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Speaker 1: So we jump in this morning with news a governor

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Speaker 1: a shutdown of course, approaching the thirty day mark, and

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Speaker 1: That's all we do now is continuing resolutions and then

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Speaker 1: government will happen in another seven weeks. So Democrats have

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Speaker 1: blocked it. They want enhanced Obamacare subsidies and want Medicaid funding.

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Speaker 1: And now with forty two million people set to lose

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Speaker 1: flo's assistance with snap benefits on Saturday. Is anyone feeling

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Speaker 1: And I'll know too that congressional approval rating has plummeted

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Speaker 1: Burton is a political analyst at Crosstown Consulting in northern Kentucky. Kevin,

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Speaker 1: welcome back.

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, sloney.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into the national politics of this, I

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Speaker 1: Mayor aft Ted Pureval has fired but not fired Chief

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean for as mayor Aftabs going to

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Speaker 3: He's going to win.

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Speaker 4: The real question is going to be there's a lot

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Speaker 2: No such thing.

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Speaker 1: You never know, but I just don't see the demand

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, first off, the city of Cincinnati voted

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Speaker 5: You know, we tend to be a little more newsy

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Speaker 1: Which is completely backwards? Does that actually play with voters?

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Speaker 4: Well, we will see in seven days. Historically, no, I mean,

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Speaker 4: And time and time again, voters for just have apathy

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Speaker 1: Let's shift to what's going on the federal government. Kevin Burton,

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Speaker 1: political analysts with Crosstown consultings upholster with the shutdown itself,

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Speaker 1: Fifty percent blame Republicans, forty three percent blame Democrats with independence.

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Speaker 2: It's about fifty one thirty four Republican.

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Speaker 1: And obviously the reason why is because Republicans controlled the

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Speaker 4: So yes, in the last three weeks it was substantially more.

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Speaker 4: That Just get the job done. Like you guys are elected,

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Speaker 1: Democrats will say, well, we're getting some traction here because

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Speaker 1: to look at the No Kings rally go A million

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, no, and sometimes when you're the loudest,

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Speaker 4: The real question is how many new people did you get?

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Speaker 3: And there is a lot of silent Trump voters. So

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Speaker 1: No, The thing is if this shutdown extends in November,

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Speaker 4: I would still favor the Democrats just because healthcare is

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Speaker 1: And if you're complaining and you're part of the no

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Speaker 4: He would think, So go to your job. Everyone else

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Speaker 4: I mean they need to get to work.

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Speaker 1: I know that today and all I there a meaning

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Speaker 1: You know you talk about no kings, but that would

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Speaker 1: apply to Congress as well based on what you just said.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Burton is with Crosstown Consulting. He's a political Anamson

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Speaker 1: polster in northern Kentucky. Kevin, thanks to the inside is

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Speaker 1: always good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Falney.

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Speaker 1: By the way, real quick, what if you're going to

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Speaker 4: I just think that you know, there's elections, you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the opt on that are terrible. Kevin, all the best,

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Speaker 1: Thanks again, brother, Yeah, appreciate your Let's get a time

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Speaker 1: I just have Kevin Burton on Political Analyst and Upholster

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Speaker 1: get your kidneys? Can you give a kidneys? I mean

435
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Speaker 1: stuff from kidney failure in life without kidneys is now

436
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:39,160
Speaker 1: it's not sustainable. And even dialysis is a really really tough, long, painful,

437
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: horrible process. But if your kidneys fail, you either got

438
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 1: to get a transplant, which you can get another what

439
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: twenty years, Someone like Nick Mangled can die an old

440
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 1: man with a new kidney, a replacement kidney, or you're

441
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 1: on dialysis for four to five years. You're health of

442
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: to tear eate until eventually it die because that is

443
00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 1: a descence. Even the machines can't do what the human

444
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: kidney can, and we lose. You know, there's like we're

445
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Speaker 1: short more than I think forty fifty thousand kidneys a

446
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 1: year in the United States, and that number along I

447
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 1: think forty thousand is that's how many people die. More

448
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 1: that kills more people than die in motor vehicle crashes

449
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: in the United States, I believe. To put that number

450
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Speaker 1: to context, and the question is, oh, how do you

451
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 1: solve this instead of roadsides and the charity and courage

452
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 1: and kindness of others and strangers and the horrible thing

453
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Speaker 1: that Nick Mangol went through and died relatively young. It

454
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 1: gets back with the shortage is because in nineteen eighty

455
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Speaker 1: four we've passed the law that said it's unlawful for

456
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Speaker 1: any person to require receive transfer any human organ for

457
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 1: valuable consideration, meaning money to be used in a transplant.

458
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 1: That you can't sell your organ. You can't sell a kidney.

459
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Speaker 1: Now you go a wait a minute, we need more kidneys,

460
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Speaker 1: not less. Hold on just a second, or let's apply

461
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Speaker 1: what is true well to a large degree, although Congress

462
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: strikes to change this. The fact that it's a free market. Okay,

463
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: you have something that someone else wants, what is the

464
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: price for that good or service or kidney in this case?

465
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Speaker 1: And I've said this for a long time, and now

466
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Speaker 1: Nick Mangold is dead, and it's a reasonably current story

467
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: that the organ markets. If you sold stuff on a

468
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: free market, think about the pain and expense of sitting

469
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: on dialysis or waiting for a kidney and not knowing.

470
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: I think you'd be flushed with kidneys quite us to

471
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Speaker 1: a certain point that if you legalize the in this case,

472
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Speaker 1: organ markets are kidneys for that matter. You know, first

473
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Speaker 1: of all, it wouldn't be like you're out on eBay

474
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: or something like that Facebook marketplace looking for a used kidney.

475
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: You know, your healthcare providers would buy this up, just

476
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 1: like they do with any durble medical equipment or medical supply.

477
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: Blood for that matter. You know, you go donate blood.

478
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Speaker 1: It costs the Red Cross, it costs hawks worth money

479
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: in order for you to donate blood. You go in

480
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: and you should because we're always in a blood short

481
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 1: especially now, and it costs money to transport the blood.

482
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: It costs money for the labor supplies, utilities, rent storage alone, refrigeration.

483
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Speaker 2: All that stuff or.

484
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Speaker 1: Something that's perishable costs a small fortune in the billions

485
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: of dollars. And what they do is they would charge

486
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: the hospitals who then mark the blood up and charge

487
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: you in your insurance if you need a blood transfusion.

488
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: Cost money to get blood because it costs the people

489
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Speaker 1: getting the blood. Now, am I suggesting you charge people

490
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: for blood? Well, we already are. How is that any

491
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 1: different than we're talking about this way you're eliminating in

492
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Speaker 1: the middle man. You do that with plasma for example,

493
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Speaker 1: I don't understand that. You know, you can't. I can't

494
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Speaker 1: make money off of giving you blood. But if I

495
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: go down to the plasma center and roll up my sleeve,

496
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: I can donate my platelets and somehow get paid for that.

497
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Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense to me. And if we

498
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Speaker 1: can do that with plasma mode bats and I what

499
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: about your organs? Now you're going, well, that's just just

500
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 1: something wrong about that, is it really? Because why? Well,

501
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: because typically it's going to be poor people that are

502
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: going to do this. Okay, so you're exploiting poor people,

503
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: like maybe the ones who are talking about people are

504
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: on snap. Yeah, yeah, absolutely poor people. Well, the risks

505
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: of you know, you can live a perfectly fine life

506
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Speaker 1: with one kidney. Plenty of people do. You can live

507
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: normal lives and there's some minor risk. There's always risk

508
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: in well, but there's some minor health risks. It's not

509
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: like you can't you know, you got to stop drinking

510
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: alcohol or andything like, no, you can and the life

511
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: expectancies about that with if you had two kidneys. So

512
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: if you're not paying out a pocket and the LL

513
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,239
Speaker 1: risk is low, what is prevented? Well, yeah, it's just

514
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's so exploitative though, because it's going to

515
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: be poor people. Well, I mean, we assume minor risks

516
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: all the time in exchange for pay.

517
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 2: Here's a grample for it.

518
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 1: We're talking about Nick Mangold from Centerville, the two time

519
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: pro bowler who died because he couldn't get a kidney

520
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: because a kidney disease. He's an ALFL player, most professional athletes,

521
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: most players in the National Football League come from poor backgrounds. Okay,

522
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: can you make a case and say that Nick Mangold,

523
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: every single time he put that helmet on risk his

524
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: life risk serious injuries. We know that in the course

525
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: of a career, players in the NFL lose about what

526
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: three years of life with expectancy every season they play

527
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: because of what it does to your body. Look at

528
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: Chris Henry right, the CTE and things like that. So

529
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: should we then saying well, you know, this is exploitative

530
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: the poor people. Is anyone arguing that poor people should

531
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: be banned from playing football or basketball or baseball or

532
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: whatever it is. No, that's not exploitative. They're getting because

533
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: of what it does they bring to the table. They're

534
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: getting money, and well have a lot of money in

535
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: exchange for that. That's where I think it's not exploitative

536
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: at all. So they asked to make something like eighty

537
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: thousand lives in the US could be saved by legalizing

538
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: the organ markets, particularly kidney mark Kidney's a big one.

539
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: I don't find that exploitative at all. Let's say, I

540
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: don't know if you can get one hundred thousand dollars

541
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: for a kidney. Let's just say one hundred and fifty

542
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: thousand dollars for that. I don't know what a kidney

543
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: would go for one hundred thousand dollars. So there's someone

544
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: who needs money we're talking about, you know, the snap

545
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: benefit cuts, healthcare and all that stuff. Wouldn't that go

546
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: a long way into lifting them out of poverty all

547
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: for the minimal risk of donating your organ It seems

548
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: to me like that the kidney market would benefit poor

549
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: people more than it would harm them. I don't think

550
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: that's flawed logic. If I got a fifty grand for kidney,

551
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: and it'd probably be more than that quite honestly. Now

552
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: you've got something you need, which is money. I mean

553
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: we all need money, right, but especially if you're poor.

554
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: You're looking AHw okay healthcare. How am I going to

555
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: pay for this? If the snap benefits going, How'm gonna

556
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: pay for this? I could sell it organ? Now it

557
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: sounds again, it sounds cruel. It's like, oh my god,

558
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: you had to sell an organ basically see the give

559
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: up your organ or eat. Yeah, but let's face it,

560
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: that hundred grand you'd probably go to Disney, you'd probably

561
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: better car, probably buy some night clothes, maybe go on vacation.

562
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: I maybe go to the casino.

563
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

564
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: It's your money. And if someone like that.

565
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: Reason believes the risk is worth it, why should the

566
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 1: government force that person to choose otherwise? I mean, you know,

567
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: we don't say, well, you shouldn't get a tattoo, you

568
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: shouldn't get a piercing, you shouldn't cut your hair that well,

569
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: you shay, you know that's the nanny stay talking. Well,

570
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: you know it's ungodly. Well again, that's your business and

571
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: what you worship or choose not to worship is your business?

572
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 1: Quit good foisting that on me. What your sense of

573
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: godly morality is is wrapped up in your own thing,

574
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: not mine. And if I look at it, going wow,

575
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: that's all well and good. But I think God wants

576
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: me to give up a kidney for one hundred thousand

577
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: dollars part of the prosperity gospel.

578
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: Right, same thing.

579
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: So I just don't see how this argument works out

580
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: that somehow it's exploitative and only poor people. Did I

581
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: know a lot about probably middle or upper income people

582
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: who go, huh, one hundred grant for a kidney? You know,

583
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: has wanted that bigger boat. I was wanted that country

584
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: club membership. I wanted that I'm going to go on

585
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: that trip to Dubai. I've been wanting to go on.

586
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: For one hundred thousand dollars in one less kidney, you're

587
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: helping somebody out, You're sustaining their life. You feel good

588
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: about that, You feel great when that one hundred k

589
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: hits your bank account. Who the hell loses in this

590
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: whole situation because the way it is right now, you've

591
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: got forty thousand people waiting on the list, and eighty

592
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: thousand people essentially dying from this. Nick Mangolds forty one,

593
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: he's leaving behind a wife and some kids. And I

594
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: don't know the full details of Nick Mangold and from

595
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: the Jets and of Center of the Ohio the football player,

596
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: two time Pro bowler, but it certainly made news this weekend,

597
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: like how can someone that young die so quickly from

598
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: diagnot because his kidneys failed that quickly. There's nothing they

599
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: could do for him save a transplant. But you got

600
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: to get on the list. You gotta wait.

601
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: And even then, it's a crapshit that makes no sense

602
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: to me. It seems to me.

603
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: That it's your body parts. If you want to sell

604
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: him off, you should be able to do that. This

605
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: is some busy body government over each crap to protect

606
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: whom I'm looking at the nineteen eighty four National Organ

607
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: Transplant Act NODA, it shall be unlawful for any person

608
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: nor only acquire, receiver, or otherwise transfer any human organ

609
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: for valuable consideration for use in human transportation transplantation. If

610
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: the transfer affects interstate commerce, why are we regulating that?

611
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you shouldn't be doing in a

612
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: back alley or something like that. And unlicensed doctors taking

613
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: your kidney out, like those old internet memes from back

614
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: in the day where I went to Vegas. Next thing,

615
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: I woke up on my bathtub and my kidney was gone,

616
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: Like yeah, that never really happened.

617
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: That's just scaring people.

618
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: But doing a clinical setting and I take one hundred

619
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: grad I think about it, going I could help somebody

620
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: make one hundred grand.

621
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Speaker 2: I've got a problem with that.

622
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: I don't know about other bodily organs, but the kidney

623
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: is one you could live quite a healthy life on with.

624
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: Just the one makes a lot of sense to me.

625
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: Why are we fighting this? And it would because it's

626
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: market forces. The more demand there is for a kidney,

627
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: the more money you could gain from donating say kidney

628
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: or selling said kidney, as opposed to waiting for someone

629
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: out of the kindness of their heart to donate it.

630
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: So I mean as well hear the stories and you

631
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: know it makes it happens locally. I had someone on

632
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: my show not long ago, same things, save their life

633
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: because they got a kidney. It's a great story, but

634
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: how many, how many thousands of people die who never

635
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: get that kind of attention. It seems so just so

636
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: hit or miss. Quite honestly, I don't know anyway. It's

637
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: loanly here on seven hundred WLW coming up in about

638
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: ten minutes. It's a complete and full news update. Jason Philibaum,

639
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: attorney at law, is here. What to expect from the

640
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: law firm investigating Terry Thiji. So the timeline of courses,

641
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, in this this stumbling, bubbling mess that is

642
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: our city government that Cincinnati is now paying forty thousand

643
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: dollars to Frostbontade are really really well respected law firm,

644
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: but they've got forty grand and to the end of

645
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: the year to come up with reason as to why

646
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: they fired Terry Thichi. So you take someone, you place

647
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: them on paid administrative leave, meaning she's collecting every bit

648
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: of her two hundred thousand dollars plus salary. So the

649
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Speaker 1: taxpayers are foot and full bill for that, and then

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Speaker 1: they're footing the forty thousand dollars for this law for

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Speaker 1: them to come in and investigate why they fired her

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Speaker 1: in the first place. Normally, you build your case and

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Speaker 1: you go, you know what, We're putting you on leave

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Speaker 1: until a final determination is May because we have reason

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Speaker 1: to believe Terry thg that you're incompetent, you're grossly incompetent.

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Speaker 1: It could be malfeasans, misfeasans all the feacens is. Who

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Speaker 1: knows what it is. But we've had enough of you.

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Speaker 1: You're done. Instead, out of the blue, they just go, well,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna put you on paid administrative leave and name

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Speaker 1: an interim chief, not a temporary but when you go interim,

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Speaker 1: that is the chief who might become the chief or

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Speaker 1: maybe the chief between chiefs. But just calling it the

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Speaker 1: interim police chief is wrong. If this is a suspension, right,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't the adjective you're looking for be like the temporary

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Speaker 1: chief or acting chief. There's a difference between acting and interim.

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Speaker 1: And they even chose the wrong words. They made a

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Speaker 1: I mean, this seems like a hell of a lawsuit

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Speaker 1: on Terry Thigi's part too. If they do can her

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Speaker 1: and that wait a minute, essentially, no, no, we didn't

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Speaker 1: we suspend. Then why did you use the word interim

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Speaker 1: because interim basically means the stop gap between the old

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Speaker 1: and the new acting as well. This person is on

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Speaker 1: sick leave where they're out or something. Okay, they're acting

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Speaker 1: until that person gets back. You know when the Reds

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Speaker 1: or of the Bengals never do this. But when the

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Speaker 1: Reds fire manager, it's the interim manager. Okay, we've fired

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Speaker 1: Brown Prices out. Now the interim manager is you're the

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Speaker 1: bench coach until you get Terry Francona. If David Bell

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Speaker 1: would have gotten sick, and that sometimes happens, it'd be

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Speaker 1: the acting manager, not the interim manager. So even choosing

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Speaker 1: these words is stupid. It seems like you're setting yourself

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Speaker 1: a ven greater lawsuit. And now you're looking at the

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Speaker 1: reasons why you let her go or suspended her. I guess,

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Speaker 1: and you're going to pay forty thousand dollars. And now

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Speaker 1: they have to the end of the year to come

686
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Speaker 1: up with the reasons why they fired in the first place.

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Speaker 1: So it's going to be months later the reasons come

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Speaker 1: out as to why she is the wrong person for

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Speaker 1: the job and some of the scope of the investigation

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Speaker 1: and the questions to be asked according to the inquirer.

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Speaker 1: Is she an effective leader and manager of the department,

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Speaker 1: including personnel and resources. Is she a leader within the

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Speaker 1: context of city government, meaning furthering the broader goals and

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Speaker 1: objectives of the city administration. Well, that's easy, and that's

695
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: a stupid question to ask to put in their scope,

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00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: because the broader goals and objectives of the administration are

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Speaker 1: simply to put up with crime, not put people in jail,

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Speaker 1: release them on low bond or no owner cognizance, and

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Speaker 1: essentially trust the criminal that they're going to report back

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00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: when the When they don't, you just go, well, we'll

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00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: go we'll get them eventually.

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00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:49,959
Speaker 2: It's no big deal.

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Speaker 1: So those are the goals and objectives or the administration

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Speaker 1: that Terry will probably lay out. And if that's the case,

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Speaker 1: and you are dancing to the piper being have to

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Speaker 1: have pureval and shere along, then you absolutely are furthering

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00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: the broader goals and objections to the city administration. Unfortunately,

708
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: when the broader goals and objectives are just drunk ass stupid,

709
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Speaker 1: as they have been at her aftab and cheer along,

710
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: she is the one that winds up drawing the short straw.

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Speaker 1: The music ended, and she's without a chair. So she

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Speaker 1: did what they wanted them to do, wanted her to do.

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Speaker 2: And then when they.

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Speaker 1: Realized the policies don't work, and it may sound good

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00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: in theory and appiece, a whole bunch of community activists. Well,

716
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: then guess what, It's her fault, not mine, And so

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00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: it goes. That is the price you pay when you

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Speaker 1: kneel at the altar of politics, as Terry Thigi's learning. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: because she had a long, great career thirty five years,

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Speaker 1: nothing in her jacket, nothing in her file indicates anything

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Speaker 1: negative or anything seriously negative has been done under thirty

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Speaker 1: five years as a cop in Cincinnati. And now after

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Speaker 1: the fact, we've got to find in thirty five years

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Speaker 1: something wrong she's done to bring it to light to

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Speaker 1: justify this wholester fire. Jason Philibaum, attorney law, breaks that

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Speaker 1: down and tells us just how much more of the

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Speaker 1: city's going to be on the hook for meeting you taxpayers,

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Speaker 1: So the news breaking not long ago that the City

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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati is playing a local law firm, Frost Brown

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Speaker 1: Todd forty k to investigate police Terry Thigi's performance after

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Speaker 1: they fired her. Normally, you investigate the performance, go okay,

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Speaker 1: they gotta go. This is completely backwards, and they expect

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Speaker 1: the law firm to be finished by the end of

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Speaker 1: the year. So it's going to cost us forty grand

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Speaker 1: and the city is still shelling out the full salary

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Speaker 1: and benefits to Terry Fiji of in excess of two

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. Because of this nonsense, she hired her

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Speaker 1: own employment lawyer, Stephen m and he has no intention

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Speaker 1: of allowing her to resign because she said there's nothing negative.

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Speaker 1: Thirty five years on the job to the date when

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Speaker 1: she was removed. Thirty five years, nothing significant, nothing minor

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Speaker 1: in her jacket, pretty exemplary thirty five year law career

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Speaker 1: that she's had. So why now? And also there's some

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00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: developing news overnight regarding the scope of the investigation what

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00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,959
Speaker 1: the law firm is going to look for. Specifically, joining

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Speaker 1: the show is attorney Jason Philibaum, who's been on the

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Speaker 1: block a few times.

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Speaker 2: Jason welcome, how are.

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Speaker 3: You good morning, Thank you doing well?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this whole thing right away, it just just screams

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Speaker 1: like wrongful dismissal in a sense, because before we get

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Speaker 1: into the intricacies of at Jason Phillibom, I look at

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Speaker 1: this and go, okay, I've been on the job for

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Speaker 1: thirty five years, and on my thirty fifth anniversary, I

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Speaker 1: get noticed that I'm now on paid administratively. If I'm

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Speaker 1: in Denver, Colorado, I get summoned back from this conference

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Speaker 1: to Cincinnati because I'm probably gonna get fired. And she

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00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: wasn't technically fired, she's unpaid leave. And it wasn't because

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Speaker 1: of something happened. I mean the Fountain Square issue. It

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Speaker 1: happened days a couple of days after she left for Denver,

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Speaker 1: so nothing new was going on here. And then furthermore,

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Speaker 1: they come in and go, okay, we're going to put

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Speaker 1: you on leave. We're going to name an interim chief.

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Speaker 1: By the way, not a temporary position, but interim generally

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Speaker 1: means between the past into the future. If it was

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Speaker 1: someone let's say that God forbid, she were sick, there

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Speaker 1: would be someone temporarily there, right so that would be

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Speaker 1: someone who is not an interim chief. There'd be another

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Speaker 1: adjective for that, it'd be acting chief. And so they

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Speaker 1: even chose the words incorrectly here. If you're not firing,

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Speaker 1: she's not fired, then why I have an interim chief?

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Speaker 1: Does that not help the legal case against the city

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Speaker 1: from Terry Thiji.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so. I think this looks like a

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Speaker 7: witch hut. It reminds me of this guy that had

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Speaker 7: one hundred arrows in the side of his barn and

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Speaker 7: he would ask how he did it, and he said,

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Speaker 7: it was easy.

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Speaker 3: I shoot an arrow into the.

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Speaker 7: Side of the barn and then I go ahead and

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Speaker 7: paint the bull's eye around it. And you know what

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Speaker 7: I think you have here is you have a situation

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Speaker 7: where you know they they want are gone. I mean

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Speaker 7: that's clear. And instead of just terminating her and worrying

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Speaker 7: about whether they have to pay out a contract or not,

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Speaker 7: they then hire a law firm, you know, approximately one

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Speaker 7: hundred to one hundred and twenty hours of work to

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Speaker 7: essentially investigate her. And you know, I can tell you,

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Speaker 7: you know, being around the block as you say, you know,

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Speaker 7: if you start investigating someone that has thirty five years

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Speaker 7: of experience, you know you may not find something illegal,

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Speaker 7: But I'm pretty sure you're going to find some policy

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Speaker 7: that's been broken that everybody breaks, and then that's going

802
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Speaker 7: to be their linch pin. But it sounds to me

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Speaker 7: like there's some issues in Cincinnati and they're using her

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Speaker 7: as escapegoat.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not easy to dismissible gig.

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Speaker 1: Well, we investigated and we found this in your jacket,

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Speaker 1: which should be you know, essentially it's already something that's

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00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: known but didn't rise the level of termination. As a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, the argument from Stephen m would be, well,

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Speaker 1: not only did you know this because it's part of

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Speaker 1: you also promoted her in rank to the chief of police,

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Speaker 1: so you're complicit in this whole thing. You're fining her

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Speaker 1: for something you had no problem that she did at

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Speaker 1: the time. You can't that's revisionis you can't do that.

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Speaker 1: I mean that that's going to cost the money, is

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Speaker 1: in't it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? And that's the.

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Speaker 7: Process I think they're they're going down here that I'm

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Speaker 7: not sure is going.

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Speaker 3: To be wise what they're trying to do.

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Speaker 7: I mean, they want or gone, Like you said, they

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Speaker 7: even use the word interim, So she's gone. She's not

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Speaker 7: going to resign and so they're going to want a terminator.

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Speaker 7: Now in Ohio, we'ren't at will state, so you can

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Speaker 7: terminate someone as long as it's not based on some

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Speaker 7: you know, legal reason.

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Speaker 3: Race, gender, national origin, et cetera.

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Speaker 6: But she is.

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Speaker 7: Probably under a contract. So if that's the case, then

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Speaker 7: they can only terminate her from that contract for just cause.

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Speaker 7: There's got to be a good reason why. And it

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Speaker 7: could be policy, you know, some type of policy being

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Speaker 7: broken obvious, so it could be something illegal, or could

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Speaker 7: just be mismanagement of the you know, the city. So

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Speaker 7: those are things that they're going to be looking for.

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Speaker 7: And you know, the the issue with that too is

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Speaker 7: you know, we do know that crime is up, and

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Speaker 7: we know that violent crime is up. But her Herney

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Speaker 7: said the other day that she's offered to sit down

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Speaker 7: with the mayor and the judges to talk about, you know,

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Speaker 7: these these bonds that are being given because that could

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Speaker 7: be one situation that why crime is up is essentially

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Speaker 7: if someone gets arrested for a violent crime and is

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Speaker 7: back out on the street, you know, a few days later,

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Speaker 7: you know, crime is not going to go away, and

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Speaker 7: and it looks like, you know, an election year you're

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Speaker 7: now having a situation where the that's let's get rid

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Speaker 7: of the police chief, and that's why there's all these

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Speaker 7: problems going on in Cincinnati instead of may be you know, leadership.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you have to be a political analysis

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Speaker 1: supple political mind like like a Willie Conningham, James Carvill

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Speaker 1: or something that right where they for the regular voter,

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Speaker 1: for the rank and five or the typical constitution, what

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Speaker 1: they see this they see right through. And I think

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Speaker 1: every man and woman who doesn't have a jurisd doctorate

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Speaker 1: is not educated in law like like you are, Jason Pillibaum.

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Speaker 1: I mean I look at it and go, they're doing

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Speaker 1: a dirty.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think that's what a lot of people

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Speaker 7: are thinking. Now, you know, play Devil's Advocate for a second.

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00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 7: You know, crime is up. We talked about that. Is

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Speaker 7: there something she should have been doing that she's not?

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Speaker 7: I mean, is she not you know, putting the police

864
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Speaker 7: in the right position. Are her subordinates telling her that,

865
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 7: you know, you should you should put police here, you

866
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 7: should maybe do some kind of burst here, and then

867
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 7: she just decides she's not doing that, and as a result,

868
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 7: you have this issue on Fountain Square you have these

869
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 7: other issues.

870
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: Now that might be a legitimate thing. I mean, and

871
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: maybe that's something we don't know.

872
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 7: Again just playing devil's advocate, But even if you look

873
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 7: at what her attorney said, is the FOP I think

874
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 7: is backing her. So I would think that if her

875
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 7: subordinates were telling her to do things and she was

876
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 7: just flat out of ignoring them, I'm not sure that

877
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 7: they would have that backing that she has.

878
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is attorney Jason Philibaum, the very latest involving

879
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: territory THIJI. Now we're hiring a law from a local

880
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: law from Frost Brown Todd, pretty good firm that they're

881
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: going to do some deep diving and try and find

882
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: out the reasons why they fired her before. Ye as

883
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: you said, you know this is I showed first, asked

884
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: questions later. I guess the Inquirer came out with this

885
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: this morning. The scope of the investigation. This is what

886
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: the lawyers, the team for the city outside council is

887
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: going to investigate. And now there are four prongs to

888
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: this thing. Is she an effective leader and manager of

889
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: the department, including personnel and resources. Is she a leader

890
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: within the context of city government, meaning does she further

891
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: the broader goals and objectives of the administration. Has she

892
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: committed any infraction or positive volition while serving as police chief,

893
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: and did she disregard best practices in the running a

894
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: CPD to the detriment of detriment of public safety and

895
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: crime prevention. Well, let's start with the first one. Is

896
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: she an effective leader and manager of the department, including

897
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,479
Speaker 1: personnel and resources? That seems like an open ended question,

898
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: like if there were problems with her management personnel that

899
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: the previous chief notoriously had issues with that when I

900
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: guess it was before Craig notoriously had problems with that too,

901
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: and it was public so but believing or heard of

902
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: that at Chief Thiji, you know, the rank and file

903
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: were really split on it, really didn't care for her

904
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: all that much. But once they did what they did

905
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: to her, they realized they could come next. And now everyone,

906
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: even her detractors, are supporters, so they rallied them. So

907
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: to look at this and say is she an effective

908
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: leader or manager? You can say that of any boss,

909
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: can't you?

910
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 3: Right? Exactly? And I call that fuzzy math.

911
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 7: You know, that's the law school exam where it depends

912
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 7: on who's paying me. That's the answer I give you. Know,

913
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 7: you're paying me on this one side, I tell you

914
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 7: why she's an effective leader. If you're paying me on

915
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 7: the other side, I'll give you all the reasons why

916
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 7: she's not. I mean that's again, I don't think that's

917
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 7: what this is going to fall down on, because again,

918
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 7: like you said, that is so vague, it's so fuzzy

919
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 7: that you know, if they want to decide that she's

920
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 7: not a good leader, they're gonna they're gonna find reasons

921
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,439
Speaker 7: to justify that, just like if you want to find

922
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 7: that she's a good leader, you'd find the reasons. So,

923
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 7: you know, the first two that you mentioned, those prongs

924
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 7: that those both both are very fuzzy, math fuzzy sort

925
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 7: of law school exams where anyone can answer anything. I

926
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 7: think the crux is going to be number three, which

927
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 7: is is there an infraction?

928
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 3: You know, is there something that she did that she

929
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: not follow a policy.

930
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 7: I don't think there's any allegation of criminal wrongdoing, So

931
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 7: it's going to be something something you know, so minor

932
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 7: that and that's where she's gonna then get into court

933
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 7: and say, look, other people have done you know, other

934
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 7: people forgot to call in on day that they were

935
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 7: taken off and they were allowed to stay. But I'm

936
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 7: getting fired things like that. And then of course number four,

937
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 7: I mean, that's that's I think the one that's a

938
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 7: little bit more serious. You know, there's a problem in

939
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 7: Cincinnati with crime. Whose fault is it? Is it the mayors?

940
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 7: Is that the judges? Is it the police chief?

941
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: You know? Is it society? I mean, what's the problem?

942
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 7: And I think it'd be interesting to see if there's

943
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 7: something that she should be doing or something like you said,

944
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 7: best practices that she didn't do. That would be the

945
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 7: one that would you know, sell me yes or no,

946
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 7: as opposed to the other three prongs that you know

947
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 7: they can find out of anybody.

948
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: Now, Jason Philibel, Attorney at Law, Relative to the four

949
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: pillars of this investigation by outside Council for the City

950
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati to towards Terry Thiji, you mentioned number three,

951
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: is she's committed any infraction policy violation while serving as

952
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: a police chief. If she had and it rose to

953
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: the level of an impeachable offense, wouldn't we have heard that?

954
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean, typically, you know, when someone commits a crime,

955
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: let's look at what happened with the NBA recently. What

956
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: happened was Cashpttel. The FBI held a press conference, they

957
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: had the evidence. They made the charge that Okay, here's

958
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: we're coming at these individuals. We're going after Chauncey Belcher,

959
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: going after other individuals because this is the as.

960
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 2: We have in this case.

961
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 1: They're going, well, it'd be like them going, yeah, well,

962
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: we're suspending Chauncey pillops, and now we're going to do

963
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: an investigation to find out what he did wrong. That's

964
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: the problem with this is that if you in any

965
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: other case, with due process, and I think it applies

966
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: you to a degree that if you commit an infraction,

967
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: you make those charges allegations, you suspend them all, you

968
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: investigate the scope and the depth, and then eventually you

969
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: terminate that person because now you've gathered the evidence.

970
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: This is completely the opposite of that, right, And.

971
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 7: That's why I think a lot of people look at

972
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 7: this and say that's not fair. You know, you don't

973
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 7: arrest somebody and say, go find me a crime. The

974
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 7: crimes committed, then you arrest them, and then you either

975
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 7: investigate further or prove or disprove.

976
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 3: That it happened.

977
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 7: What's not fair is to essentially take someone out of

978
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 7: a position and look for something that they did wrong.

979
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 3: And you know, I.

980
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 7: Would think, you know, if they did something wrong, you

981
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 7: wouldn't have the city manager talking about what a great

982
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 7: thirty five years and what a great person this is

983
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 7: and we wish you the best. I think I think

984
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 7: that was the statement when they put her on leave,

985
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 7: is you know, what a great sellar career. If there's

986
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 7: truly an infraction worthy of dismissal, that's not the statement.

987
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 3: You put out there.

988
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 7: So that tells me they probably don't know if there's one,

989
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 7: and they're now looking for one so they can hang

990
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 7: their hat on it.

991
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

992
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, our tires at nineteen ninety eight, we're touching a

993
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: handicapped spot. Accidentally, she didn't close the cover before striking

994
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: when she was trying to light a candle some matches,

995
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: and she tore the mattress tag offer her ceiling. Those

996
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: don't rise to levels. The reason you get fired because

997
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 1: everyone does that.

998
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 7: Right exactly exactly, and that's what they're that's what they're

999
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 7: looking for now again so they can find it for

1000
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 7: cause now I think again, the legitimate, legitimate, investigation would

1001
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 7: be number four. But again that's not something that I

1002
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 7: would do. Post termination or in this case just suspension.

1003
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 7: Is what is she doing wrong? Why is the city

1004
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 7: you know, and maybe that's a good investigation, you know,

1005
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 7: find to tell me why Cincinnati crime was going up?

1006
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 7: And see if we but to sit there and take

1007
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 7: the police chief out and then do that investigation.

1008
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 6: That seems again putting a little bit of the cart

1009
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:16,479
Speaker 6: before the horse.

1010
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: Well it seems like, you know, they're turning under a stone,

1011
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: the stone over, but when they kick the stone, a

1012
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: lot of things are going to run. I wonder how

1013
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: much of those those bugs come back to bite after

1014
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: a pureval Because two and four of this four pillar

1015
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: investigation by Brown Frost Todd is she too is is

1016
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: she a leader within the context of city government, meaning

1017
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: furthering the broader goals and objects of the city administration?

1018
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: Number four is did she regard best practices in the

1019
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: running of CPD. I don't know if that's just best

1020
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: practices by police standards, pot of standards or best practices

1021
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: is set forth by number two the administration. Because that's

1022
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: the sticky part is when she interviewed for this job

1023
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: three years ago, Jason Philabmama was looking at some of

1024
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: the interviews she did. She said her biggest priority was

1025
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 1: to continued diversity, equity, and inclusion within the Cincinnati Police Department,

1026
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: how to lift people up. And she also had to

1027
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,479
Speaker 1: get the blessing and interview essentially with Iris Rawley, who

1028
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: we've seen in recent time investigated and get herself involved

1029
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: between a suspect a subject who was being arrested for

1030
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: violating probation and was essentially interfering with the business of

1031
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: a police officer. She had an interview with her to

1032
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: get this job in the first place. So when I

1033
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: hear that and then see what's happened with owner cognisance

1034
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: people cutting their ankle monitor off and there's no repercussion

1035
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: from the court for that essentially doing what they say

1036
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: they weren't going to do, literally within minutes of leaving.

1037
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: The people who have been jammed up and all this

1038
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: high profile violence save maybe the brawl, there's other factors

1039
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 1: in there, and how that was handled as a nightmare

1040
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: that wasn't on the chief, but everything else was. Like

1041
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: people who had violent prior criminal offenses that were precluded

1042
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 1: from having a gun because they're under disability. By law,

1043
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: it's not her to set those policies. That's on the mayor.

1044
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: So they're doing this investigation. I wonder how much of

1045
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: this this is going to come back and implicate have

1046
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: to apeer, volunteer a loan.

1047
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree, And if you look at I think

1048
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 7: the mayor put out a statement. He put out a

1049
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 7: statement that he had nothing to do with his firing. Again,

1050
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 7: I find that to be maybe a little disingenuous, because

1051
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 7: why in the world would a city manager three weeks

1052
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 7: before an election terminate your female police chief without talking

1053
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 7: to the mayor. That would be a very dumb move.

1054
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 7: So I would think that there was a discussion ahead

1055
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 7: of time. But like you said, there's a lot of

1056
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 7: factors to consider. You know, is she pushing dei and

1057
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 7: that's why there's not enough police on the street.

1058
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 6: Maybe that's a legitimate decision.

1059
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 7: To you know, talk about whether that's.

1060
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 3: The appropriate way to handle policing.

1061
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 7: You know, but recently the city also engaged in a

1062
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 7: federal settlement where they are changing the way they're policing.

1063
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that could be a very real reason

1064
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 3: for why things are.

1065
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 7: Going up, you know, having bonds like you said, someone

1066
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 7: that commits a violent crime and has let out, Hey,

1067
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 7: that's the that's not on the police issue.

1068
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 3: That's not on her Exactly.

1069
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: I could see if she's falsifying reports and people aren't

1070
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: showing up, and she's backdating payroll. I mean, those are

1071
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: the things you're definitely going to get you and should

1072
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: get you fired. But essentially, the vision by this administration

1073
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: is criminals are victims too, has led us to this point.

1074
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: That's not on Terry Thiji. That's on the people who

1075
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: hire Terry Thiji.

1076
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 3: Exactly.

1077
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 7: As I said at the beginning of this talk, it

1078
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 7: sounds to me like a scapegoat. It sounds to me like,

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00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 7: you know, we're two weeks out from an election, and

1080
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 7: I've got to tell the people that there's a problem,

1081
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 7: and I fixed the problem. And now, by the way,

1082
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 7: that's hired these really good attorneys to go in there

1083
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 7: and find out what the problem was, and then I

1084
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,959
Speaker 7: can match it up and say, hey, did a good job,

1085
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 7: which of course won't come out until after the election. Anyway,

1086
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 7: it's going to take two three months to do a

1087
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 7: thorough investigation, whether it's legitimate or whether it's brought up

1088
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 7: after the facts. So I don't think we're going to

1089
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 7: know anything. We'll probably januinely.

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00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 1: After the election. Of course, that's what this is about

1091
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,720
Speaker 1: buying some time for the election. But it really doesn't

1092
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: because it makes them looking competent and stupid and not

1093
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: the first time either. I would also add this finally,

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00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: Jason Philibama, attorney at law, if you're representing, if you're

1095
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: on Team Fiji, are your eyes now glazing over with

1096
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: the millions and millions of dollars would possibly be getting it?

1097
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: Because quite honestly, the way this whole thing was executed,

1098
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: it's seemingly, in addition to the two hundred K she's making,

1099
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: could wind up getting a help of payout to sign

1100
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: a non disclosure agreement because if she doesn't sign an NDA,

1101
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: don't force an NDA, then then she can roll over

1102
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: on this administration and really let the go seut and

1103
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: they don't want that.

1104
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1105
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 7: Yes, her attorney's firm is well known for suing cities

1106
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 7: and municipalities and going after them and then you know,

1107
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 7: that's been a lot of expensive lawsuits and if they

1108
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 7: if they end up getting, you know, something that they

1109
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 7: can hang their hat on, then you've got attorney fees

1110
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 7: in play, and that's a pretty penny that.

1111
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 3: The Cincinnati have to pay out. So yeah, there's there's

1112
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 3: My guess is there's going to be.

1113
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 7: A settlement some way through the process, because otherwise it's

1114
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:05,720
Speaker 7: going to be expensive for somebody.

1115
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1116
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1117
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: If the Finny law firm were like the Bengals defense,

1118
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be having conversations about not making the playoffs

1119
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: and firing coaches, if you know what I mean, because

1120
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: they are tenacious. If anything, he is attorney Jason Phillibaum

1121
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: a private practice of course, attorney himself, just kind of

1122
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: a different view, a different set of eyes on this

1123
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: issue right now because it doesn't pass my sniff test,

1124
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: and it certainly doesn't pass Jason's either. Jason, all the best, buddy,

1125
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: thanks for jumping on this morning.

1126
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

1127
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 2: Thank you over at Jonas and Philibaum. Thanks again.

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Speaker 1: Quick time out, we'll get a news update. And the

1129
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: controversy that they wish we're kind I hate when like

1130
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: we've got enough controversy in the world. What is controversial

1131
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: about what's happening at the White House relative to the

1132
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: East Wing, Because it feels like people are pushing this

1133
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: narrative like we should be all worked up into a

1134
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: froth about this, and I just maybe it's just me.

1135
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: I don't see it, and I'll tell you why next

1136
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW. One of the big stories this week

1137
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: is the demolition of the East Wing of the White House.

1138
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: With the government shutdown, with the snap benefits in getting

1139
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: cut and FAA and executive orders and effectless Congress and

1140
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: our deficit and debt growing exponentially and so much more going,

1141
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: does anyone actually give a fly and bleep about the

1142
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 1: East Wing demolition? I mean, you talk about a story

1143
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 1: to me that is just I don't know. It feels

1144
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: like it's like the no Kings people pressing this entire story.

1145
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 8: You see what he's doing, you see I don't know,

1146
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 8: As you know, I have some issues with Trump specifically,

1147
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 8: you know, the executive power, the spending of money we

1148
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 8: don't have, the tariffs and where they're going, what's going

1149
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 8: on with healthcare.

1150
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 2: There's like a thousand other.

1151
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: Questions out ask Trump and question what he's doing and

1152
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: the motives behind it. Not so much with the East Wing,

1153
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: Like I just legitimally don't care. I know the timing

1154
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: sucks with this cutdown and the shutdown and the cuts

1155
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 1: and all the time you get.

1156
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 2: The timing sucks.

1157
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: But you know when you sign a construction demo contract

1158
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: and you get as you know, after the anchors dried,

1159
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, you move forward with the project.

1160
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: You don't really have a choice. I carry you.

1161
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things with the executive branch and

1162
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 1: executive power I care about more, much, much more than

1163
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: the East Wing. This is not on the radar, but

1164
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,320
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by all the gnashing of teeth and crying

1165
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: about it. Is that, Well, what are they upset about? Well,

1166
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: they're taking this historic part of the it's the people's house.

1167
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 1: It's the people's and they're destroying it. They wiped out

1168
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: the entirety of the historic East Wing. Is it really

1169
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: that historic? Because it was Teddy Roosevelt.

1170
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 2: That built the East Wing.

1171
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: It's not exactly going back to Washington, it's not going

1172
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: back to seventeen ninety two here now. Granted, has a

1173
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: lot of history occurred in there, and they had to

1174
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: cut some trees down there after presidents. I get that,

1175
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: but is it really like you're destroyed? It didn't like

1176
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: take the White House and Clee level of put a

1177
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: Trump hotel up. Okay, that that would be outrageous, but

1178
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: the East wing in and of itself put into context,

1179
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: here's the silliicity argument. So the White House is about

1180
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: fifty five thousand square feet fifty five thousand square feet, which.

1181
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: Is like the size of.

1182
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I was gonna say, like it's smaller than

1183
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: a wal Mart for crying out loud. It's six stories,

1184
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: there's one hundred and thirty two rooms. There are thirty

1185
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: five bathrooms. So if you got a pee, White House

1186
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: would be a good place to be. Comparatively speaking, if

1187
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: you look at comparable places, I guess in democracy, Buckingham

1188
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: Palace comes to mind, grants the palace the King, but

1189
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: that is essentially fifteen times larger than the White House.

1190
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: Now there is ten Downing Street. Downing Street is where

1191
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: the PM is, and that's about thirty eight hundred scriff.

1192
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: It's an apartment, basically, it's townhouse. It's about less than

1193
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: ten percent the size the White House. But again that's

1194
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: the figure out. It's a prime minister, primacy, important job.

1195
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: But you know it's about royalty, the British throne, so

1196
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: bucking and you know, okay, you've got Downing the street,

1197
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 1: but you think of that as the center of democracy

1198
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: for the government of the UK, for the British government.

1199
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: But Buckingham Palace, if you've ever been there, I've toured

1200
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: it on the outside anyway, changing the garden all that,

1201
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: it's massive. It's fifteen times besize the White House. The

1202
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: Rostra Parti of Bevon in India is about two hundred

1203
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: thousand square feet. So what's that four times is four

1204
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: times is the large of the White House. So comparatively speaking,

1205
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: the White House is kind of like in the middle.

1206
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: It's very mid as far as the size of the

1207
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: executive branches of government. But it's hard to compare to

1208
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know the Kremlin. It's hard to

1209
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: compare to other forms of government and what their I

1210
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: guess their palace would be the version of their White House,

1211
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: if you want to call it that. So it's kind

1212
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: of hard to compare because you have different types of governments.

1213
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: So here the White House kind of like modest size.

1214
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: It's like a modest sized building. And okay, I put

1215
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: this in perspective right because in America, we ft we

1216
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: love space, you know, so they'll remodel pay Course stadium. Well,

1217
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: they gonna they're gonna put smaller seats, and no, they're

1218
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: gonna put bigger seats. If you've ever gone to a

1219
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: place where I mean it's old, old and they haven't

1220
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: updated on anything, you realize so quickly how uncomfortably crowded

1221
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: it is because it's built for smaller people. Today we

1222
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: get you know, when Teddy Roosevelt puts this thing, then

1223
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: the population was much much less and therefore fewer people

1224
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: would be gathered to the White House. And so if

1225
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: you just look at some and oh, here's what we've

1226
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: lost at the East Wing, I'm looking at pictures going

1227
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: that place was way overdue to be blown up. Then

1228
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: the East Wing had a movie theater, the Presidential theaters there,

1229
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: and there's pictures. Oh my god, look at this historic

1230
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: area that for the last roughly one hundred years. It's

1231
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: one hundred years old. The itself is like literally four

1232
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: seats across, and then they have like some folding chairs

1233
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: in the back. It looks janky as hell. They have

1234
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: this image they keep showing Obama is running bow his

1235
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: dog at the time when he was a puppy, And

1236
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: they have another image there I guess from that would

1237
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: be looked like the sixties or seventies where they had

1238
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: all these garish looking red Christmas trees up and then

1239
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: the main Christmas room mult they call it Christmas tree

1240
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: at the end.

1241
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 2: Of the hall.

1242
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,439
Speaker 1: But if you'd have walked down the middle of that,

1243
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: you'd have to kind of swivel your hips. You'd have

1244
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: to kind of do the side by side wall, you know,

1245
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: like swing your hips through to not hit the Christmas

1246
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: tree on your left and right to get down that

1247
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: hall like it's that narrow, like could only be maybe

1248
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five feet across.

1249
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 2: The real problem is hosting an event.

1250
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: And I talked to someone who used to work in

1251
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: the White House in news and news media and said, yeah,

1252
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:50,959
Speaker 1: you know, you don't really see it on TV because

1253
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: it all the airs of the White House. You may

1254
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: get the tour and everything, but the day to day,

1255
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: the operational the executive mansion is different than what we're

1256
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: talking about where stuff gets done, and it is the

1257
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: tour cramped, like there's a room for nothing there. It's

1258
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: it's so small and you've got so many people. We've

1259
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: added bodies, people have gotten bigger. You've had a more job,

1260
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: more titles and jobs and that adds to the bloat

1261
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: and size of government. And the White House essentially functionally

1262
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: has stayed the same, and so I kind of get

1263
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: that that if you add on this this which dwarfs

1264
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: the White House, it does look it does make it

1265
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: look like a double take. But you know, to have

1266
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: a ballroom that size seems about right in a sense

1267
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: because you're hosting all of these world leaders and all

1268
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: these events, where in the past you could have a

1269
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: few of them in there, but largely you had overflow

1270
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: and the tents on the outside. It was just it's

1271
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: not laid out very well. And so if you have

1272
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: a building that's that old and that small, I kind

1273
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: of get it, you know. And the other element here

1274
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: too is Truman is the one who really brought this

1275
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: thing into the twentieth century. It was a huge renovation

1276
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: that lasted like four year, made major changes. But even

1277
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: since the Truman renovation, because the White House was starting

1278
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: to fall apart, you know, Jackie Kennedy put the rosegard

1279
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: Trump leveled the rose gardens. But okay, well, what was

1280
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: the rose garden before Jackie Kennedy or you know, Gerald

1281
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: Ford added a swimming pool? Okay, what was that before

1282
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: he had to knock some trees down to do that.

1283
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: Nixon converted the swimming pool into the briefing room, so

1284
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,520
Speaker 1: he changed that and added a bowling alley. By the way,

1285
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think the bowling always there and

1286
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: something else now. So each administration is coming and done

1287
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: something sizeably markedly different. Then now this is huge compared

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Speaker 1: But if you think about those changes in context, this

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01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: looks about right. Like I can't help but think if

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Speaker 1: you know, there's another term of Biden, let's say, or

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Speaker 1: come on and they decid, Yeah, you know what, It's

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Speaker 1: just it doesn't serve our needs. We need to We

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Speaker 1: didn't make this place bigger because we're having a lot

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Speaker 1: of state dinners, we're having events that require a lot

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Speaker 1: more people there. We need more space. And even in

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Speaker 1: our daily lives as Americans, you know, look at how

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Speaker 1: the size of the house you grew up in verse

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Speaker 1: unless you live on the West Side, doesn't matter. It's

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Speaker 1: the same house, but the house you grew up, and

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01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: how much different in your house is today, how much

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Speaker 1: more space you have. When I first uh started dating Michelle,

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Speaker 1: and I think where I actually married at the time

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01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: she and I grew up in Buffalo, New York, and

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01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: so we were back visiting and like you know, showing around,

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01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, you do that thing you show you grew

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01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 1: up and stuff like that, and literally the house that

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01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: we grew up and I was a kid, like, man, okay,

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01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: this is the house I grew up in. We drove

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01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: past it because I knew the address, knew exactly where

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Speaker 1: it was, and I drew past it because I didn't

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Speaker 1: recognize it. I'm like, wait a minute, hold on, just

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Speaker 1: a second. Like my mom, my dad, me and my

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01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: brother and my little brother three three, we lived in

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Speaker 1: that house, Like how did we fit in there? In

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01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 1: the backyard, I remember, it's me a massive, huge backyard.

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Speaker 2: It was tiny.

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Speaker 1: And so that's true. Right, we move on, we would

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Speaker 1: get bigger things. Americans like bigger. We like more space.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how in the play to the East

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Speaker 1: Room of the White House, and you know, it's one

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Speaker 1: of those things where and I've been critical of Trump,

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01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: but I get critical of things like he can control

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01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: and what he told us and what he's not doing,

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01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: and the government getting bigger and being more irresponsible, not

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01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: more responsible, and doing stupid things and missteps and all

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01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: those things. That's all fair, but this apocalyptic coverage of

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01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 1: the dismissed the we're dismantling them, destroying the White House,

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01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: the East wing of the White House. It's the worst

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01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: thing ever. It's a it's just a remodel. It's an

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01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: architectural decision. Like there's many of the things I won't

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01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: worry about more in this administration and in politics in general,

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01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: like the shutdown, and the East Wing doesn't even meet that.

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Speaker 1: And I get, you know, it's like, well, we're going

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01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: to make a small change. It turns out next thing,

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Speaker 1: you know, two days later, the entire East Wing has gone.

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Speaker 2: And I get it.

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Speaker 1: The excuse was that while we decided, once we got

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Speaker 1: in there, it's just going to be cheaper and easier

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01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: to knock the whole thing down to build this in

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01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: ninety thousand square football room is in addition, okay, and

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Speaker 1: I think they probab probably knew that going into it,

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01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: but shows selectively to go, oh yeah, we got in

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01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: there and it was a mess, and they said this

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01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: is the easiest thing to do. So it's too late,

1345
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: because you know, if you'd said that weeks prior, someone

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01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 1: to come in and try to stop you know, somebody

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01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: was Chuck Schumer would have chained himself to the east

1348
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: wing to send a message and over my dead body

1349
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: are going to do this kind of you know thing.

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01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: We've seen the taper tantrums before, but it's a three

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars may face. And the other element, too, is

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01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: the concern that corporations are footing the bill for this,

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01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: and how wrong that is it really, because you know,

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01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: I recall every other administration, republic Democrat, they get stuff

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01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: done by going to their donors and benefactors in order

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01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 1: to get stuff done. To me, this is a little

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01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: more refreshing and though, okay, how much is this costing?

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01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,280
Speaker 1: Three hundred million dour but we already have two hundred

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01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: million dollars from big companies that want to do business

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Speaker 1: with the government. Now, if they get a fat contract

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Speaker 1: or something, they certainly there's quid pro crow there and

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01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't look good but countless and this is how

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01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: things work. Option is how things work in our government, sadly,

1364
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: is that you got to pay to play. You got

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01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: to get paid it. Just because you donate I don't know,

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01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: ten or twenty million dollars to this cause doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you're going to get that in return, And most of

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Speaker 1: the experts say, yeah, it's kind of an ongoing process.

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Speaker 1: Like the big boys continually throw money in, which is

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Speaker 1: why they donate to campaign You look at a campaign financing,

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Speaker 1: why did they give equal amounts to Democrats and Republicans

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Speaker 1: or a little more a little less to the side

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01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: of that side. It's because they got to keep everybody happy.

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01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: They got to streat spreading the fat cash around, so

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Speaker 1: they keep everybody happy. This is nothing different. I guess

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01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: the relieving part is like, man, we don't have to

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Speaker 1: pay three hundred million. And I would also point out

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01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: too that from those progressives out there that think this

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01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: is the worst thing ever and why this is so

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01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: wrong because these companies are paying an office. How often

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Speaker 1: do we often we hear about these big companies and

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Speaker 1: the CEO of fat cats, the fat cats, how they

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01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: get those money? They don't pay any taxes? How did

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Speaker 1: they give it anything back? They're a drain on the system.

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Speaker 1: I got to pay tax they don't have.

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Speaker 2: To pay taxes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, if you're giving back this money essentially to

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01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: build a white House, that will be there or east

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Speaker 1: doing that will be there in the future. Isn't that

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01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: kind of giving back? So is it hypocritical for you

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Speaker 1: to talk about the breaks these companies get. These corporations

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Speaker 1: get and they get hand out of hand and they

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01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: don't do anything, but they know they're not paying tax

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01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: and not paying their fair share, and they do something

1395
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: like this. You're also against that, Like, it's not like

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Speaker 1: me and you and a bunch of poor people handing

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01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: money out. It's not like all this three hundred million

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01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 1: is going to come from the tax revenue that we

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Speaker 1: don't have to pay for this. It's being paid for

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Speaker 1: by private donations. Now do they want some trying to

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01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: ingratiate themselves with this administration? There's no question about it.

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Speaker 1: But it's not like Trump invented this. This has been

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Speaker 1: going on since day one and in Congress and in

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Speaker 1: the White House. What how is this any different than

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01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: what previous presidents have done? You know, give it to

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01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: my foundation? It's well, okay, if I'm giving to the

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Speaker 1: I don't know, the Clinton Foundation or the Obama found

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01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 1: or the Biden Foundation. Is how am I not getting

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01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: special treatment there?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Yes?

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Speaker 1: And then then when Republicans do it, democrats yell. And

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01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: then when Democrats do it. Republicans yell, I get that,

1413
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 1: but you know, to me, it seems like we're winning

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01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: because literally the companies are paying for this, the same

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01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: companies who say don't pay their fair share. Don't understand.

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Speaker 1: I'll get a news update in about five here on

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Speaker 1: seven hundred, ww whos Scott's Loan Show? And Winter Turn

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01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: eleven oh seven. Here's a conversation that normally I would

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Speaker 1: not want to have with this person. Nick Crossley is

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Speaker 1: the Hamlin County director for the Emergency Management Association or agency.

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Speaker 1: I guess it would be here in Hamlin County.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Normally, if I have Nick Crossley on, it's because all

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01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: halls breaking losts we have a flood, we have tornadoes,

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01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 1: have an earthquake, we have a forest fire. I don't

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01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: know if we have a forest fire maybe the mount

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01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: Airy Forest, I don't know. But nonetheless, he is the

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01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: guy who heads up our emergency management agency. Don't want

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01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: to have Nick Crossley on the radio because I mean,

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01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: stuff's going down, if you know what I mean. This

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01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 1: time I did, though he's in DC and here's how

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01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: jacked up FEMA is. Speaking of things we should pay

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Speaker 1: attention to, not so much the East Wing of the

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Speaker 1: White House.

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Speaker 2: Did you know this that.

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01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: A lot of areas of the country who have to

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01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: get FEMA money. Now we've got some from flooding and

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01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: stuff like that, but they're like, I think like a

1439
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: third I got the numbers here in the second or there.

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01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,599
Speaker 1: I think it's almost like a third of the counties

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01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: in the United States something like that get a billion

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01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 1: dollars or more in FEMA relief last year or the

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01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: last couple of years. Goes to show you just how

1444
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,759
Speaker 1: many problems we have when it comes to natural disasters

1445
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 1: and the like that we need the money for that.

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01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: A lot of these communities, and this would be Hammelin County,

1447
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: Butler County, Warren County, and Campbell and Canon Counties for

1448
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 1: that matter, of Switzerland County.

1449
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 2: That if you had natural disaster, you'd actually.

1450
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: Have to go borrow money, borrow the money to foot

1451
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: the bill for the for the emergency relief from FEMA

1452
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 1: until the FEMA check comes in, and then you pay

1453
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,800
Speaker 1: the bank back with interest. So wait a minute, double hit,

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01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: I gotta pay interest in the marrio at Bauer.

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01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 2: I thought FEMA was there for that.

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01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: They're looking to reform the whole system as the point,

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01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 1: and he's in d C four that's important. It's one

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01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: of those things where like I don't really care, well,

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01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: you know what, if it hit the fan, then you'd care.

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01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: And now's the time. And we talked about government being

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01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: reactive not proactive. Fortunately, people like Nick and the other

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01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 1: people that are on this task force going to d C.

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Speaker 1: And he's in DC right now. As he will tell you,

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Speaker 1: this is important. We got to do this now because

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01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 1: FEMA is really screwed up. We got to make the

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01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: process easier, not harder, if and when a natural disaster

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Speaker 1: hits our area here in southwest Ohio. He is next

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Speaker 1: on the show right after News on the Home of

1469
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: the best boundals coverage seven hundred WWT since then towards

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Speaker 1: the US.

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Speaker 2: If you look at it, go back.

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Speaker 1: In the year that we have all the numbers, and

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Speaker 1: on twenty twenty three, about a third of all US counties,

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01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:48,799
Speaker 1: a third of US counties experience at least one federally

1475
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:52,440
Speaker 1: declared disaster exceeding a billion dollars in damage. That is incredible.

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01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: Think about that, a third of all counties in the

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Speaker 1: United States of America.

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Speaker 2: Every year.

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Speaker 1: We're pretty lucky here in Southwest Ohio, Indiana can. But

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01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: if and when we need help, there's horror stories about

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01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: the process of getting relief from FEMA. Nick Crossley is

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01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: the Hamlin County Director of Emergency Management. He is in

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01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 1: DC right now part of a task force meeting with

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01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: federal leaders about disaster reformed.

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Speaker 6: Nick.

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01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 2: Welcome, how are you. Oh, I'm doing great.

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01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 3: I'm doing great.

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01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 6: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: All right, on this topic, this may be the one

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01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 1: time where I would like to talk to you. Typically

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01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: in the course of your job as the head of

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01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: the emergency management of Hamlin County, I would not want

1493
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: to talk to you. So if I have to talk

1494
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: to Nick Crossley, We've got problems, you know what I'm saying.

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01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 3: I do, I do.

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01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 2: Wait, We're pretty lucky.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the weather's pretty temperate here is

1498
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: save maybe some tornadoes, I suppose, earthquake, But as far

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Speaker 1: as the rest of America goes, we don't have to

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Speaker 1: worry about fires and hurricanes and stuff like that.

1501
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 6: We're pretty good, well, we do, although we do have

1502
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 6: what are called Duratio events, which are high land you know,

1503
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 6: several years ago, around eight it caused the power outage

1504
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 6: of over one hundred thousand people. Remember that we have

1505
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,799
Speaker 6: the river flood. It flooded just this last March, caused

1506
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 6: several hundred thousand dollars worth of damage along the river.

1507
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,879
Speaker 6: And then of course we're starting to have more higher

1508
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 6: impact snow events and then of course extreme heat. So

1509
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 6: it's pretty much it's pretty much year round for Hamilton County.

1510
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: But comparatively with those third of counties think it a

1511
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: billion dollars in damage, We're not anywhere near that amount,

1512
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: thank god. What is the doomsday scenario that you prepare for?

1513
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: You know, maybe flooding, extensive flooding. I suppose a big

1514
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: wind event, but that's kind of temporary blizzard And okay,

1515
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: we might get a blizzard as we did back in

1516
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: the eighties. But what's the one thing You're like, Wow,

1517
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 1: if this hits, we're in trouble. What would it be?

1518
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing is similar to what happened

1519
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 6: in Montgomery County a couple of years ago on Mother's Day,

1520
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 6: which would be that large scale, multi vortex, multi county

1521
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:49,879
Speaker 6: tornado that would come through. Because of our population density,

1522
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 6: you're we're pretty much completely developed in Hamilton County almost,

1523
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 6: and so if anything like that happened in Hamilton County,

1524
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 6: we would have incredible both initial the initial response would

1525
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 6: be intense with trying to help rescue people, and then

1526
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 6: of course the short term stabilization if we have Friday

1527
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 6: Ay temporary housing, and then a court long term recovery,

1528
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 6: which would be one of the most challenging things. And

1529
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 6: long term, both short and long term recovery is where

1530
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 6: working with our state and federal partners comes really into

1531
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 6: play to ensure that we have a system nationally that

1532
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,879
Speaker 6: can assist the county in its recovery.

1533
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was thinking as you're talking there, Nick,

1534
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: the seventy four Xenia tornadoes. Some people like a xenio

1535
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: iiO flattened to decimated, but there are several touching down

1536
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: in and around cbg SO and much less populated than

1537
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: seventy four than it is today. But imagine having those

1538
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: kind of tornadoes in Hamblin County. The results would be

1539
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: absolutely mind boggling as far as the death and devastation go. Nick,

1540
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: You're in DC right now with this task force and

1541
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 1: it's the reform or an introduced I guess reform, but

1542
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: it's the FEMA Act.

1543
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 3: What is that?

1544
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 2: What's that do.

1545
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:01,759
Speaker 6: So the FEMA Act is really attempt to work with Congress,

1546
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 6: and it is they're looking for a companion bill in

1547
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 6: the Senate, but so it has passed the House committee.

1548
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 6: It's an attempt to fix the system, reform the system,

1549
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 6: not do away with the system, both including FEMA and

1550
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 6: the system as a whole. And so what it would

1551
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 6: do is, oftentimes counties post disaster have to find the money,

1552
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 6: borrow the money, front the money to pay for disaster

1553
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 6: recovery and then eventually, within months or years, you finally

1554
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 6: get reimbursed by the federal government if you get a

1555
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 6: federal declaration. And so what this would do is it

1556
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 6: would turn it more into a Once you create the

1557
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 6: estimate of what it's going to cost the recovery, FEMA

1558
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:48,560
Speaker 6: would provide grants immediately, so that because every government struggles

1559
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 6: depending on I mean you're talking hundreds of millions of

1560
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 6: dollars that the government would have to find to pay

1561
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 6: for these projects upfront. So it would reform that process.

1562
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,719
Speaker 6: It would also for survivors of disag or is create

1563
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:04,680
Speaker 6: one application for all There's dozens of programs available to

1564
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 6: people post disaster, So this would create one application that

1565
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,839
Speaker 6: would go to all the agencies and the other entities

1566
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 6: that assist so that they don't have to go to

1567
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 6: multiple websites or multiple phone calls. Another thing that it

1568
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 6: does is it provides a loan interest payment release, so

1569
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 6: if the government does have to take out a loan,

1570
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 6: that you can claim that interest as part of the

1571
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 6: reimbursement from the federal government. And then finally it works

1572
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 6: with FEMA to create a public facing dashboard. So this

1573
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 6: is the accountability piece, the transparency piece, so that people

1574
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 6: can see where the funding is going, what their government

1575
01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 6: is receiving, and what their government is spending and on.

1576
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 6: So that's really really important with public assistance.

1577
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're advocating for universal disaster application, that makes sense.

1578
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: You should be a portal. You go in, you fill

1579
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 1: it out, and all the agencies go to there to

1580
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: get the information they need. The fact that you have

1581
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: to go to each individual agency for aid is at

1582
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:00,839
Speaker 1: this day and age is insane.

1583
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 6: Correct with with the advent of speaking candidly with AI

1584
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 6: and other things that can analyze data and really help

1585
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 6: you walk through which programs you're eligible for, whether it's

1586
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 6: a loan or it's a grant, that's critical to residents,

1587
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 6: and and and our our citizens are already stressed out

1588
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 6: from having their property damage or maybe that maybe they've

1589
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,839
Speaker 6: gotten hurt or family members have died in the disaster.

1590
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 6: So this is one way that the federal government can

1591
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 6: assist with relieving that stress and trying to help our

1592
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:33,759
Speaker 6: residents recover.

1593
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: Does this suggest the fact that we've got to reform this?

1594
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 1: Nick Rossley, that counties don't know where their applications stand

1595
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: in the whole process right now, are you just like

1596
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: kind of left in the dark.

1597
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 6: It's it's a it's a tedious process to be to

1598
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 6: be candid, and it always has been. And I don't

1599
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 6: know that that's if anybody's fault per se, because you know,

1600
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 6: you have to have accountability while you're asking for these funds.

1601
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 6: But I think one of the key things to point

1602
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 6: out is that federal declarations are the are the are

1603
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 6: the one percent, if you will, of declarations send it

1604
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 6: out across the country. Most disasters in the US never

1605
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 6: qualify for state or federal assistance. And so when you're

1606
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:15,840
Speaker 6: when you're talking about this kind of event, this is

1607
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 6: the extreme. This is the Montgomery tornado on Mother's Day

1608
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,719
Speaker 6: a few years ago, This is the both Montgomery County

1609
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 6: a few years ago on Mother's Day and then of

1610
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 6: course the city of Montgomery Tornado a few years several

1611
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 6: years ago.

1612
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 2: What a couple of I think.

1613
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 6: You yeah, nine nine, you're right. And so these are

1614
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 6: that level of disasters. So you have both extreme impacts

1615
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 6: to your residents and your citizens, and you have extreme

1616
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 6: impacts to the local governments. And a major disaster can

1617
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 6: cripple a local government. And so this is an attempt

1618
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 6: to work with Congress on a reform process because there

1619
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 6: is a role for the federal government in helping our

1620
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 6: communities recover from disasters. I mean, as you know, these

1621
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,719
Speaker 6: are our tax dollars that we're using to help communities recover.

1622
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 6: And and and in my belief this is this is

1623
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 6: why one of them we formed a union, you know,

1624
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 6: two hundred and fifty years ago for many reasons. One

1625
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 6: of them was in bad times as well as good

1626
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 6: And this is why this declaration process is critical. And

1627
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 6: a FEMA is really critical to the country's resilience.

1628
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 2: Does this and FEMA is one thing, but what about

1629
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 2: mutual aid? Does that impact that at all?

1630
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 6: It's it's not really impacting this. So mutual aid is

1631
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 6: that initial response I was talking about, and that's where

1632
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 6: we all come together, our forty nine communities, in our

1633
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 6: in our local neighboring counties, and also the states that

1634
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 6: if we need that immediate response, that mutual aid is

1635
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 6: virtually automatic to make sure that we can rescue people

1636
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 6: and get them out of harm's way. This is more

1637
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 6: looking at the short and long term recovery, so that

1638
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 6: so that communities and our residents can recover hopefully as

1639
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 6: quickly as possible.

1640
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:59,120
Speaker 1: Nick Crosley's the Hamlin County Director of Emergency Management Director

1641
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: Emergency mand for him. Counties in DC part of the

1642
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 1: task force to try and reform FEMA because third of

1643
01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 1: all US counties have experienced this is twenty twenty three,

1644
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,759
Speaker 1: one third of all counties in the United States experienced

1645
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,719
Speaker 1: at least one federally declared disaster that exceeded a billion

1646
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: dollars in damage. To put that in perspective in today's dollars,

1647
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 1: the Xenia tornadoes from seventy four would be well over

1648
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 1: one point five billion dollars today in today's dollars. To

1649
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: show you the scope of this thing, and that's happening

1650
01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: in a third of all counties, which is mind boggling itself,

1651
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: and it sounds like based on a whole bunch of factors,

1652
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: weather change included that these things are getting more frequent

1653
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 1: and more intense.

1654
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 6: Oh definitely, And I think again also the density of

1655
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 6: Hamilton County today versus the Montgomery twenty ninety nine versus

1656
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 6: other disasters that we've had, everything is impounded. And then

1657
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 6: of course in today's world, with the cost of goods

1658
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 6: and other things going up, in the cost of flavor,

1659
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 6: it's even more increased. And so it's critical that we

1660
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 6: share this recovery process with our federal and state partners.

1661
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: Well, Nick, you're calling for this reform right now, but

1662
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: disaster damages are closing in on two hundred billion dollars right

1663
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 1: now and that number continues to climb for the reasons

1664
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: we talked about. Is FEMA even equipped to handle all this?

1665
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 6: Oh, I definitely thin because when you think FEMA, you

1666
01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 6: think of the entire federal government. It's the same thing

1667
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 6: with the county has an Emergency Management Agency, but that's

1668
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 6: that's ten people the county. The agency works with all

1669
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 6: of the other agencies and departments in county government and

1670
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 6: state to respond to a disaster. It's the same thing

1671
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 6: with FEMA. So FEMA has X amount of staff, X

1672
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 6: amount of programs, but it works with the entire federal

1673
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 6: infrastructure and then of course with Congress to allocate the funds.

1674
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 6: So I think they're more than capable of it. I

1675
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 6: think that it is definitely time for some when we've

1676
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 6: been calling these for these reforms for many, many years,

1677
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 6: that we have an opportunity here with the Fixing FEMA,

1678
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 6: Fixing Emergency Management for Americans Act, the FEMA Act, that

1679
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 6: to make these changes and make the process more streamlining,

1680
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 6: more helpful to at the end of the day, the

1681
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,560
Speaker 6: local residents and governments of the United States.

1682
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: In the reality is we just said, I think it

1683
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 1: was Michigan and Wisconsin I believe that had their FEMA

1684
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 1: disaster claims denied long after the event occurred. And is

1685
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: that because of the reform we want here? Is that

1686
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 1: part of it?

1687
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,799
Speaker 6: So you know they if you're talking about the recent denials,

1688
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 6: I mean, so it's either one of two things. It's

1689
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 6: usually because the the you have to reach a certain level,

1690
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 6: so there's a dollar amount you have to reach and

1691
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 6: damage and affects the citizens residents, and if you don't

1692
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 6: hit that, then you don't qualify for the federal decoration.

1693
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 6: Which is why most disasters are not assisted by FEMA.

1694
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,879
Speaker 6: They don't they don't receive federal dollars for the recovery.

1695
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 6: For example, the flood we had in March did not

1696
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 6: did not reach the level of federal assistance. But I

1697
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 6: think that here recently there has been and more of

1698
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 6: a push to push that responsibility down to the local government.

1699
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 6: And obviously that's debatable whether or not whether or not

1700
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 6: they should do that, but but I think again there's

1701
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 6: a role that if we meet the statutory requirements to

1702
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 6: receive a federal decoration, that we should states should receive

1703
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 6: that federal declaration.

1704
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: Nick Crosley, head of the Hamlet County EMA here, is

1705
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: in d C lobbying the federal government to approve the

1706
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: FEMA Act FEMA Reform Act, that is going to streamline

1707
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 1: the process here to make it easier and quicker to

1708
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: get relief from damages when indeed, we have a natural disaster,

1709
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 1: and that could be here in Hamlin County, tornado, flood,

1710
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 1: possibly an earthquake, who knows we're near a fault line

1711
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: at any of that could possibly happen. But you're doing

1712
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 1: this the same time the government shut down?

1713
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Speaker 3: Does that?

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01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 2: How do those two things work?

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01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:48,679
Speaker 3: Well?

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01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 6: So you know, while the members are not in session,

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01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 6: they are on the hill, and so I have meetings

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01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 6: set up with Senator Marino's office and centat Houston's office,

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01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 6: and we'll be stopping by and chatting with them about

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01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 6: the the FEMA Formact. So they're all still here working

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01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:12,679
Speaker 6: and so we just wanted to have that conversation while.

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01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 3: We were here.

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01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've had criticism about FEMA's response times in bureaucracy.

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01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: And that's one thing for a government to Hamlin County,

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01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati, State of Ohio. But when it's me,

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01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:26,719
Speaker 1: it's my house, my domicile and it's damaged that that's

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01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: the taxpayer right. And again I'll have these agencies looking

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01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: out for you. But that's that's a concern. It's the

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01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:35,679
Speaker 1: big bottleneck. Have you experiencing things personally in the course

1730
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: of doing your job.

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01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 6: I have seen it as part of my job. I

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01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 6: have not personally had you.

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01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 2: Know, my home damage right right right by.

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01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 6: A major disaster. But I've through my career, I've worked

1735
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 6: in from Kansas to California, too. I've been here in

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01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,680
Speaker 6: Hamilton County for ten years. I've seen the impact of

1737
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 6: the slow response and slow recovery and the bureaucracy, and

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01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 6: so I think we're trying to feed that up with

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01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 6: with accountabilities built in so that funds are used correctly.

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01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 6: And I think again, the whole folks of this entire

1741
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 6: thing is so that residents can recover faster.

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01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 1: The other element of this is shocked me, Nick, is

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01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: that there's a provision in here for a loan interest

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01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: payment payment really from our counties currently have to take

1745
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 1: out loans to cover disaster costs, will waiting for FEMA

1746
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: money and then have to taxpayers have to foot the

1747
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: bill of the interest.

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01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 2: Is that a thing?

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01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 6: Yes, so yes, So again, when you're talking these billion

1750
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 6: dollar damages, these billion dollar disasters.

1751
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 4: Then.

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01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 6: In some cases counties have had to take out loans

1753
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 6: in order to because you have to you have to

1754
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 6: get moving right, so to speak. You've got to recover

1755
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:46,839
Speaker 6: bridges and roads and water treatment systems and sewer treatment systems,

1756
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:50,480
Speaker 6: and so this is the kind of it's the backbone

1757
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 6: infrastructure that they're trying to fix, and so they've had

1758
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 6: to take out loans and so This has been an

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01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:01,599
Speaker 6: ongoing argument discussion with FEMA about helping with those interest

1760
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 6: costs because we're simply waiting on the money that we

1761
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 6: have been awarded, but it's takes so long that they

1762
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 6: have to get moving because you can't leave a sewer

1763
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 6: or water treatment system or a bridge out forever.

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01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: Right, Right, if this act passes, the FEMA Act passes,

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01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 1: what's the timeline for Hamlet Countency changes? Specifically? What would

1766
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 1: be your top priority? Then they do what they're supposed

1767
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: to do or what you're asking them to do. What

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01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 1: do you need to do at your end?

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01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 6: I think our end would be educating. Once we both

1770
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 6: educate ourselves on what's the new process, right, what changes

1771
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:36,600
Speaker 6: have come into play, make sure we understand them, communicate

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01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:39,640
Speaker 6: that to our elected leaders across the county. So I

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01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:43,880
Speaker 6: have forty nine communities with forty nine councils, so to speak,

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01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 6: and so we'll be educating them on the process. So

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01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 6: we know that if a disaster happens, then we receive

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01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 6: a federal declaration both for that can help residents as

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01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 6: well as local governments. We can get them into that

1778
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 6: process as quickly as possible. And so it's our job

1779
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 6: to make sure we're that bridge between the victim so

1780
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:03,919
Speaker 6: to speak, and the resources that are available.

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01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, something the easy thing to do is make this

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01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: grant based rather than reimbursement based.

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01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 6: Right, I mean, it'll be you know, they'll once the

1784
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 6: FEMAC passes, they'll have to put in the face their

1785
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 6: policies and procedures. But again, the key that we'll be

1786
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,759
Speaker 6: watching for is to make sure that when it's done

1787
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 6: that it's speed The intent is to get the money

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01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 6: out sooner and speed up the process. And so we'll

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01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 6: be monitoring that with the National Association Accounties and our

1790
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 6: state partners to make sure that FEMA does that. What's

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01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 6: the level of support like on the hill for this,

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01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 6: So it's bipartisan. So the Infrastructure Transportation Infrastructure Committee in

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01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 6: the House passed it I think fifty six to three,

1794
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 6: So it's bipartisan support in there. And so again they're

1795
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:55,439
Speaker 6: working on that. You have to have the companion bill

1796
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 6: in the Senate, so they're working on getting sponsors for that.

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01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,400
Speaker 6: And so I think disasters are a political disasters affect

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01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 6: all states, all communities at at a given time, and

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01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 6: so it does not know political boundaries, and so I

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01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:14,600
Speaker 6: think that hopefully we have a really good chance and

1801
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 6: also working with the administration because they have definitely called

1802
01:27:17,439 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 6: for for FEMA reform since before President Trump was elected,

1803
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 6: so we hope to well to line right up with

1804
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 6: with his with his efforts.

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01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 2: Who are the three clowns that voted?

1806
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:29,679
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

1807
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 6: I was looking at that boys.

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01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 1: Get them to buy fors and go at it. You

1809
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying doesn't make much sense there. What's

1810
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 1: the timeline for getting to implemented?

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01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 6: I don't know. So again I think they're, you know,

1812
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 6: in the shutdown doesn't help, but I think that they're

1813
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 6: they're working to try to get the Senate Companion bill

1814
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,679
Speaker 6: done and then it just has to go through the process.

1815
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 6: And you know, things are interesting in Congress right now?

1816
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 6: Gotcha all right, as quickly as possible.

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01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: Nick Crossley, Hamlet County Director Emergency Management, I hope to

1818
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: never talk to you in your professional capacity when you've

1819
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: got your helmet and your state of Ohio, your county

1820
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 1: jacket on and stuff like that. God forbid, It's going

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01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: to be a bad day. But Nick, I'm glad you

1822
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 1: do what you do and I appreciate it.

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01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 6: Thank you very much.

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01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: Great to chat with you, Nick Crossley, Yeah, kind of a.

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01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting to think that God forbid we

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01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 1: have a natural disaster that we now have to borrow

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01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 1: money and pay interest on that just to you know,

1828
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 1: give people money in order to live, to survive. That

1829
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 1: is a huge hole. And fortunately you have bipartisan support

1830
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 1: for this whole thing. I mean, if we got money

1831
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 1: for foreign countries and you know, redoing the White House, Okay, great, awesome,

1832
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 1: Well how about fixing FEMA? You guys, no wonder Congress

1833
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: has such a low approval rating. Scott's loan seven hundred WW.

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01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 7: Willy gives me hope, and these days we can all

1835
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 7: use some hope.

1836
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 2: Willy is here for you, no matter how lousy my

1837
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 2: day is.

1838
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: I know I can count on Willy to turn things

1839
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,879
Speaker 1: around here to soothe your fears.

1840
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 6: I wish I could find a man just like Willie, like.

1841
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 2: The Great American that I am uses lots of big words.

1842
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 2: I use lots of big words too. It's almost like

1843
01:29:03,160 --> 01:29:03,719
Speaker 2: we're twins.

1844
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 6: All you have to do is listen to me the

1845
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 6: Great America, Bill Cunningham.

1846
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:13,679
Speaker 5: Today at twelve noon on seven hundred WLW.

1847
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 1: Have you taken your family to dinner recently have been

1848
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: shot stash.

1849
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 2: This is all Worth Advice with Andy Shaeffer. Oh Man,

1850
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:26,839
Speaker 2: you smell that. It smells like money.

1851
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: It smells like money has just come into the conversation here,

1852
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 1: Andy Shafer from all Worth Financial. I can smell the

1853
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 1: money through the microphone this morning. I can smell it.

1854
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 1: I thought that was just false, Scott.

1855
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what.

1856
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: You'd have some you're in high cotton if you've got

1857
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 1: money skinning the game. Of course, a couple few days

1858
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 1: of records or market highs right now, it's been incredible.

1859
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 2: What's driving all that?

1860
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 9: Well, I mean a lot of things are going on

1861
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 9: right now. You know, first of all, we're pretty you know,

1862
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:58,839
Speaker 9: we're getting some decent inflation numbers. We had the CPI

1863
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 9: last week on Friday with a consumer price index, which

1864
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 9: is a measure of inflation. And you know, we haven't

1865
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 9: been able to get a lot of data since the

1866
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 9: government shut down, but the CPI is one of those

1867
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 9: where the government says, well, we need this number to

1868
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 9: be able to adjust the cost of living adjustment for

1869
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 9: Social Security, and they're certainly going to keep an eye

1870
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 9: on that and make sure that they have that in place,

1871
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 9: So you know, we're kind of looking at what data

1872
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 9: we have available to determine what the FED is going

1873
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 9: to do. Uh, the Fed's meeting today, we're going to

1874
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 9: get a decision tomorrow at two o'clock and the FED

1875
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 9: Chairman Power has a press conference immediately after that, and

1876
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 9: it does seem likely we're going to get a quarter

1877
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 9: percent cut. Investors enjoy that because what that means is

1878
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 9: when you start to cut rates, that encourages spending, It

1879
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 9: encourages borrowing. You know, it makes companies a little more

1880
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 9: flexible to be able to hire. And so what the

1881
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 9: FED is doing is they're starting to attack the labor

1882
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 9: market to make sure that it stays pretty healthy. And

1883
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,320
Speaker 9: you know, in addition to that, you know, we're seeing

1884
01:30:57,320 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 9: you know, from a political standpoint, we're seeing some calling

1885
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 9: on terraffs and you know, with Donald Trump meeting with

1886
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,599
Speaker 9: President g at the end of the week this week,

1887
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,880
Speaker 9: it seems like there's some positive progress there. And so

1888
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 9: all of that, you know, leads to investor optimism and

1889
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 9: that's kind of where we are right now.

1890
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, and it's been a hell of a

1891
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 1: stretch right now. For sure, we'll see what happens. And

1892
01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: I know those the numbers you're talking about were delayed

1893
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 1: because of government shutdown.

1894
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were delayed a little bit.

1895
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 9: Now, we did have headline prices rose point three percent

1896
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 9: on the core, which excludes food and energy, but that's

1897
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 9: really what the FED looks at because they don't believe

1898
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 9: that they can impact food and energy prices. And so

1899
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 9: when you see these numbers that say, okay, well you

1900
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 9: know raised point three percent year over year, Well that's

1901
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 9: still higher. Yeah, but you have to understand how inflation works.

1902
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 9: It doesn't mean that prices are coming down. What it

1903
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,640
Speaker 9: means is is that they're going up less fast. And so,

1904
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 9: you know, the FED at this point feels pretty good

1905
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,719
Speaker 9: that inflation right now is you know, it really hasn't

1906
01:31:56,760 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 9: been significantly impacted by the terrafs and things are starting

1907
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:03,080
Speaker 9: to cool. The other thing that I thought was really

1908
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 9: interesting is we're finally seeing shelter, which is the largest

1909
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 9: comport component of the core inflation continue to cool. You know,

1910
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 9: we saw that that rents just rose point one to

1911
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 9: three percent. Primary rent increase just at point two percent,

1912
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:18,759
Speaker 9: and so you know, when we start to see housing

1913
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 9: prices come down, and I think the fact that we're

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01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:23,240
Speaker 9: going to see rates cut again is going to cool

1915
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:27,120
Speaker 9: it even more. You know, that's pretty optimistic from the

1916
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 9: fence perspective.

1917
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:30,040
Speaker 1: And people see this and go, how can that be

1918
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,600
Speaker 1: that the market's doing so well? And let look at

1919
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: they're going to cut SNAP benefits pretty soon, and the

1920
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 1: cuts to SNAP and the Americans they Affordable Care Act

1921
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 1: and people are going to have to pay you know,

1922
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 1: twenty eight percent more for their health insurance or the

1923
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 1: same cran we're in benefit season. How can all those

1924
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:47,520
Speaker 1: things be true at the same time. And it illustrates

1925
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 1: I guess for everything and try and I that this

1926
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:51,439
Speaker 1: is a disparity between the haves and the have nots,

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Speaker 1: the rich and then everybody else to.

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Speaker 9: Some to some extent, I think that it is challenging.

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Speaker 9: You know, you know, when we go to the grocery store,

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Speaker 9: you see is that are you know, pretty high. That's

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Speaker 9: probably one of my biggest bills. We cook at home

1932
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Speaker 9: all the time. We go to the grocery. Meat prices

1933
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Speaker 9: are particularly high right now, and so you're thinking, you know,

1934
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Speaker 9: how is all of this possible? Well, people continue to

1935
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Speaker 9: have jobs and there haven't been significant cuts in the

1936
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Speaker 9: labor market at this point. So if you have the

1937
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Speaker 9: ability to continue to earn a way just going to

1938
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Speaker 9: translate to spending. And furthermore, you know, people that have

1939
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Speaker 9: investments in those that have retirement plans and retirees and

1940
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Speaker 9: their accounts are continuing to grow at fifteen percent every year.

1941
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Speaker 9: That generates a decent amount of wealth to where you

1942
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Speaker 9: can continue to draw an income stream and continue to spend. So, yes,

1943
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Speaker 9: prices are continuing to be higher, but people are still

1944
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Speaker 9: able to earn a wage and the job market is

1945
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Speaker 9: fairly stable at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at that and go, okay, well that

1947
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Speaker 1: that makes sense right now because it's a small percentage

1948
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Speaker 1: of the America and three hundred million people you're talking about,

1949
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Speaker 1: you know, one point to one point four people are sorry,

1950
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Speaker 1: forty two million on Snap benefits rather and there's three

1951
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Speaker 1: hundred million Americans and say, okay, well, as a percent

1952
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Speaker 1: it's not that much, but it does have an impact

1953
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Speaker 1: on economy, and you're on a personal economy too. If

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Speaker 1: you look at the price of things you just mentioned

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Speaker 1: b For example, for the first time I can remember,

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Speaker 1: I was at Costco of all places, I looked at

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Speaker 1: some beef and when I'm not paying that right, I'm

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Speaker 1: not paying that.

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Speaker 3: Well, And I think there's a there's a point to that, Scott.

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Speaker 9: You know, during COVID, when certain products were a little

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Speaker 9: bit higher in price than others. You know, I enjoy

1962
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Speaker 9: a BLT sandwich, but when bacon is eight dollars a

1963
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Speaker 9: pound or whatever it was during that period of time, yeah,

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Speaker 9: I'm going.

1965
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Speaker 3: To go without.

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Speaker 9: And so, you know, people still have the ability to

1967
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Speaker 9: make decisions on their spending, and that's really where it

1968
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Speaker 9: comes to play. Just because prices go up, you still

1969
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 9: have the option and choices to make smart decisions with

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Speaker 9: your spending.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did see this that AI is now starting Well,

1972
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Speaker 1: we've seen it cost jobs. But Amazon's going to cut

1973
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Speaker 1: fourteen thousand people, and online education company CHEG is going

1974
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Speaker 1: to cut half of its eight hundred employee workforce all

1975
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Speaker 1: because of AI. And so the looming threat to poses

1976
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Speaker 1: is starting to become reality.

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Speaker 9: There is some cuts that are going to be coming

1978
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Speaker 9: because of AI. I think there's a lot of industries

1979
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Speaker 9: that are going to be affected more by AI. However,

1980
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Speaker 9: we're continuing to see AI also developed jobs. We have

1981
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Speaker 9: a lot of jobs that are increasing because of AI

1982
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Speaker 9: and the tech sector We also have a form in

1983
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Speaker 9: Saudi Arabia right now where the Oracle Co CEO Mike

1984
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Speaker 9: Cilia basically said, Hey, the next stage of private data

1985
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Speaker 9: with AI is private data and merging them with leading

1986
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Speaker 9: AI models. And the thing about it is is that, yes,

1987
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Speaker 9: we've been through industrial revolutions, We've been through different you know,

1988
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Speaker 9: work revolutions. When the Internet was originated, we thought that

1989
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Speaker 9: that was going to be a collapse of a lot

1990
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Speaker 9: of jobs and we weren't going to be able to

1991
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Speaker 9: you know, find work and things like that. The reality

1992
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Speaker 9: is is that it also creates a lot of opportunities

1993
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Speaker 9: and additional jobs. So where one one sector might be

1994
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Speaker 9: thinning out a little bit, where are adding jobs to

1995
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Speaker 9: other sectors as well?

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Speaker 1: All Right, Andy Schaeffer from all Worth Financial mentioned the

1997
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Speaker 1: numbers come out. The CPI core inflation shelter is the

1998
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Speaker 1: largest component of that. That's cooling off a little bit,

1999
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Speaker 1: believe it or not. Food We mentioned that that's moderates

2000
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Speaker 1: up but still kind of just pulling steady. Things look

2001
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 1: fairly normalized in flat right now, but the inflation rate

2002
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,640
Speaker 1: is still a sticky three percent. That's above where the

2003
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Speaker 1: Fed wants it to be. Therefore interest rate cuts are coming.

2004
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Speaker 9: Yeah, because the FED has the ability to either attack

2005
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:27,800
Speaker 9: inflation or pay attention more to the labor market. And

2006
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:31,200
Speaker 9: the FED right now feels like, yes, it's a little

2007
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 9: bit higher than where we want it, but we're comfortable

2008
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Speaker 9: where it is, and the trends are going in the

2009
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 9: right direction, so they can switch their focus from attacking

2010
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Speaker 9: inflation to basically attacking the labor market and making sure

2011
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 9: that it remains healthy by cutting interest rates, which we're

2012
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Speaker 9: going to get a rate cut here tomorrow, We're probably

2013
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Speaker 9: going to get another quarter percent cut in the summer,

2014
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Speaker 9: and it's likely we get another one or two quarter

2015
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Speaker 9: percent cuts next year. And so you know, as an investor,

2016
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Speaker 9: you're looking at it, you're saying, okay. You know, with

2017
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Speaker 9: with interest rates starting to come down, that loosens the

2018
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Speaker 9: strings for people to be able to spend because borrowing

2019
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 9: becomes cheaper, not only individuals but also businesses. And so

2020
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Speaker 9: that's where the optimism is from a market standpoint, and

2021
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Speaker 9: that's why we're at our all time hius right now.

2022
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Speaker 1: Andy Shaffer explained to me, because I'm not an economist,

2023
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Speaker 1: most people listening article and I'm kind of stupid too,

2024
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Speaker 1: why can't you cut it?

2025
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Speaker 2: Why is it either or inflation or jobs?

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Speaker 9: Well, think about it this way. If prices go up

2027
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Speaker 9: and they become you know, we were just talking about

2028
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Speaker 9: the price of bacon, If you increase interest rates, that

2029
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Speaker 9: makes it tougher to borrow. And so if you have

2030
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Speaker 9: less borrowing ability and it becomes more expensive, then that

2031
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Speaker 9: reduces demand. And if demand starts to reduce, then prices

2032
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Speaker 9: come down and follow along with it. When you cut

2033
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Speaker 9: interest rates, that increases demand, which allows for businesses to

2034
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Speaker 9: continue to thrive and hire more workers and help the

2035
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Speaker 9: labor market remain strong. So that's where it is. It

2036
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Speaker 9: all comes down to interest rates and how that affects

2037
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Speaker 9: the economy in general. If you continue to raise interest rates,

2038
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Speaker 9: which we did when prices were significantly higher, people aren't

2039
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:11,400
Speaker 9: going to be willing to spend as much. And that's

2040
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Speaker 9: what it's all about. It's about demand and supply and

2041
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Speaker 9: your basic you know economics.

2042
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Speaker 1: There the balance of finances. What this is in the

2043
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Speaker 1: economy basically is that you can't serve all masters. You've

2044
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Speaker 1: got to pick the crisis and deal with that and uh,

2045
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Speaker 1: and then when the other one we.

2046
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Speaker 3: Go the other way.

2047
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Speaker 1: So and That's why it's it's.

2048
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Speaker 9: A certainly a delicate balance, and that's why you know,

2049
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Speaker 9: we talk about soft landings all the time, and you know,

2050
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Speaker 9: the FED can't be too quick with it, and they

2051
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 9: can't be too slow with it. And the challenge for

2052
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 9: the FED is is that when they implement either you know,

2053
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,719
Speaker 9: interest rate increases or interest rate decreases, it takes about

2054
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 9: eight months for that to weave through the economy, so

2055
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,600
Speaker 9: it's not instantaneous, and so they have to be a

2056
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 9: little bit patient, look at the data, see how those

2057
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 9: decisions affect the economy, and then adjust from there. And

2058
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Speaker 9: that's what makes it such a tricky and Denver, all.

2059
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Speaker 1: Right, let's get into the weirdness and the imbalance and

2060
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Speaker 1: also the whiplash nature of trade, Andy Schaeffer from all

2061
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Speaker 1: Worth Financial US in China. Looks like they made progress

2062
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Speaker 1: towards a deal deal that would pause more terrifikes, start

2063
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Speaker 1: to store normalized trade and I guess more more trades stability.

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Speaker 1: I guess I want to say that is similarly really

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Speaker 1: good news. I think the markets reacted as such.

2066
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, who knows, you know, I mean right right, well,

2067
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Speaker 9: you know, this is what we get you know, Donald

2068
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 9: Trump likes President G and then he doesn't like President G.

2069
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,599
Speaker 9: And you know, there's you know, you know, a lot

2070
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 9: of bluster, and you know, sometimes it feels almost personal.

2071
01:39:35,040 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 9: But basically where we are with this is that it

2072
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:40,760
Speaker 9: seems like cooler heads are starting to prevail. Things are

2073
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,639
Speaker 9: loosing up, and most importantly, I think that both sides

2074
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,080
Speaker 9: are focused on reaching an agreement before the end of

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Speaker 9: the year. You know, this week's progress. It's not a breakthrough,

2076
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:53,679
Speaker 9: but we have a meeting on October thirtieth between President

2077
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Speaker 9: Trump and President G for the first time in months.

2078
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Speaker 9: And so the fact that we're you know, at least

2079
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Speaker 9: sitting together and talking is positive. And again, you know,

2080
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Speaker 9: China needs our markets. There are supply side type of economy,

2081
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 9: so they need people to buy their goods, and you know,

2082
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Speaker 9: and and there's a lot of things that China supplies

2083
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Speaker 9: us that is important, you know, to to our path

2084
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 9: forward from an economic standpoint. So we we do need

2085
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:20,400
Speaker 9: each other and it seems like things are starting to

2086
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 9: cool and that's why the markets have responded.

2087
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Speaker 2: Then there's Canada that's at the other end of.

2088
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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, well, you know, with Canada, there's there's also

2089
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 9: a lot of name calling and a lot of bless

2090
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 9: are there, and and the mood is a little bit

2091
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:33,960
Speaker 9: different there. You know, we we had some trade talks,

2092
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 9: you know, with Canada. Recently, Ontario ran an ad here

2093
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:41,719
Speaker 9: in the United States criticizing American tariffs and basically urging

2094
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:45,639
Speaker 9: a return to the Reagan style uh economic trade balance.

2095
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 9: And you know, and and that, you know, kind of

2096
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 9: upset the White House and an upset Washington. Ottawa called

2097
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 9: the ad unfortunate but stood by its message. But basically,

2098
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:57,640
Speaker 9: you know, that irritated the United States, and so it

2099
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 9: halted progress on steel negotiation, is aluminum, agriculture, and those

2100
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:05,639
Speaker 9: are the big things that we trade with Canada, and

2101
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 9: and and that relationship remains important and hopefully we'll be

2102
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 9: able to have some cooler rhetoric moving forward there too.

2103
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 1: All right, there seems no end to the government shutdown.

2104
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Speaker 1: It's obviously not affecting markets. And how much are that

2105
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:21,080
Speaker 1: weighs on our lawmakers to get something done? I mean,

2106
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Speaker 1: the markets start to suffer as all the shutdowns, that's

2107
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Speaker 1: a different story, but clearly the opposite is happening. How

2108
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:28,000
Speaker 1: much is it do you think that weighs in their decision.

2109
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Speaker 9: I think there's a timeline on that. Right now, it

2110
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,680
Speaker 9: doesn't very much. You know, there hasn't been a lot

2111
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Speaker 9: of official economic releases, so it kind of keeps us

2112
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:38,439
Speaker 9: in the dark to where the economy is.

2113
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Speaker 3: Now.

2114
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Speaker 9: If you start to see the limited amount of data

2115
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 9: that we have, start to move sideways on that and

2116
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 9: we need a lot more clarity, you know, politicians will

2117
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:51,280
Speaker 9: start to get together and make a deal. However, you

2118
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 9: know where we stand right now, there is not a

2119
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 9: lot of urgency for the government to get back open,

2120
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Speaker 9: you know. Right now, you know Wall Street's going to

2121
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 9: focus on corporate profits. We're starting to move into earning season.

2122
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:05,759
Speaker 9: We have one hundred and sixty two large cap companies

2123
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 9: that are going to report earnings this week. We have

2124
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Speaker 9: a lot of heavyweights out there. They're going to report Amazon, Apple, Google, Microsoft,

2125
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 9: and so we'll see where that is. So right now,

2126
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,760
Speaker 9: investors are focusing focusing on, you know, what are the

2127
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 9: earnings of companies, how are they performing, and looking at

2128
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:24,760
Speaker 9: the limited data that we get to make decisions as

2129
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Speaker 9: far as you know, where am I going to invest

2130
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:29,719
Speaker 9: and how is the how is the economy continuing to progress?

2131
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Speaker 6: All right?

2132
01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 2: What do we got week ahead here.

2133
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Speaker 9: Uh, well, you know again, we're a limited, a little

2134
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:37,679
Speaker 9: bit limited. The big one obviously is the FED meeting

2135
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 9: today and in the conference tomorrow. We're going to get

2136
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Speaker 9: you know, some trade information as well. We're going to

2137
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Speaker 9: get pending home sales on Wednesday. Thursday, we're going to

2138
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 9: get our GDP numbers, hopefully right because a lot of

2139
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Speaker 9: this is still you know, on the sidelines. Friday is

2140
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Speaker 9: normally a big day where we get personal income, consumer spending,

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Speaker 9: producer price index, a lot one of those bits of data.

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Speaker 9: But as long as the government room hearing's shut down,

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Speaker 9: we're not going to get those numbers.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what we get.

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Speaker 3: We just don't know at this point.

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Speaker 1: He's Andy Schaeffer with all Worth Financial simply Money. That

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Speaker 1: show airs at six o'clock weeknights, that would be tonight

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Speaker 1: on fifty five KRC. Every Tuesday morning he pops in

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Speaker 1: to kind of check what's going on with the markets

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Speaker 1: and money. So Wall Street looks really, really good right now.

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Speaker 1: Government looks to be inapt and all is right with

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Speaker 1: the world. I guess if it comes to your investments now,

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Speaker 1: the day to day's different story. So keep your eye

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Speaker 1: on the long term prize, which is getting the hell

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Speaker 1: out of your workplace with a little bit enough hopefully saved,

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Speaker 1: to be able to retire at some point in your future.

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Speaker 1: I hope that's true for all of us, sooner rather

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Speaker 1: than later. All the best, Drew, thanks again, have a

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Speaker 1: great one.

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Speaker 9: Thanks Scott, look forward to talking to you next week.

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Speaker 1: Willie is standing by. He has returned. He's ready to go.

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Speaker 1: He's champing at the bits. More Chresa Thiji stuff on

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Speaker 1: the way. We've found out the law firm that's going

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Speaker 1: to look for her reasons that she's been fired after

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Speaker 1: she's fired, and we're going to pay them like forty

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Speaker 1: grand to do that and get a by the end

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Speaker 1: of the year.

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Speaker 2: So that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: You have a police chief who essentially has been fired

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Speaker 1: and now we hired a law firm to look for

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Speaker 1: the reasons as to why she's fired.

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Speaker 2: It makes sense to you, No it does not. Does

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Speaker 2: it make sense to those high a top city hall,

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Speaker 2: Yes it does, Yes it does. And we have an

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Speaker 2: election coming up makes it more interesting. Scott's loan Home

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