1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Dragons. The best dragon is the best dragon is the 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: best dragon is the best dragon is the best dragon 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: is the best dragon is the best dragon is the 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: best dragon is the best dragon is the best dragon 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: is the best dragon is the best dragon is the 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: best dragon is the best Are you dragging rying the 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: best dragging? 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: You know? Like, are you just you know? I have 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 2: a meeting today with the boss. Tell me you're just 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: trying to totally screw me over so that when I 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: go in, I'm gonna get, you know, reamed over for you. 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 2: Don't waste any time playing you all these stupid talk 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: backs where it's just browny browny, browny brownie or dragons, 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: the best, dragons, the best And then I'm gonna be 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: the ones get the but you, but you, and and 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: you're gonna sit back here and and just you know, 17 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: got along with some tampon up your nose because oh, 18 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: because missus redby or finally got fed up with you, 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: the rest of us get fed up with him. Maybe 20 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: we just all kind of punch you. We'll get both 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: nostrils bleeding. Holy cow, Why this is a hostile work environment. 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: I don't leave the talkbacks, I just play them. How 23 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: many choices of talkbacks. Did you have two or three? Yeah? 24 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: Two or three and you chose that one. Yeah, that's 25 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: the best one. Yeah, well the best one in his 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: opinion the guy that plays them. It wasn't the same guy, 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 2: was it. Yes, Yeah, it wasn't the same guy. Oh 28 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: my god. See. And I thought that the trend line 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: for the IQ level of the goobers was slight, was 30 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: going slightly. It was going slightly up, I thought, because 31 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 2: they were starting to make fun of each other. So, 32 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: you know, that's a win win for me. If I 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: can get the goobers fighting and you know, going after 34 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: each other, well that lets me mission accomplished. So I 35 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: can sit back and just watch the fight. But no, 36 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: now you've had to do that, And so now those 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: that were fighting each other are now tuning out beca is. 38 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: It's like, oh my god, we got Why is everybody 39 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: like you and everybody hates me? Why? 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 3: Why? 41 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: Why so easy? Why I'm a nice guy? Are you? 42 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: Well? 43 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: Not? According to govern number sixty one seventeen. See, I've 44 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: got that number memorized. That's sad. I'd like to read 45 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 2: to you what he called me today, but I'm not 46 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: going to do it. But Now I'm not gonna say 47 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: that I do too, because we discovered yesterday, just doing 48 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: a little research on a phone number, that that number 49 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: is associated with a ninety six year old woman. Now 50 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 2: he is clearly not a ninety six year old woman. Well, 51 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 2: we don't know, for I may have violated an HR 52 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: rule there by making a presumption that he because for 53 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: some reason we always that he. I forget how we 54 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 2: know that. Oh, because the other names associated with that number, 55 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: so they I don't know mom was with them or 56 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: does he live with mom? Mmmm? So pull us back 57 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: to bill to fund grants for hail resistant roofs. I 58 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: it was kind of interesting because as we were doing 59 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: the little switcher root here this morning, Gina was doing 60 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 2: that story and I only taught about half of it, 61 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: so I'm a typical goober. Finally half that listen to 62 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: what Gina was wro And so when she finished and 63 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: she turned to my cough, I said, oh, what was 64 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: that story again? What what's polist proposing? So I did, 65 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: I did some quick search. He apparently back to bill 66 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: to fund grants grants for hail resistant roofs Class four shingles. 67 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: I have, I have whatever the best is and I 68 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: get some discount for it, but it doesn't really help 69 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: because the policies are still outrageous. Uh so UH fund 70 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: grants for a hail resistant roofs wildfire mitigation financed by 71 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: a one percent field every homeowner's policy. So it's a 72 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: grant first of all, any grant that comes from the government, 73 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: where in the crap do you think they get the 74 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: money for the grant? They get it from you. So 75 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: it's like when you get a grant or a rebate 76 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 2: or an incentive to buy an EV which is going 77 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: by the wayside. Every time you know you see a 78 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: Tesla or some other EV driving down the highway, you know, 79 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 2: be sure in honk, and you know you should have 80 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: a sign that says you're welcome that you can put 81 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 2: up and flash it to the driver. You help pay 82 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: for that. So if you got a grant for a 83 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: hail resistant roof and it was a grant financed by 84 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: a one percent field on every homeowner's policy, that's not 85 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: free money. Somebody paid for it. And the political sales 86 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 2: pitch is is utterly asinine, which I guess I'm being 87 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: not harsh, I'm being master of the obvious because it 88 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: came from Jared Polus So of course the political sales 89 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 2: pitch is full of holes. The political sales pitch is 90 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: just pay a small broad based fee into a fund, 91 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: and we'll use that fund to harden high risk properties 92 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: for hail and fire. Which huh, high risk properties? What's 93 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: the high risk property? I don't know that my house 94 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 2: is at high risk for fire. It is at high 95 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: risk for a tornado because a tornado hit it about 96 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 2: four or five years ago. Literally hit my house, living 97 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: no home, of my entire life in the tornado hits 98 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: me in hide and trans Colorado. That's how I ended 99 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: up with a really good roof. So a to harden 100 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: high risk properties, reduce claims frequency and severity, and then 101 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: everyone's premiums will go down over time. What a load 102 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: of craft. In other words, it's structured like some sort 103 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: of cross subsidy. All policy holders would pay, but a 104 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: subset gets party your money and theoretically we'll all eventually 105 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: benefit over time from fewer big losses. Now, in pure 106 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: risk management terms, a mitigation subsidy could be efficient, but 107 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: only certain under unreal circumstances, under unreal conditions that have 108 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 2: to hold one the grant costs would have to be 109 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: lower than the expected avoided losses. Now, studies on fortified 110 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 2: or impact resistant roofs show material insalation can cut hailed 111 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: damage and can reduce repair costs significantly, sometimes on the 112 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: order of maybe somewhere thirty to fifty percent for a 113 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: really severe weather event, especially with the fortified or Class 114 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: four standards, and the private market under invest in mitigation. 115 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: Because of certain frictions, homeowners are cash constrained, there might open, 116 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: or they're unsure if the insurers will actually price the 117 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: risk reduction into premiums so they keep putting on cheap, 118 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: damage prone roofs, then a broad portfolio of hardened roofs 119 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: does reduce correlated losses. Big hailstorms hitting thousands of homes 120 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: at once, which can improve insurers loss ratios, reduce capital requirements, 121 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: and lower reinsurance costs, all of which could support lower 122 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: premiums over time. But there's a big butt, and the 123 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: butt is this hour's chance to win a thousand bucks 124 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: is coming up in the next five minutes thanks to 125 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: Mercedes Bens a little Mercedeslittlden dot com. 126 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 3: Mike the statement on the guy for the ID on 127 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 3: the pack of cigarettes should be Jim Crow twenty because 128 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: there's twenty items in each pack that needed the ID. 129 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: Well, cigarettes are a collective, they're communists because they're all 130 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: in the same little package. They're all there together. So 131 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: with respect to the talkbacks, we get this text message, 132 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: which is freaking hilarious. Michael, I am out doing door 133 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: dash right now. After I left the Brownie talked back 134 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: as well as the dragon talk back. I was dropping 135 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: off a dash and the people that he was delivering 136 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: to were laughing. They were laughing even harder when they 137 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: figured out that it was him. I will send you 138 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: fifty cents in compensation. Deal. Deal. We can take in 139 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: every little pain that we can get and everything that 140 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: we can get. So back, let me finish this. This 141 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: is really a fascinating economic question that I don't think 142 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: that police understands exactly what he's doing here. But that 143 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: doesn't shock me. Again. Back in pure risk management turns 144 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 2: a mitigation subsidy could be efficient, but it's got to 145 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: meet all the conditions. The grant cost is lower than 146 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 2: the avoided losses. And you know, sometimes well the private 147 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 2: market under invest in mitigation because of the frictions the 148 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: insurance the people that have the homes, their cash constrain 149 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: their mild peak. They don't know if the insurers will 150 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: actually price their risk reduction into their premiums, so they 151 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 2: just don't put on the roofs. They don't see any 152 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: benefit of doing it. Now, a broad portfolio of hardened 153 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: roofs would correlate to you know, reduces correlated losses because 154 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: hailstorms hitting thousands of homes at once, big storms, that 155 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: could improve insurers loss ratios, That could therefore reduce their 156 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: capital requirements, and that could lower reinsurance costs, all of 157 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 2: which could support lower premiums over time. Now, if the 158 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: insurers are required to recognize mitigation with credits, the state 159 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 2: could try to force some of those savings back into 160 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: premiums instead of letting those all accrue to the ca. Now, 161 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: some states already mandate premium credits for specified mitigation. Colorado's 162 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 2: trying to move that direction. Now, under that textbook logic, 163 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: you spend say an extra few thousand and subsidy per 164 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: roof to avoid tens of thousands of aggregate hail and 165 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 2: fire losses over the next decade. Some of that savings 166 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: would be or could be transmitted to lower rates statewide. 167 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 2: But here's where the fairness objection steps in. Everyone pays 168 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: the fee, but not everybody's going to get or can 169 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: get a grant. Now, the earlier proposal by police would 170 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 2: have levied the about one percent charge on every homeowner's policy, 171 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: then use that pot of money to fund grants only 172 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: for those who replace roofs and for a wildlife or 173 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: a wildfire reinsurance backstop. If you have a new roof, 174 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 2: or a small home or a condo, or you don't 175 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: control the roof, or you still we don't have the 176 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: money or the inclination to reroof you're paying extra for 177 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: someone else's upgrade. That's a transfer. That's not a neutral 178 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: market solution. The plan doesn't then practically can't hand out 179 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: full replacement grants every home owner simultaneously. The per household 180 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 2: cost would explode if you did that, So I think 181 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,359 Speaker 2: the explicit idea has to be to cover the incremental 182 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: cost of hail resistant roofing versus standard materials for a 183 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: subset of homes, not a full replacement for everybody. So 184 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: the fairnest defense is utilitary. It is truly utilitarian. Yes, 185 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: it's not even at the micro level, but someday, if 186 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: we harden enough structures, then everybody's base rate might be lower. 187 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: That's a very different claim than saying every individual is 188 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 2: treated equitably. Think of two neighbors with identical houses and 189 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: identical policies. Neigbor A gets hit by hail uses the 190 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 2: grant to put on a class four roof mitigation discount. 191 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: They also no longer pay the program fee into the 192 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: versions that at least were being discussed. The neighborhood or 193 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: neighbor b re roofed their house a year earlier at 194 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: their own expense and may be stuck paying the one 195 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 2: percent surcharge. They don't get a grant, maybe a modest 196 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: discount if the carrier recognizes their roof class. Both of 197 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 2: them subsidized the fund, but only one recouped anything significant. 198 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: I think that's politically combustible. Even if an actuary would 199 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 2: say that the overall system wide lost curve gets improved, now, 200 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: supporters would probably make a few moves to try to 201 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: sell both the efficiency and the fairness. They argue that 202 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: doing nothing is worse. They stress targeting, that we're going 203 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 2: to focus on high risk geographies, and they pair the 204 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: grants with tax advantaged catastrophic savings accounts, so you can 205 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 2: sell find mitigation deductibles, and they try to embed it 206 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: in a broader architecture. From an economist view, if those 207 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 2: pieces worked as advertised, you might justify the cross subsody 208 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 2: on the classic public good externality grounds. But that decision 209 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 2: to harden your roof reduces system systemic catastrophic risk. The 210 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 2: others can't fully pay you. They can't pay you for 211 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: that in a private contract. So there's a bunch of 212 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 2: holes in this that I think they're just they're trying 213 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: to solve a problem that quite frankly, they'll do what 214 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: the Alabama model is make the insurance companies put into 215 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 2: the risk pool. 216 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 4: Mike, I remember Lewis and floor Wax had a campaign 217 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 4: to change eating the town beavers the animal the mascot 218 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 4: because that was the politically right thing to do at 219 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 4: the time. 220 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: I think they had shirts made up and everything, the 221 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: good old Eton Beavers. Yep, there's a in Milcomb, a Panhandle. 222 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:18,239 Speaker 2: There's the town of Beaver, and there's the town of Hooker. Yeah, 223 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: for what the first time in what would be now 224 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: five years, somebody other than officials in Fulton County Georgia 225 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: or officials or people personnel from the state of Georgia 226 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: will actually have a chance to look at the ballots 227 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: cast in the in that county back in the twenty 228 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: twenty presidential election. So all the English screeching from the 229 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: cabal owned by the Democrats that the search weren't that 230 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: was issued is somehow repeating debunk conspiratorial allegations that were 231 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: rejected by a bunch of courts over the past five years. 232 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: Missed two points. It just boggles my mind because most, 233 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: if not all, of the ad versus court rulings came 234 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: against the standard of whether the Trump campaign could show 235 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: outcome determinitive levels of fraud sufficient to allow even an 236 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: investigation of the ballots to take place. In other words, 237 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: they had to reach a threshold before they could even 238 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 2: inspect the ballots that there was enough fraud to overturn 239 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: the election in that county. That wasn't the allegation. The 240 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 2: allegation was said because there's fraud, and we want to 241 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: go see how much there is. And the other point 242 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: that everybody in the cabala is missing the exoneration of 243 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: Fulton County's election officials and the Georgia Secretary of State's 244 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: handling of the voting and all the aftermath in the voting, 245 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: All of those honerations came from the county and the 246 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: Secretary of State themselves. Oh well, there are these allegations 247 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: against us, and we've decided those allegations are without merit. 248 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: Oh okay, Well, then end the story. An a day 249 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: in support of the search warrant is provided to the 250 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: court because you need to establish probable cause to believe 251 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: that a crime was committed, and that evidence that crime 252 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: is likely to be located in the locations, or in 253 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: the documents or whatever it is for which the search 254 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: warrant is sought. There is never a need, there's no 255 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: need for an affidavit to name suspects. In fact, in 256 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: many instances, it might be the case that those identities 257 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: are not even known at the time that the search 258 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: warrant is sought. The documents to be seized are likely 259 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: to be the source of that information, and that's why 260 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: you get a search warrant for those documents. Now, as 261 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 2: for whether or not probable cause that a crime has 262 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: been committed, the affidavit submitted by the FBI agent references 263 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: one record keeping statute with regard to election records for 264 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: federal elections, it requires the statute requires the retention for 265 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: a fixed period of time of quote all records and 266 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: papers which come into his possession relating to any act 267 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 2: requisite to voting in such election. Now, the second statute 268 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 2: that's reference in the affidavit that was used to get 269 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: a probable cause warrant makes it a crime to do 270 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: this knowingly and wilfully deprive the residents of a state 271 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 2: of a fair and impartially conducted election process. By subsection B, 272 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 2: the procurement casting or tabulations of ballots that are known 273 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: by the person to be materially false, fictious, fictitious, I'm sorry, 274 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 2: or fraudulent under the laws of the state in which 275 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: the election is held. Now to determine whether the Fulton 276 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: County officials had complied with the record keeping requirement by 277 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: the first statute, and then to determine whether anybody had 278 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 2: violated the second statue with regard to the procurement, casting 279 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: or tabulation of fraudulent ballots. One of the things an 280 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 2: investigator might want to look at is the caste and 281 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: tabulated ballots. The affidavit in the Fulton County case states 282 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: that in the aftermath of the election, quote, there were 283 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: many allegations of electoral impropriety, maybe not enough, but the 284 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: affidavit does go on to state that some of those 285 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 2: allegations were disproven, but others were established to be true. 286 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: How because in some cases people in Fulton County themselves 287 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: admitted that they were true. So Fulton County in the 288 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 2: state of Georgia are now going to great links, which 289 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: it's It's like if if somebody were running for office 290 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: and they made a claim and you just wanted to 291 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 2: find out whether that claim was true or not because 292 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: you're asking for my vote, So you make an extraordinary 293 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 2: claim and I just asked is the claim true or not? 294 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 2: And instead you go silent or you go to great 295 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 2: links to try to prevent me to find out whether 296 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: the claim is true or not. Well, that's what's happening 297 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: in Fulton County and the state of Georgia. They're going 298 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: to great links to prevent an examination of the actual 299 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: ballots who were cast in the twenty twenty election. Instead, 300 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 2: they want to provide scanned images of the ballots. In 301 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 2: response to these requests, they refused requests from the Department 302 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 2: of Justice to voluntarily provide the actual ballots for examination. 303 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: Why would you do? Why? 304 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 3: So? 305 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: The FBI and the Department of Justice assembly list of 306 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 2: the report problems that included information provided by Fulton County 307 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 2: itself after the election in twenty twenty. Further examination of 308 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 2: those reported problems. That's the basis for obtaining the ballance, 309 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 2: and that's the basis for obtaining all the other election 310 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: related materials that was specified in the search warrant. From 311 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: the warrant itself, this investigation, I'm quoting from the search 312 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: war in itself, this investigation has presently focused on the 313 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 2: following deficiencies or defects with the November third, twenty twenty election, 314 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: the tabulation of the votes thereof, and then it goes 315 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: on to site five cases or five problems. The tabulator 316 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 2: machines used by Fulton County are designed to create and 317 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: save a scanned image of each ballot. Fulton County has 318 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: admitted that it does not have scanned images of all 319 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: the five hundred and twenty eight thousand, seven hundred and 320 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: seventy seven ballots contained during the original count or the 321 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 2: five hundred and twenty seven nine twenty five ballots counted 322 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: during the recount, that alone is a discrepancy worth investigating. Second, 323 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 2: according to the search warrant or the probable cause affidavit, 324 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 2: Fulton County has confirmed that during the recount of votes, 325 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 2: some ballots were scanned multiple times. Ballot images made available 326 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: in response to public record requests like for your request 327 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 2: show ballance with unique markings duplicated within the ballot images. 328 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 2: In other words, it appears that some of these counted 329 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: multiple times even during the recount. Third, during the risk 330 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: limiting audit, auditors counting the votes by hand reported vote 331 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: tallies for batches inconsistent with the actual votes within that batche. 332 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: The state's Performance Review Board reported that Secretary of State 333 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 2: investsators confirmed inaccurate batch tallies from the risk limiting audit. Wow, 334 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: so even when they did their own audit, they found inconsistencies. 335 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 2: And that's the basis for a probable cause. Hey, let 336 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: us look at the ballots. It's a federal election. FBI 337 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 2: has jurisdiction. Let us see it. D Auditors assisting in 338 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: the risking in the risk limiting audit reported counting purported 339 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 2: absentee ballots that had never been creased or folded as 340 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: would be required for the ballot to be mailed to 341 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 2: the voter, and for the ballot to be returned in 342 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: the sealed envelope requiring the voter signature for authentication. What 343 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 2: an absentee ballot gets voted has never been folded or creased. 344 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 2: That would be like you mail back in your ballot, 345 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 2: but the ballot that you mail in, it's never folded 346 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 2: or creased. How'd you get in the envelope? If those 347 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: got counted, and particularly if they were absentee ballots, that 348 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: raises probable cost There must be something fishy going on here. 349 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 2: And lastly, e on the day of the deadline to 350 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 2: report the recount results, Fulton County reported a recount holding 351 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: five hundred eleven thousand, three hundred and forty three ballots. 352 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: That seventeen thousand, four hundred and thirty four ballots fewer 353 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: than originally counted. The following day, Fulton County then reported 354 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 2: a total of five hundred twenty seven, nine hundred and 355 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 2: twenty five ballots counted. Where did those come from? 356 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: Now? 357 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: The probable cause affidavit goes on to say if these 358 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: deficiencies were the results of intentional action, that would be 359 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: a violation of federal law, regardless of whether the failure 360 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: to retain records or the deprivation of a fair tabulation 361 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 2: of a vote was outcome determinative for any particular election 362 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 2: or race. In other words, it's not about whether or 363 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 2: not somebody there was enough of these ballots to change 364 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: the outcome of the election. We're looking for or they are. 365 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 2: The FBI is looking for fraud in the tabulation, fraud 366 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 2: in the counting, regardless of whether it's outcome determinative or not. 367 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 2: So that paragraph is what I would call a kill shot. 368 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: This investigation is not going to be derailed by an 369 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: inability to show outcome determinedy fraud. And the casting or 370 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 2: counting of fraudulent votes is in and of itself fraud. 371 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter whether that change the outcome of the 372 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: election or not. In fact, I would go so far 373 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 2: as to say there might not be any fraud at all. Now, 374 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: the affidavit doesn't allege fraud. It alleges that there were 375 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 2: many areas of irregular activity, some of which was observed 376 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: by third parties that has already been rep varded on publicly, 377 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 2: and some that has been admitted to by Fulton County. Now, 378 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 2: if the irregularities were episodes of intentional conduct and there 379 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: was an illegitimate purpose behind them, then you had potential fraud. So, 380 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: without going into details of the allegations involving each, there 381 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 2: are three broad categories of irregularities in the casting, the counting, 382 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 2: and the preserving of the ballots from the election in 383 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty and Fulton County you had one duplicated ballots, 384 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: two you had tabulator tapes, and three you had pristine ballots. 385 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 2: So go back to the affidavit from a minute. The 386 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 2: affidavit says that the FBI did interview investigators for the 387 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 2: Georgia Secretary of State and the Fulton County Elections Director 388 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 2: who took over that office after the twenty twenty election. 389 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: Both attributed problems as the result of non partisan and 390 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 2: unintentional human error. Well, a more significant issue to be 391 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: examined is with tabulator tapes printed out from every single 392 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 2: voting machine. When the machines are closed out at the 393 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 2: end of the election day, that tabulator tape lists the 394 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: total number of votes recorded on that machine, as well 395 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 2: as the total number of the ballots that were counted. 396 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 2: Georgia law requires that tapes from every single machine be 397 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,719 Speaker 2: printed out at the end of the day, signed by 398 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 2: the poll manager with two witnesses. The tabulator tapes from 399 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: every single machine should match the number of ballots cast. 400 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: An expert consultant that was able to review the image 401 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 2: of the tabulator of the tabulator tapes obtained in an 402 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 2: open records request from Fulton County, but only one hundred 403 00:26:55,080 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 2: and thirty eight tabulator tapes were produced with Fulton County admis. Yeah, sorry, 404 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: we just can't produce the others. Wow, why not? That again? 405 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 2: Alone is probable cause for a search warrant to look 406 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 2: at the tapes and find out why and why don't 407 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: you offer a reason? Of those a total of sixteen 408 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: sixteen machines had nearly three hundred and twenty thousand votes 409 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 2: cast on the machines they came from. Now, with less 410 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: than five hundred, five hundred, twenty thousand ballots cast in 411 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: Fulton County in twenty twenty, a bit more than sixty 412 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 2: percent of all votes cast were cast on just sixteen machines. 413 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: That's odd. That's something worth investigating. Go back to August. 414 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 2: After the election August twenty twenty one, the state Election 415 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 2: Board in Georgia appointed a performance review board for Fulton 416 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 2: County's twenty twenty election management. Here was their conclusion of 417 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: their review. This is in the affidavit the board said, 418 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 2: quote Secretary of State investigators who investigated complaints regarding the 419 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: November twenty twenty general election Fulton County elections had similar 420 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: findings to the Seven Hills Strategies report no evidence of fraud, dishonesty, 421 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: or intentional misconduct, but persistent disorganization that made it difficult 422 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: to get to the bottom of certain claims. Our review 423 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: reaches a similar conclusion. We do not see any evidence 424 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: of fraud, intentional misconduct, or large systematic issues that would 425 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 2: have affected the results of the November twenty twenty election. 426 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: So the bottom line is investigators from the Georgia Secretary 427 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: of State, who refused and fought against every effort to 428 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: inspect the ballots, found no evidence of fraud know of 429 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 2: this intentional misconduct. Now that in no way undermines the 430 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: legitimacy of a federal criminal investigation looking into possible violation 431 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 2: of federal election laws. A federal prosecutor comes to the 432 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 2: task with grand jury subpoena power that the Georgia Performance 433 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: Review Board and the Secretary of State. Investigators do not 434 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 2: and did not have the lack of power to compel 435 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 2: their production to documents and to take testimony from witnesses 436 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 2: under oath. The ability to look at communication through both 437 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 2: official channels and personal channels, in other words, email and 438 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: text messages that provides context is claimed by others to 439 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 2: be nonpartisan and intentional human error. That very well might 440 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: be true, but the best place to learn that is 441 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 2: from the testimony of the humans involved themselves. So there's 442 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 2: nothing magically here about a life ballots it would somehow justify 443 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 2: Fulton County's seeming apoplectic response to the FBI taking possession 444 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 2: of those ballots. That's evidence that it may only be 445 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: evidence of ranking competence and not criminality. But guess what, 446 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 2: you don't know that without having an expert examination take 447 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: place independent from anything that has to do anything to 448 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 2: do with Fulton County. But the examination of them might 449 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 2: lead the investigation in different directions. Just because the affidavit's 450 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 2: probable cause is based on only two allegations of possible 451 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 2: criminal misconduct doesn't mean the ballots could not also be 452 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 2: evidenced in some other criminal conduct for which there was 453 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: not probable cause to seek the warrant. In Layman's terms, 454 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 2: you get probable cause, you get the you get the 455 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: affidavit filed, you get the probable cause search warrant, You 456 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: get the ballots. You look for those things that were 457 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 2: in the search warrant. You start looking through them and oh, shazam, 458 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 2: there's something else. The law is very very clear. Once 459 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 2: the evidence was seized and in the lawful possession of 460 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: the FBI, they can look at it for any reason 461 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: they want. They can look at it for any allegation 462 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 2: of fraud, They can look at it for any allegation 463 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: of anything. They can look at the machines, they can 464 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: look at the tabulations, they can look at whatever they 465 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 2: want to look at. Something that heretofore, well, I was 466 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: going to stupid kind of a stupid lawyer works something 467 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 2: that all up until now, the Fulton County Secretary of 468 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: State and the Fulton County Elections Board has been refusing 469 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: to provide that look. Just as a lawyer, I can 470 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 2: tell you that raises my hackles. That causes me to question, 471 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: what are you hiding? Why aren't you just forthright? Why 472 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: why aren't you just voluntarily You know, there's a thing 473 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 2: called chain of custody. And if if you can show 474 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 2: that Fulton County, State of Georgia, has had a good 475 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 2: chain of custody, then you can take that chain of 476 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: custody just like you would in any other criminal case. 477 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 2: And if the FEDS come in, you can now turn 478 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 2: over that chain of custody to the FEDS, who are 479 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: now responsible for all of that information, and you can 480 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 2: take a look at it. What are they hiding, why 481 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 2: are they hiding? Why are the why? Why? And why 482 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 2: is the press? Why is the cabal so apoplectic over? Oh, 483 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: the FBI wants to look at this. Oh, and Dulca 484 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 2: Gabbard showed up, Yes, because if, as we know from 485 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 2: other elections, there was some sort of interference by the 486 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 2: Russians by opposing oh, I don't know, stupid post on Facebook. 487 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 2: Why suddenly do you not want the d and I 488 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: looking at an election when Democrats kept screaming about foreign 489 00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 2: interference before precisely within the purview of the d am 490 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 2: I