad. We would mobilize non government organizations. 50 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: We would mobilize the government. I say we am talking 51 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: about the government. We would mobilize NGOs, we would mobilize activists, 52 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: we would coordinate media narratives to challenge national governments that 53 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: we thought were not our allies, that were our enemies, 54 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: that were suppressing their populations. Now, those methods and oftentimes 55 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: we would try to justify it as being a pro 56 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: democracy intervention, and sometimes they really were. And I say 57 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: pro democracy because that's the vernacular that the State Department used. 58 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: But what we were trying to do was to foment, 59 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: or to try to germinate movements within countries that were 60 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: ruled by dictators or tyrants, to start color revolutions to 61 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: teach them about, Hey, there's a different way of life. 62 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: You don't have to live under the oppression. Here's what 63 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: a free market looks like. Here's the life that you 64 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: could have. You actually could have reliable electricity, unless you 65 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: live in California, you could have reliable electricity that when 66 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: you flip the switch, it's going to be there all 67 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: the time. But they don't know that. So we were 68 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: trying to show them that, well, those kinds of things 69 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: that we did that were good were often justified as 70 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,239 Speaker 1: or repurposed for by those very institutions that have honed 71 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: them overseas to now use them here. In effect, they're 72 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: using the same playbook that was used to, let's say, 73 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: destabilize a foreign tyrannical regime, is now being deployed against 74 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: the city US president. So when this Leah Greenberg and 75 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: Ezra le Evince speak of quote defending democracy, what they're 76 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: really trying to do is preserve the dominance of a 77 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: political class, a professional political class that defines democracy as 78 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: an alignment with their own worldview, which is a Marxist worldview. 79 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: So if critics, critics who dismiss what I'm saying as 80 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: some sort of conspiracy actually ignore the transparency of the 81 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: funding and the personnel that I described in the first hour. 82 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: The Open Society foundations, for example, the George Soros organizations. 83 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: They boast their support for the group like Indivisible, this 84 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: supporting these protests. You go back to twenty eighteen, you 85 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: can find Open Society Foundation documents, publications, books, pamphlets, cashed 86 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: and archived websites that feature quotes from both Greenberg and 87 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: Levin openly acknowledging the partnership between Indivisible and George Soros. 88 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: There are other board members of Indivisible, Heather McGee, Marilyna InCopy. 89 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: They have deep ties to the Open Society initiatives like 90 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: the National Immigration Law Center, the Rockefeller Brothers Fund. So 91 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: you see this overlapping, this overlapping web of grants, fellowships, directorships. 92 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: That should take any doubt out of your mind that 93 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: the network's influence is deliberate, is it is sustained, It 94 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: is ideal, logical, and it continues to operate to this day. 95 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: So if you want to understand the purpose of No Kings, 96 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: then you have to understand George Sorows because he has 97 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: been funded. You know why do you think, for example, 98 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: just stop and think for a minute. He calls his 99 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: organization the main organization, his Open Society Foundation. Have you 100 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: thought about what that means? Don't we have an open 101 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: society where we're free to speak our minds, where we're 102 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: free to travel, we're free to start a business, We're 103 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: free to fail, we're free to start over again. No, 104 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: their definition of an open society is one where you 105 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: dissolve all the traditional structures faith, family, national, sovereignty, and 106 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: you dissolve all of that because remember, I've talked before 107 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: about how freedom is chaotic. Freedom is chaos. Freedom is 108 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: very difficult cult. It takes our understanding of freedom to 109 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: operate in a world where the person sitting next to 110 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: us can believe exactly the opposite of us. Yet we 111 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: should be able to sit down in the same cafe 112 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: and have dinner. We should be able to express ourselves 113 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: and have disagreements. That's not what they want. They believe 114 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: in a technocratic governance. They believe in an elite governance. 115 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: And again that gets back to they believe because they 116 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: live in this bubble, they believe that they can better 117 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: function and bring more order to society. I don't want 118 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: more order. I don't want more chaos either, but I 119 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: don't want them taking away the chaos that comes with freedom. 120 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: So next segment, let's go back and do a little history, 121 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: and let's start in the nineteen eighties. It's the Weekend 122 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: with Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. Be 123 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: sure and follow me on x at Michael Brown USA, 124 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: And be sure and subscribe to the podcast on your 125 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: podcast app. Search for the Situation with Michael Brown. When 126 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: you find that, hit that subscribe button. Leave a five 127 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: star review that will download the weekday program that we 128 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: do from Denver plus this program and you'll have all 129 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: the Michael Brown you need. I'll be right back. Welcome 130 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: back to the week with Michael Brown. Really glad to 131 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: have you with me. We're doing a history lesson now 132 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: as I tend to do about sorrows because and I 133 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: don't mean to pick I could pick on any number 134 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: of people, but he happens to be the one, and 135 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: his organizations happen to be the ones that are right 136 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: now funding what you're watching this weekend and what you're 137 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: going to hear about this weekend. But I could go 138 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: on about Michael Bloomberg. You learned about the Rockefellers like 139 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: you learned about anybody else. You know, the Corporation for 140 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: Public Broadcasting, and the court, you know, the counselor for 141 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: the you know, for the Public Partnership. All of those 142 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: different organizations are funded by these tech giants like Sergey 143 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: Brinn or Mark Zuckerberg, any of the others. But let's 144 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: focus on Sorrows for a moment, because historically he's always 145 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: kind of been ooh, that's the boogey man. Well, in 146 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: a way, he really is. Go back to the nineteen eighties. 147 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: That was when he first kind of started collaborating with 148 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: the US State Department. And what was he doing. He 149 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: was collaborating with them because they were focused on Eastern Europe. 150 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: Then you fast forward by three two thousand and three, 151 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: Sorols gets disillusioned with our own, with America's foreign policy. 152 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: So then he started redirecting his focus inward and actually 153 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: declared the United States itself to be the chief obstacle 154 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: to his vision of a world comprised of these open societies, 155 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: in other words, of all these societies and countries being 156 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: governed by Marxist technocrats. And when you're a bazillionaire you 157 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: can actually think that big. His goal, I said, was 158 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: to create these open societies. Well that what that really 159 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: means is you've got to weaken the cultural and institutional 160 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: foundations that allow a country like us to function as 161 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: a self governing society. You can't have technocrats determining how 162 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, the who, what, where, when and why, or 163 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: the how of what you eat, what you eat, how 164 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: you eat, when you eat, how you travel, what kind 165 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: of housing you have, what kind of transportation you have. 166 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: You cannot have an open society, to use his term, 167 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: where you and I make those choices ourselves and a 168 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: free market responds to what we want. No, you have 169 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: to have a technocratic society where those elitists who are 170 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 1: so damned much smarter than we are, that they make 171 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: those decisions. So that goal of creating open societies really 172 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: means weakening destroying the cultural and institutional and governing foundations 173 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: that allow a self governing society like ours to actually 174 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: function with a free market and what I call a 175 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: truly open society. So there's no king's campaign, which you 176 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: know you'll hear nothing more. You'll hear it all week. 177 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: I promise you this that my kingdom on it that 178 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: all they'll talk about is they're defending democracy. That is 179 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: a carefully branded attempt to delegitimize political authority that does 180 00:12:54,400 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: not serve his globalist idea of a Marxist technocratic world. 181 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: Were people who, because they're elitists, know better than you 182 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: and I do about how to make choices for our 183 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: own lives. When you look at it that way, that 184 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: means that all of these slogans really are dark. In 185 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: my belief. You don't have to believe as I do, 186 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: but in my belief it is evil. It is truly evil, 187 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: because I am one that believes that if we're made 188 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: in the image of God, which I do believe, we're 189 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: meant to live in freedom and liberty. They are just 190 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: the opposite. They don't believe in freedom and liberty. They 191 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: want an organized, technocratic society that is governed by people 192 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: that you know, I guess you have to have a 193 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,839 Speaker 1: certain iq, you got to have a certain balance in 194 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: your brokerage account or your bank account. They are the ones. 195 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: They are the ones that need to be making these decisions. 196 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: The organizations that are behind what you're watching this weekend, well, 197 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: they're conspicuously silent when progressive leaders flat constitutional limits or 198 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: manipulate institutions for partisan game. So their outrage, like they're funding, 199 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: is conditional. What unites them is not devotion to freedom 200 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: and liberty, but obedience to a transnational vision that subordinates 201 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: every country's national sovereignty to an elitist consensus, to an 202 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: elitist governance. Now, I think it's tempting to see all 203 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: that as a natural evolution of political activism. And in 204 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: a digital age, they're able to do all this organizing. 205 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: Just I go back to the simple text message that 206 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: I received on Thursday night at seven point fifty pm. 207 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: Think of the million of text messages. Now this is 208 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, you know what it's like. I would liken 209 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: it to scammers. Scammers just have to send the phishing email, 210 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: the text message with the malware in a link. They 211 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: have to send it to a billion people, because if 212 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: they can get a million people, do the math. If 213 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: you can get them or even five hundred thousand, whatever 214 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: the number is, to respond, wow, that's success to them. 215 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: The same is true here. So this continuity between Indivisible's origins, 216 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: indivisibles funding sources, and the way they operate, their organizational structure, 217 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: their funding, structure, their strategies, their tactics. This is calculated 218 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: and it is evil. And then the use of donor 219 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: advise funds obscures the accountability. So the recycling of all 220 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: these people that used to work in the State Department 221 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: into domestic activism, that also is purposeful because that blurs 222 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: the line between governance and agitation. Are you working for 223 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: and take and fulfilling your oath to the United States 224 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: of America as a bureaucrat working in the State Department, 225 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: or is your real loyalty to the agitation, to the organization, 226 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: to the fundamental transformation. That's why the deep state, the 227 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: administrative state, is so dangerous to the future of this republic. 228 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: And every component I just mentioned has the same goal 229 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: and it serves the same goal, and that is to 230 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: replace representative governance representative politics with managed consent, with directed consent. 231 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: In fact, I probably shouldn't even use the word consent. 232 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: With managed organization and managed governance. This is where we are, 233 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: and our failure to recognize where we are empowers them 234 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: and encourages them even further. This is why I'm not 235 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: I am being alarmist, but I'm trying to be rational 236 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: about my alarm. And what I'm trying to hopefully convince 237 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: you of is that while the cabal will talk to 238 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: you about you know, they're they're all for democracy, and 239 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: you know they're just anti Trump. No, it goes much 240 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: much deeper than that. This is a fundamental transformation of 241 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 1: America and Trump has stepped in and he's disrupted that. 242 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: You know, in startups and technology we talk about disruptors. 243 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: Trump is a disruptor, and that's why the reaction is 244 00:17:55,960 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: so vociferous, so strong. 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When I was with the 257 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: Bush administration, John Bolton was a part of the administration also. 258 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: He was the Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and 259 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: International Security Affairs, I think from early on in the 260 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: administration till sometime in mid two thousand and five, and 261 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: then after that he got a recess appointment and became 262 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: the Ambassador to the United Nations. I remember being in 263 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: a few meetings with him, but our paths didn't cross 264 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: in any significant or meaningful way. So I only knew 265 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: Bolton by reputation. I only knew Bolton by which is 266 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: pretty common among members of administration, particularly at that level 267 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: cabinet level, that everybody has people. You almost form little 268 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: cliques that the people that you work with the most. 269 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: For example, while while indeed Bolton was at DoD at 270 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: the Pentagon, most of my interactions were with either Rumsfeld, 271 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: who was the Secretary of Defense at the time, or 272 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: with Gordon England, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, or at 273 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: the Department of Energy. UH, it was with certain people 274 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: that were with the National Nuclear Security Administration, and then 275 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: the white House was Chief of Staff, Deputy chief of Staff, 276 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: Comms Director. White House Advanced Team a lot. So you 277 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: just did that. That's how you develop the relationships when 278 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: you're at that level, when you're in the cabinet or 279 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: the sub cabinet. So Bolton and I, because he was 280 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: just dealing with arms control stuff, really we just didn't 281 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: cross paths that much. But the reputation was that he 282 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: was a freelancer. That he was. That he was, He 283 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: was always in it. He's one of those creatures of 284 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 1: the Beltway, always there just looking for whatever the next opportunity. Was. 285 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: Not what we expected people to do in the cabinet, 286 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, to come and serve your country and then leave. 287 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: When I talk about a freelancer, I mean sense that 288 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: he really didn't give a ratsass about whatever the president's 289 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: agenda was. It was more about what his agenda was. 290 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: And I had a hard time dealing with that because 291 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: I felt like, look, if you if you're nominated by 292 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: the president and then you have to go through a 293 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: Senate confirmation and then you go through all of the 294 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: rigorm role that you go through to get your clearances, 295 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: you owe an obligation that if the president's agenda is X, 296 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: even though you may disagree with X. Now if it's 297 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: earth shattering and it violates principles, then you shouldn't take 298 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: the position to begin with. But if you got minor 299 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: differences about policy, then your job is to help implement 300 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: that policy or to convince, as I would often do, 301 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: try to vent, to convince the president or the White 302 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: or the White House staff, Hey can we do this 303 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: just a little differently. Sometimes I'd win, sometimes I wouldn't. 304 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: But it was John Bolton. It was always is his 305 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: way of the highway. At least that was the perception 306 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: and the reputation. So when the headline reads that John 307 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: Bolton surrenders to federal authorities, I just think, wow, never 308 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: saw that coming, or did I? So Bolton's now been 309 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: indicted by a grand jury. Bolton had gone on to 310 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: become Trump's National security advisor. He was also I've deliberately 311 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: left out one point. He was also one of the architects, 312 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: if not a manipulator, of my old boss's decision to 313 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: go into Iraq. In fact, he was one that convinced 314 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: a lot of people, including me at times, that Saddam 315 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: Hussein did have weapons of mass destruction. I still believe 316 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: to this day that prior to our invasion, of Iraq 317 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: that Sadem Hussein did have wmd but from the top 318 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: that we started building the coalition, and from the time 319 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: that Colin Powell went to the United Nations and drew 320 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: the line in the sand, we had given saw them 321 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: Hussein more than enough time to go to Vladimir Putin 322 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: and say, hey, listen, I need to get rid of 323 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,439 Speaker 1: these WMDs. Whatever it might be, the nerve gas, seren gas, 324 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: whatever it might be that he had, we had plenty. 325 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: We gave him plenty of time to get rid of it. 326 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: So I think it's just kind of an academic exercise 327 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: to argue about whether he did or did not. But nonetheless, 328 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: Bolton was convinced of it. And Bolton was an architect 329 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: because he's a typical neocon that thinks the solution to 330 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: everything is to go to war. These charges against Bolton 331 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: claim that he was unlawfully hoarding documents that he sent 332 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: classified info over AOL America online instant messaging in twenty eighteen. 333 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: You know, TEA twenty eighteen seems like the Dark Ages 334 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: to some people, but AOL to me is really the 335 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: Dark Ages because I can remember when you remember we 336 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: had all the discs in the mail. Every single day, 337 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: the mail man would deliver at least to AOL discs 338 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: trying to you know, hey, I signed up for AOL 339 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: when it came out. I think I had an AOL 340 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: email address. You've got mail. He actually shared classified communications 341 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: over AOL messaging services. It's alleged that he shared more 342 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: than a thousand pages of notes while working on a memoir. 343 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: He shared it with his wife and his daughter, neither 344 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: of whom had security clearances. Part of the indictment says 345 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: this from Honor about April nine, twenty eighteen, through Honor 346 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: about September fifteenth, twenty nineteen, on a regular basis, Bolton 347 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: s diary like entries to his wife and daughter that 348 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: contain information classified up to the top secret slash SCI 349 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: level SCI Special compartmentalized information. That's one of the highest 350 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: levels of classification. And he's sending that over unsecured lines 351 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: to people who do not have clearances. Now, this is 352 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: not death penalty type infractions. This is not Julius and 353 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: Ethel Rosenberg. This is not aldrich Aims stuff. What was 354 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: Bolton doing, To put it charitably, he was trying to 355 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: cash in. He was trying to cash in on a 356 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: lifelong career of neo conservative warmongering. The problem is this 357 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 1: Iranian hackers representatives of a government that have called for 358 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: and put a reward on the head of Donald Trump, 359 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: not to mention Bolton himself, they also had access to AOL. 360 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: Now I'm only laughing because every time I use the 361 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: phrase AOL, I think back, Jiminy Christmas Buckough, that's what 362 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: you were using. I think to this day, I may 363 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: still have a listener or two out there. This sends 364 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: me that still hasn't AOL addressed. You know what I think? Now, 365 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: it's just kind of cute, kind of retro. But according 366 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: to the indictment, the Iranians intercepted the messages. So it 367 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: looks like the guy that had the you know, the 368 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: guy that's known as the Stash because of his mustache, 369 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: probably got a little too careless with his soul called 370 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: secret travel memos. Bolton has issued a statement that these 371 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: charges are not just about Trump's focus on me or 372 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: my diaries, but it is his intensive effort to intimidate 373 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: his opponents to ensure that he alone determines what is 374 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: said about his conduct. Dissent and disagreement are foundational to 375 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: America's constitutional system and vitally important to our freedom. I 376 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: look forward to the fight to defend my lawful conduct 377 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: and to expose his abuse of power. Well that's package. 378 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: That's quite a package that was written by a damn 379 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: good lawyer, because you know, whatsent and disagreement are foundational 380 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: to our constitutional system. I agree, that's not what you're 381 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: accused of having done wrong. What you're accused of, which, 382 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: interestingly he doesn't address whatsoever in that statement, is the 383 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: dissemination of classified information to people who don't have clearances, 384 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: and using unsecured lines to disseminate that classified information, such 385 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: that we know for a fact that he was hacked 386 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: by the Iranians, a nation that calls us the Great 387 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: Satan and has called and has, for my belief, has 388 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: terrorst sales located in this country. Now, they may be 389 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: weakened right now, but those sales still exist. And we're 390 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: just supposed to blow this off because the claim is 391 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: it's so easy to claim, Oh, this is just Trump 392 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: trying to get against his enemies. Let's not forget something 393 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: about the Bolton case in particular. I'll tell you what 394 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: that is next. It's the weekend with Michael Brown. Go 395 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: follow me on X right now at Michael Brown USA. 396 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: Be right back. Welcome back to the Weekend with Michael Brown. 397 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: Glad to have you with me. If you like what 398 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: we do on the weekend, you know you can listen 399 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: during the weekday too. 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So his response 410 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: to this indictment is that these are you know, Trump's, 411 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: these charges are not just about Trump's focus on me 412 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: on my diaries. It's his effort to intimidate his opponents. 413 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, How's Trump intimidating his opponents? If the 414 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: Department of Justice takes I tried to explain this to 415 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: my audience yesterday. Yes, I know the old trope about 416 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: how easy it is to indict a ham sandwich. But 417 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: if the ham sandwich a couple of pieces of white bread, 418 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: some of that plastic American cheese, and a slice of 419 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: cheap ham, maybe a little mayo on it, if that 420 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: ham sandwich has violated the ham sandwich laws, and you 421 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: take it. You don't decide yourself that the ham sandwich 422 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: has violated the laws, but instead take it to a 423 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: jury of its peers who are sitting looking at all 424 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: sorts of cases. You know, a grand jury is selected 425 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: and then they are seated, and they don't meet every 426 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: day necessarily. Now in some busy jurisdictions they might, but 427 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,479 Speaker 1: they get called up they're in that particular grand jury pool, 428 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 1: and they are asked to come in that day or 429 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: maybe for several days, and the prosecutor presents his evidence 430 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: or her evidence against the ham sandwich. Now, the grand 431 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: jury's taken an oath, and that oath is to be 432 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: fair and objective to apply the law to the allegations 433 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: that the prosecutor is presenting. And much like a preliminary hearing, 434 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: albeit without defense counsel, they're supposed to look and see 435 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: is there enough evidence? Does it appear that there is 436 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: sufficient evidence to return an indictment against this ham Sandwich? 437 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: And if the jurors and you know, to somehow dismiss 438 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: the grand jury as or they're just indicting a ham Sandwich, 439 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: is really unfair to those jurors. They're being forced to 440 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: take time out of their day, maybe out of their week, 441 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: sometimes out of their month to go serve on that 442 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,959 Speaker 1: grand jury. And every jur that I every jur I've 443 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: ever encountered, either in a grand jury situation or in 444 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: a trial, in a criminal trial or even a contract trial, 445 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: jurors take that oath series. They may bitch and moan 446 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: about I got to serve on the jury, blah blah 447 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: blah blah, But once they sat in that room and 448 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: they hear evidence and the gravity of what is before 449 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: them hits them, they take it seriously. I've talked to 450 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: many jurors all not all the cases I've been involved in, 451 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: but other people have been involved in juries, and I've 452 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: had what was it like? Because of course I'll never 453 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: be able to serve on a jury, And I'll ask 454 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: them what did it feel like? What was it like? 455 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, you know, we didn't want to 456 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: be there, and you know, we weren't sure about the case. 457 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: But then they start presenting the evidence and we start realizing, oh, 458 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: there's two sides to a story. Or if they're in 459 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: front of a grand jury, they start realizing, oh, this 460 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: prosecutor has really put things together. You know, let's ask 461 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: some questions about this. Let's go into the room and 462 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: deliberate it. They do take it seriously. I put all 463 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: that out because here the Department of Justice, the US 464 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: Attorney just didn't decide, hey, I'm going to bring charges 465 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: against John Bolton. They took the evidence they had and said, here, 466 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: grand jurors, you look at it. You decide do you 467 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: think there's enough evidence here. Now, of course they're going 468 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: to make their case, but the grand jury is ultimately 469 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: the ones that decide to return the indictment, and if 470 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: they do, that's an indication that they looked at the 471 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: evidence and they thought it was enough the charges ought 472 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: to be brought. That's what happened in the Bolton case. 473 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: So for Bolton to claim that, oh, he's just trying 474 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: to intimidate his opponents, No, there must be some evidence 475 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: here and In fact, if you look at the indictment, 476 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: if you look at the charging document, they actually point 477 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: out and quote and they give evidence of where these 478 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: violations occurred. Now he's still presumed innocent. Don't get me wrong, 479 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: John Bolton is presumed innocent. But the charging document is 480 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: like probable cause. It's like showing that here's why we 481 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: believe there are charges, here's why we believe this person 482 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: is guilty. And when they start to present the case, 483 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: whether it goes in front of the judge only or 484 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: it's a jury trial, the prosecutors stand up and they 485 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: make a contract with that judge and with that jury, 486 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: and that contract is simply this, we're going to prove 487 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: to you beyond a reasonable doubt that XYZ happened. It's 488 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: a pretty serious contract. And if the jurors don't believe 489 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,959 Speaker 1: that you've met the terms of the contract, in other words, 490 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: that you did improve beyond a reasonable doubt that XYZ occurred, 491 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: then hmm, you're going to lose the case. I only 492 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: say that because every defendant claims that they're innocent, and 493 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: some are, but most are not. It's true that Bolton 494 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: has said some unkind things of about Donald Trump since 495 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: he was left his political orbit. And it's also true 496 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: that Trump is using any means necessary to target enemies, 497 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:18,240 Speaker 1: real or perceived. But unlike James Comy or Leticia James, 498 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: for that matter, Trump's other two most powerful recent lawfair targets. 499 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 1: Bolton's indictment actually has a chance to stick. He almost 500 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,879 Speaker 1: certainly won't serve a full ten year sentence, as is 501 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: allowed under these charges. But the grand jury indictment is 502 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: quite specific and is very pointed. The law tends to 503 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: be biased against the guy who is actually hoarding strategic 504 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: government communications to write a memoir. Well, I forget that 505 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 1: I was in the room or something. Let's keep in 506 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: mind that, as I said, he was a key architect 507 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: of the idea that Salim Hussein had WMD. In two 508 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: thousand and three, in an interview with National Public Radio, 509 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: a sure sign that the political winds had shifted for Bolton, 510 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: he said, well, what I said about WMD depends on 511 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: how you define a lie, because if you believe that's 512 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: a lie, then the law then the law. A lot 513 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: of what I hear on NPR on any given days, 514 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: a lie, to me, a lie is a statement that 515 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: is untrue, that's uttered deliberately knowing its faults. The administration 516 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: didn't lie down That fascinating is he saying that we 517 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,720 Speaker 1: believed it to be true even though it proved ultimately 518 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: that it wasn't. Somebody The text line says, oh, by 519 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: the way, I was with the Colorado National Guard and 520 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 1: I saw those WMD's being shipped to Syria. Yeah, just 521 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: as I suspected so Bolton's indictment. It is once again 522 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: about holding people accountable.