WEBVTT - Scott Sloan Show -- 10/28/25 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.040 To be the iHeartRadio app. Take that wherever you want. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.840 You also stream it, but also podcast that. We're here 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:08.600 for you, especially if you're driving and stuck in god 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.160 awful traffic this morning. Yes, we had rain and we've 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.120 had some significant rainfall today and tomorrow. And you know 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:17.320 what that means. We're going to practice driving like morons. 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:19.119 All of us are going to drive stupidly. So we 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:21.360 have accidents and backups and all that stuff as well. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.920 So hang type, be patient, and it is what it is. 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:28.760 So we jump in this morning with news a governor 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.400 a shutdown of course, approaching the thirty day mark, and 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.040 it's starting to become a growing liability for both the 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.960 Democrats and Republicans. So Republicans passed the Continuing Resolution, which 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.720 is basically kicking the can down the road to fund government. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:41.159 We do. 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.239 That's all we do now is continuing resolutions and then 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:46.280 address it later on. And the threat a shutting the 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:49.360 government will happen in another seven weeks. So Democrats have 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:53.320 blocked it. They want enhanced Obamacare subsidies and want Medicaid funding. 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.959 And now with forty two million people set to lose 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.840 flo's assistance with snap benefits on Saturday. Is anyone feeling 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:03.040 the pressure at all to get this thing wrapped up? 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.640 And I'll know too that congressional approval rating has plummeted 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.480 from twenty six percent, which is awful, to fifteen percent 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:15.080 in the past month. A fifteen percent approval rating. To 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:19.160 put that in perspective, the Cincinnati Bengals defense has an 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:22.479 eighteen percent approval rating. That's how bad it is. Kevin 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:26.080 Burton is a political analyst at Crosstown Consulting in northern Kentucky. Kevin, 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:26.600 welcome back. 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:26.920 How are you? 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:29.839 Thanks for having me, sloney. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:30.160 Appreciate it. 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.959 Before we get into the national politics of this, I 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:35.280 want to put our local head on and I know 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.319 you isn't a keen observer of both sides of the 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:41.360 Ohio River. We have an election coming up in seven days. 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:45.040 Mayor aft Ted Pureval has fired but not fired Chief 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.560 Thiji Terry Thigi, the police chief. They're going to take 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:49.840 until the end of the year. They've hired Frost Brown, 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.760 Todd and Company to poke and prod and find out 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:55.760 why they fired her. If that makes any sense, that 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.480 that doesn't have to make sense because it's politics. I 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.160 suspect that Aftab will not pay political price for this, 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.840 and he'll get re elected. But you wonder about members 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.440 of council. Somebody's gonna have to pay the price, and 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:08.959 not just Terry Thiji. I think would you agree or disagree? 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:13.440 So yeah, I mean for as mayor Aftabs going to 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.040 win reelection. You you know, you have about as good 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:21.160 as chances getting a date with halle Berry as Astappas 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.120 is losing, like it's not gonna happen. 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:23.959 He's going to win. 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.840 The real question is going to be there's a lot 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.920 of legacy family names on the ballot this time. Uh 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.320 you know, you have a Mallory, you have a dree House, 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.639 Uh you know, Lukita Cole is a well known name. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:41.000 So the question really is how many people vote, you know, 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:46.960 let's say six incumbents, two or three of the you know, 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.480 non incumbents, and is that enough to get someone like 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:54.400 a Chris Smitherman or Liz Keating through the finish line. 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.799 So you know, we can all speculate, but I would 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.639 say Chris Smitherman and Unless Keating are the two best 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:06.320 to break the stronghold of the Democratic All Council. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:07.760 And then you wonder who loses. 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.000 I think last time, it was council Member Anna Oldby 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:13.120 is the one who I think she was just above 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:16.760 the threshold, right the nine papose person to get it. 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.160 And you wonder who it is going to be this 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.440 time for sure, But somebody's going to pay some price. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:24.000 There's just too many people running and there's too much upheaval, 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:28.680 and namely with this crime issue that's polarizing everybody. Aftab 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.200 will be just fine. But at the same time, politically speaking, 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.840 in seven days and I think he's pretty much a 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:35.600 lock at this point. 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:36.400 No such thing. 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.640 You never know, but I just don't see the demand 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:43.040 by people who live in Hamlin County, specifically Cincinnati's saying, yeah, 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.720 we got to get rid of him. I don't know 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:47.400 if the alternative is better or not. I know a 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.600 lot of people are lobbing, but I'm not sure that 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.240 works in all blue Hamlin, deep blue Hamlin County. But 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:55.160 I would think he's going to be on somewhat of 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:56.920 a short lease with the new council coming in and 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:58.920 go correct. Isn't that what he's going to have to 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:01.600 pay politically, is he's going to have to probably be 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:03.720 a little bit more in tune with what's happening and 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:05.680 doesn't have as much wiggle room as he used to. 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.560 Well, I mean, first off, the city of Cincinnati voted 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.480 roughly seventy five to twenty five percent for Harris versus Trump, 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:17.159 so they you can suffer a lot of defections and 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.800 still be completely fine, you know. For Astab, I think 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.800 the bigger issue is going to be the posturing of 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.440 council candidates after this election, because he's term limited out 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.360 for mayor and what's what's the number one thing politicians do? 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.159 They try to make themselves look better. So I think 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.360 for the next you know, two four years, you're going 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.800 to see a different council because now the stakes are 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:44.440 you know, there's more at stake because all of them 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.640 want to be mayor. So I think you're going to 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.960 start seeing more pushback, more, you. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.919 Know, different thought processes. So it'll be interesting to see 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.440 does the dismissal of Terry Thiji play with the electorate. 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.320 You know, we tend to be a little more newsy 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.599 and news cycle. I can smell BS a mile away. 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:02.920 Uh you can too. 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:05.320 I think most people listening have a good sense of 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:06.719 that as well, because you look at this makes no 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.719 sense whatever, But the typical voter doesn't pay that close attention. 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.280 Do the optics of her dismissal or I guess her 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.000 suspension while I investigate what is it she did wrong? 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.320 Which is completely backwards? Does that actually play with voters? 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:26.080 Well, we will see in seven days. Historically, no, I mean, 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:31.120 you know, everyone always talked about how they're tired of 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.200 the status quo, you know, and all this. Ninety one 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.960 percent of the time, the better finance candidates win, ninety 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.600 percent of the time, you know, the incumbents win. 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.480 Right at the end of the day, it's up to 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:44.120 the voters. 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:48.080 And time and time again, voters for just have apathy 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:52.120 and they justn't keep voting for whoever's in office. Yeah, 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.120 and no real change ever really happens. 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.080 Well then, and then, first of all, it's deep blue, 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.720 so it favors after pure vol has incombatated favors in 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.200 but also the the money. He's over three hundred thousand 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.920 dollars and believe Corey Bowman, the challenger, has less than sixty. 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.279 So that kind of tells you what he's up against there. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.960 Let's shift to what's going on the federal government. Kevin Burton, 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:14.760 political analysts with Crosstown consultings upholster with the shutdown itself, 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:16.600 and now we're As I said at the beginning, I 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.800 think I hate you on too. It's all theater. For 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.000 the first few weeks of the shutdown, it's nothing but theater. 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.839 Because eight percent of government is shut down. The other 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.400 ninety two percent is doing just fine. It's like letting 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.680 the receptionists go home early, turning the lights out in 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:31.920 the front office. But people are still working behind the scenes. 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.240 It's just you don't see the forward facing stuff like 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.480 parks and trash pickup and stuff like that. There are 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.400 forty two million people, forty two million families set to 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:43.000 lose food assistance with SNAP shutting down on Saturday because 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.040 there's no funding. I asked, who's feeling the pressure at all? 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:50.360 Fifty percent blame Republicans, forty three percent blame Democrats with independence. 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.279 It's about fifty one thirty four Republican. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.840 And obviously the reason why is because Republicans controlled the 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.040 White House, the Senate, and the House, so that makes 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.600 them the more vulnerable party. But I remember starting to 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.760 shift relative to people blaming Democrats with us. 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:08.000 So yes, in the last three weeks it was substantially more. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:14.640 It basically went from thirteen points now down to seven. 0:07:15.640 --> 0:07:19.120 You know, so the Republicans have closed the gaps, but 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.040 at the end of the day, I don't know how 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.400 much lower it's going to go because they do control 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.960 both chamber, and you know, frankly, both parties are gambling 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.680 with forty two million lives, which I mean, I think 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.320 that's the bigger issue that we should be talking about. 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.640 That Just get the job done. Like you guys are elected, 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.520 you are still getting paid. But if you're trying to 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:42.200 fly with TSA or anything, it's a nightmare. I just 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:44.760 think the American people just want it done. Just get 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.600 the deal done. That's what you're elected, right. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.440 Democrats will say, well, we're getting some traction here because 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.840 you know, we're on the right side with healthcare. Americans 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.520 favor us and our plans with healthcare. Republicans really don't 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.920 have a plan. And we just had seven million people 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.000 show up to attend a No Kings rally. Whatever the 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.280 hell that was, that has no impact whatsoever for them 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.800 to look at the No Kings rally go A million 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:08.920 people showed up this week in the protest. They all 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:12.280 protested Trump for different reasons. 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:17.560 Yeah, you know, no, and sometimes when you're the loudest, 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:21.679 it doesn't mean anything. It's you know, it's an echo chamber. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.320 The real question is how many new people did you get? 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.680 Because at the end of the day, Trump has figured 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:34.040 out that his model of it's fifty plus one, So 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.840 every single election is fifty percent of the vote plus 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.760 one more person. And he knows his bass, he knows 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.280 how to turn him out bigger than everything. 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.360 And there is a lot of silent Trump voters. So 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:48.480 you know, at the end of the. 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:53.400 Day, Democrats need to play this smart and frankly, you know, 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:58.320 jakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer have looked kind of like 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.280 a deer in a headlight. Regardless of what you thought 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:05.079 of Nancy Pelosi, she stood on she was a fighter. 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:07.440 Can you say the same about those two? 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:08.599 No? 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:12.360 No, The thing is if this shutdown extends in November, 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.839 we're closing in thirty five days is the longest period 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.480 we have with a shutdown. That's largely because of the 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.040 real cuts. We start to see the theaters at the 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.120 first few weeks. Now you're starting to see the real 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:25.280 results of the shutdown. People not getting food, and food 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.560 is instance, and like, if this extends into November and 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:32.120 we see the Obamacare premiums hit millions of Americans, which 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.439 party's better position to capitalize on that. You want to 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.440 say the Democrats, But with the leadership and lack of 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.360 direction they have, I don't think that's necessarily true to you. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.040 I would still favor the Democrats just because healthcare is 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.800 kind of their number one thing. And frankly, you just 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.640 said Obamacare. So if Obamacare goes up three you know, 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.480 three times under a president, you're going to be like, well, 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:58.720 under Obama was this. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:02.480 But I just think it speaks. 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:06.840 More of just how in the last twelve years you 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.719 can't get anything done anymore. No, it's so polarizing that, 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.280 you know, frankly, both sides need to concede a little 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.839 bit and if it's good for eighty five percent of 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:18.840 the country, just get the deal done. 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:20.720 And if you're complaining and you're part of the no 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.120 Kings movement, which I know, we have a king because 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.000 he just does what he wants with executive order. 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.000 It's because of what we're talking about. 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.600 The Congress is so ineffective, so gridlocks and dead luck 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.440 that they you know, we certainly Joe Biden had his 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.800 share of executive orders. Now Trump has exceeded that for sure, 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:39.559 but that that's the new reality. Congress isn't doing their job. 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:42.440 They're not legislating anymore. They're just leaving it to the 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:47.080 president and their guy via executive order. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.640 And this is why we should have term limits in Congress. 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.959 I mean, frankly, you have people in there who's been 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:57.920 in all like their careers have been thirty plus years 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:03.000 in Congress. Get out, you're too old, right, like sorry, 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.320 Like I just you know, it boggles my mind that 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:11.240 we have term limits for governors, we have term limits 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:18.679 for presidents, but heaven forbid, senators and representatives have terms now. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.440 Pilots, truck drivers, there's all sorts of occupations in the 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.920 real world where you can't work past a certain age, 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.720 and there's nothing wrong with that. But I don't understand 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.880 how an eighty plus year old lawmaker is relevant. And 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.920 you know, you've got to explain them how an iPhone 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:35.520 works before you can actually address the issues of legislating 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.920 what that looks like, and no idea whatsoever. They're completely clueless. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.800 And those are the most senior people in leadership positions. 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:44.959 The Shoomer's the world. There's just so many of them 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.480 right now, and I think we can do better, and 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:51.120 term limits are certainly part of that. Kevin, regarding this, 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.160 at some point, do you think that there's going to 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.360 be cool or heads like, is it really going to 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.120 get to the fact that forty too many people won't 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.319 get snap benefits starting on Saturday? I know it's kind 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:02.319 of like overplayed, but that hits home for a lot 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.920 of people, especially with you know, going to the grocery 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:06.720 store and seeing like the cost of beef. You know, 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:12.280 I'm nowhere certainly near, thank god, receiving public assistance. I 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:14.240 go to the store and I see ground beef. I go, yeah, 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:15.760 you know what, I like ground beef. But I'm good 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.720 I'm not paying those kind of prices right now. That 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:20.719 that's really got to hit home for these lawmakers. Do 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.000 you see this thing ending before Saturday that they're going 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.240 to come to a conclusion and if so, let's get 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:26.640 down the path of what that looks like. 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.640 Well, and that's that's the billion dollar question. 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.400 I mean, gambling with forty two million lives is a 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:38.160 risky proposition for both sides. I don't have the data 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:41.920 of where those forty two million you know, voters are. 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.199 But it's kind of like a kid. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.800 You know, when you have an exam, you're going to 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.040 push it off, push it off, push it off. Well, 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.960 you know, Friday is kind of the date you have 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:55.880 to get it done by, and if you don't, then 0:12:55.920 --> 0:13:00.880 there's actual serious consequences. And this keeps going longer in November. 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.240 You know, the busiest time of the year to travel 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.040 is during Thanksgiving, so you're going to create even more 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:11.120 of a headache with TSA and the air traffic. So 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:15.439 to your point, starting Saturday is when you know it 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.200 really hits home. 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:22.280 And we're seeing a fifteen percent approval rating. Fifteen percent 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:23.760 that has got to be close to an all time 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.560 low for Congress. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.440 Yet you know ninety percent of incumbents will still win. 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:36.640 It is you know, it's the complete It's just amazing that, 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.520 you know, we all agree that Congress isn't effective, but 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.360 then you know everyone turns around and just rubber stamps 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.560 them again. And I think the interesting thing is, and 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.840 you're kind of seeing this with up in New York 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.880 with Mindani and that in a lot of ways, the 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:56.160 Democrats are kind of going through what Republicans. Did you 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.720 know ten years ago that they felt like, you know, 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.200 they're hardy apparatus has sailed. 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.160 Them, and there's kind of a revolt. 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:07.680 You know, so like the neo liberals, I want to 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.480 be shocked if he starts seeing maybe even Chuck Schumer 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:16.600 and all these older ones get primaried because you know, 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:20.240 because that's exactly what Trump and you know, the Maga 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.240 movement kind of really did that, you know, simply they 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:27.000 said that we are tired of the status quo and 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:29.680 you kind of let us down the road and we've 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:30.400 gotten nowhere. 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.720 Thomas Massy a great example of that where you are 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.360 in Kentucky. To get out of this mess, they'd have 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.920 to strike a deal to save face. And I guess 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:42.480 if we're looking at the Democrats are talking about, you know, 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.160 we've got seven million Americans losing their healthcare. We're trying 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.720 to prevent that. We we forced Republicans to back down 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.960 from gutting Obamacare, and this is what we're fighting for, 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.560 Republicans to say, you know, we want a targeted relief, 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.600 we don't want more socialism, socialist expansion. We save hundreds 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:59.840 of billions of dollars with you know, but by gutting this, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:04.239 by stopping this, and restored responsible governance and ended democratic 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:06.280 obstruction cent So that's what both sides will say. Which 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:07.320 is the winning messaging? 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.400 I mean, on paper, it should be the Democrats, but 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:19.520 they've played everything wrong against Trump for the last decade. 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.640 However, So you know, if I. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.360 Was the Democrats right now, I would say, aren't we 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.280 raking in billions of dollars in tariffs? And then that 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:33.800 helped pay for this? But they're incompetent. Their leadership is incompetent. 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.120 So if you ask me, I think Republicans will come 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.400 out of this probably, you know, absolutely, fine. 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:41.080 Yeah, I would think. 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:41.320 So. 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.600 It's just because the idea is and I think most 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:46.560 people realize, like, well, we're subsidizing something. Okay, great, and 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.680 I need it. I need it today. I don't care 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.920 it's going to bankrupt the country because we're just borrowing 0:15:50.920 --> 0:15:53.120 more money. It's way too ex HEALTHA is way too expensive. 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.440 We're subsidizing that. That's other people's tax money that you're 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.640 subsidized with. But you know, if you can't afford to 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.920 get A, or your fear that you know, my chronic 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:04.840 illness is going to come back and I can't get coverage, 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.320 and I'm gonna fall between the quack cracks and what happens. 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.720 Everything I work for is is gone right. I get 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.720 the urgency, that's a different matter entirely, and I could 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:15.680 see where both sides everything, but but yeah, I think 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.480 they just come to a conclusion. Go listen, this has 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.880 been too you know, if you get the speakers together, 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.200 the length and the pain of the shutdown, it's been 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.960 too long. It's probably we're gonna we're gonna do something 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.040 for thirty day, seven weeks, whatever it is. We proved 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.400 our point. It's time to govern at some point. Somebody's 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:30.800 got to do that, or both sides got to do that, 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:32.120 don't they. 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.240 He would think, So go to your job. Everyone else 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.960 has to do their job. I mean they're still collecting paychecks, 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.320 so you know, it's the rule for the but not 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:47.160 for me. And that's just the story of our Congress. 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.480 Where they can do insider training, where they can basically 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:56.480 do whatever they want and not actually have consequences. And yeah, 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:58.280 I mean they need to get to work. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.720 I know that today and all I there a meaning 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.280 about the constitutional convention of all things, which is a 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:07.160 whole political whole different matter entirely, but about getting control 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.480 and our arms back around our government that they work 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:09.960 for us. 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:10.479 Uh. 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:12.440 You know you talk about no kings, but that would 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:14.640 apply to Congress as well based on what you just said. 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.840 Kevin Burton is with Crosstown Consulting. He's a political Anamson 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.720 polster in northern Kentucky. Kevin, thanks to the inside is 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:22.480 always good stuff. 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:24.640 Thank you, Falney. 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:25.240 Appreciate it. 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:27.760 By the way, real quick, what if you're going to 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:30.520 put odds on this thing as a political guy, the 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.520 odds of this thing ending, the shutdown ending by Saturday 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:34.760 is what what would you put money on? 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.600 I would say sixty five seventy percent? 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.520 Okay, so seven out of ten chance that this thing 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:44.000 is done by Saturday, they fix it. 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:49.560 I just think that you know, there's elections, you know, 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.960 in a week from now, so there's real consequences, and 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.000 you know you're gambling with forty two million lives. I 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:58.359 think both sides will blank. 0:17:58.560 --> 0:17:59.240 You just have to. 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.520 Yeah, the opt on that are terrible. Kevin, all the best, 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:05.400 Thanks again, brother, Yeah, appreciate your Let's get a time 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.399 out in we got a news update. Traffic is an 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.239 absolute disaster still in areas. Chuckle, have an update for 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:12.320 you a real time on that one as well, And 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:13.960 it's going to just continue to be wet here for 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:15.680 the next couple of days. Weekend for the little trick 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.440 or treat is looking pretty good though, uh, full details 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.879 in that in news in just about four here, and 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.679 when we return, a case has been made with an 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:30.040 untimely death. As far as talk about bodily autonomy, I'm 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:31.800 going to make the case for being allowed to sell 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.600 your organs. And it has something to do with the 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.480 news happening over the weekend here. Local news for that matter, 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.520 just add slowly seven hundred wlw it so bearing down 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:43.320 a Cat five storm headed right for. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.080 The mainland there and then breaking. 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:47.040 I don't think we're gonna it's gonna go through the US, 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.800 but yeah, that's the price. People go, Oh my god, 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.120 Jamaica and the Caribbean, it's so nice. I would love 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.480 to live here, to be amazing because of weather's so good. 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:57.360 Then you get these events and you know, again there's 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:58.600 a price to pay, even in. 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.560 Paradise so to speak. So to speak our paradise. 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.200 Paying the price of paradise here in Cincinnati involves sitting 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.480 in some bumper to bumper traffic occasionally. I don't know 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.040 a little bit of Ryan shouldn't be doing this, but 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:10.440 it does. 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:11.160 But it does. 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.840 I just have Kevin Burton on Political Analyst and Upholster 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.640 with Crosstown Consulting, and the fifteen percent approval writing Congress 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.119 is approval writing down from twenty six to fifteen percent 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.280 in the last month, coinciding with the government shutdown. That's 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:27.720 completely unnecessary. And what it gets is, I don't know 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:30.280 what the point of this whole thing is. I'm not sure, 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.399 but you feel like, you know, people start not getting 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:40.400 their benefits and people who are getting us a snap, 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.240 which I think that's misconstrued. I still thought some people 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:47.040 think that's this, well, yeah, today we get those welfare 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.879 queens off. Yeah, that models kind of changeable. Most of 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:51.760 the people that are on this are are people who 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.000 have one or more jobs at least they're working the 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:58.520 working port for the example, veterans, seniors. So it's not 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:01.240 who you think it is final arch. It's still a 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.600 sizeable group of people. And to think that because of 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:07.720 this posturing and the gesticulating on part of Congress, the 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.720 in effective of Congress, that people are going to go 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.280 without starting on Saturday. Now, I would think that at 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.680 some point here congressional leadership I both says, said, look, 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.960 you know what, we can settle this thing. We'll kick 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:20.479 the can down the road, as we often do. But 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.399 once people stay cake at their food benefits, it's a 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:28.080 different story entirely. So I feel that real quick. I'm 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:29.879 sure you heard the story if you watch football this weekend, 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:33.760 and obviously you know watching that. I was watching the 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.680 Jets a little bit that Nick Mangold, and you may 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.000 know the name. Nick Mangold is a retired two time 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:42.040 All pro senter from Centerville, Ohio, stepped throwing Dayton Centerville, 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:46.919 and Nick Mangold had forty one died of kidney disease. 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.680 And you go, how is that possible that someone forty 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:54.320 one years old die of kidney disease. I don't know 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.080 the whole story, but it seems to me it highlights 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.480 the problems faced by the what over one hundred thousand 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:04.640 Americans waiting for organ transplants, organ donations. And I look 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.080 at this whole model and go, okay, we've got we 0:21:07.480 --> 0:21:10.560 know that you can live quite well, just fine on 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:15.240 one kidney. Okay, it's yeah, there's some risk involved there. 0:21:15.880 --> 0:21:18.160 Most people go and I'm good with my two kidneys, 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:20.359 But why wouldn't you give up a kidney? We see 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.560 signs alongside the road hell where I live. I saw 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:24.719 there's a bunch of signs out someone else looking for 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:28.199 a kidney. Can you donate a kidney? All blood times welcome, 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:30.399 get your kidneys? Can you give a kidneys? I mean 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.920 stuff from kidney failure in life without kidneys is now 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:39.160 it's not sustainable. And even dialysis is a really really tough, long, painful, 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:43.040 horrible process. But if your kidneys fail, you either got 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:45.040 to get a transplant, which you can get another what 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:48.280 twenty years, Someone like Nick Mangled can die an old 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:51.720 man with a new kidney, a replacement kidney, or you're 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.639 on dialysis for four to five years. You're health of 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:57.000 to tear eate until eventually it die because that is 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:00.680 a descence. Even the machines can't do what the human 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:05.600 kidney can, and we lose. You know, there's like we're 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:07.840 short more than I think forty fifty thousand kidneys a 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:10.159 year in the United States, and that number along I 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:13.200 think forty thousand is that's how many people die. More 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:17.440 that kills more people than die in motor vehicle crashes 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:19.760 in the United States, I believe. To put that number 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.600 to context, and the question is, oh, how do you 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.840 solve this instead of roadsides and the charity and courage 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:28.880 and kindness of others and strangers and the horrible thing 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.639 that Nick Mangol went through and died relatively young. It 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.120 gets back with the shortage is because in nineteen eighty 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.919 four we've passed the law that said it's unlawful for 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:42.280 any person to require receive transfer any human organ for 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:46.679 valuable consideration, meaning money to be used in a transplant. 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:51.440 That you can't sell your organ. You can't sell a kidney. 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:53.760 Now you go a wait a minute, we need more kidneys, 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.439 not less. Hold on just a second, or let's apply 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.159 what is true well to a large degree, although Congress 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:03.520 strikes to change this. The fact that it's a free market. Okay, 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:05.800 you have something that someone else wants, what is the 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.920 price for that good or service or kidney in this case? 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:11.920 And I've said this for a long time, and now 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:16.160 Nick Mangold is dead, and it's a reasonably current story 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:19.520 that the organ markets. If you sold stuff on a 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:23.920 free market, think about the pain and expense of sitting 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:26.480 on dialysis or waiting for a kidney and not knowing. 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:28.440 I think you'd be flushed with kidneys quite us to 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:32.720 a certain point that if you legalize the in this case, 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:36.720 organ markets are kidneys for that matter. You know, first 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.120 of all, it wouldn't be like you're out on eBay 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:42.359 or something like that Facebook marketplace looking for a used kidney. 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:45.119 You know, your healthcare providers would buy this up, just 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:48.919 like they do with any durble medical equipment or medical supply. 0:23:49.000 --> 0:23:51.280 Blood for that matter. You know, you go donate blood. 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:55.000 It costs the Red Cross, it costs hawks worth money 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:59.399 in order for you to donate blood. You go in 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:01.200 and you should because we're always in a blood short 0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:04.359 especially now, and it costs money to transport the blood. 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:10.320 It costs money for the labor supplies, utilities, rent storage alone, refrigeration. 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:11.120 All that stuff or. 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:13.879 Something that's perishable costs a small fortune in the billions 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:17.160 of dollars. And what they do is they would charge 0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:19.160 the hospitals who then mark the blood up and charge 0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:21.359 you in your insurance if you need a blood transfusion. 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.359 Cost money to get blood because it costs the people 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:28.520 getting the blood. Now, am I suggesting you charge people 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.840 for blood? Well, we already are. How is that any 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:34.159 different than we're talking about this way you're eliminating in 0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:37.080 the middle man. You do that with plasma for example, 0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:41.240 I don't understand that. You know, you can't. I can't 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:42.760 make money off of giving you blood. But if I 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:45.920 go down to the plasma center and roll up my sleeve, 0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:48.520 I can donate my platelets and somehow get paid for that. 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.879 That doesn't make any sense to me. And if we 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:52.919 can do that with plasma mode bats and I what 0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:57.960 about your organs? Now you're going, well, that's just just 0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:02.719 something wrong about that, is it really? Because why? Well, 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:06.280 because typically it's going to be poor people that are 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:10.560 going to do this. Okay, so you're exploiting poor people, 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:12.080 like maybe the ones who are talking about people are 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:16.280 on snap. Yeah, yeah, absolutely poor people. Well, the risks 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:18.960 of you know, you can live a perfectly fine life 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:20.840 with one kidney. Plenty of people do. You can live 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:23.480 normal lives and there's some minor risk. There's always risk 0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:25.359 in well, but there's some minor health risks. It's not 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:27.080 like you can't you know, you got to stop drinking 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:29.120 alcohol or andything like, no, you can and the life 0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:32.840 expectancies about that with if you had two kidneys. So 0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:35.000 if you're not paying out a pocket and the LL 0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:37.239 risk is low, what is prevented? Well, yeah, it's just 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:39.480 you know, it's so exploitative though, because it's going to 0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:43.280 be poor people. Well, I mean, we assume minor risks 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:44.840 all the time in exchange for pay. 0:25:45.520 --> 0:25:46.359 Here's a grample for it. 0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:49.680 We're talking about Nick Mangold from Centerville, the two time 0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:51.920 pro bowler who died because he couldn't get a kidney 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:56.160 because a kidney disease. He's an ALFL player, most professional athletes, 0:25:56.320 --> 0:26:00.919 most players in the National Football League come from poor backgrounds. Okay, 0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:04.640 can you make a case and say that Nick Mangold, 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:08.760 every single time he put that helmet on risk his 0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:12.560 life risk serious injuries. We know that in the course 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:15.960 of a career, players in the NFL lose about what 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.359 three years of life with expectancy every season they play 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.320 because of what it does to your body. Look at 0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:25.119 Chris Henry right, the CTE and things like that. So 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:29.160 should we then saying well, you know, this is exploitative 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:32.680 the poor people. Is anyone arguing that poor people should 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:35.159 be banned from playing football or basketball or baseball or 0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:40.800 whatever it is. No, that's not exploitative. They're getting because 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:42.720 of what it does they bring to the table. They're 0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:45.760 getting money, and well have a lot of money in 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:47.800 exchange for that. That's where I think it's not exploitative 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:51.200 at all. So they asked to make something like eighty 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:53.879 thousand lives in the US could be saved by legalizing 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:56.320 the organ markets, particularly kidney mark Kidney's a big one. 0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:59.760 I don't find that exploitative at all. Let's say, I 0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:01.560 don't know if you can get one hundred thousand dollars 0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:03.119 for a kidney. Let's just say one hundred and fifty 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:04.560 thousand dollars for that. I don't know what a kidney 0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:08.879 would go for one hundred thousand dollars. So there's someone 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:11.720 who needs money we're talking about, you know, the snap 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.320 benefit cuts, healthcare and all that stuff. Wouldn't that go 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:17.360 a long way into lifting them out of poverty all 0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:21.720 for the minimal risk of donating your organ It seems 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.560 to me like that the kidney market would benefit poor 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:28.720 people more than it would harm them. I don't think 0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:31.960 that's flawed logic. If I got a fifty grand for kidney, 0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:35.840 and it'd probably be more than that quite honestly. Now 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.440 you've got something you need, which is money. I mean 0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:40.480 we all need money, right, but especially if you're poor. 0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:43.280 You're looking AHw okay healthcare. How am I going to 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:45.800 pay for this? If the snap benefits going, How'm gonna 0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:48.159 pay for this? I could sell it organ? Now it 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:50.480 sounds again, it sounds cruel. It's like, oh my god, 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.800 you had to sell an organ basically see the give 0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.040 up your organ or eat. Yeah, but let's face it, 0:27:56.119 --> 0:28:00.000 that hundred grand you'd probably go to Disney, you'd probably 0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:03.640 better car, probably buy some night clothes, maybe go on vacation. 0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:04.760 I maybe go to the casino. 0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:05.080 I don't know. 0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:08.720 It's your money. And if someone like that. 0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:10.800 Reason believes the risk is worth it, why should the 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:16.959 government force that person to choose otherwise? I mean, you know, 0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:19.320 we don't say, well, you shouldn't get a tattoo, you 0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:21.959 shouldn't get a piercing, you shouldn't cut your hair that well, 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:24.280 you shay, you know that's the nanny stay talking. Well, 0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:28.680 you know it's ungodly. Well again, that's your business and 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:31.320 what you worship or choose not to worship is your business? 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.399 Quit good foisting that on me. What your sense of 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.040 godly morality is is wrapped up in your own thing, 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.160 not mine. And if I look at it, going wow, 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:40.640 that's all well and good. But I think God wants 0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:42.560 me to give up a kidney for one hundred thousand 0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:45.400 dollars part of the prosperity gospel. 0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:46.040 Right, same thing. 0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:49.960 So I just don't see how this argument works out 0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:53.040 that somehow it's exploitative and only poor people. Did I 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:55.680 know a lot about probably middle or upper income people 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:59.640 who go, huh, one hundred grant for a kidney? You know, 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:03.280 has wanted that bigger boat. I was wanted that country 0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:05.760 club membership. I wanted that I'm going to go on 0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:07.600 that trip to Dubai. I've been wanting to go on. 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.720 For one hundred thousand dollars in one less kidney, you're 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.320 helping somebody out, You're sustaining their life. You feel good 0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:15.760 about that, You feel great when that one hundred k 0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.160 hits your bank account. Who the hell loses in this 0:29:18.200 --> 0:29:21.160 whole situation because the way it is right now, you've 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.040 got forty thousand people waiting on the list, and eighty 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:27.040 thousand people essentially dying from this. Nick Mangolds forty one, 0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:30.480 he's leaving behind a wife and some kids. And I 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:32.760 don't know the full details of Nick Mangold and from 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:35.040 the Jets and of Center of the Ohio the football player, 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:38.280 two time Pro bowler, but it certainly made news this weekend, 0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:41.280 like how can someone that young die so quickly from 0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:44.240 diagnot because his kidneys failed that quickly. There's nothing they 0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:46.600 could do for him save a transplant. But you got 0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:47.840 to get on the list. You gotta wait. 0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:50.200 And even then, it's a crapshit that makes no sense 0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.080 to me. It seems to me. 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:53.720 That it's your body parts. If you want to sell 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.600 him off, you should be able to do that. This 0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:59.160 is some busy body government over each crap to protect 0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.280 whom I'm looking at the nineteen eighty four National Organ 0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:05.600 Transplant Act NODA, it shall be unlawful for any person 0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.360 nor only acquire, receiver, or otherwise transfer any human organ 0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:12.720 for valuable consideration for use in human transportation transplantation. If 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:15.480 the transfer affects interstate commerce, why are we regulating that? 0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:18.440 I mean, you know, you shouldn't be doing in a 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.360 back alley or something like that. And unlicensed doctors taking 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.720 your kidney out, like those old internet memes from back 0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:26.520 in the day where I went to Vegas. Next thing, 0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:28.760 I woke up on my bathtub and my kidney was gone, 0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:30.360 Like yeah, that never really happened. 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:31.280 That's just scaring people. 0:30:32.440 --> 0:30:34.960 But doing a clinical setting and I take one hundred 0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:36.680 grad I think about it, going I could help somebody 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:37.480 make one hundred grand. 0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:39.600 I've got a problem with that. 0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.560 I don't know about other bodily organs, but the kidney 0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:45.840 is one you could live quite a healthy life on with. 0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:48.440 Just the one makes a lot of sense to me. 0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:52.520 Why are we fighting this? And it would because it's 0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:56.800 market forces. The more demand there is for a kidney, 0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:00.440 the more money you could gain from donating say kidney 0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:02.600 or selling said kidney, as opposed to waiting for someone 0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:04.400 out of the kindness of their heart to donate it. 0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:06.760 So I mean as well hear the stories and you 0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:08.920 know it makes it happens locally. I had someone on 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:10.720 my show not long ago, same things, save their life 0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:13.240 because they got a kidney. It's a great story, but 0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:16.760 how many, how many thousands of people die who never 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.480 get that kind of attention. It seems so just so 0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.680 hit or miss. Quite honestly, I don't know anyway. It's 0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:25.560 loanly here on seven hundred WLW coming up in about 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:29.040 ten minutes. It's a complete and full news update. Jason Philibaum, 0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:32.320 attorney at law, is here. What to expect from the 0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:39.440 law firm investigating Terry Thiji. So the timeline of courses, 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:42.880 you know, in this this stumbling, bubbling mess that is 0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:46.200 our city government that Cincinnati is now paying forty thousand 0:31:46.200 --> 0:31:52.560 dollars to Frostbontade are really really well respected law firm, 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.840 but they've got forty grand and to the end of 0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:58.320 the year to come up with reason as to why 0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.880 they fired Terry Thichi. So you take someone, you place 0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:05.080 them on paid administrative leave, meaning she's collecting every bit 0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:08.240 of her two hundred thousand dollars plus salary. So the 0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:09.880 taxpayers are foot and full bill for that, and then 0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:12.480 they're footing the forty thousand dollars for this law for 0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:15.040 them to come in and investigate why they fired her 0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.560 in the first place. Normally, you build your case and 0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:19.520 you go, you know what, We're putting you on leave 0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:21.720 until a final determination is May because we have reason 0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:24.440 to believe Terry thg that you're incompetent, you're grossly incompetent. 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:28.200 It could be malfeasans, misfeasans all the feacens is. Who 0:32:28.240 --> 0:32:30.840 knows what it is. But we've had enough of you. 0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:34.880 You're done. Instead, out of the blue, they just go, well, 0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.800 we're gonna put you on paid administrative leave and name 0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:42.040 an interim chief, not a temporary but when you go interim, 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.800 that is the chief who might become the chief or 0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:48.520 maybe the chief between chiefs. But just calling it the 0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:53.680 interim police chief is wrong. If this is a suspension, right, 0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:57.400 wouldn't the adjective you're looking for be like the temporary 0:32:57.480 --> 0:33:01.720 chief or acting chief. There's a difference between acting and interim. 0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:03.800 And they even chose the wrong words. They made a 0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:05.600 I mean, this seems like a hell of a lawsuit 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:07.640 on Terry Thigi's part too. If they do can her 0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:10.360 and that wait a minute, essentially, no, no, we didn't 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:12.280 we suspend. Then why did you use the word interim 0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:17.600 because interim basically means the stop gap between the old 0:33:17.800 --> 0:33:21.120 and the new acting as well. This person is on 0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:24.000 sick leave where they're out or something. Okay, they're acting 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:27.480 until that person gets back. You know when the Reds 0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:29.920 or of the Bengals never do this. But when the 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:35.440 Reds fire manager, it's the interim manager. Okay, we've fired 0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.360 Brown Prices out. Now the interim manager is you're the 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:43.440 bench coach until you get Terry Francona. If David Bell 0:33:43.520 --> 0:33:47.200 would have gotten sick, and that sometimes happens, it'd be 0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:52.600 the acting manager, not the interim manager. So even choosing 0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.040 these words is stupid. It seems like you're setting yourself 0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.880 a ven greater lawsuit. And now you're looking at the 0:33:57.920 --> 0:34:00.560 reasons why you let her go or suspended her. I guess, 0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:02.840 and you're going to pay forty thousand dollars. And now 0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:04.120 they have to the end of the year to come 0:34:04.160 --> 0:34:05.720 up with the reasons why they fired in the first place. 0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:08.799 So it's going to be months later the reasons come 0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:10.960 out as to why she is the wrong person for 0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:14.319 the job and some of the scope of the investigation 0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:16.600 and the questions to be asked according to the inquirer. 0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:18.960 Is she an effective leader and manager of the department, 0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:21.960 including personnel and resources. Is she a leader within the 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.640 context of city government, meaning furthering the broader goals and 0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:28.960 objectives of the city administration. Well, that's easy, and that's 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.320 a stupid question to ask to put in their scope, 0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:35.160 because the broader goals and objectives of the administration are 0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:38.360 simply to put up with crime, not put people in jail, 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:43.080 release them on low bond or no owner cognizance, and 0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:45.600 essentially trust the criminal that they're going to report back 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:48.239 when the When they don't, you just go, well, we'll 0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:49.160 go we'll get them eventually. 0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:49.959 It's no big deal. 0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:53.040 So those are the goals and objectives or the administration 0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:57.520 that Terry will probably lay out. And if that's the case, 0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:00.880 and you are dancing to the piper being have to 0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:04.360 have pureval and shere along, then you absolutely are furthering 0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:07.279 the broader goals and objections to the city administration. Unfortunately, 0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:12.760 when the broader goals and objectives are just drunk ass stupid, 0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.400 as they have been at her aftab and cheer along, 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:21.080 she is the one that winds up drawing the short straw. 0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:24.000 The music ended, and she's without a chair. So she 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:26.000 did what they wanted them to do, wanted her to do. 0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:26.640 And then when they. 0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:29.560 Realized the policies don't work, and it may sound good 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:33.120 in theory and appiece, a whole bunch of community activists. Well, 0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:35.799 then guess what, It's her fault, not mine, And so 0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:38.520 it goes. That is the price you pay when you 0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:43.719 kneel at the altar of politics, as Terry Thigi's learning. Unfortunately, 0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:46.040 because she had a long, great career thirty five years, 0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:49.120 nothing in her jacket, nothing in her file indicates anything 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:51.600 negative or anything seriously negative has been done under thirty 0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:54.680 five years as a cop in Cincinnati. And now after 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:56.640 the fact, we've got to find in thirty five years 0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:58.560 something wrong she's done to bring it to light to 0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:03.040 justify this wholester fire. Jason Philibaum, attorney law, breaks that 0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:04.920 down and tells us just how much more of the 0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:06.920 city's going to be on the hook for meeting you taxpayers, 0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.440 all while AFTEB gets reelected probably just ahead on the 0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:13.400 Home of the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred WWD Cincinnati. 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.880 Now your chance to win one thousand dollars entered this 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:18.720 nationwide keyword on our website. 0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:20.719 Bank that's bank. 0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:23.759 You enter it now, want to an American? 0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:27.400 Thanks for joining Scott's thowing here on seven hundred ww 0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:29.960 and V the iHeartRadio app take is wherever you go 0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:35.680 So the news breaking not long ago that the City 0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:37.839 of Cincinnati is playing a local law firm, Frost Brown 0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:43.000 Todd forty k to investigate police Terry Thigi's performance after 0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:45.439 they fired her. Normally, you investigate the performance, go okay, 0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:49.200 they gotta go. This is completely backwards, and they expect 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.400 the law firm to be finished by the end of 0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:54.279 the year. So it's going to cost us forty grand 0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:56.960 and the city is still shelling out the full salary 0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:59.600 and benefits to Terry Fiji of in excess of two 0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:03.239 hundred thousand dollars. Because of this nonsense, she hired her 0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:07.680 own employment lawyer, Stephen m and he has no intention 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:10.920 of allowing her to resign because she said there's nothing negative. 0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:13.239 Thirty five years on the job to the date when 0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:17.920 she was removed. Thirty five years, nothing significant, nothing minor 0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:22.280 in her jacket, pretty exemplary thirty five year law career 0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:25.640 that she's had. So why now? And also there's some 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:29.319 developing news overnight regarding the scope of the investigation what 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:31.959 the law firm is going to look for. Specifically, joining 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:34.759 the show is attorney Jason Philibaum, who's been on the 0:37:34.800 --> 0:37:35.600 block a few times. 0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:36.800 Jason welcome, how are. 0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:39.799 You good morning, Thank you doing well? 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:43.120 Yeah, this whole thing right away, it just just screams 0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.719 like wrongful dismissal in a sense, because before we get 0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:47.880 into the intricacies of at Jason Phillibom, I look at 0:37:47.880 --> 0:37:49.600 this and go, okay, I've been on the job for 0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:52.400 thirty five years, and on my thirty fifth anniversary, I 0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.920 get noticed that I'm now on paid administratively. If I'm 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:58.160 in Denver, Colorado, I get summoned back from this conference 0:37:58.200 --> 0:38:00.520 to Cincinnati because I'm probably gonna get fired. And she 0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:05.880 wasn't technically fired, she's unpaid leave. And it wasn't because 0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:08.960 of something happened. I mean the Fountain Square issue. It 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:12.400 happened days a couple of days after she left for Denver, 0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:15.160 so nothing new was going on here. And then furthermore, 0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:16.560 they come in and go, okay, we're going to put 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:19.280 you on leave. We're going to name an interim chief. 0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.560 By the way, not a temporary position, but interim generally 0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:27.200 means between the past into the future. If it was 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:30.319 someone let's say that God forbid, she were sick, there 0:38:30.320 --> 0:38:33.080 would be someone temporarily there, right so that would be 0:38:33.120 --> 0:38:36.280 someone who is not an interim chief. There'd be another 0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:40.080 adjective for that, it'd be acting chief. And so they 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.920 even chose the words incorrectly here. If you're not firing, 0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:44.920 she's not fired, then why I have an interim chief? 0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:47.480 Does that not help the legal case against the city 0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:48.680 from Terry Thiji. 0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:51.880 Yeah, I think so. I think this looks like a 0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:54.480 witch hut. It reminds me of this guy that had 0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:56.799 one hundred arrows in the side of his barn and 0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:58.520 he would ask how he did it, and he said, 0:38:58.520 --> 0:38:59.120 it was easy. 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:00.759 I shoot an arrow into the. 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:02.400 Side of the barn and then I go ahead and 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:05.560 paint the bull's eye around it. And you know what 0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:08.120 I think you have here is you have a situation 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:10.759 where you know they they want are gone. I mean 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:14.320 that's clear. And instead of just terminating her and worrying 0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:16.719 about whether they have to pay out a contract or not, 0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:20.600 they then hire a law firm, you know, approximately one 0:39:20.640 --> 0:39:22.560 hundred to one hundred and twenty hours of work to 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:26.640 essentially investigate her. And you know, I can tell you, 0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:29.600 you know, being around the block as you say, you know, 0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:34.200 if you start investigating someone that has thirty five years 0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:37.320 of experience, you know you may not find something illegal, 0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:40.040 But I'm pretty sure you're going to find some policy 0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:43.520 that's been broken that everybody breaks, and then that's going 0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:46.120 to be their linch pin. But it sounds to me 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.040 like there's some issues in Cincinnati and they're using her 0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:49.840 as escapegoat. 0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:51.640 Well, it's not easy to dismissible gig. 0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:53.880 Well, we investigated and we found this in your jacket, 0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:56.359 which should be you know, essentially it's already something that's 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:58.320 known but didn't rise the level of termination. As a 0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.120 matter of fact, the argument from Stephen m would be, well, 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:03.279 not only did you know this because it's part of 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.560 you also promoted her in rank to the chief of police, 0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:09.120 so you're complicit in this whole thing. You're fining her 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:11.920 for something you had no problem that she did at 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.880 the time. You can't that's revisionis you can't do that. 0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:16.560 I mean that that's going to cost the money, is 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:16.799 in't it? 0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:19.319 Yeah? And that's the. 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:23.359 Process I think they're they're going down here that I'm 0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:24.319 not sure is going. 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:26.640 To be wise what they're trying to do. 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:28.560 I mean, they want or gone, Like you said, they 0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:31.920 even use the word interim, So she's gone. She's not 0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:34.880 going to resign and so they're going to want a terminator. 0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:38.200 Now in Ohio, we'ren't at will state, so you can 0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:41.640 terminate someone as long as it's not based on some 0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:43.520 you know, legal reason. 0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:45.160 Race, gender, national origin, et cetera. 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:46.120 But she is. 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:49.919 Probably under a contract. So if that's the case, then 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:53.920 they can only terminate her from that contract for just cause. 0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:56.480 There's got to be a good reason why. And it 0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:59.319 could be policy, you know, some type of policy being 0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.080 broken obvious, so it could be something illegal, or could 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:05.880 just be mismanagement of the you know, the city. So 0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:08.160 those are things that they're going to be looking for. 0:41:08.520 --> 0:41:10.680 And you know, the the issue with that too is 0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.319 you know, we do know that crime is up, and 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:17.520 we know that violent crime is up. But her Herney 0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:19.680 said the other day that she's offered to sit down 0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:22.359 with the mayor and the judges to talk about, you know, 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.399 these these bonds that are being given because that could 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:29.000 be one situation that why crime is up is essentially 0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:32.160 if someone gets arrested for a violent crime and is 0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:34.440 back out on the street, you know, a few days later, 0:41:35.000 --> 0:41:37.040 you know, crime is not going to go away, and 0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:39.600 and it looks like, you know, an election year you're 0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:43.120 now having a situation where the that's let's get rid 0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:45.279 of the police chief, and that's why there's all these 0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:48.960 problems going on in Cincinnati instead of may be you know, leadership. 0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:51.000 I don't think you have to be a political analysis 0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:54.120 supple political mind like like a Willie Conningham, James Carvill 0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.799 or something that right where they for the regular voter, 0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:00.120 for the rank and five or the typical constitution, what 0:42:00.160 --> 0:42:01.680 they see this they see right through. And I think 0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:05.160 every man and woman who doesn't have a jurisd doctorate 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:09.280 is not educated in law like like you are, Jason Pillibaum. 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:11.319 I mean I look at it and go, they're doing 0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:15.360 a dirty. 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:15.680 Yeah, And I think that's what a lot of people 0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.760 are thinking. Now, you know, play Devil's Advocate for a second. 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:21.200 You know, crime is up. We talked about that. Is 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.440 there something she should have been doing that she's not? 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:27.120 I mean, is she not you know, putting the police 0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:31.160 in the right position. Are her subordinates telling her that, 0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:34.239 you know, you should you should put police here, you 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:36.759 should maybe do some kind of burst here, and then 0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:39.880 she just decides she's not doing that, and as a result, 0:42:40.239 --> 0:42:42.640 you have this issue on Fountain Square you have these 0:42:42.640 --> 0:42:43.320 other issues. 0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:46.000 Now that might be a legitimate thing. I mean, and 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:47.319 maybe that's something we don't know. 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.200 Again just playing devil's advocate, But even if you look 0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:55.560 at what her attorney said, is the FOP I think 0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.360 is backing her. So I would think that if her 0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:01.400 subordinates were telling her to do things and she was 0:43:01.480 --> 0:43:04.000 just flat out of ignoring them, I'm not sure that 0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:05.759 they would have that backing that she has. 0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:09.120 Yeah, he is attorney Jason Philibaum, the very latest involving 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:12.120 territory THIJI. Now we're hiring a law from a local 0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:15.000 law from Frost Brown Todd, pretty good firm that they're 0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:16.719 going to do some deep diving and try and find 0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:21.680 out the reasons why they fired her before. Ye as 0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:25.680 you said, you know this is I showed first, asked 0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:28.839 questions later. I guess the Inquirer came out with this 0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:30.960 this morning. The scope of the investigation. This is what 0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:34.719 the lawyers, the team for the city outside council is 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:36.640 going to investigate. And now there are four prongs to 0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.239 this thing. Is she an effective leader and manager of 0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.919 the department, including personnel and resources. Is she a leader 0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:45.000 within the context of city government, meaning does she further 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:47.759 the broader goals and objectives of the administration. Has she 0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:51.160 committed any infraction or positive volition while serving as police chief, 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:53.840 and did she disregard best practices in the running a 0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:56.840 CPD to the detriment of detriment of public safety and 0:43:56.920 --> 0:43:59.239 crime prevention. Well, let's start with the first one. Is 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:02.160 she an effective leader and manager of the department, including 0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:06.479 personnel and resources? That seems like an open ended question, 0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.200 like if there were problems with her management personnel that 0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:13.360 the previous chief notoriously had issues with that when I 0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:17.680 guess it was before Craig notoriously had problems with that too, 0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:19.680 and it was public so but believing or heard of 0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:21.920 that at Chief Thiji, you know, the rank and file 0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:24.160 were really split on it, really didn't care for her 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.600 all that much. But once they did what they did 0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:29.160 to her, they realized they could come next. And now everyone, 0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:32.880 even her detractors, are supporters, so they rallied them. So 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:35.120 to look at this and say is she an effective 0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:37.520 leader or manager? You can say that of any boss, 0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:37.880 can't you? 0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:41.919 Right? Exactly? And I call that fuzzy math. 0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:44.640 You know, that's the law school exam where it depends 0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.480 on who's paying me. That's the answer I give you. Know, 0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:49.520 you're paying me on this one side, I tell you 0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:51.640 why she's an effective leader. If you're paying me on 0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:53.480 the other side, I'll give you all the reasons why 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:57.839 she's not. I mean that's again, I don't think that's 0:44:57.880 --> 0:44:59.719 what this is going to fall down on, because again, 0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:02.480 like you said, that is so vague, it's so fuzzy 0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:05.640 that you know, if they want to decide that she's 0:45:05.680 --> 0:45:08.160 not a good leader, they're gonna they're gonna find reasons 0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:11.439 to justify that, just like if you want to find 0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:14.080 that she's a good leader, you'd find the reasons. So, 0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:16.840 you know, the first two that you mentioned, those prongs 0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:20.520 that those both both are very fuzzy, math fuzzy sort 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:23.560 of law school exams where anyone can answer anything. I 0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:26.200 think the crux is going to be number three, which 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.040 is is there an infraction? 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:30.120 You know, is there something that she did that she 0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:31.560 not follow a policy. 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:35.560 I don't think there's any allegation of criminal wrongdoing, So 0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:39.040 it's going to be something something you know, so minor 0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:42.080 that and that's where she's gonna then get into court 0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:44.480 and say, look, other people have done you know, other 0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.319 people forgot to call in on day that they were 0:45:47.360 --> 0:45:50.160 taken off and they were allowed to stay. But I'm 0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:53.080 getting fired things like that. And then of course number four, 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:56.440 I mean, that's that's I think the one that's a 0:45:56.440 --> 0:45:59.360 little bit more serious. You know, there's a problem in 0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:03.640 Cincinnati with crime. Whose fault is it? Is it the mayors? 0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:06.840 Is that the judges? Is it the police chief? 0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:09.920 You know? Is it society? I mean, what's the problem? 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:12.520 And I think it'd be interesting to see if there's 0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:15.520 something that she should be doing or something like you said, 0:46:15.560 --> 0:46:18.799 best practices that she didn't do. That would be the 0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:22.000 one that would you know, sell me yes or no, 0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:24.680 as opposed to the other three prongs that you know 0:46:24.960 --> 0:46:26.160 they can find out of anybody. 0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:29.239 Now, Jason Philibel, Attorney at Law, Relative to the four 0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:32.279 pillars of this investigation by outside Council for the City 0:46:32.280 --> 0:46:35.160 of Cincinnati to towards Terry Thiji, you mentioned number three, 0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:38.000 is she's committed any infraction policy violation while serving as 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.279 a police chief. If she had and it rose to 0:46:40.280 --> 0:46:43.600 the level of an impeachable offense, wouldn't we have heard that? 0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:45.960 I mean, typically, you know, when someone commits a crime, 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:49.319 let's look at what happened with the NBA recently. What 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:52.279 happened was Cashpttel. The FBI held a press conference, they 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:54.919 had the evidence. They made the charge that Okay, here's 0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:58.160 we're coming at these individuals. We're going after Chauncey Belcher, 0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:00.279 going after other individuals because this is the as. 0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:01.439 We have in this case. 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:03.919 They're going, well, it'd be like them going, yeah, well, 0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:06.440 we're suspending Chauncey pillops, and now we're going to do 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:08.560 an investigation to find out what he did wrong. That's 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:10.799 the problem with this is that if you in any 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:13.120 other case, with due process, and I think it applies 0:47:13.160 --> 0:47:15.520 you to a degree that if you commit an infraction, 0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:18.440 you make those charges allegations, you suspend them all, you 0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:21.480 investigate the scope and the depth, and then eventually you 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:23.960 terminate that person because now you've gathered the evidence. 0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:27.640 This is completely the opposite of that, right, And. 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:29.399 That's why I think a lot of people look at 0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:31.920 this and say that's not fair. You know, you don't 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:36.160 arrest somebody and say, go find me a crime. The 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:38.920 crimes committed, then you arrest them, and then you either 0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:41.960 investigate further or prove or disprove. 0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:42.760 That it happened. 0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:46.600 What's not fair is to essentially take someone out of 0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:49.280 a position and look for something that they did wrong. 0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:51.359 And you know, I. 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:54.719 Would think, you know, if they did something wrong, you 0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:58.279 wouldn't have the city manager talking about what a great 0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:01.239 thirty five years and what a great person this is 0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:03.279 and we wish you the best. I think I think 0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:06.200 that was the statement when they put her on leave, 0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:09.399 is you know, what a great sellar career. If there's 0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:14.120 truly an infraction worthy of dismissal, that's not the statement. 0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:14.520 You put out there. 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:17.799 So that tells me they probably don't know if there's one, 0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:20.080 and they're now looking for one so they can hang 0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:20.719 their hat on it. 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:21.040 Yeah. 0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:23.880 Yeah, our tires at nineteen ninety eight, we're touching a 0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:28.440 handicapped spot. Accidentally, she didn't close the cover before striking 0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:30.360 when she was trying to light a candle some matches, 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:34.200 and she tore the mattress tag offer her ceiling. Those 0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:37.040 don't rise to levels. The reason you get fired because 0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:37.919 everyone does that. 0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:41.319 Right exactly exactly, and that's what they're that's what they're 0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:43.680 looking for now again so they can find it for 0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:49.439 cause now I think again, the legitimate, legitimate, investigation would 0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:52.680 be number four. But again that's not something that I 0:48:52.680 --> 0:48:56.799 would do. Post termination or in this case just suspension. 0:48:57.280 --> 0:49:02.040 Is what is she doing wrong? Why is the city 0:48:59.800 --> 0:49:03.960 you know, and maybe that's a good investigation, you know, 0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:07.600 find to tell me why Cincinnati crime was going up? 0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:11.080 And see if we but to sit there and take 0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:13.719 the police chief out and then do that investigation. 0:49:13.800 --> 0:49:15.799 That seems again putting a little bit of the cart 0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:16.479 before the horse. 0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:18.920 Well it seems like, you know, they're turning under a stone, 0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.520 the stone over, but when they kick the stone, a 0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:22.920 lot of things are going to run. I wonder how 0:49:23.000 --> 0:49:25.160 much of those those bugs come back to bite after 0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:28.040 a pureval Because two and four of this four pillar 0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:32.360 investigation by Brown Frost Todd is she too is is 0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:34.680 she a leader within the context of city government, meaning 0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:37.200 furthering the broader goals and objects of the city administration? 0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:39.400 Number four is did she regard best practices in the 0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:41.719 running of CPD. I don't know if that's just best 0:49:41.760 --> 0:49:45.400 practices by police standards, pot of standards or best practices 0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:48.480 is set forth by number two the administration. Because that's 0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:51.200 the sticky part is when she interviewed for this job 0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:54.040 three years ago, Jason Philabmama was looking at some of 0:49:54.080 --> 0:49:56.680 the interviews she did. She said her biggest priority was 0:49:56.680 --> 0:50:01.720 to continued diversity, equity, and inclusion within the Cincinnati Police Department, 0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:04.239 how to lift people up. And she also had to 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:08.479 get the blessing and interview essentially with Iris Rawley, who 0:50:08.520 --> 0:50:13.080 we've seen in recent time investigated and get herself involved 0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:16.520 between a suspect a subject who was being arrested for 0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:20.400 violating probation and was essentially interfering with the business of 0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:23.440 a police officer. She had an interview with her to 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:25.680 get this job in the first place. So when I 0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:29.120 hear that and then see what's happened with owner cognisance 0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:32.480 people cutting their ankle monitor off and there's no repercussion 0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:35.080 from the court for that essentially doing what they say 0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:37.280 they weren't going to do, literally within minutes of leaving. 0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:38.640 The people who have been jammed up and all this 0:50:38.880 --> 0:50:42.840 high profile violence save maybe the brawl, there's other factors 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:44.720 in there, and how that was handled as a nightmare 0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:46.920 that wasn't on the chief, but everything else was. Like 0:50:46.920 --> 0:50:50.960 people who had violent prior criminal offenses that were precluded 0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:53.439 from having a gun because they're under disability. By law, 0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:57.200 it's not her to set those policies. That's on the mayor. 0:50:57.320 --> 0:50:59.840 So they're doing this investigation. I wonder how much of 0:50:59.880 --> 0:51:02.480 this this is going to come back and implicate have 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:03.799 to apeer, volunteer a loan. 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:07.799 Yeah, I agree, And if you look at I think 0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:10.160 the mayor put out a statement. He put out a 0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:12.800 statement that he had nothing to do with his firing. Again, 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:16.680 I find that to be maybe a little disingenuous, because 0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:19.560 why in the world would a city manager three weeks 0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:23.640 before an election terminate your female police chief without talking 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:26.120 to the mayor. That would be a very dumb move. 0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:28.919 So I would think that there was a discussion ahead 0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:30.960 of time. But like you said, there's a lot of 0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:34.360 factors to consider. You know, is she pushing dei and 0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:36.840 that's why there's not enough police on the street. 0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:39.360 Maybe that's a legitimate decision. 0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:41.320 To you know, talk about whether that's. 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:43.400 The appropriate way to handle policing. 0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:46.480 You know, but recently the city also engaged in a 0:51:46.719 --> 0:51:51.560 federal settlement where they are changing the way they're policing. 0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:54.160 I mean, that's that could be a very real reason 0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:55.080 for why things are. 0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:57.800 Going up, you know, having bonds like you said, someone 0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:00.200 that commits a violent crime and has let out, Hey, 0:52:00.280 --> 0:52:02.480 that's the that's not on the police issue. 0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:04.000 That's not on her Exactly. 0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:06.960 I could see if she's falsifying reports and people aren't 0:52:07.000 --> 0:52:09.800 showing up, and she's backdating payroll. I mean, those are 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:11.440 the things you're definitely going to get you and should 0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:15.160 get you fired. But essentially, the vision by this administration 0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:18.719 is criminals are victims too, has led us to this point. 0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:21.040 That's not on Terry Thiji. That's on the people who 0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:22.000 hire Terry Thiji. 0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:23.800 Exactly. 0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:26.719 As I said at the beginning of this talk, it 0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:29.560 sounds to me like a scapegoat. It sounds to me like, 0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:31.920 you know, we're two weeks out from an election, and 0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:34.000 I've got to tell the people that there's a problem, 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.839 and I fixed the problem. And now, by the way, 0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:38.960 that's hired these really good attorneys to go in there 0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:41.600 and find out what the problem was, and then I 0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:43.959 can match it up and say, hey, did a good job, 0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:47.280 which of course won't come out until after the election. Anyway, 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:49.000 it's going to take two three months to do a 0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:52.719 thorough investigation, whether it's legitimate or whether it's brought up 0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:55.160 after the facts. So I don't think we're going to 0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:57.080 know anything. We'll probably januinely. 0:52:56.760 --> 0:52:58.720 After the election. Of course, that's what this is about 0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:00.720 buying some time for the election. But it really doesn't 0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:03.600 because it makes them looking competent and stupid and not 0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:06.440 the first time either. I would also add this finally, 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:09.560 Jason Philibama, attorney at law, if you're representing, if you're 0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:12.799 on Team Fiji, are your eyes now glazing over with 0:53:12.840 --> 0:53:15.800 the millions and millions of dollars would possibly be getting it? 0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:19.080 Because quite honestly, the way this whole thing was executed, 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:22.120 it's seemingly, in addition to the two hundred K she's making, 0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:24.680 could wind up getting a help of payout to sign 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:27.320 a non disclosure agreement because if she doesn't sign an NDA, 0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:30.560 don't force an NDA, then then she can roll over 0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:34.120 on this administration and really let the go seut and 0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:34.799 they don't want that. 0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:36.359 Yeah. 0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:40.040 Yes, her attorney's firm is well known for suing cities 0:53:40.080 --> 0:53:43.880 and municipalities and going after them and then you know, 0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:47.040 that's been a lot of expensive lawsuits and if they 0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:49.600 if they end up getting, you know, something that they 0:53:49.640 --> 0:53:53.240 can hang their hat on, then you've got attorney fees 0:53:53.600 --> 0:53:55.879 in play, and that's a pretty penny that. 0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:59.280 The Cincinnati have to pay out. So yeah, there's there's 0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:01.080 My guess is there's going to be. 0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:04.239 A settlement some way through the process, because otherwise it's 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:05.720 going to be expensive for somebody. 0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:06.320 Yeah. 0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:06.600 Yeah. 0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:08.960 If the Finny law firm were like the Bengals defense, 0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:12.200 we wouldn't be having conversations about not making the playoffs 0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:14.080 and firing coaches, if you know what I mean, because 0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:17.759 they are tenacious. If anything, he is attorney Jason Phillibaum 0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:20.400 a private practice of course, attorney himself, just kind of 0:54:20.440 --> 0:54:23.319 a different view, a different set of eyes on this 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:25.600 issue right now because it doesn't pass my sniff test, 0:54:25.640 --> 0:54:28.640 and it certainly doesn't pass Jason's either. Jason, all the best, buddy, 0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:29.800 thanks for jumping on this morning. 0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:31.279 I appreciate it. 0:54:31.280 --> 0:54:33.640 Thank you over at Jonas and Philibaum. Thanks again. 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:36.680 Quick time out, we'll get a news update. And the 0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:40.080 controversy that they wish we're kind I hate when like 0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:42.839 we've got enough controversy in the world. What is controversial 0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:44.719 about what's happening at the White House relative to the 0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:49.040 East Wing, Because it feels like people are pushing this 0:54:49.160 --> 0:54:50.920 narrative like we should be all worked up into a 0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:53.319 froth about this, and I just maybe it's just me. 0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:55.560 I don't see it, and I'll tell you why next 0:54:55.560 --> 0:55:04.400 seven hundred WLW. One of the big stories this week 0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:07.399 is the demolition of the East Wing of the White House. 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:12.440 With the government shutdown, with the snap benefits in getting 0:55:12.480 --> 0:55:17.120 cut and FAA and executive orders and effectless Congress and 0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:20.960 our deficit and debt growing exponentially and so much more going, 0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:23.320 does anyone actually give a fly and bleep about the 0:55:23.880 --> 0:55:29.760 East Wing demolition? I mean, you talk about a story 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:33.160 to me that is just I don't know. It feels 0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:36.399 like it's like the no Kings people pressing this entire story. 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:40.560 You see what he's doing, you see I don't know, 0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:45.600 As you know, I have some issues with Trump specifically, 0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:48.200 you know, the executive power, the spending of money we 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:51.520 don't have, the tariffs and where they're going, what's going 0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:52.160 on with healthcare. 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:53.840 There's like a thousand other. 0:55:53.840 --> 0:55:56.880 Questions out ask Trump and question what he's doing and 0:55:56.920 --> 0:56:00.879 the motives behind it. Not so much with the East Wing, 0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:03.480 Like I just legitimally don't care. I know the timing 0:56:03.560 --> 0:56:06.200 sucks with this cutdown and the shutdown and the cuts 0:56:06.200 --> 0:56:06.879 and all the time you get. 0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:07.560 The timing sucks. 0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:09.960 But you know when you sign a construction demo contract 0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:13.000 and you get as you know, after the anchors dried, 0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:14.360 you know, you move forward with the project. 0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:17.239 You don't really have a choice. I carry you. 0:56:17.600 --> 0:56:19.960 There's a lot of things with the executive branch and 0:56:20.000 --> 0:56:23.239 executive power I care about more, much, much more than 0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:28.680 the East Wing. This is not on the radar, but 0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:33.320 I'm fascinated by all the gnashing of teeth and crying 0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:36.560 about it. Is that, Well, what are they upset about? Well, 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:39.440 they're taking this historic part of the it's the people's house. 0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:42.359 It's the people's and they're destroying it. They wiped out 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:45.600 the entirety of the historic East Wing. Is it really 0:56:45.640 --> 0:56:49.600 that historic? Because it was Teddy Roosevelt. 0:56:49.960 --> 0:56:50.839 That built the East Wing. 0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:53.480 It's not exactly going back to Washington, it's not going 0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:57.360 back to seventeen ninety two here now. Granted, has a 0:56:57.360 --> 0:56:58.960 lot of history occurred in there, and they had to 0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:01.680 cut some trees down there after presidents. I get that, 0:57:02.360 --> 0:57:05.840 but is it really like you're destroyed? It didn't like 0:57:05.960 --> 0:57:07.880 take the White House and Clee level of put a 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:12.200 Trump hotel up. Okay, that that would be outrageous, but 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:16.680 the East wing in and of itself put into context, 0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:20.800 here's the silliicity argument. So the White House is about 0:57:20.880 --> 0:57:25.400 fifty five thousand square feet fifty five thousand square feet, which. 0:57:25.200 --> 0:57:26.280 Is like the size of. 0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:30.320 I mean, I was gonna say, like it's smaller than 0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:33.760 a wal Mart for crying out loud. It's six stories, 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.360 there's one hundred and thirty two rooms. There are thirty 0:57:36.360 --> 0:57:38.600 five bathrooms. So if you got a pee, White House 0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:43.000 would be a good place to be. Comparatively speaking, if 0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:50.280 you look at comparable places, I guess in democracy, Buckingham 0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:52.800 Palace comes to mind, grants the palace the King, but 0:57:52.920 --> 0:57:56.919 that is essentially fifteen times larger than the White House. 0:57:57.880 --> 0:58:00.320 Now there is ten Downing Street. Downing Street is where 0:58:00.320 --> 0:58:02.200 the PM is, and that's about thirty eight hundred scriff. 0:58:02.200 --> 0:58:06.600 It's an apartment, basically, it's townhouse. It's about less than 0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:08.840 ten percent the size the White House. But again that's 0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:11.000 the figure out. It's a prime minister, primacy, important job. 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:13.600 But you know it's about royalty, the British throne, so 0:58:13.680 --> 0:58:15.800 bucking and you know, okay, you've got Downing the street, 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:19.919 but you think of that as the center of democracy 0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:22.640 for the government of the UK, for the British government. 0:58:22.680 --> 0:58:24.880 But Buckingham Palace, if you've ever been there, I've toured 0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:26.960 it on the outside anyway, changing the garden all that, 0:58:27.080 --> 0:58:30.160 it's massive. It's fifteen times besize the White House. The 0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:34.120 Rostra Parti of Bevon in India is about two hundred 0:58:34.120 --> 0:58:36.400 thousand square feet. So what's that four times is four 0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:39.680 times is the large of the White House. So comparatively speaking, 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:41.200 the White House is kind of like in the middle. 0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:44.880 It's very mid as far as the size of the 0:58:44.960 --> 0:58:47.560 executive branches of government. But it's hard to compare to 0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:51.400 you know, I don't know the Kremlin. It's hard to 0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:55.800 compare to other forms of government and what their I 0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:58.960 guess their palace would be the version of their White House, 0:58:58.960 --> 0:59:00.800 if you want to call it that. So it's kind 0:59:00.800 --> 0:59:03.320 of hard to compare because you have different types of governments. 0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:06.920 So here the White House kind of like modest size. 0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:09.600 It's like a modest sized building. And okay, I put 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:13.360 this in perspective right because in America, we ft we 0:59:13.440 --> 0:59:17.240 love space, you know, so they'll remodel pay Course stadium. Well, 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:18.960 they gonna they're gonna put smaller seats, and no, they're 0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:20.680 gonna put bigger seats. If you've ever gone to a 0:59:20.720 --> 0:59:23.520 place where I mean it's old, old and they haven't 0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:27.960 updated on anything, you realize so quickly how uncomfortably crowded 0:59:28.000 --> 0:59:30.920 it is because it's built for smaller people. Today we 0:59:31.000 --> 0:59:33.360 get you know, when Teddy Roosevelt puts this thing, then 0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:36.160 the population was much much less and therefore fewer people 0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:39.040 would be gathered to the White House. And so if 0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:41.040 you just look at some and oh, here's what we've 0:59:41.080 --> 0:59:43.200 lost at the East Wing, I'm looking at pictures going 0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:47.400 that place was way overdue to be blown up. Then 0:59:47.400 --> 0:59:51.040 the East Wing had a movie theater, the Presidential theaters there, 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:53.800 and there's pictures. Oh my god, look at this historic 0:59:53.880 --> 0:59:57.720 area that for the last roughly one hundred years. It's 0:59:57.720 --> 1:00:02.080 one hundred years old. The itself is like literally four 1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:04.480 seats across, and then they have like some folding chairs 1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:07.720 in the back. It looks janky as hell. They have 1:00:07.760 --> 1:00:10.800 this image they keep showing Obama is running bow his 1:00:10.880 --> 1:00:13.000 dog at the time when he was a puppy, And 1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:14.960 they have another image there I guess from that would 1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:16.680 be looked like the sixties or seventies where they had 1:00:16.720 --> 1:00:19.360 all these garish looking red Christmas trees up and then 1:00:19.360 --> 1:00:21.280 the main Christmas room mult they call it Christmas tree 1:00:21.320 --> 1:00:21.760 at the end. 1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:22.320 Of the hall. 1:00:22.400 --> 1:00:24.439 But if you'd have walked down the middle of that, 1:00:25.520 --> 1:00:27.840 you'd have to kind of swivel your hips. You'd have 1:00:27.880 --> 1:00:32.560 to kind of do the side by side wall, you know, 1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:34.840 like swing your hips through to not hit the Christmas 1:00:34.880 --> 1:00:36.280 tree on your left and right to get down that 1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:39.040 hall like it's that narrow, like could only be maybe 1:00:39.040 --> 1:00:40.320 twenty twenty five feet across. 1:00:41.600 --> 1:00:43.080 The real problem is hosting an event. 1:00:43.800 --> 1:00:45.560 And I talked to someone who used to work in 1:00:45.600 --> 1:00:49.200 the White House in news and news media and said, yeah, 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:50.959 you know, you don't really see it on TV because 1:00:50.960 --> 1:00:52.280 it all the airs of the White House. You may 1:00:52.280 --> 1:00:53.960 get the tour and everything, but the day to day, 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:56.680 the operational the executive mansion is different than what we're 1:00:56.680 --> 1:00:59.560 talking about where stuff gets done, and it is the 1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:02.520 tour cramped, like there's a room for nothing there. It's 1:01:02.760 --> 1:01:05.240 it's so small and you've got so many people. We've 1:01:05.240 --> 1:01:08.080 added bodies, people have gotten bigger. You've had a more job, 1:01:08.400 --> 1:01:11.400 more titles and jobs and that adds to the bloat 1:01:11.400 --> 1:01:14.160 and size of government. And the White House essentially functionally 1:01:14.200 --> 1:01:17.880 has stayed the same, and so I kind of get 1:01:17.920 --> 1:01:22.280 that that if you add on this this which dwarfs 1:01:22.320 --> 1:01:24.080 the White House, it does look it does make it 1:01:24.080 --> 1:01:26.400 look like a double take. But you know, to have 1:01:26.680 --> 1:01:30.160 a ballroom that size seems about right in a sense 1:01:30.200 --> 1:01:32.400 because you're hosting all of these world leaders and all 1:01:32.400 --> 1:01:34.440 these events, where in the past you could have a 1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:36.800 few of them in there, but largely you had overflow 1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:39.080 and the tents on the outside. It was just it's 1:01:39.120 --> 1:01:41.760 not laid out very well. And so if you have 1:01:41.840 --> 1:01:46.080 a building that's that old and that small, I kind 1:01:46.080 --> 1:01:48.240 of get it, you know. And the other element here 1:01:48.280 --> 1:01:50.680 too is Truman is the one who really brought this 1:01:50.760 --> 1:01:56.520 thing into the twentieth century. It was a huge renovation 1:01:56.560 --> 1:01:59.120 that lasted like four year, made major changes. But even 1:01:59.160 --> 1:02:01.720 since the Truman renovation, because the White House was starting 1:02:01.720 --> 1:02:04.560 to fall apart, you know, Jackie Kennedy put the rosegard 1:02:04.720 --> 1:02:07.880 Trump leveled the rose gardens. But okay, well, what was 1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:10.520 the rose garden before Jackie Kennedy or you know, Gerald 1:02:10.520 --> 1:02:13.480 Ford added a swimming pool? Okay, what was that before 1:02:13.520 --> 1:02:15.240 he had to knock some trees down to do that. 1:02:15.880 --> 1:02:21.000 Nixon converted the swimming pool into the briefing room, so 1:02:21.120 --> 1:02:23.520 he changed that and added a bowling alley. By the way, 1:02:23.520 --> 1:02:24.920 I don't know, I think the bowling always there and 1:02:25.040 --> 1:02:30.120 something else now. So each administration is coming and done 1:02:30.160 --> 1:02:33.680 something sizeably markedly different. Then now this is huge compared 1:02:33.720 --> 1:02:36.960 But if you think about those changes in context, this 1:02:37.040 --> 1:02:39.640 looks about right. Like I can't help but think if 1:02:39.840 --> 1:02:41.800 you know, there's another term of Biden, let's say, or 1:02:41.800 --> 1:02:43.600 come on and they decid, Yeah, you know what, It's 1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:45.680 just it doesn't serve our needs. We need to We 1:02:45.720 --> 1:02:47.720 didn't make this place bigger because we're having a lot 1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:51.080 of state dinners, we're having events that require a lot 1:02:51.120 --> 1:02:53.880 more people there. We need more space. And even in 1:02:53.920 --> 1:02:57.520 our daily lives as Americans, you know, look at how 1:02:57.640 --> 1:03:00.360 the size of the house you grew up in verse 1:03:00.440 --> 1:03:01.920 unless you live on the West Side, doesn't matter. It's 1:03:01.920 --> 1:03:04.800 the same house, but the house you grew up, and 1:03:04.800 --> 1:03:06.400 how much different in your house is today, how much 1:03:06.400 --> 1:03:11.760 more space you have. When I first uh started dating Michelle, 1:03:11.800 --> 1:03:13.479 and I think where I actually married at the time 1:03:14.000 --> 1:03:16.000 she and I grew up in Buffalo, New York, and 1:03:16.120 --> 1:03:18.640 so we were back visiting and like you know, showing around, 1:03:18.720 --> 1:03:20.280 you know, you do that thing you show you grew 1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:22.400 up and stuff like that, and literally the house that 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:24.560 we grew up and I was a kid, like, man, okay, 1:03:24.560 --> 1:03:26.360 this is the house I grew up in. We drove 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:29.200 past it because I knew the address, knew exactly where 1:03:29.200 --> 1:03:32.600 it was, and I drew past it because I didn't 1:03:32.600 --> 1:03:35.480 recognize it. I'm like, wait a minute, hold on, just 1:03:35.520 --> 1:03:37.520 a second. Like my mom, my dad, me and my 1:03:37.560 --> 1:03:41.320 brother and my little brother three three, we lived in 1:03:41.360 --> 1:03:48.440 that house, Like how did we fit in there? In 1:03:48.480 --> 1:03:51.160 the backyard, I remember, it's me a massive, huge backyard. 1:03:51.240 --> 1:03:52.600 It was tiny. 1:03:53.400 --> 1:03:55.760 And so that's true. Right, we move on, we would 1:03:55.760 --> 1:03:58.080 get bigger things. Americans like bigger. We like more space. 1:03:59.280 --> 1:04:00.880 I don't understand how in the play to the East 1:04:00.920 --> 1:04:04.120 Room of the White House, and you know, it's one 1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:06.280 of those things where and I've been critical of Trump, 1:04:07.760 --> 1:04:10.240 but I get critical of things like he can control 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:12.240 and what he told us and what he's not doing, 1:04:12.360 --> 1:04:15.640 and the government getting bigger and being more irresponsible, not 1:04:15.680 --> 1:04:18.080 more responsible, and doing stupid things and missteps and all 1:04:18.080 --> 1:04:21.840 those things. That's all fair, but this apocalyptic coverage of 1:04:21.960 --> 1:04:25.320 the dismissed the we're dismantling them, destroying the White House, 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:27.000 the East wing of the White House. It's the worst 1:04:27.000 --> 1:04:29.560 thing ever. It's a it's just a remodel. It's an 1:04:29.600 --> 1:04:33.280 architectural decision. Like there's many of the things I won't 1:04:33.280 --> 1:04:37.120 worry about more in this administration and in politics in general, 1:04:37.160 --> 1:04:40.840 like the shutdown, and the East Wing doesn't even meet that. 1:04:40.920 --> 1:04:42.440 And I get, you know, it's like, well, we're going 1:04:42.520 --> 1:04:44.400 to make a small change. It turns out next thing, 1:04:44.400 --> 1:04:46.720 you know, two days later, the entire East Wing has gone. 1:04:47.680 --> 1:04:48.920 And I get it. 1:04:49.000 --> 1:04:52.080 The excuse was that while we decided, once we got 1:04:52.080 --> 1:04:54.040 in there, it's just going to be cheaper and easier 1:04:54.280 --> 1:04:55.720 to knock the whole thing down to build this in 1:04:55.760 --> 1:04:59.280 ninety thousand square football room is in addition, okay, and 1:04:59.320 --> 1:05:01.320 I think they probab probably knew that going into it, 1:05:02.400 --> 1:05:06.200 but shows selectively to go, oh yeah, we got in 1:05:06.200 --> 1:05:07.640 there and it was a mess, and they said this 1:05:07.720 --> 1:05:09.360 is the easiest thing to do. So it's too late, 1:05:09.520 --> 1:05:12.160 because you know, if you'd said that weeks prior, someone 1:05:12.200 --> 1:05:13.600 to come in and try to stop you know, somebody 1:05:13.760 --> 1:05:16.280 was Chuck Schumer would have chained himself to the east 1:05:16.280 --> 1:05:19.280 wing to send a message and over my dead body 1:05:19.320 --> 1:05:20.720 are going to do this kind of you know thing. 1:05:20.720 --> 1:05:23.200 We've seen the taper tantrums before, but it's a three 1:05:23.240 --> 1:05:25.400 hundred dollars may face. And the other element, too, is 1:05:26.320 --> 1:05:28.600 the concern that corporations are footing the bill for this, 1:05:30.120 --> 1:05:32.800 and how wrong that is it really, because you know, 1:05:32.880 --> 1:05:37.680 I recall every other administration, republic Democrat, they get stuff 1:05:37.800 --> 1:05:40.840 done by going to their donors and benefactors in order 1:05:41.120 --> 1:05:44.160 to get stuff done. To me, this is a little 1:05:44.200 --> 1:05:46.240 more refreshing and though, okay, how much is this costing? 1:05:46.280 --> 1:05:48.280 Three hundred million dour but we already have two hundred 1:05:48.320 --> 1:05:51.720 million dollars from big companies that want to do business 1:05:51.760 --> 1:05:54.320 with the government. Now, if they get a fat contract 1:05:54.360 --> 1:05:56.360 or something, they certainly there's quid pro crow there and 1:05:56.360 --> 1:05:59.120 it doesn't look good but countless and this is how 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:01.920 things work. Option is how things work in our government, sadly, 1:06:02.040 --> 1:06:03.760 is that you got to pay to play. You got 1:06:03.760 --> 1:06:06.320 to get paid it. Just because you donate I don't know, 1:06:06.400 --> 1:06:08.440 ten or twenty million dollars to this cause doesn't mean 1:06:08.480 --> 1:06:11.920 you're going to get that in return, And most of 1:06:11.920 --> 1:06:13.840 the experts say, yeah, it's kind of an ongoing process. 1:06:13.840 --> 1:06:17.280 Like the big boys continually throw money in, which is 1:06:17.320 --> 1:06:19.800 why they donate to campaign You look at a campaign financing, 1:06:19.840 --> 1:06:22.040 why did they give equal amounts to Democrats and Republicans 1:06:22.160 --> 1:06:23.480 or a little more a little less to the side 1:06:23.520 --> 1:06:25.800 of that side. It's because they got to keep everybody happy. 1:06:25.800 --> 1:06:27.680 They got to streat spreading the fat cash around, so 1:06:27.720 --> 1:06:30.520 they keep everybody happy. This is nothing different. I guess 1:06:30.680 --> 1:06:32.400 the relieving part is like, man, we don't have to 1:06:32.400 --> 1:06:36.200 pay three hundred million. And I would also point out 1:06:36.240 --> 1:06:39.240 too that from those progressives out there that think this 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:41.160 is the worst thing ever and why this is so 1:06:41.280 --> 1:06:44.000 wrong because these companies are paying an office. How often 1:06:44.040 --> 1:06:46.640 do we often we hear about these big companies and 1:06:46.680 --> 1:06:50.320 the CEO of fat cats, the fat cats, how they 1:06:50.320 --> 1:06:52.240 get those money? They don't pay any taxes? How did 1:06:52.280 --> 1:06:54.160 they give it anything back? They're a drain on the system. 1:06:54.200 --> 1:06:55.320 I got to pay tax they don't have. 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:55.920 To pay taxes. 1:06:57.160 --> 1:07:02.120 Okay, well, if you're giving back this money essentially to 1:07:02.200 --> 1:07:04.760 build a white House, that will be there or east 1:07:04.760 --> 1:07:07.920 doing that will be there in the future. Isn't that 1:07:08.040 --> 1:07:10.600 kind of giving back? So is it hypocritical for you 1:07:10.720 --> 1:07:14.080 to talk about the breaks these companies get. These corporations 1:07:14.120 --> 1:07:15.880 get and they get hand out of hand and they 1:07:15.880 --> 1:07:18.680 don't do anything, but they know they're not paying tax 1:07:18.720 --> 1:07:21.280 and not paying their fair share, and they do something 1:07:21.360 --> 1:07:24.960 like this. You're also against that, Like, it's not like 1:07:25.120 --> 1:07:27.080 me and you and a bunch of poor people handing 1:07:27.120 --> 1:07:29.560 money out. It's not like all this three hundred million 1:07:29.680 --> 1:07:31.880 is going to come from the tax revenue that we 1:07:31.920 --> 1:07:35.120 don't have to pay for this. It's being paid for 1:07:35.240 --> 1:07:38.200 by private donations. Now do they want some trying to 1:07:38.320 --> 1:07:40.840 ingratiate themselves with this administration? There's no question about it. 1:07:40.880 --> 1:07:44.080 But it's not like Trump invented this. This has been 1:07:44.080 --> 1:07:47.720 going on since day one and in Congress and in 1:07:47.760 --> 1:07:50.680 the White House. What how is this any different than 1:07:50.720 --> 1:07:52.880 what previous presidents have done? You know, give it to 1:07:52.920 --> 1:07:55.200 my foundation? It's well, okay, if I'm giving to the 1:07:56.440 --> 1:07:59.200 I don't know, the Clinton Foundation or the Obama found 1:07:59.240 --> 1:08:01.320 or the Biden Foundation. Is how am I not getting 1:08:01.360 --> 1:08:02.240 special treatment there? 1:08:03.560 --> 1:08:04.360 Okay? Yes? 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:07.240 And then then when Republicans do it, democrats yell. And 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:09.600 then when Democrats do it. Republicans yell, I get that, 1:08:09.640 --> 1:08:12.240 but you know, to me, it seems like we're winning 1:08:12.280 --> 1:08:15.640 because literally the companies are paying for this, the same 1:08:15.640 --> 1:08:19.240 companies who say don't pay their fair share. Don't understand. 1:08:20.560 --> 1:08:22.320 I'll get a news update in about five here on 1:08:22.360 --> 1:08:25.280 seven hundred, ww whos Scott's Loan Show? And Winter Turn 1:08:25.280 --> 1:08:28.599 eleven oh seven. Here's a conversation that normally I would 1:08:28.600 --> 1:08:31.800 not want to have with this person. Nick Crossley is 1:08:31.840 --> 1:08:36.120 the Hamlin County director for the Emergency Management Association or agency. 1:08:36.160 --> 1:08:37.759 I guess it would be here in Hamlin County. 1:08:38.680 --> 1:08:38.800 Uh. 1:08:39.000 --> 1:08:41.439 Normally, if I have Nick Crossley on, it's because all 1:08:41.479 --> 1:08:43.800 halls breaking losts we have a flood, we have tornadoes, 1:08:44.640 --> 1:08:46.519 have an earthquake, we have a forest fire. I don't 1:08:46.520 --> 1:08:48.280 know if we have a forest fire maybe the mount 1:08:48.320 --> 1:08:50.519 Airy Forest, I don't know. But nonetheless, he is the 1:08:50.520 --> 1:08:54.599 guy who heads up our emergency management agency. Don't want 1:08:54.640 --> 1:08:56.360 to have Nick Crossley on the radio because I mean, 1:08:56.400 --> 1:08:58.400 stuff's going down, if you know what I mean. This 1:08:58.479 --> 1:09:00.600 time I did, though he's in DC and here's how 1:09:00.720 --> 1:09:03.439 jacked up FEMA is. Speaking of things we should pay 1:09:03.439 --> 1:09:04.960 attention to, not so much the East Wing of the 1:09:05.000 --> 1:09:05.439 White House. 1:09:06.040 --> 1:09:07.320 Did you know this that. 1:09:10.640 --> 1:09:15.519 A lot of areas of the country who have to 1:09:15.720 --> 1:09:18.200 get FEMA money. Now we've got some from flooding and 1:09:18.240 --> 1:09:20.439 stuff like that, but they're like, I think like a 1:09:20.479 --> 1:09:22.120 third I got the numbers here in the second or there. 1:09:22.160 --> 1:09:24.599 I think it's almost like a third of the counties 1:09:24.640 --> 1:09:26.920 in the United States something like that get a billion 1:09:26.960 --> 1:09:29.160 dollars or more in FEMA relief last year or the 1:09:29.200 --> 1:09:31.320 last couple of years. Goes to show you just how 1:09:31.600 --> 1:09:33.759 many problems we have when it comes to natural disasters 1:09:33.760 --> 1:09:35.479 and the like that we need the money for that. 1:09:35.640 --> 1:09:37.800 A lot of these communities, and this would be Hammelin County, 1:09:37.840 --> 1:09:42.080 Butler County, Warren County, and Campbell and Canon Counties for 1:09:42.160 --> 1:09:43.800 that matter, of Switzerland County. 1:09:43.720 --> 1:09:46.000 That if you had natural disaster, you'd actually. 1:09:45.800 --> 1:09:51.320 Have to go borrow money, borrow the money to foot 1:09:51.360 --> 1:09:53.800 the bill for the for the emergency relief from FEMA 1:09:53.880 --> 1:09:55.840 until the FEMA check comes in, and then you pay 1:09:55.840 --> 1:09:59.800 the bank back with interest. So wait a minute, double hit, 1:10:00.000 --> 1:10:01.439 I gotta pay interest in the marrio at Bauer. 1:10:01.560 --> 1:10:02.680 I thought FEMA was there for that. 1:10:02.840 --> 1:10:04.760 They're looking to reform the whole system as the point, 1:10:05.120 --> 1:10:07.439 and he's in d C four that's important. It's one 1:10:07.439 --> 1:10:10.080 of those things where like I don't really care, well, 1:10:10.120 --> 1:10:12.439 you know what, if it hit the fan, then you'd care. 1:10:12.920 --> 1:10:15.360 And now's the time. And we talked about government being 1:10:15.400 --> 1:10:18.519 reactive not proactive. Fortunately, people like Nick and the other 1:10:18.560 --> 1:10:21.040 people that are on this task force going to d C. 1:10:21.120 --> 1:10:23.240 And he's in DC right now. As he will tell you, 1:10:23.280 --> 1:10:25.280 this is important. We got to do this now because 1:10:25.320 --> 1:10:27.120 FEMA is really screwed up. We got to make the 1:10:27.120 --> 1:10:31.400 process easier, not harder, if and when a natural disaster 1:10:31.479 --> 1:10:33.519 hits our area here in southwest Ohio. He is next 1:10:33.520 --> 1:10:35.160 on the show right after News on the Home of 1:10:35.160 --> 1:10:37.880 the best boundals coverage seven hundred WWT since then towards 1:10:37.920 --> 1:10:38.320 the US. 1:10:39.000 --> 1:10:40.439 If you look at it, go back. 1:10:40.840 --> 1:10:42.800 In the year that we have all the numbers, and 1:10:42.840 --> 1:10:45.599 on twenty twenty three, about a third of all US counties, 1:10:45.640 --> 1:10:48.799 a third of US counties experience at least one federally 1:10:48.800 --> 1:10:52.440 declared disaster exceeding a billion dollars in damage. That is incredible. 1:10:52.439 --> 1:10:54.840 Think about that, a third of all counties in the 1:10:54.920 --> 1:10:55.920 United States of America. 1:10:56.040 --> 1:10:56.479 Every year. 1:10:57.200 --> 1:11:01.000 We're pretty lucky here in Southwest Ohio, Indiana can. But 1:11:01.240 --> 1:11:03.400 if and when we need help, there's horror stories about 1:11:03.400 --> 1:11:06.080 the process of getting relief from FEMA. Nick Crossley is 1:11:06.080 --> 1:11:08.559 the Hamlin County Director of Emergency Management. He is in 1:11:08.640 --> 1:11:10.720 DC right now part of a task force meeting with 1:11:10.760 --> 1:11:13.360 federal leaders about disaster reformed. 1:11:13.400 --> 1:11:13.559 Nick. 1:11:13.560 --> 1:11:16.400 Welcome, how are you. Oh, I'm doing great. 1:11:16.439 --> 1:11:17.040 I'm doing great. 1:11:17.080 --> 1:11:17.559 Good morning. 1:11:17.600 --> 1:11:19.519 All right, on this topic, this may be the one 1:11:19.640 --> 1:11:22.719 time where I would like to talk to you. Typically 1:11:22.800 --> 1:11:24.439 in the course of your job as the head of 1:11:24.520 --> 1:11:27.960 the emergency management of Hamlin County, I would not want 1:11:27.960 --> 1:11:30.240 to talk to you. So if I have to talk 1:11:30.280 --> 1:11:32.559 to Nick Crossley, We've got problems, you know what I'm saying. 1:11:33.640 --> 1:11:34.240 I do, I do. 1:11:35.360 --> 1:11:36.439 Wait, We're pretty lucky. 1:11:36.520 --> 1:11:38.800 I mean, you know, the weather's pretty temperate here is 1:11:38.880 --> 1:11:42.960 save maybe some tornadoes, I suppose, earthquake, But as far 1:11:43.000 --> 1:11:45.000 as the rest of America goes, we don't have to 1:11:45.000 --> 1:11:47.479 worry about fires and hurricanes and stuff like that. 1:11:47.479 --> 1:11:51.840 We're pretty good, well, we do, although we do have 1:11:52.160 --> 1:11:54.640 what are called Duratio events, which are high land you know, 1:11:54.680 --> 1:11:58.000 several years ago, around eight it caused the power outage 1:11:58.040 --> 1:12:01.080 of over one hundred thousand people. Remember that we have 1:12:01.200 --> 1:12:04.799 the river flood. It flooded just this last March, caused 1:12:05.280 --> 1:12:07.519 several hundred thousand dollars worth of damage along the river. 1:12:08.720 --> 1:12:10.879 And then of course we're starting to have more higher 1:12:11.040 --> 1:12:13.960 impact snow events and then of course extreme heat. So 1:12:14.000 --> 1:12:17.160 it's pretty much it's pretty much year round for Hamilton County. 1:12:17.360 --> 1:12:19.920 But comparatively with those third of counties think it a 1:12:19.920 --> 1:12:22.160 billion dollars in damage, We're not anywhere near that amount, 1:12:22.200 --> 1:12:25.920 thank god. What is the doomsday scenario that you prepare for? 1:12:26.720 --> 1:12:29.320 You know, maybe flooding, extensive flooding. I suppose a big 1:12:29.360 --> 1:12:32.160 wind event, but that's kind of temporary blizzard And okay, 1:12:32.160 --> 1:12:34.240 we might get a blizzard as we did back in 1:12:34.280 --> 1:12:36.559 the eighties. But what's the one thing You're like, Wow, 1:12:36.560 --> 1:12:38.559 if this hits, we're in trouble. What would it be? 1:12:39.560 --> 1:12:41.360 I think the biggest thing is similar to what happened 1:12:41.360 --> 1:12:43.400 in Montgomery County a couple of years ago on Mother's Day, 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:46.240 which would be that large scale, multi vortex, multi county 1:12:46.280 --> 1:12:49.879 tornado that would come through. Because of our population density, 1:12:50.920 --> 1:12:55.960 you're we're pretty much completely developed in Hamilton County almost, 1:12:56.479 --> 1:12:59.040 and so if anything like that happened in Hamilton County, 1:12:59.040 --> 1:13:04.000 we would have incredible both initial the initial response would 1:13:04.000 --> 1:13:07.559 be intense with trying to help rescue people, and then 1:13:07.600 --> 1:13:10.639 of course the short term stabilization if we have Friday 1:13:10.640 --> 1:13:13.240 Ay temporary housing, and then a court long term recovery, 1:13:13.880 --> 1:13:16.519 which would be one of the most challenging things. And 1:13:16.600 --> 1:13:19.280 long term, both short and long term recovery is where 1:13:19.320 --> 1:13:23.160 working with our state and federal partners comes really into 1:13:23.160 --> 1:13:27.000 play to ensure that we have a system nationally that 1:13:27.040 --> 1:13:28.879 can assist the county in its recovery. 1:13:28.960 --> 1:13:31.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was thinking as you're talking there, Nick, 1:13:31.200 --> 1:13:33.800 the seventy four Xenia tornadoes. Some people like a xenio 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:37.479 iiO flattened to decimated, but there are several touching down 1:13:37.479 --> 1:13:40.280 in and around cbg SO and much less populated than 1:13:40.320 --> 1:13:42.800 seventy four than it is today. But imagine having those 1:13:42.880 --> 1:13:45.760 kind of tornadoes in Hamblin County. The results would be 1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:48.920 absolutely mind boggling as far as the death and devastation go. Nick, 1:13:49.000 --> 1:13:51.120 You're in DC right now with this task force and 1:13:51.360 --> 1:13:53.800 it's the reform or an introduced I guess reform, but 1:13:54.040 --> 1:13:54.880 it's the FEMA Act. 1:13:54.880 --> 1:13:55.280 What is that? 1:13:55.280 --> 1:13:55.720 What's that do. 1:13:57.120 --> 1:14:01.759 So the FEMA Act is really attempt to work with Congress, 1:14:01.760 --> 1:14:05.400 and it is they're looking for a companion bill in 1:14:05.439 --> 1:14:08.519 the Senate, but so it has passed the House committee. 1:14:09.120 --> 1:14:12.320 It's an attempt to fix the system, reform the system, 1:14:12.520 --> 1:14:15.840 not do away with the system, both including FEMA and 1:14:15.880 --> 1:14:18.679 the system as a whole. And so what it would 1:14:18.760 --> 1:14:24.639 do is, oftentimes counties post disaster have to find the money, 1:14:24.680 --> 1:14:29.360 borrow the money, front the money to pay for disaster 1:14:29.400 --> 1:14:32.559 recovery and then eventually, within months or years, you finally 1:14:32.600 --> 1:14:34.720 get reimbursed by the federal government if you get a 1:14:34.760 --> 1:14:38.720 federal declaration. And so what this would do is it 1:14:38.720 --> 1:14:41.200 would turn it more into a Once you create the 1:14:41.320 --> 1:14:43.280 estimate of what it's going to cost the recovery, FEMA 1:14:43.360 --> 1:14:48.560 would provide grants immediately, so that because every government struggles 1:14:48.760 --> 1:14:51.320 depending on I mean you're talking hundreds of millions of 1:14:51.320 --> 1:14:54.080 dollars that the government would have to find to pay 1:14:54.120 --> 1:14:57.360 for these projects upfront. So it would reform that process. 1:14:57.840 --> 1:15:00.719 It would also for survivors of disag or is create 1:15:00.840 --> 1:15:04.680 one application for all There's dozens of programs available to 1:15:04.720 --> 1:15:08.160 people post disaster, So this would create one application that 1:15:08.160 --> 1:15:10.839 would go to all the agencies and the other entities 1:15:10.880 --> 1:15:12.720 that assist so that they don't have to go to 1:15:12.840 --> 1:15:16.720 multiple websites or multiple phone calls. Another thing that it 1:15:16.760 --> 1:15:19.760 does is it provides a loan interest payment release, so 1:15:19.840 --> 1:15:21.800 if the government does have to take out a loan, 1:15:22.240 --> 1:15:24.360 that you can claim that interest as part of the 1:15:24.439 --> 1:15:29.920 reimbursement from the federal government. And then finally it works 1:15:29.920 --> 1:15:32.880 with FEMA to create a public facing dashboard. So this 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:36.479 is the accountability piece, the transparency piece, so that people 1:15:36.479 --> 1:15:39.599 can see where the funding is going, what their government 1:15:39.640 --> 1:15:41.640 is receiving, and what their government is spending and on. 1:15:41.720 --> 1:15:46.280 So that's really really important with public assistance. 1:15:46.960 --> 1:15:50.400 Yeah, and you're advocating for universal disaster application, that makes sense. 1:15:50.400 --> 1:15:52.120 You should be a portal. You go in, you fill 1:15:52.160 --> 1:15:54.040 it out, and all the agencies go to there to 1:15:54.040 --> 1:15:56.479 get the information they need. The fact that you have 1:15:56.520 --> 1:15:59.200 to go to each individual agency for aid is at 1:15:59.240 --> 1:16:00.839 this day and age is insane. 1:16:02.560 --> 1:16:05.880 Correct with with the advent of speaking candidly with AI 1:16:06.000 --> 1:16:09.559 and other things that can analyze data and really help 1:16:09.600 --> 1:16:12.800 you walk through which programs you're eligible for, whether it's 1:16:12.840 --> 1:16:17.599 a loan or it's a grant, that's critical to residents, 1:16:17.680 --> 1:16:21.000 and and and our our citizens are already stressed out 1:16:21.160 --> 1:16:23.840 from having their property damage or maybe that maybe they've 1:16:23.840 --> 1:16:26.839 gotten hurt or family members have died in the disaster. 1:16:27.320 --> 1:16:29.519 So this is one way that the federal government can 1:16:29.560 --> 1:16:32.880 assist with relieving that stress and trying to help our 1:16:32.960 --> 1:16:33.759 residents recover. 1:16:34.840 --> 1:16:37.040 Does this suggest the fact that we've got to reform this? 1:16:37.160 --> 1:16:40.599 Nick Rossley, that counties don't know where their applications stand 1:16:40.640 --> 1:16:42.200 in the whole process right now, are you just like 1:16:42.320 --> 1:16:43.200 kind of left in the dark. 1:16:43.800 --> 1:16:46.240 It's it's a it's a tedious process to be to 1:16:46.280 --> 1:16:48.920 be candid, and it always has been. And I don't 1:16:48.960 --> 1:16:52.439 know that that's if anybody's fault per se, because you know, 1:16:52.520 --> 1:16:56.160 you have to have accountability while you're asking for these funds. 1:16:56.600 --> 1:16:58.360 But I think one of the key things to point 1:16:58.439 --> 1:17:03.519 out is that federal declarations are the are the are 1:17:03.560 --> 1:17:06.080 the one percent, if you will, of declarations send it 1:17:06.120 --> 1:17:10.040 out across the country. Most disasters in the US never 1:17:10.200 --> 1:17:14.160 qualify for state or federal assistance. And so when you're 1:17:14.200 --> 1:17:15.840 when you're talking about this kind of event, this is 1:17:15.880 --> 1:17:18.479 the extreme. This is the Montgomery tornado on Mother's Day 1:17:18.479 --> 1:17:21.719 a few years ago, This is the both Montgomery County 1:17:21.800 --> 1:17:23.120 a few years ago on Mother's Day and then of 1:17:23.160 --> 1:17:25.559 course the city of Montgomery Tornado a few years several 1:17:25.640 --> 1:17:26.080 years ago. 1:17:26.840 --> 1:17:28.920 What a couple of I think. 1:17:28.760 --> 1:17:31.599 You yeah, nine nine, you're right. And so these are 1:17:31.680 --> 1:17:35.360 that level of disasters. So you have both extreme impacts 1:17:35.360 --> 1:17:37.479 to your residents and your citizens, and you have extreme 1:17:37.520 --> 1:17:40.840 impacts to the local governments. And a major disaster can 1:17:40.880 --> 1:17:44.599 cripple a local government. And so this is an attempt 1:17:44.640 --> 1:17:48.200 to work with Congress on a reform process because there 1:17:48.360 --> 1:17:51.479 is a role for the federal government in helping our 1:17:51.520 --> 1:17:54.680 communities recover from disasters. I mean, as you know, these 1:17:54.720 --> 1:17:58.719 are our tax dollars that we're using to help communities recover. 1:17:58.880 --> 1:18:01.680 And and and in my belief this is this is 1:18:01.680 --> 1:18:04.320 why one of them we formed a union, you know, 1:18:04.320 --> 1:18:06.760 two hundred and fifty years ago for many reasons. One 1:18:06.760 --> 1:18:09.680 of them was in bad times as well as good 1:18:10.360 --> 1:18:13.519 And this is why this declaration process is critical. And 1:18:14.400 --> 1:18:19.280 a FEMA is really critical to the country's resilience. 1:18:19.720 --> 1:18:21.960 Does this and FEMA is one thing, but what about 1:18:22.000 --> 1:18:24.439 mutual aid? Does that impact that at all? 1:18:25.800 --> 1:18:28.200 It's it's not really impacting this. So mutual aid is 1:18:28.240 --> 1:18:30.559 that initial response I was talking about, and that's where 1:18:30.560 --> 1:18:33.240 we all come together, our forty nine communities, in our 1:18:33.280 --> 1:18:36.920 in our local neighboring counties, and also the states that 1:18:36.960 --> 1:18:40.200 if we need that immediate response, that mutual aid is 1:18:40.960 --> 1:18:44.519 virtually automatic to make sure that we can rescue people 1:18:44.600 --> 1:18:47.120 and get them out of harm's way. This is more 1:18:47.160 --> 1:18:49.200 looking at the short and long term recovery, so that 1:18:49.360 --> 1:18:54.080 so that communities and our residents can recover hopefully as 1:18:54.120 --> 1:18:55.160 quickly as possible. 1:18:55.640 --> 1:18:59.120 Nick Crosley's the Hamlin County Director of Emergency Management Director 1:18:59.160 --> 1:19:01.120 Emergency mand for him. Counties in DC part of the 1:19:01.200 --> 1:19:05.840 task force to try and reform FEMA because third of 1:19:05.880 --> 1:19:08.360 all US counties have experienced this is twenty twenty three, 1:19:08.439 --> 1:19:10.759 one third of all counties in the United States experienced 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:14.719 at least one federally declared disaster that exceeded a billion 1:19:14.800 --> 1:19:17.920 dollars in damage. To put that in perspective in today's dollars, 1:19:18.000 --> 1:19:21.559 the Xenia tornadoes from seventy four would be well over 1:19:21.760 --> 1:19:24.800 one point five billion dollars today in today's dollars. To 1:19:24.840 --> 1:19:26.479 show you the scope of this thing, and that's happening 1:19:26.520 --> 1:19:29.120 in a third of all counties, which is mind boggling itself, 1:19:29.120 --> 1:19:32.040 and it sounds like based on a whole bunch of factors, 1:19:33.040 --> 1:19:35.960 weather change included that these things are getting more frequent 1:19:36.040 --> 1:19:36.679 and more intense. 1:19:38.640 --> 1:19:42.040 Oh definitely, And I think again also the density of 1:19:42.040 --> 1:19:47.200 Hamilton County today versus the Montgomery twenty ninety nine versus 1:19:47.760 --> 1:19:51.519 other disasters that we've had, everything is impounded. And then 1:19:51.560 --> 1:19:54.559 of course in today's world, with the cost of goods 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:56.479 and other things going up, in the cost of flavor, 1:19:57.000 --> 1:20:00.519 it's even more increased. And so it's critical that we 1:20:00.600 --> 1:20:04.599 share this recovery process with our federal and state partners. 1:20:04.760 --> 1:20:07.400 Well, Nick, you're calling for this reform right now, but 1:20:07.560 --> 1:20:11.160 disaster damages are closing in on two hundred billion dollars right 1:20:11.160 --> 1:20:13.120 now and that number continues to climb for the reasons 1:20:13.160 --> 1:20:15.400 we talked about. Is FEMA even equipped to handle all this? 1:20:17.200 --> 1:20:19.080 Oh, I definitely thin because when you think FEMA, you 1:20:19.080 --> 1:20:20.920 think of the entire federal government. It's the same thing 1:20:20.960 --> 1:20:24.559 with the county has an Emergency Management Agency, but that's 1:20:24.840 --> 1:20:29.160 that's ten people the county. The agency works with all 1:20:29.240 --> 1:20:31.840 of the other agencies and departments in county government and 1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:34.559 state to respond to a disaster. It's the same thing 1:20:34.560 --> 1:20:37.360 with FEMA. So FEMA has X amount of staff, X 1:20:37.360 --> 1:20:40.200 amount of programs, but it works with the entire federal 1:20:40.240 --> 1:20:44.200 infrastructure and then of course with Congress to allocate the funds. 1:20:43.720 --> 1:20:47.519 So I think they're more than capable of it. I 1:20:47.560 --> 1:20:50.680 think that it is definitely time for some when we've 1:20:50.720 --> 1:20:53.280 been calling these for these reforms for many, many years, 1:20:53.720 --> 1:20:56.519 that we have an opportunity here with the Fixing FEMA, 1:20:57.280 --> 1:21:00.639 Fixing Emergency Management for Americans Act, the FEMA Act, that 1:21:01.040 --> 1:21:03.800 to make these changes and make the process more streamlining, 1:21:03.800 --> 1:21:05.840 more helpful to at the end of the day, the 1:21:05.840 --> 1:21:09.560 local residents and governments of the United States. 1:21:09.439 --> 1:21:11.160 In the reality is we just said, I think it 1:21:11.200 --> 1:21:14.040 was Michigan and Wisconsin I believe that had their FEMA 1:21:14.080 --> 1:21:18.160 disaster claims denied long after the event occurred. And is 1:21:18.200 --> 1:21:20.160 that because of the reform we want here? Is that 1:21:20.200 --> 1:21:20.559 part of it? 1:21:22.560 --> 1:21:26.799 So you know they if you're talking about the recent denials, 1:21:26.960 --> 1:21:31.000 I mean, so it's either one of two things. It's 1:21:31.080 --> 1:21:34.559 usually because the the you have to reach a certain level, 1:21:34.760 --> 1:21:36.559 so there's a dollar amount you have to reach and 1:21:36.680 --> 1:21:40.000 damage and affects the citizens residents, and if you don't 1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:42.240 hit that, then you don't qualify for the federal decoration. 1:21:42.360 --> 1:21:47.400 Which is why most disasters are not assisted by FEMA. 1:21:48.120 --> 1:21:50.879 They don't they don't receive federal dollars for the recovery. 1:21:51.439 --> 1:21:53.280 For example, the flood we had in March did not 1:21:53.439 --> 1:21:57.360 did not reach the level of federal assistance. But I 1:21:57.400 --> 1:22:00.880 think that here recently there has been and more of 1:22:00.920 --> 1:22:04.160 a push to push that responsibility down to the local government. 1:22:04.600 --> 1:22:09.240 And obviously that's debatable whether or not whether or not 1:22:09.280 --> 1:22:11.840 they should do that, but but I think again there's 1:22:11.880 --> 1:22:14.840 a role that if we meet the statutory requirements to 1:22:14.880 --> 1:22:18.400 receive a federal decoration, that we should states should receive 1:22:18.439 --> 1:22:19.360 that federal declaration. 1:22:20.240 --> 1:22:22.960 Nick Crosley, head of the Hamlet County EMA here, is 1:22:23.000 --> 1:22:27.000 in d C lobbying the federal government to approve the 1:22:27.080 --> 1:22:30.240 FEMA Act FEMA Reform Act, that is going to streamline 1:22:30.280 --> 1:22:32.439 the process here to make it easier and quicker to 1:22:32.479 --> 1:22:35.200 get relief from damages when indeed, we have a natural disaster, 1:22:35.280 --> 1:22:37.200 and that could be here in Hamlin County, tornado, flood, 1:22:37.800 --> 1:22:40.040 possibly an earthquake, who knows we're near a fault line 1:22:40.040 --> 1:22:42.800 at any of that could possibly happen. But you're doing 1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:44.479 this the same time the government shut down? 1:22:44.680 --> 1:22:45.000 Does that? 1:22:45.960 --> 1:22:47.040 How do those two things work? 1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:48.679 Well? 1:22:48.760 --> 1:22:51.599 So you know, while the members are not in session, 1:22:51.960 --> 1:22:57.040 they are on the hill, and so I have meetings 1:22:57.040 --> 1:23:01.479 set up with Senator Marino's office and centat Houston's office, 1:23:01.520 --> 1:23:04.840 and we'll be stopping by and chatting with them about 1:23:04.880 --> 1:23:09.679 the the FEMA Formact. So they're all still here working 1:23:10.280 --> 1:23:12.679 and so we just wanted to have that conversation while. 1:23:12.520 --> 1:23:12.960 We were here. 1:23:13.080 --> 1:23:16.760 Yeah, and we've had criticism about FEMA's response times in bureaucracy. 1:23:16.800 --> 1:23:19.360 And that's one thing for a government to Hamlin County, 1:23:19.600 --> 1:23:22.240 City of Cincinnati, State of Ohio. But when it's me, 1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:26.719 it's my house, my domicile and it's damaged that that's 1:23:26.760 --> 1:23:30.479 the taxpayer right. And again I'll have these agencies looking 1:23:30.520 --> 1:23:32.280 out for you. But that's that's a concern. It's the 1:23:32.280 --> 1:23:35.679 big bottleneck. Have you experiencing things personally in the course 1:23:35.720 --> 1:23:36.400 of doing your job. 1:23:37.920 --> 1:23:41.519 I have seen it as part of my job. I 1:23:41.520 --> 1:23:43.080 have not personally had you. 1:23:43.040 --> 1:23:45.280 Know, my home damage right right right by. 1:23:45.160 --> 1:23:48.639 A major disaster. But I've through my career, I've worked 1:23:48.680 --> 1:23:51.320 in from Kansas to California, too. I've been here in 1:23:51.400 --> 1:23:54.680 Hamilton County for ten years. I've seen the impact of 1:23:54.720 --> 1:23:58.800 the slow response and slow recovery and the bureaucracy, and 1:23:58.840 --> 1:24:02.160 so I think we're trying to feed that up with 1:24:02.160 --> 1:24:06.120 with accountabilities built in so that funds are used correctly. 1:24:06.600 --> 1:24:09.439 And I think again, the whole folks of this entire 1:24:09.560 --> 1:24:12.439 thing is so that residents can recover faster. 1:24:13.439 --> 1:24:15.400 The other element of this is shocked me, Nick, is 1:24:15.439 --> 1:24:18.120 that there's a provision in here for a loan interest 1:24:18.160 --> 1:24:22.120 payment payment really from our counties currently have to take 1:24:22.120 --> 1:24:24.320 out loans to cover disaster costs, will waiting for FEMA 1:24:24.360 --> 1:24:26.160 money and then have to taxpayers have to foot the 1:24:26.160 --> 1:24:26.800 bill of the interest. 1:24:27.200 --> 1:24:27.880 Is that a thing? 1:24:28.160 --> 1:24:31.240 Yes, so yes, So again, when you're talking these billion 1:24:31.280 --> 1:24:34.280 dollar damages, these billion dollar disasters. 1:24:34.200 --> 1:24:34.599 Then. 1:24:36.080 --> 1:24:38.360 In some cases counties have had to take out loans 1:24:38.880 --> 1:24:40.840 in order to because you have to you have to 1:24:40.840 --> 1:24:42.800 get moving right, so to speak. You've got to recover 1:24:42.880 --> 1:24:46.839 bridges and roads and water treatment systems and sewer treatment systems, 1:24:47.240 --> 1:24:50.480 and so this is the kind of it's the backbone 1:24:50.520 --> 1:24:52.840 infrastructure that they're trying to fix, and so they've had 1:24:52.840 --> 1:24:55.960 to take out loans and so This has been an 1:24:56.000 --> 1:25:01.599 ongoing argument discussion with FEMA about helping with those interest 1:25:01.640 --> 1:25:03.760 costs because we're simply waiting on the money that we 1:25:03.840 --> 1:25:07.639 have been awarded, but it's takes so long that they 1:25:07.720 --> 1:25:09.479 have to get moving because you can't leave a sewer 1:25:09.640 --> 1:25:13.200 or water treatment system or a bridge out forever. 1:25:13.120 --> 1:25:16.200 Right, Right, if this act passes, the FEMA Act passes, 1:25:16.240 --> 1:25:19.760 what's the timeline for Hamlet Countency changes? Specifically? What would 1:25:19.800 --> 1:25:23.200 be your top priority? Then they do what they're supposed 1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:24.439 to do or what you're asking them to do. What 1:25:24.479 --> 1:25:25.559 do you need to do at your end? 1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:30.240 I think our end would be educating. Once we both 1:25:30.360 --> 1:25:33.200 educate ourselves on what's the new process, right, what changes 1:25:33.439 --> 1:25:36.600 have come into play, make sure we understand them, communicate 1:25:36.640 --> 1:25:39.640 that to our elected leaders across the county. So I 1:25:39.680 --> 1:25:43.880 have forty nine communities with forty nine councils, so to speak, 1:25:44.320 --> 1:25:46.320 and so we'll be educating them on the process. So 1:25:46.360 --> 1:25:48.639 we know that if a disaster happens, then we receive 1:25:48.680 --> 1:25:52.040 a federal declaration both for that can help residents as 1:25:52.080 --> 1:25:54.559 well as local governments. We can get them into that 1:25:54.600 --> 1:25:57.479 process as quickly as possible. And so it's our job 1:25:57.560 --> 1:26:01.360 to make sure we're that bridge between the victim so 1:26:01.439 --> 1:26:03.919 to speak, and the resources that are available. 1:26:04.000 --> 1:26:05.559 Yeah, something the easy thing to do is make this 1:26:05.640 --> 1:26:08.960 grant based rather than reimbursement based. 1:26:10.240 --> 1:26:13.080 Right, I mean, it'll be you know, they'll once the 1:26:13.200 --> 1:26:15.280 FEMAC passes, they'll have to put in the face their 1:26:15.400 --> 1:26:19.000 policies and procedures. But again, the key that we'll be 1:26:19.040 --> 1:26:21.759 watching for is to make sure that when it's done 1:26:22.080 --> 1:26:24.960 that it's speed The intent is to get the money 1:26:24.960 --> 1:26:27.280 out sooner and speed up the process. And so we'll 1:26:27.280 --> 1:26:30.920 be monitoring that with the National Association Accounties and our 1:26:30.960 --> 1:26:33.320 state partners to make sure that FEMA does that. What's 1:26:33.360 --> 1:26:34.840 the level of support like on the hill for this, 1:26:37.000 --> 1:26:44.360 So it's bipartisan. So the Infrastructure Transportation Infrastructure Committee in 1:26:44.400 --> 1:26:47.639 the House passed it I think fifty six to three, 1:26:48.760 --> 1:26:53.120 So it's bipartisan support in there. And so again they're 1:26:53.160 --> 1:26:55.439 working on that. You have to have the companion bill 1:26:55.479 --> 1:26:57.599 in the Senate, so they're working on getting sponsors for that. 1:26:58.680 --> 1:27:02.400 And so I think disasters are a political disasters affect 1:27:02.520 --> 1:27:06.760 all states, all communities at at a given time, and 1:27:06.840 --> 1:27:10.000 so it does not know political boundaries, and so I 1:27:10.400 --> 1:27:14.600 think that hopefully we have a really good chance and 1:27:14.680 --> 1:27:17.400 also working with the administration because they have definitely called 1:27:17.439 --> 1:27:22.280 for for FEMA reform since before President Trump was elected, 1:27:22.439 --> 1:27:24.880 so we hope to well to line right up with 1:27:24.880 --> 1:27:26.080 with his with his efforts. 1:27:26.120 --> 1:27:27.519 Who are the three clowns that voted? 1:27:29.000 --> 1:27:29.679 I have no idea. 1:27:30.080 --> 1:27:31.559 I was looking at that boys. 1:27:31.600 --> 1:27:33.240 Get them to buy fors and go at it. You 1:27:33.240 --> 1:27:36.880 know what I'm saying doesn't make much sense there. What's 1:27:36.920 --> 1:27:38.400 the timeline for getting to implemented? 1:27:39.880 --> 1:27:42.040 I don't know. So again I think they're, you know, 1:27:42.080 --> 1:27:45.240 in the shutdown doesn't help, but I think that they're 1:27:45.280 --> 1:27:47.800 they're working to try to get the Senate Companion bill 1:27:47.880 --> 1:27:50.679 done and then it just has to go through the process. 1:27:50.840 --> 1:27:54.400 And you know, things are interesting in Congress right now? 1:27:54.640 --> 1:27:56.519 Gotcha all right, as quickly as possible. 1:27:57.080 --> 1:28:00.360 Nick Crossley, Hamlet County Director Emergency Management, I hope to 1:28:00.400 --> 1:28:02.519 never talk to you in your professional capacity when you've 1:28:02.560 --> 1:28:05.000 got your helmet and your state of Ohio, your county 1:28:05.080 --> 1:28:07.000 jacket on and stuff like that. God forbid, It's going 1:28:07.040 --> 1:28:08.720 to be a bad day. But Nick, I'm glad you 1:28:08.720 --> 1:28:09.880 do what you do and I appreciate it. 1:28:11.000 --> 1:28:11.800 Thank you very much. 1:28:11.920 --> 1:28:15.479 Great to chat with you, Nick Crossley, Yeah, kind of a. 1:28:15.680 --> 1:28:17.960 I mean, it's interesting to think that God forbid we 1:28:18.000 --> 1:28:20.960 have a natural disaster that we now have to borrow 1:28:21.080 --> 1:28:24.280 money and pay interest on that just to you know, 1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:27.200 give people money in order to live, to survive. That 1:28:27.560 --> 1:28:30.439 is a huge hole. And fortunately you have bipartisan support 1:28:30.439 --> 1:28:32.439 for this whole thing. I mean, if we got money 1:28:32.479 --> 1:28:37.160 for foreign countries and you know, redoing the White House, Okay, great, awesome, 1:28:37.400 --> 1:28:40.920 Well how about fixing FEMA? You guys, no wonder Congress 1:28:40.920 --> 1:28:44.200 has such a low approval rating. Scott's loan seven hundred WW. 1:28:45.680 --> 1:28:47.720 Willy gives me hope, and these days we can all 1:28:47.800 --> 1:28:48.400 use some hope. 1:28:48.560 --> 1:28:51.400 Willy is here for you, no matter how lousy my 1:28:51.479 --> 1:28:51.920 day is. 1:28:52.040 --> 1:28:54.000 I know I can count on Willy to turn things 1:28:54.000 --> 1:28:55.879 around here to soothe your fears. 1:28:55.960 --> 1:28:57.840 I wish I could find a man just like Willie, like. 1:28:57.960 --> 1:29:01.280 The Great American that I am uses lots of big words. 1:29:01.320 --> 1:29:03.160 I use lots of big words too. It's almost like 1:29:03.160 --> 1:29:03.719 we're twins. 1:29:03.760 --> 1:29:05.720 All you have to do is listen to me the 1:29:05.720 --> 1:29:07.360 Great America, Bill Cunningham. 1:29:07.400 --> 1:29:13.679 Today at twelve noon on seven hundred WLW. 1:29:12.560 --> 1:29:15.280 Have you taken your family to dinner recently have been 1:29:15.400 --> 1:29:16.360 shot stash. 1:29:20.040 --> 1:29:24.639 This is all Worth Advice with Andy Shaeffer. Oh Man, 1:29:24.760 --> 1:29:26.839 you smell that. It smells like money. 1:29:27.240 --> 1:29:30.439 It smells like money has just come into the conversation here, 1:29:30.479 --> 1:29:33.439 Andy Shafer from all Worth Financial. I can smell the 1:29:33.560 --> 1:29:35.920 money through the microphone this morning. I can smell it. 1:29:36.600 --> 1:29:38.040 I thought that was just false, Scott. 1:29:40.960 --> 1:29:41.800 Well, I'll tell you what. 1:29:41.880 --> 1:29:45.080 You'd have some you're in high cotton if you've got 1:29:45.080 --> 1:29:48.040 money skinning the game. Of course, a couple few days 1:29:48.040 --> 1:29:50.479 of records or market highs right now, it's been incredible. 1:29:50.479 --> 1:29:51.200 What's driving all that? 1:29:51.720 --> 1:29:53.200 Well, I mean a lot of things are going on 1:29:53.320 --> 1:29:55.439 right now. You know, first of all, we're pretty you know, 1:29:55.479 --> 1:29:58.839 we're getting some decent inflation numbers. We had the CPI 1:29:59.000 --> 1:30:01.840 last week on Friday with a consumer price index, which 1:30:01.880 --> 1:30:04.439 is a measure of inflation. And you know, we haven't 1:30:04.479 --> 1:30:06.400 been able to get a lot of data since the 1:30:06.439 --> 1:30:09.040 government shut down, but the CPI is one of those 1:30:09.120 --> 1:30:11.760 where the government says, well, we need this number to 1:30:11.800 --> 1:30:14.800 be able to adjust the cost of living adjustment for 1:30:15.360 --> 1:30:17.559 Social Security, and they're certainly going to keep an eye 1:30:17.640 --> 1:30:19.439 on that and make sure that they have that in place, 1:30:19.520 --> 1:30:22.080 So you know, we're kind of looking at what data 1:30:22.120 --> 1:30:24.960 we have available to determine what the FED is going 1:30:25.000 --> 1:30:27.439 to do. Uh, the Fed's meeting today, we're going to 1:30:27.479 --> 1:30:30.920 get a decision tomorrow at two o'clock and the FED 1:30:31.040 --> 1:30:33.400 Chairman Power has a press conference immediately after that, and 1:30:33.439 --> 1:30:35.040 it does seem likely we're going to get a quarter 1:30:35.080 --> 1:30:39.160 percent cut. Investors enjoy that because what that means is 1:30:39.200 --> 1:30:42.200 when you start to cut rates, that encourages spending, It 1:30:42.280 --> 1:30:46.120 encourages borrowing. You know, it makes companies a little more 1:30:46.160 --> 1:30:48.559 flexible to be able to hire. And so what the 1:30:48.560 --> 1:30:51.080 FED is doing is they're starting to attack the labor 1:30:51.080 --> 1:30:53.680 market to make sure that it stays pretty healthy. And 1:30:54.280 --> 1:30:56.320 you know, in addition to that, you know, we're seeing 1:30:57.320 --> 1:31:00.120 you know, from a political standpoint, we're seeing some calling 1:31:00.120 --> 1:31:03.160 on terraffs and you know, with Donald Trump meeting with 1:31:03.800 --> 1:31:06.599 President g at the end of the week this week, 1:31:06.720 --> 1:31:09.880 it seems like there's some positive progress there. And so 1:31:10.000 --> 1:31:13.320 all of that, you know, leads to investor optimism and 1:31:13.320 --> 1:31:14.519 that's kind of where we are right now. 1:31:14.640 --> 1:31:16.479 Yeah, all right, and it's been a hell of a 1:31:16.479 --> 1:31:19.040 stretch right now. For sure, we'll see what happens. And 1:31:19.080 --> 1:31:21.200 I know those the numbers you're talking about were delayed 1:31:21.240 --> 1:31:22.400 because of government shutdown. 1:31:23.000 --> 1:31:24.360 Yeah, they were delayed a little bit. 1:31:24.439 --> 1:31:27.519 Now, we did have headline prices rose point three percent 1:31:27.720 --> 1:31:30.360 on the core, which excludes food and energy, but that's 1:31:30.400 --> 1:31:33.040 really what the FED looks at because they don't believe 1:31:33.080 --> 1:31:37.160 that they can impact food and energy prices. And so 1:31:37.280 --> 1:31:39.439 when you see these numbers that say, okay, well you 1:31:39.479 --> 1:31:41.760 know raised point three percent year over year, Well that's 1:31:41.800 --> 1:31:45.559 still higher. Yeah, but you have to understand how inflation works. 1:31:45.560 --> 1:31:47.920 It doesn't mean that prices are coming down. What it 1:31:47.960 --> 1:31:50.640 means is is that they're going up less fast. And so, 1:31:51.400 --> 1:31:53.479 you know, the FED at this point feels pretty good 1:31:53.520 --> 1:31:56.719 that inflation right now is you know, it really hasn't 1:31:56.760 --> 1:32:00.320 been significantly impacted by the terrafs and things are starting 1:32:00.360 --> 1:32:03.080 to cool. The other thing that I thought was really 1:32:03.120 --> 1:32:06.040 interesting is we're finally seeing shelter, which is the largest 1:32:06.040 --> 1:32:09.400 comport component of the core inflation continue to cool. You know, 1:32:09.439 --> 1:32:11.720 we saw that that rents just rose point one to 1:32:11.760 --> 1:32:16.160 three percent. Primary rent increase just at point two percent, 1:32:16.320 --> 1:32:18.759 and so you know, when we start to see housing 1:32:18.800 --> 1:32:21.200 prices come down, and I think the fact that we're 1:32:21.240 --> 1:32:23.240 going to see rates cut again is going to cool 1:32:23.240 --> 1:32:27.120 it even more. You know, that's pretty optimistic from the 1:32:27.160 --> 1:32:28.360 fence perspective. 1:32:28.439 --> 1:32:30.040 And people see this and go, how can that be 1:32:30.200 --> 1:32:32.600 that the market's doing so well? And let look at 1:32:32.600 --> 1:32:34.800 they're going to cut SNAP benefits pretty soon, and the 1:32:34.800 --> 1:32:37.479 cuts to SNAP and the Americans they Affordable Care Act 1:32:37.520 --> 1:32:39.400 and people are going to have to pay you know, 1:32:39.600 --> 1:32:41.840 twenty eight percent more for their health insurance or the 1:32:41.840 --> 1:32:44.320 same cran we're in benefit season. How can all those 1:32:44.320 --> 1:32:47.520 things be true at the same time. And it illustrates 1:32:47.560 --> 1:32:49.320 I guess for everything and try and I that this 1:32:49.439 --> 1:32:51.439 is a disparity between the haves and the have nots, 1:32:51.640 --> 1:32:54.240 the rich and then everybody else to. 1:32:54.680 --> 1:32:57.400 Some to some extent, I think that it is challenging. 1:32:57.439 --> 1:32:59.439 You know, you know, when we go to the grocery store, 1:32:59.439 --> 1:33:01.639 you see is that are you know, pretty high. That's 1:33:01.720 --> 1:33:04.040 probably one of my biggest bills. We cook at home 1:33:04.080 --> 1:33:07.120 all the time. We go to the grocery. Meat prices 1:33:07.120 --> 1:33:10.400 are particularly high right now, and so you're thinking, you know, 1:33:10.439 --> 1:33:13.439 how is all of this possible? Well, people continue to 1:33:13.479 --> 1:33:17.160 have jobs and there haven't been significant cuts in the 1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:19.160 labor market at this point. So if you have the 1:33:19.240 --> 1:33:21.880 ability to continue to earn a way just going to 1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:25.200 translate to spending. And furthermore, you know, people that have 1:33:25.320 --> 1:33:29.840 investments in those that have retirement plans and retirees and 1:33:29.880 --> 1:33:33.080 their accounts are continuing to grow at fifteen percent every year. 1:33:33.160 --> 1:33:36.880 That generates a decent amount of wealth to where you 1:33:36.960 --> 1:33:41.040 can continue to draw an income stream and continue to spend. So, yes, 1:33:41.120 --> 1:33:44.400 prices are continuing to be higher, but people are still 1:33:44.439 --> 1:33:46.479 able to earn a wage and the job market is 1:33:46.560 --> 1:33:47.760 fairly stable at this point. 1:33:47.920 --> 1:33:50.559 Yeah, you look at that and go, okay, well that 1:33:50.560 --> 1:33:52.759 that makes sense right now because it's a small percentage 1:33:52.800 --> 1:33:55.080 of the America and three hundred million people you're talking about, 1:33:55.240 --> 1:33:57.920 you know, one point to one point four people are sorry, 1:33:57.960 --> 1:34:01.559 forty two million on Snap benefits rather and there's three 1:34:01.600 --> 1:34:03.800 hundred million Americans and say, okay, well, as a percent 1:34:03.840 --> 1:34:06.240 it's not that much, but it does have an impact 1:34:06.280 --> 1:34:08.280 on economy, and you're on a personal economy too. If 1:34:08.280 --> 1:34:10.000 you look at the price of things you just mentioned 1:34:10.560 --> 1:34:12.880 b For example, for the first time I can remember, 1:34:12.920 --> 1:34:14.720 I was at Costco of all places, I looked at 1:34:14.720 --> 1:34:17.680 some beef and when I'm not paying that right, I'm 1:34:17.680 --> 1:34:18.439 not paying that. 1:34:18.640 --> 1:34:21.000 Well, And I think there's a there's a point to that, Scott. 1:34:21.040 --> 1:34:24.160 You know, during COVID, when certain products were a little 1:34:24.160 --> 1:34:26.320 bit higher in price than others. You know, I enjoy 1:34:26.360 --> 1:34:29.120 a BLT sandwich, but when bacon is eight dollars a 1:34:29.160 --> 1:34:31.679 pound or whatever it was during that period of time, yeah, 1:34:31.680 --> 1:34:32.000 I'm going. 1:34:32.000 --> 1:34:32.559 To go without. 1:34:32.680 --> 1:34:34.920 And so, you know, people still have the ability to 1:34:34.960 --> 1:34:37.320 make decisions on their spending, and that's really where it 1:34:37.360 --> 1:34:40.280 comes to play. Just because prices go up, you still 1:34:40.320 --> 1:34:43.960 have the option and choices to make smart decisions with 1:34:44.000 --> 1:34:44.519 your spending. 1:34:44.720 --> 1:34:48.519 Yeah, I did see this that AI is now starting Well, 1:34:48.560 --> 1:34:50.760 we've seen it cost jobs. But Amazon's going to cut 1:34:50.800 --> 1:34:54.479 fourteen thousand people, and online education company CHEG is going 1:34:54.479 --> 1:34:57.080 to cut half of its eight hundred employee workforce all 1:34:57.120 --> 1:35:00.639 because of AI. And so the looming threat to poses 1:35:00.800 --> 1:35:02.519 is starting to become reality. 1:35:03.320 --> 1:35:05.400 There is some cuts that are going to be coming 1:35:05.479 --> 1:35:08.719 because of AI. I think there's a lot of industries 1:35:08.760 --> 1:35:11.960 that are going to be affected more by AI. However, 1:35:12.400 --> 1:35:15.640 we're continuing to see AI also developed jobs. We have 1:35:15.720 --> 1:35:18.559 a lot of jobs that are increasing because of AI 1:35:18.600 --> 1:35:21.680 and the tech sector We also have a form in 1:35:21.720 --> 1:35:24.599 Saudi Arabia right now where the Oracle Co CEO Mike 1:35:24.680 --> 1:35:28.200 Cilia basically said, Hey, the next stage of private data 1:35:28.400 --> 1:35:30.880 with AI is private data and merging them with leading 1:35:30.920 --> 1:35:33.840 AI models. And the thing about it is is that, yes, 1:35:33.920 --> 1:35:37.559 we've been through industrial revolutions, We've been through different you know, 1:35:37.640 --> 1:35:42.080 work revolutions. When the Internet was originated, we thought that 1:35:42.080 --> 1:35:43.559 that was going to be a collapse of a lot 1:35:43.560 --> 1:35:45.160 of jobs and we weren't going to be able to 1:35:45.240 --> 1:35:47.519 you know, find work and things like that. The reality 1:35:47.600 --> 1:35:49.960 is is that it also creates a lot of opportunities 1:35:50.320 --> 1:35:53.760 and additional jobs. So where one one sector might be 1:35:54.439 --> 1:35:56.400 thinning out a little bit, where are adding jobs to 1:35:56.439 --> 1:35:57.400 other sectors as well? 1:35:57.439 --> 1:36:00.360 All Right, Andy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial mentioned the 1:36:00.439 --> 1:36:04.600 numbers come out. The CPI core inflation shelter is the 1:36:04.640 --> 1:36:06.840 largest component of that. That's cooling off a little bit, 1:36:06.880 --> 1:36:09.560 believe it or not. Food We mentioned that that's moderates 1:36:09.720 --> 1:36:12.360 up but still kind of just pulling steady. Things look 1:36:12.439 --> 1:36:15.080 fairly normalized in flat right now, but the inflation rate 1:36:15.120 --> 1:36:17.640 is still a sticky three percent. That's above where the 1:36:17.640 --> 1:36:21.120 Fed wants it to be. Therefore interest rate cuts are coming. 1:36:21.960 --> 1:36:24.599 Yeah, because the FED has the ability to either attack 1:36:24.640 --> 1:36:27.800 inflation or pay attention more to the labor market. And 1:36:28.439 --> 1:36:31.200 the FED right now feels like, yes, it's a little 1:36:31.200 --> 1:36:33.360 bit higher than where we want it, but we're comfortable 1:36:33.400 --> 1:36:35.320 where it is, and the trends are going in the 1:36:35.400 --> 1:36:38.479 right direction, so they can switch their focus from attacking 1:36:38.479 --> 1:36:42.000 inflation to basically attacking the labor market and making sure 1:36:42.040 --> 1:36:45.040 that it remains healthy by cutting interest rates, which we're 1:36:45.080 --> 1:36:48.960 going to get a rate cut here tomorrow, We're probably 1:36:48.960 --> 1:36:50.880 going to get another quarter percent cut in the summer, 1:36:51.160 --> 1:36:53.400 and it's likely we get another one or two quarter 1:36:53.479 --> 1:36:56.640 percent cuts next year. And so you know, as an investor, 1:36:56.760 --> 1:36:59.520 you're looking at it, you're saying, okay. You know, with 1:36:59.520 --> 1:37:03.680 with interest rates starting to come down, that loosens the 1:37:03.720 --> 1:37:06.120 strings for people to be able to spend because borrowing 1:37:06.160 --> 1:37:09.439 becomes cheaper, not only individuals but also businesses. And so 1:37:10.040 --> 1:37:12.720 that's where the optimism is from a market standpoint, and 1:37:12.720 --> 1:37:14.320 that's why we're at our all time hius right now. 1:37:14.520 --> 1:37:17.720 Andy Shaffer explained to me, because I'm not an economist, 1:37:17.760 --> 1:37:19.800 most people listening article and I'm kind of stupid too, 1:37:19.960 --> 1:37:21.800 why can't you cut it? 1:37:22.360 --> 1:37:24.759 Why is it either or inflation or jobs? 1:37:25.400 --> 1:37:28.000 Well, think about it this way. If prices go up 1:37:28.400 --> 1:37:30.519 and they become you know, we were just talking about 1:37:30.520 --> 1:37:34.160 the price of bacon, If you increase interest rates, that 1:37:34.280 --> 1:37:37.439 makes it tougher to borrow. And so if you have 1:37:37.760 --> 1:37:41.880 less borrowing ability and it becomes more expensive, then that 1:37:42.000 --> 1:37:46.080 reduces demand. And if demand starts to reduce, then prices 1:37:46.160 --> 1:37:48.559 come down and follow along with it. When you cut 1:37:48.600 --> 1:37:53.400 interest rates, that increases demand, which allows for businesses to 1:37:53.479 --> 1:37:56.240 continue to thrive and hire more workers and help the 1:37:56.320 --> 1:37:59.640 labor market remain strong. So that's where it is. It 1:38:00.080 --> 1:38:02.719 all comes down to interest rates and how that affects 1:38:02.720 --> 1:38:05.880 the economy in general. If you continue to raise interest rates, 1:38:05.880 --> 1:38:09.479 which we did when prices were significantly higher, people aren't 1:38:09.479 --> 1:38:11.400 going to be willing to spend as much. And that's 1:38:11.400 --> 1:38:13.880 what it's all about. It's about demand and supply and 1:38:13.920 --> 1:38:16.240 your basic you know economics. 1:38:15.720 --> 1:38:18.280 There the balance of finances. What this is in the 1:38:18.280 --> 1:38:20.760 economy basically is that you can't serve all masters. You've 1:38:20.760 --> 1:38:22.960 got to pick the crisis and deal with that and uh, 1:38:23.040 --> 1:38:24.120 and then when the other one we. 1:38:24.400 --> 1:38:25.040 Go the other way. 1:38:25.120 --> 1:38:28.840 So and That's why it's it's. 1:38:28.960 --> 1:38:31.360 A certainly a delicate balance, and that's why you know, 1:38:31.439 --> 1:38:34.040 we talk about soft landings all the time, and you know, 1:38:34.080 --> 1:38:35.880 the FED can't be too quick with it, and they 1:38:35.880 --> 1:38:38.720 can't be too slow with it. And the challenge for 1:38:38.760 --> 1:38:41.360 the FED is is that when they implement either you know, 1:38:41.520 --> 1:38:44.719 interest rate increases or interest rate decreases, it takes about 1:38:44.760 --> 1:38:46.920 eight months for that to weave through the economy, so 1:38:46.960 --> 1:38:49.600 it's not instantaneous, and so they have to be a 1:38:49.600 --> 1:38:52.280 little bit patient, look at the data, see how those 1:38:52.600 --> 1:38:55.280 decisions affect the economy, and then adjust from there. And 1:38:55.320 --> 1:38:58.360 that's what makes it such a tricky and Denver, all. 1:38:58.320 --> 1:39:01.280 Right, let's get into the weirdness and the imbalance and 1:39:01.320 --> 1:39:05.280 also the whiplash nature of trade, Andy Schaeffer from all 1:39:05.320 --> 1:39:07.799 Worth Financial US in China. Looks like they made progress 1:39:07.840 --> 1:39:10.960 towards a deal deal that would pause more terrifikes, start 1:39:11.040 --> 1:39:14.320 to store normalized trade and I guess more more trades stability. 1:39:14.360 --> 1:39:17.240 I guess I want to say that is similarly really 1:39:17.240 --> 1:39:19.240 good news. I think the markets reacted as such. 1:39:19.800 --> 1:39:23.479 Yeah, I mean, who knows, you know, I mean right right, well, 1:39:23.520 --> 1:39:25.559 you know, this is what we get you know, Donald 1:39:25.600 --> 1:39:28.160 Trump likes President G and then he doesn't like President G. 1:39:28.560 --> 1:39:31.599 And you know, there's you know, you know, a lot 1:39:31.600 --> 1:39:34.960 of bluster, and you know, sometimes it feels almost personal. 1:39:35.040 --> 1:39:38.000 But basically where we are with this is that it 1:39:38.080 --> 1:39:40.760 seems like cooler heads are starting to prevail. Things are 1:39:40.800 --> 1:39:43.639 loosing up, and most importantly, I think that both sides 1:39:43.640 --> 1:39:46.080 are focused on reaching an agreement before the end of 1:39:46.120 --> 1:39:50.240 the year. You know, this week's progress. It's not a breakthrough, 1:39:50.320 --> 1:39:53.679 but we have a meeting on October thirtieth between President 1:39:54.080 --> 1:39:57.599 Trump and President G for the first time in months. 1:39:57.800 --> 1:40:00.000 And so the fact that we're you know, at least 1:40:00.080 --> 1:40:03.559 sitting together and talking is positive. And again, you know, 1:40:03.680 --> 1:40:06.880 China needs our markets. There are supply side type of economy, 1:40:06.960 --> 1:40:10.720 so they need people to buy their goods, and you know, 1:40:10.760 --> 1:40:12.879 and and there's a lot of things that China supplies 1:40:12.960 --> 1:40:16.040 us that is important, you know, to to our path 1:40:16.080 --> 1:40:18.479 forward from an economic standpoint. So we we do need 1:40:18.520 --> 1:40:20.400 each other and it seems like things are starting to 1:40:20.439 --> 1:40:22.120 cool and that's why the markets have responded. 1:40:22.240 --> 1:40:23.920 Then there's Canada that's at the other end of. 1:40:24.040 --> 1:40:27.280 Oh yeah, well, you know, with Canada, there's there's also 1:40:27.320 --> 1:40:29.479 a lot of name calling and a lot of bless 1:40:29.479 --> 1:40:31.080 are there, and and the mood is a little bit 1:40:31.080 --> 1:40:33.960 different there. You know, we we had some trade talks, 1:40:34.520 --> 1:40:38.040 you know, with Canada. Recently, Ontario ran an ad here 1:40:38.040 --> 1:40:41.719 in the United States criticizing American tariffs and basically urging 1:40:41.720 --> 1:40:45.639 a return to the Reagan style uh economic trade balance. 1:40:45.680 --> 1:40:48.479 And you know, and and that, you know, kind of 1:40:48.560 --> 1:40:51.479 upset the White House and an upset Washington. Ottawa called 1:40:51.479 --> 1:40:54.439 the ad unfortunate but stood by its message. But basically, 1:40:54.520 --> 1:40:57.640 you know, that irritated the United States, and so it 1:40:57.960 --> 1:41:02.240 halted progress on steel negotiation, is aluminum, agriculture, and those 1:41:02.280 --> 1:41:05.639 are the big things that we trade with Canada, and 1:41:05.640 --> 1:41:09.600 and and that relationship remains important and hopefully we'll be 1:41:09.640 --> 1:41:12.559 able to have some cooler rhetoric moving forward there too. 1:41:12.600 --> 1:41:15.160 All right, there seems no end to the government shutdown. 1:41:15.560 --> 1:41:18.640 It's obviously not affecting markets. And how much are that 1:41:18.720 --> 1:41:21.080 weighs on our lawmakers to get something done? I mean, 1:41:21.120 --> 1:41:23.559 the markets start to suffer as all the shutdowns, that's 1:41:23.600 --> 1:41:26.240 a different story, but clearly the opposite is happening. How 1:41:26.320 --> 1:41:28.000 much is it do you think that weighs in their decision. 1:41:28.400 --> 1:41:30.400 I think there's a timeline on that. Right now, it 1:41:30.439 --> 1:41:33.680 doesn't very much. You know, there hasn't been a lot 1:41:33.720 --> 1:41:36.760 of official economic releases, so it kind of keeps us 1:41:36.760 --> 1:41:38.439 in the dark to where the economy is. 1:41:38.560 --> 1:41:38.800 Now. 1:41:39.120 --> 1:41:41.920 If you start to see the limited amount of data 1:41:41.920 --> 1:41:45.000 that we have, start to move sideways on that and 1:41:45.040 --> 1:41:48.160 we need a lot more clarity, you know, politicians will 1:41:48.200 --> 1:41:51.280 start to get together and make a deal. However, you 1:41:51.280 --> 1:41:53.840 know where we stand right now, there is not a 1:41:53.880 --> 1:41:56.519 lot of urgency for the government to get back open, 1:41:56.640 --> 1:41:59.160 you know. Right now, you know Wall Street's going to 1:41:59.200 --> 1:42:03.479 focus on corporate profits. We're starting to move into earning season. 1:42:03.520 --> 1:42:05.759 We have one hundred and sixty two large cap companies 1:42:05.800 --> 1:42:08.280 that are going to report earnings this week. We have 1:42:08.320 --> 1:42:13.320 a lot of heavyweights out there. They're going to report Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft, 1:42:14.240 --> 1:42:15.960 and so we'll see where that is. So right now, 1:42:16.000 --> 1:42:18.760 investors are focusing focusing on, you know, what are the 1:42:18.840 --> 1:42:22.439 earnings of companies, how are they performing, and looking at 1:42:22.479 --> 1:42:24.760 the limited data that we get to make decisions as 1:42:24.760 --> 1:42:26.920 far as you know, where am I going to invest 1:42:26.920 --> 1:42:29.719 and how is the how is the economy continuing to progress? 1:42:29.760 --> 1:42:30.040 All right? 1:42:30.080 --> 1:42:31.200 What do we got week ahead here. 1:42:32.240 --> 1:42:35.519 Uh, well, you know again, we're a limited, a little 1:42:35.520 --> 1:42:37.679 bit limited. The big one obviously is the FED meeting 1:42:37.840 --> 1:42:41.880 today and in the conference tomorrow. We're going to get 1:42:41.920 --> 1:42:44.040 you know, some trade information as well. We're going to 1:42:44.080 --> 1:42:46.600 get pending home sales on Wednesday. Thursday, we're going to 1:42:46.640 --> 1:42:49.800 get our GDP numbers, hopefully right because a lot of 1:42:49.800 --> 1:42:52.960 this is still you know, on the sidelines. Friday is 1:42:53.320 --> 1:42:56.799 normally a big day where we get personal income, consumer spending, 1:42:58.000 --> 1:43:01.599 producer price index, a lot one of those bits of data. 1:43:01.640 --> 1:43:04.559 But as long as the government room hearing's shut down, 1:43:04.680 --> 1:43:05.960 we're not going to get those numbers. 1:43:06.000 --> 1:43:07.400 So we'll see what we get. 1:43:07.439 --> 1:43:08.960 We just don't know at this point. 1:43:09.160 --> 1:43:11.880 He's Andy Schaeffer with all Worth Financial simply Money. That 1:43:11.880 --> 1:43:15.080 show airs at six o'clock weeknights, that would be tonight 1:43:15.160 --> 1:43:18.560 on fifty five KRC. Every Tuesday morning he pops in 1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:20.240 to kind of check what's going on with the markets 1:43:20.240 --> 1:43:22.599 and money. So Wall Street looks really, really good right now. 1:43:22.680 --> 1:43:25.280 Government looks to be inapt and all is right with 1:43:25.320 --> 1:43:27.240 the world. I guess if it comes to your investments now, 1:43:27.320 --> 1:43:29.840 the day to day's different story. So keep your eye 1:43:29.840 --> 1:43:31.479 on the long term prize, which is getting the hell 1:43:31.520 --> 1:43:34.320 out of your workplace with a little bit enough hopefully saved, 1:43:34.400 --> 1:43:36.639 to be able to retire at some point in your future. 1:43:36.920 --> 1:43:38.880 I hope that's true for all of us, sooner rather 1:43:38.960 --> 1:43:40.800 than later. All the best, Drew, thanks again, have a 1:43:40.800 --> 1:43:41.200 great one. 1:43:41.400 --> 1:43:43.320 Thanks Scott, look forward to talking to you next week. 1:43:43.360 --> 1:43:45.920 Willie is standing by. He has returned. He's ready to go. 1:43:45.960 --> 1:43:49.120 He's champing at the bits. More Chresa Thiji stuff on 1:43:49.240 --> 1:43:52.599 the way. We've found out the law firm that's going 1:43:52.680 --> 1:43:55.240 to look for her reasons that she's been fired after 1:43:55.280 --> 1:43:57.719 she's fired, and we're going to pay them like forty 1:43:57.760 --> 1:44:00.680 grand to do that and get a by the end 1:44:00.720 --> 1:44:01.160 of the year. 1:44:01.520 --> 1:44:02.120 So that's awesome. 1:44:02.200 --> 1:44:04.360 You have a police chief who essentially has been fired 1:44:04.720 --> 1:44:06.559 and now we hired a law firm to look for 1:44:06.600 --> 1:44:08.200 the reasons as to why she's fired. 1:44:08.200 --> 1:44:10.320 It makes sense to you, No it does not. Does 1:44:10.360 --> 1:44:12.840 it make sense to those high a top city hall, 1:44:13.120 --> 1:44:15.680 Yes it does, Yes it does. And we have an 1:44:15.720 --> 1:44:18.439 election coming up makes it more interesting. Scott's loan Home 1:44:18.479 --> 1:44:21.759 of the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred W Dowde, Cincinnati,