1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you easy 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Boston's niche radio. 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: That weekend went by very quickly. I think, Rob, what 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: do you think? It was only about sixty seven seven hour. 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 2: You know why it was quicker because we lost an 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: hour's worth of sleep. Now, it was only sixty seven 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: hours between midnight on Friday night, Saturday morning and eight o'clock. Now, 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: that's why it seemed quicker. Did you not notice that? 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely good evening, everybody. Hope all of you have caught 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: up on your sleep that you lost last night, and 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: you will stay with us all the way until midnight 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 2: tonight because we have some really interesting guests coming up. 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: In the first hour, we're going to talk to four 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: individuals about a variety of topics, sort about what we 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: would call a pole Perrie. And then at nine o'clock 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: we'll talk with Rick Sobey. He's a great writer reporter 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: for the Boston Herald, and we're gonna look at the 18 00:00:55,120 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: case of Patrick Kelly. Rick broke this story over the weekend. 19 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 2: This guy was granted parole at the age of sixty one. 20 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: He had three life sentences for beating, raping, and robbing 21 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 2: a seventy six year old Dorchester woman who he abused 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: and raped the visiting home nurse that was in the 23 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: home who came by to help her bedridden husband back 24 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety five. This is a crazy story, but 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: it is very indicative of what goes on in Massachusetts. 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: So no one pays the price really in Massachusetts. But 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: I worked on behalf of innocent men who have been 28 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: framed by the FBI back in the late sixties and 29 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 2: got their names cleared. But anyway, it just as it's tough, 30 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: and they're going to talk about an editorial in the 31 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: Boston Globe today basically exhorting Mayor wou to get back 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: on it and get some more bike lanes, bill and 33 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: some more speed bumps. And so we'll kind of open 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: that conversation up at I assume at ten o'clock tonight. 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 2: But our first guest this first hour, and by the way, 36 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: my name is Dan Rayam. The host of the show, 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 2: Rob Brooks is back in the studio. And incidentally, I 38 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 2: also want to mention that on Wednesday night, from eight 39 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: to ten, we will have a very special two hour 40 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: presentation on the Republican gubernatorial the two of the candidates 41 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 2: who want to be the Republican gubernatorial nominee next November. 42 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 2: Bryan Shortsleeve and Mike Kinely will join us in studio 43 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: in Medford. A third candidate, Mike Minogue, has said that 44 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: he would prefer not to participate, which is his decision. 45 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: We are still going and we're going to spend two 46 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 2: hours give you an opportunity to get to know two 47 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: of the Republicans who are buying for the right to 48 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: run against Governor Heally next November, Brian short Sleep and 49 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: Mike Kneely. So I hope, and then we'll take phone 50 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: calls after the two hours to get your impressions of 51 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: these these two men who would be governor depending upon 52 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: what the voters say in the primary in September and 53 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 2: in the final election in November. We are going to 54 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: start off tonight with Interestingly enough, a related topic with 55 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: us is Chris Lisinski, senior reporter for the Commonwealth Beacon, 56 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 2: formerly known as the State House News Service. Hey, Chris, 57 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: when did this? When did this change occur? 58 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: Welcome back, Hey, it's great to be back. 59 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: Dan. 60 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: I changed jobs about six months ago. Indeed, I'm over 61 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 3: at cal Wealth Beacon, now a nonprofit news room. Operating 62 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 3: out of mass inc. 63 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, well that's a great magazine, that is 64 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: for sure. So you are no longer with State House 65 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: News Service, but you have written a piece about about 66 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: this proposed ballot question that would do away with partisan 67 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: primaries which have always existed in Massachusetts, meaning in September 68 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: there's a Republican race primary and a Democratic primary, and 69 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: whoever wins the Republican primary and the Democratic primary they 70 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: battle it out in November. If someone wants to get 71 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: a certain number of signatures and get on the ballot 72 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 2: as an independent, they also can do that. That has 73 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 2: been done as recently for Governor. Tim Cahill did it 74 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: in twenty ten and was the third candidate in the 75 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: Deval Patrick reelection of twenty ten in which Charlie Baker 76 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: ran for governor a first time. So there are a 77 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: couple of Democrats who are coming out in opposition to this, 78 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: And guess what I agree with these Democrats And I'd 79 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: love to have you explain it. What's at stake here? 80 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: Maine has this. I think this is what they call 81 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 2: jungle primaries, where everybody runs, whether you're a Democrat Republican. 82 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: So you could have two Democrats come November or not likely, 83 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: but two Republicans facing Laftia November. That's right. 84 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: California is the other big state that has a so 85 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 3: called jungle primary sometimes called an all party primary, and 86 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: what's at stake is really a dramatic reshaping of the 87 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 3: way that elections operate in Massachusetts and the power that 88 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: political parties wheeled here in Massachusetts. Now, obviously it's such 89 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 3: a deep blue state, it's likely that in most districts, 90 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: Democrats would continue to win. It's likely that most November 91 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: elections would be between two Democrats rather than a Democrat 92 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 3: and a Republican. But that can still pose a threat 93 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: to a lot of incumbent officeholders and a lot of 94 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 3: the current power brokers. Because November elections are a higher turnout, 95 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: somebody who's running, say a progressive challenge from the left 96 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 3: to a veteran state lawmaker, might think they have a 97 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 3: better shot at getting enough voters on board come November 98 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 3: than they do in a September primary with lower voter turnouts. 99 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: I think I, by the way, think that is exactly 100 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 2: what this is all about. And there are a couple 101 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: of more traditional Democrats who actually have filed a case 102 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: as you right with the SJC to to stop this. 103 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: That's right. Martina Jackson and Ann Roosevelt. They are two 104 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: Democratic State Committee women. They have been for quite a 105 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: long time. Martina Jackson actually last year was the head 106 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 3: of drafting the state party platform for the Massachusetts Democratic Party. 107 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 3: She shaired that effort. And Roosevelt is married to Jim Roosevelt, 108 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: a very long time veteran Democratic Party attorney and operative. 109 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 3: So these are two people who have been around the block. 110 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: They are definitely insiders, and they're using the legal avenue 111 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: in a to prevent this from even reaching voters. They're 112 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 3: asking the state's highest court to declare this question invalid 113 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: to continue, Let's not even get to this November and 114 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: make our case against it. Let's stop this thing in 115 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: Tract I. 116 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: Guess, is there an argument that it's unconstitutional? Yes. 117 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: Their argument, curiously enough, is that it would actually violate 118 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: the constitutional right of third party candidates and of voters 119 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: to select third party candidates because under this system that 120 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: the ballot question would put in place, the only two 121 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: candidates in November would have come through the primary. You 122 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: wouldn't have an independent, a Green Party candidate on the 123 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 3: ballot in November. It would just be the two primary 124 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: winners and perhaps a right in alternative. 125 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: Now, we are a very progressive state, and I say 126 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: congratulations to these and two women. I don't know Ian 127 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: Roosevelt or the other woman. I do know Ian's husband, Jim, 128 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: who quests the grandson of Franklin Roosevelt, steeped in the 129 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: tradition of the Democratic Party, and also happens to be 130 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: a good guy and a straight shooter. So I'm very 131 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: skeptical of this. I've seen what has happened in Maine, 132 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: and I don't think it's been good for the voters 133 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: in Maine. I don't think it's good for a two 134 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: party system. We have a very weak Republican Party here 135 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts, and they need to get their act together 136 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: so that they can start to put some candidates up 137 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: who at least have a possibility of winning. I mean, 138 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 2: we have all constitutional officers Democrat, all members of the 139 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: congressional delegation in Washington, the state represented, the members of Congress, 140 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 2: the members of the US Senate. It's the houses. Well, 141 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: you've covered it up there for years. The House is 142 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: about one twenty five to twenty five or something. And 143 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: the Senate is I think thirty seven to three if 144 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, maybe it's thirty six to four. I 145 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: don't know, but when you don't have a two party system, 146 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: it's a problem. And I would feel the same way 147 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: if I lived in Utah and the flip were true 148 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 2: and it was just a overwhelming Republican party. Well, Chris, 149 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: thanks so much for clarifying this for us, and now 150 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 2: we'll be able to get in touch with you through 151 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: the Commonwealth Beacon. You've done a great job with the 152 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: State House News Service and you have really put that 153 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 2: on the help put that on the map, and I'm 154 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 2: sure you do a great job with the Calm Wealth 155 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 2: Beacon as well. So thanks for joining us. As always, 156 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 2: it's always a pleasure. Absolutely right back at you. Thanks Chris. 157 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: Will we get back. We're going to talk about the 158 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: Freedom Trail tours, which we'll return. There were no Freedom 159 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: Trail tours in the month of February. I'm sure they 160 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: would have. They would have needed cross country skis. But 161 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: we're going to be talking with Kara Zeiberg. She's a 162 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: tour guide and actor who portrays thankful Rice on the 163 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 2: Freedom Trail and these tours. If you knew the boss, 164 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 2: they're great. If you're a longtime Boston resident, they're great 165 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: to take as well. We'll talk with Kara coming up 166 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: on Night's side. Also later on tonight, we will talk 167 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 2: about a gen z TikTok trend which Glorie was eating 168 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: arts of sardines. I don't think I have ever eaten 169 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 2: a sardine, nor do I have any desire, but we'll 170 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 2: talk about that, and we'll also talk about a book 171 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: about Larry Bird Keith O'Brien New York Times best selling 172 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 2: author and writer Hartley and The Forgotten Place and Impossible 173 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: Dream in the Miracle of Larry Bird. So that's what's 174 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: coming up this hour, and then beginning at nine o'clock, 175 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about this horrific decision by the 176 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: Massachusetts Parole Board to let wait, do you hear the 177 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: specifics of this story with Rick Sobey of the Boston Herald. 178 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: That later on we'll take on the Boston Globe editorial. 179 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: Today we'll rip it apart for you what they call 180 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 2: I guess road safety. All it means is more bike 181 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: lanes for every driver in Boston. Coming back on Nightside 182 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 2: with Karen z Iyberg or the Freedom Trail Foundation, the 183 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 2: Revolutionary Women tours are returning back on Nightside after this. 184 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on w b Z, 185 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 186 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. As we move into the better weather. 187 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: We had some great weather certainly today, that is for sure, 188 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: and that means that just as baseball will return, so 189 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: will the Freedom Foundation, the Freedom Trail Foundation's tours. And 190 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: we're talking with Kara z Iiberg. She is a tour 191 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 2: guide and an actor who portrays thankful Rice on the trail. Cara, 192 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: it's been a long winter. It's a great sign of 193 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 2: spring when the Freedom Trail Foundation tours return. 194 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and we do have tours throughout the winter, but 195 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 4: they definitely are much smaller than they are in the summer. 196 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 2: What did you do with all the snow we had 197 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 2: in February? 198 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 4: We got very creative finding different places to go on 199 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 4: the Boston Common and the Grantary has been closed for 200 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 4: a bit. I haven't been by in the last couple 201 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 4: of days with most of the snow melting, but with 202 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 4: those two large storms it was it was closed for 203 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 4: a bit, so it was tough to get them back there. 204 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: Correct. So, first of all, tell us a little bit 205 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: about thankful Rice. Was that her actual first name? They 206 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: gave some people weird, weird first names back in the 207 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: eighteenth century. 208 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 4: It was it was very common, especially in New England, 209 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 4: for women to have virtues as first names. So there 210 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 4: are names like thankful. Prudence is very common. Patience was 211 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 4: also a very common name, although you know, living in 212 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 4: the Boston area, patients is not a virtue many. 213 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 5: Of us have. 214 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: What about I bet your mercy was pretty pretty common? 215 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 4: It is very common, yees, as well as Old Testament 216 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 4: names like Rachel Sarah as well. 217 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, well absolutely, and a lot of those names 218 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: are making comebacks when you look at the popular names 219 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: in the twenty first century. So the tours, let's get 220 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: the dates so people know when they are, and then 221 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 2: let's talk about what they are. The tours go how 222 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 2: many days a week, So for. 223 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 4: The Revolutionary Women's Tour, those will be on Saturdays and 224 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 4: Sundays throughout March at ten five in the morning, leaving 225 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 4: from the Visitors Center in Boston. 226 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: Common Okay, and the people can get more information. We'll 227 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: give this this web address a couple of times. But 228 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: if folks are interested. How do they get the information 229 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: where they can buy tickets and get more information. What's 230 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: the website? 231 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 4: They can go to the Freedom Channel Foundation dot I 232 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 4: think it's dot com. 233 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: Okay, perfect, Freedomtrail Foundation dot com. Okay, so you portrayed 234 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: my best it is. I kind of thought it would 235 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: have been. But that's again the freedom. 236 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 4: I don't go to the website very often. 237 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's no problem. But we would have gotten that 238 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 2: right because I have it right here. I was going 239 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: to click on it just to be sure. So you 240 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 2: folks do these toys and you stay in character, and 241 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: I appreciate that you're not in character tonight because that 242 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: way you can explain it to me. So what will 243 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 2: people learn about Thankful Rice if they sign up on 244 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: your tour? Just give us a little little thirty second 245 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: elevator pitch to get people interested. 246 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 4: Yes, so I Thankful Rice is a colonial spy. She 247 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 4: works as a maid in a household where soldiers are 248 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 4: staying during the second round of the Quartering Act in 249 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 4: seventeen seventy four, after the events of the Boston Tea Party, 250 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 4: when four thousand more soldiers were sent over to Boston, 251 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 4: and she's learning what she can from these soldiers and 252 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 4: passing it on to people like Paul Revere, John Hancock, 253 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 4: Samuel Adams, getting information, whether super important, less important, but 254 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 4: getting information to the sound of liberty. 255 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: So she was a precursor in effect, to the to 256 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: the CIA. 257 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 4: You could say that I like to compare myself to 258 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 4: Princess Leah for the kids. 259 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: Well, I know, but when you think about it, she 260 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: was there, She was passing information on to the heads 261 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: of the developing government. It must be pretty pretty interesting. 262 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: Did she live, I hope, a long and prosperous life. Ah, yes, 263 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: I just think that someone who who did that great 264 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: work for our freedom and our liberty would have been 265 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: rewarded with a long and prosperous life. That was a 266 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: wish that I that I expressed there. 267 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 4: So the good It's very common to see stories of 268 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 4: sort of people push to the side of it, women, children, 269 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 4: people of color at that time, working as spies because 270 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 4: often they would be overlooked in situations, just kind of 271 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 4: like ignored, so it's easier for them to get information 272 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 4: to pass it along to people who need it. 273 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: No, that's absolutely and they were critical to the to 274 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: the to the success of the Sons and also Daughters 275 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: of Liberty that we learned about in school. Cara, thanks 276 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: as always, Let's do the one more time. The website 277 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: is be Freedom Trail Foundation dot org. You get tickets, 278 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: you get information there. It is a great way for 279 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: people who are new to Boston to learn about Boston, 280 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: and it's a great way for a lot of us 281 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: who have been here for a long time to brush 282 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: up on our Boston history. That's for sure, most tours 283 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: on average, what they're pretty they're pretty intimate. We're talking 284 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: what if I call fifteen twenty people max, and people 285 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 2: have a chance to ask you questions. It's a really 286 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 2: it's a great a great tour in my. 287 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 4: Opinion, I definitely agree. And the thing that I love 288 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 4: about the Revolutionary Women's Tour is that we often get 289 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 4: more locals coming on the tour with any of our 290 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 4: than of our specialty tours as we call them, where 291 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 4: they's seasonal, whether it's the Revolutionary Women's Tour, the African 292 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 4: American Patriots Tour in February, or the Rainbow Revolutionaries in June, 293 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 4: we get a lot more locals who come and take 294 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 4: the tours and they get to see the city through 295 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 4: new eyes and learn new history. 296 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: Sounds great. I really do appreciate it tonight, Kara, thanks 297 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: so much and thanks for all of the information. Again 298 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 2: the Freedom Trail Foundation dot org. Carol will do it again. 299 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 2: Thanks very much. Thank you. All Right, when we come back, 300 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 2: right after the news at the bottom of the hour, 301 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about sardine fasts. What's behind the 302 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 2: gen z TikTok. Friend, this is not one I'm going 303 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: to participate in. It's a lot easier to lose weight 304 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: with Awaken one to eighty than it is to stuff 305 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 2: your your mouth with sardines. We're gonna talk with Paul Fulford. 306 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: He's a healthy living expert with Sino shore Loutronic. We'll 307 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: explain what that is as well. Right after the news 308 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: at the bottom of the era. My name is Dan 309 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 2: Ray and this is Nightside on a Monday night. 310 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z, 311 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 312 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 2: I would like to welcome Paul Fulford. He's a healthy 313 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: living expert with an organization called Sino shore Loutronic. Paul, 314 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: I've never heard of Sino shore Loutronic. I apologize for 315 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: my ignorance. Tell me what that is and then we're 316 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 2: going to talk about the sardine fasts. I wasn't sure 317 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: if a sardine fast or sardine feast. What is behind 318 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: this gens gen Z TikTok trend. What's what's Sino show Electronic. 319 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 5: Paul so Signature Electronic. We're actually a manufacturer of medical 320 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 5: systems that are focused on anti aging and longevity. Uh 321 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 5: and we're actually globally headquartered in uh Westford, Massachusetts. So right, 322 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 5: you're right in the backyard. 323 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: So what do you do? 324 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 6: Give me an idea in la So if you're looking 325 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 6: at the skin, for example, and you know, some of 326 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 6: what we're talking about today relates to the skin as 327 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 6: it relates to the sardines and these gen zers on 328 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 6: TikTok uh. 329 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 5: Getting rid of fine lines and wrinkles, getting rid of pigment, vascularity, 330 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 5: you know, aesthetic lasers r F r F treatments. We 331 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 5: have a device that builds muscle literally without having to 332 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 5: work out, that builds functional strength, so for longevity, so 333 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 5: outside and outside in, and then as a healthy living expert, 334 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 5: I work on the inside out. 335 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: That's okay, fair enough, Okay, So let's talk about the 336 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 2: sardine fasts. I had never eaten the sardine, never been 337 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: tempted to eat a sardine, And it just seems to 338 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 2: me that what is this all about. If you're a 339 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 2: zen a gen Zer, you were born between nineteen ninety 340 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 2: six and twenty twelve, your skin should be as nice 341 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 2: today as it will be at any point in your life. 342 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 5: Yes, you would take right, but again it's you know, 343 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 5: if I could back up this one piece where it's 344 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 5: like I would say, you know, preventive measures. You know, 345 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 5: what you do now affects what you do and how 346 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 5: you are and how you feel. And look when you're 347 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 5: fifty sixty seventies. 348 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, look, look I'm I'm full blooded Irish, and 349 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: so I try to allieve you've got yeah, no, no, no, no, 350 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 2: I'm okay in that because of stayd I've played a 351 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: lot of sports in the sun, but during the summertime, 352 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 2: I am more than happy to sit in the shade. Frankly, 353 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: to be honest with youp so. But and I also 354 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: put on you know, different skin creams and stuff like 355 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 2: that if I know I'm going to be outsurvail and 356 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: stuff like that. But what's the deal with sardines? I mean, 357 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 2: could have they picked a better tasting item to improve 358 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: their skin. 359 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 5: Possibly, Yes, I mean sardines are, like you know, aren't 360 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 5: acquired tastes to say the least, Right, But the one 361 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 5: thing about them is startings are legitimately one of the 362 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 5: most nutrient dense foods you can eat. They're packed with 363 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 5: they'll make a three fatty acids, protein, vitamin D, calcium, selenium, 364 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 5: and collagen supporting minerals. So those nutrients absolutely support skin 365 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 5: health because your skin is essentially a biological reflection of 366 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 5: what's happening metabolically inside your body. So you know, your 367 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 5: skin is influenced by other dozens of other variables as well, right, 368 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 5: like sleep, inflammation, hydration, hormones, sun exposure. Like we talked 369 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 5: about gut. But they're not magic, right, They're not a 370 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 5: magic glow up in the can. You know, They're just 371 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 5: part of a good healthy diet if you can stomach them. 372 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 2: Yes, So what is going on in TikTok? I know 373 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: it would be tough for you to believe, but I 374 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: am not a TikTok guy. I've been in the business 375 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: for thirty one years in TV and now nineteen as 376 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 2: a talk show host. So as you can tell I'm 377 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: at least in my mid forties if you do the math. 378 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 2: What why sardines? I mean, sardines might be wonderful, but 379 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 2: I got to assume you could have salmon, or there'd 380 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: be a whole bunch of other if you like fish, 381 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 2: I got I don't know anybody who if you offered 382 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 2: me a sardine, I would say, thank you, But no 383 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 2: thank you. I mean, how how often do people even 384 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: come in contact with sardines? 385 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 5: Well, I would say, you know, not, Sorry that yeah, 386 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 5: I would say not not unless they're looking for them. 387 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 5: I would say that when you look at it from 388 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 5: a standpoint of like, let's say other heavy metals that 389 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 5: are in fish, right, because they're more bottom of the 390 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 5: food chain type of a fish they have, they have 391 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 5: far fewer heavy metals like mercury compared to larger fish 392 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 5: like tuna or swordfish. But you can most certainly get 393 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 5: the good sources from you know, a good salmon or 394 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 5: a good mackerel as well, even like you know, uh, 395 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 5: some some fruits and nuts can provide some of the 396 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 5: similar nutrition that these do. But it's like it's it 397 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 5: just happens to be one of those foods that has 398 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 5: everything you need really kind of packed in one little 399 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 5: tiny package and it's you know, if you're getting the 400 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 5: right sources, it's an incredibly healthy source of food. 401 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: Okay, So how long is this TikTok trend? Because there's 402 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: a lot of stuff on TikTok which can be dangerous. 403 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 2: I mean, some of these kids are doing stupid stuff 404 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: on on TikTok. I assume this is not a stupid 405 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: stuff as a stupid thing as long as as long 406 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: as you can stomach the taste of or ideines. How 407 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 2: long has this been around? How does something like that 408 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: get started? 409 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 5: Well, you know, things that the different social media networks, obviously, 410 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 5: things go in different trends, and things go quick viral 411 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 5: quickly on TikTok, and and what ends up happening how 412 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 5: they go viral is they start to become this encompassing 413 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 5: thing and you know where it's like, this is the 414 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 5: one thing you need to fix your skin. And anytime 415 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 5: somebody says it's a one thing, it's never normally a 416 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 5: one thing. You know. Uh, you know, you know we 417 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 5: talked about big drivers, right, you know, like the sleeve quality, hydration, 418 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 5: blood sugar, all those things. So you're you know, it's 419 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 5: you've got to really be leary when you hear, oh, 420 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 5: this is the one thing you need to change your 421 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 5: life and whatever it is, and that's what ends up 422 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 5: happening a lot on TikTok. You know. The nice thing 423 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 5: about this particular trend, though, is there it's it's stems 424 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,959 Speaker 5: from a kernel of truth. Where it is is, you know, 425 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 5: a fantastic source of protein and omega threes and the 426 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 5: other things we discussed. 427 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 2: Okay, so here's a dumb question, but I got to 428 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 2: ask it anyway. Is there any indication that the sardine industry, 429 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: and I'm sure there is a sardine industry somewhere is 430 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: behind any of this? Or did just a couple of 431 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 2: kids one day stumble on it and all of a 432 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 2: sudden they told two friends, and those friends told two friends, 433 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: and those fends trend, you know, you know, sort of 434 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 2: like pyramid marketing. Two becomes full, becomes eight, becomes sixteen, 435 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 2: becomes one hundred and thirty, you know, becomes thirty two 436 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 2: and sixty four. And know what I'm saying, it's like 437 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: all of this, Yeah, it spreads like wildfire. Is that 438 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: how it actually happened? 439 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 5: Well, you know, there's no ever, I think, true evidence 440 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 5: when it comes to something that's viral. But I would 441 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 5: suspect that there could be some involvement with sardine companies 442 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 5: pushing it because who you know, when's the last time 443 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 5: you you know, you invested in a starting company. But 444 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 5: then it was really yeah, I really think it. Ever 445 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 5: from the fact that you know a lot of these 446 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 5: things that go viral that tend to be health related, 447 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 5: they do stem from that kernel of truth, and then 448 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 5: it goes to the extreme. 449 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: Wow, it certainly has here and what are they just 450 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 2: so that people know exactly what we're talking about. Is 451 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 2: this just a bunch of zen gen zers encouraging people 452 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: to incorporate sardines into their diet or is it more 453 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 2: extreme than that? Because the impression I had from my 454 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: producer today was that was it was almost like, you know, 455 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 2: eat lots of sardines and you know, maybe to the 456 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: exclusion of some other things that might be good for you. 457 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 5: Well, if somebody enjoys them, absolutely right, because of what 458 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 5: we said, But there's no need to turn it into 459 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 5: like a social media challenge, you know, and especially like 460 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 5: one of the things that you know, I think it 461 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 5: can be concerning. Is you know when people are talking 462 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 5: about you know, do you do you think you should 463 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 5: do like a gardines fast, right? You know I would say, uh, 464 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 5: you know, that's not I would strongly kind of caution 465 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 5: against that. You know, our bodies thrive on nutritional diversity. 466 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 5: Eating one only like one food, even a healthy one, 467 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 5: is never like an optimal strategy. You know, like sardines, 468 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 5: you know, nutritionally are great, but they don't contain everything 469 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 5: you need. You sti't need five or antioxidant, polyphenols, nutrients, vegetables, fruits, 470 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 5: all that, right, and they Another concern with with sardines 471 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 5: is sodium. There's they're they're chock full of sodium, right, 472 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 5: so you only need like sodium and salt are not 473 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 5: It's not a bad thing. It's minerals are good, but 474 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 5: you know there's a recommended intake. And you know, if 475 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 5: somebody is somebody that experiences acid reflux and things like that, 476 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 5: you would you would advise against it. 477 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 2: I always thought that sardines were a fish that were bony. 478 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 2: Uh you know, I know that all fish are bony, 479 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: but most fish that have some meat on them, whether 480 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: it's cod or salmon, uh, you know they they're able 481 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: to debone them. Can they debone sardines? Or or do 482 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: you gotta you got to eat them hook line and 483 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: sink or part in the pump. 484 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 5: You you eat them hook line and sink. I mean 485 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 5: you're eating bait, right, I mean but intended. The bones 486 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 5: in them are are an excellent source of the calcium. Right, 487 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 5: so you are eating I. 488 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: Know they were an excellent but I prefer chocolate milk, 489 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: to be honest with you. 490 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 5: Well again, it's like, you know, as long as you're 491 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 5: getting it, I'm happy for you, you know so. But 492 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 5: it's definitely it's funny the things that go viral. It's 493 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 5: funny the things that that people do, you know, to 494 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 5: get views. But there's nothing that beats good old, good 495 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 5: old habits and discipline on your and everything. 496 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 2: As your mother told you, everything in moderation. Paul, thanks 497 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 2: very much. If folks want to get more information on 498 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: Sino Shu Leutronic, give us the website real quickly. 499 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 5: It is ww dot sin A shore c y n 500 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 5: O s u r E Lutronic l U t r 501 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 5: O n i c dot com. I can be found 502 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 5: on on Instagram at bio functional Paul. 503 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 2: Okay, remember you don't need the w w W anymore. 504 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I still do it. I'm old We're 505 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 5: from the same demographics. I'm old school the same way. 506 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: So you're in your mid forties as well. Good to know. 507 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 2: Thank you, Paul, appreciate the time you read me. When 508 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 2: we get back on Night Side, looks like we have 509 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 2: reached our next guest. Keith O'Brien, New York Times bestselling 510 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: author and writer, has written a book called the Heart 511 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: called Heartland a Forgotten Place. By that he means French Lick, Indiana. 512 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: And I know we're going with this one. An Impossible 513 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 2: Dream in the Miracle of Larry Bird. We have Keith 514 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 2: O'Brien with us coming up right after the break. 515 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Ray on Boston's news radio. 516 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: Very happy to be joined by Keith O'Brien. Keith is 517 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 2: a New York Times best selling author and writer, and 518 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: he has a book that has come out, I believe 519 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: just within the last few days, called Heartland, a Forgotten 520 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: Place and Impossible Dream in the Miracle of Larry Bird. 521 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: Keith O'Brien, Welcome to Nightside. 522 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 5: How are you, sir, Hey Dan? 523 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 7: Great to be with you. Thanks for having me. 524 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 2: Well, I remember I worked in TV long time ago, 525 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 2: and I remember when Larry played his first game with 526 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: the Celtics. I was actually driving somewhere that night and 527 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: listening to the Celtics broadcast. We were quite excited about 528 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 2: Larry Bird in the fall of nineteen seventy nine, at 529 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 2: least Celtics fans were. But Larry Bird's basketball career five 530 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 2: years earlier, in your book, in the Fall of nineteen 531 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 2: seventy four, looked as if it had hit a dead end. 532 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's right, Dan. You know, so Heartland is 533 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 7: an origin story. You know, this story unfolds between nineteen 534 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 7: seventy three and nineteen nine. Everything else for me is 535 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 7: really epilogue material. It's it's, you know, not the usual 536 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 7: bird magic story. It really is the story of this 537 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 7: unlikely underdog hero, Larry Bird, who you know, as you 538 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 7: said in the fall of seventy four, it really is 539 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 7: coming dangerously close to slipping away forever. You know, most 540 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 7: Celtics fans know. You know, Bird briefly in roles at 541 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 7: Indiana University, briefly has a scholarship to play for Bobby Knight. 542 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 7: He's there for all of three weeks. And you know, 543 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 7: I did a lot of reporting in in the book 544 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 7: about what happens there, but you know what happens next 545 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 7: is completely forgotten. You know, when he returns home to 546 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 7: French Lick, Ian rolls in vocational school, he plays for 547 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 7: the basketball team there, then he quits that school, and 548 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 7: that's when Larry gets that job for the city street 549 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 7: department in French Lick, where, among other duties, he's collecting 550 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 7: the trad And by late February early March seventy five, 551 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 7: you know, Larry Bird's family is struggling. His father has unraveled, 552 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 7: tragedy has strike has struck the Bird family, and Larry 553 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 7: himself has drifted all the way to the edge of 554 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 7: the basketball map. He is playing effectively a glorified pick 555 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 7: up basketball and what was known as the Industrial League 556 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 7: in rural Indiana. He's saying out loud that he's not 557 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 7: returning to college. And were it not for a man 558 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 7: named Bill Hodges Down his luck, assistant coach at Indiana States, 559 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 7: we might never have heard the name Larry Bird. 560 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 2: So he did he cross swords with Bobby Knight. Obviously 561 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 2: Knight was pretty mercurial. You kind of did it the 562 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 2: Bobby Knight way or you didn't do it at all? 563 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 2: Was that part of the story? 564 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 5: You know? 565 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 7: Not really? You know, Knight's real problem is that he 566 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 7: doesn't know Lair at all. You know, Larry has come 567 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 7: from really an impoverished background. Orange County, Indiana, where Larry 568 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 7: grows up, is one of the poorest counties in the 569 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 7: state of Indiana in the nineteen seventies. Larry's family has struggled. 570 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 7: You know, he arrives in Bloomington, you know, feeling poor, 571 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 7: feeling alone. Knight doesn't know any of that. He hasn't 572 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 7: taken a minute to get to know Larry Bird at all. 573 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 8: That is real, is in a scholarship, Absolutely yes, that 574 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 8: you would think that Knight would have said, hey, is 575 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 8: my guy? 576 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 7: Well, let's remember, you know, this is a really good 577 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 7: Indiana Hoosiers team in the fall of seventy four, even 578 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 7: without Bird. There are four future NBA players in that 579 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 7: locker room. Without Bird, that Indiana team is going to 580 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 7: go sixty three and one over the next two seasons. 581 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 7: You know, they're going to lose one two years without Bird. 582 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 7: So they're great, they know it, and you know Bird, 583 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 7: you know, wasn't you know, considered a top fifteen player 584 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 7: in the state of Indiana in nineteen seventy four. He's 585 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 7: not first team All State, he's not second team All State. 586 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 7: He's honorable mention All States. And you know, because of that, 587 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 7: they really don't know what they have. Bird's you know, 588 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 7: a sensitive young man at that moment in time, and 589 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 7: you know, he bristles at what's happening there, how he feels, 590 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 7: and he hitch hikes home to French Lick and I 591 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 7: pinpointed the exact day when it happened. It's Friday, September thirteenth, 592 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 7: nineteen seventy four. Larry Bird goes home. 593 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 2: Wow, what may have never come to be? Obviously, he 594 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 2: goes to Indiana States, has a great career there, you know, 595 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 2: drafted by the Celtics and the rest history. How accessible 596 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 2: was Larry for this book, Keith, because you know, I know, 597 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 2: he was not someone who was He had his friends 598 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 2: in the media, but he wasn't somebody who was quick 599 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 2: and easy to understand. 600 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 7: Well, you know, Larry, you know, wanted to disappear from 601 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 7: the moment the spotlight found him in the fall of 602 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 7: nineteen seventy seven. You know, that's when Larry Bird appears 603 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 7: on his first Sports Illustrated cover. He doesn't want to 604 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 7: go to that photo shoot. He doesn't want to be there, 605 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 7: He doesn't want the attention. He definitely doesn't want to 606 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 7: answer questions about his life. And you know, I tried 607 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 7: to get to Larry. You know, I made great efforts 608 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 7: to speak to Larry for this book and he did 609 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 7: not participate with me. 610 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 3: But you know it's going to I've learned. 611 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 5: I've learned over the years. 612 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, I've learned over the years that you know, you 613 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,760 Speaker 7: can often get a more accurate portrait of the person 614 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,959 Speaker 7: by talking to twenty forty one hundred people around them 615 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 7: than you can by talking to the him or herself. 616 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,240 Speaker 7: And frankly, Dan, you know, this story is bigger than Larry. 617 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 7: You know, this is you know, the story of his 618 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 7: rise and his origin story for sure, but it is 619 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 7: also the story of this underdog Indiana State team. It's 620 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 7: the story of a team, a time, a place, and 621 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 7: a moment. And I'll tell you Dan, that moment in Indiana, 622 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 7: you know, still reverberates today. This season, this miracle season 623 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,760 Speaker 7: that Bird has in nineteen seventy nine, is so big 624 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 7: that it lifts everybody up and it changes everything. 625 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like a great book. Looking forward to 626 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 2: reading it. Heartland of Agotten Place and Impossible Dream in 627 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 2: the Miracle of Larry Bird by Keith O'Brien. Keith, obviously 628 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 2: you are most importantly are a journalist because to take 629 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 2: on a job like this about Larry Bird and to 630 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 2: deal with all the people who were so critical in 631 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 2: his life, it has to be a work of love 632 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 2: on your part, and as a journalist, I think it 633 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 2: probably made it a better book by not having Larry 634 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 2: to be really honest with you. I'm looking forward to 635 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 2: reading it, I really am. 636 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 3: I appreciate that. 637 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 2: Dan. 638 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 3: You know I'll be at. 639 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 7: Events in New England all week. I'm at the Bookshop 640 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 7: of Beverly Farms on Tuesday nights. I'm at the Silver 641 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 7: Unicorn and Acting on Wednesday, and I'm at the Brookline 642 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 7: Booksmith on Thursday this week. 643 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 2: So which one in Beverly Farms is I have friends 644 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 2: in Beverly Farms. I'll make sure they show up. 645 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 7: That's called the Bookshop of Beverly Farms. It's a wonderful 646 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 7: independent bookseller there. What time is that I event at 647 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 7: six o'clock tomorrow? 648 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 2: All right, all right, I'll see if I get my 649 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 2: friends to stop by. Thank you, Keeith, thank you very 650 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 2: much for your time tonight. I appreciate it very much. 651 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 2: Best of luck with this book. 652 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 7: Thanks for having me, Dan, You're very welcome. 653 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 2: When we get back, we're going to be talking with 654 00:37:55,960 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 2: Rick soby the Boston Herald. A fabulous story about a 655 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 2: guy that was serving three life sentences in Massachusetts and 656 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 2: has just been granted a unanimous parole at the age 657 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 2: of sixty one. Where do you hear? What this guy did? 658 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,760 Speaker 2: Never should be seeing the light of day, In my opinion, 659 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 2: Rick Sobey broke the story back on Nightside right after 660 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 2: the nine o'clock news