1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Michael, the new laws that the legislative body have passed 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: against landlords in the state are horrifying. And because of that, 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: all the costs have gone up for landlords. And what 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: will happen if they try to put rent cats down 5 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: now to put a bandage on the problem that they created. 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 2: Landlords will just leave the state. So I think that's 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: their goal. They want all government owned housing here in Colorado, 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 2: and not just in Colorado. I think that again. You know, 9 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: I get no commission off this, but if you've never 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 2: read a book by Carol Roth Roth called You Will 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: Own Nothing, I would encourage you to go read that, 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,639 Speaker 2: because that is kind of the path that we're going on, 13 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: and of course that's the path that socialists and Marxist 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 2: communists for that matter, would really want us to have. 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 2: I have tate to do this next story, but it's timely, 16 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: and I want you to consider some alternate universes. I 17 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: will tell you up front that I'm as sick of 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 2: the story as you probably are, except it's one of 19 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: those things that you simply can't you. I'm Michael, I 20 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: never rubber neck. You know what. When I see a 21 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: pile up on the highway, I put my eyes forward, 22 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: and I gripped that steering wheel, and I never look 23 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: to my left or my right. I keep my head 24 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: straight up, straightforward. You probably do, but your eyes are 25 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: looking at the peripheral vision as much as you can 26 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: trying to look. You're trying to convince yourself that you're 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: not looking. But you're looking. I know you're looking, especially 28 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: when my wife's in the car. Why because she gets 29 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: mad at you for rever necking. Yep, but almost certainly 30 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: she's looking. But she's on the bitch about you looking. 31 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: So you got to keep your head straight ahead, but 32 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: your for that's a real test for your peripheral vision 33 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: when you're trying to look as far to your right 34 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 2: or left you can to see as much as you can. 35 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: We've kind of come to the agreement that a fine, 36 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: I won't look, but you have to tell me what 37 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: you saw. Yes, But then you, depending on where you are, 38 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: the medium gets in your way and you can't see 39 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: what's really happened. If you're going to have a wreck, 40 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: have it over on the shoulders. We can all see it, 41 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: and well, I can see it exactly, that's exactly right. Well, 42 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: I'm talking about the train wreck called give the idea. 43 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: What this is? Fine, bingo, this is why you're my producer. 44 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. I listened to Mike Johnson and then 45 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: I heard Chad talking about it during the news break, 46 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: and I I gotta do it. You gotta do it. 47 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: Here's Speaker Johnson. This morning, as I was driving into 48 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: work with so. 49 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 3: Many pressing issues on our plate. 50 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 2: Really, what's going on in the world. Is there anything 51 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 2: going on the world, the economy, world affairs, We got 52 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: the world's largest aircraft carrier down in the Caribbean. No, 53 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: there's nothing going on, just. 54 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: Very frustratingly to us, the Democrats are delaying that work 55 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: even further with a political show vote. They're forcing a 56 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 3: political show vote on the Epstein file. So we're just 57 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: going to address that right at the top here this morning, 58 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: because they've spent so much time, the Democrats have spending 59 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 3: the facts and trying to confuse the people that I 60 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: wanted to come in this morning and just clearly explain 61 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: for the people back home how we got here and 62 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: why this vote is happening right now. 63 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: You're always love when I watch these press conferences or 64 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: all the hostages that stand behind the speaker and by 65 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: this in this case, I don't mean literally the Speaker 66 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: of the House, but whoever's doing the press conference. There's 67 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: always people standing behind them looking as if they're being 68 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: held hostage. Then the speaker goes on to say this, okay. 69 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 3: Number two, the discharge petition could create new victims. Okay, 70 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 3: because it requires the DOJ to release information even in 71 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: cases where the DJ or the FBI has already reviewed 72 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 3: it and determined it is not credible, it is false information. 73 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 2: Doing this and requiring this to. 74 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: Come out could ruin the reputations of completely innocent people, 75 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: such as those who may just have known Epstein but 76 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 3: knew nothing of his crimes, or whose names he exploited. 77 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 3: Think of this innocent people whose names he exploited and 78 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 3: used to try to get close to his intended victims. 79 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 2: Now I want to say something about that, because he 80 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: won't say what I'm going to say. Speaker Johnston is 81 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: right about that, Johnson, Speaker Johnson, Mike Johnston is Mike Johnson. 82 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: Speaker Johnson is correct. The cabal will take everybody's name 83 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: that appears anywhere in any document at that has anything 84 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: to do with the Epstein case, and they will grab 85 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,239 Speaker 2: their camera crew, and they'll grab their their remote mics 86 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: and they will run to their offices, they'll run to 87 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 2: their homes and they'll knock on their doors and they'll demand, 88 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: what do you have to say about this? Well, I 89 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: he asked me for he asked me for an invitation 90 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: to a party, or he was trying to get in 91 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: touch with so and so, and he knew that I 92 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: was one degree of separation from So they won't make 93 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: any difference to the cabal. Your name appears in the 94 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: tranch of documents that are going to be released. 95 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 3: Their names may be in these files, and they had 96 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: nothing to do with this, And so by just haphazardly 97 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 3: releasing it, you're going to destroy their reputations. Release and 98 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: information containing the names of innocent people would subject those 99 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: innocent people to a guilt by association. It would create 100 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: an entirely new group of victims who have no means 101 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: to clear their names. That's a concern of Congress, and 102 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 3: it should be should be. 103 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: Now, I know, I listen, I can hear you. We 104 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 2: have a super duper little machine here that allows me 105 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: to hear what you're thinking. Oh, but Michael Bubbo was involved, 106 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: and I want bubb exposed. I want them to know 107 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: that bub was involved in this somehow, Michael, I know, 108 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: I know that Donald Trump is guilty of over or whatever. 109 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: Really do you think that Donald Trump knowing all the 110 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: way back to twenty fifteen, that the Democrats knew that 111 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: Trump's name was in these files, that if there was 112 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: something there there, they wouldn't have released it and gone 113 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: after him, and we would never had Trump one point oh, 114 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: let alone Trump two point oh. The Biden Justice Department 115 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 2: had all of this and they did nothing. And you're 116 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: telling me that all Trump's in trouble. Trump's in trouble. 117 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: Get a life, Mike. 118 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 4: When I was an information operator at the phone company, 119 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 4: they instructed us always to use oh for the letter 120 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 4: zero or the number zero, so it was three oh three, 121 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 4: not three zero three. 122 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care. They're trying to save 123 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: you a syllable because people are lazy and they're listening 124 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: three oh three three zero three, be correct. I don't 125 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: care what you were taught. You were not wrong. Let 126 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: me make something clear about the stupid Epstein files. I 127 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 2: honestly don't give a rats ask whether they're released or not, 128 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: and simply because I'm ambiguous about it. I am okay, okay. 129 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: Not doesn't mean that I'm trying to protect child predators, 130 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: child sexual abuse, or anything else, because you never people 131 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: never get beyond that. People can't think beyond that, and 132 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: consider for a moment that actually, this is an argument 133 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: to release the files because I don't trust the government. 134 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: I don't trust them at all, and I've got a 135 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: hell of a lot more reasons not to trust the 136 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: government than you do, based on my experience. But if, 137 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: just if there is a unprosecuted because remember these files 138 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: have been in the hands of Republican and Democrat Departments 139 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: of Justices for years, So if there is evidence of 140 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: child molestation or child abuse or child sexual you know, molestation, whatever, 141 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: then a pox on the government for having not prosecuted 142 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: those So I operate from a presumption that if the 143 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: if the Department of Justice had evidence of Jeffrey Epstein 144 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: committing sexual crimes, as they have with others, why would 145 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 2: some have been prosecuted and others not prosecuted? And I 146 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: know why. I can hear you say, oh, because it 147 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: was Jamie Diamond, or it was Bill Clinton, or it 148 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: was Donald Trump, or it was I don't care. Name 149 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: any other rich person, name any other famous person, and 150 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: that's your logic. Your logic fails, and your logic makes 151 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: an assumption that they particularly ignored those cases. Guess what, 152 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: You may never know the truth about those cases anyway, 153 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: because it's protected by grand jury testimony. So those cases 154 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: may have been presented to the Southern District of New 155 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: York and there was not a return of an indictment, 156 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: so nought he was ever prosecuted. So now you released 157 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: the new information. Oh so a grand jury decided not 158 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: to indict someone because there was not sufficient evidence to 159 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 2: do so. But now that documents are going to be released, 160 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: and now you're going to expose those people who were 161 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: found in essence not guilty by a grand jury at all. 162 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 2: Of that release the damn files. But be aware that 163 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: when you do. Speaker Johnson no need to go back 164 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: and finish what he said. But Johnson raises concerns that 165 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: the petition lacks language preventing the release of child sexual 166 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 2: abuse material also known as child pornography CSAM, that is 167 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 2: a very specific crime, child sex abuse material, and sealed 168 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 2: grand jury testimony, the latter of which has had no 169 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: adversarial challenge, What do I mean by that never a 170 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: chance to cross examine? A defendant whose case goes before 171 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: a grand jury does not have the opportunity to cross 172 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: examine a witness. So the speaker explains that our side, 173 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: the Republican side, has been insistent that this matter must 174 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: be handled very carefully, before detailing that language in the 175 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: Democrat led discharge petition is so vague that it provides 176 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: zero protection for Jeffrey Epstein's victims, or even provisions to 177 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: bar the release of child's sexual abuse materials collected from 178 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: Epstein's properties. Do you really want that released? If you 179 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: have a child who is a victim of child's sexual 180 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: abuse and they have that on video or film or photos, 181 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: do you really want that released? Do you really want 182 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: that to become public domain material? I don't. If it 183 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: were my child, I wouldn't. Yeah, I would be pursuing 184 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: civil lawsuits against those perpetrators if I knew who the 185 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: perpetrators were. But there's no guarantee that this information is 186 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 2: going to tell you who the perpetrators were. Now, Johnson 187 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: goes on to say that we want maximum transparency, but 188 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 2: he warns that it's currently written this discharge petition, it's 189 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 2: probably going to meuddy the waters even further. Overall, House 190 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: Republicans presented five key objections to the Democrat led discharged 191 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,599 Speaker 2: position as it was written, namely that it fails to 192 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 2: protect the right to privacy of the victims. While a 193 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 2: number of women preyed upon by the deceased pedophile finance 194 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: finans here have come forward, there are still many who 195 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: have chosen not to go public with their allegations or 196 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: their horrific experiences. That is their right to do so. 197 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 2: But yet I think some people want to force them 198 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 2: to have to deal with this. Well, wait a minute, 199 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: that's not your choice. That's the victim's choice, not yours. 200 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: I got a question for you. 201 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: I could leave you a text to three three one 202 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: o three, But if it's your. 203 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 2: Exclusive line, why the hell do I have to say? Michael, Michael? 204 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 2: And actually, that's a great question, and that's a question 205 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 2: that we've been asking for i'd say a couple of 206 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: weeks now, and unfortunately I found out when remember Stacy, right, 207 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: for weeks you mean, I mean years, We've been dealing 208 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: with this problem because it's just well, in the last 209 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 2: couple well the last couple of weeks since coming over here, 210 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 2: I've refocused on it again. And guess who's no longer 211 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 2: employed by the company. Stacey's no longer there. So I'm 212 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: still trying to dig to find the person that so 213 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: we can get that corrected. So I I get it, 214 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: I know, But leave it to, you know, leave it 215 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 2: to a gadfly to point it out to us, you know, 216 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: to you know, to you know, make fun of us. 217 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:36,359 Speaker 2: Let me tell you about grand jury proceedings. Grand jury proceedings, 218 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: including testimony, documents, videos, photographs, everything are sealed by tradition 219 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: and by law to protect the grand jury's functioning. The 220 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 2: secrecy is codified in US law through the Federal Rule 221 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: of Criminal Procedure Rule six e. Now states have similar rules. 222 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: The key reason for secrecy was established to US Supreme 223 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: Court in cases like US versus Procter and Gamble way 224 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: back in nineteen fifty eight. This is not something new, 225 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: and then in a case called Douglas Oil Company versus 226 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: Petrol Stops in nineteen seventy nine. These are the reasons 227 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: for the secrecy. Let me just give you like five 228 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: key reasons. It is to prevent suspects under investigation from 229 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 2: learning about it and therefore fleeing or tampering with the 230 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: evidence or the witnesses. That's a really good reason to 231 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: keep it secret. Number two, to protect the witnesses from 232 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: being intimidated or retaliation against the witnesses. And in order 233 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: to encourage you witness to testify freely and fully knowing 234 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: this is going to be kept secret. Those are really 235 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: important reasons. Third, and this is where I think it's 236 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: important here, safeguarding the reputations of individuals investigated but not indided, 237 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: so you avoid public disclosure of accusations that did not 238 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: result in charges. Many of you who are saying that, oh, 239 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: this is to protect pedophiles are making a big ass 240 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: assumption that somebody was indicted by a grand jury and 241 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: then never that indictment was never presented to a federal 242 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: criminal court. That's just simply not true. It means that 243 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 2: if let's just say the dragon red Beard is a 244 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: billionaire financier philanthropist, and his name was brought before a 245 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 2: grand jury because we think he engaged in pedophilia with 246 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. So they take the case to a grand jury. 247 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: The grand jury says, no, we don't there's not enough 248 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 2: evidence there's a lot of reasonable doubt here. In fact, 249 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: we refuse to return an indictment. Now you want Dragon 250 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: red Beard's name out there, No, we don't do it 251 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: that way. We safeguard the reputations of individuals who are 252 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: investigated but indicted. The fifth reason I think I'm a 253 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: number four. Actually, we want to encourage grand jurors to deliberate, 254 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 2: investigate without any sort of external pressure. And then, of 255 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 2: course we want to maintain the overall independence and of 256 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: course the efficiency of the grand jury process. Secrecy is indefinite. 257 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: It does not automatically in when the grand jury finishes 258 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: its work or there's an indictment issued or not issued. 259 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: So release of grand jury material disclosure is prohibited unless 260 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: one of the explicit exceptions in Rule six e applies. 261 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: The most commonly invoked exception for public release is Rule 262 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: sixty E three E, commonly called the particularized need or 263 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,479 Speaker 2: the special circumstances exception, that allows the court to authorize 264 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 2: disclosure preliminarily two or in connection with a judicial proceeding. 265 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: In fact, that's the main path almost always used, because 266 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: there's been an indictment and so now part of that 267 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 2: evidence needs to be used in the criminal case in 268 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 2: federal court. Now, I'm only talking about federal court here. 269 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: Two at the request of a defendant who shows that 270 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 2: a ground may exist to dismiss the indictment because it's 271 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 2: something that occurred in front of the grand jury. Those 272 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: are the two that are most likely ever used. They're 273 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 2: not being used here now. Other automatic disclosures, like to 274 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: government lawyers, to other grand juries, that doesn't apply to 275 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 2: a public release. Those are still kept secret and only 276 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: disclosed in those very specific instances. But one hundred percent 277 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 2: of the time it requires a judge's order. Now, many 278 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 2: of you have said, oh, well, these are Clinton and 279 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: Obama appointees. No, they're only Obama. The judge in the 280 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: Southern District of New York, her name is Robinson, is appointee. Now, 281 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 2: since the Court's decision back in Proctor Gamble nineteen fifty eight, 282 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 2: the party seeking disclosure must show that the material is 283 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 2: needed to avoid a possible injustice in another proceeding. It's 284 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: very specific, not just a possible injustice, but a possible 285 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: injustice in another criminal or judicial proceeding, and that the 286 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 2: need for disclosure is greater than the need for secrecy, 287 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 2: and that the request by the party one ant released 288 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: is structured to cover only materials so needed, meaning particularized. 289 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 2: You're looking for particular things to be released, and in practice, 290 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: courts also release historical grand jury jury records, but secrecy 291 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: concerns have dissipated. For example, Watergate's done. Presidents resigned. Now 292 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 2: it's been twenty or thirty years, we release the material 293 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: for historians. Look at the Rosenberg case, the alger Hears case, 294 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 2: alger His case, certain civil rights era cases, even things 295 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 2: like the guy that Jack Ruby case in the Kennedy assassination. 296 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 2: And if a judge refuses listen closely. If this judge refuses, 297 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: that can be appealed. Nobody's appealed. So the rules set 298 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: by Rule six apply. Now let's go back to the 299 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 2: politics of this thing. I have a simple question that 300 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: I want you to think about. Four Republicans, only four Republicans, 301 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: the Republican squad if you want to. 302 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 4: Call them, that. 303 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: Wanted to vote on releasing the Epstein files. Two hundred 304 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 2: and fourteen Democrats joined them. If Nancy Pelosi voted yes, 305 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 2: why doesn't somebody ask her why she waited six years? 306 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 2: Since she was the speaker starting beginning back in twenty nineteen, 307 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: the same year that Epstein was charged. Why haven't Democrats 308 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:17,239 Speaker 2: for the past six years not done anything they can 309 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 2: be If you believe that somebody is trying to hide Trump, 310 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 2: you don't think Democrats wouldn't have done everything possible. They 311 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: would do the same thing they're doing now. I think 312 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 2: Speaker Johnson. I don't necessarily think Speaker Johnson is a 313 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 2: great speaker, but I think right here he's doing the 314 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 2: right thing. He's going to follow a discharged position. He's 315 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: following Roberts rules of order, he's following the House rules, 316 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 2: and because enough people have voted to release them, to 317 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 2: have a discharge petition to release these records. Now, remember 318 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: there are two sets of records. There are the records 319 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: that DOJ has and there are the records that the 320 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 2: House Oversight Committee has. Guess who has more records, the 321 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: House Oversight Committee, not the Department of Justice. So everybody 322 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 2: that's yelling cover up, you're yelling at the wrong people. 323 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 2: You ought to be yelling at the House Oversight Committee, 324 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: which has been releasing documents. So what the Democrats are 325 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: doing with the discharge petition is simply saying, you know, 326 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 2: what let's just stop, Let's stop this dribbling out of 327 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 2: leak here or there, and let's just you know, take 328 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 2: the big, old, gigantic, big ass banker's box and just 329 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: throw it in the middle of the room, take the 330 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 2: lid off and say here it is, and let the 331 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 2: vultures go feed. I'm for that, except I have a 332 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: very genuine concern for victims who don't want to relive 333 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: the horrific things they went through. That's their decision. That's 334 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 2: not your decision. It's not my decision. Now there are 335 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 2: some victims who do want it released. So now you've 336 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: got to figure out, Okay, are we going to release 337 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: all of them? Or if the record pertains to Marry 338 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: but it doesn't pertain to Sue, are you going to 339 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 2: release just Mary's or most Mary's and Sue when one 340 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 2: wants it in one doesn't want it. You see, this 341 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 2: is nothing but a big ass political gain. Thomas Massey, 342 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: Republican congressman from Kentucky. He's the one that drafted the 343 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: discharge petition in the House. They would force a vote 344 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: by the House on legislation that Massey has proposed ordering 345 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 2: the Trump administration to release publicly all of the investigative 346 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 2: records related to Epstein and his quote associates. Now that 347 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: discharge petition is the mechanism by which individual members can 348 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: force a floor vote on legislation when the Speaker won't 349 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: bring that legislation up for a vote in their regular order. 350 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 2: To force such a vote, a petition needs the sayignatures 351 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 2: of a majority of the members of the House in 352 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: this In this case, two hundred and eighteen, two hundred 353 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 2: and fourteen Democrats have joined in, So they need four Republicans. 354 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: They've got four Republicans. They've got Massey, They've got Bobert 355 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: from Colorado. They've got Marjorie Taylor Green and Nancy Mason 356 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 2: New York. So they got the four. Massey's a party 357 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: of one. Don't get me wrong. I like Thomas Massey, 358 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 2: but sometimes he's just an object of just he just 359 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 2: stands in the way of getting anything done. Sometimes on principle, 360 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 2: sometimes I question that. Sometimes I think it's just because 361 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: he wants the attention, and now he's got all the 362 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 2: attention in the world. His famed physical conservatism is entirely situational. 363 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 2: He always seems to withhold a vote when the president 364 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 2: of his own party asks for it. But when the 365 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 2: president of a opposition party asks for it, oh, he 366 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: does it, then he'll help a Democrat, but he won't 367 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: help a Republican. All of what's going on right now 368 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: is kind of a replay of Matt Gates's move to 369 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: aus Kevin McCarthy from the speakership, and Gates succeeded with 370 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: the votes of two or ten Democrats added to the 371 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 2: votes of eight Republicans led by Gates, and that allowed 372 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: the minority Democrat caucus to force a decision on the 373 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: Republicans about who would be the next speaker if they 374 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 2: were not ready to make And then you had chaos 375 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: for three weeks and we almost lost the majority in 376 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 2: the House because of Matt Gates and that stupid play. 377 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 2: And that's what's going on here now. Again. You've got 378 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: to separate the politics of this from the substance of 379 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 2: the documents, because you're not going to get the grand 380 00:24:53,440 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 2: jury evidence unless those six specific exceptions are met and 381 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 2: the judge orders the release of the documents. Now, there's 382 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 2: no statue limitations on charging anybody with child sexual abuse none. 383 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 2: The only one that I think might apply is there's 384 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 2: a ten year statute after the death of a victim, 385 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 2: So after a victim dies, the forever statue that never 386 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: ends gets limited to ten years. I think I'm interpreted 387 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 2: that right. Criminal lawyer might correct me on it, but 388 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: I think that's right. So you're not going to get 389 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 2: the grand jury information. I think that's where everybody gets 390 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 2: confused about. Grand jury testimony, grand jury documents, grand jury photographs, 391 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 2: grand jury evidence of whatever format takes. You're not going 392 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: to get unless a judge grants that. Now, if the 393 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: judge refuses to grant it, any of those parties can appeal. 394 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 2: They can appeal to the Court of Ape that covers 395 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 2: New York. If they deny it, they can take it 396 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 2: to the Supreme Court, who may or may not hear it. Now, 397 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 2: let's think about whether or not we're doing something to 398 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 2: try to protect, you know, child predators, pedophilias. I don't 399 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 2: think so. I think that's what everybody wants to believe. 400 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 2: And what scares me about that is this, and I 401 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 2: keep using Jamie Diamond. There is zero evidence that Jamie 402 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 2: Diamond was somehow involved in child sexual molestation, yet his 403 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: name is all over these documents. As you would expect, 404 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 2: because either chairman of JP Morgan Chase. So they circled 405 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: around in the same circles in New York and Washington, 406 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 2: in that whole DC New York corridor. So if the 407 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 2: documents get released and Jamie Diamond's name appears there, how 408 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: many people are going to claim, Oh, Jamie Diamond must 409 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 2: have been a pedophile. I don't know Jamie Diamond from Adam, 410 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 2: don't know, don't care, don't necessarily like JP Morgan Chase, 411 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: doesn't make any difference to me. But people just seem 412 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: to be on this this sort of oh, there's something 413 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: there there. Everybody's hiding something. Listen to yourselves. If if 414 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 2: I had to make a Hobson's choice, if I if 415 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 2: I put a gun to my head and say release 416 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 2: the files, don't release the files, We're I gonna tell 417 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: you which way. I would release the files, and I 418 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: would release the files just to shut everybody up. But 419 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: you know what, it's not gonna shut everybody up. They're 420 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: gonna continue to argue about what does this mean? What 421 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 2: does this mean? Well, we think that so and so 422 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 2: was involved, where's the document about him. It's a never 423 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 2: ending process. So that's why I say, just release all 424 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 2: the bull crap. Just release it and go from there. 425 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 2: Right now, everything that I think the Republican squad is 426 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 2: doing massying those three women, I think it's for purely 427 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: political perform. Hormans, Green, Mace, and Bobert are potentially and 428 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,719 Speaker 2: maybe likely on their way out of politics. Massey might 429 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 2: as well be out right now because he's a he's 430 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 2: a guy without a party part. You know, he's capable 431 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: of accomplishing nothing right now that isn't provided to him 432 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: by maybe Ran Paul and maybe Mitch McConnell. But mcconnald's Gonson. 433 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 2: McConnell's basically dad is a politician right now, he's just 434 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 2: a gadfly. Mitch McConnell on's the most powerful person in 435 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 2: the Senate right now, is unable to influence legislation or 436 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 2: any sort of Republican Party policy. So it's Massey and 437 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 2: these three women. They're the ones that are giving the 438 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: Democrats the power to get these documents released. So if 439 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 2: you're if you're solely focused on getting this this discharge 440 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: petition done, remember that has nothing to do with grand 441 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 2: jury material. Now, could there be some overlap? Could the 442 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: House Oversight Committee have some material that they didn't get 443 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: from a grand jury. But it's the same document that 444 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 2: might exist in a grand jury file somewhere. Yes, but 445 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that from a technical viewpoint, that they 446 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: pierced the veil of the grand jury. That's Rule six 447 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: cy of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. And nobody 448 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: that I can find has gone and said no, I 449 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: take that back. Pam Bondi's DOJ has gone to this 450 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: judge and has made the request to have the grand 451 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: jury materially released. The judge said to the Department of Justice, 452 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 2: on what basis are you asking? Well, because politically we 453 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 2: just want to get it out there, that's not a 454 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 2: reason under the law. So for all of you who 455 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: are always bitching and moaning about wow, you're the rule 456 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 2: of laws disappearing. Now you want to just violate the 457 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 2: Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure sixty just because you're curious 458 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 2: about what's in these documents. Give me a break, Give 459 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 2: me a freaking break. Either you want to follow the 460 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 2: law or you don't want to follow the WA law. 461 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 2: You can't have it both ways. If Trump one of 462 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 2: the files released, you know what you do? He pick 463 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: up the phone, He call Pam BONDI, with those instructions, 464 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 2: release what you've got. But she's still bound by the 465 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: grand jury, so she'll release Let's say she's got two boxes. 466 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 2: She has one box over here there's all the investigating material. 467 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 2: Then she has in another box all of the stuff 468 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 2: that she presented to the grand jury. She can't release 469 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: the second box. That's the violation of the law. So 470 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: you want the Attorney General of the United States of America. 471 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 2: When we bitched about all the Democrats attorney generals violating 472 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 2: the law, you now want a Republican attorney general to 473 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: violate the law. I can't join you in that. I 474 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 2: cannot join you in that. I'm done.