1 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Welcome back. Glad you're here with us. I'm with Mark Wessell. 2 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: There you wake up, Mark, chief horticulturist at Gardens Alive. 3 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: That would be the catalogs spring Hill, Brex Kurnees, Ca, 4 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: van Burgundane Garden Supply and also Issley Nursery. And he's 5 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: also a birthday boy I forgot. Yeah. Yeah, thanks for 6 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: getting up at you know, five am on your birthday. 7 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, four forty two. I slept in a little bit. 8 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you did get here a little later than usual, 9 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: maybe a little nervous. 10 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: But it's quite a day. 11 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a bunch packed in Jordan. 12 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: This, which course, is the highlight of my day. 13 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. You're giving a talk to the Dahia Society. 14 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: Yeah that at two pm. I'm You're dedicated professional buddy, 15 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: right right, yeah, zoom presentation to the Knoxville Dallia Society. 16 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: That's all one Knoxville listeners. You're in the Daalia Society. 17 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: Tune in, man, right, tune in. And you just had 18 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: a three day whirlwind trip to South Carolina. So what 19 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: is that eight seven, eight ten hour? 20 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 2: If everything works perfect, it would be around seven and. 21 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: A seven hours. But I forty is washed out and 22 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: so it complicates. 23 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it ends up your route changes. You 24 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: just have to keep watching your route because if something 25 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: happens on forty where the hurricane damage from a few 26 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: years ago, Yeah, it. 27 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: Just it's you don't want the lane in each direction. 28 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: Because you would be stuck for hours. 29 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what if you haven't driven that, 30 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: that is a sight to see where the whole mountain 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: side washed out and half the freeway went with it. 32 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: And they're trying to rebuild this, this freeway on the 33 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: side of a mountain and I don't know how that. 34 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 2: It's amazing. It is you want to really look at it, 35 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: but you're dry. 36 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's real narrow there. 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: It's amazing. What engineering and this is my dam but 38 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: it might be. It's a major project. 39 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: I don't you know. How do you build a side 40 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: of a mountain back up that isn't going to wash 41 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: out again? Yeah? 42 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: But the good point was, you know, it took me 43 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 2: this round about different way, but you know, you go 44 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: through smaller roads. 45 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: I did the same thing and it was a real treat. 46 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: Actually it added some time, but it was beautiful, right, 47 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: And that's such a pretty part. 48 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 2: Of the country it is, it is. This is around Asheville, ye, 49 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: and I just want to stop a lot and yeah, 50 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: people have their little vegetable gardens out there. 51 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: Then pole grab a cucuver. 52 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. 53 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: So tell me about your trip. I didn't get a 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: chance to talk to you about it, so I don't 55 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: know what the ask, but I do know you went 56 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: and met with a preach, a peach breeder peach. The 57 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: main goal. 58 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: I had several visits down there, but the main goal 59 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: was to visit with the. 60 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: Peach breeding program ativerse. 61 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: Clemson University, which is let's say, let's south west of 62 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: Charlotte by maybe a few hours, okay, or do kind 63 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: of southeast of Ashville by or west of Ashville? 64 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. 65 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: So so I went to their research station which is 66 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: kind of on this peninsula in this big finger ye lake. 67 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: Oh okay. So it's got that moderated it does climate a. 68 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 2: Little bit, it does, but they still have to deal 69 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: with frost. So at first, you know, the director of 70 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: the station took me around and you know, with a 71 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: few people, and just to see what all's going down there, 72 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: which is always fun to see though you know, the 73 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 2: inner workings of what all they're working on these universities. 74 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: They just do a lot of great work that impacts 75 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: the industry in there growing state. Yes, so it's vital 76 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: that they, you know, do this research. 77 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: Further the agricultural sector. Yeah. 78 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: And I've never visited with this breeder, so I just wanted. 79 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: To doctor Gassick, Doctor Gassick at ye Clemson, at. 80 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: Clemson, great lady, real straight shooter. It was just such 81 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: an education for me, and she was happy to talk 82 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: to me. 83 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 1: Of course, you guys sell a lot of peaches. 84 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: Peach tree, peach trees, Yeah, trees, well a lot. Paches 85 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: are a big category and they're a great tree for 86 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: the home home gardener. 87 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. But yeah, so what did you learn about like 88 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: great new varieties coming or well. 89 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: You know, there's there was some very interesting things there. 90 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: I can't talk about real specifics, but there's just I'll 91 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: just tell you what she's you know, she's breeding for 92 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: resistance to. 93 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: Diseases, Yeah, which is so important. Yes. Yeah. 94 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: Actually, the further south you go, it seems like the 95 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: pressure is heavier and arlier. 96 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: So and we're talking about leaf funguses and fruit funguses. 97 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: Well, they they affect the whole tree. So it's bacterial 98 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: spot and brown rot, which is a huge issue. You know, 99 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: you have this peach tree loaded and you're just as 100 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 2: until they're right and near already they turned brown and 101 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: fuzzy and yeah, they just start rotten and quickly turn fuzzy. 102 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: So super disappointed. 103 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: So, which that would be just an excellent trait if 104 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 2: you could get a peach that doesn't get it or 105 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: would require reduced sprays. And then it was just an education. 106 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: She was shown me little traits and trees of what 107 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: happens when these peaches get frosted near frozen, but they're 108 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 2: still semi viable, but it impacts the fruit. You get 109 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 2: these little immature fruits. I've seen them before and I 110 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: didn't know what they were. They're called button pee. So 111 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: the freeze kills the seed, the embryo, but the fruit 112 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: stays alive. But you need that seed in there to 113 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 2: give to make it feel like it needs to like yeah, yeah, yeah. 114 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: So are those peaches good to eat? No? 115 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 2: No, they never amount to anything. And the problem is, 116 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: you know, you need to thin your fruit, which is 117 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: really key. 118 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: I mean, first easy to do, labor intensive. 119 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 2: Incredibly labor intensive, even if you just have one peach 120 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: if it's over cropped. And you've seen those trees and 121 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: breaking and breaking, and that's a lot of peaches, and 122 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: you know you want them about every six inches, let's say. 123 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: But the thing with this problem with those peaches, you 124 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: don't know what's going to be a button and what's 125 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 2: not at thinning time. So she showed me branches where 126 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: all that was left were the button peaches. Not many, 127 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 2: but wow. So it's just one of those interesting little 128 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: things to know about. 129 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: What else did you see her? What was interesting? You know? 130 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: For me? 131 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: Well, there was. 132 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: Some there was an interesting nectarine that had It was purple, 133 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: the skin was purple, and it was the most intense 134 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: like lemonade y mango flavored. It was very unusually flavored. 135 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: You know what I've always liked are the plumb cuts 136 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: or the what's the other one? Terrible names and somebody 137 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: could come up with some but plum apricot or what 138 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: was the other one? 139 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: Plum apricots, plum cherries. You know, there's they're they're crossing 140 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: all the stone fruits together, peaches, nectarines, cherries. 141 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: Some of those plums plum cuts are so good, but 142 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: you don't see them that much. 143 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: You know, well, they we don't grow them much in 144 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: the east. They're better on the west, the western side, 145 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: but there are some that grow here. She had some 146 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: and they're just they're insanely sweet. 147 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so good. 148 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: I actually did go to a tasting out west, and 149 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: they're fruit out there. 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You don't want to say what 202 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: age do you? 203 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: I'm over over, I'm younger than you. 204 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you're an. 205 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 2: Old I'm sixty one today. 206 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: Sixty one that I almost remember that. 207 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: I feel so immature for my age. I don't feel 208 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: sixty same here. 209 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm twelve. Yeah, and act like it, 210 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: I know, which I kind of like. 211 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: You know. 212 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: It's one of the things I like about myself is 213 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: that I still feel young. I think gardening does that 214 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: to me. Anyway, welcome back. We both went to the 215 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: Cultivate Show. And by the way, give us a coffee 216 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: you want to any questions you've got, we will try 217 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: to answer. Eight hundred eighty two three eighty fifty five. 218 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: But we went to one of the bigger trade shows 219 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: this past week. It's called the Cultivate Show. It's for professionals, 220 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: green industry professionals. It covers a full gamut from everything 221 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: from annual growers to a few of the tree nurseries, 222 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: but mostly it's about annuals and perennials. All the big 223 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: breed breeding and marketing companies go there, the chemical companies, 224 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: the suppliers of containers and pots and tools. 225 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: And all kinds of garbage custies. 226 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: So what were you struck by when you were there 227 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: this past week? 228 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: Well, of course, Scott. I'll get it right out there. 229 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 2: What everybody is talking about. The Terra nova hookaras the 230 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: coral bells they made was very eye catching. A new trait. 231 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called the fire Wing F y R E 232 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: Wing series and it's believe it or not. And this 233 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: was kept secret literally until Monday this week. Uh. It's 234 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: a cut leaf form of fucra and they really looked cool. 235 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: They do look cool. 236 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like my rule of thumb with Hugh 237 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: Cri this area with heavy clay humid weather is I 238 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: if it's got velosa blood in it, which is a 239 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: native species, Uh, it's going to do fine. But if 240 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't, it's really questionable. And I don't know if 241 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,599 Speaker 1: this if this fire Wing series has any velosa in 242 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: it or not, or how well it will do in 243 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: this area. 244 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 2: Even if it doesn't. You know, if you provide good 245 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: drain each week, Yeah, that goes a. 246 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: Really low way. People. You think of them as sort 247 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: of shade loving plants and and sort of assume. I 248 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: think a lot of times that oh they like moisture, 249 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: and but no, they really We have some stray velosa 250 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: at the zoo growing out of a rock retaining wall 251 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: that is mortared. There's there's no soil. I don't know 252 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: what how they they blew in on seed by seed 253 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: and they're growing out of mortar and I don't know how. 254 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: Well, when you see various species, not all of them, 255 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: they're often growing out of rock walls. 256 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this looked really cool. Everybody was talking about 257 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: it the whole series. Colors probably I think I saw 258 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: at least six or eight maybe, but uh, yeah, yeah, 259 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: And I don't know how they kept a secret. No 260 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: one knew about it until amazing. 261 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it just goes show you Terra Nova's the 262 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 2: probably the most well known hookreup breeder. 263 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, for a long long time. 264 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 2: And this trait just popped up, you know, somewhere in 265 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: the genetic code and eventually, I it just popped out, 266 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 2: and then they just ran with. 267 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: It, ran with it, and from there came up with 268 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: different who knows what they had to do. They maybe 269 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: had to make it smaller or bigger, they had to. Uh, 270 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: they worked with it to give it all these different 271 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: colors and still keep that trade. But they the series 272 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: looked very uniforms. 273 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: I'm sure they put a lot of many years. 274 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that just goes to show when you buy that, 275 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, fifteen dollars perennial or twenty dollars perennial. Nowadays 276 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: it seems like that, you know, you're you might be griping, oh, 277 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: you know, wow, twenty dollars for a plant. And yet 278 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: years and years of labor and hopes and dreams and 279 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: dreams dashed, and and just the amount of science that 280 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: goes into it, and then the growing it out and 281 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: building it up in numbers that you can sell, you know, 282 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: get to retailers. Is a process, and it's it's an 283 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: arduous one. 284 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: And I don't mean to be you know, throw any 285 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: wet blankets over there, but it still could crash. I mean, yeah, 286 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: years down the road that we'll find they may find 287 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: a problem. 288 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: And remember that the choreopsis back maybe ten twenty years 289 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: that that came out, that was it would hit with 290 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: a big splash, just like this. I forget the name 291 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: right now, but everybody sold it. You know, it was 292 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: a huge, big deal and every because it looked beautiful, 293 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: it was great, it's popular, it was popular, it sold well, 294 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: and it didn't survive winners. 295 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, that was kind of the case for 296 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: a whole group of those choreopsies. Yeah, they just were 297 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: not They're more like an annual. 298 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you might still be able to 299 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: get it in for that, like in a container or 300 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: something that you wanted. Man, that name is right on 301 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: the tip of my tongue too. But anyway, what what 302 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: else did you see up there that you liked? 303 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 3: Hmm? 304 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: Oh that sun bechia or from blooming Easy Boy, like 305 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 2: a it's not really a pomp palm. There were really 306 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 2: no ray petals, were there. There was strange yeah, a 307 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 2: pin cushion kind of. 308 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: I saw a different one and did have the ray 309 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: petals and it was stunning. Yeah, but I didn't see 310 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: this one, so there's like almost no petals to it. 311 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: It's more like the brown cone. 312 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was yellow and orange. 313 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: You know. 314 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: I should have looked into this more. But yeah, it 315 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: was a striking plant. It was one of the black 316 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 2: eyed Susans. Yeah, well, like the gloriosa daisy type. 317 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's actually is this was it sun beck 318 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: or red beca? 319 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: I think it was, oh, okay, okay, because. 320 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: The sun beckys are crosses between healing at this or 321 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: sun sunflowers and red Becchia's and that's what I was seeing. 322 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: Rubia and Echinesia. 323 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: Oh oh, it's no I. 324 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 2: Thought it was a sunflower son No. 325 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, Asia. 326 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 2: Or Equabecia, that's what I'm There's too. 327 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: Many, Yeah, there's too many weird crosses that probably shouldn't happen, 328 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 1: those weird things. Of course, it's a cultivate is always 329 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: a good place to see people. I saw David Hoffman, 330 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: who will be later on on the show. H He 331 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: and his father John always so fun to talk to. 332 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: And Steve k great people. Yeah. I saw Alan Armitage. 333 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: Got to get him back on the show. And then 334 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: all the big players like proven winners Ball Seed Ball Floor, 335 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: Pan am Seed, Doom and Syngenta Brokers you know Ehr 336 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 1: Jordan was on the show few months ago. Uh. So 337 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: it's really good to make those connections. It used to 338 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: be these shows primarily were where you placed your orders. Uh. 339 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 1: You know, buyers would come to the show, place their 340 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: orders with the big producers and be set for the 341 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: year or for the next year. Nowadays, with that all 342 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: being online and everything, you know, for a while, the 343 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: trade shows are are like really losing steam. Because of that, 344 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: people were like Why do I need to go to 345 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: a trade show when I could just place my order online? 346 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: But you know, we're learning that the connections are so important, 347 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: learning what's new, seeing things. 348 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and part I was only there one day. Normally 349 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: I go the following day as well. But meetings your 350 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 2: meet you also schedule meetings. You're not making orders, but 351 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 2: you're looking, like to see what's in the pipeline or 352 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: discussing problems. So it was just like your one meeting 353 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 2: on one side, and then fifteen minutes later, you know, 354 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 2: you're just back and forth. 355 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: But one of the cool coolest things about Cultivate is 356 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: the uh what they call it the new introductions. Yeah, yeah, 357 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: so all the a lot of the new plants are 358 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: on display there so you can see what they look 359 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: like and what they're going to be and uh, you know, 360 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: of course you can't really tell how they're going to grow, 361 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: but you can tell how they're going to look like, 362 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: what they're going to look like. And there's some great 363 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: ones charged at Coliuses. That series looked really cool. Uh, 364 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: Sweet cair Line, Bewitched After Midnight, Did you see that one? 365 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: There's a new sweet Potato? 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Blackjack 391 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 4: protecting driveways for over one hundred years. 392 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,919 Speaker 1: And welcome back. Mark just dropped something. I was tangled 393 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: in the court here entangled in the court. Yep, I 394 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: am here with Mark Wessel and we are enjoying ourselves. 395 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 1: I hope you are too. You can call us if 396 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: joined in the fun, if you want to. Eight hundred 397 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 1: eight two three eighty two fifty five. Sarah gut your 398 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: beam just texted said she's listening to so Dave. We 399 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: know we have Dave and Sarah listening. And of course 400 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: Sarah is my co host on the show usually like 401 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: when you're not and she'll be here next week. And 402 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: we've got a cool subject we're gonna do. We're gonna 403 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: do our top favorite trees, shrubs, perennials, and annuals for 404 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: both beauty and ecological function, so to be a good 405 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: at both. What our top fives of those. 406 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: Are so interesting. I enjoy listening to the two of you. 407 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's always fun. And she has a great laugh. 408 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: She laughs at my jokes. You should laugh at my 409 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: jokes more, Mark, Oh, I would like you better if 410 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: you did that. Well, if they were funnier, more often 411 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: than you would fall flat. I laugh. Yeah, you kind 412 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: of snicker. I always get the impression there you go, 413 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: that you're laughing at me, not with me. 414 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: Well, but I'm used to that depends on the situation. 415 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, I've been following this news story and I 416 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: usually don't like to jump into controversy, and I especially 417 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: when I don't know the entire story. But been looking 418 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 1: into this for a little while. And dolls are breed 419 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: and in Newark, Ohio, which is up near Columbus, three 420 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: hours from US, I guess is moving forward with plants 421 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: to remove a twenty year old plot of roughly eight 422 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: hundred wild Central Asian apple species or trees. And they're 423 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: doing this because the study which was initiated twenty years 424 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: ago and collected what do you call it, parent plants 425 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: from Kyrgyzan and Kazakhstan which carry the original genetics of apples, 426 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: which could be very useful for research for breeding, lots 427 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: of reasons. They have this genetics material around. But anyway, 428 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: the dolls is apparently concerned that this site, the plot 429 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: has been neglected. It's gotten weedy, it's filled with some 430 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: wild invasive species like poison, hemlock, wild parsnip, and honey sol. 431 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 2: Now that's what isn't you know? 432 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: That's my point. One of my points is like, Okay, 433 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: you could eradicate those from there, and maybe you should 434 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: or at least control it. But it's not like those 435 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: things aren't surrounding the ar breeder already anyway, so they're 436 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: not like blowing in because of that one one thing. 437 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: So you know, I'm wondering if that's overstated. You know, 438 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: I wonder if there's something going on because I don't 439 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: I can't imagine our dolls, our redom is lacking for space. Yeah, 440 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: they have a lot of room up there. 441 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, I'm part of I'm kind of 442 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 2: on the periphery of the story because I'm the president 443 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 2: of the Midwest Apple Foundation and which kind of the 444 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 2: main person and is that is the person who collected 445 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: those Oh okay, these big trips and you know there 446 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: was a certain amount of neglect. I mean, it wasn't 447 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 2: this front burner kind of thing. But I just assume 448 00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 2: they want the space. 449 00:25:59,040 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. 450 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 2: I don't or media coming up, and I don't think i'll. 451 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: Find out more in the juice. Give me the report, because. 452 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 2: I've been just trying to avoid this topic with you. 453 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that, I'm sorry for dumping it on 454 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: your lap, but yeah, it just seems like they're playing hardball. 455 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: And I don't know why they gave, uh, they relented 456 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: and gave the researcher till March to collect cyon wood. 457 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 2: Oh, originally it was like you need to get sign wood. 458 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 2: The timing wasn't right right right away, and and but. 459 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: That just doesn't seem right at all. And I know 460 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: there are like as an arboretum there on the border 461 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: of two things. They're they're in the world where they're 462 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: they're they're trying to educate people on invasive species and 463 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: things like that. And on the other hand, though, they 464 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 1: should be a place storing genetic important genetic plants and materials. 465 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: So I just don't understand why they're playing such hardball, 466 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 1: why they aren't getting any blindsided. Apparently the researcher. 467 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 2: There we was, there was plans to improve the planting 468 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 2: and move on with some other Yeah, we got funding 469 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 2: for some other projects. 470 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't understand this, so if you can 471 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: report back. And I have friends at Dolls Arena. I 472 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: love Dolls Arena, but it seems like they're just being. 473 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 2: Probably some new new person came in and you know 474 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: they get their ideas. 475 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: Yeah who knows. I don't make their mark. I don't either, 476 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: but yeah, as a feel good thing, they said, oh, 477 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: all the trees will go to be browsed for zoo 478 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: animals in local zoos. And I'm like, that's in March 479 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: o winter. There's not even any leaves on the trees. 480 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 2: Well, they're they're going to bud They're going to collect 481 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 2: bud would in August and start butting these onto rootstock. 482 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: So that's where you just take this. 483 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: Well that's for the grafting and the propagation. But the 484 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: bulldozed trees are going to go to zoos in the 485 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: middle of winter. Yeah, yeah, and you know that. That's like, oh, 486 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: we're doing this nice thing, but it's it's ridiculous. 487 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 4: Right. 488 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: They show zoo in the world can take eight hundred 489 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: you know, eight hundred trees of apple wood and do 490 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: anything with it. 491 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: Maybe they should send them to a barbecue place for 492 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 2: apples smoking. 493 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would be a better use in my opinion. Again, 494 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: I don't I hope. I'm not jumping in with a 495 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: bunch of belligerent talk. But it's an important it is 496 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: an important collection of what it could. Yeah, and now 497 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: the researcher's got to figure out where to go with 498 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: eight hundred trees and what kind of success rate we 499 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: will they have with grafting and propagated. 500 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: Ends on who's doing the many factors. Yeah, I mean it, 501 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 2: budding can be very successful. 502 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, I'm just concerned about this, and it's just 503 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: it feels like Dolls isn't playing playing fair. Yeah. 504 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, with your listenership and the way you have 505 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 2: because of this show, I could think a grassroots movement 506 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: will start. 507 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: I do too. I do too. And I think somebody 508 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,239 Speaker 1: up at Dolls Arboretum is quicking in their boots right 509 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: now and they should be. That's right, Yeah, right is right. 510 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: And one Mike is might my radio show has might. Yeah. 511 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: Another thing came out the this is when did this 512 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: come out? Earlier this year, but the American Horticulture Society 513 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: announced their book awards for the year. So and I 514 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: looked through. You go to the website and they have 515 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: since ninety seven all the book awards listed since you know, 516 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: like ninety seven or something. So there's a lot of 517 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: great books you can go back and seek out from 518 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: the past. But this year's winners are Pansies by Brenda 519 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: Estrada on Timber Press and Wow, Pansy Pansy's. I was 520 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: surprised by that too. The quote here from Carol Michael 521 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: was several ward well. Several award committee members expressed surprise 522 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: and delight by the ways in which this book elevates 523 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: ornamental plant often considered common and unassuming. So it must 524 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: be I mean to rise. You know that is true. 525 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: It's not a subject that's gonna super excite a lot 526 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,239 Speaker 1: of people, and to become an award winner on that 527 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: subject must be really good for her. Yeah, I agree, Yeah, 528 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: Branda Estrada. 529 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 2: Should have her on the show. Yeah, we did talk 530 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 2: Viola's and Pansies that one. 531 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm intrigued by them. I really like them. 532 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 533 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. The other winner was Hidden World the Survival Systems 534 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: of Plants by Kevin Tarner and Rachel Hughes at the 535 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: University of Georgia Press. And this was an academic publication 536 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: on plant defenses and human interaction, and somehow, you know, 537 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: as an academic publication, it still impressed the award committee 538 00:30:54,320 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: enough to recommend it to the general gardening reader public too. 539 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: Must be really really good. 540 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, because some of that academic stuff filled but dry dry. 541 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, so good for them. A couple honorable mentions designing 542 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: the Lush Dry Garden from Ruth or from the Ruth 543 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: Bancroft Garden. 544 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 2: I've never been to that garden. 545 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: I haven't either. 546 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 2: Where is it It's near La I. 547 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: Think oh, out West, Okay. Anyway. The book is by Cricket, Riley, 548 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: Alice Kitta, Johnny Kitta, Gema and Kere Holmes, with photography 549 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: by Caitlin Atkinson. The Designing the Lush Dry Garden So 550 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: that sounds intriguing, and also Gardens of Texas by Pam 551 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: Bennick on Timber Press. And one last one, Low Water Paradise. Oops, 552 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: mess that up. That's that's the subtitle for Designing the 553 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: Lush Garden. The subtitles Low Water Paradise by cricket, riley, alice, kita, gema, 554 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: and cure homes. So look, go look for those. 555 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 2: You know. Low water is getting more and more. 556 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, especially out west, anywhere in the Colorado, any place 557 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: that relies on the Colorado River for your water, you 558 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: better be thinking differently when it comes to gardens. 559 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,959 Speaker 2: Even here some years. But then, yeah, our garden wouldn't 560 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 2: have done so well with all these deluges. 561 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: You know, I felt like yesterday's delusion. I only got 562 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: a half inch, but some people got five inches. But 563 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: at least the ground wasn't bone dry. So even then 564 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: I think, you know, it meant something water soaked in. 565 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: But man, it cost havoc. It was rough. Another news 566 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: item here intrinsic perennials. Our friend Brent Horvath has debuted 567 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: a new prairie drop species or variety, Sparabilis heterolepis golden needles. 568 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: It's an all gold leaf form of intrinsics native prairie 569 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: drop seed with good size and vigor. It grows in 570 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: well draining, dry soils and turns of shartreuse by midsummer 571 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: in full sun. 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Go 601 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: to the iHeart app and go to fifty five krs 602 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,760 Speaker 1: and we'll be there apparently. 603 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 2: And you're a sensation in Norway. 604 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: In Norway. They're listening in Norway. 605 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they doubled our listenership. 606 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,439 Speaker 1: Don't say that anyway, idding, I know you're kidding. Yeah, 607 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: there must be one hundred people out there. I don't know, no, 608 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: I have no idea, but anyway, got a couple other 609 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: news items. Uh again, if you've got time to get 610 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: a call in if you want eight hundred two three 611 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: eighty two fifty five and David Hoffman The Grass expert 612 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: will show up. Uh in just about ten or fifteen minutes. Now. Anyway, 613 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: I read an article mark uh where cat knit lotion 614 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: works as well as deep at repelling mosquitoes according to 615 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: a study. Oh really, I what You're skeptical? 616 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 2: Well, I am, because I know how I mean, they're 617 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 2: finding that sometimes deep attracts mosquitoes that have been conditioned 618 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 2: to it. 619 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: But really, I well, maybe I eat something different. 620 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 2: I put I use deet on my clothing. 621 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're supposed to do. 622 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and uh it's very effective. But yeah, I 623 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 2: don't know. I don't want a bunch of cats. I know, 624 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: I know you're loyal and I like botanicals. 625 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, right, But they're saying that a 626 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: uh well this was a research study in Uganda, uh 627 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 1: and there The findings were presented at the July seventh 628 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: Society of Experimental Biologies Annual Conference in Florence, Italy. More 629 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,479 Speaker 1: travel for you man get to that one next year. 630 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: The study comes as malaria continues to pose a big 631 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: health international health challenge with malaria and other things. But 632 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: they found that cat nip, which comes from the peeda cateria, 633 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,439 Speaker 1: the real cat nip not the mint. It's a member 634 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: of the mint family contains a natural occurring compound called 635 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: nepita lactone. 636 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 2: This is very ironic. You're putting catnip on in a 637 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 2: country that has large predator cats. 638 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: I didn't think that. 639 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 2: Maybe they would just kind of purr and rub up 640 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 2: against you. 641 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, maybe they. Well, it says while it's best 642 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: known for triggering playful behavior, so maybe the big cats 643 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: will be playful carnivorous. You know. 644 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 2: Rutgers University bread a catnip that really has a lot 645 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 2: of that active compound in it. And I think somebody like, 646 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 2: since fentanyl for cat Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's what it is. 647 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 2: It's a kitty crack or something. 648 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: But anyway, they've known that this works. And then they 649 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:15,399 Speaker 1: found that a six percent cat net lotion made from 650 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: the peda lactone with the pedal lactone in it worked 651 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: as well as deep while at two percent formula offered 652 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: nearly the same level. 653 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 2: Okay, well I'll have to try that. 654 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: Thing they said that's best about it is that it's 655 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: easy for local communities to make. Ah so, and maybe 656 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 1: you know, people at home rather than deet is expensive, 657 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 1: you know, it is Yeah. So if you got cat 658 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: mint and you can keep your cat away from it, 659 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: and you can make a lotion out of it, maybe 660 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: you've got a good mosquito. And this is only for 661 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,600 Speaker 1: a study about mosquitos. Who knows. Maybe it works for, 662 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, ticks and things, siggers, siger Oh, if it 663 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: works for I was about to say I'd rather have 664 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: ticks and siggers, but no, Sugars just are annoying. Ticks 665 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: can kill you or make you very very sick. They're 666 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: bad news. 667 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, they have taken me. You know, back when I 668 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 2: was a kid, way back then, it was rare to 669 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 2: get ticks. Well, you get ticks, but you just pulled 670 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 2: them off and you went about your way. There wasn't 671 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 2: all There was Rocky Mountain, spotted fever that you always 672 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 2: talked about. Yeah, different things, but what lots of stuff. 673 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: Also earlier well, in June, penn State announced that they 674 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: have been doing flower trials for ninety years and that 675 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: is at their Agricultural Research and Extension Center in Maynheim, Pennsylvania, 676 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: which I think is near Lancaster's. 677 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in that area. 678 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that area. 679 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 2: They do good trialing. 680 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: They really do good trialing and they more recently, I 681 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: think that's the site where Claudia West is doing a 682 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: lot of studies with the ecosystem function of a lot 683 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: of different Oh I didn't know that. Yeah, some really 684 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,280 Speaker 1: cool research, really deep stuff. I mean I could hardly. 685 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: I love Claudia. I've had her come as a speaker, 686 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,879 Speaker 1: a wonderful speaker, man, she is so scientific, And these 687 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: kind of studies get to where my head spins and 688 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm just feeling, you know, hopelessly stupid, right, and not 689 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: happy at all. But it is good research. If somebody 690 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,440 Speaker 1: else comes along and digests it and makes it in 691 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: a more readable form, that's where I live and function. Yeah. 692 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, those trials are for annuals 693 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: and perennials and potted no annuals and potted perennials, representing 694 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: more than two hundred million dollars for the industry in 695 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,400 Speaker 1: the state of Pennsylvania. These are big business. Nearly a 696 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: thousand annuals and perennial trials on her varieties on trial, 697 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: and thirty floriculture companies are represented, so big, big, and 698 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,959 Speaker 1: these are open you know, you can google where they are, 699 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: and they're just out there. You can just park and 700 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: walk around and see what looks great, what you like, 701 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: what you don't, how they're using it. Great way to 702 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: learn plants. 703 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 2: I'm with you. Yeah, a lot of good trial sites 704 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 2: in the in the country. 705 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about we didn't get to this earlier, 706 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: but let's talk about some things what we're doing in 707 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: the uh in the yard now. Tasks that we need 708 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: to do, things we should have done last week. Okay, 709 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. 710 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,359 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, quite a. 711 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: Back back through my paperwork because I didn't think we 712 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: were going to get to it. 713 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 2: Do you want me to start with one? 714 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? Go, okay. 715 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 2: So if you're growing they call them semi erect blackberries, 716 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 2: like Triple Crown or the Old Chester. They're these big 717 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 2: sprawling bushes, even some of the erect ones. And you 718 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,000 Speaker 2: know when they once they get around four feet, it's 719 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 2: you top them and then it makes them send out 720 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 2: these branches. So now's the time to be cutting those 721 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 2: branches back to like twelve to eighteen inches. You don't 722 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 2: you just kind. 723 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: Of keep printing with blackberries and raspberries. It's like so important, 724 00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: it is. 725 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, especially blackberries. These semi rex can just ramble and ramble. Yeah, 726 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 2: and it's good to me. 727 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: Cane. Oh yeah, yeah, I can really take over. And 728 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: and they're so thorny and there. 729 00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's a lot of thornlessness now no, okay, yeah, yeah, 730 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 2: I've got thorny varieties. There are some really good ones, 731 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 2: but you know most there's they're heading all thornless. 732 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: Good time to wheat. Stay on top of your weeding 733 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: as always, uh, but be careful. The poison hemlock uh 734 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: and wild parsnip uh, beagle live b y g l 735 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: u yarden garden uh is a good source for good information. 736 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,439 Speaker 1: Joe Bobbs is put out there about how and when 737 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 1: to treat that. You know what a threat it can make. 738 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,959 Speaker 1: My son just string trim some poison ivy last week 739 00:42:55,080 --> 00:43:00,240 Speaker 1: or two weeks ago, and he through his his blue jeans. 740 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: You've got horrible itching and stuff all over his legs. 741 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,839 Speaker 1: So it's broth. When we come back, we will have 742 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: David Hoffman with us. We'll talk. He's a fun guy 743 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about fun plants with your 744 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: grasses and sedges, So say tune for that. We'll be 745 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: back in just a few minutes.