1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Good morning, gentlemen. I'm with Dragon on this one. I 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: do not use GPS for nearly anything. As matter of fact, 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: the only thing I use maps for is kind of 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: like how we used to use an ant list. I 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: will map out my route ahead of time using maps 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: if necessary, but almost never do I use the GPS function. 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: I think it's more important to know where you're heading in. 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: Like Dragon said, leave with enough time. 9 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: You and me, buddy, we're the weird ones. It's okay, though, 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: we stand united. 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 3: Leave with enough time, not knowing what obstacles may be 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 3: in your way. That regardless of how unless you just 13 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 3: leave two hours early for a five minute drive that wait, 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 3: you know, wait till the apocalypse hes and and you 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 3: know you're driving in, we'll still be required to get here. 16 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 3: If we don't get here, if we don't broadcast, we're 17 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 3: gonna get adopted and pay and probably chastise and get 18 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 3: in trouble. And we won't be able to broadcast because 19 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 3: you'll have zombies attacking surrounding your car. Oh wait a minute, 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: Oh that's Washington d C. Here. 21 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 4: I'm maybe we'll just be I don't know, real zombies 22 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 4: and nothing. 23 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: That you and I are essential employees. 24 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 4: That's right. Badges to prove it, that's right. 25 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: I said my little card that says I'm an essential employee. 26 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 3: Martin Luther King, you know, dreamed of a time when 27 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: his little children would be judged, you know, by the 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 3: not by the color of their skin, but by the 29 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 3: content of their character. And for sixty plus years now 30 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: we've lived under the well intentioned, but I think fundamentally 31 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: racist assumption, and that is that black voters can only 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: be represented by black politicians. Hispanic voters can only be 33 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: represented by Hispanic politicians. But I can't really find any 34 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: cases where we make the argument that Asian voters Asian 35 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 3: Americans can only be represented by Asian Americans. The problem 36 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: is that the premise of that statement is enshrined in 37 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 3: Section two of the Voting Rights Act in nineteen sixty five, 38 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: and that provision has forced states to draw congressional districts 39 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 3: according to race, not citizenship, not the idea of what 40 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 3: is a community, or even competence. It began as an 41 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: attempt to expand opportunity that devolved into a mandate for 42 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 3: racial segregation in politics. Imagine that the Voting's Right the 43 00:02:54,600 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: Voting Rights Act actually had the unintended consequence of saying 44 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: that only blacks can be represented by black politicians. It 45 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 3: did something else too. He gave rise to a generation 46 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: of racial opportunists who used the people like Al Sharpton 47 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 3: began to emerge. 48 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 4: And what were they doing. 49 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 3: They're exploiting the new racial order so they can inflame 50 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: grievances and then they could profit from the perpetual outrage, 51 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: create even more outrage, profit even more, go on to 52 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: get their own TV programs, spill their racist dietribes on 53 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 3: cable television, all of which proves that the voting's right. 54 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: The Voting Rights Act did not heal America's racial wounds. 55 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 3: What it did it was it actually institutionalized them. The 56 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: Court has heard a case called Louisiana versus cala. It 57 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: gave the justices a chance to correct this moral and 58 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 3: constitutional error. The idea that race determines representation, I think 59 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 3: contradicts the very foundation of American equality. The Equal Protection 60 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 3: Clause promises that government will treat all citizens alike without 61 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: regard to race, color, creed, anything. Equal protection. It's pretty simple, 62 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 3: but we've made it very complex and convoluted in its application. 63 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: So the voting Rights Act for decades required states to 64 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: do the opposite. It required the states to treat voters 65 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 3: differently depending on the color of their skin because Section 66 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 3: two of the Voting Rights Act forced state legislatures to 67 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: draw so called majority minority districts. 68 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:00,799 Speaker 4: One of those. 69 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 3: That's where racial identity, not a shared geography, not a 70 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: shared economy, not a shared culture, that it was simply 71 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: racial identity that defined political belonging. The logic was well, 72 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 3: the logic was probably pretty clear, but it was an 73 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: anathema to the idea of equal protection. If white voters 74 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: prefer white candidates and black voters prefer black candidates, then 75 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 3: the only fair system is one that guarantees each group 76 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: its own representative. White people should be able to just 77 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 3: select white people, and black people should just be able 78 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 3: to like black people. That thinking is racial determinism masquerading 79 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: as equal rights as equal protection. And you know who 80 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: champions that idea, Democrats. Why because they found in those 81 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: arrangements a source of immense political power. 82 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 4: Because if you. 83 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: Divide voters along racial lines, what do you do. You 84 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:14,119 Speaker 3: create the illusion of some sort of moral virtue while 85 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 3: cementing partisan control. So that system where you you know, 86 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: you encourage racial pandering and grievance politics. It further divides, 87 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 3: It keeps the You know we talk about the the 88 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 3: church of the climate activists, Well you got the Church 89 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: of the racial division that is active all the time. 90 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 3: They really don't want us to get along. They want 91 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 3: racial division. So what happens then is that candidates learn 92 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: that appealing to racial solidarity could win them office parties 93 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 3: learned that protecting racially gerrymandered congressional districts could preserve their dominance. 94 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: The result of that is not Martin Luther King's dream 95 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: of a country where his children would be judged by 96 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: the content of their character. Instead, it created a country 97 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: where you're judged by the color of your skin. It 98 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: wasn't racial harmony. It was actually it was a form 99 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: of political apartheid, a system in which the color of 100 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: one's district dictated the color of one's representative. That meant, 101 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 3: in practice that white, Black, Hispanic and Asian voters were 102 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: encouraged to see themselves not as citizens bound by some 103 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: sort of shared interest, but instead you were a member 104 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 3: of a competing tribe vying for its state sanctioned power. 105 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: That's why the Equal Protection clause is so vitally important 106 00:07:53,840 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: to this republic. Everyone gets treated equally. Doesn't make any difference. 107 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: How much money is in your bank account, doesn't make 108 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 3: any difference. What color your skin is. Does it make 109 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 3: a difference who you sleep with? None of it. We're 110 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: supposed to have these shared values, and one of those 111 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: shared values is that we're all made in the image 112 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: of God. We're all treated equally, and in all aspects 113 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: of our lives, we are going to treat each other equally. 114 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 3: You know, one thing interesting, just as a parenthetical before 115 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: I get into more details about this case, is whenever 116 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: the Voting Rights Act or the Civil Rights Act, in 117 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 3: any of these acts from the sixties get renewed, they 118 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 3: get renewed for say, twenty years, and then they come 119 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: back twenty years later and they review it again. They 120 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: review it for another twenty years, and then another twenty years, 121 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: and then another twenty years. Well, what does that mean. 122 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: That means that in practice, we're never going to reach 123 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: racial equality. It means that we're always going to be 124 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 3: dividing ourselves based upon racial lines. And if we're always 125 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 3: going to continue to continue to renew these that means 126 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 3: that we're going to continue dividing the country along racial lines, 127 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: which means that the Church of the racial activists will 128 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 3: they'll be able to continue to raise money, sow division, 129 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: and make money on racial divides. This racialization of representation 130 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: in congressional seats and in state districts has distorted this 131 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 3: republic for decades now because it's rewarded racial entrepreneurs, think 132 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 3: Al Sharpton, and it's punished anybody that's genuinely trying to 133 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: build a coalition among all Americans based upon a geography 134 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 3: or community or like minded interests. It's turned elections into 135 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 3: the equivalent of a census count, and in doing that, 136 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 3: it has allowed the Democrat Party to claim permanent ownership 137 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: over minority voters and portraying any effort to reform. Oh 138 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 3: my gosh, if we want to reform or redraw these maps, 139 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 3: or we want to get rid of the Voting Rights 140 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: Act and just treat everybody the same, regardless of skin color, 141 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, that's an attack on civil rights and 142 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 3: that's racist, and that's bigotry. 143 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 4: Wait a minute. 144 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 3: The truth is the Voting Rights Act, at least in 145 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 3: section two form codifies discrimination. It doesn't cure discrimination. It 146 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: makes discrimination the law. It told Americans. It told us 147 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 3: that justice requires sorting people into congressional districts based on race. 148 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 4: Well, isn't that the very definition of racism? 149 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 3: The injury to the constitution equal protection clause and the 150 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: idea that we're all created equal, That injury is deep. 151 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: And as long as we keep dividing ourselves this way, 152 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 3: that division. 153 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 4: Is going to get even deeper. 154 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: The Equal Protection clause forbids prevents prohibit states from classifying 155 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: citizens by race unless they can show a compelling government 156 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: interest that is narrowly tailored to that specific classification. 157 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 4: I don't know that there is a compelling government. 158 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: Interest in dividing us up based on race for any reason. 159 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 3: College admissions Wait a minute, I thought college admissions were 160 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: supposed to be based on merit admissions to a private school. 161 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 3: I thought I was supposed to be based on merit 162 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: admissions to anything. I thought it was supposed to be 163 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 3: based on merit. But over the years, the court stretched 164 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: that standard of having to show you know you can 165 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 3: you can discriminate if you can show a compelling government interest. Well, 166 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 3: the court stretched that standard beyond recognition because all they 167 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 3: wanted to do was try to justify the Voting Rights Acts, 168 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: demands that we create districts that are racially identified. They 169 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: treated racial gerrymandering, Well, that's just a necessary evil. It's 170 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: a temporary which keeps getting extended and extended and extended. 171 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 3: It's a temporary correction to a past injustice. But if 172 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 3: a temporary solution gets renewed, renewed, renewed, renewed, it soon 173 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 3: becomes an essence permanent, and it becomes permanent because nobody 174 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 3: has the cajones to stand up and say, wait a minute, 175 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: what we're doing is we're creating. We're we're telling the 176 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: state legislatures that when they start drawing up congressional districts 177 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 3: that rather than focus on geography and community and can cohesion. No, 178 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: if you've got a certain percentage of blacks, then you 179 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 3: ought to have a certain percentage of congressional districts that 180 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 3: represent those blacks. You divide people up based on race. 181 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 3: So what became, or what began, I should say, as 182 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 3: a measure to try to overcome Jim Crow, actually became 183 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: a system of racial entrenchment. I mean, I wouldn't go 184 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 3: so far as to say it installed Jim Crow, because 185 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 3: Jim Crow was way way worse than what we're talking 186 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 3: about here in terms of jerry mandring. But even after 187 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: black and Hispanic candidates started winning office without the crutch 188 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 3: of racial districts, they continue to renew and renew and 189 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 3: renew Section two of the Voting Rights Act as justification 190 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 3: for perpetuating. Now, the case heard by the Supreme Court 191 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 3: Louisiana versus Kayak Calais, could actually end that contradiction because 192 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: the case asks a simple question whether the states must 193 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 3: continue creating majority minority districts under Section two when doing 194 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 3: so requires the states to explicitly sort people by race. 195 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 4: Now, if the. 196 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 3: Court overturns Section two's current interpretation, there could be as 197 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: many or more than twenty seven congressional districts across the 198 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 3: entire country that could be redrawn. Now, that would not 199 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: be racial regression. It would be constitutional restoration. You know, 200 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 3: we would get back to the idea of equal protection 201 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: under the law and that all citizens are in fact, 202 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: all men are created equal. It would affirm that every 203 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 3: American doesn't make a difference what your color is is 204 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: can vote for him be represented by any candidate who 205 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: goes out campaigns and earns that person's trust and therefore 206 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 3: asks for and gets their vote. Why shouldn't we have 207 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 3: Why why shouldn't it be that way? Well, because the 208 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 3: opponents of reforming by eliminating section two says that's going 209 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 3: to disenfranchise minority voters. That's false, and that's false because 210 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: it means recognizing that minority voters are not a monolith 211 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 3: and that their political rights are individual not collective. It 212 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 3: means acknowledging that black Hispanic Asian citizens do not require 213 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 3: separate districts to have a voice. In fact, I would 214 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 3: argue that by eliminating this majority minority requirement, it's actually 215 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 3: going to increase participation. It means that if you're a 216 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: black candidate, you have to go out and try to 217 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: earn even more white votes. If you're a white candidate, 218 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: you have to go out and try to earn even 219 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: more black votes. 220 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: Same true of Asians. 221 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: It means it means that candidates treat every voter as 222 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: an equal participant in self government. The way we're doing 223 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: it now, we're playing politics by demographics. We're not playing 224 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 3: politics based on I'm in this congressional district. This congressional 225 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 3: districts boundaries have been drawn based upon natural geographic lines, 226 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 3: natural community lines, and natural lines that exist based on 227 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 3: just how where those voters reside, not on the demographics 228 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 3: of those voters. Somehow, the claim that a black citizen 229 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 3: cannot be represented by a white legislator or vice versa, 230 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: that itself is racist. So the Supreme Court should reject 231 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 3: this majority minority district bull crap decisively. 232 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 4: Now. 233 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: I know that there's one member of the so called 234 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: liberal wing of the Supreme Court, Katanji Jackson Brown, that 235 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 3: will never vote for this. I doubt the other two 236 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 3: will either, so to my Or and Kagan, but they 237 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 3: should because they should recognize that what we're doing is 238 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 3: we're saying that we're literally saying that blacks can only 239 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 3: be represented by blacks and whites can only be represented 240 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 3: by whites. How much more racist can you get than that? 241 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 3: I mean, it's truly absurd. Don't you think at some 242 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: point will outgrow the logic of racial representation? In fact, 243 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: I think we have. Look at the twenty twenty four election, 244 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 3: it showed that voters increasingly defied racial stereotypes. Trump earned 245 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 3: record support among black and Hispanic voters. That isself demon 246 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: straits that political identity is not bound by race, and 247 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 3: then white voters in states like South Carolina, Utah, in Florida, 248 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 3: they have repeatedly elected black and Hispanic concervatives to high office. 249 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 3: That exposes the lie at the heart of Section two 250 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 3: that racial identity determines political allegiance all inner credity. You're 251 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 3: right about checking that traffic on the GPS. Hell, I 252 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 3: look at the traffic on the phone more than I 253 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: look at the traffic in front of me. Ain't nothing 254 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 3: better than trying to diter erect but cut through a 255 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 3: neighborhood in. 256 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 4: This rig, driving through the. 257 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 3: Church parking lot, cutting across the park. 258 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 2: And yet I'm the weird one. 259 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 3: The problem with his talkbacks is that my brain and 260 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 3: meat immediately goes into imagination mode. 261 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 4: I can just see him doing it. It's just this doll. 262 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 3: Can't you just see him swarming through the parking lot 263 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 3: of the church and tearing up, you know, some poor 264 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 3: little playground somewhere because he's in a hurry to get someplace. 265 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 3: He's got to deliver that crap so he can dump 266 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 3: it off and then you know, go drink the rest 267 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 3: of the day, or you know, look for lot lizards 268 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 3: or whatever. He does I mean good grief? Oh yes, 269 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 3: I saw that the different Posts has been operating rent 270 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 3: free in the city owned building for some time now. 271 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 3: But this one twenty two ninety three is at is 272 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: spot on, Mike. If Section two of the Voting Rights 273 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: Act stays, then what do we do with ninety seven 274 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 3: percent white Boulder represented by a black man. I hadn't 275 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 3: even thought about in a goose that just your honor, 276 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 3: I arrest my case. They ought to use that in 277 00:19:54,280 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 3: their oral arguments about why this whole minority majority districting 278 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 3: Jerry Mannery needs to stop. But I want you to 279 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 3: think about what I wanted to prepare you. Now. 280 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 4: We obviously won't get this ruling until later in the year. 281 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 3: But if the Supreme Court were to strike down Section two, 282 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: can't you just hear the howls of Democrats. Oh my god, 283 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 3: we're gonna go it's the pre civil rights era. Donald 284 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 3: Trump is a racist, He's a fascist, and he is 285 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 3: going to go out and kill black people and brown people. 286 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 3: But really the reality is the opposite, because if we 287 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 3: abolish race based districts, that would finally, finally, after all 288 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 3: these decades of all these voting rights and civil rights acts, 289 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 3: It would bring the civil rights law in line with 290 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: the principle that gave it birth to begin with, that 291 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 3: government should and must be color blind. It would also 292 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 3: do it also has some other effects. It would end 293 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 3: the practice of racial cartography, racial map drawing, where the 294 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 3: politicians carve up communities because they want to engineer specific 295 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 3: racial outcomes. And it would replace the math of skin 296 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 3: color with the math of citizenship. And it would restore 297 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: to the states their constitutional authority so they can draw 298 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 3: congressional and for that matter, state representative state senate districts 299 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 3: too on traditional neutral criteria compactness, contiguity, geography, community, and 300 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 3: not the headcount of how many Blacks do we have 301 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 3: in this how many Asians do we have, how many 302 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 3: white people do we have? And it's not going to 303 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 3: silence minority voices, it would actually dignify them. I still 304 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 3: for those who for those in the black community who 305 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 3: genuflect in front of the al Sharptons of the world. 306 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 3: You know, Jesse Jackson's kind of disappeared, hasn't he Is 307 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 3: he ill or something? Anyway, those who genuflect in front 308 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 3: of all the race baters, I always think, stop it 309 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 3: dignify yourself, and most blacks have. They've realized the American dream. 310 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 3: They have gone out, they've worked hard, they've studied hard, 311 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 3: they've made lives for themselves. And yet over here we 312 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 3: treat them as if they've got to be treated with 313 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: kid gloves, that somehow have to treat them differently. How 314 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 3: the meaning can you be to a black person or 315 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 3: to an Asian person. I ain't mean it when I 316 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 3: think it would dignify them. It would say that, you 317 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 3: know what, Joe de Goose, I don't agree with virtually 318 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 3: any of his policy or his politics. He represents the 319 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 3: people's republic of Boulder. How much more dignified can you 320 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 3: get than that? And speaking of the congressional district based 321 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 3: on community, Yes, there you've got a liberal congressional district 322 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 3: and look at it, represent mostly white represented by a 323 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 3: black man. How much more dignity do you need? That 324 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 3: says that black and Hispanic Americans don't need government mandated 325 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: racial safe spaces in order to compete in politics. They 326 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 3: can and do when and he's proof of that. And unfortunately, 327 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 3: but I mean that sarcastically. Fortunately they went on the 328 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 3: strength of their ideas. I don't necessarily like his ideas, 329 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 3: but he won based on his ideas his positions. So 330 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: eliminating Section two with free black people and Asians for 331 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 3: that matter, from the patronizing assumption that only Democrats, or 332 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 3: only Democrats of their own candidates of their own race, 333 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 3: can speak for them based on their race, and quite frankly, 334 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 3: it would free white and Asian voters from this stupid 335 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 3: guilt that many of them carry around that's been bred 336 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: by decades of race based policymaking. I want us to 337 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 3: be a nation that is color blind, and this is 338 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 3: a great place to start, because the irony of the 339 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 3: Voting Rights Act is that when they try to cure 340 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 3: racial discrimination, they're actually institutionalizing it. When we divide Americans 341 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 3: to categories and then we demand that we have political 342 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 3: boundaries to match the categories, that entrenches the very divisions 343 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 3: that they claim that they're trying to heal. We've been 344 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 3: living within this Orwellian language for decades now. Now that's 345 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 3: not to say that at a time that there was 346 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 3: a time and a place for the Voting Rights Act. 347 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 3: I believe there was. But since then, we have proven 348 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 3: both black candidates and black candidates being elected by white 349 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 3: voters and black voters electing a white candidate Donald Trump. 350 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 3: I think we've moved beyond that point by dividing Americans 351 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 3: into these categories. In continuing to do so year after 352 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 3: year after year, and then demanding political boundaries to match, 353 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 3: entrenches the very divisions that back in the nineteen sixties 354 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 3: we said we needed to stop. 355 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 4: Section two is done. 356 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 3: It has simply outlived its moral and constitutional justification. So 357 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 3: the time has come to replace racial math with just 358 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 3: civic equality. We're never going to move beyond racial and 359 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 3: identity politics until we take a bold move, which I 360 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 3: hope the Supreme Court does and says, wait a minute, 361 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 3: you're institutionalizing racism here. So when the court hears, when 362 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 3: the Court searts deciding Louisiana versus Kela, it will face 363 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 3: not just a legal question in the back of their minds, 364 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 3: they have to look at the moral question facing them too. 365 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: And it's pretty simple. Are we going to cling to 366 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 3: some sort of mid twentieth century logic to sease Americans 367 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 3: as racial blocks or is it going to finally affirm 368 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 3: a twenty first century truth that we are one people, 369 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 3: that we are equal under the law, and that we 370 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: actually are a color blind society. Well, I think the 371 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 3: answer ought to be clear. In fact, I think the 372 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 3: answer is clear. Equality means representation without regard to race, 373 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 3: and freedom means voting for anybody you choose, not for 374 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 3: those chosen for you by math racial math. Justice actually 375 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 3: means a color blind republic. So if the Court does 376 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 3: have the courage to strike down Section two, history will remember, 377 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 3: will remember that day last week when they heard this 378 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 3: case as the day that America desegregated its politics for 379 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 3: the first time, and for the first time in six decades. 380 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 3: Citizens will not be told that their vote is bound 381 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 3: to their skin color. They will be told, rightfully so 382 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 3: that their vote is bound only to their conscience. The cabal, 383 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: the left, the Democrat Party will cling with their fingernails 384 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 3: as they hang over the edge. And if the Court 385 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 3: does eliminate Section two, I just want you to prepare 386 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 3: if they announce this decision in September or October, that 387 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 3: you will recognize that they did the right thing. Otherwise, 388 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 3: we're never ever going to become a colorblind society. 389 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 5: You know, guys, Day to day, I don't really know 390 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 5: the point of driving with the GPS. I mean, I 391 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 5: can pretty much get around anywhere in town. I haven't 392 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 5: sat in traffic in the entire year i've been here. 393 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 5: I can get from my house to the other side 394 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 5: of town, across city limits in about twenty minutes. And really, 395 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 5: since I'm not running into traffic, the only thing I 396 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 5: might want to stop for is to take a look 397 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 5: at a moose or a bear. But if I'm in 398 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 5: a hurry, I'll just drive past and see the next one. 399 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 5: Not really a question, no GPS here. 400 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 4: How much do we hate him? 401 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 2: I'm pretty good with him right now. 402 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 3: He's on my side, Yeah, but he's on your side 403 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 3: because he's bragging about Yeah, I just drive to work. 404 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 3: I go all the way across town in ten or 405 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 3: twenty minutes. Hell, you and I can't get to the 406 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 3: McDonald's in ten or twenty minutes, and it's a mile 407 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 3: from here. 408 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 4: True. 409 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 3: And do we see moose or bear or deer or 410 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 3: anything else up you know? No, we just see the 411 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 3: homeless encampments, so we see, you know, and. 412 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 4: Then the you know. 413 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 3: So yesterday, I'm coming back from a meeting and the 414 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: wind is blowing like you know, it's like a hurricane 415 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 3: blowing down the interstate. And there's a sign that says 416 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 3: caution street sweeping ahead. So I'm watching the wind all 417 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 3: the dirt, you know, there's all the dirt and trash 418 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 3: and everything's accumulated along the medians and along the shoulders, 419 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 3: and it's all blowing it out into the street, and 420 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 3: the street sweepers just you know, mosing along the side, 421 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 3: not sweeping up anything because it's all up in the 422 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 3: air where it's now in the middle of the street. 423 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: I was actually pretty pleased with all of the wind 424 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: yesterday because now I no longer need to rake my 425 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 2: front yard. 426 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: Why do people rake their yards because I like the 427 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 3: leaves in the yard. Well, I grew up in the 428 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 3: middle of the plains that you know we had. We 429 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 3: had in the entire county. We had four trees. So 430 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 3: when it turned fall and the leaves fell, we all 431 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 3: drove and look at the leaves on the ground. Not 432 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 3: like here, you know, where you have miles and miles 433 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 3: of backup traffic so you can go. Tamra wanted to 434 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 3: go look at the leaves. It's been a couple of 435 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 3: years ago, and I warned her. I said, maybe we 436 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 3: got to do it during the week There's no do 437 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 3: it on the weekend. No, I want to go this weekend. Okay, 438 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: so we went this one weekend. 439 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 4: To use a GPS. 440 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 3: No because I knew where I was going, But I 441 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 3: wish I had. I could have shown look that's red. 442 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 3: Why don't we drive? Why don't we just drive around town? 443 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: Look at the leaves. In fact, yesterday, what it was like. 444 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 3: I was coming back from that meeting and I was 445 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 3: coming down uh down by through wash Park that area. 446 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 3: My gosh, it was gorgeous. The leaves were just beautiful 447 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 3: because you know they haven't they have all blown down off, 448 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 3: falling off. Yeah, yeah, they all falling off. 449 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 4: Yeah. 450 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 3: The Republicans ated demanding a investigation. There's a man that 451 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 3: was filmed actually urging people to murder Ice agents at 452 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,959 Speaker 3: a No King's rally in Chicago. So they were mostly 453 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 3: peaceful because well nobody was overturning cop cars and nobody 454 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 3: was vandalizing anything. Instead they were shouting, you gotta grab 455 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 3: a gun. We got to turn around the guns on 456 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 3: this fascist system. These Ice agents gotta get shot and 457 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 3: wiped out. The same machinery that's on full display right there. 458 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 4: Has to get wiped out. 459 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 3: Hmm. He happens to be a professor at a college 460 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 3: in Chicago Wilbert Wright College calling for ICE agents to 461 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 3: get shot and wiped out. That seems like a pretty 462 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 3: direct criminal threat. I mean, again, it's on video. You 463 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 3: gotta grab a gun. We got to turn around the 464 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 3: guns on this fascist system. These ICE agents gotta get 465 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 3: shot and wiped out. The same machinery that's on full 466 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 3: display right there has to get wiped out. Yeah, he 467 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 3: can say it. He is a First Amendment right to 468 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 3: say that. Well he technically, yes, he has a free 469 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 3: speech right to say that. But I think that's getting 470 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 3: pretty close to inciting violence. When you say that, you've 471 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 3: got to they've got to get shot and they've got 472 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 3: to get wiped out. That might have crossed the line, 473 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 3: but let's just say it doesn't. He has the right 474 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 3: to say it. So he says it, and now he 475 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 3: needs to several the consequences. Do you think he should 476 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 3: get fired from the college. I don't think the college 477 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 3: is said anything about it yet. The Department of Justice 478 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 3: says that they're actively tracking these targeted assaults against law 479 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 3: enforcement and will hold defenders accountable to the fullest extent 480 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 3: of the law. Now, I don't know when you've had 481 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 3: snipers trying to shoot ICE agents. And then you go 482 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 3: out to a rally where people are already hyped up, 483 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 3: and you say that I think it might just cross 484 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 3: the law.