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Speaker 1: We shall see it. We shall see how that goes.

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Speaker 1: We will definitely keep you posted. But how long how

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Speaker 2: Let me think in nineteen I'd like to go back

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Speaker 2: in time. But in nineteen eighty three, as you may recall,

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Speaker 2: and Gary Burbank was doing the morning show starting about

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Speaker 2: You don't they know what the hell he's going wrong?

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Speaker 2: And my view about him to not change over the

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Speaker 2: next forty some years. The guy is hilarious, funny, nuts, terrible, interesting, provocative.

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Speaker 2: He was everything that radio personality could be, with all

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Speaker 2: for those ten or fifteen years, he was the greatest

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Speaker 3: And he was number one.

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Speaker 4: Tell me if I'm wrong in this, because because I

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Speaker 4: didn't know him, I was. I listened to him for

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Speaker 4: does anybody know?

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Speaker 2: You know? When I was talking to him, he going

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Speaker 2: and go from Deuteronomy to Gilbert Narley and back. I thought, Gary,

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Speaker 4: I just be serious, And I'm sure that would make

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Doc would do Riley Gert and I'm

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Speaker 2: going There was so many voices, so many things in

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Speaker 2: I was running the station for a couple of years

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Speaker 2: he was doing. I gotta start talking to him, and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I stood up.

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Speaker 2: He came over and picked up my chair and threw

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Speaker 2: He said, I say, Gary, being Gary, don't worry about it.

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Speaker 2: most fun I had with him was playing softball. Every

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Speaker 2: or four years of baseball heaven when Muno's I played

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Speaker 2: then we went out at night. I can't relate to

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Speaker 2: a wonderful man to be Gary Burbank was wonderful, and

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Speaker 2: the guy hardly drank anything because if he drank something,

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Speaker 2: it'd be worse. Holy, Holy moly, what do we got here.

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Speaker 2: He's the most remarkable personality I ever been connected with.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, he kind of hit on it there too. Gary.

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Speaker 1: For as nice and mellow as he was, and of

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Speaker 2: No, no, I think I thought he was mad at me.

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Speaker 2: And you have you have more perspective in it than

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Speaker 1: There was no place to put me because Gary kept

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Speaker 2: That was a different person. I heard about it, and

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it happened, and I'm not sure you can

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Speaker 2: So he got together, shall we say, a simulated piece

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Speaker 2: It wasn't corporate. It was not corporate? Shall we say

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Speaker 1: Well it was back in Rocky. Anytime he hears some

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Speaker 2: In fact, Randy Michaels was the definition of the anti HR.

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Speaker 2: Can believe that. But in the late seventies and eighties,

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Speaker 1: Well, you do you think there's any possibility that the

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Speaker 2: For him.

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Speaker 2: Guess years from now, I don't know, five to ten years.

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Speaker 3: That's a fact.

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Speaker 1: Now, who who was around that time? Who did you

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Speaker 3: You were doing nice eighty three to ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: In fact, you know Mike was doing five hours and yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I'll put myself on. And Randy said, that's a

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Speaker 2: I'm a lawyer. I could be a prosecutor. I could

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Speaker 4: And it didn't.

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Speaker 2: It worked. Darryl is the one that did that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You know what I want to do? And I said,

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Speaker 2: I've been saying, and he said, he said, but I

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Speaker 2: And that's been what about you know, twenty seven years ago? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm still I'm still here.

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Speaker 2: Will do you remember?

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Speaker 4: Do you remember what you're the topics were your first

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: It was, it was more.

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Speaker 2: It was different because you know, radio has gone through

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Speaker 2: Why not listen to Rush? He's the King of Talk.

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Speaker 2: So what I wanted to do was local issues, local, local, local, local,

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Speaker 3: I never put any.

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Speaker 3: Well also that that Savings alone thing fell in your lap.

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Speaker 2: That was beautiful.

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 2: That was a man nineteen eighty four, nineteen eighty five,

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Speaker 2: But we had a disaster, Challenger disaster, and I had

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Speaker 2: that's what started that ideation of getting getting away from

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Speaker 2: fixing carb My first shows were about fixing carburetors, urology issues, mathematical.

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Speaker 2: It was stay away from controversy.

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Speaker 3: And sex toys.

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Speaker 2: Don't do current events. Sex toys don't do that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Patty Braceman, don't do any that stuff. It's not gonna work.

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Speaker 2: I said, okay, So I was pretty bad. I'd call

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Speaker 2: friends of mine and say, you got to call in, man,

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Speaker 2: I have any guests, nothing to talk about, you got

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Speaker 4: I remember doing that early days on the night show.

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Speaker 3: Hey man, you got call in. The good old day?

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Speaker 3: Boy is the good old day with the with that Willie,

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Speaker 3: we will we will talk some more?

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Speaker 2: Can I talk some more?

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Speaker 3: Two is coming next Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: We'll pick up here the history of talk radio starting

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Speaker 1: now at nineteen ninety three. Thank you, Willie yea, I,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you. Will with with that we take

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