WEBVTT - 11-3-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.720 Doant to be an American's plony here on seven hundred 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:08.719 ww absolutely incredible weekend here in the city, and it 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.160 ain't good. We've got the huge Bengals loss to chop 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:14.239 up James Rapine in about a half hour. Normally he's 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:16.360 on like eleven thirty five. He's going to be on 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:19.599 earlier this morning, because you know, you'd anticipate with the loss, 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:22.320 this historic, this bad and back to back weeks, heads 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.680 would roll. Of course, this is Cincinnati. You could be really, 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:27.800 really bad and still have years and years or years 0:00:27.840 --> 0:00:29.600 of grace. That's how we do things. But we also 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.600 have more troubling news than that, because it's literally life 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.360 and death and another bad and bloody weekend in the city. 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.320 On Friday, video of the July brawl leaked out, confirming 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.640 what Kip guynan assistant prosecutor, said in quarter a while 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:45.479 back when arraignments were being made that the victim of 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.320 this case, el Chinowski, he was attacked. He was the victim, 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:51.479 showed him attack from behind, and the one man arrested 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.040 prior to him slapping someone. So we now have the 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:57.680 evidence leaking out days before the election, and tomorrow being 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.560 election day, Saturday, four people shout outs the night club 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.920 and OTR are at one o'clock in the morning, and then 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.440 about a half hour later, multiple people shot at Carthage 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:08.560 and Carthage at sixty ninth and Vine. I believe three 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.319 shot and another killed. Seven people shot, one dead this 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:15.240 weekend at Cincinnati, and voters will head to the polls 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.640 tomorrow to decide what kind of leadership, if any, they want. 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.840 One of the people seeking your voters council member, hopefully 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.240 elect Chris Smithman of the show on seven hundred WW 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.120 has been very vocal about this, and Chris, this has 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.800 been a horrible weekend in what feels like a steady, 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:36.559 ongoing drumbeat of horrible news in our town here in Cincinnati. Welcome, Hey, 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:37.720 Thanks Sloanly. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.040 It was a tough weekend, and I think you're right. 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.560 We've had a lot of tough weekends. And the problem 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:49.520 has been from my perspective, is that this council collectively 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.000 and the mayor and the administration have just taken their 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.520 eye off the ball. And this is what happens when 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:58.600 you say you want to defund the police or you 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:03.920 want to reimagine them, and when you allow attrition to 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.880 have us two hundred officers down and expect our cops 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:10.720 to do their job when you're telling them, don't do 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.320 proactive policing. And it's not like Sloan, you and I 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.120 don't agree with community based policing. I mean it all 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:20.400 comes back to training, training, training. We have the best 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:24.160 training in the state of Ohio. I mean, Columbus will 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.480 say they have a great training. We have a great 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.600 training here for our cops. But we got to let 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.959 our cops do their job and we've got to back 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.280 them up Sloan when they do it. And we know 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:38.679 that there's a racial undertone to this conversation that we've 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.120 got to be willing to have. And so we know 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:45.400 that when our white young officers approach a young African 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:49.400 American male in the Dora or on the banks, and 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:52.120 they're thirteen or fifteen years old, it's two o'clock in 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:56.680 the morning, why aren't our officers given the power to 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.160 ask that young person, why are you breaking curfew? And 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.200 what are you doing? And we know that if they 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.880 have a firearm, that it's like oil and water. Now 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.560 you've got a cop in a situation with a young 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:12.320 African American with a gun that might end up in 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:16.560 a tragic situation. Whether we have the elected to turn 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.080 their back on that cop that then scares all police 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:23.280 officers to go, wow, I don't want my life destroyed. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.240 And I'm going to end by saying, on this little 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:27.640 piece with you, Sloan, we saw it happen. We had 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:32.400 a young African American male in a stolen car running 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:37.680 with a firearm that tragically right, My condolences to the family, 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:42.040 but the but the officer made the right decision, and 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.400 we have a young person who lost his lost his life. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.760 The next day, the father takes his car and kills 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:54.240 the sheriff who's there, you know, doing traffic, who's retired, 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:59.080 has has children that he's adopting. Right during the UC graduation, 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.760 what happened slowly, You heard nothing from the nine members 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.840 of council. You heard no denouncement of it. You didn't 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:09.400 hear anything from the mayor, no denouncemit of it. And 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.200 then we got to go fund me account for the killer, 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.120 saying let's give him money, and then people saying I 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.720 for an eye and tooth for tooth, with no no 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:21.480 response from the. 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:25.280 Nothing, no one talking about that. And on Friday, Chris 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:29.279 Chris Smithman, the footage leaked out. Finally, it's been three 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.640 months since the July brawl. Uh, the surveillance would have 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.960 comes out at basketball kick geyin and said, you clearly 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:37.880 see there's a blackmail striking the white guy in the 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:39.920 back of the head. And of course the viral moment 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.480 was picked up when he turned and started slapping someone 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.599 four or ten retaliation. We heard that they were harassed. 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:50.040 Racial epitats were thrown at them. It was intolerable, the racism. 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.120 But it only goes one way in Cincinnati, and that 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.320 can only be that blacks are the victim of racism. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.599 There's no comments whatsoever. They sat on this thing. Finally 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.560 it leaks out a couple of days before the election, 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:03.200 and that's politics, I suppose, But the fact of the matter, 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.240 it wasn't released through the proper public records requests, and 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.240 when you have something like this, it's going to leak out. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.279 The days of sitting on something are gone. I'm surprised 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.520 it's taken this long. The issue here, though, is what 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:19.159 is the city's policy regarding public safety, the footage and 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.120 transparency with taxpayers, because you feel there is none unless 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:24.279 it fits a particular preconceived narrative. 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.040 You and I know that if the roles were reversed 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:33.279 and there were five African Americans being beat in the 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.280 middle of our downtown, there would have been a different 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:39.720 response naturally based on what happened, and people wouldn't be 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.320 sitting around in this council and this mayor would have 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.800 had a completely different response. That's number one. Number two, 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.880 we also know that the mayor and the members of 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:54.280 council should have requested to take If I was the 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.039 vice mayor, I served, I was chair of law in 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.680 public safety, all you have to do is go to 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.400 that investigator, and the investigators were signaling, listen, we shouldn't 0:06:03.440 --> 0:06:06.120 press charges, which is a part of this conversation because 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.120 you have members of council hold press conferences and say what, 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.440 I got one in the chamber. You got forty eight 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:16.159 hours to respond, and you better arrest somebody white. Well, 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.640 guess what, there's a captain out there who signed off 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:22.440 on something. They arrested somebody white. That person now has 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.920 a lawyer. You know that the charges are going to 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.960 be dropped in December after the election, and you know 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.000 that that person's gonna sue because you called him a 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.080 racist and you've tried to destroy his life. But guess 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.000 what you got, Council Member Parks, you said they deserve 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:42.080 to get the men she saw on council and Holly 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:44.880 who somebody. You know, when I saw the video Slown, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.599 I thought she was dead. That's there's no question, the 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:51.080 way she was punched so violently. My point to you 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:55.440 and everybody listening, Look, this shows you that we could 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:59.720 have had some type of racial explosion in our downtown 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.080 Bay from the conduct of the nine members of council 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.640 and the mayor. Here's what I think happened. I think 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.960 that they saw the video, they knew what was happening, 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.880 and they were pushing to the speculation they're pushing the election, 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.480 trying to divide us racially, so they wanted the energy 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.840 in the African American community, the Democrats to go take 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.080 sample ballots, believing that they were harmed, that they were 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.240 victims in some kind of way, and the reality was 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.000 that the people who are the real victims are the 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.440 white citizens who were down there who got the hell 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.040 beat out of them for nothing. 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:39.080 Christopher Schmitherman, who's running we'll find out tomorrow or tomorrow 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.280 night if indid he winds up getting a council seat. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:44.160 We were all outrage at what transpired to what happened 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.680 in Lincoln Heights, relative to the neo Nazis who were 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.600 protesting on the overpass, how the situation was handled, how 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:54.800 the audacity and the thoughts of the people who are 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.280 doing the protesting the Nazis, we collected, we're all outraged 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.840 about this, and yet we should be outrage about this 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.000 to the same level, to the same degree because of 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.520 what happened. Racism shouldn't be tolerated. But sadly there's an 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.560 asterisk there. It feels like it's tolerated when it's a 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:13.480 block on white but not so much when it's white 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:14.120 on black. 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.640 TONI I think we should be more outraged. I think 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.200 it's worse, and I'll explain why I think it's worse. 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.680 First of all, I denounced what happened in Lincoln Heights. 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.640 You know, my family is from the South. My grandfathers 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:32.400 understood the clan. They were dicticrat, they were democrat and 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.120 they were down there trying to stop African Americans from 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.640 voting in the South. And thank god we had the 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.640 North and the South and lost hundreds of thousands of 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.800 our Americans who fought in one of the bloodiest civil 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:47.440 wars ever in our history, and that ultimately freed us 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.199 through the President Lincoln and all that history. But at 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:54.320 the end of the day, we had the mayor, we 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.680 had the members of council, we had the city manager, 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:02.319 we had the city solicitor's office, all complicit in hiding 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:06.040 this video that came from three CDC. That's very different 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.720 than the average citizen walking around who's acting like a fool, 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.839 saying they're a skin head and going out and engaging 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:16.120 in domestic terrorism. And I announced it, and I think 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.360 it's horrible, but we can't look around that. We had 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.160 a mayor and members of council who had to have 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:26.680 known that the entirety of that video existed, with the 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:29.640 cameras right there looking at it, to say, let's bring 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.360 the video in and see what happened. Clearly, there was 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.560 an African American man who punched that man in the 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.079 back of his head. And most people, Sloany, who are 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.400 listening to you and I talk right now, they haven't 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:44.280 even seen the video because CNN and places like Fox 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.360 and all those they haven't gone back and taken the 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.920 video and said, whoa, let's correct the record. This is 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.760 actually what happened, and that is why this young this 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.040 person who was beat up, who now the city councilor 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.079 and the city solicitor said hey, go and arrest him. 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:00.239 And I actually believe this is one of the reasons 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:04.640 that Fiji is being terminated because she wasn't playing with 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.840 this manager and playing with this mayor. Remember she refused 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.720 to sign off on the arrest warrant. The captain who 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.280 is now the chief signed off on it. Yes, I 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.400 have no idea where this is going to go, but 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.520 the reality of it is something happened that should not 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:22.000 have happened. We start playing politics with the law, and 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.679 the mayor and council are absolutely complicit in this. 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.040 And it goes deeper than that. This is kind of 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:29.199 a little of a side that Kevin Farmer, this is 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.200 a guy got arrested over the weekend and Rosemary Oglesby 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.959 Henry is a congressional candidate both black Kevin and I 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:36.880 don't know what their relationship was, but he was talking 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:40.640 or going to anyway. This is a while ago. To 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:44.360 illustrate what you're saying is and he's campaigning, he wants 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.880 to run or was running anyway for the same seat 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.760 that you want. Christopher Smithman, and he accused, and this 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.080 is about a month ago, made no news whatsoever, accused 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:55.199 black women of routinely making false allegations of violence against 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.680 black men, saying we have to worry about white America 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:01.080 and we have to worry about black women. I's other comment. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.959 The naac responded and defended black women. Not a word 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.600 was said about the the the avert racism, the direct racism, 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.839 the part of a council candidate saying we've got to 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.280 worry about white people. White people are the problem, white 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.720 people are the danger. No one called them out on that. 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.720 The NAACP didn't, and certainly the reverence like Damon Lynch 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.600 the third kind of backed up with the NAACP heads. 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:24.280 Wait a minute, you can you can go after and 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.800 classify white people as the enemy is evil and that's 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:28.560 why you've got to vote for me, because we've got 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.400 to destroy white America from the city of Cincinnati, and 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.640 no one said anything about this, didn't even make news. 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.079 Look, my father used to say to us at home, 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:42.840 every white person isn't your enemy, and every black person 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.200 is at your friend, correct, And so we're so we're 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:51.800 sol bathing in the in this racial component in our society. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:55.920 And I believe that you and I and we've got 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.439 to have these public conversations to show that we can 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.719 have these conversations and be close friends. That's part of 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.960 the problem. Number two. I send my my prayers out 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.719 to Kevin Farmer and and and and his significant other 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.640 or his friend, whatever's going on. I have no idea 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.679 of the fact pattern there, but I send my deepens, 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.719 my respect and and I hope that this whole thing 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:21.760 is sorted out. But at the end of the day, 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.680 this is very different. When you have a city manager 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.520 who's probably making over three hundred thousand dollars a year. 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.560 You've got a mayor right who clearly wants to be 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:35.960 the governor or something else, disinterested in our city making 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:40.520 six figures. You've got a council collectively that all of 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.480 them had access to this video, all of them did, 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.360 and what did they do with it? They came and 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:50.000 held press conferences and said, hey, we're gonna do nothing. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:52.240 And let me also before we before I get too 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.439 far away from this, I don't want to I don't 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:58.080 want to miss that. We had Cassandra win, a mother 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:01.080 of five in OTR who was shot in the back, 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.160 and we still don't know who killed her. And so 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:08.040 Ronda Wynn, who I have had communications with the mother, 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:12.920 is very she's grieving because we do not have the killer. 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.680 We have a picture of somebody who shot as she 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:20.320 tells me thirty times, right where where are the African 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:25.760 American leaders calling and working with us to find who 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:30.160 killed Cassandra wyn We are silent on these issues. We've 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:31.600 got to put a voice to him. And then I 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.040 want to say, for Sarah Herringer and her husband Patrick, 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:38.640 who would ever believe that we would have somebody who 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.040 had some type of electronic device on their ankle who 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:46.480 took it off. Sloane who's walking around our city. No 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.920 one seems to know where the hell he is. He 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.520 shows up on Sarah's front door, on Patrick's store and 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:56.520 kills Patrick. This is a guy who did two tours. 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.280 And guess what our mayor, during a debate or that 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.280 press conference, was asked, how you reached out to these victims. 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.320 I don't have time to do that. I don't do that. 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.720 I don't reach out to the victims I'm saying to 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:11.200 everybody listening. And I said this before. I went to 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.280 the School for Creative and Performing Arts and one of 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.640 the plays we did was the Wig. Let me tell 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.920 you something. This guy reminds me of the Scarecrow without 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.840 a brain. He reminds me of the Lion without courage. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.720 He reminds me of the ten Man without a Heart, 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.920 all the trilogy all together, and he is actually the 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.000 Wizard of Awe. He's out there playing like he knows 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.480 what he's doing, and he doesn't. And the problem is 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.360 we're dealing with people's lives slowly. This is one of 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.120 the most consequential elections in my life time. 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.720 I bring this all together, the thing with Farmer and this, 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.400 and the fact of the matter is, just like it, 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.600 racism only works one and that's not true. I don't 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:48.920 think that's bringing the city together. I think that's it's 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:52.200 petty and it's vindictive. It's the visive and you're not 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.680 elevating people. You see it. You have your worldview, you're 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.840 not changing your mind. On the other hand, we had 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:59.800 the shooting over the weekend with seven people shot in 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.880 two different shooting. Well, I guess three if you count 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.320 to Carthage in two different spots, but the one and 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.920 over the line in particular, it's Halloween. People are out reveling, 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.680 having a good time partying, and then gunshots ring out 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.640 about one o'clock in the morning. I'm told that there 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.320 have been multiple calls to this bar. This particular bar 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.520 has been a problem for months now, and again we're 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:21.640 back to that issue where the governor is going to 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:23.560 send in some help with liquor control and all that 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:25.720 and shut out the bad actors. We talked about hookah 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.760 lounges and stuff like that. We got these clubs that 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:30.120 are open till, you know, three four o'clock in the morning, 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:31.680 doing what you want to do. But the food trucks, 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.600 of course, are the problem. I got to shut those 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.720 down because someone getting a hot dog is the criminal, 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.960 not the people are who are selling after hours. But 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:40.880 I don't know if that's the case with this bar 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:42.560 and over the Rhine, but I'm told that there have 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.200 been multiple service calls and multiple concerns about the people 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.440 that were in and around this particular establishment. If you 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:51.760 turn a blind eye towards that, and let's just say 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:55.080 that the owners of this club, the privy that I 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.080 understand they had a couple of armed security guards. They 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.040 were wanding people when they came in, make sure they 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:00.840 have anything on them. I don't know how much more 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.720 as a business owner you can do. But what about 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.000 the fact that you have multiple calls of service there 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.120 and it's been a problem, and yet you could kind 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.280 of see that this something like this might happen. This 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.720 is preventable if the city would have been stricter and 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:17.440 tougher enforcement and policing. Correct, that would be correct. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.160 And what I will say to you is that I 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:23.480 don't know the fact patterns behind this particular establishment, but 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.520 if elected, I certainly would find out what those fact 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.120 patterns are. And the way you do this is you 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.760 go through Law and public safety. We have a Chair 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.960 of Law and Public Safety, which is council member Scottie Johnson, 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.880 and you have a hearing where you bring the owners 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.440 in of the establishment and you begin to ask them questions, 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.840 and you make sure that the police department in this 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.560 establishment has some type of plan in writing to deal 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.240 with the issue, and if it's not dealt with, then 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.720 you deal with the establishment. So I don't know why 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:57.400 there hasn't been a public hearing about it right. For example, 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.280 I don't know why there hasn't been a public hearing 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:03.000 about the terminator the fire chief, or or public hearing 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.960 about the determination of the police chief. Meaning these things 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.800 are happening and you can't find a council member with 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.320 a search warrant. I don't know if they come and 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:14.879 give you interviews, but I want you to share with you. 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:20.240 Normal protocol in these situations is for your elected officials 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:24.080 to come on the air like this and have public conversations. 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.399 That's what we do. And for whatever reason, this council 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.840 is hiding behind a sample ballot. They're just wanting people 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.320 to vote for them blindly vote here's the sample ballot. 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:40.640 And if we do that tomorrow, elections have consequences. That's 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:41.360 what we will get. 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:45.560 The same probab. I think there's gonna be counsel people 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.840 that pay the price. And again, Chris, simath them and 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:51.560 watch your vote tomorrow, always saying a mouthful, but you 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.360 know you need somebody in there, quite honestly to interpret 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.720 that to enforce Yeah, you got you have no choice 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:58.560 at this point. All the best, I gotta get going. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.880 Good luck tomorrow, Chris, All the best to you, all right, 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.720 take care. Yeah, there you go, so vote your conscience. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:05.840 But you know, if you want more of the same, 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.080 keep doing more the same. We got to get to news. 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.360 We've got other bad news for you. How about the Bengals. 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.399 Rappeaan is here a little bit earlier this morning to 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:16.480 talk about the historic loss and the question who is 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.560 going to have their head placed on a stick this morning? 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.560 Someone has to be sacrificed on the altar of professional sports. Well, 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:26.000 the Bengals, pull the trigger and fire someone, make someone accountable. 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.119 We've talked to him next about it on the Scott's 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.840 Loan Show seven hundred Wow. Dark days indeed in our city. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.479 At Scott's Sloan Show seven hundred Wow. Wish we had 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.560 better news to start this gloomy time, change moneyday for you, 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.280 But you know, we had seven people shot in two 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:43.639 different occurrences yesterday, one at OTR. Lots to talk about 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.280 that with Chris Smitheman and council member Seth Walsh coming 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.360 up on the show this morning. Of course, the other 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.960 news happening is our Cincinnati Bengals, which is a lot 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:56.040 lighter than bloodshed, violence and murder, but still pretty bloody 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:57.720 in a different way on the field yesterday is the 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:01.800 Bears beat the Bengals forty seven forty two as the 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:03.919 Bengals head the limping to the bye of three and 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.960 six now and you can almost kiss those playoff chances 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:10.399 good bye. Cincinnati's worst rank defense did it again. You 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.040 didn't think they could do it back to back weeks 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:14.920 To tell you that it's pretty damn impressive to watch 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.879 them fail. They come up with new ways to fail. 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:20.800 As you know, Cincinnati is in the cellar now and 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:22.960 look it up and it's not good. James Rapeene here 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.199 with SI Bengals Talk dot com Lockdown Bengals Podcast. James, 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.240 how do you top the worst loss of the Zach 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.040 Taylor era with an even more historic loss yesterday? I 0:19:32.040 --> 0:19:33.160 didn't think that was possible. 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:36.000 Yeah, I h. 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.680 You're right, I agree, Scott, And honestly I thought after 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.920 what happened last week that when they were rallying, I 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.919 literally thought, oh, well, this is the football guys paying 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.439 them back, saying you know what, you guys should have 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.679 won last week, you didn't, We're gonna make sure you 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.040 win this week. You get an on side kick after 0:19:56.119 --> 0:20:00.680 scoring his knees down on the interception, would have put 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:02.879 them up three scores. Like all these things happen in 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:05.320 the final few minutes of this game. It gives the 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:06.560 Bengals a chance. 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.639 And they take advantage of it and they take the lead. 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:11.000 It's just there. 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.320 Happening to be forty nine seconds left and we know 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.000 that that's far too much time for this Bengals defense. 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.040 That is I really, I'm not sure that you could 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.480 tackle anyone listening right, Yeah, Yeah, it's embarrassing how bad 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:21.760 it was. 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:23.919 I have never seen like, literally, you screwed up a 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.160 story book. And it's not in the script, and it's 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.679 no Hollywood script, which are that you you score a touchdown. Uh, 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:31.560 if you get the you recover the ball kicking on 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.840 side of recovered, you go ahead and the final two 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.479 minutes of the game, and right there that should be it. 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.560 That's that's how it always ends. If you recover and score, 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.080 it's over. You win. There's no way you lose that game. 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.399 You screwed up the fairy tale ending. And yet the 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.479 Bengals did that by a long klea Williams to hit 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:49.240 Colston Loveline on the fifty y fifty air touchdown with 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.160 two guys at least two guys missing tackles. 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:59.840 Yeah, just tackle tackle. The funny thing is is on 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:04.160 podcast after the game as talking about different things. 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:05.320 And I'm like, you know what's funny. 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:07.160 No one's talking about them actually giving up a twenty 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:09.119 four yard to the rookie tight end. 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:11.640 It's that they didn't bring him down after they gave 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:12.200 up the play. 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:15.399 Like the bar is so low. We're not even talking 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:17.480 about the fact that you gave up the pass that 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.760 put them in field goal range. It's just all right, 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:21.280 if you're going to give that up, can you bring 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:27.040 him down? And I truly don't understand. And since the game, 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:30.399 I've reached out to some coaches in different personnel just 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:35.640 to see, like, all right, hey, coaching, why it's supposed 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:36.960 to do here? What are you supposed to do with this? 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.840 And I know the Bengals do work tackle and at 0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:43.639 some point the players just have to tackle, you know. 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.040 It's like it's like a receiver has to catch the ball, 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:50.040 like you can do so much. And I think that's 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:54.480 kind of where things are now. I'm stunned that they 0:21:55.080 --> 0:21:57.800 continue to have this issue at the level that they're 0:21:57.840 --> 0:21:59.960 having this issue. I get it once in a while, 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:03.560 really good players, but game on the line, chance for 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:06.360 a storybook ending that should have been cold to level 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:08.639 and getting hit by five guys and people ripping at 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:11.159 the ball and him going down the moment he catches it. 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:14.080 That Like I said, we joked last week about them 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.240 throwing hipchecks. I mean, it looks like they're playing hockey 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.280 not football. As they came into the game, the Bengals 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:21.040 did ninety four mistackles six hundred and forty five yards 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:22.879 total in the league, which is by farther wors than 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:26.040 the league yesterday missed fifteen tackles for another one thirty three, 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:29.040 So they're at eight hundred just about eight hundred yards 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:32.840 and allow and mistackles allowed extra yards from that initial contact. 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:36.040 It hasn't been acceptable all season. And as we've talked 0:22:36.040 --> 0:22:39.520 about you, that's drafting, that's getting in the talent that 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:41.399 by this level you should be able to tackle, and 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:43.879 you're not doing it in my opinion. So the million 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:46.920 dollar question is in the other thirty one franchises out there, 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:48.639 this would be terminal for a head coach or at 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:51.280 least someone. The reason I'm having James repeating a little 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:53.919 early this morning normally here at eleven thirty as we 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:56.199 head in to lunchtime, are that it feels like it's 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.160 hit critical mass at this point. Two back to back 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.440 historic law is you've got the buy. I imagine I'll 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.879 lose in the off week somehow, I'm not quite sure. 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:07.840 When Zach Taylor is running out of words, he says, 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.000 it's sick to lose like that. I feel sick right now. 0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:12.359 That means you have no answers. Heads have to roll. 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:14.960 You were in the locker room afterwards after the loss. 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:16.640 How does that compare to last week's collapse? 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:21.879 Yeah, I think, Oh, I mean it's a good point. 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:26.679 Less guys were willing to talk, and I think that defensively, 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:29.680 we certainly heard from less guys. I know when we 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:33.000 put up our videos and our audio in Cincinnati Bengals, 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:35.680 talking was that way, you know on YouTube it was 0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:40.000 a lot of offensive guys. And look, you're right, I mean, 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.280 it's it does feel that way that that a move 0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:44.040 is possible. 0:23:44.800 --> 0:23:47.920 You're also right that it an issue. There's no doubt. 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:51.040 Someone has to lose their job here. I mean, there's 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.480 no room for debate. Is that when you have guys? 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:56.600 This is from Mike Protaglia said that a bunch of 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:58.600 guys who were in on that player in the defense 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:02.840 were part of the problem, not the solution. Wouldn't speak 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.520 after the game somewhere laughing and saying, hey see on Monday, 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:07.639 there's no accountability there. Then you see guys like t 0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:12.160 and Chase and and you know, they're frustrated, they're angry, 0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:15.199 they're they're bad mouthing the defense. Now it's on rabbits 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:16.440 got to be on the reason. I asked you about 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:18.360 the locker room, and it feels like from the reports 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:20.359 it's been unraveling for a while. 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:25.560 Yeah, well, it's easy for that to happen when you 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:28.520 have two units growing in different directions and you have Jamar, 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:36.119 Jamar fighting every inkling that he has, you know, you know, 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:39.120 I mean he quietly had one hundred and eleven yard yesterday. 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:41.280 I thought that was a very quiet Jamar game. And 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:42.480 you look up and he's got. 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:45.359 He's got a hundred guard. He jings obviously made a 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:48.880 bunch of plays. And we talked to Jamar after and 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:51.159 he's saying like three and four words and it's like 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:53.760 we're torturing him, and I don't want to torture Jamar. 0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:56.320 After the game, that's not my goal. But guess what, 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:59.119 he's a leader and people care what he says. People 0:24:59.119 --> 0:25:00.800 want to know what he thinks. And you know what 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:04.679 he thinks. He thinks that the defense sucks and that 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:07.280 they need to do their job a little bit. And 0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:10.840 he hasn't said that, but I know that's what he's thinking, 0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:14.840 and he was. He was caught on camera when he 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:18.160 was walking in the locker room saying, just one bleeping stop, right, 0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:22.280 and that's what everybody's thinking. Chase Brown said, We'll just 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:27.960 finish the game. And it is that simple like and 0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:31.040 sometimes those things are a simple thing can be hard 0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:36.080 to carry out and execute and much more easier said 0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:40.000 than done. But they have to find a way in 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:43.920 those situations to get that turnover and get that stock. 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:46.320 I mean, they had him on third downright in Caleb 0:25:46.359 --> 0:25:49.080 Williams runs for fourteen yards and then the very next 0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.080 play is a coastal levelin fifty eight yards. 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:54.800 So it's this locker room. 0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:59.119 It felt like it was starting to bend before the 0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:02.360 Joe Blackoch, Yeah, because things. 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.000 Are just spial spiraling out of control. 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:05.879 It almost in the other way where the offense was 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:10.520 just so non functional. They trade for Joe Flacco, and 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.760 it's completely flipped the other way, where the defense has 0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.880 showed us who they are, the offense has figured it out, 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:19.600 and who the defense is very well could be the 0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:22.280 worst defense in NFL history. That is not me being 0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:25.520 not me exaggerating. When you look at the numbers, they're 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:28.080 they're very much in that conversation. 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:31.000 James Rapine from si Bengals Talk dot com Lockdown begels 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:34.240 and talking about what would feel like the inevitable inevitable 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:36.280 in any other NFL city, and that is what is 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:38.920 going to happen with the head coach and in this case, uh, 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:41.880 maybe Duke Tobin, the guy who essentially gets the players 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:44.639 for us, And uh, you know, if if you're bringing 0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:46.439 guys in and ain't getting it done, I don't know 0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.000 how that's that much on Zach Taylor and the schemes defensively, 0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.520 because we've got two guys, two minds working on that. 0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:53.800 If you can't tackle, you can't show up, you can't 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:57.080 play your position. That feels more like a front office 0:26:57.119 --> 0:26:59.520 issue in Duke Tobin. And yet there's a guy who's 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:02.520 never come I don't think the average person, myself included, 0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:05.160 could pick Duke Tobin out of a lineup to show 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:07.640 you the lack of accountability there. It's always Zach Taylor 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:09.520 has to be the guy speaking for him. That's not 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:12.560 fair on coach and I don't think it's fair quite 0:27:12.560 --> 0:27:13.600 honestly for the fan base. 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:18.640 Totally agree, totally agree. But believe me, I would love 0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:23.359 love to hear from Duke always and uh that that 0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:26.840 is not something that we would ever turn down as media. 0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:29.920 I promise you, no, no, I promise you we would 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:30.880 love to hear from Duke today. 0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:33.960 Are accountable. They show up, they answer questions, they do 0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:37.280 things public appear. This guy, uh you know, talk about 0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:39.119 the man men behind the curtain, right, he's like it 0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.960 feels like he's protected like a mafia don or something 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:45.080 like that. He's surrounded by goons. 0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:48.520 Right, Hey, if those good if those goods can tackle, 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:50.639 you give him on you get those guys on the field. 0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:54.720 That's what horrific. It is horrific down there. And you 0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:56.879 know the other part of the frustration is Bengal season 0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:59.400 ticket windows open it up and you know, we got 0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:01.560 news next the ticket prices are going up. I know 0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:03.080 a lot of people and if you look at social 0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:04.720 I don't know how accurate that is or not. Could 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:07.400 be Russian bots. But if you look at the investment 0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:09.399 you're asked to make and spend more money on a 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:12.800 team this bad, how's that? And that is really the 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:14.760 only thing that's going to cause heads to roll, right 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:18.320 is typically the family looks at the bottom line, and 0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.080 if people are unhappy and there's a revolt, as we 0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:24.680 saw with Marvin Lewis, it might cause Zach Taylor's job, 0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:26.520 but it probably shouldn't be him. It should be Duke Tobin. 0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:32.800 I I agree with you on the surface, right I 0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:36.159 you know I'm not, But there's so much context that 0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:38.640 goes into our should this gubby fire? Should this guy 0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:41.240 or that? Or what should you do? How should you 0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:44.560 fix that? Here's what I would say, they failed at 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:48.600 building this defense top So who had. 0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.800 A hand in what? Who was the one stopping on 0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:51.640 the table for who? 0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.960 During the draft when they made draft picks that I 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.240 got to be honest, when you look at who they 0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:01.080 could have had in like consensus and rankings and just 0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.240 like the general draft stuff. And I love the draft, 0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:08.600 they went down the pass that was as risky as 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:12.760 any that you could have and they went down a 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.640 path with guys that probably weren't considered plug and play 0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.720 type players really throughout the draft, even if they are 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:20.560 good dudes and work hard and all of those things 0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:23.160 and so very very much risk. 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.080 They're taking a lot of risk with that. 0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:28.000 And when you combine that with a poor free agency, 0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:30.040 all right, well, why were they for free agent? Is 0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:33.240 it Duke's faulted that the ownership's faulted it the coaches 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:34.520 saying they didn't like the free agent? 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:36.840 I don't know. And so that's why I'm not just 0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:38.760 saying Duke, I'm I'm not trying to. 0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:40.600 Hate for him. 0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:42.400 I'm just trying to get contact. I don't know who 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:46.200 made these decisions, but whoever did and who ever said 0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:48.120 no when I'm sure someone in the building was like 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.320 me and like, hey, can you add talent? Can you 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:51.960 go get this guy or that guy or this guy 0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:56.480 or that whoever that is certainly deserves to be hard, nototiced, 0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:58.360 because that's why they're in this position. 0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:00.480 I mean, they should be Scott fi for. 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.080 Winners of three straight three and one with Joe Flacco, 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:06.680 second place in the AFC, worth with a real chance 0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:09.520 to battle the Steelers in two weeks for first place 0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:10.480 in the division. 0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:13.640 That's where they should be and they're not there, and. 0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:16.400 So they really need to look hard in the mirror 0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:20.560 and figure out why they failed for multiple years building 0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:21.120 the defense. 0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:23.760 But certainly this offseason going into this year. 0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:26.520 If you're asking people to buy the product and that 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:29.160 is on field, that's the merchandise, that's the season two, 0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:33.280 that's all that thing. Isn't it fair then to say, well, 0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:34.880 you know, we saw the ACTIVI of the offense is 0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:37.520 doing fine. It's the defense it's been a problem. You're 0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:39.959 in your second coordinator, the results are getting worse. At 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:42.560 what point is it fair to question those people who 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:44.440 are bringing the talent to Cincinnati? And that would be 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:48.000 Tooke Tobin and people in that front office. If you're 0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:51.880 asking people to support this team and continue to turn 0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.120 out to support the Bengals, is it not fair that 0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:56.600 there's some accountability and some questions answered on the part 0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:58.600 of the people who have been silent for years. 0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:01.840 Yeah, it's not a big Drea, It's not a big ask. 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:05.000 Totally agree, Totally agree. They stunk in the draft. 0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:09.200 Like I said, I think I follow the draft and 0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:12.360 try to fuck and cover the draft in a way 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:15.560 that is unique to anyone in Cincinnati, and that covers 0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:18.680 the Bengals and do it as extensively as I can. 0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:22.240 And they have been so bad. 0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:25.959 At drafting compared to what they could have had, and 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:30.720 a lot of it isn't kindsight. Like I've said, fans 0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:33.160 are smarter than ever, media members can be smarter than 0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:34.720 ever when it comes to the draft because there's so 0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.800 much info and there is so much info you can get, 0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:39.560 and so by draft day, I feel like I know 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:41.960 the first three rounds like the back of my hand. 0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:44.360 And for them to end up with what they had 0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:46.520 and they ended up with versus what they could have 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.120 had just this year, I mean this is a multi 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:51.960 year problem, but just this year. I mean they've invested 0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:54.880 so many picks. Three of their first of their last 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:59.960 four first rounders Scott have been defensive players to pass rush, 0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.560 a safety, and now corner like. They've invested two second 0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:06.800 round picks in corners. They invested two picks this year 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.560 in mine back like they've invested in the defense, and 0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:13.160 they're either poor picks they can't develop them, or a 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:18.840 mixture of both. And firing Lou clearly didn't worse. 0:32:19.040 --> 0:32:21.720 Arguably, I mean, it's uh, you know, a loss is 0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:23.720 still a loss. And I look at this, I think 0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:25.840 many Bengals fans do, and you throw your hands up 0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:27.880 in apathy, going, we're this close to the super bowling 0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.720 a couple of years ago and now this something's got 0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:32.440 to change. And quite obviously going to the bye week, 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:34.760 I think the silence down there by not doing it, 0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:38.880 doing something and addressing this is really hurt because I 0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:40.520 mean the players go their separate ways to the bye 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:42.760 week for a little while anyway, doesn't that just bring 0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:44.600 more animosity when they come back. It's gonna make it 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:46.440 worse because you're going to steal on that through the 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:47.520 time off you had. 0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:48.800 Sure will. 0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:52.040 You know, if you're an offensive player, you're going to 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:54.040 see your family during the bye You're probably going to 0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:56.920 go home or your hometown and guess what, your your 0:32:56.920 --> 0:33:00.240 buddies at the hole in the wall bar a man 0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:04.760 that defense, Oh my god, I don't. 0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:08.960 In on defense. They're gonna make faces and like, oh 0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:10.320 that's a tough one, huh. 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:14.280 Like you know, like, yeah, it's gonna be therapeutic. You're 0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.480 gonna come back and be pissed more pissed off, probably 0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:19.400 because you're in your own head about it real quick, James. 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:22.040 The odds that something happens today, never say never, but 0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:24.080 are we going to see something? There's got to be 0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:26.360 some sort of symbolic move the Bengals do to appease 0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:27.560 the fan baser. 0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:34.600 The thing is is they don't react that way. 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:35.120 And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. 0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.760 A lot of franchises in the NFL react with emotion, 0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:41.600 and usually I think that they they get it wrong. 0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:44.080 I don't know, person I don't know what firing Al 0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.520 Golden does. Yep, I don't because he can't physically go 0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:51.160 out there and make Jordan battle right right, all right? 0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:55.600 For those that want that gone, fine, that could happen. 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:57.640 I just don't think it's gonna happen today. And I 0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.440 don't I still don't know what that doest it other 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:02.800 than make a move to make a move. But one 0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:05.400 that's interesting is do and if they look at it 0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:07.640 and they say, man, we really don't have the talent. 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:10.960 And I'm not saying that would happen today. I think 0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:12.400 that would happen at the end of the year. I 0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:13.960 think any of these moves would happen at the end 0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:15.959 of the year. Sair enough, I want to dismiss any 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:19.040 of them, but I'm not anything's gonna happen today, which 0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.120 means that it'll happen probably five minutes after. 0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:21.359 I get off. 0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:23.840 All right, James, all the best, buddy, I know we 0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:26.359 got to get going round a light. Appreciate it. Thanks Nana. Well, 0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:29.160 if something breaks out, you'll break in. James Rapeen with 0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:32.480 Bengals Talks, bengalstock dot Com of course locked on Bengals 0:34:32.520 --> 0:34:36.279 the Daily Podcast. All the best, Thanks, Thanks God. Just 0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:38.200 when you think it can't get any worse, it does. 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:41.080 Home of the Best Bengals covered seven hundred w DOWD Cincinnat. 0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:42.799 Do you want to be an American? 0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:43.640 All right? 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:46.200 Scott flowing back on seven hundred WWDE Can we have 0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:49.200 any more like awful news going on this Monday morning? 0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:51.680 Not how we want to wake up when we if 0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:54.160 we didn't get an hour's sleep. But at the same time, 0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:55.719 you know winter is here and it's going to be 0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:57.760 depressing and dark, and of course he had the Bengals 0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:01.120 the kind of pels and can comparis into the serious 0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:04.360 nature of seven people shot in and around Cincinnati on Saturday, 0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:07.480 literally at one o'clock in the morning in OTR gun 0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:09.880 violence rang out in front of the Privy Bar on 0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:12.480 Elm Street, steps away from Rhenggeist by the way. And 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:15.320 keep in mind a lot of people reveling because it's Halloween. 0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:17.600 They're dressed up, they're in costume. You have college kids, 0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:20.359 young people, middle aged people, older people having a good time. 0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.960 The gunfire rings out in front of this bar. And 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:25.279 I just got this video and I shared it via 0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:27.680 my Facebook page at Scott Sloane in on ex A's 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:31.359 Scott Sloane and it comes from a reliable source, an 0:35:31.400 --> 0:35:33.960 individual who lives in the neighborhood. It is a Sunday 0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:35.960 morning and I'll describe it for you if you want 0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:37.959 to see it for yourself. It's too unreal to believe 0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:41.840 in the city that hours after an investigation into the 0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:45.360 shots fired, we have the image laying in the grass 0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:48.040 literally across the street, steps away from the Privy nightclub. 0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:52.160 In the grass is a handgun just lying there. It's 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.880 got dew on it, it's got rain on it, whatever 0:35:54.880 --> 0:35:57.719 it might be do or a moisture. And the individuals 0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:01.120 like I live in the neighborhood describing the fact that 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:04.359 they had this investigation of shooting and there's a gun 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:04.799 lying there. 0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:04.960 Now. 0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.840 Could the gun have been thrown there after the shooting? 0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:12.480 It possibly, but it makes one question maybe how thin 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:15.520 the resources are and what the priorities are. And you've 0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:17.719 got so many people running around trying to police and 0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:20.000 do what they're doing, and with limited, by the way 0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:24.720 limited resources, one could ask did that thing get missed 0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:28.480 during the shooting investigation? It is. It's chilling to see. 0:36:28.840 --> 0:36:31.000 And also, you know, you could see the kind of 0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:35.239 crowd that you know, mingles out there. It's not good. Listen, 0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:36.800 I'm off far but having a good time and I 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:38.520 don't care. But you know, when you have to have 0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:41.880 armed security guards, when you have to have people with 0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:44.400 metal detectors making sure that you don't get in there 0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:47.480 with guns and weapons, that's a problem. And why is 0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:50.960 that allowed? Why is that permitted? As I understand it 0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:52.719 that this is a problem with this club, it's been 0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:54.600 going on for months now and it yet to be addressed. 0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.200 And now we've got a gun literally lying in front 0:36:57.320 --> 0:36:59.800 of the club, or a shooting happened just hours ago. 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.040 This is what we're facing here in Cincinnati. Joined the 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:06.600 show on seven hundred Wow. She's Betsy brandtnor Smith with 0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:09.520 the National Police Association, because I want to get some 0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:12.800 perspective and just maybe how to whack Cincinnati is compared 0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.080 to comparable cities for the rest of the country. Betsy, 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:17.480 welcome back, are you hey. 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:20.160 It's great to be with you, and I'm so glad 0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:23.400 you're talking about this because so many big blue cities 0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:28.600 around the country are dealing with this exact same issue 0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:33.920 violent crime, you know, gun crime in an area where 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.440 there are all these gun laws that are supposed to 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:45.040 take care of this. So yeah, Cincinnati is unfortunately right up. 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:50.000 There are ween outlier compared to comparable cities. I mean, 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:51.560 I feel we live here. We don't get to see 0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:53.839 you think it's awful right now because I had you 0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:57.279 on after the beatdown, the July brawl. We've had the 0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.879 police chief fired. We have shootings on Fountain Square, which 0:37:59.920 --> 0:38:02.560 is iconic. Everyone knows about Fountain Square and the Genius 0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:05.040 of Water Statue. That is the literally, if you're to 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.360 drop a pin on the map where Cincinnati is, that 0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:09.279 the tip of that pin would be right through the 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:11.719 heart of the Genius of Water Statue. That's the town 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:15.120 center basically, and people are out there having a good 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:17.719 time in gunfire. And then on Thursday night football when 0:38:17.719 --> 0:38:19.480 the Steelers are in town, we had an individual shot 0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:23.000 steps away following the game. And now this seven shooting. 0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:25.879 Seven people shot, including what I just described in front 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:27.720 of a nightclub with a gun lying there the morning 0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:30.520 after in the grass. When you look at other cities, 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:33.960 I mean, how how comparable are we because it feels 0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:35.800 like there's no way it could be worse than other cities. 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:43.560 Well, you're not worse in the cities obviously, Memphis, Tennessee, Chicago, Illinois, 0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:48.279 New York City, larger cities, you know, so you do 0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:52.640 have less violent crime than cities like that. But the 0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:57.000 problem is in Cincinnati, like in some of these other cities, 0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:02.080 is you've had this almost decade long emphasis on things 0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:05.400 like restorative justice and racial justice and all that. And 0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:08.480 then in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, we had 0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:14.760 the George Floyd situation where law enforcement was vilified, prosecutors 0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:19.799 were encouraged to spend more time worrying about criminals than 0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:24.400 crime victims, and we talked about race, race, race, and 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:30.400 we stopped talking about stopping crime and helping victims. So 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:33.960 in that light, Cincinnati is right up there with other 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:37.759 big blue cities, and it's really unfortunate because Cincinnati is 0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:38.840 such a beautiful city. 0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:41.480 It feels like at this point it's starting to get 0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:43.440 away from this. You know, during the summer months, we 0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:45.799 see a spike for obvious reasons. Young people are out 0:39:45.840 --> 0:39:49.439 gun crimes, juveniles are committing violent crimes and violent lects. 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:51.719 Usually that settles down when the weather gets a little 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:54.680 bit cooler. But we've now steamrolled into this being October 0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:56.800 and all that with all these people downtown for Halloween 0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:01.680 and now seven people shot this weekend. In particular, we 0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:04.440 as you know, Betsy fired a police chief, or at 0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:07.120 least she's unpaid administrative leave, whatever the hell that means. 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:08.799 And it's going to be two months to find out 0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:10.839 why the city fired her in the first place. That 0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:13.640 can't be helpening elsewhere where you fight. Essentially fire the 0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.000 police chief and then look for reasons as to why 0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:17.759 you fired her. It's going to take two months and 0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.360 spend about forty fifty thousand dollars in tax para money. 0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:24.520 No, you're you're right about that, and she, you know, again, 0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:27.640 why was she fired? You know, maybe her response wasn't 0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:31.960 the best when it came to you guys making international news. 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:37.400 But you know, she came up from inside. She seems 0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:39.440 to know what she's doing, and it seems to be 0:40:39.520 --> 0:40:43.239 a real knee jerk reaction. But again, we prefer to 0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:47.680 wait until the investigation is over. But in the meantime, 0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:51.600 you have people that are being victimized, and how do 0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:54.279 you stop that, how do you stop this gun crime? 0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:59.680 You put people in prison. Punishment works, And that's the 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:02.160 problem that you have in Cincinnati, like in so many 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:07.080 other big blue cities, is we've stopped punishing criminals. We 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:10.600 worry way more about their feelings than we do about 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:14.680 the feelings of the crime victims, and we stopped really 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:18.920 paying attention to law. Restorative justice is which means we 0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:22.000 worry more about the criminal than the crime victim. Restorative 0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:24.480 justice is one of the worst things to happen to 0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:27.719 this nation and also to happen to Cincinnati. And you 0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:31.359 can look around Ohio and you can see how other 0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:35.120 cities deal with crime, how other counties deal with crime, 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:39.040 and very often they do a better job. But Cincinnati, 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:43.879 unlike some other larger cities, is extremely salvageable, and that's 0:41:43.880 --> 0:41:45.000 what people need to focus on. 0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:46.960 You know, what we see in the crime. The folent 0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:49.880 crime isn't up necessarily in certain areas. It is like 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:52.239 areas we're talking about property crime is through the roof, 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:55.680 that's like up sixty percent. But is that pat in 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:59.000 common in other cities? And what about the divergence that 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:01.840 indicates about the underlying crime issues that we have. 0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:06.640 When you look at crime statistics, almost every city you 0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:10.120 look at, crime is down. But the problem with that 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:16.160 is it's reported crime. Forty three percent of crimes in 0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:20.799 this country go unreported because people have given up. And 0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.840 when you have a police department that's short staff, like 0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.520 Cincinnati does, when you have a police department that is 0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:31.600 beleiaguered like Cincinnati has, people don't even bother to report 0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:36.400 every you know, many many crimes. And it's extraordinary to 0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:39.120 hear that property crime is up because that's the crimes 0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:43.480 that often go unreported. So I would guess your property 0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:45.920 crime problem is off the hook. You also have a 0:42:46.040 --> 0:42:51.080 juvenile crime problem that, in my opinion, isn't being properly 0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:54.640 dealt with. We have got to look at juveniles, we 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:58.319 have to look at them differently. That's appropriate, but they 0:42:58.360 --> 0:42:59.680 also need to be punished. 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.960 Betsy Brightner Smith of the National Police Association on the 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:05.200 show on seven hundred W but kind of like a 0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:07.919 national perspective on what's happening in Cincinnati with the seven 0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:10.400 people shot over the weekend, in the steady drum beat 0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:13.000 of violence. It feels like we had the leak of 0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:16.680 the police video on Friday, and that would substantiate the 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:19.239 fact that the alert Schabnovski hit that the white guy, 0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:20.840 he was the victim in this whole thing, was attack 0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:24.240 from behind, and that was not shared because it didn't 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:27.239 lead the narrative about how race crimes actually work. It 0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:28.560 was a black guy punching him in the back of 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.000 the head. He turns around starts slapping people. But that's 0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:33.360 what we saw, and that's as sick thing as anything 0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:35.440 else because of all this violence. We don't need to 0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:37.680 add racial animosity this whole thing, but that was of 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:40.040 course ginned up by a lot of the people who 0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:42.319 are not only seeking your vote but seeking power in 0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:45.520 the city. Is that the racism is a one way street. 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:47.880 It's always white on block, not the other way around. 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:50.520 And we could admit that regardless of who you are, 0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:52.239 what you look like, what you stand for, that we 0:43:52.280 --> 0:43:54.279 have racists among us and it's up to the good 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:56.560 people to stand up. Then you could actually solve problems. 0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:59.160 But that's not happening right now in our city. And 0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:01.800 I look at the gun laying outside the club. That's 0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:03.799 not a good look for CPD. I just posted this 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.759 on my Facebook and x feeds Betsy Brandner Smith that 0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:09.120 someone shared with me. They were out the next morning 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:11.840 after the shooting at the club and OTR and literally 0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:14.200 across the street from the club there was a handgun 0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:17.120 looks like a nine millimeter handgun laying on the grass 0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:18.840 right in front of the club. People are going to 0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:20.879 look at the police and go, how the hell could 0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:23.080 you miss a gun unless the gun was thrown there 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:26.040 after the crime, after the police had left, But that's 0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:26.880 probably unlikely. 0:44:28.400 --> 0:44:30.960 Well, and that's the thing, and we really don't know. 0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:33.759 I assume there are cameras outside of this club, and 0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:37.560 I assume that, well, we'll know. But you're right, it's 0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:40.760 not a good look. But you know, the Cincinnati Police 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:44.560 Department used to be one of the best in the country, 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:49.560 and they have so many good people and good leaders. 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:54.640 The problem is is, again they have been themselves beaten 0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:58.600 down by political leadership. And this is why elections are 0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:02.640 so very important when you go to the you know, people, 0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:05.160 when you go to the polls tomorrow. We don't tell 0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:06.719 you how to vote, but I want you to think 0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:10.279 about how you're living in the city of Cincinnati, and 0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:12.440 this is the same thing, and we're seeing all around 0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:16.000 the country. New York's a great example. You know, who 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:20.080 is going to give you a safer life in your 0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:22.600 city because a lot of people are moving, but people 0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:26.040 who can't afford to move are stuck, and they're the 0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:28.200 ones who become the victims. And we hear so much 0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:32.200 about oh people, you know, poor people are you know, 0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:35.600 they commit crimes because of this, and that most people 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:38.799 are not criminals. Cops know this, the media knows this, 0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:41.320 even if they don't want to talk about it. Most 0:45:41.480 --> 0:45:45.400 people are just trying to live their lives. We have 0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:50.360 got to root out the criminals, punish them, incarcerate them, 0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:54.839 and then everybody needs to be able to live their 0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:59.160 lives in a nice, open society like we were able 0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:00.000 to do forty years. 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:02.800 Yeah, yeah, you know. To make this a racial element 0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:05.359 of the race, the biggest victims of these crimes by 0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:08.280 these individuals are black women. In particular, black community suffer 0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:10.800 the most when you talk about these gun crimes and 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:13.719 the like, not not always because we have shootings. Believe me, 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:18.520 speaking for white America, I mean it's not like we 0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:20.560 have all the problems solved either. We got plenty of 0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:23.719 problems for sure, But the violence issue affects us all 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:26.280 regardless of where it had. Don't care where it happens, 0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:28.040 I just care that it is happening. And when a 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:32.120 gun is laying on in the street basically of Cincinnati 0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:34.839 hours after shooting, it's a bad look again for our 0:46:34.840 --> 0:46:38.200 community and to the missteps continue to go. And not 0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:40.520 only that, a lot of the complaints are unanswered by 0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:44.080 this administration, be the city manager and the mayor. Is 0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:47.040 if we simply don't acknowledge it, it'll go away. And 0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:48.759 all we hear is out how tough on crime we're 0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.480 going to be, while all the while judges are letting 0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:53.799 people out who should be locked up. That's exactly what 0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:56.680 you're talking about, Betsy Brandner Smith the National Police Association. 0:46:57.160 --> 0:46:59.480 I'm willing bet that those involved in the shootings over 0:46:59.480 --> 0:47:02.600 the weekend have had something in their jacket that would 0:47:02.600 --> 0:47:04.840 prohibit them from having the firearm. You've almost bet the 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:07.239 House on it. It happened in just about every case 0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:09.520 we've had so far. Why would this be different. 0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:13.840 Well, and I'm going to guess that the vast majority 0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:17.280 of them have probably had lots of police contact before, 0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:22.240 lots of judiciary contact before. And this is the problem 0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:24.960 that we're seeing around the nation, and you're seeing it 0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:29.520 in Cincinnati as well. As people are not being punished 0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:33.759 because what we're saying is societally, punishment is bad. We 0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:36.880 can't punish people. We just need to understand them and 0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:40.000 hold their hand and realize that they weren't breastfed long 0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:43.360 enough and things like that. And it's ridiculous because again, 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:49.720 most people do not commit crimes, rich, poor, black, white, whatever. 0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:53.839 We need to root out the criminals, punish them, and 0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:58.680 go back to a sane society. And that's why it's 0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:03.839 so important to vote, and to vote for your own safety, 0:48:04.400 --> 0:48:08.600 not for some political party or not because you don't 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:11.080 like the guy in the White House. Think about your 0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:15.720 own life and is your political leadership doing right by 0:48:16.040 --> 0:48:17.920 you a citizen of Cincinnati. 0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:20.040 I was say in Cincinnati, know that that too much 0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:22.920 of emphasis is put on stuff that you mentioned and 0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:26.279 the whole deal. Listen, inclusivity. I'm all for the best 0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:28.719 person for the job, open it up and let the 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:31.239 market decide him. A free market kind of guy. But 0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:33.560 the idea when Terry Thiji, before she was fired three 0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:35.440 years ago, she was named police chief and her biggest 0:48:35.480 --> 0:48:37.560 concern was about what I'm talking about here. Wasn't about 0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:40.120 improving the police force, more cops on the street, stuff 0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:42.600 like that, important stuff like that. The administration didn't want 0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:45.080 to do that. They wanted to focus on inclusivity and 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:47.440 all those things. And the end result is when you 0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:49.919 ignore the police department and don't feed it and care 0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:52.759 and nurture for it, things like this happened because there's 0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:55.319 a criminal element out there, and not again I think 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:57.840 that you'd admit there's different tiers of criminals, but you 0:48:57.960 --> 0:49:03.120 just encourage this kind of predatory, sociopathic behavior where people 0:49:03.160 --> 0:49:06.040 simply we've had shootings here, Betsy, where there's cops standing 0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:08.759 there and they still wind up shooting. They don't care 0:49:08.840 --> 0:49:11.480 about their lives or almost around just their immediate needs. 0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:14.680 I'm tired of hearing about being on your own recognizance 0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:16.600 and they're going to get a job and just promise 0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:18.719 never to do it again. The same people go out 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:21.040 with an ankle monitor and shoot folks, just like what 0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:23.880 happened in front of the in between after the Thursday 0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:26.480 night Bengals gave guy had an ankle monitor on when 0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:29.040 he fired shots. It's unprecedented. 0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:33.640 Well, it absolutely is. And this is why your police officers, 0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:38.360 before they engage in situations like that, and the criminals 0:49:38.440 --> 0:49:40.920 know this. Your police officers have to think not only 0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:43.359 about their own lives and the lives of people around them, 0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.840 but they have to think, am I going to be bilified? 0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:47.560 Am I going to be demonized? Am I going to 0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:52.360 be prosecuted simply for doing my job? Even when usuforce 0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:55.200 is justified And you're so right about the chief. So 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.680 much was made, you know, when she was promoted to 0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:01.239 chief and all that, and there was so much talk 0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:04.440 about diversity and inclusion and this Matt Well, now all 0:50:04.440 --> 0:50:07.440 of a sudden, she's not so diverse, we're not so inclusive, 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:10.200 and she's on paid leave until we figure out a 0:50:10.280 --> 0:50:17.480 way to demonize her for our own political and administrative mistake. 0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:21.400 She is a Betty Brandner Smith National Police Association, So 0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:23.719 we're not an outlier. We're not different than anybody else. 0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:25.360 If this is happening out of the City's got to 0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:28.080 help us. But there is an election tomorrow. We'll see. 0:50:28.120 --> 0:50:31.040 It's going to be interesting tomorrow. I guess it would 0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:33.800 be on Wednesday to find out exactly what the outcome 0:50:33.840 --> 0:50:36.000 because I would think that the voters are going to 0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:37.600 make somebody pay. I'm not quite sure it's going to 0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:40.360 be the mayor though. We'll find out what happens. But Betsy, 0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:41.840 all the best, Thanks for jumping on this morning. 0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:45.719 Thanks for having me. Cincinnati is a beautiful city. I 0:50:45.760 --> 0:50:47.880 know it well. It's worth saving everybody. 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:49.160 Savior city, take care. 0:50:49.239 --> 0:50:51.200 Thank you. We've got to get a news update in. 0:50:51.239 --> 0:50:53.479 We've got lots going on, and you know, more sad 0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:56.040 news of the weekend. A long time member of seven 0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:58.200 hundred w that would actually one of the cornerstones of 0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:01.640 the granddaddy's sport stock, Bob Trump be passing away at 0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:05.719 the age of eighty and I crossed Trump's pass with 0:51:05.760 --> 0:51:09.359 Trump many times working in then at Mount Adams. When 0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:10.880 i'd come in I was doing the nine at midnight 0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:13.080 show years and years and years ago, and I first 0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:14.919 started here and I'd see him on Thursday nights when 0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:17.000 doing some Bengals talk and I'd walk in the studio 0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:20.120 and have great conversations with Bob Trumpy about football and 0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:22.759 a bunch of other things. Just a great guy and 0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:25.560 sad to hear that iron Bob Trump. He passed way. 0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:28.480 Of course he went on to after sports Stock. He 0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:31.480 wanted to do stuff like NBC called Super Bowls, Olympics 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:34.879 Hall of Famer Bob Trumpy passing away at the age 0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:38.520 of eighty and remembering here on the place he got 0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:41.160 his started. Media is right here on the home of 0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:45.520 the best Bengals coverage seven hundred WW Cincinnati. Everyone needs 0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:48.480 help every now and then, and she's here to help 0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:51.720 us get our heads right. This is Mental Health Monday 0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:57.400 with mental health expert Julie Hadtershire. Yeah, I wish we 0:51:57.440 --> 0:52:00.719 had better news on this day with we had shootings 0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:02.239 we have of course what happened on the field with 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:05.200 the Bengals, and just a lot of doom and gloom 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:07.879 out there. And that's compounded by the fact that, yeah, 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:09.799 we got an extra hour of sleep last night, but 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:12.400 the dividends will be paid for the coming days and weeks. 0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:14.520 For some people when it comes to the fact, the 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:18.439 sad fact that like Johnny cash In fulsome prison. We're 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:20.319 not going to see the sun since I don't know when. 0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:22.920 Joining the show is Julie H from b Connected out 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:31.919 Care Jewels. Good morning, Julie there standby. We got issues here, 0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:34.960 Julia there, there we go. I don't know what's going on. 0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:37.440 Even the phones don't want to work today, even the 0:52:37.480 --> 0:52:38.400 phones are depressed. 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:40.840 I was talking, I could hear you. 0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:41.560 Sorry about that. 0:52:41.600 --> 0:52:43.879 Oh no, that's that's not on you. That's on that's 0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:46.280 on us, maybe because of like maybe our sleep schedules 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:46.840 are screwed up. 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:49.080 I don't know, screwed up. 0:52:49.120 --> 0:52:50.839 We got all this damn bad news, and then on 0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:53.000 top of that, we we lose all our sunshine. Now, 0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:54.640 it was nice to wake up this morning, but you 0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:56.560 know what's coming. That's the sad part. You go, I'm 0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:57.879 not going to see the sun in a while here 0:52:57.880 --> 0:52:58.359 pretty soon. 0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:02.239 Yeah, it's really hard on people. It is really hard 0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:05.399 on people. Some people take it better than others, and 0:53:05.440 --> 0:53:08.480 for some people the fall time change is easier. 0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:09.560 Than the springtime change. 0:53:09.960 --> 0:53:13.640 But regardless, we know that what happens in our bodies 0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:16.080 and in our brains, it impacts us. Whether we cope 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:19.720 better with it than other people do or not. It's 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:22.560 a big deal and it happens twice the year, so 0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:23.840 we've got to get used to it. 0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:25.160 But I don't like it. 0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:28.000 Well, this one's worse, I think because you have hope, right, 0:53:28.000 --> 0:53:29.840 does it work that with your body? Like, hey, I 0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:31.719 know that the long days are coming because we do 0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:33.960 this in the spring and we lose in our sleep. 0:53:34.160 --> 0:53:35.799 We go, Okay, God, it's going to suck right now. 0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:37.759 But in a few weeks it means summer's here. There's 0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:40.160 some relief. This means that it feels like you're going 0:53:40.200 --> 0:53:44.319 to prison almost maybe a little bit extreme, but I 0:53:44.320 --> 0:53:45.840 think for a lot of people it's true. 0:53:46.800 --> 0:53:49.319 Well you know, for some people that is extreme, but 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:53.960 for other people. Fall is a lovely season objectively for 0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:58.240 most people. But people who really struggle with winter, fall 0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:00.440 is the precursor to that and to be beginning of 0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:04.520 their really hardest time. There are people who really really 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:08.000 struggle in the dark and the cold of winter. And 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:10.239 now we know it's coming, And you're right, there's less 0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:13.600 daylight in our lives, particularly for those people who work 0:54:13.600 --> 0:54:16.359 a normal eight to five, nine to five job. You're 0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:19.080 inside at work during the daylight hours, you leave in 0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:21.439 the dark, you come home in the dark, and it's 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:22.800 really difficult. 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:25.799 Let's talk about the actual measured health impact. Is there's 0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:26.560 sevel right. 0:54:27.520 --> 0:54:27.919 There are. 0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:32.239 There are quite a few, in fact, so cardiovascularly, it 0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:35.680 has a huge impact on increased number of heart attacks 0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:40.120 and strokes after each time change, consistently up to a 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:44.120 twenty four percent a recent hospital study in Michigan twenty 0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:46.120 four percent increase in heart attacks. 0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:47.160 On the Monday following the switch. 0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:49.200 That's huge, that's big. 0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:51.640 That's really really. 0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:54.399 Big heart attacks because of the time change. Now I thought, well, 0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:56.120 I got an extra hour sleep, I should be good. 0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:57.120 But that's not true. 0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:03.080 Well, you know, you know, there's what we perceive is happening. 0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:05.359 There's what actually is happening in our bodies. So our 0:55:05.400 --> 0:55:09.080 bodies run on a circadian clock, and the circadian clock 0:55:09.600 --> 0:55:13.879 is timed as animals. Bodies are time to the light 0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:20.240 in the darkness, and when we frequently shift our body clock, 0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:22.040 it has negative impacts. 0:55:22.080 --> 0:55:24.040 So we see this on shift workers. 0:55:24.520 --> 0:55:29.080 We see this in people who travel regularly for work 0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:34.600 across multiple time zones. We see decreased health in those people, 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:38.520 in large part because of the circadian rhythm differential that 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:41.080 they have to shift they shift their phases of sleep 0:55:41.120 --> 0:55:45.600 and wake. Also, though done over time, they can come 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:47.960 to adapt to that. But for the rest of us, 0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:52.880 who only shift it basically twice a year or infrequently, 0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:57.799 it can have really significant negative impacts. So I'm not 0:55:57.960 --> 0:56:00.840 a doctor. I can't explain this to you greater detail 0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:02.560 than that, but I can tell you that there is 0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:06.440 documented evidence that strokes go up maybe eight percent in 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:09.400 the first couple of days afterward, and heart attacks go 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:12.000 up significantly in the first couple of days after a 0:56:12.040 --> 0:56:12.600 time shift. 0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:15.480 Okay, so how do you prevent that? If your heart's palpitating, 0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:17.440 you're beating real fast right now, you're sweating, and your 0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:19.480 arms are going numb, we'll call nine one one. But 0:56:19.680 --> 0:56:21.200 before you get to that, what do you have to do? 0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:25.440 Well, one of the things that we're starting to understand 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:29.279 is helpful is to prepare ourselves for that. So I 0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:32.480 don't know if you, before you went to Australia did 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:34.359 what some people who travel. 0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:36.080 Long distances across multiple time zones do. 0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:39.239 If they start preparing their body for the time they're 0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:43.040 going to be in by going to bed later or 0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:45.760 going to bed earlier, by getting up later or getting 0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:50.080 up earlier start shifting a few days beforehand into their 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:50.880 new time zone. 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:52.719 No, I'm dumb. I would never do that. I'd never 0:56:52.760 --> 0:56:53.759 do that. I'm stupid you. 0:56:56.360 --> 0:56:56.600 At all. 0:56:56.960 --> 0:56:57.680 Well, one of the. 0:56:57.600 --> 0:57:00.239 Things that we recommend is if you are some one 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:04.000 who you who knows that this time change really impacts you, 0:57:04.080 --> 0:57:06.960 and it really impacts me. Not with a heart attack, 0:57:07.040 --> 0:57:09.080 but just generally I don't feel as well for the 0:57:09.320 --> 0:57:13.320 week afterwards. I try to start shifting my sleep cycle 0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:15.840 and my weight cycle to be more like the time 0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:19.360 that I'm going to be in versus the time that 0:57:19.400 --> 0:57:23.320 I'm currently living in. Then ins of abrupt shift, so 0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:27.320 gradually changing because we know that this is coming and 0:57:27.360 --> 0:57:29.320 we can predict it, can be really helpful. 0:57:30.360 --> 0:57:31.840 Well if you can. But most people, you know, you 0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:33.160 still have to work and then you go okay, and 0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:34.280 then I got to pack and I got to make 0:57:34.280 --> 0:57:36.880 sure everything's in. I'm all excited about traveling. You know, 0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:38.600 as you're talking about that, I know some people and 0:57:38.600 --> 0:57:41.800 there's people listening who are in the business of traveling 0:57:41.840 --> 0:57:44.440 a lot. And you're going to different countries different times. 0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:47.040 You know, P and G notorious for that. Does that 0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:49.480 shape yours off your life? 0:57:50.560 --> 0:57:53.560 I think there's evidence to indicate it has some pretty 0:57:53.600 --> 0:57:55.280 significant medical impacts. 0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:57.439 Yes, I know third work and third shift does. 0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:02.360 Oh yes, absolutely does, and shifting time zones like that. 0:58:02.400 --> 0:58:05.520 Our bodies are not designed to do that, and our 0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:08.960 modern technology allows it, but our bodies are not actually 0:58:08.960 --> 0:58:11.360 physically designed to do that. So it creates stress in 0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:16.440 our body, It creates differences in cortisol levels, it creates 0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:19.520 differences in our serotonin levels, which is one of the 0:58:19.640 --> 0:58:25.880 neuroreceptors neurotransmitters used for mood regulation. And so these differences 0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:30.320 over long periods of time can have negative consequences. And 0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:34.080 I believe that there now studies about protocols for how 0:58:34.120 --> 0:58:36.480 to help people who have shift work or who travel 0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:40.440 across multiple time zones regularly, to help them manage that better. 0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:43.760 But it's something that needs to be carefully managed because 0:58:43.800 --> 0:58:46.959 our bodies don't adapt to that. Anybody who's traveled internationally 0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:49.720 and has jet lag knows that it can take you 0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:52.160 twenty four to thirty six hours to sort of get 0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:54.880 back in the groove again, and then when you come 0:58:54.920 --> 0:58:56.640 back home the same thing can be true. 0:58:56.880 --> 0:58:59.960 She's Julie Hatas Share, our licensed mental health expert Monday more. 0:59:00.240 --> 0:59:03.440 It's always Julie of course, talking about mental health Monday 0:59:03.840 --> 0:59:06.800 at the Be Connected Care. The time change. Yeah, it's 0:59:06.840 --> 0:59:08.640 okay right now because you've got a next hour sleep, 0:59:08.640 --> 0:59:11.080 But you know you still feel effects of this too, 0:59:11.080 --> 0:59:13.880 because heart attrack rates are up, motor vehicle accidents. Your 0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:16.520 mental health starts to stuffer at that, you get because 0:59:16.560 --> 0:59:19.200 if you can't handle the sleep very well, there's depression. 0:59:19.280 --> 0:59:22.360 Seasonal effective disorder is a huge one. 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:26.920 It is, and that is triggered by the time change 0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:31.840 and exacerbated by the increased darkness. So seasonal effective disorder 0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:35.240 is our body's response to not having enough sunlight in 0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:40.880 our day, and people feel that in many different ways. 0:59:41.880 --> 0:59:46.840 People who live in communities that are not very sunshiny, 0:59:47.000 --> 0:59:51.240 like Seattle, often have a low level of seasonal effective 0:59:51.240 --> 0:59:55.440 disorder year round. People who live in areas that are 0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:59.520 more sunshiny, and then once winter comes they get less 0:59:59.520 --> 1:00:01.760 of it becomes more acute. So you can have it 1:00:01.800 --> 1:00:04.320 sort of consistently or you can have it acutely, depending 1:00:04.400 --> 1:00:08.440 upon the seasonal change. But our bodies need sunlight. It 1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:12.440 helps with mood regulation, it helps with sleep regulation, it 1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:16.720 helps with stress levels, cortisol levels. It helps with adrenaline. 1:00:16.960 --> 1:00:19.800 It is important for us to have sunshine in our lives, 1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:21.800 and when we go to work in the dark and 1:00:21.800 --> 1:00:23.760 come home in the dark and we're not outside during 1:00:23.760 --> 1:00:27.520 the day, it's a problem. Those sunlamps really do help. 1:00:28.520 --> 1:00:31.400 Yeah, I've got a happy any bright light, yeah, yeah, 1:00:31.560 --> 1:00:33.640 because it has to be when a certain spectrum. 1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:36.480 Correct exactly, it has to be within a certain spectrum. 1:00:36.480 --> 1:00:40.040 You have to use it ideally at particular times of day, 1:00:40.400 --> 1:00:44.480 four particular lengths of time in order to mimic the 1:00:44.560 --> 1:00:47.959 impact of sunlight through your eyes, which has a huge 1:00:47.960 --> 1:00:50.360 effect on your brain. So it's not just about sitting 1:00:50.400 --> 1:00:51.120 under any light. 1:00:51.400 --> 1:00:52.080 It's about the. 1:00:54.440 --> 1:00:56.960 Type of light that sunlight is coming through your eyes 1:00:57.000 --> 1:01:00.360 and hitting your brain. You can get that just also 1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:03.160 by ten or fifteen minutes outside with no sunglasses on, 1:01:05.040 --> 1:01:06.520 if it's not terribly bright. 1:01:06.720 --> 1:01:09.920 Yeah, okay, So it's just the sun, the effect of 1:01:09.960 --> 1:01:12.200 the sun itself, the vitamin D, the things that brings 1:01:12.240 --> 1:01:14.400 with it. You mentioned different times of the day when 1:01:14.400 --> 1:01:18.720 you should be exposed. What are you talking what's optimal first. 1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:22.240 Thing in the morning, before you start your day. Ideally 1:01:22.440 --> 1:01:25.960 fifteen to thirty minutes of sunlight, because that triggers your 1:01:25.960 --> 1:01:29.760 body into recognizing that it's awake and time to work now, 1:01:29.760 --> 1:01:33.920 and your brain starts creating all of those hormones that 1:01:34.000 --> 1:01:36.880 you need in order to go through your day and 1:01:36.960 --> 1:01:39.400 do a really good job going through your day. 1:01:39.480 --> 1:01:42.240 And then sometimes. 1:01:41.640 --> 1:01:43.600 If you have a slump in the middle of the day, 1:01:43.680 --> 1:01:46.320 that's another really good time to get some sunlight through 1:01:46.360 --> 1:01:48.880 your eyes because that will again stimulate your brain to 1:01:48.880 --> 1:01:52.520 produce the hormones that provide energy and cognition and keep 1:01:52.520 --> 1:01:56.360 you sharp and focused. And then later at night, as 1:01:56.400 --> 1:01:58.880 you're starting to wind down, you want to decrease blue 1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:04.320 lights so screen time, and increase warm light in your home, 1:02:04.640 --> 1:02:07.280 and then that makes the transition to sleep easier and 1:02:07.400 --> 1:02:09.520 makes your sleep more RESTful so that you can get 1:02:09.560 --> 1:02:10.680 up the next day and do it again. 1:02:10.720 --> 1:02:12.680 All right, So what about that? She you mentioned the 1:02:12.720 --> 1:02:16.000 sleep shifting and getting used to this thing, But how 1:02:16.040 --> 1:02:18.560 often should you? What about naps? I think that's a 1:02:18.560 --> 1:02:20.240 good one too, because it feels like, you know, especially 1:02:20.240 --> 1:02:22.360 when it's gray and darken, we just want to curl 1:02:22.440 --> 1:02:24.560 up and heaven, Well, why do naps get such a 1:02:24.560 --> 1:02:25.080 bad rap? 1:02:26.160 --> 1:02:27.919 I don't know why naps got such a bad rap. 1:02:27.920 --> 1:02:29.760 But I also don't know why sleep got such a 1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:31.360 bad rap. I mean, do you remember back in the 1:02:31.480 --> 1:02:33.600 days when people used to say, I'll sleep when I'm dead, 1:02:34.000 --> 1:02:36.120 and people used to brag about getting by on three 1:02:36.240 --> 1:02:36.720 or four. 1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:37.600 Hours of sleep a night. 1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:41.880 And we know physiologically and mentally and emotionally that we 1:02:42.240 --> 1:02:44.760 most of us need seven to nine hours of sleep 1:02:44.760 --> 1:02:47.560 a night, good quality sleep. So if you are someone 1:02:47.560 --> 1:02:49.280 who needs a nap in the middle of the day, 1:02:49.440 --> 1:02:52.320 what the recommendation currently is is that you don't go 1:02:52.440 --> 1:02:54.880 for more than about thirty minutes you take a power nap. 1:02:55.400 --> 1:02:58.400 Anything more than that you're getting into a full sleep cycle. 1:02:58.440 --> 1:03:00.720 And if you interrupt a full sleep so that leaves 1:03:00.760 --> 1:03:04.400 you feeling groggier and more disconnected than before you went in. 1:03:05.560 --> 1:03:07.160 And so fifteen to. 1:03:07.120 --> 1:03:10.480 Thirty minutes is ideal for most people, and just one 1:03:10.520 --> 1:03:12.560 of those a day to kind of boost your energy 1:03:12.560 --> 1:03:15.120 and boost your mood can be real. I don't know 1:03:15.120 --> 1:03:16.880 why NAP's got a bad rap, for that. 1:03:16.880 --> 1:03:18.640 Have to be when I appear and work ethic, right, 1:03:18.640 --> 1:03:22.520 and somehow you're napping your slacker right, Well, I. 1:03:22.440 --> 1:03:25.360 Mean there is that, although I remember there were a 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:27.280 few times in my life when I would take my 1:03:27.360 --> 1:03:29.040 lunch hour and go to my car and nap for 1:03:29.080 --> 1:03:31.440 thirty minutes, and then get back into the office and 1:03:31.480 --> 1:03:33.280 work again because I was so tired. You can't really 1:03:33.360 --> 1:03:35.080 nap at your desk. I go hang out in my 1:03:35.120 --> 1:03:36.400 car and nap and then come back in. 1:03:36.920 --> 1:03:39.240 I don't know about the napping cubes. I just the 1:03:39.240 --> 1:03:40.800 people I work with. I don't want to lay where 1:03:40.800 --> 1:03:43.400 they lay. You know what to say, I do know 1:03:43.480 --> 1:03:44.080 what you mean. 1:03:44.440 --> 1:03:45.320 Wow, I'm lucky. 1:03:45.400 --> 1:03:46.600 I have a couch in my office. 1:03:46.680 --> 1:03:46.880 Yeah. 1:03:46.880 --> 1:03:49.040 I could lay down on my couch if I needed. 1:03:48.840 --> 1:03:50.800 Now, five ten minutes, if you need. I'm not a 1:03:50.800 --> 1:03:53.000 big napper. When I do it, hits, it's good. It's good. 1:03:53.000 --> 1:03:54.560 I don't mind doing it. If you need to take it, 1:03:54.560 --> 1:03:56.760 it makes you more productive. I understand. We don't encourage 1:03:56.760 --> 1:03:58.720 it more. Now you could be like some people and 1:03:58.760 --> 1:04:00.560 probably have a two hour nap. That's much. 1:04:01.880 --> 1:04:04.160 Well, that's too much, because then you're you're all the 1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:06.400 way through one and into your second sleep cycle. A 1:04:06.440 --> 1:04:09.640 complete sleep cycle lasts about ninety minutes, so the first 1:04:09.680 --> 1:04:10.680 part of the sleep. 1:04:10.400 --> 1:04:13.880 Cycle is the really restorative. That's why the first thirty 1:04:13.920 --> 1:04:14.640 minutes is great. 1:04:14.640 --> 1:04:17.760 That thirty minute nap once you move into the second 1:04:17.800 --> 1:04:20.360 part of the sleep cycle, if you awake from that 1:04:20.480 --> 1:04:22.160 in the middle of it, it's really. 1:04:21.920 --> 1:04:23.280 Hard to get back on track again. 1:04:23.320 --> 1:04:25.320 That's when you wake up and your groggy, and you 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:27.880 actually maybe feel worse than before you took the nap 1:04:28.120 --> 1:04:30.760 because you're in that second part of the sleep cycle. 1:04:31.560 --> 1:04:34.200 It's not really helpful. So that's why the thirty minutes 1:04:34.240 --> 1:04:35.160 is pretty much ideal. 1:04:35.280 --> 1:04:37.520 Which time change is worse the Sprague one or listen, 1:04:37.520 --> 1:04:39.280 I think it'd be this one. Now, granted we're still 1:04:39.280 --> 1:04:41.280 going to get an extra hour sleep. You love that one. 1:04:41.480 --> 1:04:43.280 Bars are open. If you're younger, that means the bars 1:04:43.280 --> 1:04:46.000 are open for the next hour. But for those of 1:04:46.080 --> 1:04:49.160 us adults like to me, it's like, this is worse 1:04:49.240 --> 1:04:51.880 because we know what's coming. You know that we're not 1:04:51.880 --> 1:04:53.560 going to see the sun. It's going to get dark 1:04:53.600 --> 1:04:56.000 and gloomy, and you're going to leave for work it's 1:04:56.000 --> 1:04:57.520 going to be dark, and get home for work it's 1:04:57.560 --> 1:04:59.400 going to be dark. There's no joy in that, there's 1:04:59.520 --> 1:05:02.600 nothing of forward to until we fix it in the spring. 1:05:04.200 --> 1:05:09.520 Physiologically, the research indicates that both have similar impact on 1:05:09.680 --> 1:05:13.000 our bodies. I think it's the meaning we make of it. 1:05:13.120 --> 1:05:15.680 So to your point, the spring, we lose an hour 1:05:15.760 --> 1:05:20.200 of sweep, but we know that warmer, brighter, sunnier days 1:05:20.200 --> 1:05:20.680 are coming. 1:05:21.640 --> 1:05:23.440 However, there are people who really. 1:05:23.200 --> 1:05:26.560 Like winter, and so for them, this season that's coming 1:05:26.600 --> 1:05:28.480 up is not gloomy and doomy. 1:05:28.560 --> 1:05:29.439 It is really fun. 1:05:29.480 --> 1:05:32.600 They like outdoor sports, they like the colder weather. They 1:05:32.640 --> 1:05:36.880 really enjoy, you know, coziness around a fire. So for 1:05:36.920 --> 1:05:39.560 them winter is actually a lovely season and they're not 1:05:39.720 --> 1:05:43.560 disliking it at all. So physiologically the change is very similar, 1:05:43.680 --> 1:05:46.120 or the effect is very similar. It's the meaning we 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:49.440 make of it that makes for me and you spring 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:51.400 an easier one to manage than fall. 1:05:51.400 --> 1:05:53.640 I might be a freak, but I enjoy winter. I 1:05:53.720 --> 1:05:55.640 like fall a lot. I like winter. I like winter 1:05:55.680 --> 1:05:59.560 up until about maybe March. By then it's like, okay, 1:05:59.720 --> 1:06:01.880 now it's wet and gloomy and just nasty, can't do 1:06:01.920 --> 1:06:04.520 Anything's rains all the time. That's depressing. I like nice 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:07.120 white snowfalls, something like that. Get a couple of feet 1:06:07.120 --> 1:06:09.680 of snow on the ground, a fire, I'm good. But 1:06:09.720 --> 1:06:12.280 then one it's just dooming. Blooming right, we don't have that, 1:06:12.400 --> 1:06:16.080 so and then after that, yeah, by February, February starts 1:06:16.080 --> 1:06:18.400 to roll around. When pictures and Catchers report, it's like, okay, 1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:19.960 it needs to be over, and then we got two 1:06:20.000 --> 1:06:21.440 mile months of misery is a problem. 1:06:22.880 --> 1:06:25.280 Yes, Pictures and Catchers report used to be a national 1:06:25.280 --> 1:06:27.680 holiday in my household when my kids were young. That 1:06:27.800 --> 1:06:29.760 was their favorite day of the year. Race fall season 1:06:29.880 --> 1:06:30.280 was starting. 1:06:30.320 --> 1:06:30.680 It's over. 1:06:30.800 --> 1:06:34.120 Yeah, it's over, yeah, exactly, and that's when things should 1:06:34.120 --> 1:06:34.880 start to get warmer. 1:06:34.920 --> 1:06:35.000 Now. 1:06:35.200 --> 1:06:38.240 Like you, I like winter. I like a cold Christmas 1:06:38.480 --> 1:06:41.600 and a cold New Year. And then you know, early 1:06:41.720 --> 1:06:42.800 mid January, I'm. 1:06:42.680 --> 1:06:43.160 Kind of done. 1:06:43.160 --> 1:06:44.920 I'm ready for it to start getting warmer again. 1:06:45.440 --> 1:06:47.440 Well did you also notice too that the older, when 1:06:47.560 --> 1:06:49.160 as you get older, you want more sunshine. 1:06:49.160 --> 1:06:54.720 Why isn't Yes, Well, because it helps regulate our mood, 1:06:54.800 --> 1:06:57.800 it helps regulate our energy. Sunshine is really important for 1:06:57.880 --> 1:07:00.680 all of the processes in our body, and the older 1:07:00.720 --> 1:07:04.680 we get, the more challenging physically things can become, the 1:07:04.680 --> 1:07:07.520 more we need every little bit of help we can access, 1:07:07.640 --> 1:07:12.800 and sunlight is important. Darkness feels darker the older I 1:07:12.840 --> 1:07:15.400 get I agree with you, and winter feels more wintery 1:07:15.440 --> 1:07:18.280 and yuckie the older I get, and I think that 1:07:18.280 --> 1:07:20.760 that is pretty common. It's harder to stay warm when 1:07:20.800 --> 1:07:23.640 you're older, it's harder to navigate in the. 1:07:23.640 --> 1:07:25.000 Dark when you're older. 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:29.520 And we need more of the serotone and the dopamine 1:07:29.520 --> 1:07:31.920 that sunlight provides us, and we need more of the 1:07:31.960 --> 1:07:34.760 cortisol to get us going in through our day that 1:07:34.840 --> 1:07:37.600 the sunlight provides that, because as we get older, our 1:07:37.600 --> 1:07:38.640 brains produce less of that. 1:07:38.720 --> 1:07:41.640 Naturally, I get cortisol dopamine. I'm here for Julie Hattersh 1:07:41.680 --> 1:07:43.400 here at be Connected dot Care. That's let her be 1:07:43.840 --> 1:07:45.480 Connected dot Care if you want to reach out, maybe 1:07:45.520 --> 1:07:47.960 a topic for a future segment or a question for her. 1:07:48.640 --> 1:07:52.640 She practices out of Clifton at Beconnected dot Care. And Hey, 1:07:52.720 --> 1:07:56.120 Julie is the handle for the email Julie Hattershare Mental Health, 1:07:56.120 --> 1:07:57.760 money and the Scott Slan Show all the best. Thanks 1:07:57.760 --> 1:08:01.600 for jumping on, have a great weekranks you too, Yeah, 1:08:01.680 --> 1:08:03.400 thank you. I got to get a news update and 1:08:03.440 --> 1:08:06.560 then when we return, Austin Elmore's here. So far, no 1:08:06.600 --> 1:08:09.080 worried about anybody getting fired down at pay Corp. Shouldn't 1:08:09.120 --> 1:08:11.960 someone be fired for this? We'll name names coming up 1:08:12.000 --> 1:08:15.880 with Austin as the watches on for a sacrificial lamb 1:08:16.439 --> 1:08:19.920 down with the football team after yesterday's historic disasters loss out, 1:08:19.960 --> 1:08:23.200 back to back historic disasters loss losses. Here on the 1:08:23.240 --> 1:08:25.400 home of the best Bengals coverage Scotsland putting the dope 1:08:25.439 --> 1:08:27.080 and dopamine on seven hundred WW. 1:08:27.200 --> 1:08:31.200 Since you want to American, All right. 1:08:31.080 --> 1:08:35.000 Here we go. We have good news today. Good news today. 1:08:35.360 --> 1:08:38.920 Dodgers won the World Series. Some really good news. I 1:08:39.000 --> 1:08:40.840 opened the Jays would win. I don't know how it 1:08:40.880 --> 1:08:43.320 makes the Reds look any bad or worse, but nonetheless 1:08:43.320 --> 1:08:46.760 we have shootings. And speaking of sports, we had the Bengals. 1:08:47.479 --> 1:08:49.680 If you thought last week against the Jets was the 1:08:49.720 --> 1:08:52.800 worst ever, literally they said, hold on, hold on, hold 1:08:52.840 --> 1:08:57.519 my beer, hold my rhyangeist watch this and normally the 1:08:57.520 --> 1:09:00.040 football game and the script is always this. In the 1:09:00.040 --> 1:09:03.640 extremely unlikely event you recover an on side kick, and 1:09:03.680 --> 1:09:06.360 then and they more extremely unlikely version you got and 1:09:06.400 --> 1:09:08.479 you score a touchdown to go ahead, You do not 1:09:08.600 --> 1:09:11.280 lose the game. It is that is that is written 1:09:11.320 --> 1:09:13.880 in stone, right, well, it is written in stone. Austin 1:09:13.880 --> 1:09:15.360 Elmore from ESPN fifteen thirty. 1:09:15.840 --> 1:09:19.479 The last two times the Bengals have recovered an on 1:09:19.600 --> 1:09:23.439 side kick, they've lost the game. It doesn't happen. They 1:09:23.479 --> 1:09:26.120 did it in twenty nineteen. You might remember the Burrow 1:09:26.200 --> 1:09:30.000 Bowl I do against the Miami Dolphins where they feverishly 1:09:30.080 --> 1:09:33.120 came back and ended up losing that game, which secured 1:09:33.120 --> 1:09:37.439 the number one pick. And then yesterday feverishly came back 1:09:38.280 --> 1:09:42.200 and with fifty seconds and Caleb Williams everybody who's a 1:09:42.240 --> 1:09:45.640 Bengals fan said that's way too much time, when it 1:09:45.760 --> 1:09:47.960 was they only needed like twenty yeah. 1:09:48.280 --> 1:09:51.920 Yeah, And I say that, I tell you because this 1:09:51.960 --> 1:09:54.200 is more insulting than the Jets loss. I don't know 1:09:54.560 --> 1:09:57.400 to me, simply because it's an on seven team, you're 1:09:57.439 --> 1:10:00.160 gonna play like you got nothing. Chicago comes you the 1:10:00.160 --> 1:10:02.720 game one in a little of the closing seconds, all 1:10:02.760 --> 1:10:04.360 you had to do is make it to just stop 1:10:04.400 --> 1:10:06.800 the one guy that's it. Did you did you say 1:10:07.000 --> 1:10:09.640 like this game should have could have and would have 1:10:09.680 --> 1:10:13.479 been won. Did you really think when the Bengals scored 1:10:13.520 --> 1:10:16.639 the touchdown to go up one point and Chicago had 1:10:16.680 --> 1:10:18.960 fifty seconds and a time out. I thought the Stan 1:10:19.000 --> 1:10:19.400 which stick. 1:10:19.680 --> 1:10:23.760 The Bengals were going to win, Nooty exactly. Nobody thought 1:10:23.800 --> 1:10:26.000 they were going to win. If nothing else, they kick 1:10:26.040 --> 1:10:27.280 a field goal and they get out of there. 1:10:28.240 --> 1:10:31.040 But giving up that it's third and ten, Austin, I know, 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:32.559 all you need to do is tackle. 1:10:33.120 --> 1:10:36.160 All you have to do, Scott were nine games in. 1:10:36.640 --> 1:10:40.439 This is who they are. The expectation is no longer 1:10:40.479 --> 1:10:43.080 for them to win football games. It is how badly 1:10:43.120 --> 1:10:45.400 are they going to screw up the chances they do have? 1:10:46.400 --> 1:10:48.640 Like I winned that game yesterday. I thought Chicago was 1:10:48.640 --> 1:10:50.920 going to win by fourteen points. Right, they were right there. 1:10:50.960 --> 1:10:54.280 And to you know, to the Bengals credit, they fought hard. 1:10:54.320 --> 1:10:58.200 They played pretty well, at least offensively. They kept themselves 1:10:58.240 --> 1:11:00.960 in the game. But defensively, I knew if they needed 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:02.719 to have a stop, they had to get a stop. 1:11:02.840 --> 1:11:04.400 Yeah, there was no way it was going to happen. 1:11:04.400 --> 1:11:05.240 All right. Here's why. 1:11:05.320 --> 1:11:05.439 Now. 1:11:05.479 --> 1:11:07.599 Normally, like at eleven thirty five of James with Peena, 1:11:07.680 --> 1:11:09.680 he's busy. I don't know if he sees something in 1:11:09.680 --> 1:11:11.400 the tea leaves or whatever. I said, Okay, well we'll 1:11:11.400 --> 1:11:13.000 do James early this morning. I had him at nine 1:11:13.000 --> 1:11:17.040 this morning from Sports Illustrated, Locked on Bengals and bengelstock 1:11:17.080 --> 1:11:19.760 dot com. Great, I said, I'll maybe get Audie or 1:11:19.800 --> 1:11:21.880 something on later in the show during eleven o'clock hour, 1:11:22.200 --> 1:11:24.120 because you just have a sense with the other thirty 1:11:24.120 --> 1:11:26.640 one other cities, it's like somebody's got to pay for this. 1:11:27.640 --> 1:11:30.960 And I bring that up because Zach Taylor says it's sick, 1:11:31.000 --> 1:11:32.920 it's sick to lose that. I feel sick. I'm sick. 1:11:32.920 --> 1:11:35.800 I'm sick right now. When a head coach says that, 1:11:35.800 --> 1:11:37.200 that tells me he's out of answers. 1:11:37.439 --> 1:11:37.599 Yea. 1:11:38.240 --> 1:11:40.760 And not only the defense cost the Bengals another game, 1:11:40.800 --> 1:11:42.840 but it was reported that like all the guys on 1:11:42.920 --> 1:11:44.840 defense and the ones that were a lot of the 1:11:44.840 --> 1:11:48.679 problems were laughing to the media going we're not talking. 1:11:48.760 --> 1:11:51.120 I'll see on Monday, like there were no repercussions for this. 1:11:51.240 --> 1:11:57.280 And then that's contrasted with guys like Chase Brown and 1:11:57.800 --> 1:12:00.000 Ti Higgins and Jamar Chase and all those other guys, 1:12:00.160 --> 1:12:03.200 like a number of offensive players were legitimately pissed off 1:12:03.200 --> 1:12:06.360 about this, talking badly in the locker room about the 1:12:06.360 --> 1:12:09.519 defense and the defensive players and responsible like Ah Okay, see, 1:12:09.520 --> 1:12:11.760 I see on Monday, I'm talking to you whatever. That 1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:15.080 tells me that there's no control in the locker, Like literally, 1:12:15.400 --> 1:12:17.559 they're losing control. If they haven't lost control, right, you've 1:12:17.560 --> 1:12:19.320 lost the room, as they say in hockey. Yeah. 1:12:19.360 --> 1:12:23.479 So what I keep hearing from people around the team 1:12:23.960 --> 1:12:28.920 is that there is completely no leadership. Nothing on the 1:12:28.960 --> 1:12:31.160 defensive side of the ball. There's a lack of culture. 1:12:31.439 --> 1:12:34.280 There's a lack of leadership. There are not veterans who 1:12:34.360 --> 1:12:36.840 are doing their job and keeping the young guys in line. 1:12:37.240 --> 1:12:39.639 So Logan Wilson and bj Hill and Trey Henderson they're 1:12:39.640 --> 1:12:41.680 not doing that. They're not those guys in terms of, 1:12:41.960 --> 1:12:43.880 you know, kind of being the leaders in the tent 1:12:43.960 --> 1:12:48.400 pole guys to eedbuddy rally around. And it's more than anything, 1:12:48.439 --> 1:12:51.280 a bunch of kids just walking around thinking everything's funny, 1:12:51.360 --> 1:12:54.559 enjoying life in the NFL instead of grown men at work. 1:12:55.080 --> 1:12:57.400 And that's a major issue for this and there's no 1:12:57.479 --> 1:12:58.479 repercussions for it. 1:12:58.800 --> 1:12:59.080 Now. 1:12:59.320 --> 1:12:59.559 You know. 1:13:00.000 --> 1:13:01.799 Part of it is if you bench a team captain 1:13:01.800 --> 1:13:04.280 and Logan Wilson, well then okay, well he's he's not 1:13:04.320 --> 1:13:06.719 going to be a part of the solution. Trey Hendrickson hurt. Okay, 1:13:06.840 --> 1:13:08.040 he's not going to be a part of the solution. 1:13:08.080 --> 1:13:10.439 But even when those guys were healthy, they weren't part 1:13:10.479 --> 1:13:15.280 of it. Really vocal yell yeah exactly. So again, the 1:13:15.320 --> 1:13:18.000 Bengals have kind of just put this collection of people 1:13:18.040 --> 1:13:20.360 into the Bengals defensive locker room and hoping for a 1:13:20.479 --> 1:13:23.599 leader to emerge. I mean, Zach said it after the 1:13:23.600 --> 1:13:26.800 loss last week. Somebody in that room has to step up. Well, 1:13:26.840 --> 1:13:30.599 they don't have the personalities or the performances correctly mixed 1:13:30.640 --> 1:13:31.960 together to do that. 1:13:32.240 --> 1:13:34.639 Because it's about talent, but it's also about chemistry. 1:13:34.880 --> 1:13:37.400 It is it's about chemistry. It's it's also about there's 1:13:37.439 --> 1:13:41.240 a certain level of maturity as to understanding fully what 1:13:41.320 --> 1:13:43.479 your job is, what's required of you, and how you 1:13:43.479 --> 1:13:47.320 can become a better person, a person and player. And 1:13:47.360 --> 1:13:49.640 there's a humility that comes with that. I think of 1:13:49.720 --> 1:13:52.920 Jordan Battle for an example, last play of the game, 1:13:53.000 --> 1:13:56.240 essentially the Colston Loveland touchdown. Jordan Battle had had a 1:13:56.280 --> 1:13:59.400 solid game tackling. He had actually looked like maybe he had, 1:13:59.520 --> 1:14:03.400 you know, tackled pretty well. But in that moment, instead 1:14:03.400 --> 1:14:06.960 of wrapping up and tackling Colston Lovelin. He didn't put 1:14:06.960 --> 1:14:09.840 his arms out, he lowered his shoulder. He tried to 1:14:10.000 --> 1:14:12.600 hurt basically, tried to hit him as hard as he 1:14:12.640 --> 1:14:16.160 possibly could. Yes, and he bounced. That guy is six 1:14:16.240 --> 1:14:18.640 foot six, two hundred and seven pounds. He bounced right 1:14:18.680 --> 1:14:20.760 off of him and scored a touchdown. You have to 1:14:20.800 --> 1:14:23.720 be able to discern in those moments. Okay, it's not 1:14:23.800 --> 1:14:27.040 about the big hit here. It's about tackling clock running 1:14:27.280 --> 1:14:29.840 and giving ourselves a chance to win. The Bengals have 1:14:29.920 --> 1:14:33.240 too many players like that, and unfortunately, you know, I 1:14:33.280 --> 1:14:35.040 know the reports coming out of the locker room of 1:14:35.720 --> 1:14:37.960 the laughing and we'll see you guys on Monday. I 1:14:38.000 --> 1:14:40.479 need a little bit more context on that. I would 1:14:40.479 --> 1:14:42.719 like to have some more contexts because the other people 1:14:42.720 --> 1:14:45.479 that cover the Bengals, nobody really said that. It really 1:14:45.479 --> 1:14:48.880 came from Trags, and I appreciate Trags saying that. I 1:14:48.920 --> 1:14:52.720 want to know more about what was asked of them. 1:14:52.920 --> 1:14:56.080 How was that asked of them? Either way, it's soft 1:14:56.479 --> 1:14:58.800 not to speak to the media after a loss. You 1:14:58.840 --> 1:15:01.599 mentioned Jamar Chase does it, Chase Brown does it, Joe 1:15:01.600 --> 1:15:04.639 Flacco does it, Zach Taylor does it? Those are grown men. 1:15:04.720 --> 1:15:06.760 Those are leaders on the team. They don't laugh it 1:15:06.840 --> 1:15:09.719 off and say we'll see you guys on Monday. 1:15:09.880 --> 1:15:10.200 I'm not. 1:15:10.800 --> 1:15:13.040 I don't assume that they thought it was funny that 1:15:13.080 --> 1:15:15.400 they lost. I think they thought it was funny that 1:15:15.439 --> 1:15:17.760 the reporters wanted to talk to him. And that's an 1:15:17.800 --> 1:15:20.080 issue and again a sign of immature. 1:15:19.800 --> 1:15:23.679 When you see that conflict, right, it's the dichotomy between 1:15:23.760 --> 1:15:28.120 that attitude and literally guys in the offense grown animals 1:15:28.160 --> 1:15:31.120 crying and how angry they are that that could possibly happen. 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:33.519 That they show so well, that Joe Flacco played so 1:15:33.800 --> 1:15:37.240 incredibly well, yeah, that they allow that to occur and 1:15:37.240 --> 1:15:39.880 think it's funny, think it's okay. There's no accountability now, 1:15:40.840 --> 1:15:43.560 defensive players not asking questions and duck in the media. 1:15:43.640 --> 1:15:46.200 At what point do we call accountability for Duke Toben 1:15:46.240 --> 1:15:49.880 and we come and go, hey, listen, I said this earlier, James, Like, 1:15:49.920 --> 1:15:53.000 no one in Cincinnati say maybe you Dawson, and people 1:15:53.080 --> 1:15:55.000 followus real closely. You wouldn't know what that guy look 1:15:55.040 --> 1:15:57.120 like down the street. There's plenty of general manager's player 1:15:57.120 --> 1:15:58.960 personal guys that are accountable will come on and talk 1:15:59.000 --> 1:16:01.320 to me to we don't hear anything about that. It 1:16:01.640 --> 1:16:04.280 seems to be important and they're not doing it. But 1:16:04.280 --> 1:16:06.600 that then that tells you, Okay, well, how much is 1:16:06.640 --> 1:16:08.080 it on him? I'd love to hear his side of this, 1:16:08.160 --> 1:16:10.200 but yeah, they don't get that out. He doesn't talk, 1:16:10.240 --> 1:16:12.559 he doesn't want to talk. The Bengals protect him from talking, 1:16:12.960 --> 1:16:14.840 and he needs to be relieved of his duties. He's 1:16:14.840 --> 1:16:19.040 been here since nineteen ninety nine and really the vast 1:16:19.040 --> 1:16:22.080 majority of his success has come when they're picking inside 1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:24.559 the top ten, which anybody can pick those players, anybody 1:16:24.600 --> 1:16:26.840 can pick Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, And a lot 1:16:26.840 --> 1:16:28.799 of it also came at the hands of Marvin Lewis, 1:16:28.800 --> 1:16:32.800 who had a really good staff that built player scouts 1:16:32.800 --> 1:16:35.040 and development people that were really really good at it. 1:16:35.040 --> 1:16:36.960 And that was one of Marvin's strengths. He was able 1:16:37.040 --> 1:16:39.080 to get the most out of what he had. And 1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:42.240 outside of that, Duke Tobin hasn't really done very much 1:16:42.240 --> 1:16:45.160 at all. Now they've expanded their scouting department, they've expanded 1:16:45.200 --> 1:16:48.919 their research that they have gotten bigger in that regard, 1:16:49.080 --> 1:16:52.160 but it feels like they're going backwards when it comes 1:16:52.160 --> 1:16:55.240 to how they're building a team. They did nothing. Duke 1:16:55.320 --> 1:16:59.280 Tobin did nothing about the safety position. And what has 1:16:59.320 --> 1:17:01.760 been the biggest on this defense so far this year, 1:17:02.080 --> 1:17:04.960 it's been those two safeties, Jordan Battle and Geno Stone. 1:17:05.240 --> 1:17:08.120 It also goes back to Jesse Bates. This team hasn't 1:17:08.120 --> 1:17:10.400 made the playoffs since Jesse Bates left. Yeah, and they've 1:17:10.439 --> 1:17:12.639 tried to replace him with Dax Hill. That didn't work. 1:17:13.160 --> 1:17:16.639 So Duke Tobin needs to be in the crossairs. Duke 1:17:16.760 --> 1:17:19.759 Tobin should be fired. He should not have a job. 1:17:20.200 --> 1:17:22.360 And that is easy for me to say, It's easy 1:17:22.400 --> 1:17:24.800 for anybody who watches this team and understands this team 1:17:25.000 --> 1:17:27.599 and has a brain between their ear holes that Duke 1:17:27.680 --> 1:17:30.640 Tobin should no longer be employed. But he feels so 1:17:30.840 --> 1:17:34.240 insulated within the organization because he's been there since nineteen 1:17:34.320 --> 1:17:37.760 ninety nine that calling for his head or having those 1:17:37.800 --> 1:17:43.840 conversations seem pointless. That's a problem for this organization. 1:17:43.880 --> 1:17:46.280 What led to another record, but what led to Marvin 1:17:46.320 --> 1:17:49.439 lewis being related to duties. I think the team ownership 1:17:49.439 --> 1:17:51.800 felt it so much from the fan base sure that 1:17:52.040 --> 1:17:53.599 they had to make a change, and I think at 1:17:53.600 --> 1:17:56.280 the time mister Brown said Mike Brown said, I didn't 1:17:56.280 --> 1:17:57.840 want to do this, We really didn't want to. But 1:17:59.120 --> 1:18:00.760 you feel the same contact are worse. 1:18:01.040 --> 1:18:05.439 I do, and I think that the presence of Elizabeth 1:18:05.479 --> 1:18:09.960 Blackburn in that organization and the other daughter, Caroline Blackburn, 1:18:10.680 --> 1:18:14.400 I think those two have more pull than they've ever 1:18:14.439 --> 1:18:19.280 had before, and they care deeply about the external view 1:18:19.320 --> 1:18:22.719 of the Bengals. Yeah, they care about what people think, 1:18:22.800 --> 1:18:25.840 and they should NFL team should care about what their 1:18:25.880 --> 1:18:29.280 fans think. Do I think that's enough to sway Mike 1:18:29.320 --> 1:18:32.639 Brown and Katie Probably not, But I do think they 1:18:32.640 --> 1:18:34.360 have a seat at the table, and I do think 1:18:34.439 --> 1:18:36.800 that matters now. Part of the reason also that Marvi 1:18:36.920 --> 1:18:39.280 ended up getting canned is they had about three drafts 1:18:39.320 --> 1:18:41.200 in a row where they missed on a lot of 1:18:41.200 --> 1:18:45.080 players familiar, and that's exactly what's happening here as well. 1:18:45.400 --> 1:18:48.599 They've missed and they've set themselves back years and years, 1:18:49.080 --> 1:18:51.760 and so it might be time now. Listen, if you 1:18:51.800 --> 1:18:54.639 fire Al Golden today, I think that's the right move 1:18:54.720 --> 1:18:56.960 because he's not doing a good enough job with this group. 1:18:57.360 --> 1:18:59.760 But also there's a bunch of bad players on this 1:18:59.800 --> 1:19:03.559 grip and it's not really going to change anything look 1:19:03.600 --> 1:19:04.360 at that, I would right. 1:19:04.720 --> 1:19:06.920 I made this point of lou Anaromo goes to Indy, 1:19:07.200 --> 1:19:09.960 gets shown the door, having a great year in Indianapolis. 1:19:10.120 --> 1:19:11.960 I mean they lost the package that they are lost 1:19:12.000 --> 1:19:14.160 to the Steelers yesterday, but okay, they're having a good 1:19:14.200 --> 1:19:16.599 season with lou Anarumo. What does that tell you about 1:19:16.640 --> 1:19:18.880 this defense? He leaves, they put Al Golden in and 1:19:18.920 --> 1:19:22.120 the defense arguably got worse. How much do you I 1:19:22.120 --> 1:19:24.040 don't hang much of this on Al Golden because it's 1:19:24.040 --> 1:19:26.200 a small sample size. I think it's what we're talking about. 1:19:26.200 --> 1:19:28.360 What's the one consonan It's the personnel that you're getting 1:19:28.360 --> 1:19:31.040 in there. It's the Bengals going to put an all 1:19:31.080 --> 1:19:35.879 world record up for allowing hours after hit initial contact. 1:19:35.880 --> 1:19:37.640 It's why they're like eight hundred yards now after the 1:19:37.640 --> 1:19:41.960 first context. It's insane numbers. And and also Zach Taylor, 1:19:42.240 --> 1:19:43.720 how much of the how much you should be on 1:19:43.800 --> 1:19:46.160 head coach Ac Taylor? Granted he runs the offense. Offense 1:19:46.280 --> 1:19:48.000 is fine. So I don't know if I have the 1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:50.519 beef with Zach or Al Golden as much as I 1:19:50.600 --> 1:19:51.280 did Duke Topin. 1:19:51.320 --> 1:19:55.320 I yes, everybody, the most beef should absolutely go to 1:19:55.479 --> 1:19:59.000 Duke Topin, let's let's not let's not forget about that. However, 1:19:59.240 --> 1:20:01.160 if you operate on to the assumption that Duke is 1:20:01.200 --> 1:20:03.519 insulated from criticism, which he is. They don't let him 1:20:03.560 --> 1:20:05.559 talk to the media, he doesn't do any of that, 1:20:05.880 --> 1:20:07.680 and so you have to kind of operate from the 1:20:07.800 --> 1:20:10.240 idea that Duke Tobin's not going to be relieved of 1:20:10.240 --> 1:20:12.880 his duties. I look at the defense and I say, 1:20:13.080 --> 1:20:15.679 Al Golden has not done a good enough job putting 1:20:15.680 --> 1:20:17.760 his guys in position. And I think back as an 1:20:17.760 --> 1:20:21.000 Ohio State fan to the National Championship Game. Biggest play 1:20:21.040 --> 1:20:24.439 of the game, third down. He goes one on one 1:20:24.479 --> 1:20:27.200 with the best football player in the country, Jeremiah Smith, 1:20:27.360 --> 1:20:29.519 cooks his cornerback catches the ball. 1:20:29.560 --> 1:20:31.040 Ohio State wins the championship. 1:20:31.200 --> 1:20:33.439 That was a stupid play call by Al Golden the 1:20:33.520 --> 1:20:36.599 National Championship Game. There have been stupid play calls by 1:20:36.600 --> 1:20:39.760 Al Golden as a defensive coordinator this year. Is it 1:20:39.840 --> 1:20:41.680 all his fault? No, because there are a bunch of 1:20:41.680 --> 1:20:45.519 bad players. I think eventually all roads lead back to 1:20:45.600 --> 1:20:49.160 Zach Taylor. This was Zach's guy, right, Zach hired Al 1:20:49.200 --> 1:20:52.880 Golden his buddy, his neighbor, his guy who was here previously, 1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:56.920 the continuity and the familiarity of previously. I think that's 1:20:56.960 --> 1:20:59.600 a Zach Taylor issue. I think Zach has struggled to 1:20:59.640 --> 1:21:02.799 find the right position coaches at times over the years, 1:21:03.200 --> 1:21:05.439 and that has had a negative impact on scouting and 1:21:05.479 --> 1:21:08.200 development because of the weight that is put on Bengals coaches, 1:21:08.200 --> 1:21:12.599 specifically in this organization. And I think eventually all roads 1:21:12.680 --> 1:21:15.240 lead back to Zach Taylor, and he has failed to 1:21:15.320 --> 1:21:18.360 build a defensive staff because again, think about it, Zach 1:21:18.520 --> 1:21:20.719 delegates mostly everything on defense. 1:21:20.920 --> 1:21:21.439 He's done. 1:21:21.560 --> 1:21:23.559 I think you could make the argument this is one 1:21:23.600 --> 1:21:28.880 of the most impressive offensive coaching seasons of Taylor down ye, 1:21:29.040 --> 1:21:33.879 incredibly impressive, but he delegates basically everything to the defensive 1:21:33.880 --> 1:21:36.160 side of the ball. Louis Arumo was basically the head 1:21:36.160 --> 1:21:39.920 coach last year on defense, right, Yeah, and that's fine. 1:21:40.000 --> 1:21:42.519 People do that across the league all the time. But 1:21:42.640 --> 1:21:45.400 there is not a respect or an appreciation for Al 1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:48.080 Golden like there was for lou Ana Arumo. It started 1:21:48.120 --> 1:21:50.120 to be a mutiny last year where guys were turning 1:21:50.160 --> 1:21:53.320 on lou The organization saw the disconnect, so they kind 1:21:53.320 --> 1:21:56.360 of scaped. Goat lou Well, now you're starting to figure 1:21:56.360 --> 1:21:58.479 out maybe it's actually the players on the team, right, You. 1:21:58.439 --> 1:22:00.120 Fire Al Golden and get somebody else in and you 1:22:00.160 --> 1:22:02.479 get the same result that what Yeah, And again that 1:22:02.640 --> 1:22:05.840 finger points back to Duke Tobin, right, but it also 1:22:05.880 --> 1:22:08.280 points back to Zach Taylor because these are his guys 1:22:08.280 --> 1:22:10.360 and his coaches, and he has to say in all 1:22:10.400 --> 1:22:12.320 of that as well, all right, I don't I don't 1:22:12.520 --> 1:22:15.840 like It's they have come to a point where you 1:22:15.960 --> 1:22:19.800 have five years left basically in the Burrow era, and 1:22:20.439 --> 1:22:23.519 they have gone through the last six years basically of failure, 1:22:24.880 --> 1:22:26.040 two really good seasons. 1:22:26.600 --> 1:22:29.360 Burrow's been hurt a lot. You have five years left 1:22:29.640 --> 1:22:32.000 in the NFL. Five years is the blink of an eye, 1:22:32.080 --> 1:22:34.760 It really is. You have to clean house now and 1:22:34.800 --> 1:22:36.840 try to build this thing up so you have at 1:22:36.920 --> 1:22:39.680 least a chance at the end of this thing over 1:22:39.720 --> 1:22:41.280 the next five ye and keep Burrow healthy. 1:22:41.320 --> 1:22:43.240 Because it's not just that, it's also what the on 1:22:43.360 --> 1:22:45.599 line is doing. Of course, you mentioned safety and defense, 1:22:45.640 --> 1:22:48.280 and it's there's this is not like a ay off season, 1:22:48.280 --> 1:22:50.200 we'll get it squared away. It should have been addressed 1:22:50.240 --> 1:22:52.400 this year in the upcoming season, and now you pushed 1:22:52.400 --> 1:22:55.559 all that back, and how much longer has that reduced 1:22:55.560 --> 1:22:57.120 that window? Because now you've got to do it over 1:22:57.200 --> 1:22:59.000 maybe the next two seasons, right, correct, You're not gonna 1:22:59.000 --> 1:23:01.120 do this in one. Yeah, I'm right there with you, 1:23:01.120 --> 1:23:03.120 which again tells me why you need to start thinking 1:23:03.160 --> 1:23:06.960 ahead right now, which means trade Tree, Hendrickson, trade Logan Wilson, 1:23:07.000 --> 1:23:10.400 trade anybody, you can trade, stockpiled draft picks, maybe use 1:23:10.479 --> 1:23:12.080 that in the offseason to go and get some other 1:23:12.200 --> 1:23:16.719 better players. They're looking at sixty five to seventy million 1:23:16.800 --> 1:23:20.479 dollars in cap space next year, which is certainly doable. 1:23:21.280 --> 1:23:23.280 You can turn things around with that amount of money. 1:23:23.439 --> 1:23:25.200 I know everybody wants to think that they're broke because 1:23:25.240 --> 1:23:27.360 of Joe Burrow and Jamar Chasen t against. Oh, by 1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:30.400 the way, the restructuring for Joe Burrow's contracts haven't even 1:23:30.479 --> 1:23:33.200 hit yet, so you can expand that money even more so. 1:23:33.439 --> 1:23:35.600 I do think you can turn it around quickly. I 1:23:35.600 --> 1:23:37.040 don't know that you can turn it all around in 1:23:37.040 --> 1:23:39.479 a year. But again, one of the talking points coming 1:23:39.520 --> 1:23:41.559 into this season was can they go from the thirty 1:23:41.560 --> 1:23:44.760 first ranked defense to the twentieth and if they do, 1:23:45.280 --> 1:23:49.880 guess what, they're probably six and two right now. If 1:23:49.920 --> 1:23:52.800 they had the twentieth ranked defense in the NFL, they 1:23:52.840 --> 1:23:54.040 would probably be six and two. 1:23:54.080 --> 1:23:56.960 But instead of thirty one, you're thirty two. Correct one 1:23:57.120 --> 1:23:57.800 thing wrong way. 1:23:57.880 --> 1:23:59.960 One thing the Bengals have always taught us over the years, 1:24:00.040 --> 1:24:01.519 God is that it can always get work. 1:24:02.280 --> 1:24:05.160 Now, so I can't get worse because there's not thirty 1:24:05.200 --> 1:24:10.240 three teams. Well maybe, but like that's where we're at, 1:24:10.360 --> 1:24:13.439 and so you have to, like starting today, start looking 1:24:13.479 --> 1:24:15.680 about looking to next year and the year after and 1:24:15.720 --> 1:24:17.840 the year after that, real quick. Austin Nolmore from esp 1:24:17.920 --> 1:24:21.719 in fifteen thirty. Can you do that without? Because two things? 1:24:22.280 --> 1:24:24.200 You fire Al Golden, Let's say that happened. They're doing 1:24:24.240 --> 1:24:27.400 that right now, Okay, okay, sory a fire Duke Tobin. 1:24:28.320 --> 1:24:30.640 Do you need him to unload players? Do you need 1:24:30.720 --> 1:24:32.760 him to stock draft picked? I don't think you do. 1:24:32.760 --> 1:24:35.720 Do you wait until Wednesday? I don't think you do. 1:24:35.840 --> 1:24:37.680 I think there are people in that building that are 1:24:37.680 --> 1:24:40.200 absolutely capable of doing that. Number One, Katie can do 1:24:40.240 --> 1:24:42.000 it if she needed to, because she did it for 1:24:42.040 --> 1:24:45.640 a long time. Andrew Johnson has been in that organization 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:48.639 for a long time. He's a scouting executive, Trey Brown, 1:24:48.680 --> 1:24:52.080 who is multiple times interviewed for GM positions across the league. 1:24:52.080 --> 1:24:54.479 He might make the most sense as the internal candidate 1:24:54.560 --> 1:24:57.080 to promote if you wanted to do that. Now, I 1:24:57.120 --> 1:24:59.439 think they should go external. But there are people in 1:24:59.479 --> 1:25:01.679 that organization that can absolut and Mike was the GM 1:25:01.760 --> 1:25:04.200 for years. Mike can do it as well. Again, I'm 1:25:04.200 --> 1:25:06.280 talking about just offloading players now. I don't know if 1:25:06.320 --> 1:25:09.160 I want the building, the future the franchise in those hands. 1:25:09.600 --> 1:25:11.000 But if you're moving on. 1:25:11.000 --> 1:25:14.360 But listen, Dukes and everybody's on the table, well pretty 1:25:14.400 --> 1:25:18.360 much everybody on the defense on the defense, Yeah, who's 1:25:18.360 --> 1:25:18.840 off table? 1:25:20.080 --> 1:25:25.160 Uh? Nobody? Maybe DJ Turner d good. Yesterday Romo Dunes. 1:25:25.200 --> 1:25:27.559 They had zero catches for zero yards. He had one 1:25:27.640 --> 1:25:29.439 catch that he could have been a touchdown. Guess who 1:25:29.439 --> 1:25:32.759 was covering him, Geno Stone, not DJ Turner. You build 1:25:32.800 --> 1:25:35.640 around DJ Turner. You're still open to the idea of 1:25:35.640 --> 1:25:38.679 building around Shamar Stewart's only eight games into his career 1:25:39.560 --> 1:25:41.640 and played that much. But yeah, Trey Hendrickson is a 1:25:41.640 --> 1:25:44.600 perfect example. Trey Hendrickson is here right now because the 1:25:44.600 --> 1:25:46.559 Bengals for some reason, thought they could win the super 1:25:46.560 --> 1:25:49.479 Bowl this year. That's the only reason who's here. They 1:25:49.560 --> 1:25:51.439 basically told him to his face, we don't believe in 1:25:51.479 --> 1:25:53.200 you moving forward. We think you're gonna get older, you 1:25:53.200 --> 1:25:54.880 think you're gonna get a hurt. We're not believing it. 1:25:54.880 --> 1:25:56.719 And Bengals have a long history of that. When guys 1:25:56.720 --> 1:25:59.679 turned thirty and they said we want you back because 1:25:59.680 --> 1:26:01.360 we think who can win the super Bowl this year? 1:26:01.400 --> 1:26:04.840 Well that's gone. It's over that, that hope is no 1:26:04.960 --> 1:26:07.920 longer with the team. Get as much as you can now, 1:26:08.160 --> 1:26:09.360 I'm real quickly. 1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:12.240 We only got seconds likelihood that this summon goes since 1:26:12.400 --> 1:26:16.240 Duke Tobin, al Golden, Zach Taylor all three two to three? 1:26:16.800 --> 1:26:18.719 Does it happen? Uh? Today? 1:26:19.080 --> 1:26:21.519 No, I don't think it happened. What about Wednesday? No, 1:26:21.760 --> 1:26:23.439 I don't think it's going to happen during the season. 1:26:24.240 --> 1:26:25.280 That's something else right there. 1:26:25.320 --> 1:26:27.240 I agree. And you're out trying to sell season tickets 1:26:27.280 --> 1:26:29.760 too with a higher price. Yeah, good luck, good luck 1:26:29.800 --> 1:26:31.360 with that, and then good luck. 1:26:31.479 --> 1:26:34.439 I would be shocked if there were any in season moves, 1:26:34.560 --> 1:26:37.040 just because I know how this organization operates. 1:26:37.439 --> 1:26:39.439 I don't expect it at all. More on this and 1:26:39.479 --> 1:26:41.720 we'll see what happens. Austin and Tony at Newon on 1:26:41.920 --> 1:26:44.240 ESPN fifty thirty appreciation, Thank you, We'll do news and 1:26:44.439 --> 1:26:47.639 Council member Seth Walschnez check out my Facebook and X page. 1:26:47.880 --> 1:26:51.280 Absolutely shocking what happened after the shooting in OTR. That's 1:26:51.320 --> 1:26:55.160 next seven hundred horrible weekend in Cincinnati, not only the 1:26:55.200 --> 1:26:57.800 football field, but of course with violent seven people shot 1:26:57.840 --> 1:27:00.800 and two different shootings over the weekend and carthage and 1:27:00.840 --> 1:27:04.360 two locations there one person dead and then a handful 1:27:04.439 --> 1:27:07.439 of people shot in OTR outside of nightclub out there 1:27:07.479 --> 1:27:10.960 inside of Privy, which is literally steps away from Ryan Geist. 1:27:11.000 --> 1:27:13.400 I just posted this on my Facebook feed at Scott 1:27:13.439 --> 1:27:16.960 Sloan and at X at Scott Sloan video shared with 1:27:17.000 --> 1:27:19.080 me that shows the day after the morning after the 1:27:19.120 --> 1:27:22.280 shooting in OTR, a gun was found in the grass 1:27:22.320 --> 1:27:24.120 right across from seat. How do you miss a gun 1:27:24.160 --> 1:27:26.599 in the grass across the street unless it was maybe 1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:28.519 thrown there after? But I don't know why to do that. Well, 1:27:28.560 --> 1:27:31.960 there's cops and crime scene tape up. If you want 1:27:32.000 --> 1:27:34.639 to see it, go there. It's just a horrific look 1:27:34.640 --> 1:27:36.439 for our city, and we don't need any more bad 1:27:36.479 --> 1:27:38.679 looks these days, for sure. Joining the show this morning 1:27:38.680 --> 1:27:41.599 on seven hundred WLW about the shootings and of course 1:27:41.640 --> 1:27:44.439 what happened on Friday with the video releasing showing that 1:27:44.479 --> 1:27:46.320 the city got it all wrong, and who was the 1:27:46.479 --> 1:27:49.960 aggressor in the July twenty sixth brawl downtown. That would 1:27:49.960 --> 1:27:52.760 be concole member Seth Walsh back again on the Big One, Seth, 1:27:52.800 --> 1:27:59.439 Good morning, Yeah, horrible weekend in Cincinnati. How much does 1:27:59.479 --> 1:28:02.120 it Well, we'll start with us. You're out campaigning, are 1:28:02.160 --> 1:28:04.759 on the streets, You're out on the streets this weekend. 1:28:05.640 --> 1:28:07.920 Have we become just simply numb to the steady drum 1:28:07.960 --> 1:28:09.679 beat of this kind of violence? I mean, seven shot 1:28:09.680 --> 1:28:10.679 in one weekends a lot. 1:28:12.720 --> 1:28:13.360 It is a lot. 1:28:13.960 --> 1:28:16.439 I don't think we've gotten numb to it. I certainly haven't. 1:28:16.880 --> 1:28:20.639 I'm pretty furious this morning yesterday when when I heard 1:28:20.640 --> 1:28:23.760 the news, I mean, especially the violence that we saw 1:28:23.760 --> 1:28:25.680 outside of Privy. I mean that was something that in 1:28:25.680 --> 1:28:29.160 my opinion, was incredibly preventable and frankly, something that I've 1:28:29.200 --> 1:28:33.599 been raising concerns about since April and the city didn't 1:28:33.640 --> 1:28:37.439 step in and solve it, and we have to do better. 1:28:38.160 --> 1:28:40.720 This is just it's an unacceptable position for us to 1:28:40.720 --> 1:28:43.120 be sitting as in the city having this conversation today, 1:28:43.680 --> 1:28:45.400 knowing what we knew going into this weekend. 1:28:45.800 --> 1:28:49.120 So this is the OTR shooting in particular, it was 1:28:49.360 --> 1:28:51.240 used to be pash Events I think was event Center 1:28:51.280 --> 1:28:53.680 and now it's Privy Nightclub. And it looks like, you know, 1:28:53.880 --> 1:28:56.000 they got the velvet rope up if that's you're seene, 1:28:56.560 --> 1:28:58.920 got security guards, I guess armed security there the velvet 1:28:59.000 --> 1:29:00.920 rope they wand you before getting out of the club. 1:29:01.560 --> 1:29:04.320 Allegedly what caused that was someone was turned away at 1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:07.120 the door for whatever reason. The video I just shared 1:29:07.120 --> 1:29:09.439 on my social feed at x and at Facebook at 1:29:09.439 --> 1:29:13.240 Scott Sloan shows a gun across the street from where 1:29:13.280 --> 1:29:15.840 the police were hours earlier following the shooting. This would 1:29:15.840 --> 1:29:17.759 have been Sunday morning. The shooting happened about one o'clock 1:29:17.800 --> 1:29:20.000 Saturday night, so there's a gun laying in the grass 1:29:20.000 --> 1:29:22.439 the next morning. Horrible look for the city. What do 1:29:22.479 --> 1:29:25.000 you understand happened and what's the latest that you're hearing 1:29:25.320 --> 1:29:27.320 from the administration? Are those you talk to Seth. 1:29:29.080 --> 1:29:32.719 Honestly, what you just talked about is you know almost 1:29:32.800 --> 1:29:34.080 more than what I've known. 1:29:34.200 --> 1:29:34.519 Okay. 1:29:35.439 --> 1:29:38.160 I reached out yesterday when I saw the news, and 1:29:38.240 --> 1:29:40.599 I have not been given any update on the situation 1:29:40.680 --> 1:29:43.680 and what occurred, which is incredibly frustrating because you know, 1:29:43.760 --> 1:29:46.320 like I said, you know the bar itself. You know, 1:29:46.320 --> 1:29:49.080 as you listed, they are doing things. To be correct, 1:29:49.160 --> 1:29:52.240 I'm trying to prevent instance from happening, but we have 1:29:52.320 --> 1:29:54.799 had a number of quality of life issues and concerns 1:29:54.840 --> 1:29:58.400 ories about them literally for six months now, and it 1:29:58.479 --> 1:30:01.920 seems to just continually asked, waited one way or another, 1:30:02.520 --> 1:30:04.920 not usually within the club, but you know, from an 1:30:04.920 --> 1:30:08.240 impact outside of it, and the fact of the city, 1:30:09.040 --> 1:30:12.400 you know, I think giving me more information concerns me frankly, Yeah. 1:30:12.400 --> 1:30:14.040 I mean you have ryan Geist right around the corner, 1:30:14.080 --> 1:30:16.519 that's a huge operation. Never any problems there. But we 1:30:16.560 --> 1:30:19.280 have clubs like this where the clientele is, I don't know, 1:30:19.720 --> 1:30:21.840 for whatever reason, feel that they've got to carry a 1:30:21.840 --> 1:30:23.600 gun with them, which is why I have harm security. 1:30:23.640 --> 1:30:25.840 And personally, I walked to and I'm I and I've 1:30:25.840 --> 1:30:27.120 been this way for a while, but as an old 1:30:27.120 --> 1:30:29.479 man now Seth. I don't know about you. As a young man. 1:30:30.160 --> 1:30:31.640 If I go to a place and they pull a 1:30:31.680 --> 1:30:33.320 wand to wand me metal detect or, I go to 1:30:33.320 --> 1:30:35.360 the metal detector getting the club, I'm not going to 1:30:35.400 --> 1:30:36.200 go in that bar. 1:30:38.040 --> 1:30:40.479 Well, And I think that's part of the objectives of 1:30:40.520 --> 1:30:42.559 the bar was to make sure people knew that that 1:30:42.720 --> 1:30:46.120 wasn't something they were going to tolerate. Obviously, this weekend 1:30:46.120 --> 1:30:48.920 shows that, you know, that's type clientele still was coming 1:30:49.000 --> 1:30:54.920 and results in in a horrible, this horrible tragedy. Also, 1:30:54.960 --> 1:30:56.559 I mean it is literally right across from I guess, 1:30:56.600 --> 1:30:59.519 and so it's it's a very important part of the 1:30:59.560 --> 1:31:02.240 city where the redevelopment efforts have happened and what we're 1:31:02.280 --> 1:31:05.000 trying to work on. We have to find a way 1:31:06.000 --> 1:31:10.680 our owners, they have a lot of responsibility, but we 1:31:10.720 --> 1:31:14.439 can't continually have these impacts where just because they don't 1:31:14.520 --> 1:31:16.520 enter the establishment, they're trying to come to the establishment 1:31:16.640 --> 1:31:20.240 and it's resulting in violence or car breakings after they've 1:31:20.320 --> 1:31:23.000 left your establishment. At some point we have to start saying, 1:31:23.040 --> 1:31:24.880 like we all have to be holding each other accountable here. 1:31:24.880 --> 1:31:27.000 This is not a one off incident. When when these 1:31:27.080 --> 1:31:30.840 quality of life incidents are just ramping up. What do 1:31:30.880 --> 1:31:33.400 we do to cool it down and make it something 1:31:33.439 --> 1:31:36.040 that it's safe for everybody to go there, because we 1:31:36.040 --> 1:31:38.120 should not have had this violent incident this weekend. 1:31:38.280 --> 1:31:40.559 Yeah, well, there wasn't a food truck anywhere around, was there, 1:31:40.600 --> 1:31:43.200 because apparently that's what's causing the violence. 1:31:44.840 --> 1:31:45.200 I don't. 1:31:45.240 --> 1:31:45.559 I don't. 1:31:45.600 --> 1:31:47.160 I mean, I've never seen a food truck up there, 1:31:47.160 --> 1:31:49.719 but that I don't go up to Ryan guys often enough. 1:31:49.840 --> 1:31:51.880 So sy comment on, well, thank god we got the 1:31:51.920 --> 1:31:54.120 food truck band because I don't know how this is happening. 1:31:54.160 --> 1:31:57.519 If that we have to investigate that. But nonetheless Seth 1:31:57.560 --> 1:32:00.000 walshon and but that's just the ridiculous of the response. 1:32:00.400 --> 1:32:02.120 We you know, we've often talked that you've talked about 1:32:02.160 --> 1:32:04.040 this before. Is all right if it's a if it's 1:32:04.080 --> 1:32:05.880 a known trouble spot. We talked about the hookah bars 1:32:05.880 --> 1:32:09.200 and hookah lounges, and there's there's some bars and places 1:32:09.200 --> 1:32:11.200 they have multiple service calls there and there's still in 1:32:11.240 --> 1:32:13.840 operation a number of places like that in Roselawn. But 1:32:14.080 --> 1:32:16.280 this is an OTR. This isnt the the heartbeat of 1:32:16.320 --> 1:32:19.840 the entertainment area of Cincinnati. Uh, you've got Halloween weekend, 1:32:19.840 --> 1:32:21.439 You've got a lot of revelers out there, and then 1:32:21.479 --> 1:32:24.559 this kind of nonsense goes down. Uh, And you know, 1:32:24.560 --> 1:32:26.200 I may face it, there's you see students in the 1:32:26.360 --> 1:32:28.680 like they don't feel safe. I've known some parents for 1:32:29.600 --> 1:32:31.559 a while now that every time something like this happens, 1:32:31.560 --> 1:32:33.240 they wring their hands, going, I wonder if I should 1:32:33.280 --> 1:32:36.200 allow my kid to continue going to UC. And that's 1:32:36.240 --> 1:32:38.760 you know, around the Clifton campus obviously. So it's a 1:32:38.800 --> 1:32:41.680 much bigger problem than that relative to this level of 1:32:41.720 --> 1:32:44.240 violence that we're looking at, and this this seven shootings 1:32:44.240 --> 1:32:45.880 over the weekend. We'll get to the Carthage one in 1:32:45.960 --> 1:32:49.639 just a second. Here. Have we been proactive enough about 1:32:49.640 --> 1:32:52.040 going after liquor license? I know that the state and 1:32:52.160 --> 1:32:55.040 Mike DeWine, Governor de Wine offered the services of the 1:32:55.080 --> 1:32:57.320 Ohio State Highway Patrol as well as liquor Control to 1:32:57.320 --> 1:32:59.920 come and to start going after these establishments. There's all 1:33:00.000 --> 1:33:03.800 a lot of problems. Has the administration accepted that and 1:33:03.840 --> 1:33:06.960 leaned into what because I know there's troopers coming down 1:33:06.960 --> 1:33:09.160 like I don't know, one weekend a month or something 1:33:09.240 --> 1:33:11.640 like that, Like it's the national. I could say the reservists, 1:33:12.160 --> 1:33:14.800 but what about liquor control? Have we leaned into that? 1:33:16.880 --> 1:33:19.000 In my opinion, no, I don't think. I don't think 1:33:19.000 --> 1:33:23.760 we take this series enough. And the reason I keep 1:33:23.760 --> 1:33:26.040 talking about quality of life issues is because those are 1:33:26.200 --> 1:33:28.000 you know, it's a broken window theories that is the 1:33:28.120 --> 1:33:31.559 opening point to when things start to escalate. If we 1:33:31.600 --> 1:33:35.200 don't step in when it's just a noise nuisance, then 1:33:35.240 --> 1:33:36.800 also you get tar break ins and then you get 1:33:36.840 --> 1:33:41.320 to violence. A lot of the situations that I've personally 1:33:41.360 --> 1:33:43.880 been briefed on over the summer, it seems like there 1:33:43.920 --> 1:33:46.519 were these warning signs and red flags that lead to 1:33:47.040 --> 1:33:49.439 the incident ultimately happening, that we were like, oh man, 1:33:49.439 --> 1:33:51.360 who could have seen this coming? Well, the quality of 1:33:51.400 --> 1:33:53.360 life issues certainly gave us a good sign that we 1:33:53.360 --> 1:33:55.040 should intervene earlier. 1:33:55.280 --> 1:33:55.840 In this case. 1:33:55.880 --> 1:33:58.960 In particular, what frustrates me is that as a member 1:33:58.960 --> 1:34:01.240 of Sincinet City Council and I've personally told the city 1:34:01.280 --> 1:34:04.000 manager about my concerns around that bar and that establishment 1:34:04.320 --> 1:34:08.519 and the results, and I warned that this was a 1:34:08.560 --> 1:34:11.320 tragedy that I was worried would happen, and it still 1:34:11.360 --> 1:34:14.400 happened because we didn't step in aggressively enough to make 1:34:14.400 --> 1:34:17.240 sure that it did not happen. I'm not saying the 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:19.400 bar owner wasn't working with us, but I'm saying that 1:34:19.760 --> 1:34:22.439 I was continually getting complaints and concerns about this corner 1:34:22.479 --> 1:34:26.400 almost every week for the last six months, and yet 1:34:26.720 --> 1:34:28.479 we were going to act like we didn't know that 1:34:28.560 --> 1:34:30.880 this is going to happen. How many more times is 1:34:30.920 --> 1:34:32.720 that is that going to be acceptable? 1:34:33.320 --> 1:34:34.400 When we started the. 1:34:34.360 --> 1:34:36.639 Revitalization of over the Round in downtown, if you look 1:34:36.640 --> 1:34:38.160 at that plan in two thousand and two, one of 1:34:38.160 --> 1:34:40.599 the biggest things they said was zero tolerance on crime. 1:34:41.080 --> 1:34:43.000 And I'm not saying we have to get to that stage, 1:34:43.000 --> 1:34:45.040 but I am saying the quality of life matters, and 1:34:45.080 --> 1:34:47.280 it is an indicator when we start ignoring it or 1:34:47.400 --> 1:34:49.719 not being aggressive enough on that to shut it down, 1:34:50.560 --> 1:34:53.720 it does lead to worse and worse actions and indications. 1:34:54.200 --> 1:34:56.360 We hope that they never get to this stage of violence, 1:34:56.439 --> 1:35:00.560 but as we saw this weekend, it did. Everybody is 1:35:00.600 --> 1:35:02.639 responsible for that, from the city manager to the bar 1:35:02.720 --> 1:35:04.160 owners and the people that are going in and out 1:35:04.160 --> 1:35:07.080 of these establishments. But I personally think that the city 1:35:07.120 --> 1:35:09.200 and I hold the city manager accountable on this. I'm 1:35:09.240 --> 1:35:12.800 furious right now. Need to get serious about this and 1:35:13.000 --> 1:35:15.640 need to say we are not going to tolerate this 1:35:15.720 --> 1:35:18.040 any longer. We are going to get aggressive and we're 1:35:18.080 --> 1:35:20.599 going to get this under control because this cannot continue 1:35:20.600 --> 1:35:23.280 to happen, especially when we have warning signs. 1:35:23.600 --> 1:35:26.200 What has the city in particularly this is mayor aft 1:35:26.200 --> 1:35:28.760 to have peerval ensure along the city manager? Have they 1:35:28.800 --> 1:35:32.360 addressed this shooting Saturday? Here it is Monday morning, have 1:35:32.400 --> 1:35:34.280 they addressed this, se your satisfaction and said anything. 1:35:35.800 --> 1:35:37.719 Well, As I mentioned at the start of this interview, 1:35:38.120 --> 1:35:40.400 I reached out yesterday when it was right when you 1:35:40.400 --> 1:35:43.200 and I were talking about me coming on today, and 1:35:43.320 --> 1:35:46.240 I have not heard anything since then, and I think 1:35:46.400 --> 1:35:48.439 the noise is definite. And I think that's been one 1:35:48.479 --> 1:35:50.840 of the big problems this summer, isn't it is that 1:35:51.040 --> 1:35:54.120 so often we don't have any information on what's going on. 1:35:54.200 --> 1:35:58.160 We know violence happened. Why are we not getting more information? 1:35:58.960 --> 1:36:01.280 And this is the situation. I think I can surmise 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:03.240 it's because for six months we haven't a lot of 1:36:03.520 --> 1:36:06.599 like we had myself in particular warning about it, but 1:36:06.680 --> 1:36:08.719 so often I mean, every single one of these incidents. 1:36:08.720 --> 1:36:10.760 It's like, just come on, give us some information about 1:36:10.800 --> 1:36:12.080 what's going on here and what we're going to do 1:36:12.120 --> 1:36:14.320 about it and how we can prevent this going forward. 1:36:15.400 --> 1:36:17.200 The silence is incredibly frustrating. 1:36:17.280 --> 1:36:19.679 Council member Sas Walsh on the show this morning, I'll 1:36:19.680 --> 1:36:22.519 pull this back to my opening and what happened in July. 1:36:23.720 --> 1:36:26.800 We have seen now leaked surveillance footage that came out 1:36:26.920 --> 1:36:28.760 on Signal nine and on its a Facebook page or 1:36:28.760 --> 1:36:32.120 they have a website, and this is the video that 1:36:32.400 --> 1:36:35.040 Kip Guy to the assistant Hamilin County prosecutor, talked about 1:36:35.080 --> 1:36:39.040 during the arraignments, and that was that. Well, the victim 1:36:39.040 --> 1:36:41.519 in this case who was you know, the city demanded 1:36:41.520 --> 1:36:43.200 it he be charged. We know that the mayor and 1:36:43.200 --> 1:36:44.800 the city manager have their hands all over this sys 1:36:44.800 --> 1:36:47.400 to why Alex Stravinsky was charged. The white guy in 1:36:47.400 --> 1:36:49.360 this case. We saw the video where he was punching, 1:36:49.720 --> 1:36:53.840 slapping a black man, and the story didn't start there. 1:36:53.880 --> 1:36:56.160 As it turns out, we now have video evidence, conclusive 1:36:56.200 --> 1:36:59.599 video evidence. It shows that he was attacked from behind, 1:36:59.640 --> 1:37:01.280 punched in the back of the head by a man 1:37:01.680 --> 1:37:03.920 who was also charged in this whole thing as well. 1:37:03.960 --> 1:37:05.519 Before he did what he felt he had to do 1:37:05.640 --> 1:37:07.880 was being physically attacked by this They've been sitting on 1:37:07.920 --> 1:37:09.840 the surveillance footage for a long time. It finally got 1:37:09.920 --> 1:37:12.200 leaked out a few days before the election. That right now, 1:37:12.680 --> 1:37:14.559 isn't this cut from the same cloth in that if 1:37:14.560 --> 1:37:16.680 it's something that doesn't fit the narrative or makes us 1:37:16.680 --> 1:37:19.280 look badly, or we'll just simply cover it up. I mean, 1:37:19.280 --> 1:37:21.840 it's been three months af and no one there's nothing 1:37:21.880 --> 1:37:24.320 new in this case. What the hell's taken so long? 1:37:24.439 --> 1:37:26.320 And doesn't it fit into what we're talking about here? 1:37:26.320 --> 1:37:28.880 The lack of an action and transparency on the part 1:37:28.920 --> 1:37:29.680 of the administration. 1:37:30.760 --> 1:37:33.840 Yes, I mean one percent. I don't know why that video. 1:37:34.240 --> 1:37:35.880 I mean it was turned over to the city and 1:37:35.920 --> 1:37:38.559 the prosecutor's office, you know, pretty quickly after the brawl. 1:37:39.400 --> 1:37:43.040 I don't believe there's any delay in official individuals getting 1:37:43.080 --> 1:37:46.920 this video. We released video quickly when there's an oscar 1:37:46.960 --> 1:37:50.000 involved shooting. This was a situation of getting national and 1:37:50.040 --> 1:37:53.519 international attention. Why did we not release it? I asked 1:37:53.560 --> 1:37:55.680 last Monday, I asked somebody if I could see the 1:37:55.760 --> 1:37:59.439 video and I didn't see it till it leased online. Yes, 1:37:59.760 --> 1:38:02.280 this some of this stuff, I think we make way 1:38:02.320 --> 1:38:04.880 harder and more complicated than it needs to be, because 1:38:04.880 --> 1:38:07.360 at this point, three months and everybody's formed their opinion 1:38:07.400 --> 1:38:11.000 based on videos that leaps out before this, and we're 1:38:11.080 --> 1:38:15.200 all digging in our heels on it instead of actually 1:38:15.240 --> 1:38:16.920 having been able to just watch the video in the 1:38:16.920 --> 1:38:19.880 first place. Let's the prosecutor's office run the way it's 1:38:19.880 --> 1:38:22.720 going to run. Whoever gets charged gets charged, and there 1:38:22.720 --> 1:38:24.519 it is, and we can move forward to the city. 1:38:24.560 --> 1:38:27.280 Because the reality is this brawl is a black guy 1:38:27.360 --> 1:38:29.120 in the city. It's something that we need to find 1:38:29.120 --> 1:38:31.040 a way to move on from and move the past. 1:38:31.360 --> 1:38:33.599 Because at the start of this year, Scout, we were 1:38:33.600 --> 1:38:36.559 talking about sun Dance, an international film festival, moving to 1:38:36.560 --> 1:38:38.479 the city of Cincinnati, and we're going to end the 1:38:38.560 --> 1:38:40.960 year talking about this horrible brawl that happened back in July. 1:38:41.040 --> 1:38:42.479 Because we haven't been able to just put it to 1:38:42.520 --> 1:38:44.360 bed and put everything out there and say here it 1:38:44.439 --> 1:38:48.080 is and let's move forward. We as a city need 1:38:48.120 --> 1:38:50.120 to get back to why Cincinnati was on the up, 1:38:50.320 --> 1:38:52.719 why we were so excited about our future, why people 1:38:52.760 --> 1:38:54.840 were moving here. Why we want people coming into our 1:38:54.880 --> 1:38:58.880 downtown and we cannot reclaim that and remind people what's 1:38:58.920 --> 1:39:01.400 so important about this city, and we are continually not 1:39:01.439 --> 1:39:05.040 getting information and all these rumors and speculation is just 1:39:05.280 --> 1:39:06.080 running rampant. 1:39:06.280 --> 1:39:08.280 Just does council need more power? 1:39:08.560 --> 1:39:08.680 Uh? 1:39:09.479 --> 1:39:11.719 What probably we have of the well power presses obviously 1:39:11.800 --> 1:39:14.920 the county, But what about the time to release of 1:39:14.920 --> 1:39:18.920 public records and sunlight laws and things like that, especially 1:39:18.920 --> 1:39:20.960 in a high profile case like this that effects of 1:39:20.960 --> 1:39:23.599 public trust? Does what kind of party you have as 1:39:23.600 --> 1:39:24.519 a council person. 1:39:26.160 --> 1:39:28.320 Well, you know, the charter puts us on a really 1:39:28.520 --> 1:39:31.920 weird situation where the council can request things from the 1:39:31.920 --> 1:39:34.880 city administration if you get a majority vote. The city administration, 1:39:35.240 --> 1:39:37.600 you know, is only really forced to do something. 1:39:37.360 --> 1:39:38.240 If it's a law. 1:39:38.360 --> 1:39:40.960 So if it's an ordinance or you know, within the 1:39:41.040 --> 1:39:44.080 municipal code, you know, even in motion, they could theoretically ignore. 1:39:44.160 --> 1:39:46.240 I mean that that was the design of our charter 1:39:46.320 --> 1:39:49.519 back in the nineteen twenty. Yeah, I think that there's 1:39:49.560 --> 1:39:51.040 a fair question that needs to be asked. You know, 1:39:51.160 --> 1:39:53.400 a lot of people blame the mayor for things, but 1:39:53.439 --> 1:39:56.400 he's also very limited in what his scope of powers. 1:39:56.400 --> 1:39:58.599 You know, we have built a very strong administration from 1:39:58.640 --> 1:40:02.080 the city perspective, and I am all for professionals running 1:40:02.080 --> 1:40:05.120 the city. You know, they are definitely smarter than us politicians. 1:40:06.040 --> 1:40:08.880 But at the same time, there needs to be accountability 1:40:08.920 --> 1:40:12.120 and recognition that you are you are working with the public, 1:40:12.320 --> 1:40:15.000 and the public deserves information and answers. And when things 1:40:15.040 --> 1:40:17.639 are happening like the happen this summer, like the Happiness weekend, 1:40:17.920 --> 1:40:19.880 come out and talk about it. And it's okay to 1:40:19.880 --> 1:40:23.000 admit that sometimes we get things wrong. You know, that's 1:40:23.040 --> 1:40:24.800 not the worst thing in the world. We learn and 1:40:24.840 --> 1:40:27.479 we grow, and nobody here is perfect. But it's sure 1:40:27.520 --> 1:40:30.360 hard to have sympathy when I'm finding out the information 1:40:30.400 --> 1:40:32.439 because at least through a Facebook group. I mean, that's 1:40:32.439 --> 1:40:33.479 insane to me, isn't it. 1:40:34.080 --> 1:40:35.760 Yeah, I mean, you know that information is going to 1:40:35.800 --> 1:40:37.200 come out on this day and age. You just simply 1:40:37.240 --> 1:40:39.400 can't quash it, you know that at some point, And 1:40:39.400 --> 1:40:41.840 I'm surprised it took this long quite honestly, and obviously 1:40:41.840 --> 1:40:43.759 at the time and with the election very important. 1:40:45.080 --> 1:40:48.800 Yeah, absolutely, and I am I'm disappointed by it, and 1:40:48.840 --> 1:40:51.760 I hope that those involved are learning that we need 1:40:51.800 --> 1:40:54.120 to be proactive in our communication. This week is not 1:40:54.200 --> 1:40:55.880 giving me a lot of confidence on that right now. 1:40:56.040 --> 1:40:58.559 But I mean it's not about the election either, Scott. 1:40:58.640 --> 1:41:00.640 And again that's the way we design our system, right 1:41:00.680 --> 1:41:03.240 the administration is fisted out with any member of council 1:41:03.400 --> 1:41:06.559 or the mayor. And when actions like this are happening, 1:41:06.600 --> 1:41:08.519 because you know, it seems like things are tied to 1:41:08.520 --> 1:41:11.080 the elections, like, that's not why the administration exists. Do 1:41:11.240 --> 1:41:14.000 your job come out, have these communications, get involved when 1:41:14.000 --> 1:41:16.880 we have quality of life issues happening, protect the public, 1:41:16.920 --> 1:41:19.120 make these things the priorities, and make people confident that 1:41:19.240 --> 1:41:21.120 is our priority. And right now, I think we're going 1:41:21.120 --> 1:41:23.320 to price in the confidence mostly because we are not 1:41:23.360 --> 1:41:25.320 communicating about what is going on and we're not being 1:41:25.360 --> 1:41:28.320 aggressive enough when we know the problems exist. These are 1:41:28.320 --> 1:41:31.320 not these are not new problems. These problems have existed 1:41:31.320 --> 1:41:33.240 for hundreds of years and a lot of great leaders 1:41:33.240 --> 1:41:35.280 to figure out ways to solve them. Why are we 1:41:35.280 --> 1:41:38.040 struggling so hard? And it's time for this administration to 1:41:38.040 --> 1:41:40.280 step up to the bat because I'm I'm tired of 1:41:40.320 --> 1:41:43.280 having these conversations Scott. Where we keep saying, like what happened, 1:41:44.000 --> 1:41:46.320 the city needs to step up. They knew the problem 1:41:46.320 --> 1:41:47.760 that was going on with Privy this week. I mean, 1:41:47.800 --> 1:41:49.920 no problems happening with other bars around the city, but 1:41:49.960 --> 1:41:52.479 that are related to quality of life. Step up, get 1:41:52.520 --> 1:41:55.200 aggressive and work with the bar owner, the community, and 1:41:55.240 --> 1:41:57.639 make sure that we start solving these problems now before 1:41:57.640 --> 1:41:59.520 we have another tragedy in the city of Cincinnati. 1:42:00.000 --> 1:42:00.559 That simple. 1:42:00.920 --> 1:42:03.200 Why are you one of maybe two council members that 1:42:03.240 --> 1:42:05.479 are speaking up. There's nine of you seeking re election. 1:42:06.080 --> 1:42:09.320 The majority, the vast majority of council says nothing about this. 1:42:09.680 --> 1:42:12.120 Does that encourage more of the same behavior? If you, 1:42:12.160 --> 1:42:14.120 as a council got together and said, listen, this is 1:42:14.160 --> 1:42:15.840 going to hurt all of us, it hurts our city 1:42:16.479 --> 1:42:18.679 what we're working for. You guys control the purse rings. 1:42:18.720 --> 1:42:20.400 That's how it's set up with the city charters. You 1:42:20.439 --> 1:42:23.519 control the financing. Well, if you control that financing, that 1:42:23.520 --> 1:42:26.240 means you have a huge say in how we police 1:42:26.280 --> 1:42:27.479 and what our policy should be. 1:42:29.320 --> 1:42:32.479 Yeah, I can't speak for my colleagues. Well, I can 1:42:32.560 --> 1:42:36.639 say and try to reframe your question. Here is nothing 1:42:36.640 --> 1:42:38.519 that I am saying today have I not said behind 1:42:38.520 --> 1:42:41.759 closed doors? And you haven't heard it because I actually 1:42:41.840 --> 1:42:44.160 would rather do things behind the closed doors. I'd rather 1:42:44.200 --> 1:42:48.000 we solve the problems. And I think the strategy of 1:42:48.040 --> 1:42:52.000 any good city or elected government is for you to 1:42:52.280 --> 1:42:54.320 never be complaining about an issue and not realize that 1:42:54.360 --> 1:42:58.400 you're not complaining about the issue. Right, So, yeah, we 1:42:58.439 --> 1:43:00.839 want to solve things behind closed doors as much as possible. 1:43:01.760 --> 1:43:04.200 I've just found that, you know, when eventually we get 1:43:04.240 --> 1:43:07.759 to a stage where something like this weekend happens, people 1:43:07.800 --> 1:43:11.160 need to know that this was not a conversation that 1:43:11.280 --> 1:43:13.360 just happened. This has been happening for six months, and 1:43:13.400 --> 1:43:15.600 what happened this weekend was an inevitable outcome when the 1:43:15.640 --> 1:43:18.360 city did not act enough on it. I don't know 1:43:18.360 --> 1:43:21.720 why my other colleagues don't speak out to, you know, 1:43:21.840 --> 1:43:23.680 more aggressively on some of these topics, but I think 1:43:23.680 --> 1:43:25.400 it's probably personal choice on how they do it, and 1:43:25.439 --> 1:43:27.920 I imagine they work behind the scenes on it. I 1:43:27.960 --> 1:43:29.720 would like us as a city to get back to 1:43:29.760 --> 1:43:31.560 the point that you stopped calling me Scott, and I 1:43:31.560 --> 1:43:33.680 would like to be back to the point that you 1:43:33.720 --> 1:43:36.000 guys don't know or care who the mayor or the 1:43:36.000 --> 1:43:38.400 city Council is when we are just a well working 1:43:38.439 --> 1:43:41.639 machine and we're excited about the potential of sundance. We're 1:43:41.640 --> 1:43:43.840 not there right now. Right now, we need accountability and 1:43:43.840 --> 1:43:45.280 we need to be holding out and being the aggressive 1:43:45.320 --> 1:43:47.160 on it in my opinion, and that's my opinion. I'm 1:43:47.160 --> 1:43:48.599 one of nine. That's the way the system has been 1:43:48.640 --> 1:43:51.120 set up. You know, those listening at home, you know 1:43:51.120 --> 1:43:53.679 there is an election tomorrow, and you know, I think 1:43:53.720 --> 1:43:55.639 my colleagues on the City Council are doing a really 1:43:55.680 --> 1:43:57.720 great job, even if they're not necessarily vocal. They are 1:43:57.720 --> 1:43:59.519 doing things behind the scenes to make sure things are 1:43:59.520 --> 1:44:02.640 moving forward. And I think it's important that you, you know, 1:44:02.720 --> 1:44:05.719 reward and vote for those who ultimately, you know, align 1:44:05.760 --> 1:44:08.200 with your values. And you know, in my case, if 1:44:08.200 --> 1:44:10.840 you think speaking out's important, you know, it's important for 1:44:10.840 --> 1:44:12.160 me that you show up to speak out and bout 1:44:12.160 --> 1:44:14.840 box the moth. But if not, you're going to continue 1:44:14.840 --> 1:44:16.559 to get more of the same. Yeah, That's that's what 1:44:16.600 --> 1:44:18.200 it boils down to you. So I think it's a 1:44:18.240 --> 1:44:20.400 personal choice by the voters and they may not luck 1:44:20.439 --> 1:44:20.760 at them all. 1:44:20.800 --> 1:44:21.120 Scott. 1:44:21.320 --> 1:44:24.160 People may hate hearing me talk. So you and I 1:44:24.160 --> 1:44:25.880 can speculate all day long, but we'll find out. 1:44:26.320 --> 1:44:26.519 Well. 1:44:26.560 --> 1:44:29.120 I mean, you know the snowplow thing you're instrumental in 1:44:29.160 --> 1:44:31.840 getting calling attention to that. We talk about crime now 1:44:31.880 --> 1:44:33.920 in this and calling out the lack of transparency. I 1:44:33.960 --> 1:44:36.599 love the accountability, Seth. I wish there were like seven 1:44:36.720 --> 1:44:38.960 or six or seven more folks like you on council 1:44:39.000 --> 1:44:41.440 willing to actually speak out against the mayor in the administration. 1:44:41.560 --> 1:44:44.160 But when you don't, then you just encourage more of 1:44:44.160 --> 1:44:46.760 that and sadly it may cost someone their seat. As 1:44:46.800 --> 1:44:49.559 you said, I think I have to have safe for sure, 1:44:50.160 --> 1:44:52.599 but we'll find out tomorrow. At some point this could 1:44:52.640 --> 1:44:54.519 be worse, Seth. You could be in charge of fixing 1:44:54.560 --> 1:44:59.640 the Bengals. So this is seemingly a much much more 1:44:59.680 --> 1:45:02.280 a drugs. Hey, good luck tomorrow, buddy, all the best 1:45:02.320 --> 1:45:04.840 and uh, we'll find out what happens tomorrow. Hope you 1:45:04.880 --> 1:45:05.559 get your seatback. 1:45:06.400 --> 1:45:07.400 I appreciate it. 1:45:07.760 --> 1:45:09.880 Yes, sir, thank you, good luck tomorrow. By the way, Seth, 1:45:10.080 --> 1:45:12.320 what does that say about city leadership when even the 1:45:12.360 --> 1:45:14.360 council people are in the dark of what's happening. Gun's 1:45:14.439 --> 1:45:16.840 lane and bushes are laying the grass across from a 1:45:16.880 --> 1:45:19.720 shooting hours later. It's just intolerable. The videos on my 1:45:19.800 --> 1:45:21.919 social feet at Scott's Sloan. Check it out on Facebook 1:45:22.080 --> 1:45:24.040 x Willie's on the way next to pick it up 1:45:24.640 --> 1:45:27.680 on the Home of the Best Bengals coverage embarrassingly so 1:45:27.840 --> 1:45:30.519 the best Bengals coverage seven hundred ww since now