Speaker 1: Doant to be an American's plony here on seven hundred
Speaker 1: ww absolutely incredible weekend here in the city, and it
Speaker 1: ain't good. We've got the huge Bengals loss to chop
Speaker 1: up James Rapine in about a half hour. Normally he's
Speaker 1: on like eleven thirty five. He's going to be on
Speaker 1: earlier this morning, because you know, you'd anticipate with the loss,
Speaker 1: this historic, this bad and back to back weeks, heads
Speaker 1: would roll. Of course, this is Cincinnati. You could be really,
Speaker 1: really bad and still have years and years or years
Speaker 1: of grace. That's how we do things. But we also
Speaker 1: have more troubling news than that, because it's literally life
Speaker 1: and death and another bad and bloody weekend in the city.
Speaker 1: On Friday, video of the July brawl leaked out, confirming
Speaker 1: what Kip guynan assistant prosecutor, said in quarter a while
Speaker 1: back when arraignments were being made that the victim of
Speaker 1: this case, el Chinowski, he was attacked. He was the victim,
Speaker 1: showed him attack from behind, and the one man arrested
Speaker 1: prior to him slapping someone. So we now have the
Speaker 1: evidence leaking out days before the election, and tomorrow being
Speaker 1: election day, Saturday, four people shout outs the night club
Speaker 1: and OTR are at one o'clock in the morning, and then
Speaker 1: about a half hour later, multiple people shot at Carthage
Speaker 1: and Carthage at sixty ninth and Vine. I believe three
Speaker 1: shot and another killed. Seven people shot, one dead this
Speaker 1: weekend at Cincinnati, and voters will head to the polls
Speaker 1: tomorrow to decide what kind of leadership, if any, they want.
Speaker 1: One of the people seeking your voters council member, hopefully
Speaker 1: elect Chris Smithman of the show on seven hundred WW
Speaker 1: has been very vocal about this, and Chris, this has
Speaker 1: been a horrible weekend in what feels like a steady,
Speaker 1: ongoing drumbeat of horrible news in our town here in Cincinnati. Welcome, Hey,
Speaker 1: Thanks Sloanly.
Speaker 2: It was a tough weekend, and I think you're right.
Speaker 2: We've had a lot of tough weekends. And the problem
Speaker 2: has been from my perspective, is that this council collectively
Speaker 2: and the mayor and the administration have just taken their
Speaker 2: eye off the ball. And this is what happens when
Speaker 2: you say you want to defund the police or you
Speaker 2: want to reimagine them, and when you allow attrition to
Speaker 2: have us two hundred officers down and expect our cops
Speaker 2: to do their job when you're telling them, don't do
Speaker 2: proactive policing. And it's not like Sloan, you and I
Speaker 2: don't agree with community based policing. I mean it all
Speaker 2: comes back to training, training, training. We have the best
Speaker 2: training in the state of Ohio. I mean, Columbus will
Speaker 2: say they have a great training. We have a great
Speaker 2: training here for our cops. But we got to let
Speaker 2: our cops do their job and we've got to back
Speaker 2: them up Sloan when they do it. And we know
Speaker 2: that there's a racial undertone to this conversation that we've
Speaker 2: got to be willing to have. And so we know
Speaker 2: that when our white young officers approach a young African
Speaker 2: American male in the Dora or on the banks, and
Speaker 2: they're thirteen or fifteen years old, it's two o'clock in
Speaker 2: the morning, why aren't our officers given the power to
Speaker 2: ask that young person, why are you breaking curfew? And
Speaker 2: what are you doing? And we know that if they
Speaker 2: have a firearm, that it's like oil and water. Now
Speaker 2: you've got a cop in a situation with a young
Speaker 2: African American with a gun that might end up in
Speaker 2: a tragic situation. Whether we have the elected to turn
Speaker 2: their back on that cop that then scares all police
Speaker 2: officers to go, wow, I don't want my life destroyed.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to end by saying, on this little
Speaker 2: piece with you, Sloan, we saw it happen. We had
Speaker 2: a young African American male in a stolen car running
Speaker 2: with a firearm that tragically right, My condolences to the family,
Speaker 2: but the but the officer made the right decision, and
Speaker 2: we have a young person who lost his lost his life.
Speaker 2: The next day, the father takes his car and kills
Speaker 2: the sheriff who's there, you know, doing traffic, who's retired,
Speaker 2: has has children that he's adopting. Right during the UC graduation,
Speaker 2: what happened slowly, You heard nothing from the nine members
Speaker 2: of council. You heard no denouncement of it. You didn't
Speaker 2: hear anything from the mayor, no denouncemit of it. And
Speaker 2: then we got to go fund me account for the killer,
Speaker 2: saying let's give him money, and then people saying I
Speaker 2: for an eye and tooth for tooth, with no no
Speaker 2: response from the.
Speaker 1: Nothing, no one talking about that. And on Friday, Chris
Speaker 1: Chris Smithman, the footage leaked out. Finally, it's been three
Speaker 1: months since the July brawl. Uh, the surveillance would have
Speaker 1: comes out at basketball kick geyin and said, you clearly
Speaker 1: see there's a blackmail striking the white guy in the
Speaker 1: back of the head. And of course the viral moment
Speaker 1: was picked up when he turned and started slapping someone
Speaker 1: four or ten retaliation. We heard that they were harassed.
Speaker 1: Racial epitats were thrown at them. It was intolerable, the racism.
Speaker 1: But it only goes one way in Cincinnati, and that
Speaker 1: can only be that blacks are the victim of racism.
Speaker 1: There's no comments whatsoever. They sat on this thing. Finally
Speaker 1: it leaks out a couple of days before the election,
Speaker 1: and that's politics, I suppose, But the fact of the matter,
Speaker 1: it wasn't released through the proper public records requests, and
Speaker 1: when you have something like this, it's going to leak out.
Speaker 1: The days of sitting on something are gone. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: it's taken this long. The issue here, though, is what
Speaker 1: is the city's policy regarding public safety, the footage and
Speaker 1: transparency with taxpayers, because you feel there is none unless
Speaker 1: it fits a particular preconceived narrative.
Speaker 2: You and I know that if the roles were reversed
Speaker 2: and there were five African Americans being beat in the
Speaker 2: middle of our downtown, there would have been a different
Speaker 2: response naturally based on what happened, and people wouldn't be
Speaker 2: sitting around in this council and this mayor would have
Speaker 2: had a completely different response. That's number one. Number two,
Speaker 2: we also know that the mayor and the members of
Speaker 2: council should have requested to take If I was the
Speaker 2: vice mayor, I served, I was chair of law in
Speaker 2: public safety, all you have to do is go to
Speaker 2: that investigator, and the investigators were signaling, listen, we shouldn't
Speaker 2: press charges, which is a part of this conversation because
Speaker 2: you have members of council hold press conferences and say what,
Speaker 2: I got one in the chamber. You got forty eight
Speaker 2: hours to respond, and you better arrest somebody white. Well,
Speaker 2: guess what, there's a captain out there who signed off
Speaker 2: on something. They arrested somebody white. That person now has
Speaker 2: a lawyer. You know that the charges are going to
Speaker 2: be dropped in December after the election, and you know
Speaker 2: that that person's gonna sue because you called him a
Speaker 2: racist and you've tried to destroy his life. But guess
Speaker 2: what you got, Council Member Parks, you said they deserve
Speaker 2: to get the men she saw on council and Holly
Speaker 2: who somebody. You know, when I saw the video Slown,
Speaker 2: I thought she was dead. That's there's no question, the
Speaker 2: way she was punched so violently. My point to you
Speaker 2: and everybody listening, Look, this shows you that we could
Speaker 2: have had some type of racial explosion in our downtown
Speaker 2: Bay from the conduct of the nine members of council
Speaker 2: and the mayor. Here's what I think happened. I think
Speaker 2: that they saw the video, they knew what was happening,
Speaker 2: and they were pushing to the speculation they're pushing the election,
Speaker 2: trying to divide us racially, so they wanted the energy
Speaker 2: in the African American community, the Democrats to go take
Speaker 2: sample ballots, believing that they were harmed, that they were
Speaker 2: victims in some kind of way, and the reality was
Speaker 2: that the people who are the real victims are the
Speaker 2: white citizens who were down there who got the hell
Speaker 2: beat out of them for nothing.
Speaker 1: Christopher Schmitherman, who's running we'll find out tomorrow or tomorrow
Speaker 1: night if indid he winds up getting a council seat.
Speaker 1: We were all outrage at what transpired to what happened
Speaker 1: in Lincoln Heights, relative to the neo Nazis who were
Speaker 1: protesting on the overpass, how the situation was handled, how
Speaker 1: the audacity and the thoughts of the people who are
Speaker 1: doing the protesting the Nazis, we collected, we're all outraged
Speaker 1: about this, and yet we should be outrage about this
Speaker 1: to the same level, to the same degree because of
Speaker 1: what happened. Racism shouldn't be tolerated. But sadly there's an
Speaker 1: asterisk there. It feels like it's tolerated when it's a
Speaker 1: block on white but not so much when it's white
Speaker 1: on black.
Speaker 2: TONI I think we should be more outraged. I think
Speaker 2: it's worse, and I'll explain why I think it's worse.
Speaker 2: First of all, I denounced what happened in Lincoln Heights.
Speaker 2: You know, my family is from the South. My grandfathers
Speaker 2: understood the clan. They were dicticrat, they were democrat and
Speaker 2: they were down there trying to stop African Americans from
Speaker 2: voting in the South. And thank god we had the
Speaker 2: North and the South and lost hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 2: our Americans who fought in one of the bloodiest civil
Speaker 2: wars ever in our history, and that ultimately freed us
Speaker 2: through the President Lincoln and all that history. But at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, we had the mayor, we
Speaker 2: had the members of council, we had the city manager,
Speaker 2: we had the city solicitor's office, all complicit in hiding
Speaker 2: this video that came from three CDC. That's very different
Speaker 2: than the average citizen walking around who's acting like a fool,
Speaker 2: saying they're a skin head and going out and engaging
Speaker 2: in domestic terrorism. And I announced it, and I think
Speaker 2: it's horrible, but we can't look around that. We had
Speaker 2: a mayor and members of council who had to have
Speaker 2: known that the entirety of that video existed, with the
Speaker 2: cameras right there looking at it, to say, let's bring
Speaker 2: the video in and see what happened. Clearly, there was
Speaker 2: an African American man who punched that man in the
Speaker 2: back of his head. And most people, Sloany, who are
Speaker 2: listening to you and I talk right now, they haven't
Speaker 2: even seen the video because CNN and places like Fox
Speaker 2: and all those they haven't gone back and taken the
Speaker 2: video and said, whoa, let's correct the record. This is
Speaker 2: actually what happened, and that is why this young this
Speaker 2: person who was beat up, who now the city councilor
Speaker 2: and the city solicitor said hey, go and arrest him.
Speaker 2: And I actually believe this is one of the reasons
Speaker 2: that Fiji is being terminated because she wasn't playing with
Speaker 2: this manager and playing with this mayor. Remember she refused
Speaker 2: to sign off on the arrest warrant. The captain who
Speaker 2: is now the chief signed off on it. Yes, I
Speaker 2: have no idea where this is going to go, but
Speaker 2: the reality of it is something happened that should not
Speaker 2: have happened. We start playing politics with the law, and
Speaker 2: the mayor and council are absolutely complicit in this.
Speaker 1: And it goes deeper than that. This is kind of
Speaker 1: a little of a side that Kevin Farmer, this is
Speaker 1: a guy got arrested over the weekend and Rosemary Oglesby
Speaker 1: Henry is a congressional candidate both black Kevin and I
Speaker 1: don't know what their relationship was, but he was talking
Speaker 1: or going to anyway. This is a while ago. To
Speaker 1: illustrate what you're saying is and he's campaigning, he wants
Speaker 1: to run or was running anyway for the same seat
Speaker 1: that you want. Christopher Smithman, and he accused, and this
Speaker 1: is about a month ago, made no news whatsoever, accused
Speaker 1: black women of routinely making false allegations of violence against
Speaker 1: black men, saying we have to worry about white America
Speaker 1: and we have to worry about black women. I's other comment.
Speaker 1: The naac responded and defended black women. Not a word
Speaker 1: was said about the the the avert racism, the direct racism,
Speaker 1: the part of a council candidate saying we've got to
Speaker 1: worry about white people. White people are the problem, white
Speaker 1: people are the danger. No one called them out on that.
Speaker 1: The NAACP didn't, and certainly the reverence like Damon Lynch
Speaker 1: the third kind of backed up with the NAACP heads.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you can you can go after and
Speaker 1: classify white people as the enemy is evil and that's
Speaker 1: why you've got to vote for me, because we've got
Speaker 1: to destroy white America from the city of Cincinnati, and
Speaker 1: no one said anything about this, didn't even make news.
Speaker 2: Look, my father used to say to us at home,
Speaker 2: every white person isn't your enemy, and every black person
Speaker 2: is at your friend, correct, And so we're so we're
Speaker 2: sol bathing in the in this racial component in our society.
Speaker 2: And I believe that you and I and we've got
Speaker 2: to have these public conversations to show that we can
Speaker 2: have these conversations and be close friends. That's part of
Speaker 2: the problem. Number two. I send my my prayers out
Speaker 2: to Kevin Farmer and and and and his significant other
Speaker 2: or his friend, whatever's going on. I have no idea
Speaker 2: of the fact pattern there, but I send my deepens,
Speaker 2: my respect and and I hope that this whole thing
Speaker 2: is sorted out. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: this is very different. When you have a city manager
Speaker 2: who's probably making over three hundred thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 2: You've got a mayor right who clearly wants to be
Speaker 2: the governor or something else, disinterested in our city making
Speaker 2: six figures. You've got a council collectively that all of
Speaker 2: them had access to this video, all of them did,
Speaker 2: and what did they do with it? They came and
Speaker 2: held press conferences and said, hey, we're gonna do nothing.
Speaker 2: And let me also before we before I get too
Speaker 2: far away from this, I don't want to I don't
Speaker 2: want to miss that. We had Cassandra win, a mother
Speaker 2: of five in OTR who was shot in the back,
Speaker 2: and we still don't know who killed her. And so
Speaker 2: Ronda Wynn, who I have had communications with the mother,
Speaker 2: is very she's grieving because we do not have the killer.
Speaker 2: We have a picture of somebody who shot as she
Speaker 2: tells me thirty times, right where where are the African
Speaker 2: American leaders calling and working with us to find who
Speaker 2: killed Cassandra wyn We are silent on these issues. We've
Speaker 2: got to put a voice to him. And then I
Speaker 2: want to say, for Sarah Herringer and her husband Patrick,
Speaker 2: who would ever believe that we would have somebody who
Speaker 2: had some type of electronic device on their ankle who
Speaker 2: took it off. Sloane who's walking around our city. No
Speaker 2: one seems to know where the hell he is. He
Speaker 2: shows up on Sarah's front door, on Patrick's store and
Speaker 2: kills Patrick. This is a guy who did two tours.
Speaker 2: And guess what our mayor, during a debate or that
Speaker 2: press conference, was asked, how you reached out to these victims.
Speaker 2: I don't have time to do that. I don't do that.
Speaker 2: I don't reach out to the victims I'm saying to
Speaker 2: everybody listening. And I said this before. I went to
Speaker 2: the School for Creative and Performing Arts and one of
Speaker 2: the plays we did was the Wig. Let me tell
Speaker 2: you something. This guy reminds me of the Scarecrow without
Speaker 2: a brain. He reminds me of the Lion without courage.
Speaker 2: He reminds me of the ten Man without a Heart,
Speaker 2: all the trilogy all together, and he is actually the
Speaker 2: Wizard of Awe. He's out there playing like he knows
Speaker 2: what he's doing, and he doesn't. And the problem is
Speaker 2: we're dealing with people's lives slowly. This is one of
Speaker 2: the most consequential elections in my life time.
Speaker 1: I bring this all together, the thing with Farmer and this,
Speaker 1: and the fact of the matter is, just like it,
Speaker 1: racism only works one and that's not true. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's bringing the city together. I think that's it's
Speaker 1: petty and it's vindictive. It's the visive and you're not
Speaker 1: elevating people. You see it. You have your worldview, you're
Speaker 1: not changing your mind. On the other hand, we had
Speaker 1: the shooting over the weekend with seven people shot in
Speaker 1: two different shooting. Well, I guess three if you count
Speaker 1: to Carthage in two different spots, but the one and
Speaker 1: over the line in particular, it's Halloween. People are out reveling,
Speaker 1: having a good time partying, and then gunshots ring out
Speaker 1: about one o'clock in the morning. I'm told that there
Speaker 1: have been multiple calls to this bar. This particular bar
Speaker 1: has been a problem for months now, and again we're
Speaker 1: back to that issue where the governor is going to
Speaker 1: send in some help with liquor control and all that
Speaker 1: and shut out the bad actors. We talked about hookah
Speaker 1: lounges and stuff like that. We got these clubs that
Speaker 1: are open till, you know, three four o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: doing what you want to do. But the food trucks,
Speaker 1: of course, are the problem. I got to shut those
Speaker 1: down because someone getting a hot dog is the criminal,
Speaker 1: not the people are who are selling after hours. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the case with this bar
Speaker 1: and over the Rhine, but I'm told that there have
Speaker 1: been multiple service calls and multiple concerns about the people
Speaker 1: that were in and around this particular establishment. If you
Speaker 1: turn a blind eye towards that, and let's just say
Speaker 1: that the owners of this club, the privy that I
Speaker 1: understand they had a couple of armed security guards. They
Speaker 1: were wanding people when they came in, make sure they
Speaker 1: have anything on them. I don't know how much more
Speaker 1: as a business owner you can do. But what about
Speaker 1: the fact that you have multiple calls of service there
Speaker 1: and it's been a problem, and yet you could kind
Speaker 1: of see that this something like this might happen. This
Speaker 1: is preventable if the city would have been stricter and
Speaker 1: tougher enforcement and policing. Correct, that would be correct.
Speaker 2: And what I will say to you is that I
Speaker 2: don't know the fact patterns behind this particular establishment, but
Speaker 2: if elected, I certainly would find out what those fact
Speaker 2: patterns are. And the way you do this is you
Speaker 2: go through Law and public safety. We have a Chair
Speaker 2: of Law and Public Safety, which is council member Scottie Johnson,
Speaker 2: and you have a hearing where you bring the owners
Speaker 2: in of the establishment and you begin to ask them questions,
Speaker 2: and you make sure that the police department in this
Speaker 2: establishment has some type of plan in writing to deal
Speaker 2: with the issue, and if it's not dealt with, then
Speaker 2: you deal with the establishment. So I don't know why
Speaker 2: there hasn't been a public hearing about it right. For example,
Speaker 2: I don't know why there hasn't been a public hearing
Speaker 2: about the terminator the fire chief, or or public hearing
Speaker 2: about the determination of the police chief. Meaning these things
Speaker 2: are happening and you can't find a council member with
Speaker 2: a search warrant. I don't know if they come and
Speaker 2: give you interviews, but I want you to share with you.
Speaker 2: Normal protocol in these situations is for your elected officials
Speaker 2: to come on the air like this and have public conversations.
Speaker 2: That's what we do. And for whatever reason, this council
Speaker 2: is hiding behind a sample ballot. They're just wanting people
Speaker 2: to vote for them blindly vote here's the sample ballot.
Speaker 2: And if we do that tomorrow, elections have consequences. That's
Speaker 2: what we will get.
Speaker 1: The same probab. I think there's gonna be counsel people
Speaker 1: that pay the price. And again, Chris, simath them and
Speaker 1: watch your vote tomorrow, always saying a mouthful, but you
Speaker 1: know you need somebody in there, quite honestly to interpret
Speaker 1: that to enforce Yeah, you got you have no choice
Speaker 1: at this point. All the best, I gotta get going.
Speaker 1: Good luck tomorrow, Chris, All the best to you, all right,
Speaker 1: take care. Yeah, there you go, so vote your conscience.
Speaker 1: But you know, if you want more of the same,
Speaker 1: keep doing more the same. We got to get to news.
Speaker 1: We've got other bad news for you. How about the Bengals.
Speaker 1: Rappeaan is here a little bit earlier this morning to
Speaker 1: talk about the historic loss and the question who is
Speaker 1: going to have their head placed on a stick this morning?
Speaker 1: Someone has to be sacrificed on the altar of professional sports. Well,
Speaker 1: the Bengals, pull the trigger and fire someone, make someone accountable.
Speaker 1: We've talked to him next about it on the Scott's
Speaker 1: Loan Show seven hundred Wow. Dark days indeed in our city.
Speaker 1: At Scott's Sloan Show seven hundred Wow. Wish we had
Speaker 1: better news to start this gloomy time, change moneyday for you,
Speaker 1: But you know, we had seven people shot in two
Speaker 1: different occurrences yesterday, one at OTR. Lots to talk about
Speaker 1: that with Chris Smitheman and council member Seth Walsh coming
Speaker 1: up on the show this morning. Of course, the other
Speaker 1: news happening is our Cincinnati Bengals, which is a lot
Speaker 1: lighter than bloodshed, violence and murder, but still pretty bloody
Speaker 1: in a different way on the field yesterday is the
Speaker 1: Bears beat the Bengals forty seven forty two as the
Speaker 1: Bengals head the limping to the bye of three and
Speaker 1: six now and you can almost kiss those playoff chances
Speaker 1: good bye. Cincinnati's worst rank defense did it again. You
Speaker 1: didn't think they could do it back to back weeks
Speaker 1: To tell you that it's pretty damn impressive to watch
Speaker 1: them fail. They come up with new ways to fail.
Speaker 1: As you know, Cincinnati is in the cellar now and
Speaker 1: look it up and it's not good. James Rapeene here
Speaker 1: with SI Bengals Talk dot com Lockdown Bengals Podcast. James,
Speaker 1: how do you top the worst loss of the Zach
Speaker 1: Taylor era with an even more historic loss yesterday? I
Speaker 1: didn't think that was possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I h.
Speaker 4: You're right, I agree, Scott, And honestly I thought after
Speaker 4: what happened last week that when they were rallying, I
Speaker 4: literally thought, oh, well, this is the football guys paying
Speaker 4: them back, saying you know what, you guys should have
Speaker 4: won last week, you didn't, We're gonna make sure you
Speaker 4: win this week. You get an on side kick after
Speaker 4: scoring his knees down on the interception, would have put
Speaker 4: them up three scores. Like all these things happen in
Speaker 4: the final few minutes of this game. It gives the
Speaker 4: Bengals a chance.
Speaker 3: And they take advantage of it and they take the lead.
Speaker 3: It's just there.
Speaker 4: Happening to be forty nine seconds left and we know
Speaker 4: that that's far too much time for this Bengals defense.
Speaker 4: That is I really, I'm not sure that you could
Speaker 4: tackle anyone listening right, Yeah, Yeah, it's embarrassing how bad
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 1: I have never seen like, literally, you screwed up a
Speaker 1: story book. And it's not in the script, and it's
Speaker 1: no Hollywood script, which are that you you score a touchdown. Uh,
Speaker 1: if you get the you recover the ball kicking on
Speaker 1: side of recovered, you go ahead and the final two
Speaker 1: minutes of the game, and right there that should be it.
Speaker 1: That's that's how it always ends. If you recover and score,
Speaker 1: it's over. You win. There's no way you lose that game.
Speaker 1: You screwed up the fairy tale ending. And yet the
Speaker 1: Bengals did that by a long klea Williams to hit
Speaker 1: Colston Loveline on the fifty y fifty air touchdown with
Speaker 1: two guys at least two guys missing tackles.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just tackle tackle. The funny thing is is on
Speaker 4: podcast after the game as talking about different things.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you know what's funny.
Speaker 4: No one's talking about them actually giving up a twenty
Speaker 4: four yard to the rookie tight end.
Speaker 3: It's that they didn't bring him down after they gave
Speaker 3: up the play.
Speaker 4: Like the bar is so low. We're not even talking
Speaker 4: about the fact that you gave up the pass that
Speaker 4: put them in field goal range. It's just all right,
Speaker 4: if you're going to give that up, can you bring
Speaker 4: him down? And I truly don't understand. And since the game,
Speaker 4: I've reached out to some coaches in different personnel just
Speaker 4: to see, like, all right, hey, coaching, why it's supposed
Speaker 4: to do here? What are you supposed to do with this?
Speaker 4: And I know the Bengals do work tackle and at
Speaker 4: some point the players just have to tackle, you know.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like a receiver has to catch the ball,
Speaker 4: like you can do so much. And I think that's
Speaker 4: kind of where things are now. I'm stunned that they
Speaker 4: continue to have this issue at the level that they're
Speaker 4: having this issue. I get it once in a while,
Speaker 4: really good players, but game on the line, chance for
Speaker 4: a storybook ending that should have been cold to level
Speaker 4: and getting hit by five guys and people ripping at
Speaker 4: the ball and him going down the moment he catches it.
Speaker 1: That Like I said, we joked last week about them
Speaker 1: throwing hipchecks. I mean, it looks like they're playing hockey
Speaker 1: not football. As they came into the game, the Bengals
Speaker 1: did ninety four mistackles six hundred and forty five yards
Speaker 1: total in the league, which is by farther wors than
Speaker 1: the league yesterday missed fifteen tackles for another one thirty three,
Speaker 1: So they're at eight hundred just about eight hundred yards
Speaker 1: and allow and mistackles allowed extra yards from that initial contact.
Speaker 1: It hasn't been acceptable all season. And as we've talked
Speaker 1: about you, that's drafting, that's getting in the talent that
Speaker 1: by this level you should be able to tackle, and
Speaker 1: you're not doing it in my opinion. So the million
Speaker 1: dollar question is in the other thirty one franchises out there,
Speaker 1: this would be terminal for a head coach or at
Speaker 1: least someone. The reason I'm having James repeating a little
Speaker 1: early this morning normally here at eleven thirty as we
Speaker 1: head in to lunchtime, are that it feels like it's
Speaker 1: hit critical mass at this point. Two back to back
Speaker 1: historic law is you've got the buy. I imagine I'll
Speaker 1: lose in the off week somehow, I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 1: When Zach Taylor is running out of words, he says,
Speaker 1: it's sick to lose like that. I feel sick right now.
Speaker 1: That means you have no answers. Heads have to roll.
Speaker 1: You were in the locker room afterwards after the loss.
Speaker 1: How does that compare to last week's collapse?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, Oh, I mean it's a good point.
Speaker 4: Less guys were willing to talk, and I think that defensively,
Speaker 4: we certainly heard from less guys. I know when we
Speaker 4: put up our videos and our audio in Cincinnati Bengals,
Speaker 4: talking was that way, you know on YouTube it was
Speaker 4: a lot of offensive guys. And look, you're right, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's it does feel that way that that a move
Speaker 4: is possible.
Speaker 3: You're also right that it an issue. There's no doubt.
Speaker 1: Someone has to lose their job here. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: no room for debate. Is that when you have guys?
Speaker 1: This is from Mike Protaglia said that a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys who were in on that player in the defense
Speaker 1: were part of the problem, not the solution. Wouldn't speak
Speaker 1: after the game somewhere laughing and saying, hey see on Monday,
Speaker 1: there's no accountability there. Then you see guys like t
Speaker 1: and Chase and and you know, they're frustrated, they're angry,
Speaker 1: they're they're bad mouthing the defense. Now it's on rabbits
Speaker 1: got to be on the reason. I asked you about
Speaker 1: the locker room, and it feels like from the reports
Speaker 1: it's been unraveling for a while.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's easy for that to happen when you
Speaker 4: have two units growing in different directions and you have Jamar,
Speaker 4: Jamar fighting every inkling that he has, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean he quietly had one hundred and eleven yard yesterday.
Speaker 3: I thought that was a very quiet Jamar game. And
Speaker 3: you look up and he's got.
Speaker 4: He's got a hundred guard. He jings obviously made a
Speaker 4: bunch of plays. And we talked to Jamar after and
Speaker 4: he's saying like three and four words and it's like
Speaker 4: we're torturing him, and I don't want to torture Jamar.
Speaker 4: After the game, that's not my goal. But guess what,
Speaker 4: he's a leader and people care what he says. People
Speaker 4: want to know what he thinks. And you know what
Speaker 4: he thinks. He thinks that the defense sucks and that
Speaker 4: they need to do their job a little bit. And
Speaker 4: he hasn't said that, but I know that's what he's thinking,
Speaker 4: and he was. He was caught on camera when he
Speaker 4: was walking in the locker room saying, just one bleeping stop, right,
Speaker 4: and that's what everybody's thinking. Chase Brown said, We'll just
Speaker 4: finish the game. And it is that simple like and
Speaker 4: sometimes those things are a simple thing can be hard
Speaker 4: to carry out and execute and much more easier said
Speaker 4: than done. But they have to find a way in
Speaker 4: those situations to get that turnover and get that stock.
Speaker 4: I mean, they had him on third downright in Caleb
Speaker 4: Williams runs for fourteen yards and then the very next
Speaker 4: play is a coastal levelin fifty eight yards.
Speaker 3: So it's this locker room.
Speaker 4: It felt like it was starting to bend before the
Speaker 4: Joe Blackoch, Yeah, because things.
Speaker 3: Are just spial spiraling out of control.
Speaker 4: It almost in the other way where the offense was
Speaker 4: just so non functional. They trade for Joe Flacco, and
Speaker 4: it's completely flipped the other way, where the defense has
Speaker 4: showed us who they are, the offense has figured it out,
Speaker 4: and who the defense is very well could be the
Speaker 4: worst defense in NFL history. That is not me being
Speaker 4: not me exaggerating. When you look at the numbers, they're
Speaker 4: they're very much in that conversation.
Speaker 1: James Rapine from si Bengals Talk dot com Lockdown begels
Speaker 1: and talking about what would feel like the inevitable inevitable
Speaker 1: in any other NFL city, and that is what is
Speaker 1: going to happen with the head coach and in this case, uh,
Speaker 1: maybe Duke Tobin, the guy who essentially gets the players
Speaker 1: for us, And uh, you know, if if you're bringing
Speaker 1: guys in and ain't getting it done, I don't know
Speaker 1: how that's that much on Zach Taylor and the schemes defensively,
Speaker 1: because we've got two guys, two minds working on that.
Speaker 1: If you can't tackle, you can't show up, you can't
Speaker 1: play your position. That feels more like a front office
Speaker 1: issue in Duke Tobin. And yet there's a guy who's
Speaker 1: never come I don't think the average person, myself included,
Speaker 1: could pick Duke Tobin out of a lineup to show
Speaker 1: you the lack of accountability there. It's always Zach Taylor
Speaker 1: has to be the guy speaking for him. That's not
Speaker 1: fair on coach and I don't think it's fair quite
Speaker 1: honestly for the fan base.
Speaker 4: Totally agree, totally agree. But believe me, I would love
Speaker 4: love to hear from Duke always and uh that that
Speaker 4: is not something that we would ever turn down as media.
Speaker 4: I promise you, no, no, I promise you we would
Speaker 4: love to hear from Duke today.
Speaker 1: Are accountable. They show up, they answer questions, they do
Speaker 1: things public appear. This guy, uh you know, talk about
Speaker 1: the man men behind the curtain, right, he's like it
Speaker 1: feels like he's protected like a mafia don or something
Speaker 1: like that. He's surrounded by goons.
Speaker 4: Right, Hey, if those good if those goods can tackle,
Speaker 4: you give him on you get those guys on the field.
Speaker 1: That's what horrific. It is horrific down there. And you
Speaker 1: know the other part of the frustration is Bengal season
Speaker 1: ticket windows open it up and you know, we got
Speaker 1: news next the ticket prices are going up. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people and if you look at social
Speaker 1: I don't know how accurate that is or not. Could
Speaker 1: be Russian bots. But if you look at the investment
Speaker 1: you're asked to make and spend more money on a
Speaker 1: team this bad, how's that? And that is really the
Speaker 1: only thing that's going to cause heads to roll, right
Speaker 1: is typically the family looks at the bottom line, and
Speaker 1: if people are unhappy and there's a revolt, as we
Speaker 1: saw with Marvin Lewis, it might cause Zach Taylor's job,
Speaker 1: but it probably shouldn't be him. It should be Duke Tobin.
Speaker 4: I I agree with you on the surface, right I
Speaker 4: you know I'm not, But there's so much context that
Speaker 4: goes into our should this gubby fire? Should this guy
Speaker 4: or that? Or what should you do? How should you
Speaker 4: fix that? Here's what I would say, they failed at
Speaker 4: building this defense top So who had.
Speaker 3: A hand in what? Who was the one stopping on
Speaker 3: the table for who?
Speaker 4: During the draft when they made draft picks that I
Speaker 4: got to be honest, when you look at who they
Speaker 4: could have had in like consensus and rankings and just
Speaker 4: like the general draft stuff. And I love the draft,
Speaker 4: they went down the pass that was as risky as
Speaker 4: any that you could have and they went down a
Speaker 4: path with guys that probably weren't considered plug and play
Speaker 4: type players really throughout the draft, even if they are
Speaker 4: good dudes and work hard and all of those things
Speaker 4: and so very very much risk.
Speaker 3: They're taking a lot of risk with that.
Speaker 4: And when you combine that with a poor free agency,
Speaker 4: all right, well, why were they for free agent? Is
Speaker 4: it Duke's faulted that the ownership's faulted it the coaches
Speaker 4: saying they didn't like the free agent?
Speaker 3: I don't know. And so that's why I'm not just
Speaker 3: saying Duke, I'm I'm not trying to.
Speaker 5: Hate for him.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to get contact. I don't know who
Speaker 4: made these decisions, but whoever did and who ever said
Speaker 4: no when I'm sure someone in the building was like
Speaker 4: me and like, hey, can you add talent? Can you
Speaker 4: go get this guy or that guy or this guy
Speaker 4: or that whoever that is certainly deserves to be hard, nototiced,
Speaker 4: because that's why they're in this position.
Speaker 3: I mean, they should be Scott fi for.
Speaker 4: Winners of three straight three and one with Joe Flacco,
Speaker 4: second place in the AFC, worth with a real chance
Speaker 4: to battle the Steelers in two weeks for first place
Speaker 4: in the division.
Speaker 3: That's where they should be and they're not there, and.
Speaker 4: So they really need to look hard in the mirror
Speaker 4: and figure out why they failed for multiple years building
Speaker 4: the defense.
Speaker 3: But certainly this offseason going into this year.
Speaker 1: If you're asking people to buy the product and that
Speaker 1: is on field, that's the merchandise, that's the season two,
Speaker 1: that's all that thing. Isn't it fair then to say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we saw the ACTIVI of the offense is
Speaker 1: doing fine. It's the defense it's been a problem. You're
Speaker 1: in your second coordinator, the results are getting worse. At
Speaker 1: what point is it fair to question those people who
Speaker 1: are bringing the talent to Cincinnati? And that would be
Speaker 1: Tooke Tobin and people in that front office. If you're
Speaker 1: asking people to support this team and continue to turn
Speaker 1: out to support the Bengals, is it not fair that
Speaker 1: there's some accountability and some questions answered on the part
Speaker 1: of the people who have been silent for years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a big Drea, It's not a big ask.
Speaker 3: Totally agree, Totally agree. They stunk in the draft.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I think I follow the draft and
Speaker 4: try to fuck and cover the draft in a way
Speaker 4: that is unique to anyone in Cincinnati, and that covers
Speaker 4: the Bengals and do it as extensively as I can.
Speaker 3: And they have been so bad.
Speaker 4: At drafting compared to what they could have had, and
Speaker 4: a lot of it isn't kindsight. Like I've said, fans
Speaker 4: are smarter than ever, media members can be smarter than
Speaker 4: ever when it comes to the draft because there's so
Speaker 4: much info and there is so much info you can get,
Speaker 4: and so by draft day, I feel like I know
Speaker 4: the first three rounds like the back of my hand.
Speaker 4: And for them to end up with what they had
Speaker 4: and they ended up with versus what they could have
Speaker 4: had just this year, I mean this is a multi
Speaker 4: year problem, but just this year. I mean they've invested
Speaker 4: so many picks. Three of their first of their last
Speaker 4: four first rounders Scott have been defensive players to pass rush,
Speaker 4: a safety, and now corner like. They've invested two second
Speaker 4: round picks in corners. They invested two picks this year
Speaker 4: in mine back like they've invested in the defense, and
Speaker 4: they're either poor picks they can't develop them, or a
Speaker 4: mixture of both. And firing Lou clearly didn't worse.
Speaker 1: Arguably, I mean, it's uh, you know, a loss is
Speaker 1: still a loss. And I look at this, I think
Speaker 1: many Bengals fans do, and you throw your hands up
Speaker 1: in apathy, going, we're this close to the super bowling
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and now this something's got
Speaker 1: to change. And quite obviously going to the bye week,
Speaker 1: I think the silence down there by not doing it,
Speaker 1: doing something and addressing this is really hurt because I
Speaker 1: mean the players go their separate ways to the bye
Speaker 1: week for a little while anyway, doesn't that just bring
Speaker 1: more animosity when they come back. It's gonna make it
Speaker 1: worse because you're going to steal on that through the
Speaker 1: time off you had.
Speaker 3: Sure will.
Speaker 4: You know, if you're an offensive player, you're going to
Speaker 4: see your family during the bye You're probably going to
Speaker 4: go home or your hometown and guess what, your your
Speaker 4: buddies at the hole in the wall bar a man
Speaker 4: that defense, Oh my god, I don't.
Speaker 3: In on defense. They're gonna make faces and like, oh
Speaker 3: that's a tough one, huh.
Speaker 1: Like you know, like, yeah, it's gonna be therapeutic. You're
Speaker 1: gonna come back and be pissed more pissed off, probably
Speaker 1: because you're in your own head about it real quick, James.
Speaker 1: The odds that something happens today, never say never, but
Speaker 1: are we going to see something? There's got to be
Speaker 1: some sort of symbolic move the Bengals do to appease
Speaker 1: the fan baser.
Speaker 4: The thing is is they don't react that way.
Speaker 3: And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
Speaker 4: A lot of franchises in the NFL react with emotion,
Speaker 4: and usually I think that they they get it wrong.
Speaker 4: I don't know, person I don't know what firing Al
Speaker 4: Golden does. Yep, I don't because he can't physically go
Speaker 4: out there and make Jordan battle right right, all right?
Speaker 4: For those that want that gone, fine, that could happen.
Speaker 4: I just don't think it's gonna happen today. And I
Speaker 4: don't I still don't know what that doest it other
Speaker 4: than make a move to make a move. But one
Speaker 4: that's interesting is do and if they look at it
Speaker 4: and they say, man, we really don't have the talent.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that would happen today. I think
Speaker 4: that would happen at the end of the year. I
Speaker 4: think any of these moves would happen at the end
Speaker 4: of the year. Sair enough, I want to dismiss any
Speaker 4: of them, but I'm not anything's gonna happen today, which
Speaker 4: means that it'll happen probably five minutes after.
Speaker 3: I get off.
Speaker 1: All right, James, all the best, buddy, I know we
Speaker 1: got to get going round a light. Appreciate it. Thanks Nana. Well,
Speaker 1: if something breaks out, you'll break in. James Rapeen with
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Speaker 1: Scott flowing back on seven hundred WWDE Can we have
Speaker 1: any more like awful news going on this Monday morning?
Speaker 1: Not how we want to wake up when we if
Speaker 1: we didn't get an hour's sleep. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: you know winter is here and it's going to be
Speaker 1: depressing and dark, and of course he had the Bengals
Speaker 1: the kind of pels and can comparis into the serious
Speaker 1: nature of seven people shot in and around Cincinnati on Saturday,
Speaker 1: literally at one o'clock in the morning in OTR gun
Speaker 1: violence rang out in front of the Privy Bar on
Speaker 1: Elm Street, steps away from Rhenggeist by the way. And
Speaker 1: keep in mind a lot of people reveling because it's Halloween.
Speaker 1: They're dressed up, they're in costume. You have college kids,
Speaker 1: young people, middle aged people, older people having a good time.
Speaker 1: The gunfire rings out in front of this bar. And
Speaker 1: I just got this video and I shared it via
Speaker 1: my Facebook page at Scott Sloane in on ex A's
Speaker 1: Scott Sloane and it comes from a reliable source, an
Speaker 1: individual who lives in the neighborhood. It is a Sunday
Speaker 1: morning and I'll describe it for you if you want
Speaker 1: to see it for yourself. It's too unreal to believe
Speaker 1: in the city that hours after an investigation into the
Speaker 1: shots fired, we have the image laying in the grass
Speaker 1: literally across the street, steps away from the Privy nightclub.
Speaker 1: In the grass is a handgun just lying there. It's
Speaker 1: got dew on it, it's got rain on it, whatever
Speaker 1: it might be do or a moisture. And the individuals
Speaker 1: like I live in the neighborhood describing the fact that
Speaker 1: they had this investigation of shooting and there's a gun
Speaker 1: lying there.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Could the gun have been thrown there after the shooting?
Speaker 1: It possibly, but it makes one question maybe how thin
Speaker 1: the resources are and what the priorities are. And you've
Speaker 1: got so many people running around trying to police and
Speaker 1: do what they're doing, and with limited, by the way
Speaker 1: limited resources, one could ask did that thing get missed
Speaker 1: during the shooting investigation? It is. It's chilling to see.
Speaker 1: And also, you know, you could see the kind of
Speaker 1: crowd that you know, mingles out there. It's not good. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm off far but having a good time and I
Speaker 1: don't care. But you know, when you have to have
Speaker 1: armed security guards, when you have to have people with
Speaker 1: metal detectors making sure that you don't get in there
Speaker 1: with guns and weapons, that's a problem. And why is
Speaker 1: that allowed? Why is that permitted? As I understand it
Speaker 1: that this is a problem with this club, it's been
Speaker 1: going on for months now and it yet to be addressed.
Speaker 1: And now we've got a gun literally lying in front
Speaker 1: of the club, or a shooting happened just hours ago.
Speaker 1: This is what we're facing here in Cincinnati. Joined the
Speaker 1: show on seven hundred Wow. She's Betsy brandtnor Smith with
Speaker 1: the National Police Association, because I want to get some
Speaker 1: perspective and just maybe how to whack Cincinnati is compared
Speaker 1: to comparable cities for the rest of the country. Betsy,
Speaker 1: welcome back, are you hey.
Speaker 6: It's great to be with you, and I'm so glad
Speaker 6: you're talking about this because so many big blue cities
Speaker 6: around the country are dealing with this exact same issue
Speaker 6: violent crime, you know, gun crime in an area where
Speaker 6: there are all these gun laws that are supposed to
Speaker 6: take care of this. So yeah, Cincinnati is unfortunately right up.
Speaker 1: There are ween outlier compared to comparable cities. I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel we live here. We don't get to see
Speaker 1: you think it's awful right now because I had you
Speaker 1: on after the beatdown, the July brawl. We've had the
Speaker 1: police chief fired. We have shootings on Fountain Square, which
Speaker 1: is iconic. Everyone knows about Fountain Square and the Genius
Speaker 1: of Water Statue. That is the literally, if you're to
Speaker 1: drop a pin on the map where Cincinnati is, that
Speaker 1: the tip of that pin would be right through the
Speaker 1: heart of the Genius of Water Statue. That's the town
Speaker 1: center basically, and people are out there having a good
Speaker 1: time in gunfire. And then on Thursday night football when
Speaker 1: the Steelers are in town, we had an individual shot
Speaker 1: steps away following the game. And now this seven shooting.
Speaker 1: Seven people shot, including what I just described in front
Speaker 1: of a nightclub with a gun lying there the morning
Speaker 1: after in the grass. When you look at other cities,
Speaker 1: I mean, how how comparable are we because it feels
Speaker 1: like there's no way it could be worse than other cities.
Speaker 6: Well, you're not worse in the cities obviously, Memphis, Tennessee, Chicago, Illinois,
Speaker 6: New York City, larger cities, you know, so you do
Speaker 6: have less violent crime than cities like that. But the
Speaker 6: problem is in Cincinnati, like in some of these other cities,
Speaker 6: is you've had this almost decade long emphasis on things
Speaker 6: like restorative justice and racial justice and all that. And
Speaker 6: then in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, we had
Speaker 6: the George Floyd situation where law enforcement was vilified, prosecutors
Speaker 6: were encouraged to spend more time worrying about criminals than
Speaker 6: crime victims, and we talked about race, race, race, and
Speaker 6: we stopped talking about stopping crime and helping victims. So
Speaker 6: in that light, Cincinnati is right up there with other
Speaker 6: big blue cities, and it's really unfortunate because Cincinnati is
Speaker 6: such a beautiful city.
Speaker 1: It feels like at this point it's starting to get
Speaker 1: away from this. You know, during the summer months, we
Speaker 1: see a spike for obvious reasons. Young people are out
Speaker 1: gun crimes, juveniles are committing violent crimes and violent lects.
Speaker 1: Usually that settles down when the weather gets a little
Speaker 1: bit cooler. But we've now steamrolled into this being October
Speaker 1: and all that with all these people downtown for Halloween
Speaker 1: and now seven people shot this weekend. In particular, we
Speaker 1: as you know, Betsy fired a police chief, or at
Speaker 1: least she's unpaid administrative leave, whatever the hell that means.
Speaker 1: And it's going to be two months to find out
Speaker 1: why the city fired her in the first place. That
Speaker 1: can't be helpening elsewhere where you fight. Essentially fire the
Speaker 1: police chief and then look for reasons as to why
Speaker 1: you fired her. It's going to take two months and
Speaker 1: spend about forty fifty thousand dollars in tax para money.
Speaker 6: No, you're you're right about that, and she, you know, again,
Speaker 6: why was she fired? You know, maybe her response wasn't
Speaker 6: the best when it came to you guys making international news.
Speaker 6: But you know, she came up from inside. She seems
Speaker 6: to know what she's doing, and it seems to be
Speaker 6: a real knee jerk reaction. But again, we prefer to
Speaker 6: wait until the investigation is over. But in the meantime,
Speaker 6: you have people that are being victimized, and how do
Speaker 6: you stop that, how do you stop this gun crime?
Speaker 6: You put people in prison. Punishment works, And that's the
Speaker 6: problem that you have in Cincinnati, like in so many
Speaker 6: other big blue cities, is we've stopped punishing criminals. We
Speaker 6: worry way more about their feelings than we do about
Speaker 6: the feelings of the crime victims, and we stopped really
Speaker 6: paying attention to law. Restorative justice is which means we
Speaker 6: worry more about the criminal than the crime victim. Restorative
Speaker 6: justice is one of the worst things to happen to
Speaker 6: this nation and also to happen to Cincinnati. And you
Speaker 6: can look around Ohio and you can see how other
Speaker 6: cities deal with crime, how other counties deal with crime,
Speaker 6: and very often they do a better job. But Cincinnati,
Speaker 6: unlike some other larger cities, is extremely salvageable, and that's
Speaker 6: what people need to focus on.
Speaker 1: You know, what we see in the crime. The folent
Speaker 1: crime isn't up necessarily in certain areas. It is like
Speaker 1: areas we're talking about property crime is through the roof,
Speaker 1: that's like up sixty percent. But is that pat in
Speaker 1: common in other cities? And what about the divergence that
Speaker 1: indicates about the underlying crime issues that we have.
Speaker 6: When you look at crime statistics, almost every city you
Speaker 6: look at, crime is down. But the problem with that
Speaker 6: is it's reported crime. Forty three percent of crimes in
Speaker 6: this country go unreported because people have given up. And
Speaker 6: when you have a police department that's short staff, like
Speaker 6: Cincinnati does, when you have a police department that is
Speaker 6: beleiaguered like Cincinnati has, people don't even bother to report
Speaker 6: every you know, many many crimes. And it's extraordinary to
Speaker 6: hear that property crime is up because that's the crimes
Speaker 6: that often go unreported. So I would guess your property
Speaker 6: crime problem is off the hook. You also have a
Speaker 6: juvenile crime problem that, in my opinion, isn't being properly
Speaker 6: dealt with. We have got to look at juveniles, we
Speaker 6: have to look at them differently. That's appropriate, but they
Speaker 6: also need to be punished.
Speaker 1: Betsy Brightner Smith of the National Police Association on the
Speaker 1: show on seven hundred W but kind of like a
Speaker 1: national perspective on what's happening in Cincinnati with the seven
Speaker 1: people shot over the weekend, in the steady drum beat
Speaker 1: of violence. It feels like we had the leak of
Speaker 1: the police video on Friday, and that would substantiate the
Speaker 1: fact that the alert Schabnovski hit that the white guy,
Speaker 1: he was the victim in this whole thing, was attack
Speaker 1: from behind, and that was not shared because it didn't
Speaker 1: lead the narrative about how race crimes actually work. It
Speaker 1: was a black guy punching him in the back of
Speaker 1: the head. He turns around starts slapping people. But that's
Speaker 1: what we saw, and that's as sick thing as anything
Speaker 1: else because of all this violence. We don't need to
Speaker 1: add racial animosity this whole thing, but that was of
Speaker 1: course ginned up by a lot of the people who
Speaker 1: are not only seeking your vote but seeking power in
Speaker 1: the city. Is that the racism is a one way street.
Speaker 1: It's always white on block, not the other way around.
Speaker 1: And we could admit that regardless of who you are,
Speaker 1: what you look like, what you stand for, that we
Speaker 1: have racists among us and it's up to the good
Speaker 1: people to stand up. Then you could actually solve problems.
Speaker 1: But that's not happening right now in our city. And
Speaker 1: I look at the gun laying outside the club. That's
Speaker 1: not a good look for CPD. I just posted this
Speaker 1: on my Facebook and x feeds Betsy Brandner Smith that
Speaker 1: someone shared with me. They were out the next morning
Speaker 1: after the shooting at the club and OTR and literally
Speaker 1: across the street from the club there was a handgun
Speaker 1: looks like a nine millimeter handgun laying on the grass
Speaker 1: right in front of the club. People are going to
Speaker 1: look at the police and go, how the hell could
Speaker 1: you miss a gun unless the gun was thrown there
Speaker 1: after the crime, after the police had left, But that's
Speaker 1: probably unlikely.
Speaker 6: Well, and that's the thing, and we really don't know.
Speaker 6: I assume there are cameras outside of this club, and
Speaker 6: I assume that, well, we'll know. But you're right, it's
Speaker 6: not a good look. But you know, the Cincinnati Police
Speaker 6: Department used to be one of the best in the country,
Speaker 6: and they have so many good people and good leaders.
Speaker 6: The problem is is, again they have been themselves beaten
Speaker 6: down by political leadership. And this is why elections are
Speaker 6: so very important when you go to the you know, people,
Speaker 6: when you go to the polls tomorrow. We don't tell
Speaker 6: you how to vote, but I want you to think
Speaker 6: about how you're living in the city of Cincinnati, and
Speaker 6: this is the same thing, and we're seeing all around
Speaker 6: the country. New York's a great example. You know, who
Speaker 6: is going to give you a safer life in your
Speaker 6: city because a lot of people are moving, but people
Speaker 6: who can't afford to move are stuck, and they're the
Speaker 6: ones who become the victims. And we hear so much
Speaker 6: about oh people, you know, poor people are you know,
Speaker 6: they commit crimes because of this, and that most people
Speaker 6: are not criminals. Cops know this, the media knows this,
Speaker 6: even if they don't want to talk about it. Most
Speaker 6: people are just trying to live their lives. We have
Speaker 6: got to root out the criminals, punish them, incarcerate them,
Speaker 6: and then everybody needs to be able to live their
Speaker 6: lives in a nice, open society like we were able
Speaker 6: to do forty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know. To make this a racial element
Speaker 1: of the race, the biggest victims of these crimes by
Speaker 1: these individuals are black women. In particular, black community suffer
Speaker 1: the most when you talk about these gun crimes and
Speaker 1: the like, not not always because we have shootings. Believe me,
Speaker 1: speaking for white America, I mean it's not like we
Speaker 1: have all the problems solved either. We got plenty of
Speaker 1: problems for sure, But the violence issue affects us all
Speaker 1: regardless of where it had. Don't care where it happens,
Speaker 1: I just care that it is happening. And when a
Speaker 1: gun is laying on in the street basically of Cincinnati
Speaker 1: hours after shooting, it's a bad look again for our
Speaker 1: community and to the missteps continue to go. And not
Speaker 1: only that, a lot of the complaints are unanswered by
Speaker 1: this administration, be the city manager and the mayor. Is
Speaker 1: if we simply don't acknowledge it, it'll go away. And
Speaker 1: all we hear is out how tough on crime we're
Speaker 1: going to be, while all the while judges are letting
Speaker 1: people out who should be locked up. That's exactly what
Speaker 1: you're talking about, Betsy Brandner Smith the National Police Association.
Speaker 1: I'm willing bet that those involved in the shootings over
Speaker 1: the weekend have had something in their jacket that would
Speaker 1: prohibit them from having the firearm. You've almost bet the
Speaker 1: House on it. It happened in just about every case
Speaker 1: we've had so far. Why would this be different.
Speaker 6: Well, and I'm going to guess that the vast majority
Speaker 6: of them have probably had lots of police contact before,
Speaker 6: lots of judiciary contact before. And this is the problem
Speaker 6: that we're seeing around the nation, and you're seeing it
Speaker 6: in Cincinnati as well. As people are not being punished
Speaker 6: because what we're saying is societally, punishment is bad. We
Speaker 6: can't punish people. We just need to understand them and
Speaker 6: hold their hand and realize that they weren't breastfed long
Speaker 6: enough and things like that. And it's ridiculous because again,
Speaker 6: most people do not commit crimes, rich, poor, black, white, whatever.
Speaker 6: We need to root out the criminals, punish them, and
Speaker 6: go back to a sane society. And that's why it's
Speaker 6: so important to vote, and to vote for your own safety,
Speaker 6: not for some political party or not because you don't
Speaker 6: like the guy in the White House. Think about your
Speaker 6: own life and is your political leadership doing right by
Speaker 6: you a citizen of Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I was say in Cincinnati, know that that too much
Speaker 1: of emphasis is put on stuff that you mentioned and
Speaker 1: the whole deal. Listen, inclusivity. I'm all for the best
Speaker 1: person for the job, open it up and let the
Speaker 1: market decide him. A free market kind of guy. But
Speaker 1: the idea when Terry Thiji, before she was fired three
Speaker 1: years ago, she was named police chief and her biggest
Speaker 1: concern was about what I'm talking about here. Wasn't about
Speaker 1: improving the police force, more cops on the street, stuff
Speaker 1: like that, important stuff like that. The administration didn't want
Speaker 1: to do that. They wanted to focus on inclusivity and
Speaker 1: all those things. And the end result is when you
Speaker 1: ignore the police department and don't feed it and care
Speaker 1: and nurture for it, things like this happened because there's
Speaker 1: a criminal element out there, and not again I think
Speaker 1: that you'd admit there's different tiers of criminals, but you
Speaker 1: just encourage this kind of predatory, sociopathic behavior where people
Speaker 1: simply we've had shootings here, Betsy, where there's cops standing
Speaker 1: there and they still wind up shooting. They don't care
Speaker 1: about their lives or almost around just their immediate needs.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of hearing about being on your own recognizance
Speaker 1: and they're going to get a job and just promise
Speaker 1: never to do it again. The same people go out
Speaker 1: with an ankle monitor and shoot folks, just like what
Speaker 1: happened in front of the in between after the Thursday
Speaker 1: night Bengals gave guy had an ankle monitor on when
Speaker 1: he fired shots. It's unprecedented.
Speaker 6: Well, it absolutely is. And this is why your police officers,
Speaker 6: before they engage in situations like that, and the criminals
Speaker 6: know this. Your police officers have to think not only
Speaker 6: about their own lives and the lives of people around them,
Speaker 6: but they have to think, am I going to be bilified?
Speaker 6: Am I going to be demonized? Am I going to
Speaker 6: be prosecuted simply for doing my job? Even when usuforce
Speaker 6: is justified And you're so right about the chief. So
Speaker 6: much was made, you know, when she was promoted to
Speaker 6: chief and all that, and there was so much talk
Speaker 6: about diversity and inclusion and this Matt Well, now all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, she's not so diverse, we're not so inclusive,
Speaker 6: and she's on paid leave until we figure out a
Speaker 6: way to demonize her for our own political and administrative mistake.
Speaker 1: She is a Betty Brandner Smith National Police Association, So
Speaker 1: we're not an outlier. We're not different than anybody else.
Speaker 1: If this is happening out of the City's got to
Speaker 1: help us. But there is an election tomorrow. We'll see.
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting tomorrow. I guess it would
Speaker 1: be on Wednesday to find out exactly what the outcome
Speaker 1: because I would think that the voters are going to
Speaker 1: make somebody pay. I'm not quite sure it's going to
Speaker 1: be the mayor though. We'll find out what happens. But Betsy,
Speaker 1: all the best, Thanks for jumping on this morning.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me. Cincinnati is a beautiful city. I
Speaker 6: know it well. It's worth saving everybody.
Speaker 3: Savior city, take care.
Speaker 1: Thank you. We've got to get a news update in.
Speaker 1: We've got lots going on, and you know, more sad
Speaker 1: news of the weekend. A long time member of seven
Speaker 1: hundred w that would actually one of the cornerstones of
Speaker 1: the granddaddy's sport stock, Bob Trump be passing away at
Speaker 1: the age of eighty and I crossed Trump's pass with
Speaker 1: Trump many times working in then at Mount Adams. When
Speaker 1: i'd come in I was doing the nine at midnight
Speaker 1: show years and years and years ago, and I first
Speaker 1: started here and I'd see him on Thursday nights when
Speaker 1: doing some Bengals talk and I'd walk in the studio
Speaker 1: and have great conversations with Bob Trumpy about football and
Speaker 1: a bunch of other things. Just a great guy and
Speaker 1: sad to hear that iron Bob Trump. He passed way.
Speaker 1: Of course he went on to after sports Stock. He
Speaker 1: wanted to do stuff like NBC called Super Bowls, Olympics
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Bob Trumpy passing away at the age
Speaker 1: of eighty and remembering here on the place he got
Speaker 1: his started. Media is right here on the home of
Speaker 1: the best Bengals coverage seven hundred WW Cincinnati. Everyone needs
Speaker 1: help every now and then, and she's here to help
Speaker 1: us get our heads right. This is Mental Health Monday
Speaker 1: with mental health expert Julie Hadtershire. Yeah, I wish we
Speaker 1: had better news on this day with we had shootings
Speaker 1: we have of course what happened on the field with
Speaker 1: the Bengals, and just a lot of doom and gloom
Speaker 1: out there. And that's compounded by the fact that, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got an extra hour of sleep last night, but
Speaker 1: the dividends will be paid for the coming days and weeks.
Speaker 1: For some people when it comes to the fact, the
Speaker 1: sad fact that like Johnny cash In fulsome prison. We're
Speaker 1: not going to see the sun since I don't know when.
Speaker 1: Joining the show is Julie H from b Connected out
Speaker 1: Care Jewels. Good morning, Julie there standby. We got issues here,
Speaker 1: Julia there, there we go. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: Even the phones don't want to work today, even the
Speaker 1: phones are depressed.
Speaker 5: I was talking, I could hear you.
Speaker 7: Sorry about that.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's that's not on you. That's on that's
Speaker 1: on us, maybe because of like maybe our sleep schedules
Speaker 1: are screwed up.
Speaker 3: I don't know, screwed up.
Speaker 1: We got all this damn bad news, and then on
Speaker 1: top of that, we we lose all our sunshine. Now,
Speaker 1: it was nice to wake up this morning, but you
Speaker 1: know what's coming. That's the sad part. You go, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to see the sun in a while here
Speaker 1: pretty soon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really hard on people. It is really hard
Speaker 5: on people. Some people take it better than others, and
Speaker 5: for some people the fall time change is easier.
Speaker 7: Than the springtime change.
Speaker 5: But regardless, we know that what happens in our bodies
Speaker 5: and in our brains, it impacts us. Whether we cope
Speaker 5: better with it than other people do or not. It's
Speaker 5: a big deal and it happens twice the year, so
Speaker 5: we've got to get used to it.
Speaker 3: But I don't like it.
Speaker 1: Well, this one's worse, I think because you have hope, right,
Speaker 1: does it work that with your body? Like, hey, I
Speaker 1: know that the long days are coming because we do
Speaker 1: this in the spring and we lose in our sleep.
Speaker 1: We go, Okay, God, it's going to suck right now.
Speaker 1: But in a few weeks it means summer's here. There's
Speaker 1: some relief. This means that it feels like you're going
Speaker 1: to prison almost maybe a little bit extreme, but I
Speaker 1: think for a lot of people it's true.
Speaker 5: Well you know, for some people that is extreme, but
Speaker 5: for other people. Fall is a lovely season objectively for
Speaker 5: most people. But people who really struggle with winter, fall
Speaker 5: is the precursor to that and to be beginning of
Speaker 5: their really hardest time. There are people who really really
Speaker 5: struggle in the dark and the cold of winter. And
Speaker 5: now we know it's coming, And you're right, there's less
Speaker 5: daylight in our lives, particularly for those people who work
Speaker 5: a normal eight to five, nine to five job. You're
Speaker 5: inside at work during the daylight hours, you leave in
Speaker 5: the dark, you come home in the dark, and it's
Speaker 5: really difficult.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the actual measured health impact. Is there's
Speaker 1: sevel right.
Speaker 6: There are.
Speaker 5: There are quite a few, in fact, so cardiovascularly, it
Speaker 5: has a huge impact on increased number of heart attacks
Speaker 5: and strokes after each time change, consistently up to a
Speaker 5: twenty four percent a recent hospital study in Michigan twenty
Speaker 5: four percent increase in heart attacks.
Speaker 7: On the Monday following the switch.
Speaker 3: That's huge, that's big.
Speaker 7: That's really really.
Speaker 1: Big heart attacks because of the time change. Now I thought, well,
Speaker 1: I got an extra hour sleep, I should be good.
Speaker 1: But that's not true.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, you know, there's what we perceive is happening.
Speaker 5: There's what actually is happening in our bodies. So our
Speaker 5: bodies run on a circadian clock, and the circadian clock
Speaker 5: is timed as animals. Bodies are time to the light
Speaker 5: in the darkness, and when we frequently shift our body clock,
Speaker 5: it has negative impacts.
Speaker 7: So we see this on shift workers.
Speaker 5: We see this in people who travel regularly for work
Speaker 5: across multiple time zones. We see decreased health in those people,
Speaker 5: in large part because of the circadian rhythm differential that
Speaker 5: they have to shift they shift their phases of sleep
Speaker 5: and wake. Also, though done over time, they can come
Speaker 5: to adapt to that. But for the rest of us,
Speaker 5: who only shift it basically twice a year or infrequently,
Speaker 5: it can have really significant negative impacts. So I'm not
Speaker 5: a doctor. I can't explain this to you greater detail
Speaker 5: than that, but I can tell you that there is
Speaker 5: documented evidence that strokes go up maybe eight percent in
Speaker 5: the first couple of days afterward, and heart attacks go
Speaker 5: up significantly in the first couple of days after a
Speaker 5: time shift.
Speaker 1: Okay, so how do you prevent that? If your heart's palpitating,
Speaker 1: you're beating real fast right now, you're sweating, and your
Speaker 1: arms are going numb, we'll call nine one one. But
Speaker 1: before you get to that, what do you have to do?
Speaker 5: Well, one of the things that we're starting to understand
Speaker 5: is helpful is to prepare ourselves for that. So I
Speaker 5: don't know if you, before you went to Australia did
Speaker 5: what some people who travel.
Speaker 7: Long distances across multiple time zones do.
Speaker 5: If they start preparing their body for the time they're
Speaker 5: going to be in by going to bed later or
Speaker 5: going to bed earlier, by getting up later or getting
Speaker 5: up earlier start shifting a few days beforehand into their
Speaker 5: new time zone.
Speaker 1: No, I'm dumb. I would never do that. I'd never
Speaker 1: do that. I'm stupid you.
Speaker 3: At all.
Speaker 6: Well, one of the.
Speaker 5: Things that we recommend is if you are some one
Speaker 5: who you who knows that this time change really impacts you,
Speaker 5: and it really impacts me. Not with a heart attack,
Speaker 5: but just generally I don't feel as well for the
Speaker 5: week afterwards. I try to start shifting my sleep cycle
Speaker 5: and my weight cycle to be more like the time
Speaker 5: that I'm going to be in versus the time that
Speaker 5: I'm currently living in. Then ins of abrupt shift, so
Speaker 5: gradually changing because we know that this is coming and
Speaker 5: we can predict it, can be really helpful.
Speaker 1: Well if you can. But most people, you know, you
Speaker 1: still have to work and then you go okay, and
Speaker 1: then I got to pack and I got to make
Speaker 1: sure everything's in. I'm all excited about traveling. You know,
Speaker 1: as you're talking about that, I know some people and
Speaker 1: there's people listening who are in the business of traveling
Speaker 1: a lot. And you're going to different countries different times.
Speaker 1: You know, P and G notorious for that. Does that
Speaker 1: shape yours off your life?
Speaker 5: I think there's evidence to indicate it has some pretty
Speaker 5: significant medical impacts.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know third work and third shift does.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, absolutely does, and shifting time zones like that.
Speaker 5: Our bodies are not designed to do that, and our
Speaker 5: modern technology allows it, but our bodies are not actually
Speaker 5: physically designed to do that. So it creates stress in
Speaker 5: our body, It creates differences in cortisol levels, it creates
Speaker 5: differences in our serotonin levels, which is one of the
Speaker 5: neuroreceptors neurotransmitters used for mood regulation. And so these differences
Speaker 5: over long periods of time can have negative consequences. And
Speaker 5: I believe that there now studies about protocols for how
Speaker 5: to help people who have shift work or who travel
Speaker 5: across multiple time zones regularly, to help them manage that better.
Speaker 5: But it's something that needs to be carefully managed because
Speaker 5: our bodies don't adapt to that. Anybody who's traveled internationally
Speaker 5: and has jet lag knows that it can take you
Speaker 5: twenty four to thirty six hours to sort of get
Speaker 5: back in the groove again, and then when you come
Speaker 5: back home the same thing can be true.
Speaker 1: She's Julie Hatas Share, our licensed mental health expert Monday more.
Speaker 1: It's always Julie of course, talking about mental health Monday
Speaker 1: at the Be Connected Care. The time change. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: okay right now because you've got a next hour sleep,
Speaker 1: But you know you still feel effects of this too,
Speaker 1: because heart attrack rates are up, motor vehicle accidents. Your
Speaker 1: mental health starts to stuffer at that, you get because
Speaker 1: if you can't handle the sleep very well, there's depression.
Speaker 1: Seasonal effective disorder is a huge one.
Speaker 5: It is, and that is triggered by the time change
Speaker 5: and exacerbated by the increased darkness. So seasonal effective disorder
Speaker 5: is our body's response to not having enough sunlight in
Speaker 5: our day, and people feel that in many different ways.
Speaker 5: People who live in communities that are not very sunshiny,
Speaker 5: like Seattle, often have a low level of seasonal effective
Speaker 5: disorder year round. People who live in areas that are
Speaker 5: more sunshiny, and then once winter comes they get less
Speaker 5: of it becomes more acute. So you can have it
Speaker 5: sort of consistently or you can have it acutely, depending
Speaker 5: upon the seasonal change. But our bodies need sunlight. It
Speaker 5: helps with mood regulation, it helps with sleep regulation, it
Speaker 5: helps with stress levels, cortisol levels. It helps with adrenaline.
Speaker 5: It is important for us to have sunshine in our lives,
Speaker 5: and when we go to work in the dark and
Speaker 5: come home in the dark and we're not outside during
Speaker 5: the day, it's a problem. Those sunlamps really do help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a happy any bright light, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it has to be when a certain spectrum.
Speaker 5: Correct exactly, it has to be within a certain spectrum.
Speaker 5: You have to use it ideally at particular times of day,
Speaker 5: four particular lengths of time in order to mimic the
Speaker 5: impact of sunlight through your eyes, which has a huge
Speaker 5: effect on your brain. So it's not just about sitting
Speaker 5: under any light.
Speaker 7: It's about the.
Speaker 5: Type of light that sunlight is coming through your eyes
Speaker 5: and hitting your brain. You can get that just also
Speaker 5: by ten or fifteen minutes outside with no sunglasses on,
Speaker 5: if it's not terribly bright.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So it's just the sun, the effect of
Speaker 1: the sun itself, the vitamin D, the things that brings
Speaker 1: with it. You mentioned different times of the day when
Speaker 1: you should be exposed. What are you talking what's optimal first.
Speaker 5: Thing in the morning, before you start your day. Ideally
Speaker 5: fifteen to thirty minutes of sunlight, because that triggers your
Speaker 5: body into recognizing that it's awake and time to work now,
Speaker 5: and your brain starts creating all of those hormones that
Speaker 5: you need in order to go through your day and
Speaker 5: do a really good job going through your day.
Speaker 7: And then sometimes.
Speaker 5: If you have a slump in the middle of the day,
Speaker 5: that's another really good time to get some sunlight through
Speaker 5: your eyes because that will again stimulate your brain to
Speaker 5: produce the hormones that provide energy and cognition and keep
Speaker 5: you sharp and focused. And then later at night, as
Speaker 5: you're starting to wind down, you want to decrease blue
Speaker 5: lights so screen time, and increase warm light in your home,
Speaker 5: and then that makes the transition to sleep easier and
Speaker 5: makes your sleep more RESTful so that you can get
Speaker 5: up the next day and do it again.
Speaker 1: All right, So what about that? She you mentioned the
Speaker 1: sleep shifting and getting used to this thing, But how
Speaker 1: often should you? What about naps? I think that's a
Speaker 1: good one too, because it feels like, you know, especially
Speaker 1: when it's gray and darken, we just want to curl
Speaker 1: up and heaven, Well, why do naps get such a
Speaker 1: bad rap?
Speaker 5: I don't know why naps got such a bad rap.
Speaker 5: But I also don't know why sleep got such a
Speaker 5: bad rap. I mean, do you remember back in the
Speaker 5: days when people used to say, I'll sleep when I'm dead,
Speaker 5: and people used to brag about getting by on three
Speaker 5: or four.
Speaker 7: Hours of sleep a night.
Speaker 5: And we know physiologically and mentally and emotionally that we
Speaker 5: most of us need seven to nine hours of sleep
Speaker 5: a night, good quality sleep. So if you are someone
Speaker 5: who needs a nap in the middle of the day,
Speaker 5: what the recommendation currently is is that you don't go
Speaker 5: for more than about thirty minutes you take a power nap.
Speaker 5: Anything more than that you're getting into a full sleep cycle.
Speaker 5: And if you interrupt a full sleep so that leaves
Speaker 5: you feeling groggier and more disconnected than before you went in.
Speaker 7: And so fifteen to.
Speaker 5: Thirty minutes is ideal for most people, and just one
Speaker 5: of those a day to kind of boost your energy
Speaker 5: and boost your mood can be real. I don't know
Speaker 5: why NAP's got a bad rap, for that.
Speaker 1: Have to be when I appear and work ethic, right,
Speaker 1: and somehow you're napping your slacker right, Well, I.
Speaker 5: Mean there is that, although I remember there were a
Speaker 5: few times in my life when I would take my
Speaker 5: lunch hour and go to my car and nap for
Speaker 5: thirty minutes, and then get back into the office and
Speaker 5: work again because I was so tired. You can't really
Speaker 5: nap at your desk. I go hang out in my
Speaker 5: car and nap and then come back in.
Speaker 1: I don't know about the napping cubes. I just the
Speaker 1: people I work with. I don't want to lay where
Speaker 1: they lay. You know what to say, I do know
Speaker 1: what you mean.
Speaker 6: Wow, I'm lucky.
Speaker 7: I have a couch in my office.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I could lay down on my couch if I needed.
Speaker 1: Now, five ten minutes, if you need. I'm not a
Speaker 1: big napper. When I do it, hits, it's good. It's good.
Speaker 1: I don't mind doing it. If you need to take it,
Speaker 1: it makes you more productive. I understand. We don't encourage
Speaker 1: it more. Now you could be like some people and
Speaker 1: probably have a two hour nap. That's much.
Speaker 5: Well, that's too much, because then you're you're all the
Speaker 5: way through one and into your second sleep cycle. A
Speaker 5: complete sleep cycle lasts about ninety minutes, so the first
Speaker 5: part of the sleep.
Speaker 7: Cycle is the really restorative. That's why the first thirty
Speaker 7: minutes is great.
Speaker 5: That thirty minute nap once you move into the second
Speaker 5: part of the sleep cycle, if you awake from that
Speaker 5: in the middle of it, it's really.
Speaker 7: Hard to get back on track again.
Speaker 5: That's when you wake up and your groggy, and you
Speaker 5: actually maybe feel worse than before you took the nap
Speaker 5: because you're in that second part of the sleep cycle.
Speaker 5: It's not really helpful. So that's why the thirty minutes
Speaker 5: is pretty much ideal.
Speaker 1: Which time change is worse the Sprague one or listen,
Speaker 1: I think it'd be this one. Now, granted we're still
Speaker 1: going to get an extra hour sleep. You love that one.
Speaker 1: Bars are open. If you're younger, that means the bars
Speaker 1: are open for the next hour. But for those of
Speaker 1: us adults like to me, it's like, this is worse
Speaker 1: because we know what's coming. You know that we're not
Speaker 1: going to see the sun. It's going to get dark
Speaker 1: and gloomy, and you're going to leave for work it's
Speaker 1: going to be dark, and get home for work it's
Speaker 1: going to be dark. There's no joy in that, there's
Speaker 1: nothing of forward to until we fix it in the spring.
Speaker 5: Physiologically, the research indicates that both have similar impact on
Speaker 5: our bodies. I think it's the meaning we make of it.
Speaker 5: So to your point, the spring, we lose an hour
Speaker 5: of sweep, but we know that warmer, brighter, sunnier days
Speaker 5: are coming.
Speaker 7: However, there are people who really.
Speaker 5: Like winter, and so for them, this season that's coming
Speaker 5: up is not gloomy and doomy.
Speaker 7: It is really fun.
Speaker 5: They like outdoor sports, they like the colder weather. They
Speaker 5: really enjoy, you know, coziness around a fire. So for
Speaker 5: them winter is actually a lovely season and they're not
Speaker 5: disliking it at all. So physiologically the change is very similar,
Speaker 5: or the effect is very similar. It's the meaning we
Speaker 5: make of it that makes for me and you spring
Speaker 5: an easier one to manage than fall.
Speaker 1: I might be a freak, but I enjoy winter. I
Speaker 1: like fall a lot. I like winter. I like winter
Speaker 1: up until about maybe March. By then it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: now it's wet and gloomy and just nasty, can't do
Speaker 1: Anything's rains all the time. That's depressing. I like nice
Speaker 1: white snowfalls, something like that. Get a couple of feet
Speaker 1: of snow on the ground, a fire, I'm good. But
Speaker 1: then one it's just dooming. Blooming right, we don't have that,
Speaker 1: so and then after that, yeah, by February, February starts
Speaker 1: to roll around. When pictures and Catchers report, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: it needs to be over, and then we got two
Speaker 1: mile months of misery is a problem.
Speaker 5: Yes, Pictures and Catchers report used to be a national
Speaker 5: holiday in my household when my kids were young. That
Speaker 5: was their favorite day of the year. Race fall season
Speaker 5: was starting.
Speaker 1: It's over.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's over, yeah, exactly, and that's when things should
Speaker 5: start to get warmer.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: Like you, I like winter. I like a cold Christmas
Speaker 5: and a cold New Year. And then you know, early
Speaker 5: mid January, I'm.
Speaker 7: Kind of done.
Speaker 5: I'm ready for it to start getting warmer again.
Speaker 1: Well did you also notice too that the older, when
Speaker 1: as you get older, you want more sunshine.
Speaker 5: Why isn't Yes, Well, because it helps regulate our mood,
Speaker 5: it helps regulate our energy. Sunshine is really important for
Speaker 5: all of the processes in our body, and the older
Speaker 5: we get, the more challenging physically things can become, the
Speaker 5: more we need every little bit of help we can access,
Speaker 5: and sunlight is important. Darkness feels darker the older I
Speaker 5: get I agree with you, and winter feels more wintery
Speaker 5: and yuckie the older I get, and I think that
Speaker 5: that is pretty common. It's harder to stay warm when
Speaker 5: you're older, it's harder to navigate in the.
Speaker 7: Dark when you're older.
Speaker 5: And we need more of the serotone and the dopamine
Speaker 5: that sunlight provides us, and we need more of the
Speaker 5: cortisol to get us going in through our day that
Speaker 5: the sunlight provides that, because as we get older, our
Speaker 5: brains produce less of that.
Speaker 1: Naturally, I get cortisol dopamine. I'm here for Julie Hattersh
Speaker 1: here at be Connected dot Care. That's let her be
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Speaker 1: then when we return, Austin Elmore's here. So far, no
Speaker 1: worried about anybody getting fired down at pay Corp. Shouldn't
Speaker 1: someone be fired for this? We'll name names coming up
Speaker 1: with Austin as the watches on for a sacrificial lamb
Speaker 1: down with the football team after yesterday's historic disasters loss out,
Speaker 1: back to back historic disasters loss losses. Here on the
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Speaker 6: Since you want to American, All right.
Speaker 1: Here we go. We have good news today. Good news today.
Speaker 1: Dodgers won the World Series. Some really good news. I
Speaker 1: opened the Jays would win. I don't know how it
Speaker 1: makes the Reds look any bad or worse, but nonetheless
Speaker 1: we have shootings. And speaking of sports, we had the Bengals.
Speaker 1: If you thought last week against the Jets was the
Speaker 1: worst ever, literally they said, hold on, hold on, hold
Speaker 1: my beer, hold my rhyangeist watch this and normally the
Speaker 1: football game and the script is always this. In the
Speaker 1: extremely unlikely event you recover an on side kick, and
Speaker 1: then and they more extremely unlikely version you got and
Speaker 1: you score a touchdown to go ahead, You do not
Speaker 1: lose the game. It is that is that is written
Speaker 1: in stone, right, well, it is written in stone. Austin
Speaker 1: Elmore from ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 8: The last two times the Bengals have recovered an on
Speaker 8: side kick, they've lost the game. It doesn't happen. They
Speaker 8: did it in twenty nineteen. You might remember the Burrow
Speaker 8: Bowl I do against the Miami Dolphins where they feverishly
Speaker 8: came back and ended up losing that game, which secured
Speaker 8: the number one pick. And then yesterday feverishly came back
Speaker 8: and with fifty seconds and Caleb Williams everybody who's a
Speaker 8: Bengals fan said that's way too much time, when it
Speaker 8: was they only needed like twenty yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I say that, I tell you because this
Speaker 1: is more insulting than the Jets loss. I don't know
Speaker 1: to me, simply because it's an on seven team, you're
Speaker 1: gonna play like you got nothing. Chicago comes you the
Speaker 1: game one in a little of the closing seconds, all
Speaker 1: you had to do is make it to just stop
Speaker 1: the one guy that's it. Did you did you say
Speaker 1: like this game should have could have and would have
Speaker 1: been won. Did you really think when the Bengals scored
Speaker 1: the touchdown to go up one point and Chicago had
Speaker 1: fifty seconds and a time out. I thought the Stan
Speaker 1: which stick.
Speaker 8: The Bengals were going to win, Nooty exactly. Nobody thought
Speaker 8: they were going to win. If nothing else, they kick
Speaker 8: a field goal and they get out of there.
Speaker 1: But giving up that it's third and ten, Austin, I know,
Speaker 1: all you need to do is tackle.
Speaker 8: All you have to do, Scott were nine games in.
Speaker 8: This is who they are. The expectation is no longer
Speaker 8: for them to win football games. It is how badly
Speaker 8: are they going to screw up the chances they do have?
Speaker 8: Like I winned that game yesterday. I thought Chicago was
Speaker 8: going to win by fourteen points. Right, they were right there.
Speaker 8: And to you know, to the Bengals credit, they fought hard.
Speaker 8: They played pretty well, at least offensively. They kept themselves
Speaker 8: in the game. But defensively, I knew if they needed
Speaker 8: to have a stop, they had to get a stop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no way it was going to happen.
Speaker 1: All right. Here's why.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Normally, like at eleven thirty five of James with Peena,
Speaker 1: he's busy. I don't know if he sees something in
Speaker 1: the tea leaves or whatever. I said, Okay, well we'll
Speaker 1: do James early this morning. I had him at nine
Speaker 1: this morning from Sports Illustrated, Locked on Bengals and bengelstock
Speaker 1: dot com. Great, I said, I'll maybe get Audie or
Speaker 1: something on later in the show during eleven o'clock hour,
Speaker 1: because you just have a sense with the other thirty
Speaker 1: one other cities, it's like somebody's got to pay for this.
Speaker 1: And I bring that up because Zach Taylor says it's sick,
Speaker 1: it's sick to lose that. I feel sick. I'm sick.
Speaker 1: I'm sick right now. When a head coach says that,
Speaker 1: that tells me he's out of answers.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 1: And not only the defense cost the Bengals another game,
Speaker 1: but it was reported that like all the guys on
Speaker 1: defense and the ones that were a lot of the
Speaker 1: problems were laughing to the media going we're not talking.
Speaker 1: I'll see on Monday, like there were no repercussions for this.
Speaker 1: And then that's contrasted with guys like Chase Brown and
Speaker 1: Ti Higgins and Jamar Chase and all those other guys,
Speaker 1: like a number of offensive players were legitimately pissed off
Speaker 1: about this, talking badly in the locker room about the
Speaker 1: defense and the defensive players and responsible like Ah Okay, see,
Speaker 1: I see on Monday, I'm talking to you whatever. That
Speaker 1: tells me that there's no control in the locker, Like literally,
Speaker 1: they're losing control. If they haven't lost control, right, you've
Speaker 1: lost the room, as they say in hockey. Yeah.
Speaker 8: So what I keep hearing from people around the team
Speaker 8: is that there is completely no leadership. Nothing on the
Speaker 8: defensive side of the ball. There's a lack of culture.
Speaker 8: There's a lack of leadership. There are not veterans who
Speaker 8: are doing their job and keeping the young guys in line.
Speaker 8: So Logan Wilson and bj Hill and Trey Henderson they're
Speaker 8: not doing that. They're not those guys in terms of,
Speaker 8: you know, kind of being the leaders in the tent
Speaker 8: pole guys to eedbuddy rally around. And it's more than anything,
Speaker 8: a bunch of kids just walking around thinking everything's funny,
Speaker 8: enjoying life in the NFL instead of grown men at work.
Speaker 8: And that's a major issue for this and there's no
Speaker 8: repercussions for it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: Part of it is if you bench a team captain
Speaker 8: and Logan Wilson, well then okay, well he's he's not
Speaker 8: going to be a part of the solution. Trey Hendrickson hurt. Okay,
Speaker 8: he's not going to be a part of the solution.
Speaker 8: But even when those guys were healthy, they weren't part
Speaker 8: of it. Really vocal yell yeah exactly. So again, the
Speaker 8: Bengals have kind of just put this collection of people
Speaker 8: into the Bengals defensive locker room and hoping for a
Speaker 8: leader to emerge. I mean, Zach said it after the
Speaker 8: loss last week. Somebody in that room has to step up. Well,
Speaker 8: they don't have the personalities or the performances correctly mixed
Speaker 8: together to do that.
Speaker 1: Because it's about talent, but it's also about chemistry.
Speaker 8: It is it's about chemistry. It's it's also about there's
Speaker 8: a certain level of maturity as to understanding fully what
Speaker 8: your job is, what's required of you, and how you
Speaker 8: can become a better person, a person and player. And
Speaker 8: there's a humility that comes with that. I think of
Speaker 8: Jordan Battle for an example, last play of the game,
Speaker 8: essentially the Colston Loveland touchdown. Jordan Battle had had a
Speaker 8: solid game tackling. He had actually looked like maybe he had,
Speaker 8: you know, tackled pretty well. But in that moment, instead
Speaker 8: of wrapping up and tackling Colston Lovelin. He didn't put
Speaker 8: his arms out, he lowered his shoulder. He tried to
Speaker 8: hurt basically, tried to hit him as hard as he
Speaker 8: possibly could. Yes, and he bounced. That guy is six
Speaker 8: foot six, two hundred and seven pounds. He bounced right
Speaker 8: off of him and scored a touchdown. You have to
Speaker 8: be able to discern in those moments. Okay, it's not
Speaker 8: about the big hit here. It's about tackling clock running
Speaker 8: and giving ourselves a chance to win. The Bengals have
Speaker 8: too many players like that, and unfortunately, you know, I
Speaker 8: know the reports coming out of the locker room of
Speaker 8: the laughing and we'll see you guys on Monday. I
Speaker 8: need a little bit more context on that. I would
Speaker 8: like to have some more contexts because the other people
Speaker 8: that cover the Bengals, nobody really said that. It really
Speaker 8: came from Trags, and I appreciate Trags saying that. I
Speaker 8: want to know more about what was asked of them.
Speaker 8: How was that asked of them? Either way, it's soft
Speaker 8: not to speak to the media after a loss. You
Speaker 8: mentioned Jamar Chase does it, Chase Brown does it, Joe
Speaker 8: Flacco does it, Zach Taylor does it? Those are grown men.
Speaker 8: Those are leaders on the team. They don't laugh it
Speaker 8: off and say we'll see you guys on Monday.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 8: I don't assume that they thought it was funny that
Speaker 8: they lost. I think they thought it was funny that
Speaker 8: the reporters wanted to talk to him. And that's an
Speaker 8: issue and again a sign of immature.
Speaker 1: When you see that conflict, right, it's the dichotomy between
Speaker 1: that attitude and literally guys in the offense grown animals
Speaker 1: crying and how angry they are that that could possibly happen.
Speaker 1: That they show so well, that Joe Flacco played so
Speaker 1: incredibly well, yeah, that they allow that to occur and
Speaker 1: think it's funny, think it's okay. There's no accountability now,
Speaker 1: defensive players not asking questions and duck in the media.
Speaker 1: At what point do we call accountability for Duke Toben
Speaker 1: and we come and go, hey, listen, I said this earlier, James, Like,
Speaker 1: no one in Cincinnati say maybe you Dawson, and people
Speaker 1: followus real closely. You wouldn't know what that guy look
Speaker 1: like down the street. There's plenty of general manager's player
Speaker 1: personal guys that are accountable will come on and talk
Speaker 1: to me to we don't hear anything about that. It
Speaker 1: seems to be important and they're not doing it. But
Speaker 1: that then that tells you, Okay, well, how much is
Speaker 1: it on him? I'd love to hear his side of this,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they don't get that out. He doesn't talk,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to talk. The Bengals protect him from talking,
Speaker 1: and he needs to be relieved of his duties. He's
Speaker 1: been here since nineteen ninety nine and really the vast
Speaker 1: majority of his success has come when they're picking inside
Speaker 1: the top ten, which anybody can pick those players, anybody
Speaker 1: can pick Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, And a lot
Speaker 1: of it also came at the hands of Marvin Lewis,
Speaker 1: who had a really good staff that built player scouts
Speaker 1: and development people that were really really good at it.
Speaker 1: And that was one of Marvin's strengths. He was able
Speaker 1: to get the most out of what he had. And
Speaker 1: outside of that, Duke Tobin hasn't really done very much
Speaker 1: at all. Now they've expanded their scouting department, they've expanded
Speaker 1: their research that they have gotten bigger in that regard,
Speaker 1: but it feels like they're going backwards when it comes
Speaker 1: to how they're building a team. They did nothing. Duke
Speaker 1: Tobin did nothing about the safety position. And what has
Speaker 1: been the biggest on this defense so far this year,
Speaker 1: it's been those two safeties, Jordan Battle and Geno Stone.
Speaker 8: It also goes back to Jesse Bates. This team hasn't
Speaker 8: made the playoffs since Jesse Bates left. Yeah, and they've
Speaker 8: tried to replace him with Dax Hill. That didn't work.
Speaker 8: So Duke Tobin needs to be in the crossairs. Duke
Speaker 8: Tobin should be fired. He should not have a job.
Speaker 8: And that is easy for me to say, It's easy
Speaker 8: for anybody who watches this team and understands this team
Speaker 8: and has a brain between their ear holes that Duke
Speaker 8: Tobin should no longer be employed. But he feels so
Speaker 8: insulated within the organization because he's been there since nineteen
Speaker 8: ninety nine that calling for his head or having those
Speaker 8: conversations seem pointless. That's a problem for this organization.
Speaker 1: What led to another record, but what led to Marvin
Speaker 1: lewis being related to duties. I think the team ownership
Speaker 1: felt it so much from the fan base sure that
Speaker 1: they had to make a change, and I think at
Speaker 1: the time mister Brown said Mike Brown said, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to do this, We really didn't want to. But
Speaker 1: you feel the same contact are worse.
Speaker 8: I do, and I think that the presence of Elizabeth
Speaker 8: Blackburn in that organization and the other daughter, Caroline Blackburn,
Speaker 8: I think those two have more pull than they've ever
Speaker 8: had before, and they care deeply about the external view
Speaker 8: of the Bengals. Yeah, they care about what people think,
Speaker 8: and they should NFL team should care about what their
Speaker 8: fans think. Do I think that's enough to sway Mike
Speaker 8: Brown and Katie Probably not, But I do think they
Speaker 8: have a seat at the table, and I do think
Speaker 8: that matters now. Part of the reason also that Marvi
Speaker 8: ended up getting canned is they had about three drafts
Speaker 8: in a row where they missed on a lot of
Speaker 8: players familiar, and that's exactly what's happening here as well.
Speaker 8: They've missed and they've set themselves back years and years,
Speaker 8: and so it might be time now. Listen, if you
Speaker 8: fire Al Golden today, I think that's the right move
Speaker 8: because he's not doing a good enough job with this group.
Speaker 8: But also there's a bunch of bad players on this
Speaker 8: grip and it's not really going to change anything look
Speaker 8: at that, I would right.
Speaker 1: I made this point of lou Anaromo goes to Indy,
Speaker 1: gets shown the door, having a great year in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: I mean they lost the package that they are lost
Speaker 1: to the Steelers yesterday, but okay, they're having a good
Speaker 1: season with lou Anarumo. What does that tell you about
Speaker 1: this defense? He leaves, they put Al Golden in and
Speaker 1: the defense arguably got worse. How much do you I
Speaker 1: don't hang much of this on Al Golden because it's
Speaker 1: a small sample size. I think it's what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: What's the one consonan It's the personnel that you're getting
Speaker 1: in there. It's the Bengals going to put an all
Speaker 1: world record up for allowing hours after hit initial contact.
Speaker 1: It's why they're like eight hundred yards now after the
Speaker 1: first context. It's insane numbers. And and also Zach Taylor,
Speaker 1: how much of the how much you should be on
Speaker 1: head coach Ac Taylor? Granted he runs the offense. Offense
Speaker 1: is fine. So I don't know if I have the
Speaker 1: beef with Zach or Al Golden as much as I
Speaker 1: did Duke Topin.
Speaker 8: I yes, everybody, the most beef should absolutely go to
Speaker 8: Duke Topin, let's let's not let's not forget about that. However,
Speaker 8: if you operate on to the assumption that Duke is
Speaker 8: insulated from criticism, which he is. They don't let him
Speaker 8: talk to the media, he doesn't do any of that,
Speaker 8: and so you have to kind of operate from the
Speaker 8: idea that Duke Tobin's not going to be relieved of
Speaker 8: his duties. I look at the defense and I say,
Speaker 8: Al Golden has not done a good enough job putting
Speaker 8: his guys in position. And I think back as an
Speaker 8: Ohio State fan to the National Championship Game. Biggest play
Speaker 8: of the game, third down. He goes one on one
Speaker 8: with the best football player in the country, Jeremiah Smith,
Speaker 8: cooks his cornerback catches the ball.
Speaker 1: Ohio State wins the championship.
Speaker 8: That was a stupid play call by Al Golden the
Speaker 8: National Championship Game. There have been stupid play calls by
Speaker 8: Al Golden as a defensive coordinator this year. Is it
Speaker 8: all his fault? No, because there are a bunch of
Speaker 8: bad players. I think eventually all roads lead back to
Speaker 8: Zach Taylor. This was Zach's guy, right, Zach hired Al
Speaker 8: Golden his buddy, his neighbor, his guy who was here previously,
Speaker 8: the continuity and the familiarity of previously. I think that's
Speaker 8: a Zach Taylor issue. I think Zach has struggled to
Speaker 8: find the right position coaches at times over the years,
Speaker 8: and that has had a negative impact on scouting and
Speaker 8: development because of the weight that is put on Bengals coaches,
Speaker 8: specifically in this organization. And I think eventually all roads
Speaker 8: lead back to Zach Taylor, and he has failed to
Speaker 8: build a defensive staff because again, think about it, Zach
Speaker 8: delegates mostly everything on defense.
Speaker 1: He's done.
Speaker 8: I think you could make the argument this is one
Speaker 8: of the most impressive offensive coaching seasons of Taylor down ye,
Speaker 8: incredibly impressive, but he delegates basically everything to the defensive
Speaker 8: side of the ball. Louis Arumo was basically the head
Speaker 8: coach last year on defense, right, Yeah, and that's fine.
Speaker 8: People do that across the league all the time. But
Speaker 8: there is not a respect or an appreciation for Al
Speaker 8: Golden like there was for lou Ana Arumo. It started
Speaker 8: to be a mutiny last year where guys were turning
Speaker 8: on lou The organization saw the disconnect, so they kind
Speaker 8: of scaped. Goat lou Well, now you're starting to figure
Speaker 8: out maybe it's actually the players on the team, right, You.
Speaker 1: Fire Al Golden and get somebody else in and you
Speaker 1: get the same result that what Yeah, And again that
Speaker 1: finger points back to Duke Tobin, right, but it also
Speaker 1: points back to Zach Taylor because these are his guys
Speaker 1: and his coaches, and he has to say in all
Speaker 1: of that as well, all right, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: like It's they have come to a point where you
Speaker 1: have five years left basically in the Burrow era, and
Speaker 1: they have gone through the last six years basically of failure,
Speaker 1: two really good seasons.
Speaker 8: Burrow's been hurt a lot. You have five years left
Speaker 8: in the NFL. Five years is the blink of an eye,
Speaker 8: It really is. You have to clean house now and
Speaker 8: try to build this thing up so you have at
Speaker 8: least a chance at the end of this thing over
Speaker 8: the next five ye and keep Burrow healthy.
Speaker 1: Because it's not just that, it's also what the on
Speaker 1: line is doing. Of course, you mentioned safety and defense,
Speaker 1: and it's there's this is not like a ay off season,
Speaker 1: we'll get it squared away. It should have been addressed
Speaker 1: this year in the upcoming season, and now you pushed
Speaker 1: all that back, and how much longer has that reduced
Speaker 1: that window? Because now you've got to do it over
Speaker 1: maybe the next two seasons, right, correct, You're not gonna
Speaker 1: do this in one. Yeah, I'm right there with you,
Speaker 1: which again tells me why you need to start thinking
Speaker 1: ahead right now, which means trade Tree, Hendrickson, trade Logan Wilson,
Speaker 1: trade anybody, you can trade, stockpiled draft picks, maybe use
Speaker 1: that in the offseason to go and get some other
Speaker 1: better players. They're looking at sixty five to seventy million
Speaker 1: dollars in cap space next year, which is certainly doable.
Speaker 1: You can turn things around with that amount of money.
Speaker 1: I know everybody wants to think that they're broke because
Speaker 1: of Joe Burrow and Jamar Chasen t against. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, the restructuring for Joe Burrow's contracts haven't even
Speaker 1: hit yet, so you can expand that money even more so.
Speaker 8: I do think you can turn it around quickly. I
Speaker 8: don't know that you can turn it all around in
Speaker 8: a year. But again, one of the talking points coming
Speaker 8: into this season was can they go from the thirty
Speaker 8: first ranked defense to the twentieth and if they do,
Speaker 8: guess what, they're probably six and two right now. If
Speaker 8: they had the twentieth ranked defense in the NFL, they
Speaker 8: would probably be six and two.
Speaker 1: But instead of thirty one, you're thirty two. Correct one
Speaker 1: thing wrong way.
Speaker 8: One thing the Bengals have always taught us over the years,
Speaker 8: God is that it can always get work.
Speaker 1: Now, so I can't get worse because there's not thirty
Speaker 1: three teams. Well maybe, but like that's where we're at,
Speaker 1: and so you have to, like starting today, start looking
Speaker 1: about looking to next year and the year after and
Speaker 1: the year after that, real quick. Austin Nolmore from esp
Speaker 1: in fifteen thirty. Can you do that without? Because two things?
Speaker 1: You fire Al Golden, Let's say that happened. They're doing
Speaker 1: that right now, Okay, okay, sory a fire Duke Tobin.
Speaker 1: Do you need him to unload players? Do you need
Speaker 1: him to stock draft picked? I don't think you do.
Speaker 1: Do you wait until Wednesday? I don't think you do.
Speaker 8: I think there are people in that building that are
Speaker 8: absolutely capable of doing that. Number One, Katie can do
Speaker 8: it if she needed to, because she did it for
Speaker 8: a long time. Andrew Johnson has been in that organization
Speaker 8: for a long time. He's a scouting executive, Trey Brown,
Speaker 8: who is multiple times interviewed for GM positions across the league.
Speaker 8: He might make the most sense as the internal candidate
Speaker 8: to promote if you wanted to do that. Now, I
Speaker 8: think they should go external. But there are people in
Speaker 8: that organization that can absolut and Mike was the GM
Speaker 8: for years. Mike can do it as well. Again, I'm
Speaker 8: talking about just offloading players now. I don't know if
Speaker 8: I want the building, the future the franchise in those hands.
Speaker 8: But if you're moving on.
Speaker 1: But listen, Dukes and everybody's on the table, well pretty
Speaker 1: much everybody on the defense on the defense, Yeah, who's
Speaker 1: off table?
Speaker 8: Uh? Nobody? Maybe DJ Turner d good. Yesterday Romo Dunes.
Speaker 8: They had zero catches for zero yards. He had one
Speaker 8: catch that he could have been a touchdown. Guess who
Speaker 8: was covering him, Geno Stone, not DJ Turner. You build
Speaker 8: around DJ Turner. You're still open to the idea of
Speaker 8: building around Shamar Stewart's only eight games into his career
Speaker 8: and played that much. But yeah, Trey Hendrickson is a
Speaker 8: perfect example. Trey Hendrickson is here right now because the
Speaker 8: Bengals for some reason, thought they could win the super
Speaker 8: Bowl this year. That's the only reason who's here. They
Speaker 8: basically told him to his face, we don't believe in
Speaker 8: you moving forward. We think you're gonna get older, you
Speaker 8: think you're gonna get a hurt. We're not believing it.
Speaker 8: And Bengals have a long history of that. When guys
Speaker 8: turned thirty and they said we want you back because
Speaker 8: we think who can win the super Bowl this year?
Speaker 8: Well that's gone. It's over that, that hope is no
Speaker 8: longer with the team. Get as much as you can now,
Speaker 8: I'm real quickly.
Speaker 1: We only got seconds likelihood that this summon goes since
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin, al Golden, Zach Taylor all three two to three?
Speaker 1: Does it happen? Uh? Today?
Speaker 8: No, I don't think it happened. What about Wednesday? No,
Speaker 8: I don't think it's going to happen during the season.
Speaker 8: That's something else right there.
Speaker 1: I agree. And you're out trying to sell season tickets
Speaker 1: too with a higher price. Yeah, good luck, good luck
Speaker 1: with that, and then good luck.
Speaker 8: I would be shocked if there were any in season moves,
Speaker 8: just because I know how this organization operates.
Speaker 1: I don't expect it at all. More on this and
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. Austin and Tony at Newon on
Speaker 1: ESPN fifty thirty appreciation, Thank you, We'll do news and
Speaker 1: Council member Seth Walschnez check out my Facebook and X page.
Speaker 1: Absolutely shocking what happened after the shooting in OTR. That's
Speaker 1: next seven hundred horrible weekend in Cincinnati, not only the
Speaker 1: football field, but of course with violent seven people shot
Speaker 1: and two different shootings over the weekend and carthage and
Speaker 1: two locations there one person dead and then a handful
Speaker 1: of people shot in OTR outside of nightclub out there
Speaker 1: inside of Privy, which is literally steps away from Ryan Geist.
Speaker 1: I just posted this on my Facebook feed at Scott
Speaker 1: Sloan and at X at Scott Sloan video shared with
Speaker 1: me that shows the day after the morning after the
Speaker 1: shooting in OTR, a gun was found in the grass
Speaker 1: right across from seat. How do you miss a gun
Speaker 1: in the grass across the street unless it was maybe
Speaker 1: thrown there after? But I don't know why to do that. Well,
Speaker 1: there's cops and crime scene tape up. If you want
Speaker 1: to see it, go there. It's just a horrific look
Speaker 1: for our city, and we don't need any more bad
Speaker 1: looks these days, for sure. Joining the show this morning
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW about the shootings and of course
Speaker 1: what happened on Friday with the video releasing showing that
Speaker 1: the city got it all wrong, and who was the
Speaker 1: aggressor in the July twenty sixth brawl downtown. That would
Speaker 1: be concole member Seth Walsh back again on the Big One, Seth,
Speaker 1: Good morning, Yeah, horrible weekend in Cincinnati. How much does
Speaker 1: it Well, we'll start with us. You're out campaigning, are
Speaker 1: on the streets, You're out on the streets this weekend.
Speaker 1: Have we become just simply numb to the steady drum
Speaker 1: beat of this kind of violence? I mean, seven shot
Speaker 1: in one weekends a lot.
Speaker 3: It is a lot.
Speaker 9: I don't think we've gotten numb to it. I certainly haven't.
Speaker 9: I'm pretty furious this morning yesterday when when I heard
Speaker 9: the news, I mean, especially the violence that we saw
Speaker 9: outside of Privy. I mean that was something that in
Speaker 9: my opinion, was incredibly preventable and frankly, something that I've
Speaker 9: been raising concerns about since April and the city didn't
Speaker 9: step in and solve it, and we have to do better.
Speaker 9: This is just it's an unacceptable position for us to
Speaker 9: be sitting as in the city having this conversation today,
Speaker 9: knowing what we knew going into this weekend.
Speaker 1: So this is the OTR shooting in particular, it was
Speaker 1: used to be pash Events I think was event Center
Speaker 1: and now it's Privy Nightclub. And it looks like, you know,
Speaker 1: they got the velvet rope up if that's you're seene,
Speaker 1: got security guards, I guess armed security there the velvet
Speaker 1: rope they wand you before getting out of the club.
Speaker 1: Allegedly what caused that was someone was turned away at
Speaker 1: the door for whatever reason. The video I just shared
Speaker 1: on my social feed at x and at Facebook at
Speaker 1: Scott Sloan shows a gun across the street from where
Speaker 1: the police were hours earlier following the shooting. This would
Speaker 1: have been Sunday morning. The shooting happened about one o'clock
Speaker 1: Saturday night, so there's a gun laying in the grass
Speaker 1: the next morning. Horrible look for the city. What do
Speaker 1: you understand happened and what's the latest that you're hearing
Speaker 1: from the administration? Are those you talk to Seth.
Speaker 9: Honestly, what you just talked about is you know almost
Speaker 9: more than what I've known.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 9: I reached out yesterday when I saw the news, and
Speaker 9: I have not been given any update on the situation
Speaker 9: and what occurred, which is incredibly frustrating because you know,
Speaker 9: like I said, you know the bar itself. You know,
Speaker 9: as you listed, they are doing things. To be correct,
Speaker 9: I'm trying to prevent instance from happening, but we have
Speaker 9: had a number of quality of life issues and concerns
Speaker 9: ories about them literally for six months now, and it
Speaker 9: seems to just continually asked, waited one way or another,
Speaker 9: not usually within the club, but you know, from an
Speaker 9: impact outside of it, and the fact of the city,
Speaker 9: you know, I think giving me more information concerns me frankly, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you have ryan Geist right around the corner,
Speaker 1: that's a huge operation. Never any problems there. But we
Speaker 1: have clubs like this where the clientele is, I don't know,
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, feel that they've got to carry a
Speaker 1: gun with them, which is why I have harm security.
Speaker 1: And personally, I walked to and I'm I and I've
Speaker 1: been this way for a while, but as an old
Speaker 1: man now Seth. I don't know about you. As a young man.
Speaker 1: If I go to a place and they pull a
Speaker 1: wand to wand me metal detect or, I go to
Speaker 1: the metal detector getting the club, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: go in that bar.
Speaker 9: Well, And I think that's part of the objectives of
Speaker 9: the bar was to make sure people knew that that
Speaker 9: wasn't something they were going to tolerate. Obviously, this weekend
Speaker 9: shows that, you know, that's type clientele still was coming
Speaker 9: and results in in a horrible, this horrible tragedy. Also,
Speaker 9: I mean it is literally right across from I guess,
Speaker 9: and so it's it's a very important part of the
Speaker 9: city where the redevelopment efforts have happened and what we're
Speaker 9: trying to work on. We have to find a way
Speaker 9: our owners, they have a lot of responsibility, but we
Speaker 9: can't continually have these impacts where just because they don't
Speaker 9: enter the establishment, they're trying to come to the establishment
Speaker 9: and it's resulting in violence or car breakings after they've
Speaker 9: left your establishment. At some point we have to start saying,
Speaker 9: like we all have to be holding each other accountable here.
Speaker 9: This is not a one off incident. When when these
Speaker 9: quality of life incidents are just ramping up. What do
Speaker 9: we do to cool it down and make it something
Speaker 9: that it's safe for everybody to go there, because we
Speaker 9: should not have had this violent incident this weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there wasn't a food truck anywhere around, was there,
Speaker 1: because apparently that's what's causing the violence.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 9: I mean, I've never seen a food truck up there,
Speaker 9: but that I don't go up to Ryan guys often enough.
Speaker 1: So sy comment on, well, thank god we got the
Speaker 1: food truck band because I don't know how this is happening.
Speaker 1: If that we have to investigate that. But nonetheless Seth
Speaker 1: walshon and but that's just the ridiculous of the response.
Speaker 1: We you know, we've often talked that you've talked about
Speaker 1: this before. Is all right if it's a if it's
Speaker 1: a known trouble spot. We talked about the hookah bars
Speaker 1: and hookah lounges, and there's there's some bars and places
Speaker 1: they have multiple service calls there and there's still in
Speaker 1: operation a number of places like that in Roselawn. But
Speaker 1: this is an OTR. This isnt the the heartbeat of
Speaker 1: the entertainment area of Cincinnati. Uh, you've got Halloween weekend,
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of revelers out there, and then
Speaker 1: this kind of nonsense goes down. Uh, And you know,
Speaker 1: I may face it, there's you see students in the
Speaker 1: like they don't feel safe. I've known some parents for
Speaker 1: a while now that every time something like this happens,
Speaker 1: they wring their hands, going, I wonder if I should
Speaker 1: allow my kid to continue going to UC. And that's
Speaker 1: you know, around the Clifton campus obviously. So it's a
Speaker 1: much bigger problem than that relative to this level of
Speaker 1: violence that we're looking at, and this this seven shootings
Speaker 1: over the weekend. We'll get to the Carthage one in
Speaker 1: just a second. Here. Have we been proactive enough about
Speaker 1: going after liquor license? I know that the state and
Speaker 1: Mike DeWine, Governor de Wine offered the services of the
Speaker 1: Ohio State Highway Patrol as well as liquor Control to
Speaker 1: come and to start going after these establishments. There's all
Speaker 1: a lot of problems. Has the administration accepted that and
Speaker 1: leaned into what because I know there's troopers coming down
Speaker 1: like I don't know, one weekend a month or something
Speaker 1: like that, Like it's the national. I could say the reservists,
Speaker 1: but what about liquor control? Have we leaned into that?
Speaker 9: In my opinion, no, I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 9: we take this series enough. And the reason I keep
Speaker 9: talking about quality of life issues is because those are
Speaker 9: you know, it's a broken window theories that is the
Speaker 9: opening point to when things start to escalate. If we
Speaker 9: don't step in when it's just a noise nuisance, then
Speaker 9: also you get tar break ins and then you get
Speaker 9: to violence. A lot of the situations that I've personally
Speaker 9: been briefed on over the summer, it seems like there
Speaker 9: were these warning signs and red flags that lead to
Speaker 9: the incident ultimately happening, that we were like, oh man,
Speaker 9: who could have seen this coming? Well, the quality of
Speaker 9: life issues certainly gave us a good sign that we
Speaker 9: should intervene earlier.
Speaker 3: In this case.
Speaker 9: In particular, what frustrates me is that as a member
Speaker 9: of Sincinet City Council and I've personally told the city
Speaker 9: manager about my concerns around that bar and that establishment
Speaker 9: and the results, and I warned that this was a
Speaker 9: tragedy that I was worried would happen, and it still
Speaker 9: happened because we didn't step in aggressively enough to make
Speaker 9: sure that it did not happen. I'm not saying the
Speaker 9: bar owner wasn't working with us, but I'm saying that
Speaker 9: I was continually getting complaints and concerns about this corner
Speaker 9: almost every week for the last six months, and yet
Speaker 9: we were going to act like we didn't know that
Speaker 9: this is going to happen. How many more times is
Speaker 9: that is that going to be acceptable?
Speaker 3: When we started the.
Speaker 9: Revitalization of over the Round in downtown, if you look
Speaker 9: at that plan in two thousand and two, one of
Speaker 9: the biggest things they said was zero tolerance on crime.
Speaker 9: And I'm not saying we have to get to that stage,
Speaker 9: but I am saying the quality of life matters, and
Speaker 9: it is an indicator when we start ignoring it or
Speaker 9: not being aggressive enough on that to shut it down,
Speaker 9: it does lead to worse and worse actions and indications.
Speaker 9: We hope that they never get to this stage of violence,
Speaker 9: but as we saw this weekend, it did. Everybody is
Speaker 9: responsible for that, from the city manager to the bar
Speaker 9: owners and the people that are going in and out
Speaker 9: of these establishments. But I personally think that the city
Speaker 9: and I hold the city manager accountable on this. I'm
Speaker 9: furious right now. Need to get serious about this and
Speaker 9: need to say we are not going to tolerate this
Speaker 9: any longer. We are going to get aggressive and we're
Speaker 9: going to get this under control because this cannot continue
Speaker 9: to happen, especially when we have warning signs.
Speaker 1: What has the city in particularly this is mayor aft
Speaker 1: to have peerval ensure along the city manager? Have they
Speaker 1: addressed this shooting Saturday? Here it is Monday morning, have
Speaker 1: they addressed this, se your satisfaction and said anything.
Speaker 9: Well, As I mentioned at the start of this interview,
Speaker 9: I reached out yesterday when it was right when you
Speaker 9: and I were talking about me coming on today, and
Speaker 9: I have not heard anything since then, and I think
Speaker 9: the noise is definite. And I think that's been one
Speaker 9: of the big problems this summer, isn't it is that
Speaker 9: so often we don't have any information on what's going on.
Speaker 9: We know violence happened. Why are we not getting more information?
Speaker 9: And this is the situation. I think I can surmise
Speaker 9: it's because for six months we haven't a lot of
Speaker 9: like we had myself in particular warning about it, but
Speaker 9: so often I mean, every single one of these incidents.
Speaker 9: It's like, just come on, give us some information about
Speaker 9: what's going on here and what we're going to do
Speaker 9: about it and how we can prevent this going forward.
Speaker 9: The silence is incredibly frustrating.
Speaker 1: Council member Sas Walsh on the show this morning, I'll
Speaker 1: pull this back to my opening and what happened in July.
Speaker 1: We have seen now leaked surveillance footage that came out
Speaker 1: on Signal nine and on its a Facebook page or
Speaker 1: they have a website, and this is the video that
Speaker 1: Kip Guy to the assistant Hamilin County prosecutor, talked about
Speaker 1: during the arraignments, and that was that. Well, the victim
Speaker 1: in this case who was you know, the city demanded
Speaker 1: it he be charged. We know that the mayor and
Speaker 1: the city manager have their hands all over this sys
Speaker 1: to why Alex Stravinsky was charged. The white guy in
Speaker 1: this case. We saw the video where he was punching,
Speaker 1: slapping a black man, and the story didn't start there.
Speaker 1: As it turns out, we now have video evidence, conclusive
Speaker 1: video evidence. It shows that he was attacked from behind,
Speaker 1: punched in the back of the head by a man
Speaker 1: who was also charged in this whole thing as well.
Speaker 1: Before he did what he felt he had to do
Speaker 1: was being physically attacked by this They've been sitting on
Speaker 1: the surveillance footage for a long time. It finally got
Speaker 1: leaked out a few days before the election. That right now,
Speaker 1: isn't this cut from the same cloth in that if
Speaker 1: it's something that doesn't fit the narrative or makes us
Speaker 1: look badly, or we'll just simply cover it up. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's been three months af and no one there's nothing
Speaker 1: new in this case. What the hell's taken so long?
Speaker 1: And doesn't it fit into what we're talking about here?
Speaker 1: The lack of an action and transparency on the part
Speaker 1: of the administration.
Speaker 9: Yes, I mean one percent. I don't know why that video.
Speaker 9: I mean it was turned over to the city and
Speaker 9: the prosecutor's office, you know, pretty quickly after the brawl.
Speaker 9: I don't believe there's any delay in official individuals getting
Speaker 9: this video. We released video quickly when there's an oscar
Speaker 9: involved shooting. This was a situation of getting national and
Speaker 9: international attention. Why did we not release it? I asked
Speaker 9: last Monday, I asked somebody if I could see the
Speaker 9: video and I didn't see it till it leased online. Yes,
Speaker 9: this some of this stuff, I think we make way
Speaker 9: harder and more complicated than it needs to be, because
Speaker 9: at this point, three months and everybody's formed their opinion
Speaker 9: based on videos that leaps out before this, and we're
Speaker 9: all digging in our heels on it instead of actually
Speaker 9: having been able to just watch the video in the
Speaker 9: first place. Let's the prosecutor's office run the way it's
Speaker 9: going to run. Whoever gets charged gets charged, and there
Speaker 9: it is, and we can move forward to the city.
Speaker 9: Because the reality is this brawl is a black guy
Speaker 9: in the city. It's something that we need to find
Speaker 9: a way to move on from and move the past.
Speaker 9: Because at the start of this year, Scout, we were
Speaker 9: talking about sun Dance, an international film festival, moving to
Speaker 9: the city of Cincinnati, and we're going to end the
Speaker 9: year talking about this horrible brawl that happened back in July.
Speaker 9: Because we haven't been able to just put it to
Speaker 9: bed and put everything out there and say here it
Speaker 9: is and let's move forward. We as a city need
Speaker 9: to get back to why Cincinnati was on the up,
Speaker 9: why we were so excited about our future, why people
Speaker 9: were moving here. Why we want people coming into our
Speaker 9: downtown and we cannot reclaim that and remind people what's
Speaker 9: so important about this city, and we are continually not
Speaker 9: getting information and all these rumors and speculation is just
Speaker 9: running rampant.
Speaker 1: Just does council need more power?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 1: What probably we have of the well power presses obviously
Speaker 1: the county, But what about the time to release of
Speaker 1: public records and sunlight laws and things like that, especially
Speaker 1: in a high profile case like this that effects of
Speaker 1: public trust? Does what kind of party you have as
Speaker 1: a council person.
Speaker 9: Well, you know, the charter puts us on a really
Speaker 9: weird situation where the council can request things from the
Speaker 9: city administration if you get a majority vote. The city administration,
Speaker 9: you know, is only really forced to do something.
Speaker 3: If it's a law.
Speaker 9: So if it's an ordinance or you know, within the
Speaker 9: municipal code, you know, even in motion, they could theoretically ignore.
Speaker 9: I mean that that was the design of our charter
Speaker 9: back in the nineteen twenty. Yeah, I think that there's
Speaker 9: a fair question that needs to be asked. You know,
Speaker 9: a lot of people blame the mayor for things, but
Speaker 9: he's also very limited in what his scope of powers.
Speaker 9: You know, we have built a very strong administration from
Speaker 9: the city perspective, and I am all for professionals running
Speaker 9: the city. You know, they are definitely smarter than us politicians.
Speaker 9: But at the same time, there needs to be accountability
Speaker 9: and recognition that you are you are working with the public,
Speaker 9: and the public deserves information and answers. And when things
Speaker 9: are happening like the happen this summer, like the Happiness weekend,
Speaker 9: come out and talk about it. And it's okay to
Speaker 9: admit that sometimes we get things wrong. You know, that's
Speaker 9: not the worst thing in the world. We learn and
Speaker 9: we grow, and nobody here is perfect. But it's sure
Speaker 9: hard to have sympathy when I'm finding out the information
Speaker 9: because at least through a Facebook group. I mean, that's
Speaker 9: insane to me, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know that information is going to
Speaker 1: come out on this day and age. You just simply
Speaker 1: can't quash it, you know that at some point, And
Speaker 1: I'm surprised it took this long quite honestly, and obviously
Speaker 1: at the time and with the election very important.
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, and I am I'm disappointed by it, and
Speaker 9: I hope that those involved are learning that we need
Speaker 9: to be proactive in our communication. This week is not
Speaker 9: giving me a lot of confidence on that right now.
Speaker 9: But I mean it's not about the election either, Scott.
Speaker 9: And again that's the way we design our system, right
Speaker 9: the administration is fisted out with any member of council
Speaker 9: or the mayor. And when actions like this are happening,
Speaker 9: because you know, it seems like things are tied to
Speaker 9: the elections, like, that's not why the administration exists. Do
Speaker 9: your job come out, have these communications, get involved when
Speaker 9: we have quality of life issues happening, protect the public,
Speaker 9: make these things the priorities, and make people confident that
Speaker 9: is our priority. And right now, I think we're going
Speaker 9: to price in the confidence mostly because we are not
Speaker 9: communicating about what is going on and we're not being
Speaker 9: aggressive enough when we know the problems exist. These are
Speaker 9: not these are not new problems. These problems have existed
Speaker 9: for hundreds of years and a lot of great leaders
Speaker 9: to figure out ways to solve them. Why are we
Speaker 9: struggling so hard? And it's time for this administration to
Speaker 9: step up to the bat because I'm I'm tired of
Speaker 9: having these conversations Scott. Where we keep saying, like what happened,
Speaker 9: the city needs to step up. They knew the problem
Speaker 9: that was going on with Privy this week. I mean,
Speaker 9: no problems happening with other bars around the city, but
Speaker 9: that are related to quality of life. Step up, get
Speaker 9: aggressive and work with the bar owner, the community, and
Speaker 9: make sure that we start solving these problems now before
Speaker 9: we have another tragedy in the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: That simple.
Speaker 1: Why are you one of maybe two council members that
Speaker 1: are speaking up. There's nine of you seeking re election.
Speaker 1: The majority, the vast majority of council says nothing about this.
Speaker 1: Does that encourage more of the same behavior? If you,
Speaker 1: as a council got together and said, listen, this is
Speaker 1: going to hurt all of us, it hurts our city
Speaker 1: what we're working for. You guys control the purse rings.
Speaker 1: That's how it's set up with the city charters. You
Speaker 1: control the financing. Well, if you control that financing, that
Speaker 1: means you have a huge say in how we police
Speaker 1: and what our policy should be.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I can't speak for my colleagues. Well, I can
Speaker 9: say and try to reframe your question. Here is nothing
Speaker 9: that I am saying today have I not said behind
Speaker 9: closed doors? And you haven't heard it because I actually
Speaker 9: would rather do things behind the closed doors. I'd rather
Speaker 9: we solve the problems. And I think the strategy of
Speaker 9: any good city or elected government is for you to
Speaker 9: never be complaining about an issue and not realize that
Speaker 9: you're not complaining about the issue. Right, So, yeah, we
Speaker 9: want to solve things behind closed doors as much as possible.
Speaker 9: I've just found that, you know, when eventually we get
Speaker 9: to a stage where something like this weekend happens, people
Speaker 9: need to know that this was not a conversation that
Speaker 9: just happened. This has been happening for six months, and
Speaker 9: what happened this weekend was an inevitable outcome when the
Speaker 9: city did not act enough on it. I don't know
Speaker 9: why my other colleagues don't speak out to, you know,
Speaker 9: more aggressively on some of these topics, but I think
Speaker 9: it's probably personal choice on how they do it, and
Speaker 9: I imagine they work behind the scenes on it. I
Speaker 9: would like us as a city to get back to
Speaker 9: the point that you stopped calling me Scott, and I
Speaker 9: would like to be back to the point that you
Speaker 9: guys don't know or care who the mayor or the
Speaker 9: city Council is when we are just a well working
Speaker 9: machine and we're excited about the potential of sundance. We're
Speaker 9: not there right now. Right now, we need accountability and
Speaker 9: we need to be holding out and being the aggressive
Speaker 9: on it in my opinion, and that's my opinion. I'm
Speaker 9: one of nine. That's the way the system has been
Speaker 9: set up. You know, those listening at home, you know
Speaker 9: there is an election tomorrow, and you know, I think
Speaker 9: my colleagues on the City Council are doing a really
Speaker 9: great job, even if they're not necessarily vocal. They are
Speaker 9: doing things behind the scenes to make sure things are
Speaker 9: moving forward. And I think it's important that you, you know,
Speaker 9: reward and vote for those who ultimately, you know, align
Speaker 9: with your values. And you know, in my case, if
Speaker 9: you think speaking out's important, you know, it's important for
Speaker 9: me that you show up to speak out and bout
Speaker 9: box the moth. But if not, you're going to continue
Speaker 9: to get more of the same. Yeah, That's that's what
Speaker 9: it boils down to you. So I think it's a
Speaker 9: personal choice by the voters and they may not luck
Speaker 9: at them all.
Speaker 3: Scott.
Speaker 9: People may hate hearing me talk. So you and I
Speaker 9: can speculate all day long, but we'll find out.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know the snowplow thing you're instrumental in
Speaker 1: getting calling attention to that. We talk about crime now
Speaker 1: in this and calling out the lack of transparency. I
Speaker 1: love the accountability, Seth. I wish there were like seven
Speaker 1: or six or seven more folks like you on council
Speaker 1: willing to actually speak out against the mayor in the administration.
Speaker 1: But when you don't, then you just encourage more of
Speaker 1: that and sadly it may cost someone their seat. As
Speaker 1: you said, I think I have to have safe for sure,
Speaker 1: but we'll find out tomorrow. At some point this could
Speaker 1: be worse, Seth. You could be in charge of fixing
Speaker 1: the Bengals. So this is seemingly a much much more
Speaker 1: a drugs. Hey, good luck tomorrow, buddy, all the best
Speaker 1: and uh, we'll find out what happens tomorrow. Hope you
Speaker 1: get your seatback.
Speaker 9: I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, thank you, good luck tomorrow. By the way, Seth,
Speaker 1: what does that say about city leadership when even the
Speaker 1: council people are in the dark of what's happening. Gun's
Speaker 1: lane and bushes are laying the grass across from a
Speaker 1: shooting hours later. It's just intolerable. The videos on my
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