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Speaker 1: This segment brought to us by eighty four lumber Dynasty

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Speaker 1: partner of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Paul 'sis from the PG

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Speaker 1: joining me right now and Paul. Before we get into

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Speaker 1: Steelers conversation, Tom and I were speaking in the first

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Speaker 1: hour of the show about how this year, with the

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Speaker 1: state of college football transfer portals, kids not sticking to

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Speaker 1: their commitments, how little National Signing Day means now as

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Speaker 1: opposed to what it did, say ten, fifteen, twenty years ago.

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Speaker 1: And it got me thinking, were you one of the

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Speaker 1: poor SAPs who like me, had to go out for

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Speaker 1: the Terrell Prior thing a long time ago in a

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Speaker 1: galaxy far far away.

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Speaker 2: No, because I was covering pitt at the time, so

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Speaker 2: I had to do the dog and Pony show that

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Speaker 2: that was down a pit at Heinz Field that day.

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Speaker 3: I don't miss what National Signing Do is at all.

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Speaker 1: I do not miss that day in terms of coverage

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Speaker 1: one I owe, and I'm guessing you don't either.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't say. I don't know how anybody can.

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Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, I was trying to think

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Speaker 2: of who the other guy was that I actually had

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Speaker 2: to go. Oh, I remember, so do you remember uh boy,

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Speaker 2: I forget his name, but he had a commitment party

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Speaker 2: at a restaurant down on the South Side and he

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Speaker 2: showed up in a bright pink suit and everybody thought

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Speaker 2: he was going to Pin and he committed to Miami.

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Speaker 2: It was a big ordeal. What was the name of

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Speaker 2: that restaurant, It's no longer there.

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Speaker 3: Paparazzi's I think, Oh, I remember paparazzis. I don't remember

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Speaker 3: the player though.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it came from North Hills. What was his name?

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, he was running back. I could see

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Speaker 2: his face. But he So he has this big ordeal

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Speaker 2: where he shows up at this party or whatever it was,

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Speaker 2: in a pink suit, and of course, you know, most

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Speaker 2: of the people down there are expecting him to sign

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Speaker 2: with PIT or whatever, commit the PIT, and he commits

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Speaker 2: to Miami. And it went really well for because he

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Speaker 2: finished his career like Kent or Akron or something. But

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Speaker 2: either way, yeah, I always hated signing day. I always

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Speaker 2: hated going through the you know, the the we we

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Speaker 2: all we knew pretty much who their commitments were, but

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Speaker 2: you know, we had to act like you know this

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Speaker 2: that they had just signed. You know, the greatest class ever, Oh, I.

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Speaker 1: Just I just remember the Tarrell Prior thing and then

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Speaker 1: you know he doesn't make his decision in Treill Prior

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Speaker 1: Day turned into Tarrell Prior Week and we had to

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Speaker 1: try to get sound bites through Charlie Batch speaking on

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Speaker 2: It was just it was like, didn't it go like

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Speaker 2: two weeks or something?

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Speaker 1: I thought it was at least a week, at least

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Speaker 1: a week, And I remember like, didn't ESPN have satellite

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Speaker 1: trucks and Jeanette like ready to stream the announcement live

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Speaker 1: and it just never happened. And they had of it

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Speaker 1: was Herbie or they had like some major college football

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Speaker 1: guy or two out there ready to lead Sports Center

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Speaker 1: with it, and it never happened.

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Speaker 3: I just I remember that fiasco.

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Speaker 1: I remember Anthony Morelli and his comment, I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: that this day has gotten diluted. If there's one positive

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Speaker 1: from what the way we remember it, the fact that

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Speaker 1: National Signing Day is much smaller, like by ninety five

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Speaker 3: I'm thrilled about that.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I think one of the big big things

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you that you know that everybody is going

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter. I mean, it matters, but it doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: anymore like it used to. Like you said, it used

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Speaker 2: to matter more, but now, I mean, you know, as

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Speaker 2: long as they hire a guy in the next you know,

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Speaker 2: three weeks, there's that window in January where they're gonna

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Speaker 2: So you know, that just goes to show you how

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Speaker 2: it's great that you get these freshman guys incoming freshmen. Boy,

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Speaker 2: how many of them are going to be on your

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Speaker 2: all of these guys are now trying to build their

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Speaker 2: for more than a year or two or whatever, So

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Speaker 2: it means a heck of a lot less to your point.

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Speaker 1: Well, is it gonna be great when Mike Tomlin heads

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Speaker 1: out to State College and fixes everything with Penn State?

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Speaker 1: As Ben Roethlisberger suggested, Well, you remember a couple.

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Speaker 2: Of years ago when he took exception to his name

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Speaker 1: Well, I remember, I asked the question, yes, I remember, yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: He said something about, you know, go ask Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: No, he said, there is There isn't a booster with

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Speaker 1: And I can't remember who well he cited, but oh,

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton. I think it was right. I do remember

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Speaker 1: get asked about college jobs during their NFL tenure. I

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Speaker 1: found articles, I found quotes linking Andy Reid to BYU.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton was asked while he was the Saints coach

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Speaker 3: Been Pete Carroll. Now because Pete Carroll did go back

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Speaker 1: There was another coach he mentioned that did get asked

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Speaker 1: about a college job.

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Speaker 3: So it happens. It happens to every coach.

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Speaker 1: And that's the only thing that took me back about

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Speaker 1: asked the question. But other coaches have been asked, and Ben,

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Speaker 1: I think was just kind of spitballing when he said that.

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Speaker 1: But now it's taken wing and everybody's talking about it.

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Speaker 1: It's on the front page of ESPN dot com, right right.

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Speaker 2: I mean again, I think that's what happens, though, you know,

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Speaker 2: you think about it. Ben Roethlisberger's podcast, I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: I don't know, forty five minutes or whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of stuff in it that

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Speaker 4: Things that goes viral, isn't he Yes, he is.

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Speaker 2: And that's no different than when he played. Really, if

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Speaker 2: you think about it, it's no different than when he

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Speaker 2: doing that as well.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that I'm seizing on and I'm letting

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Speaker 1: everybody else sees on when again, he kin kind of

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Speaker 1: said this is a transition to get a greater point across,

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Speaker 1: just like he did with the Penn State thing.

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Speaker 3: But when he said build him a.

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Speaker 1: Statue or whatever, like, I don't think he literally meant

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Speaker 1: he needs a statue. But the greater talking point though,

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Speaker 1: is Paul, why does it have to come down to now?

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Speaker 3: The newest to what are the Steelers going to do

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Speaker 3: with Tomlin?

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Speaker 2: Is?

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Speaker 1: Most people seem to be on board with the notion

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Speaker 1: that it's time to move on now, But it's how

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Speaker 1: do you do it? How do you do it in

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Speaker 1: a civil manner? How do you do it where Mike's

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Speaker 3: Who cares?

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Speaker 1: If he's gonna lose his job and he deserves to

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Speaker 1: lose his job in the eyes of the owner, then

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Speaker 1: the owner should just feel free to fire him.

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Speaker 3: It's his team. It doesn't have to be a neat

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the point. The point to me is it's

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Speaker 2: it's absolutely you know, I've taken the nickname teflon Tomlin

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Speaker 2: because you know, nothing is his fault at all. And

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Speaker 2: this idea that somehow his won Super Bowl seventeen years ago,

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Speaker 2: that somehow, you know, qualifies him for a contract for

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Speaker 2: for the rest of his life. That's absolutely silly to me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, guys, I mean put it this way. In

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Speaker 2: was it was pretty ugly actually, you know, and to

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Speaker 2: the point where the guy is now a college coach

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Speaker 2: and won't let New England come counts players. I mean,

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Speaker 2: what are we talking about here. That's the way it is.

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Speaker 2: That's the cutthroat business.

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Speaker 3: The thing about it.

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Speaker 1: And I got into this and Mike de coursi earlier

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Speaker 1: it's a bad year to advance the Well, who else

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Speaker 1: are you going to get argument for Tomlin? When there

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Speaker 1: are numerous first time or brand new with their team

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Speaker 1: coaches in playoff position right now? Who else you to

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Speaker 1: get I don't know, somebody who gets you back to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and maybe gets you a home game and

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Speaker 1: you win a game for a change. That's who you know,

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Speaker 1: it was who else you're gonna get with cowor it

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Speaker 1: was who else were you to get with Tomlin? And

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Speaker 1: it's two guys over forty years, so they'll get somebody else.

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Speaker 3: That's who.

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Speaker 2: I mean exactly. I mean, that's what I think is

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Speaker 2: one of the things that I'll never ever understand is

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Speaker 2: the idea that, well, you can't replace the guy. And

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Speaker 2: you know what, my answer to that to him is

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Speaker 2: always It's always the same answer in my in my

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Speaker 2: mind at least, and that is Okay. When someone says, well,

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Speaker 2: who are you going to replace him with? I say,

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Speaker 2: how about how about the next Mike Tomlins? Well, what

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Speaker 2: do you mean? Well, uh, let's just say this. When

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Speaker 2: Bill Kauer said that he was leaving or was retiring, Right,

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Speaker 2: if I gave a thousand Steeler fans a list and

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Speaker 2: said give me your top twenty candidates, which means we

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Speaker 2: had add twenty thousand names, would Mike Commin's name have

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Speaker 2: been in any of those one He wouldn't have. No

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Speaker 2: one who was No nobody knew who he was, nobody

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Speaker 2: cared who he was. And at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: you know what he turned out to do a pretty

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Speaker 2: good job. And you know, I'm not gonna sit here

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Speaker 2: and say he hasn't done a good job. But you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a difference between doing a good job and there's

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Speaker 2: you know, getting to a point where maybe it's time.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's where we probably are here with

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Speaker 2: respect to him.

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Speaker 1: I wrote a column yesterday or said that there were

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Speaker 1: sixty eight eighty six people at Akroscher Stadium that heard

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Speaker 1: the fire Tom win Chance, and then I walked it

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Speaker 1: back and I said, well, actually it's only sixty eight

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Speaker 3: Am I right about that? Or am I wrong? Do

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Speaker 3: you think he did hear?

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Speaker 1: Do you think he will pay attention or is this

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Speaker 1: normally the case.

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Speaker 1: Feels like it's time to move on, there should be

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Speaker 3: Ex at one oh five nine. The Pittsburgh Steelers run

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Speaker 1: Many times this year that statement has been proven true,

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Speaker 1: One time to talk hockey right now with Tyler Kennedy,

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Speaker 3: Tyler, great to catch up with you. How are you.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, Tyler, I want to talk about the Pens

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Speaker 4: you just made better plays. You can skate into that

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00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 4: open ice. And I think it exposes guys that don't

441
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 4: have mobility. Guy defensive players that don't have mobility. Number

442
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 4: one is I find checking goes down right, the hooking

443
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 4: and grabbing, the checking because there's more space. Guys have

444
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,479
Speaker 4: more space to elude a big check. So well, it

445
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 4: definitely changes.

446
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: One thing that I remember going back to when was

447
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,639
Speaker 1: it If it was the Vancouver Olympics, I think it was.

448
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: I kept hearing that while the surface was supposed to

449
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: be bigger, the players kept playing to what they remember

450
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: from the NHL anyway, Like maybe it wasn't Vancouver that

451
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: his last time, it was overseas that the players out

452
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: of habit and out of being conservative because every goal

453
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: was so big, they sort of shrunk the ice on

454
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: their own anyway. Is that often a dynamic that happens

455
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: in the Olympics too, because of what is at stake there?

456
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the coaching staff they keep the systems

457
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 4: pretty similar, right. They don't want to change it up

458
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 4: too much. They don't want to be thrown too much

459
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 4: at those guys, so they're overthinking when they're thinking about

460
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 4: the player they have to make or the system they're running.

461
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 4: I don't think it does mean that big of a difference,

462
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 4: to be honest, like it really it really doesn't change

463
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 4: that much from what I remember.

464
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: Tyler, as far as what the Penguins are doing right now.

465
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: I was really intrigued watching that Philadelphia game I saw

466
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: you guys at intermission, and I really enjoyed watching that

467
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 1: as I enjoyed watching the first one. I'm not gonna

468
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 1: say that Flyers Penguins is back, but I am going

469
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: to say it feels familiar and right now for me,

470
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: that's enough. I've really liked the first two editions of

471
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: that rivalry this year.

472
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 4: How about you, yeah, I want I love how Philadelphia

473
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 4: is playing, right, They're kind of laying an egg when

474
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 4: we play them, especially last time they played. I didn't

475
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 4: think Philadelphia looked good at all. I thought they looked slow,

476
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 4: they didn't have a physicality to their game. But you

477
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,639
Speaker 4: can see some of the some of those other guys,

478
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 4: you know, maybe not so much the tough guys on

479
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 4: the team, but some of the other little kind of

480
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 4: rattier guys that connect me, some of those hat away.

481
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 4: They're starting to stir it up after the whistle, started

482
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 4: to do some stuff, and it's so nice to see

483
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 4: a little bit of that hatred, a little bit of

484
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 4: that despise the other guy across the way.

485
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: So did I love watching it last game? I did.

486
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 4: I love the way the Penguins played, I love how

487
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 4: flat the Philly came out and just seeing some of

488
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 4: that other stuff made it very interesting, and I think

489
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 4: a big one that I think calmed a lot of

490
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 4: people down. And I'm surprised just happened when they called

491
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 4: Bonco up. I thought Delaurier and I'm surprised he was

492
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 4: not in the lineup because when Delorier is out of

493
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: the lineup for Philadelphia, it's a completely different game because

494
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,120
Speaker 4: I think when the Penguins get up three to one

495
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 4: and they throw Delaurier out there, I think he's fighting

496
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 4: someone and it's probably going to be Bonco and that

497
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 4: changes the dynamic of the Philadelphia So that's very surprising

498
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 4: that they didn't play him. And when you have a

499
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 4: guy that gets called up that is an enforcer, he's

500
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 4: like the sheriff folk there. He keeps everyone else under

501
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 4: control because he's a head hauncho.

502
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: Right.

503
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 4: Not too many guys were running around and taking liberties

504
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: at our stars. Everyone seemed like it was a very

505
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 4: well contain game through the policing of you know, Bonco

506
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 4: and some other guys on the Penguins.

507
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to score late in the

508
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: game there. He had a really good look and missed.

509
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: That was a gorgeous chance from the score. But you

510
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: use the word that ConnectNY used and that was flat.

511
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: And I can't believe Philadelphia is that they came out

512
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: flat for that one, particularly how the last game ended.

513
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: That was a little disappointing to hear from their point

514
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: of view. But the Penguins certainly did take advantage of it,

515
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: that's for sure.

516
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, from being a former player, and yes, they came

517
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 4: out flat, right, I thought they were gonna come out

518
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 4: and it was gonna be a different game. But it

519
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 4: really does depend if Delorea is in the lineup. Philadelphia

520
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 4: grows a foot when he's in the lineup because he's

521
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 4: the well known tough guy in the league, the guy

522
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 4: that'll take on anyone. And I think when we we

523
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 4: we we put our tough guy, We called our tough

524
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 4: guy up to play, and they took theirs out. I

525
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 4: think it affected the Philadelphia line up, their emotion, their

526
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 4: willingness to battle, their willingness to maybe turn it into

527
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 4: more of a scrummy game, more of a if we're

528
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 4: not going to be on the scoreboard, we're gonna you know,

529
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 4: we're gonna make it ugly out here. I think it changes,

530
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 4: and I think I think the reason why they were

531
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 4: flat because that reason and that reason only, and it's

532
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 4: because Bulk goes in the lineup and they didn't. They

533
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 4: didn't dress their tough guy.

534
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: Delaureer teller Kennedy with us, as you remember what was

535
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: Sid like on game nights in Philly? What was his

536
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: personality like? Did it change? Was it tangible? Did he

537
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: say anything or what? Did it just kind of manifest

538
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: because he said, what do you remember?

539
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 4: Well? When I was playing with Sid, it was like

540
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 4: the heydays of when they could not stand Sidney Crosby.

541
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 4: We would come out to warm ups and you couldn't

542
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 4: see through the glass because there were so many signs

543
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 4: about Sidney Crosby about all like everything you can imagine.

544
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 4: And Sid's demeanor was a quiet demeanor, but you can

545
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: tell he wanted to play and he wanted the show

546
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: it up them. You know, he did not like the

547
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 4: way they treated him, the way you know everything that

548
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 4: went on, especially how even how the players played against them.

549
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: But I think Sid it fires sit up in a

550
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 4: quiet demeanor where he was excited to quiet that crowd

551
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 4: in Philadelphia, and they still are getting him going. They

552
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: still don't understand that the more they hate him, the

553
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 4: more they don't want him to do well, the better

554
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 4: he does. And you see last game, like he's got eight.

555
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: He now has eighteen goals on the year and it

556
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,479
Speaker 4: is remarkable and what a way to keep going, scoring

557
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 4: two against Philly.

558
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: On the football side, Tyler, I often hear x Steelers

559
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: say that the nasty, dirty rivalry between the Steelers and Ravens,

560
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: for as intense as it was for the fans, it

561
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: wasn't intense for the players playing wise, but the dirty

562
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: stuff was the Bengals. Was there any element of that

563
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: for you guys and the Flyers too, or was it

564
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: as intense and dirty on both sides with Philadelphia because

565
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: I know, you know, you had the Islanders where things

566
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: really got dirty a couple of times, you had hatred

567
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: with the Caps. But was it always encapsulated with the Flyers?

568
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 3: First, Yeah, I.

569
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 4: Think we've always had that competition with them. And when

570
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 4: you think of our rivalry in my heyday, when I

571
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 4: looked at the Philadelphia Flyers, their top six line, their

572
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 4: top six right were good players, the Jeff Carter's, the

573
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 4: you know, the Mike Richards, And then you talk about

574
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: some of the guys, the other guys. They had the

575
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 4: heart and alls who loved to stir it up. And

576
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: then you talk about their bottom six, they had Dan Carcillo,

577
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 4: they had ash Them, they.

578
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 3: Had Upstraw, you're about.

579
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: Riley Coat, Upshall, h Riley Cote like. They had an

580
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 4: extremely tough team. And that was a team that you

581
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 4: didn't sleep well the night before because you know, it

582
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: can go both ways, and Philadelphia was not shy to

583
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: mix it up a lot. And on the flip side,

584
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 4: I always felt comfortable because of Ray Schiro. Ray Shiro

585
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 4: always made sure we had the guys to line up

586
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 4: against Philadelphia. We had the Eric Odds, we had the

587
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 4: George la Rox, we had the Craig Adams, we had

588
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 4: the Max Talbot's, the tks you know we had. We

589
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 4: had the same toughness when we played them. And when

590
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 4: you have that, it turned to a real competitive game.

591
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 4: And sometimes when the game is going south for one team,

592
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 4: usually the Philadelphia Flyers would muck it up or the

593
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Penguins, and that's either by a big hit for

594
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 4: Matt Cook or heart no being heartne And that's what

595
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 4: made those games so intense, so fun to play in

596
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 4: but again, when you're getting on that plane flying to Philadelphia,

597
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: believe me, you are thinking about that game the next

598
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: day and not dinner.

599
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: When you guys lost to them four to two in

600
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: that opening round series in twenty twelve, you know, everybody

601
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: remembers that series for as much of a Gong show

602
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: as it was. Was there any time in the locker

603
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: room during that series, or anytime on the ice, even

604
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: between the two teams were at any point wasn't said,

605
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: let's just play hockey.

606
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: This is insane, let's just play hockey.

607
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: Did that ever manifest in a conversation?

608
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is a great story. So like it

609
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 4: was getting out of control, and that was when Katore

610
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 4: was like kind of the young guy, but he was

611
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 4: he was all over Sid and he was just being

612
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 4: that shutdown like guy that you just hated to play against,

613
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 4: you know. And I was obviously kind of my role

614
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 4: was all right, we got to do something here, you know.

615
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 4: And I was taking a shower in Philadelphia, and I

616
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 4: had all my plans were to try to fight Sean KATORI.

617
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: I was gonna go.

618
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: I was gonna as soon as a scrum happened, I

619
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 4: was gonna drop my gloves and just start throwing. And

620
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 4: I'm taking a shower. I'm thinking about what I'm gonna do,

621
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: and Dan Bofman comes in the shower. He goes, hey,

622
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 4: we're gonna try to play hockey tonight. I don't want

623
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 4: you to do anything. And I was like what. He goes, No, no,

624
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 4: we need we need to beat them. We don't need

625
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 4: to like fight them or whatever. And in my mind,

626
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, that's feeding Like Dan, that's feeding into

627
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 4: what they want. And I wanted to be like, no,

628
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 4: if you guys want to do that, like this is

629
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 4: when I can step in and like help the team,

630
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 4: and like that would probably make me look good, right

631
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: if there's a scrum when I grabbed their top defensive

632
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 4: player and try to beat the wheels off them. But

633
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 4: I was so shocked that Dan said do not fight anyone.

634
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 3: Was that when you lost game six?

635
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 4: That was when we lost in game six, and I

636
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 4: was I could not even after the game. I was

637
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 4: like I was, I was like, I should not have

638
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 4: listened to Dan. I should have just because he was

639
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 4: playing that rat role and he was playing so good

640
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: defensively and he was like he was getting in some

641
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 4: of our top guys like heads a little bit, you know,

642
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 4: and I thought one of us could have probably changed

643
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 4: the outlook of that because he was doing, honestly a

644
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 4: pretty good job at keeping Sid and Gino and those

645
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 4: guys under control. So that was a very very interesting

646
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 4: conversation in that shower while you're you know, while you're

647
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 4: thinking about the game.

648
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: You know.

649
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: I usually had a shower, tried to warm up, a

650
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 4: little stretching, little meditation, and the next thing I look

651
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 4: behind me is Dan and he wants to talk about

652
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 4: the game, you know.

653
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was.

654
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 4: It was a very very interesting because again they were

655
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 4: getting the best of us, and he was keeping the

656
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 4: reins on us to calm down instead of getting Hey,

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Speaker 4: let's try to figure out if we can rough them

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Speaker 4: up a bit and try to win on other terms.

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Speaker 1: TK thirty seconds here and then I got to fly,

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Speaker 1: but real quick out of the Penguins survive this stretch

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Speaker 1: against the Lightning Stars and Ducks, how well tested will

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Speaker 1: they be against those three teams?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think at won it's got to come down

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Speaker 4: to their defensive play, starting with their goalie, right, I

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Speaker 4: think I'd be keeping Jari in the whole time. He's

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Speaker 4: playing really well. He's got a calmness about him, he's

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Speaker 4: got that confidence, and I think the team feels real

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Speaker 4: comfortable right now with him in the net. That's one

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Speaker 4: big one. I think keeping their power play hot is

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Speaker 4: another one. The power play and the penalty kill. There's

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Speaker 4: so much momentum and so much momentum throughout a game.

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Speaker 4: When you can score, or when you can keep that

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Speaker 4: momentum for longer than the other team, you use win.

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Speaker 4: So some of those things, I think if they can

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Speaker 4: control that and stay out of the box, I think

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Speaker 4: they have really good chances because they are playing well

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Speaker 4: right now. I know Philly didn't play well, but the

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Speaker 4: Penguins look like they're on their toes. Even their third

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Speaker 4: line of the young guys, look fast, look like they're

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Speaker 4: making play. So they're coming into two tough games with

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Speaker 4: a ton of confidence. And how you keep that is

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Speaker 4: making sure you stay out of the box and you

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Speaker 4: get on that power play.

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Speaker 3: TK thanks a bunch, appreciate it. We'll catch up again soon.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, man, thanks for having me.

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