1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: It's nice, I'm telling you easy Boston News Radio. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 2: Probably welcome back, everybody, and thanks very much Dan Watkins 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: as he continues to keep us up on things. It's 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 2: been a few days since I've talked with you, and 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: I have a topic I want to talk about tonight. 6 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 2: But I also just want to mention that I, for one, 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: am stunned, stunned that the kidnapping case, which I assume 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: is still a kidnapping case in Tucson, Arizona, Nancy Guthrie, 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: has not been solved. I mean, this is the third week, 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: We're getting close to halfway through the third week, and 11 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 2: I've watched that even while I was away for a 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 2: few days, and at some point later on this week 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: we'll probably touch upon that. I kind of imagine what 14 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: the family is going through. 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: It was. 16 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: It was helpful, perhaps for that internally to see that 17 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: no one within the immediate family now are under suspicion, 18 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: although I know that there was. There were some rumors 19 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: out there which a couple of my good callers wanted 20 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: to try to talk about on air, but I didn't 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: want to, and so my instinct there was better safe 22 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: than sorry, and in this instance, the instinct was correct. 23 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: I I don't know what to say about this shooting 24 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: down in Pawtucket, this multiple shooting down in Pawtucket, Rhode Island, yesterday. 25 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it's Patucket or North Providence. I've 26 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: seen it reported as both. I know that part of 27 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: the state of Rhode Island pretty well, and I met 28 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: a couple of kids go through and play high school hockey, 29 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: my son and daughter. It just to me is almost 30 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: sacrilegious that someone would would go to an event like that, 31 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: which which is considered, you. 32 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: Know, the the end of. 33 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: The senior season, and to have that disrupted that way, 34 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: not to mention the family deaths, that unimaginable. So I 35 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 2: don't know that we'll talk about that later because I 36 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: really don't think there's much to be said on it. 37 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 3: It's not one of those topics that that you really 38 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 3: can can talk about. 39 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 2: But I do have a couple of topics i'd like 40 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: to get to and i'd like to get your your 41 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 2: input on, because it these these topics that I have 42 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: bothered me. There was an article to Boston Herald today 43 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: by Rick Soby, and it was it's It started off 44 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: as a little tongue in cheek, and he was referring 45 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 2: to He begins by saying, what a difference a year 46 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: makes for the Andersons. After disgraced ex Boston City Council 47 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: at Tanya Fernandez Anderson was convicted and jailed on federal 48 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 2: corruption charges last year, she can now welcome home her husban, 49 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: a convicted murderer who was initially sentenced to life without parole. 50 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: It caught my eye, and I had heard about this 51 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: case a little bit, but I spent a good part 52 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: of the day reading the the Supreme Court decision upholding 53 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: the appeals Court decision upholding the conviction. Her husband's name 54 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: is a tens serious Zurius Anderson. So just to keep 55 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: it simple, the timeline simple, can your Fernandez Anderson and 56 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: I have no idea how they met, but she married 57 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: him in twenty and thirteen while he was serving his 58 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: sentence for life in prison without parole. 59 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 3: The story of the. 60 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: Crime is horrifying, horrifying, Okay, In simplest form for those 61 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: of you who are not familiar familiar with this story, 62 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: there was a victim. He was thirty five years old 63 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 2: at the time, so he was not and you know, 64 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 2: a person who had not even lived half of their life. Okay. 65 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: His name was Imam Yasbeck. He was a man who 66 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: had come here from Lebanon, and at that time he 67 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: he owned I guess you'd call it a variety store 68 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: in Brighton, and circumstances combined to have some very bad 69 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: people meet on in March of two thousand. 70 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 3: They were. 71 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: Again I'm going to call him a small business owner 72 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: and just leave it at that, okay. And there were 73 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: two people, three people, a man and two women who 74 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: made almost a spur of the moment decision. 75 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 3: To rob this guy. So the woman whose name is Tate, 76 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 3: not going to buy you. 77 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: With all of the details, but she came up with 78 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 2: the bright idea of robbing this gentleman because she knew him, 79 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: and she knew he carried large amounts of cash and 80 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: didn't believe that he would resist during a robbery. So 81 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 2: the three hatched a plan, and that would have Tate 82 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 2: the young girl go to dinner with him in Watertown, uh, 83 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: and then they would drive to Fannel Street and and 84 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: Tate would let the two males know when they were 85 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 2: on their way and they would be waiting for him. 86 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: So she gets out of the car and immediately Yasbeck 87 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: is confronted and she basically walks away, So we're being robbed. 88 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: She walks away, They take him inside the house and 89 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: within five minutes he's dead. So I won't go into 90 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 2: this the whole deal here, but it's. 91 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 3: So cut and dried. 92 00:06:54,560 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 2: At the parole hearing, the perp tense Areas apologized to 93 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: the family and this murderer who committed the crime at 94 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: the age of nineteen because of the madness decision, you know, 95 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 2: just a stupid decision by the State Supreme Court, a 96 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 2: four to three decision, by the way, which is now 97 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: going to result in dozens of first degree lifers because 98 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: they were convicted between the ages of eighteen, nineteen and 99 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: twenty when they were emerging results, emerging adults. I think 100 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: most of you know the story in this case. So 101 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: Yasbek comes here from Lebanon and is actually contributing to society, 102 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: which is what we want in people coming here. He's 103 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: in this hallway, yeah, uh, and of course Tenzarious Uh 104 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: later Uh told Tate that the men had instructed him 105 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 2: to keep his hands up and not to look behind him. 106 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: According to the Herald article, However, Asbec continued to move 107 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: his hands and reached for the doorknob. Y Asbek told 108 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: the reporters he was a good person. He did not 109 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: want any trouble and he knew people in the area. 110 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: He's begging for his life. Tazarius, this is serious. Uh 111 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: said that he thought y Aspec said police police, despite 112 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: Asbek denying he was a police officer. Tensarius panicked and 113 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 2: shot him. 114 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 3: Uh. 115 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: He it just is when I when I read the 116 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: decision today, shot him once under the right eye. It's 117 00:08:54,920 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: probably dead, virtually, instant instantaneously, they ran out of the house. 118 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: They tried to cover up but that they could convicted. 119 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: And then the husband of Fernandez Anderson, his lawyers used 120 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: every appeal in the book as defense lawyers, and it 121 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: was turned down in every way and he was sentenced 122 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 2: to life in prison, and of course in prison got 123 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: himself away. He did several programs, violence reduction, restorative justice, 124 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 2: knowledge and recovery, occupational skills development, and education. He engaged 125 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: in higher education, earning credits towards an associate degree, and 126 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: the board the Parole Board noted he had only won 127 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: guilty disciplinary report in twenty five years, so at the 128 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: age of nineteen, he kills a thirty five year old. 129 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 2: The thirty five year old never lived beyond thirty five 130 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: now twenty six year years later, and you do the 131 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: math and tens Arius now is what forty seven if 132 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken. So he's twelve years older than the 133 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 2: guy he killed. But because he was only nineteen at 134 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: the time, the maddest decision from twenty twenty four opens the. 135 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: Cell block door. So he has now. 136 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 2: Appeared before the pro board last summer. The board has 137 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: now okayed his parole to an approved home plan, despite 138 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: opposition from the Suffolk DA's office and the victim's family. 139 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: The brother of Imam Yasbeck is on the record of 140 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: saying about his brother, he wasn't thirteen or fourteen years 141 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 2: old at the time, but he killed my brother and 142 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: he knew what he did. I was told after the conviction, 143 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: the brother says he will never come out of prison. 144 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: He had everything, but he chose to be evil and 145 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: he killed my beloved brother for forty dollars. He wasn't 146 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: happy that it was only forty dollars and that was 147 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 2: enough for him to take my brother's life. He ruined 148 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: my life, my family's life. I have no forgiveness for 149 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 2: him unquote so now Tenzarius, who is now married to 150 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: Tanya Fernandez Anderson, a convicted former Boston City councilor who 151 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: pleaded guilty convicted on two charges wire fraud and theft 152 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,599 Speaker 2: concerning a federal program. According to the Herald article, the 153 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 2: charges tied to a kickback scheme that federal authority said 154 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 2: Fernandez Anderson carried out a city call. She pled guilty. 155 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 2: The ex ex counselor admitted to giving one of her 156 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: staff members, a relative but not an immediate family member, 157 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: a relative but not an immediate family member, a thirteen 158 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 2: thousand dollars bonus on the condition that seven thousand dollars 159 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: be kicked back to her. Handoff was coordinated by text, 160 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: took place in a city hall bathroom. In June of 161 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. US Attorney Leo Foley's office sought to 162 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: lock Fernandez up for a year and a day, but 163 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: a federal judge sentenced her to one month in jail. 164 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,719 Speaker 2: Served out her time at a Federal Correction Institution Danbury, 165 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 2: low security co ed prison that includes an adjacent minimum 166 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: security satellite camp. She also was ordered to pay thirteen 167 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: thousand dollars in restitution. So that's how the justice system 168 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 2: works in Massachusetts. They can keep innocent people in prison 169 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 2: like Joe Solvadi and Peter Lamoni for decades. But now 170 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: because of the appointments to the State Supreme Court and 171 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 2: the four judges who authored the decision, estimates. 172 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: Are that we're going to see about one hundred. 173 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: And fifty lifers, including including this guy, this guy walking 174 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: the streets of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts ten Cesirius Anderson 175 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: married to his convict former Boston City Councilor what's the 176 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: moral of the moral of this story? Well, I think 177 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: the morale of this the moral of this story is 178 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: that when you have a one party state like Massachusetts, ah, 179 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: funny things can happen. And I wonder, I wonder if 180 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: the State Supreme Court realized what they were doing. They 181 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 2: probably had a case in front of them that they 182 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: thought deserves some empathy. And now the empathy has spread 183 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 2: and we now in Massachusetts will be looking at about one 184 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty murder one convicted murderers, murder one who 185 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: had been sentenced to life in prison without parole because 186 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: they committed their crimes when they were eighteen, nineteen and twenty, 187 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 2: they were emerging adults, and so some come up with 188 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: the phrase of merging adults and these people will now 189 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: be living with us. If you're as outraged as I 190 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: am about this specific case and about all of these cases, 191 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: these were not kids who were sixteen years old, tried 192 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: as juveniles and released at twenty one. These are young 193 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: men eighteen nineteen twenty could be in the military, but 194 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: they chose to basically wage war on the streets of Massachusetts. 195 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: What a disaster for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and to 196 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: the state Supreme Court. Thank you very much. Six one, seven, two, five, 197 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. 198 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: I'd like to hear. 199 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: Some some of your comments. 200 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: If you think I'm. 201 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: Too harsh, love to hear from you on this one. 202 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: If you think I'm on the money, I love your support. 203 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: Coming back on night Side. 204 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 205 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 3: Again. 206 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 2: I just think that we in Massachusetts have totally lost 207 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 2: our way. You know, someone comes here to this country, 208 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: decides to start a business, he's murdered in cold blood, 209 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: and twenty six years later, we forget about him, We 210 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: forget about the family let me go to and by 211 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 2: the way, you know, if you folks want to talk 212 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: about this, I'd love to. If you're not interested in, 213 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: we'll talk about something else. But I think this is 214 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: an important story, particularly when this guy is now married 215 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: to the former Boston City councilor, who herself is a 216 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: convicted felon. 217 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 3: I mean John and Stoneham. Hey, John, thank you for 218 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: calling in. What's your thought on this? John? 219 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 2: Dan? 220 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 4: This is disgusting. It's just disgusting. Is there any legal 221 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 4: recourse that could be done to change with law and 222 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 4: to prevent Nope, you got a Supreme. 223 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: Youve got a state Supreme Court decision, the Madness decision 224 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: from twenty twenty four, which essentially concluded that anybody who 225 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: commits a crime, and of course, the only crime in 226 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: Massachusetts that's going to get your life in prison without 227 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: parole is murder one. And this guy was convicted of 228 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: murder one. I think it was in two thousand and three. 229 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: He had fine criminal defense attorneys who attempted to do 230 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: everything to prevent him from being convicted, goes to jail, 231 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you get a couple of 232 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: psychologists to say, well, these people when they're nineteen or twenty, 233 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: they're not quite adults yet, so we'll call them emerging adults, 234 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: like are you kidding me? And four of the seven 235 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: State Supreme Court justices it's a very subjective decision, Okay, 236 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: very subjective decision. But from a practical level, how would 237 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 2: you like to be a member of this family and 238 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 2: realize that your brother or your son was slaughtered for nothing. 239 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 2: This is not a guy who made a mistake and 240 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: got into a street fight or was dealing drugs. This 241 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: was a guy who was just a small businessman in Brighton, 242 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: and he was targeted because he happened to carry some 243 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: cash and all. 244 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 3: We're so concerned in Massachusetts. 245 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: About people coming here and making them comfortable, whether they're 246 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: legal or illegal. 247 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 3: This guy does the right thing. I have no. 248 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: Idea where whether tim Zarius Anderson grew up here, grew 249 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: up somewhere else, either in the States or elsewhere. I 250 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: know that he's married to the city councilor who came here. 251 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 2: I believe she came from a different country. I think 252 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: it's a brute, but I can double check that. 253 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 4: Well, Hey, and I have something to say. I happen 254 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 4: to know the gentleman's brother who was murdered. And he 255 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 4: is the nicest, most kind, loving person in the world, 256 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 4: and he is devastated of the loss of his brother. 257 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 4: And this this is really a terrible situation that he 258 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 4: has to relive all this stuff. It's just totally wrong. 259 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, every. 260 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: Year, these guys, even before the Madness decision, these many 261 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: of them. 262 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: Cold blooded murderers. 263 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 2: And still, by the way, if they were more than 264 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: twenty one years of age, even though they're sentenced to 265 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 2: life in prison without parole, they still have hearing opportunities 266 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: and try to tie you know, and can't. A lot 267 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: of these cases. You know what happened. Everybody knows what happened. 268 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 4: Good Is there any way? Is there any way to 269 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 4: send this to the United States Supreme Court? Is there 270 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 4: any anything that people can do to change this ruling 271 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 4: at all? 272 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 3: No, No, there really isn't. 273 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 2: Because it's a ruling by the state Supreme Court in Massachusetts. 274 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 2: I don't see any recourse that they have. And at 275 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: this point, by the way, I think the numbers are 276 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: of the first there's two hundred young men and maybe 277 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: there's I think there's three females in this category who 278 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 2: were convicted of murdering the first degree under the age 279 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 2: of twenty one, and they. 280 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 4: Had the day in court and they were found guilty. Yes, yes, 281 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 4: and it shouldn't be overturned because they were not they 282 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 4: were emerging. 283 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 3: I agree with that totally. 284 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 4: But here's where they adult court. They had their day 285 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 4: in court, they were found guilty. They should be spending 286 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 4: the rest of lives in jail. 287 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 3: And I could agree with you more. By the way, 288 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 3: I just need to add this U. 289 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: I think it's a selling in fact, and that is 290 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: that there's about two hundred I think it's about two 291 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 2: hundred and three people who are going to go through 292 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: the parole process, all of whom are murdered one convicts 293 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 2: the fact that they're under the age of twenty one, 294 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 2: they're in this category. And in the first fifty two 295 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: cases that the parole Board heard in the last year 296 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: or so, they have granted parole to thirty nine almost 297 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 2: I think it was like seventy five percent. So if 298 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 2: you project that of what happened to the first fifty 299 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 2: two cases, and you're projected at two hundred cases, we're 300 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: going to get somewhere around one hundred and fifty or 301 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty murderers in the first degree walking 302 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 2: the streets of the common Wealth of Massachusetts, and we 303 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: wonder why people are leaving the common Wealth of Massachusetts. 304 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 4: It's insane. 305 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 5: It's insane. 306 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 4: God blessed the victims, and God bless the victims families. 307 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 4: That's all I have to say. 308 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 2: No, I totally agree you, and I hope you you 309 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 2: are someone who who knows the family. 310 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 3: I would hope that some. 311 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: Of my callers would have the courage to even though 312 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: there's nothing we can do, we have to somehow turn 313 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: this around. And we have to to basically be outraged 314 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 2: at this because it's it's the same story. 315 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 3: Until it happens to us, or until it happens to 316 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: our family member, we kind of move on. And that's the. 317 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 2: Problem that that everybody should be standing up and saying 318 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 2: this is and and voting out of office. I mean, 319 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 2: we gotta we gotta clean house at the state House, 320 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: a house in Congress. We got a clean house and 321 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: make this state have some balance. In my opinion, this 322 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: is what happens one party state. Simple as that we 323 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: see the every person on Beacon Hill at this point 324 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: who has an ounce of courage in my opinion. 325 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 3: Uh is the state auditor dying into. 326 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 4: Zagwieol, you know, and so she's throwing her job. 327 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 3: Yep, she is. 328 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 2: But everybody, so many people in this in this state, 329 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 2: this is our state. This is a state we were 330 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 2: born to. Well, this is a state we chose to 331 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: come to. We have to protect the state. If the politicians, 332 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: the gutlass politicians don't want to, we have to get 333 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 2: rid of them, simple as that. Thank you, sir, I 334 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 2: appreciate you, okay. 335 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 4: And thank you, and you keep doing what you're doing. 336 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 4: This is an important, important topic. And please don't let 337 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 4: this rest because this is kind of snowball. And I 338 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 4: hope none of these people to get released can in 339 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 4: another crime. 340 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 3: Well, you know, verybody, that's going to happen. 341 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 2: You do know that that will happen, because when you 342 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 2: take one hundred and fifty murderers in the first degree, 343 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 2: there will be some They're not all going to be angels, okay, 344 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: and the pro board will make mistakes. And when someone 345 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 2: does this and someone else is murdered, then the probo 346 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: will say, well we try and add best to make 347 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: sure that these people wouldn't be recidivist. And there's only 348 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: been one two of incidents which. 349 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 3: Have cost other people's lives. 350 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: But again, if the public doesn't care, if everybody sits 351 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 2: in their hands and says, well, it's not my family, 352 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: it's not someone I know, what difference does it make. 353 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 2: But did the Patriots make the super Bowl? That's what's 354 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 2: most important to most people. Did the Patriots make the 355 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: super Bowl? Which is important, But you can't allow that 356 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 2: to prevent you from thinking about things that. 357 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: Are really important. That's all right, all right, thanks John. 358 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 3: I appreciate your call so much. I promise I will. 359 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: Six one, seven and two five four ten thirty. Uh 360 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 2: that those lines are fault, which is good. But I 361 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,120 Speaker 2: got two open lines at six one seven, nine three 362 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: one ten thirty. I talk about these issues, and I 363 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: know you're out there listening, and I don't know how else. 364 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 2: It's like I feel like sometimes Paul Revere. You know, 365 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: if if when he ruled that night and said the 366 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: British are coming, everybody said, oh the bridget okay, I'm 367 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 2: going back to sleep, would still be would still be 368 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 2: it would be subject of King Charles. I'm not asking 369 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: to get out and pick up muskets and go fight anybody. 370 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 2: What I'm asking you to do is think about who 371 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: you elected as politicians and is it time to change things? 372 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 3: We're going in a wrong direction. Sixe late for the news. 373 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: I apologize, appreciate John at least had the guts to 374 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 2: call coming back on Nightside. 375 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's 376 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: news radio. 377 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: All right, let's keep going here. I got Kevin and Cambridge. Kevin, 378 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 2: welcome to Nightside. You're next on the program. 379 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: How are you, sir? Thank you? Dan? 380 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 6: Hey, I'm I have a comment and a question. My 381 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 6: first comment is you're you're talking about how you think 382 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 6: that this damages families and the general populace of Massachusetts. 383 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,719 Speaker 6: But I'd like to point out a specific group that 384 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 6: the court basically gave the finger to, and that was 385 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 6: jury's because every one of these juries had had the 386 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 6: opportunity to give a lesser sentence, right, they could have 387 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 6: just said secondary murder, really good. And the judges are 388 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 6: basically saying we don't trust juries. 389 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: Well, what they yeah, what they're saying is we got 390 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: a bunch of psychologists, psychiatrists who have come up with 391 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 2: this novel idea, uh, and we're going to buy into it. 392 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 2: We're going to call these people emerging adults. Now you 393 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: can you can join the military at eighteen, You can 394 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 2: do a lot of things at eighteen. You can drive 395 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 2: a car at sixteen. I mean, should we have emergency 396 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: emerging adults driving automobiles anymore? 397 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 3: I mean, think about it, you know. 398 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: I mean, what they're saying is that these people who 399 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 2: were eighteen, nineteen, and twenty and killed someone and we're 400 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: convicted of murder in the first degree. We're not talking 401 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: about somebody who in a moment of passion did something 402 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: really stupid. This was a cold blooded robbery. Killed the guy, 403 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: killed the guy for forty bucks, who's thirty five years old, 404 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 2: his whole life in front of him. 405 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 7: But when you make a when you rule, when you 406 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 7: make a broad brush ruling like this, you know then 407 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 7: maybe there was an eighteen year old or a nineteen 408 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 7: year old, and maybe there was some person who who's 409 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 7: the next thing's going to be. They're going to say, well, 410 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 7: what was his IQ? And if his IQ was under 411 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 7: one hundred. I can come up with a. 412 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 2: Million reasons why people shouldn't serve life in prison. 413 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 6: It is something that you know, through the legal history 414 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 6: of this country. Juries have lost a lot of their 415 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 6: power to judges. I mean a lot of the decisions 416 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 6: that judges make now were originally made by the juries. Sure, 417 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 6: and no one has basically authorized that transfer of power. 418 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 6: The judges just did it. 419 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 2: Well, you have individual federal judges who are joining the 420 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 2: President of the United States on issues that an individual 421 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 2: federal judge should shouldn't be involved in that, as far 422 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: as I'm concerned, that is a judge you want to 423 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: have the US Supreme Court or one of the circuit 424 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 2: courts of appeal issue of ruling the US Supreme Court 425 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: would look a fine, but to have one. 426 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 3: I think the. 427 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: Number is somewhere around six hundred and eighty federal judges 428 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 2: across the country. I mean, there were more than twelve 429 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 2: times the number of federal judges as US senators, and 430 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 2: none of them are elected. And we hear about all 431 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 2: of this, and it's out of control. It's I could 432 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: find a federal judge if I if I forum shop, 433 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 2: they will do anything. 434 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, well, I mean the judges. The part 435 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 6: of having more judges was actually the Supreme Court said 436 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 6: we can't take every decision. We need lower courts to 437 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 6: I guess start process right. 438 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 3: But important decisions is. 439 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 6: That you know, both Jefferson and Lincoln thought that Marbury 440 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 6: versus Madison was the decision that would originally kill this 441 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 6: country because well, well that that they could take one 442 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 6: one case and make it universal and application. 443 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was. It was. 444 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: It was a very contrived ruling. I'm familiar with the decision, 445 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 2: but it opened Pandora's box to the authority of judges 446 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 2: and I and I think that, look, there are individual 447 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 2: judges who rule on you know, things like school desegregation, 448 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 2: which is important, but but you should be able to 449 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 2: fast track even important decisions up the chain so that 450 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 2: so so that the the efforts of either Congress. I mean, 451 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 2: we're supposed to have three branches of government that are 452 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: equal checks and balances, but I don't think frequel at 453 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: this point. There was a period of time when Roosevelt 454 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: wanted to pack the Supreme Court because he wanted more 455 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: power in the presidency, and the only way to guarantee 456 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 2: power in the presidency was to have fifteen members of 457 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 2: the US Supreme Court, seven or eight of whom were. 458 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 3: Chosen. 459 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 6: My head, Well, I actually think that that that the 460 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 6: founders intended the legislative branch to be the most powerful 461 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 6: by the powers that they gave it, but has ceded 462 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 6: a lot of that to the executive branch. Yes, and 463 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 6: then the judicial branch has has taken others, so the 464 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 6: legislature branch seems like the least powerful. 465 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 3: Now, you're a smart guy. Do you teach in law school? 466 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 5: I do not. 467 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 6: I actually I am actually not a fan of the 468 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 6: adversary system. I feel like, you know, we used to 469 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 6: say that the adversary system was the one way to 470 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 6: guarantee innocent people would be you. 471 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 5: Know, let off. 472 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 6: But things like DNA evidence and stuff has shown us 473 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,719 Speaker 6: that we've convicted lots of Oh. 474 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And if you know, around. 475 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 6: This mood a truth based system where you know it 476 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 6: is the main responsibility of the attorneys for each side 477 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 6: is to bring out the truth and assume that that 478 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 6: protects the innocence. 479 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: Well, it's more of a well, look, yeah, I'll disagree 480 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: with you on that, because I do think that it's 481 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: that it's important to make sure that the prosecution proves 482 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 2: all the elements of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt, 483 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 2: and it's the attorneys, the defense attorney's obligation to defend 484 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 2: the individual and preserve whatever rights that individual has and 485 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: make sure that the prosecutors meet all of their requirements. 486 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 6: I'm assuming that you do not require an adversary system. 487 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 6: I mean, I cannot they do that. In other words, 488 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 6: if you are bringing out the truth of a matter, 489 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 6: it includes the truth of what the rights are and 490 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 6: whether they've been violated. And uh, and that would be 491 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 6: both sides having to do that. 492 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 5: Right. 493 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: But if look, look if they go in on a 494 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 2: on a search without a warrant and they they grab 495 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: evidence which which is inculpatory. H and and the defense 496 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 2: lawyer says, well, you really had the drugs in the car, right, pal? 497 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 3: You know they did what they had to do. 498 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: No, you know you got to say no, you know 499 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 2: he had the drugs in the car, but the search 500 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: was illegal. Therefore the drugs don't come into into into evidence. 501 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: And without that evidence, he's not convicted. 502 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, so there's this process. 503 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: And anyway, Kevin, I got I got to run here 504 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: there you have You've never called this show before because 505 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 2: I've never talked to someone who is as perceptive as 506 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 2: you are. 507 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 6: We have we have talked. 508 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 3: Well, you've done a very good job tonight, have I. 509 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 6: Have I have. I have a question before I. 510 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 3: Go, got to go quickly, though, go ahead. 511 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 6: Can this be changed constitutionally? 512 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 3: No, not in my opinion, Not in my opinion. I 513 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 3: guess you. 514 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 2: I guess you could always hope to have a constitutional 515 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 2: amendment in Massachusetts. But the way we are structured right 516 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 2: now politically, I think it. It may be a theoretical possibility, 517 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 2: but I don't think it is in any way, shape 518 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 2: or form within the realm of political possibility. 519 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm sorry to hear that. 520 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: I think I'm telling you what I think I'm telling you. 521 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 2: I think I'm telling you the truth. 522 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 3: Kevin. 523 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 2: I thank you so much. Great call, really great call. 524 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Call more often? 525 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 3: Will you? Thank you? 526 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 6: Thank you. 527 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 3: Have a great night. Coming right back on night Side. 528 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio. 529 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 3: Back to the calls. We go, Gail and situate jail, 530 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 3: welcome back, How are you good? 531 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 8: Keep him in jail, Dan, keep him in jail. 532 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,719 Speaker 3: But it's too late, it's too late. They're all going 533 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 3: to get out. I'm telling you. 534 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 8: So none of them are on the death row. 535 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 2: Death penalty was eliminated. Remember in this state, we remember 536 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: there was a state representative. He was a hero because 537 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: he voted against the death penalty. 538 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 3: And they said, oh. 539 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: No, what these people really fear is they fear life 540 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: in prison. You know, the death penalty is too easy. 541 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 2: We can't give them the death penalty. Let's get rid 542 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 2: of the death penalty and make them stay in prison forever. 543 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 8: But I thought, I thought, Je Garzer and have was 544 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 8: on a death penalty. 545 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: Right, federal case. These are statecases. Federal case. 546 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm going to. 547 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 8: Say, keep him in jail. And if you listen, if 548 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 8: you're eighteen years old, you are an adult. No if answer, 549 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 8: buts about it. 550 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 3: I'm with you on that. 551 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 2: But four of our seven Supreme Court justices they should 552 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 2: never have had a decision four to three on a 553 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: case of such magnitude. 554 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 3: We're going to have one hundred and fifty, approximately one 555 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty hundred and sixty murderers in the first 556 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 3: degree walking the streets of Massachusetts within the next two 557 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 3: or three years. 558 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 8: Will they be on any kind of registry. 559 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 3: No. 560 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 2: No, they've been paroled. They have been given the opportunity 561 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 2: to go to the pro board, and the parole board said, 562 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 2: these guys are great. They all found Jesus in jail. 563 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 3: Every one of. 564 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 2: Them found Jesus, and they took a couple of associate degrees. 565 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 2: And what the fact that they blew this guy's head 566 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,959 Speaker 2: off when they were nineteen twenty years old. 567 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: You know, it was just a bad night, that's all. 568 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 8: You know what you know, all the time they all 569 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 8: the time, our tax dollars pay for the three hot 570 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 8: meals and a cat to sleep on. 571 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 2: You bet you and I'd be willing to pay. That 572 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 2: would be the best use of my tax money to 573 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 2: keep them in jail. But you know what, again, you'll 574 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 2: have some you'll have some quack psychologists, a psychiatrists come 575 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,760 Speaker 2: up with, Wow, you don't one. They really don't fully emerge. 576 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 2: They're not fully emerging adults until they're thirty. And let's 577 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 2: let them all out up until thirty, and there'll be 578 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 2: some goofy Supreme. 579 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 3: That's not bad. Let's let's let's let's we now have 580 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 3: to have fully emerging adults. I mean, it's nuts, it's. 581 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 8: Nuts, it's it's it's really terrible, it's truly terrible. 582 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 6: It's a sham. 583 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 8: They should have stayed in jail. 584 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 3: Welcome to Massachusetts. 585 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, hey, look at the man. I know this is 586 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 8: a different state, but look at the people, the Manson crew. 587 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 8: They stayed in jail all their lives until they some 588 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 8: of them died. 589 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's nothing wrong again. They sold us. Remember Susan. 590 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 2: They said, we're gonna get root of the death penalty 591 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 2: because we want to be tough on crime and have life. 592 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 3: And all it was was a scam. We get rid 593 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 3: of the death penalty. Now you get rid of the 594 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 3: life in prison without parole. 595 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 2: So you know first, now it's up to people twenty one, 596 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 2: there'll be another case. They'll say, they'll sum up. They'll say, well, 597 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 2: they're not fully emerging until they're twenty five. I guarantee 598 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 2: it might not be working in radio then. But you'll 599 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 2: be hearing about that case too, because that's what what 600 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court justice is. WHOA, that's a very interesting argument. 601 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,959 Speaker 3: Don't you agree with that, Charles? Yes, I do, Marvin, that's. 602 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 2: What let's that's what's going on. We live in a 603 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 2: one party state. We live in a one party state. 604 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,720 Speaker 2: Get used to it. 605 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 8: What I like to know is what there what is 606 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 8: the definition of fully emerging? I mean, you're you're you're 607 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 8: either an adult or you're not when you turn eighteen. 608 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 5: That's it. 609 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 6: You're an adult. 610 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that. 611 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,760 Speaker 2: I mean again, it just comes down to what what 612 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 2: what they what they want and. 613 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 3: They they they change and they they they mold. Uh 614 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 3: that's what. That's what judges do. 615 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: I just have lost faith in the State Supreme Court 616 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts. 617 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 3: Gail. 618 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 4: I love you. 619 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 2: I hate to be to be rough on you, but 620 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 2: you You're one of my best calls. 621 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 3: Please keep calling the show. 622 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, Dan, talk to you soon. 623 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 2: Thanks, Suzanne, and Newton's going to get you one you 624 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,879 Speaker 2: and one more in please go right. 625 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 5: Ahead, Suitsan, Thanks for taking by call. Dad. I was 626 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 5: outraged as you are. I didn't grow up as Massachusetts, 627 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 5: but as I'm eighty seven. But the death tattle g 628 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 5: and they used to be in the electric chair of 629 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 5: the injections settled in jail. 630 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 2: Well again, the the infinite wisdom of the State Supreme Court, 631 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 2: by a margin of four to three, bought this Kakamamy idea. 632 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 2: And we're going to have one hundred and fifty murder 633 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 2: one criminals, convicted criminals walking the streets of Massachusetts because 634 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 2: of the Madness decision. Welcome to Massachusetts. Thanks thanks to writers. Okay, 635 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:51,240 Speaker 2: you're welcome. 636 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 3: Let me go to Tim and Wilburn. Tim gonna wrap 637 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 3: it for us. 638 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 5: Go right ahead, Tim, it's outrageous. You're right on the money. 639 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,880 Speaker 5: Keep talking about this. I comp the truth won't change. 640 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,919 Speaker 5: This is gonna stay like this forever. Emerging adults, Oh absolutely, 641 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 5: this will never be These these guys are These guys 642 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 5: are getting out. 643 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 3: They're gonna be living in the community near you and me. 644 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 5: Now, when I used to work, the guy who taught 645 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 5: me the trade always say keep double checking your work. 646 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 5: When I walk downtown and get a coffee, someone's walking 647 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 5: behind me, I double check. 648 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,239 Speaker 3: You probably got a triple check once. Once they're all out. 649 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 5: It's not paranoia, just the way it is. Are you 650 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,120 Speaker 5: ever going to have another day at Renoli or dan 651 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 5: Ray Day? 652 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 3: We'll keep you post that, I promise. Thanks Tim got 653 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 3: to run. 654 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 2: I got the ten o'clock news coming at the train's 655 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 2: coming down the track thanks to him. 656 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 3: Talk to you soon. 657 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 2: Here comes to ten. We'll be back right after the 658 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 2: ten o'clock news. Here on night side