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Speaker 2: It was a tough weekend, and I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: We've had a lot of tough weekends. And the problem

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Speaker 2: a tragic situation. Whether we have the elected to turn

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to end by saying, on this little

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Speaker 2: You and I know that if the roles were reversed

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Speaker 2: what you got, Council Member Parks, you said they deserve

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Speaker 1: Christopher Schmitherman, who's running we'll find out tomorrow or tomorrow

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Speaker 1: We were all outrage at what transpired to what happened

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Speaker 2: TONI I think we should be more outraged. I think

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Speaker 2: First of all, I denounced what happened in Lincoln Heights.

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Speaker 1: And it goes deeper than that. This is kind of

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Speaker 1: and we have to worry about black women. I's other comment.

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Speaker 1: The naac responded and defended black women. Not a word

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Speaker 1: The same probab. I think there's gonna be counsel people

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Speaker 4: having this issue. I get it once in a while,

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Speaker 4: really good players, but game on the line, chance for

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Speaker 4: a storybook ending that should have been cold to level

433
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Speaker 4: and getting hit by five guys and people ripping at

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Speaker 4: the ball and him going down the moment he catches it.

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Speaker 1: That Like I said, we joked last week about them

436
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Speaker 1: throwing hipchecks. I mean, it looks like they're playing hockey

437
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Speaker 1: not football. As they came into the game, the Bengals

438
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Speaker 1: did ninety four mistackles six hundred and forty five yards

439
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Speaker 1: total in the league, which is by farther wors than

440
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Speaker 1: the league yesterday missed fifteen tackles for another one thirty three,

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Speaker 1: So they're at eight hundred just about eight hundred yards

442
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Speaker 1: and allow and mistackles allowed extra yards from that initial contact.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't been acceptable all season. And as we've talked

444
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Speaker 1: about you, that's drafting, that's getting in the talent that

445
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Speaker 1: by this level you should be able to tackle, and

446
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Speaker 1: you're not doing it in my opinion. So the million

447
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Speaker 1: dollar question is in the other thirty one franchises out there,

448
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Speaker 1: this would be terminal for a head coach or at

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Speaker 1: least someone. The reason I'm having James repeating a little

450
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Speaker 1: early this morning normally here at eleven thirty as we

451
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Speaker 1: head in to lunchtime, are that it feels like it's

452
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Speaker 1: hit critical mass at this point. Two back to back

453
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Speaker 1: historic law is you've got the buy. I imagine I'll

454
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Speaker 1: lose in the off week somehow, I'm not quite sure.

455
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Speaker 1: When Zach Taylor is running out of words, he says,

456
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Speaker 1: it's sick to lose like that. I feel sick right now.

457
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Speaker 1: That means you have no answers. Heads have to roll.

458
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Speaker 1: You were in the locker room afterwards after the loss.

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Speaker 1: How does that compare to last week's collapse?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, Oh, I mean it's a good point.

461
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Speaker 4: Less guys were willing to talk, and I think that defensively,

462
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Speaker 4: we certainly heard from less guys. I know when we

463
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Speaker 4: put up our videos and our audio in Cincinnati Bengals,

464
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Speaker 4: talking was that way, you know on YouTube it was

465
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Speaker 4: a lot of offensive guys. And look, you're right, I mean,

466
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Speaker 4: it's it does feel that way that that a move

467
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Speaker 4: is possible.

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Speaker 3: You're also right that it an issue. There's no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Someone has to lose their job here. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: no room for debate. Is that when you have guys?

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Speaker 1: This is from Mike Protaglia said that a bunch of

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Speaker 1: guys who were in on that player in the defense

473
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Speaker 1: were part of the problem, not the solution. Wouldn't speak

474
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Speaker 1: after the game somewhere laughing and saying, hey see on Monday,

475
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Speaker 1: there's no accountability there. Then you see guys like t

476
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Speaker 1: and Chase and and you know, they're frustrated, they're angry,

477
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Speaker 1: they're they're bad mouthing the defense. Now it's on rabbits

478
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Speaker 1: got to be on the reason. I asked you about

479
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Speaker 1: the locker room, and it feels like from the reports

480
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Speaker 1: it's been unraveling for a while.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's easy for that to happen when you

482
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Speaker 4: have two units growing in different directions and you have Jamar,

483
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Speaker 4: Jamar fighting every inkling that he has, you know, you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean he quietly had one hundred and eleven yard yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I thought that was a very quiet Jamar game. And

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Speaker 3: you look up and he's got.

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Speaker 4: He's got a hundred guard. He jings obviously made a

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Speaker 4: bunch of plays. And we talked to Jamar after and

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Speaker 4: he's saying like three and four words and it's like

490
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Speaker 4: we're torturing him, and I don't want to torture Jamar.

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Speaker 4: After the game, that's not my goal. But guess what,

492
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Speaker 4: he's a leader and people care what he says. People

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Speaker 4: want to know what he thinks. And you know what

494
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Speaker 4: he thinks. He thinks that the defense sucks and that

495
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Speaker 4: they need to do their job a little bit. And

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Speaker 4: he hasn't said that, but I know that's what he's thinking,

497
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Speaker 4: and he was. He was caught on camera when he

498
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Speaker 4: was walking in the locker room saying, just one bleeping stop, right,

499
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Speaker 4: and that's what everybody's thinking. Chase Brown said, We'll just

500
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Speaker 4: finish the game. And it is that simple like and

501
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Speaker 4: sometimes those things are a simple thing can be hard

502
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Speaker 4: to carry out and execute and much more easier said

503
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Speaker 4: than done. But they have to find a way in

504
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Speaker 4: those situations to get that turnover and get that stock.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they had him on third downright in Caleb

506
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Speaker 4: Williams runs for fourteen yards and then the very next

507
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Speaker 4: play is a coastal levelin fifty eight yards.

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Speaker 3: So it's this locker room.

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Speaker 4: It felt like it was starting to bend before the

510
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Speaker 4: Joe Blackoch, Yeah, because things.

511
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Speaker 3: Are just spial spiraling out of control.

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Speaker 4: It almost in the other way where the offense was

513
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Speaker 4: just so non functional. They trade for Joe Flacco, and

514
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Speaker 4: it's completely flipped the other way, where the defense has

515
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Speaker 4: showed us who they are, the offense has figured it out,

516
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Speaker 4: and who the defense is very well could be the

517
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Speaker 4: worst defense in NFL history. That is not me being

518
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Speaker 4: not me exaggerating. When you look at the numbers, they're

519
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Speaker 4: they're very much in that conversation.

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Speaker 1: James Rapine from si Bengals Talk dot com Lockdown begels

521
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Speaker 1: and talking about what would feel like the inevitable inevitable

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Speaker 1: in any other NFL city, and that is what is

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Speaker 1: going to happen with the head coach and in this case, uh,

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Speaker 1: maybe Duke Tobin, the guy who essentially gets the players

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Speaker 1: for us, And uh, you know, if if you're bringing

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Speaker 1: guys in and ain't getting it done, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how that's that much on Zach Taylor and the schemes defensively,

528
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Speaker 1: because we've got two guys, two minds working on that.

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Speaker 1: If you can't tackle, you can't show up, you can't

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Speaker 1: play your position. That feels more like a front office

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Speaker 1: issue in Duke Tobin. And yet there's a guy who's

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Speaker 1: never come I don't think the average person, myself included,

533
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Speaker 1: could pick Duke Tobin out of a lineup to show

534
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Speaker 1: you the lack of accountability there. It's always Zach Taylor

535
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Speaker 1: has to be the guy speaking for him. That's not

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Speaker 1: fair on coach and I don't think it's fair quite

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Speaker 1: honestly for the fan base.

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Speaker 4: Totally agree, totally agree. But believe me, I would love

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Speaker 4: love to hear from Duke always and uh that that

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Speaker 4: is not something that we would ever turn down as media.

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Speaker 4: I promise you, no, no, I promise you we would

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Speaker 4: love to hear from Duke today.

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Speaker 1: Are accountable. They show up, they answer questions, they do

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Speaker 1: things public appear. This guy, uh you know, talk about

545
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Speaker 1: the man men behind the curtain, right, he's like it

546
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: feels like he's protected like a mafia don or something

547
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: like that. He's surrounded by goons.

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Speaker 4: Right, Hey, if those good if those goods can tackle,

549
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Speaker 4: you give him on you get those guys on the field.

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Speaker 1: That's what horrific. It is horrific down there. And you

551
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Speaker 1: know the other part of the frustration is Bengal season

552
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: ticket windows open it up and you know, we got

553
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Speaker 1: news next the ticket prices are going up. I know

554
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Speaker 1: a lot of people and if you look at social

555
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Speaker 1: I don't know how accurate that is or not. Could

556
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Speaker 1: be Russian bots. But if you look at the investment

557
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Speaker 1: you're asked to make and spend more money on a

558
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: team this bad, how's that? And that is really the

559
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: only thing that's going to cause heads to roll, right

560
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: is typically the family looks at the bottom line, and

561
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Speaker 1: if people are unhappy and there's a revolt, as we

562
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Speaker 1: saw with Marvin Lewis, it might cause Zach Taylor's job,

563
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Speaker 1: but it probably shouldn't be him. It should be Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 4: I I agree with you on the surface, right I

565
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Speaker 4: you know I'm not, But there's so much context that

566
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Speaker 4: goes into our should this gubby fire? Should this guy

567
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Speaker 4: or that? Or what should you do? How should you

568
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 4: fix that? Here's what I would say, they failed at

569
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Speaker 4: building this defense top So who had.

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Speaker 3: A hand in what? Who was the one stopping on

571
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Speaker 3: the table for who?

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Speaker 4: During the draft when they made draft picks that I

573
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Speaker 4: got to be honest, when you look at who they

574
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Speaker 4: could have had in like consensus and rankings and just

575
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Speaker 4: like the general draft stuff. And I love the draft,

576
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Speaker 4: they went down the pass that was as risky as

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Speaker 4: any that you could have and they went down a

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Speaker 4: path with guys that probably weren't considered plug and play

579
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Speaker 4: type players really throughout the draft, even if they are

580
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Speaker 4: good dudes and work hard and all of those things

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Speaker 4: and so very very much risk.

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Speaker 3: They're taking a lot of risk with that.

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Speaker 4: And when you combine that with a poor free agency,

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Speaker 4: all right, well, why were they for free agent? Is

585
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Speaker 4: it Duke's faulted that the ownership's faulted it the coaches

586
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Speaker 4: saying they didn't like the free agent?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. And so that's why I'm not just

588
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Speaker 3: saying Duke, I'm I'm not trying to.

589
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Speaker 5: Hate for him.

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Speaker 4: I'm just trying to get contact. I don't know who

591
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 4: made these decisions, but whoever did and who ever said

592
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Speaker 4: no when I'm sure someone in the building was like

593
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Speaker 4: me and like, hey, can you add talent? Can you

594
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Speaker 4: go get this guy or that guy or this guy

595
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 4: or that whoever that is certainly deserves to be hard, nototiced,

596
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Speaker 4: because that's why they're in this position.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they should be Scott fi for.

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Speaker 4: Winners of three straight three and one with Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 4: second place in the AFC, worth with a real chance

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Speaker 4: to battle the Steelers in two weeks for first place

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Speaker 4: in the division.

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Speaker 3: That's where they should be and they're not there, and.

603
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Speaker 4: So they really need to look hard in the mirror

604
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Speaker 4: and figure out why they failed for multiple years building

605
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Speaker 4: the defense.

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Speaker 3: But certainly this offseason going into this year.

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Speaker 1: If you're asking people to buy the product and that

608
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Speaker 1: is on field, that's the merchandise, that's the season two,

609
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Speaker 1: that's all that thing. Isn't it fair then to say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, we saw the ACTIVI of the offense is

611
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Speaker 1: doing fine. It's the defense it's been a problem. You're

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Speaker 1: in your second coordinator, the results are getting worse. At

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Speaker 1: what point is it fair to question those people who

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Speaker 1: are bringing the talent to Cincinnati? And that would be

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Speaker 1: Tooke Tobin and people in that front office. If you're

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Speaker 1: asking people to support this team and continue to turn

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Speaker 1: out to support the Bengals, is it not fair that

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Speaker 1: there's some accountability and some questions answered on the part

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Speaker 1: of the people who have been silent for years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a big Drea, It's not a big ask.

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Speaker 3: Totally agree, Totally agree. They stunk in the draft.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, I think I follow the draft and

623
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Speaker 4: try to fuck and cover the draft in a way

624
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Speaker 4: that is unique to anyone in Cincinnati, and that covers

625
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Speaker 4: the Bengals and do it as extensively as I can.

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Speaker 3: And they have been so bad.

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Speaker 4: At drafting compared to what they could have had, and

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Speaker 4: a lot of it isn't kindsight. Like I've said, fans

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Speaker 4: are smarter than ever, media members can be smarter than

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Speaker 4: ever when it comes to the draft because there's so

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Speaker 4: much info and there is so much info you can get,

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Speaker 4: and so by draft day, I feel like I know

633
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Speaker 4: the first three rounds like the back of my hand.

634
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Speaker 4: And for them to end up with what they had

635
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Speaker 4: and they ended up with versus what they could have

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Speaker 4: had just this year, I mean this is a multi

637
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 4: year problem, but just this year. I mean they've invested

638
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Speaker 4: so many picks. Three of their first of their last

639
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: four first rounders Scott have been defensive players to pass rush,

640
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Speaker 4: a safety, and now corner like. They've invested two second

641
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 4: round picks in corners. They invested two picks this year

642
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 4: in mine back like they've invested in the defense, and

643
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Speaker 4: they're either poor picks they can't develop them, or a

644
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Speaker 4: mixture of both. And firing Lou clearly didn't worse.

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Speaker 1: Arguably, I mean, it's uh, you know, a loss is

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Speaker 1: still a loss. And I look at this, I think

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Speaker 1: many Bengals fans do, and you throw your hands up

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Speaker 1: in apathy, going, we're this close to the super bowling

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and now this something's got

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Speaker 1: to change. And quite obviously going to the bye week,

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Speaker 1: I think the silence down there by not doing it,

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Speaker 1: doing something and addressing this is really hurt because I

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Speaker 1: mean the players go their separate ways to the bye

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Speaker 1: week for a little while anyway, doesn't that just bring

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Speaker 1: more animosity when they come back. It's gonna make it

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Speaker 1: worse because you're going to steal on that through the

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Speaker 1: time off you had.

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Speaker 3: Sure will.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you're an offensive player, you're going to

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Speaker 4: see your family during the bye You're probably going to

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Speaker 4: go home or your hometown and guess what, your your

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Speaker 4: buddies at the hole in the wall bar a man

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Speaker 4: that defense, Oh my god, I don't.

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Speaker 3: In on defense. They're gonna make faces and like, oh

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Speaker 3: that's a tough one, huh.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, like, yeah, it's gonna be therapeutic. You're

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Speaker 1: gonna come back and be pissed more pissed off, probably

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Speaker 1: because you're in your own head about it real quick, James.

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Speaker 1: The odds that something happens today, never say never, but

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Speaker 1: are we going to see something? There's got to be

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Speaker 1: some sort of symbolic move the Bengals do to appease

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Speaker 1: the fan baser.

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Speaker 4: The thing is is they don't react that way.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.

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Speaker 4: A lot of franchises in the NFL react with emotion,

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Speaker 4: and usually I think that they they get it wrong.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, person I don't know what firing Al

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Speaker 4: Golden does. Yep, I don't because he can't physically go

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Speaker 4: out there and make Jordan battle right right, all right?

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Speaker 4: For those that want that gone, fine, that could happen.

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Speaker 4: I just don't think it's gonna happen today. And I

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Speaker 4: don't I still don't know what that doest it other

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Speaker 4: than make a move to make a move. But one

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Speaker 4: that's interesting is do and if they look at it

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Speaker 4: and they say, man, we really don't have the talent.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that would happen today. I think

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Speaker 4: that would happen at the end of the year. I

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Speaker 4: think any of these moves would happen at the end

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Speaker 4: of the year. Sair enough, I want to dismiss any

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Speaker 4: of them, but I'm not anything's gonna happen today, which

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Speaker 4: means that it'll happen probably five minutes after.

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Speaker 3: I get off.

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Speaker 1: All right, James, all the best, buddy, I know we

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Speaker 1: got to get going round a light. Appreciate it. Thanks Nana. Well,

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Speaker 1: if something breaks out, you'll break in. James Rapeen with

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Speaker 1: when you think it can't get any worse, it does.

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Scott flowing back on seven hundred WWDE Can we have

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Speaker 1: any more like awful news going on this Monday morning?

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Speaker 1: Not how we want to wake up when we if

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Speaker 1: we didn't get an hour's sleep. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: you know winter is here and it's going to be

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Speaker 1: depressing and dark, and of course he had the Bengals

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Speaker 1: the kind of pels and can comparis into the serious

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Speaker 1: nature of seven people shot in and around Cincinnati on Saturday,

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Speaker 1: literally at one o'clock in the morning in OTR gun

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Speaker 1: violence rang out in front of the Privy Bar on

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Speaker 1: Elm Street, steps away from Rhenggeist by the way. And

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Speaker 1: keep in mind a lot of people reveling because it's Halloween.

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Speaker 1: They're dressed up, they're in costume. You have college kids,

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Speaker 1: young people, middle aged people, older people having a good time.

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Speaker 1: The gunfire rings out in front of this bar. And

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Speaker 1: I just got this video and I shared it via

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Speaker 1: my Facebook page at Scott Sloane in on ex A's

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Speaker 1: Scott Sloane and it comes from a reliable source, an

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Speaker 1: individual who lives in the neighborhood. It is a Sunday

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Speaker 1: morning and I'll describe it for you if you want

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Speaker 1: to see it for yourself. It's too unreal to believe

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Speaker 1: in the city that hours after an investigation into the

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Speaker 1: shots fired, we have the image laying in the grass

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Speaker 1: literally across the street, steps away from the Privy nightclub.

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Speaker 1: In the grass is a handgun just lying there. It's

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Speaker 1: got dew on it, it's got rain on it, whatever

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Speaker 1: it might be do or a moisture. And the individuals

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Speaker 1: like I live in the neighborhood describing the fact that

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Speaker 1: they had this investigation of shooting and there's a gun

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Speaker 1: lying there.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Could the gun have been thrown there after the shooting?

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Speaker 1: It possibly, but it makes one question maybe how thin

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Speaker 1: the resources are and what the priorities are. And you've

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Speaker 1: got so many people running around trying to police and

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Speaker 1: do what they're doing, and with limited, by the way

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Speaker 1: limited resources, one could ask did that thing get missed

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Speaker 1: during the shooting investigation? It is. It's chilling to see.

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Speaker 1: And also, you know, you could see the kind of

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Speaker 1: crowd that you know, mingles out there. It's not good. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm off far but having a good time and I

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Speaker 1: don't care. But you know, when you have to have

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Speaker 1: armed security guards, when you have to have people with

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Speaker 1: metal detectors making sure that you don't get in there

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Speaker 1: with guns and weapons, that's a problem. And why is

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Speaker 1: that allowed? Why is that permitted? As I understand it

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Speaker 1: that this is a problem with this club, it's been

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Speaker 1: going on for months now and it yet to be addressed.

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Speaker 1: And now we've got a gun literally lying in front

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Speaker 1: of the club, or a shooting happened just hours ago.

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Speaker 1: This is what we're facing here in Cincinnati. Joined the

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Speaker 1: show on seven hundred Wow. She's Betsy brandtnor Smith with

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Speaker 1: the National Police Association, because I want to get some

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Speaker 1: perspective and just maybe how to whack Cincinnati is compared

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Speaker 1: to comparable cities for the rest of the country. Betsy,

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Speaker 1: welcome back, are you hey.

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Speaker 6: It's great to be with you, and I'm so glad

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Speaker 6: you're talking about this because so many big blue cities

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Speaker 6: around the country are dealing with this exact same issue

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Speaker 6: violent crime, you know, gun crime in an area where

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Speaker 6: there are all these gun laws that are supposed to

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Speaker 6: take care of this. So yeah, Cincinnati is unfortunately right up.

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Speaker 1: There are ween outlier compared to comparable cities. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I feel we live here. We don't get to see

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Speaker 1: you think it's awful right now because I had you

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Speaker 1: on after the beatdown, the July brawl. We've had the

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Speaker 1: police chief fired. We have shootings on Fountain Square, which

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Speaker 1: is iconic. Everyone knows about Fountain Square and the Genius

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Speaker 1: of Water Statue. That is the literally, if you're to

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Speaker 1: drop a pin on the map where Cincinnati is, that

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Speaker 1: the tip of that pin would be right through the

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Speaker 1: heart of the Genius of Water Statue. That's the town

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Speaker 1: center basically, and people are out there having a good

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Speaker 1: time in gunfire. And then on Thursday night football when

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Speaker 1: the Steelers are in town, we had an individual shot

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Speaker 1: steps away following the game. And now this seven shooting.

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Speaker 1: Seven people shot, including what I just described in front

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Speaker 1: of a nightclub with a gun lying there the morning

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Speaker 1: after in the grass. When you look at other cities,

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Speaker 1: I mean, how how comparable are we because it feels

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Speaker 1: like there's no way it could be worse than other cities.

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Speaker 6: Well, you're not worse in the cities obviously, Memphis, Tennessee, Chicago, Illinois,

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Speaker 6: New York City, larger cities, you know, so you do

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Speaker 6: have less violent crime than cities like that. But the

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Speaker 6: problem is in Cincinnati, like in some of these other cities,

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Speaker 6: is you've had this almost decade long emphasis on things

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Speaker 6: like restorative justice and racial justice and all that. And

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Speaker 6: then in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, we had

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Speaker 6: the George Floyd situation where law enforcement was vilified, prosecutors

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Speaker 6: were encouraged to spend more time worrying about criminals than

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Speaker 6: crime victims, and we talked about race, race, race, and

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Speaker 6: we stopped talking about stopping crime and helping victims. So

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Speaker 6: in that light, Cincinnati is right up there with other

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Speaker 6: big blue cities, and it's really unfortunate because Cincinnati is

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Speaker 6: such a beautiful city.

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Speaker 1: It feels like at this point it's starting to get

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Speaker 1: away from this. You know, during the summer months, we

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Speaker 1: see a spike for obvious reasons. Young people are out

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Speaker 1: gun crimes, juveniles are committing violent crimes and violent lects.

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Speaker 1: Usually that settles down when the weather gets a little

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Speaker 1: bit cooler. But we've now steamrolled into this being October

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Speaker 1: and all that with all these people downtown for Halloween

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Speaker 1: and now seven people shot this weekend. In particular, we

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Speaker 1: as you know, Betsy fired a police chief, or at

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Speaker 1: least she's unpaid administrative leave, whatever the hell that means.

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Speaker 1: And it's going to be two months to find out

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Speaker 1: why the city fired her in the first place. That

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Speaker 1: can't be helpening elsewhere where you fight. Essentially fire the

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Speaker 1: police chief and then look for reasons as to why

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Speaker 1: you fired her. It's going to take two months and

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Speaker 1: spend about forty fifty thousand dollars in tax para money.

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Speaker 6: No, you're you're right about that, and she, you know, again,

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Speaker 6: why was she fired? You know, maybe her response wasn't

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Speaker 6: the best when it came to you guys making international news.

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Speaker 6: But you know, she came up from inside. She seems

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Speaker 6: to know what she's doing, and it seems to be

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Speaker 6: a real knee jerk reaction. But again, we prefer to

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Speaker 6: wait until the investigation is over. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 6: you have people that are being victimized, and how do

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Speaker 6: you stop that, how do you stop this gun crime?

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Speaker 6: You put people in prison. Punishment works, And that's the

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Speaker 6: problem that you have in Cincinnati, like in so many

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Speaker 6: other big blue cities, is we've stopped punishing criminals. We

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Speaker 6: worry way more about their feelings than we do about

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Speaker 6: the feelings of the crime victims, and we stopped really

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Speaker 6: paying attention to law. Restorative justice is which means we

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Speaker 6: worry more about the criminal than the crime victim. Restorative

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Speaker 6: justice is one of the worst things to happen to

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Speaker 6: this nation and also to happen to Cincinnati. And you

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Speaker 6: can look around Ohio and you can see how other

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Speaker 6: cities deal with crime, how other counties deal with crime,

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Speaker 6: and very often they do a better job. But Cincinnati,

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Speaker 6: unlike some other larger cities, is extremely salvageable, and that's

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Speaker 6: what people need to focus on.

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Speaker 1: You know, what we see in the crime. The folent

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Speaker 1: crime isn't up necessarily in certain areas. It is like

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Speaker 1: areas we're talking about property crime is through the roof,

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Speaker 1: that's like up sixty percent. But is that pat in

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Speaker 1: common in other cities? And what about the divergence that

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Speaker 1: indicates about the underlying crime issues that we have.

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Speaker 6: When you look at crime statistics, almost every city you

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Speaker 6: look at, crime is down. But the problem with that

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Speaker 6: is it's reported crime. Forty three percent of crimes in

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Speaker 6: this country go unreported because people have given up. And

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Speaker 6: when you have a police department that's short staff, like

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Speaker 6: Cincinnati does, when you have a police department that is

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Speaker 6: beleiaguered like Cincinnati has, people don't even bother to report

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Speaker 6: every you know, many many crimes. And it's extraordinary to

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Speaker 6: hear that property crime is up because that's the crimes

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Speaker 6: that often go unreported. So I would guess your property

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Speaker 6: crime problem is off the hook. You also have a

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Speaker 6: juvenile crime problem that, in my opinion, isn't being properly

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Speaker 6: dealt with. We have got to look at juveniles, we

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Speaker 6: have to look at them differently. That's appropriate, but they

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Speaker 6: also need to be punished.

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Speaker 1: Betsy Brightner Smith of the National Police Association on the

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Speaker 1: show on seven hundred W but kind of like a

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Speaker 1: national perspective on what's happening in Cincinnati with the seven

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Speaker 1: people shot over the weekend, in the steady drum beat

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Speaker 1: of violence. It feels like we had the leak of

862
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Speaker 1: the police video on Friday, and that would substantiate the

863
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: fact that the alert Schabnovski hit that the white guy,

864
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: he was the victim in this whole thing, was attack

865
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Speaker 1: from behind, and that was not shared because it didn't

866
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Speaker 1: lead the narrative about how race crimes actually work. It

867
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Speaker 1: was a black guy punching him in the back of

868
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Speaker 1: the head. He turns around starts slapping people. But that's

869
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Speaker 1: what we saw, and that's as sick thing as anything

870
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Speaker 1: else because of all this violence. We don't need to

871
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: add racial animosity this whole thing, but that was of

872
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: course ginned up by a lot of the people who

873
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Speaker 1: are not only seeking your vote but seeking power in

874
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Speaker 1: the city. Is that the racism is a one way street.

875
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: It's always white on block, not the other way around.

876
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: And we could admit that regardless of who you are,

877
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Speaker 1: what you look like, what you stand for, that we

878
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: have racists among us and it's up to the good

879
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: people to stand up. Then you could actually solve problems.

880
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: But that's not happening right now in our city. And

881
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: I look at the gun laying outside the club. That's

882
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: not a good look for CPD. I just posted this

883
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Speaker 1: on my Facebook and x feeds Betsy Brandner Smith that

884
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Speaker 1: someone shared with me. They were out the next morning

885
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Speaker 1: after the shooting at the club and OTR and literally

886
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: across the street from the club there was a handgun

887
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: looks like a nine millimeter handgun laying on the grass

888
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: right in front of the club. People are going to

889
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: look at the police and go, how the hell could

890
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: you miss a gun unless the gun was thrown there

891
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: after the crime, after the police had left, But that's

892
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Speaker 1: probably unlikely.

893
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 6: Well, and that's the thing, and we really don't know.

894
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 6: I assume there are cameras outside of this club, and

895
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 6: I assume that, well, we'll know. But you're right, it's

896
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 6: not a good look. But you know, the Cincinnati Police

897
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Speaker 6: Department used to be one of the best in the country,

898
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 6: and they have so many good people and good leaders.

899
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Speaker 6: The problem is is, again they have been themselves beaten

900
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Speaker 6: down by political leadership. And this is why elections are

901
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 6: so very important when you go to the you know, people,

902
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 6: when you go to the polls tomorrow. We don't tell

903
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 6: you how to vote, but I want you to think

904
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 6: about how you're living in the city of Cincinnati, and

905
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 6: this is the same thing, and we're seeing all around

906
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Speaker 6: the country. New York's a great example. You know, who

907
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 6: is going to give you a safer life in your

908
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 6: city because a lot of people are moving, but people

909
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 6: who can't afford to move are stuck, and they're the

910
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 6: ones who become the victims. And we hear so much

911
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Speaker 6: about oh people, you know, poor people are you know,

912
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 6: they commit crimes because of this, and that most people

913
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Speaker 6: are not criminals. Cops know this, the media knows this,

914
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Speaker 6: even if they don't want to talk about it. Most

915
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 6: people are just trying to live their lives. We have

916
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Speaker 6: got to root out the criminals, punish them, incarcerate them,

917
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 6: and then everybody needs to be able to live their

918
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 6: lives in a nice, open society like we were able

919
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 6: to do forty years.

920
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know. To make this a racial element

921
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Speaker 1: of the race, the biggest victims of these crimes by

922
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Speaker 1: these individuals are black women. In particular, black community suffer

923
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Speaker 1: the most when you talk about these gun crimes and

924
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: the like, not not always because we have shootings. Believe me,

925
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: speaking for white America, I mean it's not like we

926
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Speaker 1: have all the problems solved either. We got plenty of

927
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: problems for sure, But the violence issue affects us all

928
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: regardless of where it had. Don't care where it happens,

929
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: I just care that it is happening. And when a

930
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: gun is laying on in the street basically of Cincinnati

931
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: hours after shooting, it's a bad look again for our

932
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: community and to the missteps continue to go. And not

933
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Speaker 1: only that, a lot of the complaints are unanswered by

934
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: this administration, be the city manager and the mayor. Is

935
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: if we simply don't acknowledge it, it'll go away. And

936
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: all we hear is out how tough on crime we're

937
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: going to be, while all the while judges are letting

938
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: people out who should be locked up. That's exactly what

939
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about, Betsy Brandner Smith the National Police Association.

940
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm willing bet that those involved in the shootings over

941
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: the weekend have had something in their jacket that would

942
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Speaker 1: prohibit them from having the firearm. You've almost bet the

943
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Speaker 1: House on it. It happened in just about every case

944
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: we've had so far. Why would this be different.

945
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 6: Well, and I'm going to guess that the vast majority

946
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 6: of them have probably had lots of police contact before,

947
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 6: lots of judiciary contact before. And this is the problem

948
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 6: that we're seeing around the nation, and you're seeing it

949
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 6: in Cincinnati as well. As people are not being punished

950
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 6: because what we're saying is societally, punishment is bad. We

951
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 6: can't punish people. We just need to understand them and

952
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 6: hold their hand and realize that they weren't breastfed long

953
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 6: enough and things like that. And it's ridiculous because again,

954
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 6: most people do not commit crimes, rich, poor, black, white, whatever.

955
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 6: We need to root out the criminals, punish them, and

956
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 6: go back to a sane society. And that's why it's

957
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 6: so important to vote, and to vote for your own safety,

958
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 6: not for some political party or not because you don't

959
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 6: like the guy in the White House. Think about your

960
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 6: own life and is your political leadership doing right by

961
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 6: you a citizen of Cincinnati.

962
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: I was say in Cincinnati, know that that too much

963
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: of emphasis is put on stuff that you mentioned and

964
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: the whole deal. Listen, inclusivity. I'm all for the best

965
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: person for the job, open it up and let the

966
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: market decide him. A free market kind of guy. But

967
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: the idea when Terry Thiji, before she was fired three

968
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: years ago, she was named police chief and her biggest

969
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: concern was about what I'm talking about here. Wasn't about

970
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: improving the police force, more cops on the street, stuff

971
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: like that, important stuff like that. The administration didn't want

972
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: to do that. They wanted to focus on inclusivity and

973
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: all those things. And the end result is when you

974
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 1: ignore the police department and don't feed it and care

975
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: and nurture for it, things like this happened because there's

976
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: a criminal element out there, and not again I think

977
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: that you'd admit there's different tiers of criminals, but you

978
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: just encourage this kind of predatory, sociopathic behavior where people

979
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: simply we've had shootings here, Betsy, where there's cops standing

980
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: there and they still wind up shooting. They don't care

981
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: about their lives or almost around just their immediate needs.

982
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm tired of hearing about being on your own recognizance

983
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: and they're going to get a job and just promise

984
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: never to do it again. The same people go out

985
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: with an ankle monitor and shoot folks, just like what

986
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: happened in front of the in between after the Thursday

987
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: night Bengals gave guy had an ankle monitor on when

988
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: he fired shots. It's unprecedented.

989
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 6: Well, it absolutely is. And this is why your police officers,

990
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 6: before they engage in situations like that, and the criminals

991
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 6: know this. Your police officers have to think not only

992
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 6: about their own lives and the lives of people around them,

993
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 6: but they have to think, am I going to be bilified?

994
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 6: Am I going to be demonized? Am I going to

995
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 6: be prosecuted simply for doing my job? Even when usuforce

996
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 6: is justified And you're so right about the chief. So

997
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 6: much was made, you know, when she was promoted to

998
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 6: chief and all that, and there was so much talk

999
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 6: about diversity and inclusion and this Matt Well, now all

1000
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 6: of a sudden, she's not so diverse, we're not so inclusive,

1001
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 6: and she's on paid leave until we figure out a

1002
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 6: way to demonize her for our own political and administrative mistake.

1003
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: She is a Betty Brandner Smith National Police Association, So

1004
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: we're not an outlier. We're not different than anybody else.

1005
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: If this is happening out of the City's got to

1006
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: help us. But there is an election tomorrow. We'll see.

1007
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting tomorrow. I guess it would

1008
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: be on Wednesday to find out exactly what the outcome

1009
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: because I would think that the voters are going to

1010
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: make somebody pay. I'm not quite sure it's going to

1011
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: be the mayor though. We'll find out what happens. But Betsy,

1012
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: all the best, Thanks for jumping on this morning.

1013
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me. Cincinnati is a beautiful city. I

1014
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 6: know it well. It's worth saving everybody.

1015
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 3: Savior city, take care.

1016
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: Thank you. We've got to get a news update in.

1017
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,479
Speaker 1: We've got lots going on, and you know, more sad

1018
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: news of the weekend. A long time member of seven

1019
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: hundred w that would actually one of the cornerstones of

1020
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: the granddaddy's sport stock, Bob Trump be passing away at

1021
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: the age of eighty and I crossed Trump's pass with

1022
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: Trump many times working in then at Mount Adams. When

1023
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: i'd come in I was doing the nine at midnight

1024
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: show years and years and years ago, and I first

1025
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 1: started here and I'd see him on Thursday nights when

1026
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: doing some Bengals talk and I'd walk in the studio

1027
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: and have great conversations with Bob Trumpy about football and

1028
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: a bunch of other things. Just a great guy and

1029
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: sad to hear that iron Bob Trump. He passed way.

1030
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: Of course he went on to after sports Stock. He

1031
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: wanted to do stuff like NBC called Super Bowls, Olympics

1032
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Bob Trumpy passing away at the age

1033
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: of eighty and remembering here on the place he got

1034
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: his started. Media is right here on the home of

1035
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: the best Bengals coverage seven hundred WW Cincinnati. Everyone needs

1036
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: help every now and then, and she's here to help

1037
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,720
Speaker 1: us get our heads right. This is Mental Health Monday

1038
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: with mental health expert Julie Hadtershire. Yeah, I wish we

1039
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: had better news on this day with we had shootings

1040
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: we have of course what happened on the field with

1041
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: the Bengals, and just a lot of doom and gloom

1042
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,879
Speaker 1: out there. And that's compounded by the fact that, yeah,

1043
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: we got an extra hour of sleep last night, but

1044
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: the dividends will be paid for the coming days and weeks.

1045
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: For some people when it comes to the fact, the

1046
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,439
Speaker 1: sad fact that like Johnny cash In fulsome prison. We're

1047
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: not going to see the sun since I don't know when.

1048
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: Joining the show is Julie H from b Connected out

1049
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 1: Care Jewels. Good morning, Julie there standby. We got issues here,

1050
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: Julia there, there we go. I don't know what's going on.

1051
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: Even the phones don't want to work today, even the

1052
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: phones are depressed.

1053
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 5: I was talking, I could hear you.

1054
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 7: Sorry about that.

1055
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's that's not on you. That's on that's

1056
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 1: on us, maybe because of like maybe our sleep schedules

1057
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: are screwed up.

1058
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, screwed up.

1059
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: We got all this damn bad news, and then on

1060
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: top of that, we we lose all our sunshine. Now,

1061
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: it was nice to wake up this morning, but you

1062
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: know what's coming. That's the sad part. You go, I'm

1063
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: not going to see the sun in a while here

1064
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: pretty soon.

1065
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's really hard on people. It is really hard

1066
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 5: on people. Some people take it better than others, and

1067
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 5: for some people the fall time change is easier.

1068
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 7: Than the springtime change.

1069
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 5: But regardless, we know that what happens in our bodies

1070
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 5: and in our brains, it impacts us. Whether we cope

1071
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,720
Speaker 5: better with it than other people do or not. It's

1072
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 5: a big deal and it happens twice the year, so

1073
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 5: we've got to get used to it.

1074
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Speaker 3: But I don't like it.

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00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: Well, this one's worse, I think because you have hope, right,

1076
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: does it work that with your body? Like, hey, I

1077
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: know that the long days are coming because we do

1078
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: this in the spring and we lose in our sleep.

1079
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: We go, Okay, God, it's going to suck right now.

1080
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: But in a few weeks it means summer's here. There's

1081
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: some relief. This means that it feels like you're going

1082
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: to prison almost maybe a little bit extreme, but I

1083
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: think for a lot of people it's true.

1084
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 5: Well you know, for some people that is extreme, but

1085
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 5: for other people. Fall is a lovely season objectively for

1086
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 5: most people. But people who really struggle with winter, fall

1087
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 5: is the precursor to that and to be beginning of

1088
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 5: their really hardest time. There are people who really really

1089
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 5: struggle in the dark and the cold of winter. And

1090
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 5: now we know it's coming, And you're right, there's less

1091
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 5: daylight in our lives, particularly for those people who work

1092
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 5: a normal eight to five, nine to five job. You're

1093
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 5: inside at work during the daylight hours, you leave in

1094
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 5: the dark, you come home in the dark, and it's

1095
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 5: really difficult.

1096
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the actual measured health impact. Is there's

1097
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: sevel right.

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00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 6: There are.

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00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 5: There are quite a few, in fact, so cardiovascularly, it

1100
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 5: has a huge impact on increased number of heart attacks

1101
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 5: and strokes after each time change, consistently up to a

1102
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 5: twenty four percent a recent hospital study in Michigan twenty

1103
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 5: four percent increase in heart attacks.

1104
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 7: On the Monday following the switch.

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00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: That's huge, that's big.

1106
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 7: That's really really.

1107
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: Big heart attacks because of the time change. Now I thought, well,

1108
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: I got an extra hour sleep, I should be good.

1109
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: But that's not true.

1110
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 5: Well, you know, you know, there's what we perceive is happening.

1111
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 5: There's what actually is happening in our bodies. So our

1112
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 5: bodies run on a circadian clock, and the circadian clock

1113
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 5: is timed as animals. Bodies are time to the light

1114
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 5: in the darkness, and when we frequently shift our body clock,

1115
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 5: it has negative impacts.

1116
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 7: So we see this on shift workers.

1117
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 5: We see this in people who travel regularly for work

1118
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 5: across multiple time zones. We see decreased health in those people,

1119
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 5: in large part because of the circadian rhythm differential that

1120
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 5: they have to shift they shift their phases of sleep

1121
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 5: and wake. Also, though done over time, they can come

1122
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 5: to adapt to that. But for the rest of us,

1123
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 5: who only shift it basically twice a year or infrequently,

1124
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 5: it can have really significant negative impacts. So I'm not

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Speaker 5: a doctor. I can't explain this to you greater detail

1126
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 5: than that, but I can tell you that there is

1127
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 5: documented evidence that strokes go up maybe eight percent in

1128
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 5: the first couple of days afterward, and heart attacks go

1129
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 5: up significantly in the first couple of days after a

1130
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 5: time shift.

1131
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so how do you prevent that? If your heart's palpitating,

1132
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: you're beating real fast right now, you're sweating, and your

1133
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: arms are going numb, we'll call nine one one. But

1134
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: before you get to that, what do you have to do?

1135
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 5: Well, one of the things that we're starting to understand

1136
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 5: is helpful is to prepare ourselves for that. So I

1137
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 5: don't know if you, before you went to Australia did

1138
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 5: what some people who travel.

1139
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 7: Long distances across multiple time zones do.

1140
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 5: If they start preparing their body for the time they're

1141
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 5: going to be in by going to bed later or

1142
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 5: going to bed earlier, by getting up later or getting

1143
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 5: up earlier start shifting a few days beforehand into their

1144
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 5: new time zone.

1145
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: No, I'm dumb. I would never do that. I'd never

1146
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: do that. I'm stupid you.

1147
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: At all.

1148
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 6: Well, one of the.

1149
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 5: Things that we recommend is if you are some one

1150
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 5: who you who knows that this time change really impacts you,

1151
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 5: and it really impacts me. Not with a heart attack,

1152
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 5: but just generally I don't feel as well for the

1153
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 5: week afterwards. I try to start shifting my sleep cycle

1154
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 5: and my weight cycle to be more like the time

1155
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 5: that I'm going to be in versus the time that

1156
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 5: I'm currently living in. Then ins of abrupt shift, so

1157
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 5: gradually changing because we know that this is coming and

1158
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 5: we can predict it, can be really helpful.

1159
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: Well if you can. But most people, you know, you

1160
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: still have to work and then you go okay, and

1161
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: then I got to pack and I got to make

1162
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: sure everything's in. I'm all excited about traveling. You know,

1163
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: as you're talking about that, I know some people and

1164
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: there's people listening who are in the business of traveling

1165
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: a lot. And you're going to different countries different times.

1166
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: You know, P and G notorious for that. Does that

1167
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: shape yours off your life?

1168
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 5: I think there's evidence to indicate it has some pretty

1169
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 5: significant medical impacts.

1170
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,439
Speaker 1: Yes, I know third work and third shift does.

1171
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 5: Oh yes, absolutely does, and shifting time zones like that.

1172
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 5: Our bodies are not designed to do that, and our

1173
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 5: modern technology allows it, but our bodies are not actually

1174
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 5: physically designed to do that. So it creates stress in

1175
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 5: our body, It creates differences in cortisol levels, it creates

1176
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 5: differences in our serotonin levels, which is one of the

1177
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 5: neuroreceptors neurotransmitters used for mood regulation. And so these differences

1178
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 5: over long periods of time can have negative consequences. And

1179
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 5: I believe that there now studies about protocols for how

1180
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 5: to help people who have shift work or who travel

1181
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 5: across multiple time zones regularly, to help them manage that better.

1182
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 5: But it's something that needs to be carefully managed because

1183
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,959
Speaker 5: our bodies don't adapt to that. Anybody who's traveled internationally

1184
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 5: and has jet lag knows that it can take you

1185
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 5: twenty four to thirty six hours to sort of get

1186
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 5: back in the groove again, and then when you come

1187
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 5: back home the same thing can be true.

1188
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: She's Julie Hatas Share, our licensed mental health expert Monday more.

1189
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: It's always Julie of course, talking about mental health Monday

1190
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: at the Be Connected Care. The time change. Yeah, it's

1191
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: okay right now because you've got a next hour sleep,

1192
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: But you know you still feel effects of this too,

1193
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: because heart attrack rates are up, motor vehicle accidents. Your

1194
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: mental health starts to stuffer at that, you get because

1195
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: if you can't handle the sleep very well, there's depression.

1196
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 1: Seasonal effective disorder is a huge one.

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00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 5: It is, and that is triggered by the time change

1198
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 5: and exacerbated by the increased darkness. So seasonal effective disorder

1199
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 5: is our body's response to not having enough sunlight in

1200
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 5: our day, and people feel that in many different ways.

1201
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 5: People who live in communities that are not very sunshiny,

1202
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 5: like Seattle, often have a low level of seasonal effective

1203
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 5: disorder year round. People who live in areas that are

1204
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 5: more sunshiny, and then once winter comes they get less

1205
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 5: of it becomes more acute. So you can have it

1206
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 5: sort of consistently or you can have it acutely, depending

1207
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 5: upon the seasonal change. But our bodies need sunlight. It

1208
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 5: helps with mood regulation, it helps with sleep regulation, it

1209
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 5: helps with stress levels, cortisol levels. It helps with adrenaline.

1210
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 5: It is important for us to have sunshine in our lives,

1211
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 5: and when we go to work in the dark and

1212
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 5: come home in the dark and we're not outside during

1213
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 5: the day, it's a problem. Those sunlamps really do help.

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01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a happy any bright light, yeah, yeah,

1215
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 1: because it has to be when a certain spectrum.

1216
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 5: Correct exactly, it has to be within a certain spectrum.

1217
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 5: You have to use it ideally at particular times of day,

1218
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 5: four particular lengths of time in order to mimic the

1219
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:47,959
Speaker 5: impact of sunlight through your eyes, which has a huge

1220
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 5: effect on your brain. So it's not just about sitting

1221
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 5: under any light.

1222
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 7: It's about the.

1223
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 5: Type of light that sunlight is coming through your eyes

1224
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 5: and hitting your brain. You can get that just also

1225
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 5: by ten or fifteen minutes outside with no sunglasses on,

1226
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 5: if it's not terribly bright.

1227
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So it's just the sun, the effect of

1228
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: the sun itself, the vitamin D, the things that brings

1229
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: with it. You mentioned different times of the day when

1230
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: you should be exposed. What are you talking what's optimal first.

1231
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 5: Thing in the morning, before you start your day. Ideally

1232
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 5: fifteen to thirty minutes of sunlight, because that triggers your

1233
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 5: body into recognizing that it's awake and time to work now,

1234
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 5: and your brain starts creating all of those hormones that

1235
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 5: you need in order to go through your day and

1236
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 5: do a really good job going through your day.

1237
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 7: And then sometimes.

1238
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 5: If you have a slump in the middle of the day,

1239
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 5: that's another really good time to get some sunlight through

1240
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 5: your eyes because that will again stimulate your brain to

1241
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 5: produce the hormones that provide energy and cognition and keep

1242
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 5: you sharp and focused. And then later at night, as

1243
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 5: you're starting to wind down, you want to decrease blue

1244
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 5: lights so screen time, and increase warm light in your home,

1245
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 5: and then that makes the transition to sleep easier and

1246
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 5: makes your sleep more RESTful so that you can get

1247
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 5: up the next day and do it again.

1248
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: All right, So what about that? She you mentioned the

1249
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 1: sleep shifting and getting used to this thing, But how

1250
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: often should you? What about naps? I think that's a

1251
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: good one too, because it feels like, you know, especially

1252
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: when it's gray and darken, we just want to curl

1253
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: up and heaven, Well, why do naps get such a

1254
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: bad rap?

1255
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,919
Speaker 5: I don't know why naps got such a bad rap.

1256
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 5: But I also don't know why sleep got such a

1257
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 5: bad rap. I mean, do you remember back in the

1258
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 5: days when people used to say, I'll sleep when I'm dead,

1259
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 5: and people used to brag about getting by on three

1260
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 5: or four.

1261
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 7: Hours of sleep a night.

1262
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 5: And we know physiologically and mentally and emotionally that we

1263
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 5: most of us need seven to nine hours of sleep

1264
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,560
Speaker 5: a night, good quality sleep. So if you are someone

1265
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 5: who needs a nap in the middle of the day,

1266
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 5: what the recommendation currently is is that you don't go

1267
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 5: for more than about thirty minutes you take a power nap.

1268
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 5: Anything more than that you're getting into a full sleep cycle.

1269
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 5: And if you interrupt a full sleep so that leaves

1270
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 5: you feeling groggier and more disconnected than before you went in.

1271
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 7: And so fifteen to.

1272
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 5: Thirty minutes is ideal for most people, and just one

1273
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 5: of those a day to kind of boost your energy

1274
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 5: and boost your mood can be real. I don't know

1275
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 5: why NAP's got a bad rap, for that.

1276
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: Have to be when I appear and work ethic, right,

1277
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: and somehow you're napping your slacker right, Well, I.

1278
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 5: Mean there is that, although I remember there were a

1279
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 5: few times in my life when I would take my

1280
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 5: lunch hour and go to my car and nap for

1281
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 5: thirty minutes, and then get back into the office and

1282
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 5: work again because I was so tired. You can't really

1283
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 5: nap at your desk. I go hang out in my

1284
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 5: car and nap and then come back in.

1285
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: I don't know about the napping cubes. I just the

1286
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 1: people I work with. I don't want to lay where

1287
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: they lay. You know what to say, I do know

1288
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: what you mean.

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Speaker 6: Wow, I'm lucky.

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Speaker 7: I have a couch in my office.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I could lay down on my couch if I needed.

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Speaker 1: Now, five ten minutes, if you need. I'm not a

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Speaker 1: big napper. When I do it, hits, it's good. It's good.

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Speaker 1: I don't mind doing it. If you need to take it,

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Speaker 1: it makes you more productive. I understand. We don't encourage

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Speaker 1: it more. Now you could be like some people and

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Speaker 1: probably have a two hour nap. That's much.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's too much, because then you're you're all the

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Speaker 5: way through one and into your second sleep cycle. A

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01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 5: complete sleep cycle lasts about ninety minutes, so the first

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Speaker 5: part of the sleep.

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Speaker 7: Cycle is the really restorative. That's why the first thirty

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01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 7: minutes is great.

1305
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 5: That thirty minute nap once you move into the second

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01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 5: part of the sleep cycle, if you awake from that

1307
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 5: in the middle of it, it's really.

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01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 7: Hard to get back on track again.

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Speaker 5: That's when you wake up and your groggy, and you

1310
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 5: actually maybe feel worse than before you took the nap

1311
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 5: because you're in that second part of the sleep cycle.

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Speaker 5: It's not really helpful. So that's why the thirty minutes

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Speaker 5: is pretty much ideal.

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Speaker 1: Which time change is worse the Sprague one or listen,

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Speaker 1: I think it'd be this one. Now, granted we're still

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Speaker 1: going to get an extra hour sleep. You love that one.

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01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: Bars are open. If you're younger, that means the bars

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01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: are open for the next hour. But for those of

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Speaker 1: us adults like to me, it's like, this is worse

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Speaker 1: because we know what's coming. You know that we're not

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Speaker 1: going to see the sun. It's going to get dark

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01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: and gloomy, and you're going to leave for work it's

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01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: going to be dark, and get home for work it's

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Speaker 1: going to be dark. There's no joy in that, there's

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Speaker 1: nothing of forward to until we fix it in the spring.

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Speaker 5: Physiologically, the research indicates that both have similar impact on

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Speaker 5: our bodies. I think it's the meaning we make of it.

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Speaker 5: So to your point, the spring, we lose an hour

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01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 5: of sweep, but we know that warmer, brighter, sunnier days

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Speaker 5: are coming.

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Speaker 7: However, there are people who really.

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Speaker 5: Like winter, and so for them, this season that's coming

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01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 5: up is not gloomy and doomy.

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Speaker 7: It is really fun.

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Speaker 5: They like outdoor sports, they like the colder weather. They

1336
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 5: really enjoy, you know, coziness around a fire. So for

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01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 5: them winter is actually a lovely season and they're not

1338
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 5: disliking it at all. So physiologically the change is very similar,

1339
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 5: or the effect is very similar. It's the meaning we

1340
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 5: make of it that makes for me and you spring

1341
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 5: an easier one to manage than fall.

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Speaker 1: I might be a freak, but I enjoy winter. I

1343
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: like fall a lot. I like winter. I like winter

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01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: up until about maybe March. By then it's like, okay,

1345
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: now it's wet and gloomy and just nasty, can't do

1346
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: Anything's rains all the time. That's depressing. I like nice

1347
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: white snowfalls, something like that. Get a couple of feet

1348
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: of snow on the ground, a fire, I'm good. But

1349
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: then one it's just dooming. Blooming right, we don't have that,

1350
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: so and then after that, yeah, by February, February starts

1351
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 1: to roll around. When pictures and Catchers report, it's like, okay,

1352
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: it needs to be over, and then we got two

1353
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: mile months of misery is a problem.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Pictures and Catchers report used to be a national

1355
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 5: holiday in my household when my kids were young. That

1356
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 5: was their favorite day of the year. Race fall season

1357
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 5: was starting.

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Speaker 1: It's over.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's over, yeah, exactly, and that's when things should

1360
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Speaker 5: start to get warmer.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 5: Like you, I like winter. I like a cold Christmas

1363
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 5: and a cold New Year. And then you know, early

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Speaker 5: mid January, I'm.

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Speaker 7: Kind of done.

1366
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Speaker 5: I'm ready for it to start getting warmer again.

1367
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Speaker 1: Well did you also notice too that the older, when

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Speaker 1: as you get older, you want more sunshine.

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Speaker 5: Why isn't Yes, Well, because it helps regulate our mood,

1370
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,800
Speaker 5: it helps regulate our energy. Sunshine is really important for

1371
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 5: all of the processes in our body, and the older

1372
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Speaker 5: we get, the more challenging physically things can become, the

1373
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 5: more we need every little bit of help we can access,

1374
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Speaker 5: and sunlight is important. Darkness feels darker the older I

1375
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Speaker 5: get I agree with you, and winter feels more wintery

1376
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 5: and yuckie the older I get, and I think that

1377
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 5: that is pretty common. It's harder to stay warm when

1378
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 5: you're older, it's harder to navigate in the.

1379
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Speaker 7: Dark when you're older.

1380
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Speaker 5: And we need more of the serotone and the dopamine

1381
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 5: that sunlight provides us, and we need more of the

1382
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 5: cortisol to get us going in through our day that

1383
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 5: the sunlight provides that, because as we get older, our

1384
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Speaker 5: brains produce less of that.

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Speaker 1: Naturally, I get cortisol dopamine. I'm here for Julie Hattersh

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Speaker 1: here at be Connected dot Care. That's let her be

1387
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Speaker 1: Connected dot Care if you want to reach out, maybe

1388
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: a topic for a future segment or a question for her.

1389
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Speaker 1: She practices out of Clifton at Beconnected dot Care. And Hey,

1390
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: Julie is the handle for the email Julie Hattershare Mental Health,

1391
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: money and the Scott Slan Show all the best. Thanks

1392
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: for jumping on, have a great weekranks you too, Yeah,

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01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: thank you. I got to get a news update and

1394
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: then when we return, Austin Elmore's here. So far, no

1395
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: worried about anybody getting fired down at pay Corp. Shouldn't

1396
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: someone be fired for this? We'll name names coming up

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01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: with Austin as the watches on for a sacrificial lamb

1398
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: down with the football team after yesterday's historic disasters loss out,

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01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 1: back to back historic disasters loss losses. Here on the

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Speaker 1: home of the best Bengals coverage Scotsland putting the dope

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Speaker 1: and dopamine on seven hundred WW.

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Speaker 6: Since you want to American, All right.

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01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: Here we go. We have good news today. Good news today.

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01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:38,920
Speaker 1: Dodgers won the World Series. Some really good news. I

1405
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: opened the Jays would win. I don't know how it

1406
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: makes the Reds look any bad or worse, but nonetheless

1407
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: we have shootings. And speaking of sports, we had the Bengals.

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01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 1: If you thought last week against the Jets was the

1409
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: worst ever, literally they said, hold on, hold on, hold

1410
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: my beer, hold my rhyangeist watch this and normally the

1411
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 1: football game and the script is always this. In the

1412
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,640
Speaker 1: extremely unlikely event you recover an on side kick, and

1413
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: then and they more extremely unlikely version you got and

1414
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: you score a touchdown to go ahead, You do not

1415
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: lose the game. It is that is that is written

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01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: in stone, right, well, it is written in stone. Austin

1417
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: Elmore from ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 8: The last two times the Bengals have recovered an on

1419
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 8: side kick, they've lost the game. It doesn't happen. They

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Speaker 8: did it in twenty nineteen. You might remember the Burrow

1421
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 8: Bowl I do against the Miami Dolphins where they feverishly

1422
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 8: came back and ended up losing that game, which secured

1423
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Speaker 8: the number one pick. And then yesterday feverishly came back

1424
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 8: and with fifty seconds and Caleb Williams everybody who's a

1425
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 8: Bengals fan said that's way too much time, when it

1426
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 8: was they only needed like twenty yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I say that, I tell you because this

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01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: is more insulting than the Jets loss. I don't know

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01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: to me, simply because it's an on seven team, you're

1430
01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: gonna play like you got nothing. Chicago comes you the

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01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: game one in a little of the closing seconds, all

1432
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: you had to do is make it to just stop

1433
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: the one guy that's it. Did you did you say

1434
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,640
Speaker 1: like this game should have could have and would have

1435
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: been won. Did you really think when the Bengals scored

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01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: the touchdown to go up one point and Chicago had

1437
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: fifty seconds and a time out. I thought the Stan

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Speaker 1: which stick.

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01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 8: The Bengals were going to win, Nooty exactly. Nobody thought

1440
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 8: they were going to win. If nothing else, they kick

1441
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 8: a field goal and they get out of there.

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Speaker 1: But giving up that it's third and ten, Austin, I know,

1443
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 1: all you need to do is tackle.

1444
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 8: All you have to do, Scott were nine games in.

1445
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 8: This is who they are. The expectation is no longer

1446
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 8: for them to win football games. It is how badly

1447
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 8: are they going to screw up the chances they do have?

1448
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 8: Like I winned that game yesterday. I thought Chicago was

1449
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 8: going to win by fourteen points. Right, they were right there.

1450
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 8: And to you know, to the Bengals credit, they fought hard.

1451
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 8: They played pretty well, at least offensively. They kept themselves

1452
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 8: in the game. But defensively, I knew if they needed

1453
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 8: to have a stop, they had to get a stop.

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01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no way it was going to happen.

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01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:05,240
Speaker 1: All right. Here's why.

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01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 2: Now.

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01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: Normally, like at eleven thirty five of James with Peena,

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01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: he's busy. I don't know if he sees something in

1459
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: the tea leaves or whatever. I said, Okay, well we'll

1460
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Speaker 1: do James early this morning. I had him at nine

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Speaker 1: this morning from Sports Illustrated, Locked on Bengals and bengelstock

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Speaker 1: dot com. Great, I said, I'll maybe get Audie or

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Speaker 1: something on later in the show during eleven o'clock hour,

1464
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: because you just have a sense with the other thirty

1465
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Speaker 1: one other cities, it's like somebody's got to pay for this.

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Speaker 1: And I bring that up because Zach Taylor says it's sick,

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01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: it's sick to lose that. I feel sick. I'm sick.

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Speaker 1: I'm sick right now. When a head coach says that,

1469
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: that tells me he's out of answers.

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Speaker 2: Yea.

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Speaker 1: And not only the defense cost the Bengals another game,

1472
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Speaker 1: but it was reported that like all the guys on

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01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: defense and the ones that were a lot of the

1474
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 1: problems were laughing to the media going we're not talking.

1475
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 1: I'll see on Monday, like there were no repercussions for this.

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Speaker 1: And then that's contrasted with guys like Chase Brown and

1477
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: Ti Higgins and Jamar Chase and all those other guys,

1478
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: like a number of offensive players were legitimately pissed off

1479
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Speaker 1: about this, talking badly in the locker room about the

1480
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Speaker 1: defense and the defensive players and responsible like Ah Okay, see,

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Speaker 1: I see on Monday, I'm talking to you whatever. That

1482
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: tells me that there's no control in the locker, Like literally,

1483
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: they're losing control. If they haven't lost control, right, you've

1484
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: lost the room, as they say in hockey. Yeah.

1485
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 8: So what I keep hearing from people around the team

1486
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 8: is that there is completely no leadership. Nothing on the

1487
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Speaker 8: defensive side of the ball. There's a lack of culture.

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01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 8: There's a lack of leadership. There are not veterans who

1489
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 8: are doing their job and keeping the young guys in line.

1490
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 8: So Logan Wilson and bj Hill and Trey Henderson they're

1491
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 8: not doing that. They're not those guys in terms of,

1492
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 8: you know, kind of being the leaders in the tent

1493
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 8: pole guys to eedbuddy rally around. And it's more than anything,

1494
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 8: a bunch of kids just walking around thinking everything's funny,

1495
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 8: enjoying life in the NFL instead of grown men at work.

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Speaker 8: And that's a major issue for this and there's no

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Speaker 8: repercussions for it.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 8: Part of it is if you bench a team captain

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Speaker 8: and Logan Wilson, well then okay, well he's he's not

1502
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,719
Speaker 8: going to be a part of the solution. Trey Hendrickson hurt. Okay,

1503
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 8: he's not going to be a part of the solution.

1504
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 8: But even when those guys were healthy, they weren't part

1505
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 8: of it. Really vocal yell yeah exactly. So again, the

1506
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 8: Bengals have kind of just put this collection of people

1507
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 8: into the Bengals defensive locker room and hoping for a

1508
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 8: leader to emerge. I mean, Zach said it after the

1509
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 8: loss last week. Somebody in that room has to step up. Well,

1510
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 8: they don't have the personalities or the performances correctly mixed

1511
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 8: together to do that.

1512
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 1: Because it's about talent, but it's also about chemistry.

1513
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 8: It is it's about chemistry. It's it's also about there's

1514
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 8: a certain level of maturity as to understanding fully what

1515
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 8: your job is, what's required of you, and how you

1516
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 8: can become a better person, a person and player. And

1517
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 8: there's a humility that comes with that. I think of

1518
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 8: Jordan Battle for an example, last play of the game,

1519
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 8: essentially the Colston Loveland touchdown. Jordan Battle had had a

1520
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 8: solid game tackling. He had actually looked like maybe he had,

1521
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 8: you know, tackled pretty well. But in that moment, instead

1522
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 8: of wrapping up and tackling Colston Lovelin. He didn't put

1523
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 8: his arms out, he lowered his shoulder. He tried to

1524
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,600
Speaker 8: hurt basically, tried to hit him as hard as he

1525
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 8: possibly could. Yes, and he bounced. That guy is six

1526
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,640
Speaker 8: foot six, two hundred and seven pounds. He bounced right

1527
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 8: off of him and scored a touchdown. You have to

1528
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 8: be able to discern in those moments. Okay, it's not

1529
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,040
Speaker 8: about the big hit here. It's about tackling clock running

1530
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 8: and giving ourselves a chance to win. The Bengals have

1531
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 8: too many players like that, and unfortunately, you know, I

1532
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 8: know the reports coming out of the locker room of

1533
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 8: the laughing and we'll see you guys on Monday. I

1534
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 8: need a little bit more context on that. I would

1535
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,719
Speaker 8: like to have some more contexts because the other people

1536
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 8: that cover the Bengals, nobody really said that. It really

1537
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 8: came from Trags, and I appreciate Trags saying that. I

1538
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 8: want to know more about what was asked of them.

1539
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 8: How was that asked of them? Either way, it's soft

1540
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 8: not to speak to the media after a loss. You

1541
01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 8: mentioned Jamar Chase does it, Chase Brown does it, Joe

1542
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 8: Flacco does it, Zach Taylor does it? Those are grown men.

1543
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 8: Those are leaders on the team. They don't laugh it

1544
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 8: off and say we'll see you guys on Monday.

1545
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1546
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 8: I don't assume that they thought it was funny that

1547
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 8: they lost. I think they thought it was funny that

1548
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 8: the reporters wanted to talk to him. And that's an

1549
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 8: issue and again a sign of immature.

1550
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 1: When you see that conflict, right, it's the dichotomy between

1551
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: that attitude and literally guys in the offense grown animals

1552
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: crying and how angry they are that that could possibly happen.

1553
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: That they show so well, that Joe Flacco played so

1554
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: incredibly well, yeah, that they allow that to occur and

1555
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: think it's funny, think it's okay. There's no accountability now,

1556
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,560
Speaker 1: defensive players not asking questions and duck in the media.

1557
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 1: At what point do we call accountability for Duke Toben

1558
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 1: and we come and go, hey, listen, I said this earlier, James, Like,

1559
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: no one in Cincinnati say maybe you Dawson, and people

1560
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: followus real closely. You wouldn't know what that guy look

1561
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: like down the street. There's plenty of general manager's player

1562
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 1: personal guys that are accountable will come on and talk

1563
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: to me to we don't hear anything about that. It

1564
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: seems to be important and they're not doing it. But

1565
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 1: that then that tells you, Okay, well, how much is

1566
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: it on him? I'd love to hear his side of this,

1567
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, they don't get that out. He doesn't talk,

1568
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to talk. The Bengals protect him from talking,

1569
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: and he needs to be relieved of his duties. He's

1570
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: been here since nineteen ninety nine and really the vast

1571
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: majority of his success has come when they're picking inside

1572
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: the top ten, which anybody can pick those players, anybody

1573
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: can pick Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase, And a lot

1574
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:28,799
Speaker 1: of it also came at the hands of Marvin Lewis,

1575
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 1: who had a really good staff that built player scouts

1576
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: and development people that were really really good at it.

1577
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 1: And that was one of Marvin's strengths. He was able

1578
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: to get the most out of what he had. And

1579
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: outside of that, Duke Tobin hasn't really done very much

1580
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: at all. Now they've expanded their scouting department, they've expanded

1581
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,919
Speaker 1: their research that they have gotten bigger in that regard,

1582
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: but it feels like they're going backwards when it comes

1583
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: to how they're building a team. They did nothing. Duke

1584
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: Tobin did nothing about the safety position. And what has

1585
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 1: been the biggest on this defense so far this year,

1586
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: it's been those two safeties, Jordan Battle and Geno Stone.

1587
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 8: It also goes back to Jesse Bates. This team hasn't

1588
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 8: made the playoffs since Jesse Bates left. Yeah, and they've

1589
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 8: tried to replace him with Dax Hill. That didn't work.

1590
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,639
Speaker 8: So Duke Tobin needs to be in the crossairs. Duke

1591
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,759
Speaker 8: Tobin should be fired. He should not have a job.

1592
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 8: And that is easy for me to say, It's easy

1593
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 8: for anybody who watches this team and understands this team

1594
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 8: and has a brain between their ear holes that Duke

1595
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 8: Tobin should no longer be employed. But he feels so

1596
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 8: insulated within the organization because he's been there since nineteen

1597
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 8: ninety nine that calling for his head or having those

1598
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 8: conversations seem pointless. That's a problem for this organization.

1599
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: What led to another record, but what led to Marvin

1600
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 1: lewis being related to duties. I think the team ownership

1601
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: felt it so much from the fan base sure that

1602
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 1: they had to make a change, and I think at

1603
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: the time mister Brown said Mike Brown said, I didn't

1604
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: want to do this, We really didn't want to. But

1605
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 1: you feel the same contact are worse.

1606
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 8: I do, and I think that the presence of Elizabeth

1607
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 8: Blackburn in that organization and the other daughter, Caroline Blackburn,

1608
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 8: I think those two have more pull than they've ever

1609
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 8: had before, and they care deeply about the external view

1610
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,719
Speaker 8: of the Bengals. Yeah, they care about what people think,

1611
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 8: and they should NFL team should care about what their

1612
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 8: fans think. Do I think that's enough to sway Mike

1613
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 8: Brown and Katie Probably not, But I do think they

1614
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 8: have a seat at the table, and I do think

1615
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 8: that matters now. Part of the reason also that Marvi

1616
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 8: ended up getting canned is they had about three drafts

1617
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 8: in a row where they missed on a lot of

1618
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 8: players familiar, and that's exactly what's happening here as well.

1619
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 8: They've missed and they've set themselves back years and years,

1620
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 8: and so it might be time now. Listen, if you

1621
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 8: fire Al Golden today, I think that's the right move

1622
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:56,960
Speaker 8: because he's not doing a good enough job with this group.

1623
01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 8: But also there's a bunch of bad players on this

1624
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 8: grip and it's not really going to change anything look

1625
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 8: at that, I would right.

1626
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 1: I made this point of lou Anaromo goes to Indy,

1627
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: gets shown the door, having a great year in Indianapolis.

1628
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 1: I mean they lost the package that they are lost

1629
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: to the Steelers yesterday, but okay, they're having a good

1630
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 1: season with lou Anarumo. What does that tell you about

1631
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: this defense? He leaves, they put Al Golden in and

1632
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: the defense arguably got worse. How much do you I

1633
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: don't hang much of this on Al Golden because it's

1634
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: a small sample size. I think it's what we're talking about.

1635
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: What's the one consonan It's the personnel that you're getting

1636
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 1: in there. It's the Bengals going to put an all

1637
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:35,879
Speaker 1: world record up for allowing hours after hit initial contact.

1638
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 1: It's why they're like eight hundred yards now after the

1639
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: first context. It's insane numbers. And and also Zach Taylor,

1640
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:43,720
Speaker 1: how much of the how much you should be on

1641
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: head coach Ac Taylor? Granted he runs the offense. Offense

1642
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: is fine. So I don't know if I have the

1643
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: beef with Zach or Al Golden as much as I

1644
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 1: did Duke Topin.

1645
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 8: I yes, everybody, the most beef should absolutely go to

1646
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 8: Duke Topin, let's let's not let's not forget about that. However,

1647
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 8: if you operate on to the assumption that Duke is

1648
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 8: insulated from criticism, which he is. They don't let him

1649
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 8: talk to the media, he doesn't do any of that,

1650
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 8: and so you have to kind of operate from the

1651
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 8: idea that Duke Tobin's not going to be relieved of

1652
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 8: his duties. I look at the defense and I say,

1653
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 8: Al Golden has not done a good enough job putting

1654
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 8: his guys in position. And I think back as an

1655
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 8: Ohio State fan to the National Championship Game. Biggest play

1656
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 8: of the game, third down. He goes one on one

1657
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 8: with the best football player in the country, Jeremiah Smith,

1658
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 8: cooks his cornerback catches the ball.

1659
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 1: Ohio State wins the championship.

1660
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 8: That was a stupid play call by Al Golden the

1661
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 8: National Championship Game. There have been stupid play calls by

1662
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 8: Al Golden as a defensive coordinator this year. Is it

1663
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 8: all his fault? No, because there are a bunch of

1664
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 8: bad players. I think eventually all roads lead back to

1665
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 8: Zach Taylor. This was Zach's guy, right, Zach hired Al

1666
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 8: Golden his buddy, his neighbor, his guy who was here previously,

1667
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 8: the continuity and the familiarity of previously. I think that's

1668
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,600
Speaker 8: a Zach Taylor issue. I think Zach has struggled to

1669
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,799
Speaker 8: find the right position coaches at times over the years,

1670
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 8: and that has had a negative impact on scouting and

1671
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 8: development because of the weight that is put on Bengals coaches,

1672
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 8: specifically in this organization. And I think eventually all roads

1673
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:15,240
Speaker 8: lead back to Zach Taylor, and he has failed to

1674
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 8: build a defensive staff because again, think about it, Zach

1675
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 8: delegates mostly everything on defense.

1676
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: He's done.

1677
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 8: I think you could make the argument this is one

1678
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 8: of the most impressive offensive coaching seasons of Taylor down ye,

1679
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:33,879
Speaker 8: incredibly impressive, but he delegates basically everything to the defensive

1680
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 8: side of the ball. Louis Arumo was basically the head

1681
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 8: coach last year on defense, right, Yeah, and that's fine.

1682
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 8: People do that across the league all the time. But

1683
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 8: there is not a respect or an appreciation for Al

1684
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 8: Golden like there was for lou Ana Arumo. It started

1685
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,120
Speaker 8: to be a mutiny last year where guys were turning

1686
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 8: on lou The organization saw the disconnect, so they kind

1687
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 8: of scaped. Goat lou Well, now you're starting to figure

1688
01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 8: out maybe it's actually the players on the team, right, You.

1689
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 1: Fire Al Golden and get somebody else in and you

1690
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: get the same result that what Yeah, And again that

1691
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 1: finger points back to Duke Tobin, right, but it also

1692
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: points back to Zach Taylor because these are his guys

1693
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: and his coaches, and he has to say in all

1694
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: of that as well, all right, I don't I don't

1695
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: like It's they have come to a point where you

1696
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: have five years left basically in the Burrow era, and

1697
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: they have gone through the last six years basically of failure,

1698
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: two really good seasons.

1699
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 8: Burrow's been hurt a lot. You have five years left

1700
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 8: in the NFL. Five years is the blink of an eye,

1701
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 8: It really is. You have to clean house now and

1702
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 8: try to build this thing up so you have at

1703
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 8: least a chance at the end of this thing over

1704
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 8: the next five ye and keep Burrow healthy.

1705
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: Because it's not just that, it's also what the on

1706
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 1: line is doing. Of course, you mentioned safety and defense,

1707
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: and it's there's this is not like a ay off season,

1708
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: we'll get it squared away. It should have been addressed

1709
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: this year in the upcoming season, and now you pushed

1710
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: all that back, and how much longer has that reduced

1711
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 1: that window? Because now you've got to do it over

1712
01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: maybe the next two seasons, right, correct, You're not gonna

1713
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: do this in one. Yeah, I'm right there with you,

1714
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: which again tells me why you need to start thinking

1715
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 1: ahead right now, which means trade Tree, Hendrickson, trade Logan Wilson,

1716
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: trade anybody, you can trade, stockpiled draft picks, maybe use

1717
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 1: that in the offseason to go and get some other

1718
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:16,719
Speaker 1: better players. They're looking at sixty five to seventy million

1719
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: dollars in cap space next year, which is certainly doable.

1720
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 1: You can turn things around with that amount of money.

1721
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: I know everybody wants to think that they're broke because

1722
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 1: of Joe Burrow and Jamar Chasen t against. Oh, by

1723
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: the way, the restructuring for Joe Burrow's contracts haven't even

1724
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: hit yet, so you can expand that money even more so.

1725
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:35,600
Speaker 8: I do think you can turn it around quickly. I

1726
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 8: don't know that you can turn it all around in

1727
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 8: a year. But again, one of the talking points coming

1728
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 8: into this season was can they go from the thirty

1729
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 8: first ranked defense to the twentieth and if they do,

1730
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 8: guess what, they're probably six and two right now. If

1731
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 8: they had the twentieth ranked defense in the NFL, they

1732
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 8: would probably be six and two.

1733
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: But instead of thirty one, you're thirty two. Correct one

1734
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 1: thing wrong way.

1735
01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 8: One thing the Bengals have always taught us over the years,

1736
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 8: God is that it can always get work.

1737
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 1: Now, so I can't get worse because there's not thirty

1738
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: three teams. Well maybe, but like that's where we're at,

1739
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: and so you have to, like starting today, start looking

1740
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 1: about looking to next year and the year after and

1741
01:24:15,720 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: the year after that, real quick. Austin Nolmore from esp

1742
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:21,719
Speaker 1: in fifteen thirty. Can you do that without? Because two things?

1743
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: You fire Al Golden, Let's say that happened. They're doing

1744
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: that right now, Okay, okay, sory a fire Duke Tobin.

1745
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 1: Do you need him to unload players? Do you need

1746
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: him to stock draft picked? I don't think you do.

1747
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 1: Do you wait until Wednesday? I don't think you do.

1748
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:37,680
Speaker 8: I think there are people in that building that are

1749
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 8: absolutely capable of doing that. Number One, Katie can do

1750
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 8: it if she needed to, because she did it for

1751
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:45,640
Speaker 8: a long time. Andrew Johnson has been in that organization

1752
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 8: for a long time. He's a scouting executive, Trey Brown,

1753
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 8: who is multiple times interviewed for GM positions across the league.

1754
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 8: He might make the most sense as the internal candidate

1755
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 8: to promote if you wanted to do that. Now, I

1756
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 8: think they should go external. But there are people in

1757
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,679
Speaker 8: that organization that can absolut and Mike was the GM

1758
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 8: for years. Mike can do it as well. Again, I'm

1759
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 8: talking about just offloading players now. I don't know if

1760
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 8: I want the building, the future the franchise in those hands.

1761
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 8: But if you're moving on.

1762
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: But listen, Dukes and everybody's on the table, well pretty

1763
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: much everybody on the defense on the defense, Yeah, who's

1764
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:18,840
Speaker 1: off table?

1765
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 8: Uh? Nobody? Maybe DJ Turner d good. Yesterday Romo Dunes.

1766
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 8: They had zero catches for zero yards. He had one

1767
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,439
Speaker 8: catch that he could have been a touchdown. Guess who

1768
01:25:29,439 --> 01:25:32,759
Speaker 8: was covering him, Geno Stone, not DJ Turner. You build

1769
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,640
Speaker 8: around DJ Turner. You're still open to the idea of

1770
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 8: building around Shamar Stewart's only eight games into his career

1771
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 8: and played that much. But yeah, Trey Hendrickson is a

1772
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:44,600
Speaker 8: perfect example. Trey Hendrickson is here right now because the

1773
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 8: Bengals for some reason, thought they could win the super

1774
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 8: Bowl this year. That's the only reason who's here. They

1775
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 8: basically told him to his face, we don't believe in

1776
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 8: you moving forward. We think you're gonna get older, you

1777
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 8: think you're gonna get a hurt. We're not believing it.

1778
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 8: And Bengals have a long history of that. When guys

1779
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,679
Speaker 8: turned thirty and they said we want you back because

1780
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 8: we think who can win the super Bowl this year?

1781
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 8: Well that's gone. It's over that, that hope is no

1782
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 8: longer with the team. Get as much as you can now,

1783
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 8: I'm real quickly.

1784
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: We only got seconds likelihood that this summon goes since

1785
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 1: Duke Tobin, al Golden, Zach Taylor all three two to three?

1786
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,719
Speaker 1: Does it happen? Uh? Today?

1787
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 8: No, I don't think it happened. What about Wednesday? No,

1788
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 8: I don't think it's going to happen during the season.

1789
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 8: That's something else right there.

1790
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 1: I agree. And you're out trying to sell season tickets

1791
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 1: too with a higher price. Yeah, good luck, good luck

1792
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: with that, and then good luck.

1793
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 8: I would be shocked if there were any in season moves,

1794
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 8: just because I know how this organization operates.

1795
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 1: I don't expect it at all. More on this and

1796
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. Austin and Tony at Newon on

1797
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: ESPN fifty thirty appreciation, Thank you, We'll do news and

1798
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 1: Council member Seth Walschnez check out my Facebook and X page.

1799
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely shocking what happened after the shooting in OTR. That's

1800
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 1: next seven hundred horrible weekend in Cincinnati, not only the

1801
01:26:55,200 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: football field, but of course with violent seven people shot

1802
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 1: and two different shootings over the weekend and carthage and

1803
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: two locations there one person dead and then a handful

1804
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: of people shot in OTR outside of nightclub out there

1805
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: inside of Privy, which is literally steps away from Ryan Geist.

1806
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: I just posted this on my Facebook feed at Scott

1807
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 1: Sloan and at X at Scott Sloan video shared with

1808
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: me that shows the day after the morning after the

1809
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:22,280
Speaker 1: shooting in OTR, a gun was found in the grass

1810
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 1: right across from seat. How do you miss a gun

1811
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 1: in the grass across the street unless it was maybe

1812
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 1: thrown there after? But I don't know why to do that. Well,

1813
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 1: there's cops and crime scene tape up. If you want

1814
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 1: to see it, go there. It's just a horrific look

1815
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: for our city, and we don't need any more bad

1816
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:38,679
Speaker 1: looks these days, for sure. Joining the show this morning

1817
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW about the shootings and of course

1818
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 1: what happened on Friday with the video releasing showing that

1819
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:46,320
Speaker 1: the city got it all wrong, and who was the

1820
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 1: aggressor in the July twenty sixth brawl downtown. That would

1821
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 1: be concole member Seth Walsh back again on the Big One, Seth,

1822
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: Good morning, Yeah, horrible weekend in Cincinnati. How much does

1823
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 1: it Well, we'll start with us. You're out campaigning, are

1824
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,759
Speaker 1: on the streets, You're out on the streets this weekend.

1825
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 1: Have we become just simply numb to the steady drum

1826
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 1: beat of this kind of violence? I mean, seven shot

1827
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:10,679
Speaker 1: in one weekends a lot.

1828
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 3: It is a lot.

1829
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 9: I don't think we've gotten numb to it. I certainly haven't.

1830
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,639
Speaker 9: I'm pretty furious this morning yesterday when when I heard

1831
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 9: the news, I mean, especially the violence that we saw

1832
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 9: outside of Privy. I mean that was something that in

1833
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 9: my opinion, was incredibly preventable and frankly, something that I've

1834
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:33,599
Speaker 9: been raising concerns about since April and the city didn't

1835
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 9: step in and solve it, and we have to do better.

1836
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 9: This is just it's an unacceptable position for us to

1837
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 9: be sitting as in the city having this conversation today,

1838
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 9: knowing what we knew going into this weekend.

1839
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 1: So this is the OTR shooting in particular, it was

1840
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 1: used to be pash Events I think was event Center

1841
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 1: and now it's Privy Nightclub. And it looks like, you know,

1842
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 1: they got the velvet rope up if that's you're seene,

1843
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 1: got security guards, I guess armed security there the velvet

1844
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 1: rope they wand you before getting out of the club.

1845
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: Allegedly what caused that was someone was turned away at

1846
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 1: the door for whatever reason. The video I just shared

1847
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: on my social feed at x and at Facebook at

1848
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 1: Scott Sloan shows a gun across the street from where

1849
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: the police were hours earlier following the shooting. This would

1850
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:17,759
Speaker 1: have been Sunday morning. The shooting happened about one o'clock

1851
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 1: Saturday night, so there's a gun laying in the grass

1852
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: the next morning. Horrible look for the city. What do

1853
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 1: you understand happened and what's the latest that you're hearing

1854
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 1: from the administration? Are those you talk to Seth.

1855
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:32,719
Speaker 9: Honestly, what you just talked about is you know almost

1856
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 9: more than what I've known.

1857
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 1: Okay.

1858
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 9: I reached out yesterday when I saw the news, and

1859
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 9: I have not been given any update on the situation

1860
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 9: and what occurred, which is incredibly frustrating because you know,

1861
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 9: like I said, you know the bar itself. You know,

1862
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 9: as you listed, they are doing things. To be correct,

1863
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 9: I'm trying to prevent instance from happening, but we have

1864
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:54,799
Speaker 9: had a number of quality of life issues and concerns

1865
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 9: ories about them literally for six months now, and it

1866
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 9: seems to just continually asked, waited one way or another,

1867
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 9: not usually within the club, but you know, from an

1868
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 9: impact outside of it, and the fact of the city,

1869
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 9: you know, I think giving me more information concerns me frankly, Yeah.

1870
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean you have ryan Geist right around the corner,

1871
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 1: that's a huge operation. Never any problems there. But we

1872
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: have clubs like this where the clientele is, I don't know,

1873
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, feel that they've got to carry a

1874
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:23,600
Speaker 1: gun with them, which is why I have harm security.

1875
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 1: And personally, I walked to and I'm I and I've

1876
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 1: been this way for a while, but as an old

1877
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 1: man now Seth. I don't know about you. As a young man.

1878
01:30:30,160 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 1: If I go to a place and they pull a

1879
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 1: wand to wand me metal detect or, I go to

1880
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,360
Speaker 1: the metal detector getting the club, I'm not going to

1881
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 1: go in that bar.

1882
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 9: Well, And I think that's part of the objectives of

1883
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 9: the bar was to make sure people knew that that

1884
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 9: wasn't something they were going to tolerate. Obviously, this weekend

1885
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 9: shows that, you know, that's type clientele still was coming

1886
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 9: and results in in a horrible, this horrible tragedy. Also,

1887
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:56,559
Speaker 9: I mean it is literally right across from I guess,

1888
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 9: and so it's it's a very important part of the

1889
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 9: city where the redevelopment efforts have happened and what we're

1890
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 9: trying to work on. We have to find a way

1891
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 9: our owners, they have a lot of responsibility, but we

1892
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 9: can't continually have these impacts where just because they don't

1893
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:16,520
Speaker 9: enter the establishment, they're trying to come to the establishment

1894
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:20,240
Speaker 9: and it's resulting in violence or car breakings after they've

1895
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,000
Speaker 9: left your establishment. At some point we have to start saying,

1896
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 9: like we all have to be holding each other accountable here.

1897
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 9: This is not a one off incident. When when these

1898
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 9: quality of life incidents are just ramping up. What do

1899
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 9: we do to cool it down and make it something

1900
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 9: that it's safe for everybody to go there, because we

1901
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 9: should not have had this violent incident this weekend.

1902
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there wasn't a food truck anywhere around, was there,

1903
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 1: because apparently that's what's causing the violence.

1904
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:45,200
Speaker 2: I don't.

1905
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 3: I don't.

1906
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 9: I mean, I've never seen a food truck up there,

1907
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,719
Speaker 9: but that I don't go up to Ryan guys often enough.

1908
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 1: So sy comment on, well, thank god we got the

1909
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 1: food truck band because I don't know how this is happening.

1910
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: If that we have to investigate that. But nonetheless Seth

1911
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 1: walshon and but that's just the ridiculous of the response.

1912
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,120
Speaker 1: We you know, we've often talked that you've talked about

1913
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: this before. Is all right if it's a if it's

1914
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 1: a known trouble spot. We talked about the hookah bars

1915
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 1: and hookah lounges, and there's there's some bars and places

1916
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: they have multiple service calls there and there's still in

1917
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 1: operation a number of places like that in Roselawn. But

1918
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 1: this is an OTR. This isnt the the heartbeat of

1919
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 1: the entertainment area of Cincinnati. Uh, you've got Halloween weekend,

1920
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of revelers out there, and then

1921
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 1: this kind of nonsense goes down. Uh, And you know,

1922
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 1: I may face it, there's you see students in the

1923
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 1: like they don't feel safe. I've known some parents for

1924
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 1: a while now that every time something like this happens,

1925
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 1: they wring their hands, going, I wonder if I should

1926
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 1: allow my kid to continue going to UC. And that's

1927
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:38,760
Speaker 1: you know, around the Clifton campus obviously. So it's a

1928
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,680
Speaker 1: much bigger problem than that relative to this level of

1929
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: violence that we're looking at, and this this seven shootings

1930
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 1: over the weekend. We'll get to the Carthage one in

1931
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 1: just a second. Here. Have we been proactive enough about

1932
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 1: going after liquor license? I know that the state and

1933
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 1: Mike DeWine, Governor de Wine offered the services of the

1934
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 1: Ohio State Highway Patrol as well as liquor Control to

1935
01:32:57,320 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: come and to start going after these establishments. There's all

1936
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 1: a lot of problems. Has the administration accepted that and

1937
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,960
Speaker 1: leaned into what because I know there's troopers coming down

1938
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 1: like I don't know, one weekend a month or something

1939
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,640
Speaker 1: like that, Like it's the national. I could say the reservists,

1940
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 1: but what about liquor control? Have we leaned into that?

1941
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 9: In my opinion, no, I don't think. I don't think

1942
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 9: we take this series enough. And the reason I keep

1943
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 9: talking about quality of life issues is because those are

1944
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 9: you know, it's a broken window theories that is the

1945
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 9: opening point to when things start to escalate. If we

1946
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 9: don't step in when it's just a noise nuisance, then

1947
01:33:35,240 --> 01:33:36,800
Speaker 9: also you get tar break ins and then you get

1948
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 9: to violence. A lot of the situations that I've personally

1949
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 9: been briefed on over the summer, it seems like there

1950
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 9: were these warning signs and red flags that lead to

1951
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 9: the incident ultimately happening, that we were like, oh man,

1952
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 9: who could have seen this coming? Well, the quality of

1953
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 9: life issues certainly gave us a good sign that we

1954
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 9: should intervene earlier.

1955
01:33:55,280 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 3: In this case.

1956
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 9: In particular, what frustrates me is that as a member

1957
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 9: of Sincinet City Council and I've personally told the city

1958
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 9: manager about my concerns around that bar and that establishment

1959
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 9: and the results, and I warned that this was a

1960
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 9: tragedy that I was worried would happen, and it still

1961
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,400
Speaker 9: happened because we didn't step in aggressively enough to make

1962
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 9: sure that it did not happen. I'm not saying the

1963
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 9: bar owner wasn't working with us, but I'm saying that

1964
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 9: I was continually getting complaints and concerns about this corner

1965
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:26,400
Speaker 9: almost every week for the last six months, and yet

1966
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 9: we were going to act like we didn't know that

1967
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 9: this is going to happen. How many more times is

1968
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 9: that is that going to be acceptable?

1969
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:34,400
Speaker 3: When we started the.

1970
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 9: Revitalization of over the Round in downtown, if you look

1971
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 9: at that plan in two thousand and two, one of

1972
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,599
Speaker 9: the biggest things they said was zero tolerance on crime.

1973
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 9: And I'm not saying we have to get to that stage,

1974
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 9: but I am saying the quality of life matters, and

1975
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 9: it is an indicator when we start ignoring it or

1976
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,719
Speaker 9: not being aggressive enough on that to shut it down,

1977
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 9: it does lead to worse and worse actions and indications.

1978
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 9: We hope that they never get to this stage of violence,

1979
01:34:56,439 --> 01:35:00,560
Speaker 9: but as we saw this weekend, it did. Everybody is

1980
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 9: responsible for that, from the city manager to the bar

1981
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 9: owners and the people that are going in and out

1982
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 9: of these establishments. But I personally think that the city

1983
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 9: and I hold the city manager accountable on this. I'm

1984
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 9: furious right now. Need to get serious about this and

1985
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,640
Speaker 9: need to say we are not going to tolerate this

1986
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 9: any longer. We are going to get aggressive and we're

1987
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 9: going to get this under control because this cannot continue

1988
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 9: to happen, especially when we have warning signs.

1989
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 1: What has the city in particularly this is mayor aft

1990
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:28,760
Speaker 1: to have peerval ensure along the city manager? Have they

1991
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 1: addressed this shooting Saturday? Here it is Monday morning, have

1992
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 1: they addressed this, se your satisfaction and said anything.

1993
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,719
Speaker 9: Well, As I mentioned at the start of this interview,

1994
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 9: I reached out yesterday when it was right when you

1995
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 9: and I were talking about me coming on today, and

1996
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 9: I have not heard anything since then, and I think

1997
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 9: the noise is definite. And I think that's been one

1998
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 9: of the big problems this summer, isn't it is that

1999
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 9: so often we don't have any information on what's going on.

2000
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 9: We know violence happened. Why are we not getting more information?

2001
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 9: And this is the situation. I think I can surmise

2002
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:03,240
Speaker 9: it's because for six months we haven't a lot of

2003
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 9: like we had myself in particular warning about it, but

2004
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:08,719
Speaker 9: so often I mean, every single one of these incidents.

2005
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 9: It's like, just come on, give us some information about

2006
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 9: what's going on here and what we're going to do

2007
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 9: about it and how we can prevent this going forward.

2008
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 9: The silence is incredibly frustrating.

2009
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:19,679
Speaker 1: Council member Sas Walsh on the show this morning, I'll

2010
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 1: pull this back to my opening and what happened in July.

2011
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 1: We have seen now leaked surveillance footage that came out

2012
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 1: on Signal nine and on its a Facebook page or

2013
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 1: they have a website, and this is the video that

2014
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 1: Kip Guy to the assistant Hamilin County prosecutor, talked about

2015
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 1: during the arraignments, and that was that. Well, the victim

2016
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 1: in this case who was you know, the city demanded

2017
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 1: it he be charged. We know that the mayor and

2018
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 1: the city manager have their hands all over this sys

2019
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,400
Speaker 1: to why Alex Stravinsky was charged. The white guy in

2020
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 1: this case. We saw the video where he was punching,

2021
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: slapping a black man, and the story didn't start there.

2022
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 1: As it turns out, we now have video evidence, conclusive

2023
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:59,599
Speaker 1: video evidence. It shows that he was attacked from behind,

2024
01:36:59,640 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 1: punched in the back of the head by a man

2025
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:03,920
Speaker 1: who was also charged in this whole thing as well.

2026
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: Before he did what he felt he had to do

2027
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 1: was being physically attacked by this They've been sitting on

2028
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 1: the surveillance footage for a long time. It finally got

2029
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,200
Speaker 1: leaked out a few days before the election. That right now,

2030
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 1: isn't this cut from the same cloth in that if

2031
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,680
Speaker 1: it's something that doesn't fit the narrative or makes us

2032
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 1: look badly, or we'll just simply cover it up. I mean,

2033
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,840
Speaker 1: it's been three months af and no one there's nothing

2034
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 1: new in this case. What the hell's taken so long?

2035
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 1: And doesn't it fit into what we're talking about here?

2036
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,880
Speaker 1: The lack of an action and transparency on the part

2037
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 1: of the administration.

2038
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 9: Yes, I mean one percent. I don't know why that video.

2039
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 9: I mean it was turned over to the city and

2040
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:38,559
Speaker 9: the prosecutor's office, you know, pretty quickly after the brawl.

2041
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 9: I don't believe there's any delay in official individuals getting

2042
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:46,920
Speaker 9: this video. We released video quickly when there's an oscar

2043
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 9: involved shooting. This was a situation of getting national and

2044
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 9: international attention. Why did we not release it? I asked

2045
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 9: last Monday, I asked somebody if I could see the

2046
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 9: video and I didn't see it till it leased online. Yes,

2047
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 9: this some of this stuff, I think we make way

2048
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 9: harder and more complicated than it needs to be, because

2049
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 9: at this point, three months and everybody's formed their opinion

2050
01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 9: based on videos that leaps out before this, and we're

2051
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:15,200
Speaker 9: all digging in our heels on it instead of actually

2052
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:16,920
Speaker 9: having been able to just watch the video in the

2053
01:38:16,920 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 9: first place. Let's the prosecutor's office run the way it's

2054
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,720
Speaker 9: going to run. Whoever gets charged gets charged, and there

2055
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 9: it is, and we can move forward to the city.

2056
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 9: Because the reality is this brawl is a black guy

2057
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 9: in the city. It's something that we need to find

2058
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:31,040
Speaker 9: a way to move on from and move the past.

2059
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 9: Because at the start of this year, Scout, we were

2060
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 9: talking about sun Dance, an international film festival, moving to

2061
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 9: the city of Cincinnati, and we're going to end the

2062
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 9: year talking about this horrible brawl that happened back in July.

2063
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 9: Because we haven't been able to just put it to

2064
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:44,360
Speaker 9: bed and put everything out there and say here it

2065
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 9: is and let's move forward. We as a city need

2066
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 9: to get back to why Cincinnati was on the up,

2067
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:52,719
Speaker 9: why we were so excited about our future, why people

2068
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 9: were moving here. Why we want people coming into our

2069
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 9: downtown and we cannot reclaim that and remind people what's

2070
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:01,400
Speaker 9: so important about this city, and we are continually not

2071
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 9: getting information and all these rumors and speculation is just

2072
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 9: running rampant.

2073
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 1: Just does council need more power?

2074
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:08,680
Speaker 9: Uh?

2075
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:11,719
Speaker 1: What probably we have of the well power presses obviously

2076
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 1: the county, But what about the time to release of

2077
01:39:14,920 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 1: public records and sunlight laws and things like that, especially

2078
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 1: in a high profile case like this that effects of

2079
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,599
Speaker 1: public trust? Does what kind of party you have as

2080
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 1: a council person.

2081
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 9: Well, you know, the charter puts us on a really

2082
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 9: weird situation where the council can request things from the

2083
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 9: city administration if you get a majority vote. The city administration,

2084
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:37,600
Speaker 9: you know, is only really forced to do something.

2085
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 3: If it's a law.

2086
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 9: So if it's an ordinance or you know, within the

2087
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 9: municipal code, you know, even in motion, they could theoretically ignore.

2088
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 9: I mean that that was the design of our charter

2089
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:49,519
Speaker 9: back in the nineteen twenty. Yeah, I think that there's

2090
01:39:49,560 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 9: a fair question that needs to be asked. You know,

2091
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 9: a lot of people blame the mayor for things, but

2092
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:56,400
Speaker 9: he's also very limited in what his scope of powers.

2093
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,599
Speaker 9: You know, we have built a very strong administration from

2094
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 9: the city perspective, and I am all for professionals running

2095
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 9: the city. You know, they are definitely smarter than us politicians.

2096
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:08,880
Speaker 9: But at the same time, there needs to be accountability

2097
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 9: and recognition that you are you are working with the public,

2098
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 9: and the public deserves information and answers. And when things

2099
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:17,639
Speaker 9: are happening like the happen this summer, like the Happiness weekend,

2100
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 9: come out and talk about it. And it's okay to

2101
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 9: admit that sometimes we get things wrong. You know, that's

2102
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 9: not the worst thing in the world. We learn and

2103
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 9: we grow, and nobody here is perfect. But it's sure

2104
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 9: hard to have sympathy when I'm finding out the information

2105
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 9: because at least through a Facebook group. I mean, that's

2106
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 9: insane to me, isn't it.

2107
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know that information is going to

2108
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 1: come out on this day and age. You just simply

2109
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 1: can't quash it, you know that at some point, And

2110
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm surprised it took this long quite honestly, and obviously

2111
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:43,759
Speaker 1: at the time and with the election very important.

2112
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, and I am I'm disappointed by it, and

2113
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 9: I hope that those involved are learning that we need

2114
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:54,120
Speaker 9: to be proactive in our communication. This week is not

2115
01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 9: giving me a lot of confidence on that right now.

2116
01:40:56,040 --> 01:40:58,559
Speaker 9: But I mean it's not about the election either, Scott.

2117
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:00,640
Speaker 9: And again that's the way we design our system, right

2118
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 9: the administration is fisted out with any member of council

2119
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 9: or the mayor. And when actions like this are happening,

2120
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,519
Speaker 9: because you know, it seems like things are tied to

2121
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 9: the elections, like, that's not why the administration exists. Do

2122
01:41:11,240 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 9: your job come out, have these communications, get involved when

2123
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,880
Speaker 9: we have quality of life issues happening, protect the public,

2124
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 9: make these things the priorities, and make people confident that

2125
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 9: is our priority. And right now, I think we're going

2126
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 9: to price in the confidence mostly because we are not

2127
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 9: communicating about what is going on and we're not being

2128
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 9: aggressive enough when we know the problems exist. These are

2129
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 9: not these are not new problems. These problems have existed

2130
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 9: for hundreds of years and a lot of great leaders

2131
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:35,280
Speaker 9: to figure out ways to solve them. Why are we

2132
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 9: struggling so hard? And it's time for this administration to

2133
01:41:38,040 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 9: step up to the bat because I'm I'm tired of

2134
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 9: having these conversations Scott. Where we keep saying, like what happened,

2135
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 9: the city needs to step up. They knew the problem

2136
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 9: that was going on with Privy this week. I mean,

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Speaker 9: no problems happening with other bars around the city, but

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Speaker 9: that are related to quality of life. Step up, get

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Speaker 9: aggressive and work with the bar owner, the community, and

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Speaker 9: make sure that we start solving these problems now before

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Speaker 9: we have another tragedy in the city of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: That simple.

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Speaker 1: Why are you one of maybe two council members that

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Speaker 1: are speaking up. There's nine of you seeking re election.

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Speaker 1: The majority, the vast majority of council says nothing about this.

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Speaker 1: Does that encourage more of the same behavior? If you,

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Speaker 1: as a council got together and said, listen, this is

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Speaker 1: going to hurt all of us, it hurts our city

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Speaker 1: what we're working for. You guys control the purse rings.

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Speaker 1: That's how it's set up with the city charters. You

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Speaker 1: control the financing. Well, if you control that financing, that

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Speaker 1: means you have a huge say in how we police

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Speaker 1: and what our policy should be.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I can't speak for my colleagues. Well, I can

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Speaker 9: say and try to reframe your question. Here is nothing

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Speaker 9: that I am saying today have I not said behind

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Speaker 9: closed doors? And you haven't heard it because I actually

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Speaker 9: would rather do things behind the closed doors. I'd rather

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Speaker 9: we solve the problems. And I think the strategy of

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Speaker 9: any good city or elected government is for you to

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Speaker 9: never be complaining about an issue and not realize that

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Speaker 9: you're not complaining about the issue. Right, So, yeah, we

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Speaker 9: want to solve things behind closed doors as much as possible.

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Speaker 9: I've just found that, you know, when eventually we get

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Speaker 9: to a stage where something like this weekend happens, people

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Speaker 9: need to know that this was not a conversation that

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Speaker 9: just happened. This has been happening for six months, and

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Speaker 9: what happened this weekend was an inevitable outcome when the

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Speaker 9: city did not act enough on it. I don't know

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Speaker 9: why my other colleagues don't speak out to, you know,

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Speaker 9: more aggressively on some of these topics, but I think

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Speaker 9: it's probably personal choice on how they do it, and

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Speaker 9: I imagine they work behind the scenes on it. I

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Speaker 9: would like us as a city to get back to

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Speaker 9: the point that you stopped calling me Scott, and I

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Speaker 9: would like to be back to the point that you

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Speaker 9: guys don't know or care who the mayor or the

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Speaker 9: city Council is when we are just a well working

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Speaker 9: machine and we're excited about the potential of sundance. We're

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Speaker 9: not there right now. Right now, we need accountability and

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Speaker 9: we need to be holding out and being the aggressive

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Speaker 9: on it in my opinion, and that's my opinion. I'm

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Speaker 9: one of nine. That's the way the system has been

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Speaker 9: set up. You know, those listening at home, you know

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Speaker 9: there is an election tomorrow, and you know, I think

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Speaker 9: my colleagues on the City Council are doing a really

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Speaker 9: great job, even if they're not necessarily vocal. They are

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Speaker 9: doing things behind the scenes to make sure things are

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Speaker 9: moving forward. And I think it's important that you, you know,

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Speaker 9: reward and vote for those who ultimately, you know, align

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Speaker 9: with your values. And you know, in my case, if

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Speaker 9: you think speaking out's important, you know, it's important for

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Speaker 9: me that you show up to speak out and bout

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Speaker 9: box the moth. But if not, you're going to continue

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Speaker 9: to get more of the same. Yeah, That's that's what

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Speaker 9: it boils down to you. So I think it's a

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Speaker 9: personal choice by the voters and they may not luck

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Speaker 9: at them all.

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Speaker 3: Scott.

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Speaker 9: People may hate hearing me talk. So you and I

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Speaker 9: can speculate all day long, but we'll find out.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know the snowplow thing you're instrumental in

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Speaker 1: getting calling attention to that. We talk about crime now

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Speaker 1: in this and calling out the lack of transparency. I

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Speaker 1: love the accountability, Seth. I wish there were like seven

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Speaker 1: or six or seven more folks like you on council

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Speaker 1: willing to actually speak out against the mayor in the administration.

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Speaker 1: But when you don't, then you just encourage more of

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Speaker 1: that and sadly it may cost someone their seat. As

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Speaker 1: you said, I think I have to have safe for sure,

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Speaker 1: but we'll find out tomorrow. At some point this could

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Speaker 1: be worse, Seth. You could be in charge of fixing

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Speaker 1: the Bengals. So this is seemingly a much much more

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Speaker 1: a drugs. Hey, good luck tomorrow, buddy, all the best

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Speaker 1: and uh, we'll find out what happens tomorrow. Hope you

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Speaker 1: get your seatback.

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Speaker 9: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, thank you, good luck tomorrow. By the way, Seth,

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Speaker 1: what does that say about city leadership when even the

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Speaker 1: council people are in the dark of what's happening. Gun's

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Speaker 1: lane and bushes are laying the grass across from a

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Speaker 1: shooting hours later. It's just intolerable. The videos on my

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Speaker 1: social feet at Scott's Sloan. Check it out on Facebook

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Speaker 1: x Willie's on the way next to pick it up

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Speaker 1: on the Home of the Best Bengals coverage embarrassingly so

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Speaker 1: the best Bengals coverage seven hundred ww since now