WEBVTT - 11-27-25 Steve Hawkins in for Thom Brennaman 0:00:00.560 --> 0:00:03.200 All right to say too nine on seven hundred wl W. 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:07.440 Steve Hawkins in for Tom Brenneman on Thanksgiving morning. Time 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:11.440 to talk with Gary Sullivan at home with Gary Sullivan 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:14.520 on fifty five KR see nine o'clock every Saturday and 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:15.480 Sunday morning. 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:17.599 Good morning, Gary, How are you going? 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:18.480 Stay fine? 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:20.239 How are you good? Thanks for joining us. 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.680 You're always here on Thursdays with Tom Burnaman, even on Thanksgiving. 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:25.000 I like, here you go, there you go. 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:29.000 You need a company, didn't you? Absolutely been here by myself, 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:31.600 me and Dave Keaton all morning long, and there you go. 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:33.360 I joined the party. There you go. 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:35.600 I'm gonna ask you a question about how not to 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.159 clog up the kitchen sink on Thanksgiving in a second. 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.159 But the wind was really blowing yesterday and got some 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:43.879 drafts around your home and my home and everything. 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:44.599 What's going on here? 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.080 You know what yesterday with all that wind was really 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.320 I hope people paid attention to their homes because you know, 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.680 with thirty mile an hour winds, you find where all 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.240 the leaks are around the doors, around the windows, under 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.200 the doors. You know, it's really drafted. But one place 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.480 a lot of people don't really think about I don't know. 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:05.000 Do you have a little i'll call it an escape 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.520 patch into the attic. Maybe it's in a closet, maybe 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:11.280 it's in a hall. You know, really what that is 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.959 is a piece of plywood about five aces of an 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.319 inch thick, and it sits on a little rail wood 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.440 up there, and you know it's not weather tight at all, 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:23.280 and of course the wind's blowing through the soft events 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.520 and the gable vents, and that draft can really come 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.480 right into the house and mess up the temperature on 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.039 the first floor or upstairs. So we can weather strip 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.720 that if you take that piece of plywood down and 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.800 get yourself a piece of maybe two inch thick foam, 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:44.120 cut it little contractor's cement up there sticking on the 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.480 back of that board, and put it back in place, 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.880 and that'll insulate that board. And then for where it 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.640 sits on that ledge, what I do is I get 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:59.440 a piece of plexiglass, and on that plexiglass I will 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.280 get some of the foam weather stripping. I'm sure you've 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:04.480 seen it in hardware store. It's self sticking, so it's 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.560 really easy to do. And then drill just four holes, 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:12.360 one on each corner, and screw it. Right into the 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:17.239 trim molding of that escape hatch. I'll called again, Yeah, 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.960 I'm sure it's calling attic door, come to think of it, 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.079 and compress that weather stripping up there, and then you've 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.760 got you've got an insulated area. And I'll tell you what, 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.000 it makes such a huge difference. I'm sure if people 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.240 paid attention to what that door was and it's not 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:35.440 enslaved yesterday and that wind was haling, I'm sure it's 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.280 almost drumming to a degree. Wow. So you can cut 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.040 down a lot of air that infiltrates the home. And 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:45.280 of course then your furnace that's going, it can't satisfy 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.160 the thermostats, so it just keeps going and got wow, 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:48.520 get on. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.400 Then you get the bill in you crab. 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:51.520 So let's do that. 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.040 Absolutely, you can do it to more stuff like the 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:55.880 entry door, also in the garage door. 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.520 Sure in the entry door. You know, we all know 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.280 about weather stripping. If you had a house for a 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.120 few years, you've probably added weather stripping. But areas that 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:06.799 are forgotten is at the bottom of the door. I mean, 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.160 we do the tops, we do the sides, but at 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.320 the bottom of the door, where the threshold is there's 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:15.680 you know, the modern thresholds are usually aluminum or wood, 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.520 and they have a little vinyl seal that slides in, 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.320 which is good for about five years. Yeah, you know, 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.120 it gets cold, it gets worn on, people walk on it, 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.480 and it splits and everybody just ignores it. And then 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:30.280 when you get a real windy day, the winds rushing 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.240 that cold air right in the bottom of the door. 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:36.080 So replace that seal, pull it out. There's about six 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:40.120 seven different types of configurations. Take a little snippet of it, 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.200 take to the hardware store. They just literally just slide 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:47.000 right in and slide out. If there's a little you know, 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.880 settling that's taking place and there's still a little gap, 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.400 you can change out to the threshold. Or you can 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.640 put what they call a door sweep on, which is 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:58.960 a piece of aluminum, usually about an inch, and then 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.160 there's a vinyl that goes on the bottom of that 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:04.720 that just is a sweep. It just sets up against 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.200 the threshold again. Or you can just throw an old 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:08.840 rug up against it. That's what we used to do 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:09.600 when I was a kid. 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.520 Now you're talking about doors, what about our windows. 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:15.320 Here's something I bet a lot of people don't know, 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.080 you know, we hear all the advertisements on replacement windows, 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.520 and that's a great investment for a home. It really 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.600 makes a huge, huge difference. But you know that's not 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:30.200 in everybody's budget. There's other priorities that have to come first. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.520 So here's what you do. You've seen the little plastic 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:39.720 storm window kits. They work fine, but before you use that, 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.680 there is a calking called peel Away. And whether you 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.040 have casement windows that are steelcase windows where the windows 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.360 close on a bar just steal no, no, you know 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.800 weather stripping at all, or a double hung window and 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.680 that weather stripping is long gone. The window goes up 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.960 and down where those windows meet, there's a gap and 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.719 again like yesterday, paying attention, stand in front of that window. 0:05:06.480 --> 0:05:09.359 You could you could feel I'm sure the air rushing in. 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:12.120 So you get a product called peel Away. You can 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.400 calk the window closed so you can put it right 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.360 where those windows meet. If it's the case may put 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.800 it along the bar it dries clear. If it's a 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.359 double hung you can put it again the where the 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.200 windows meet each other, and also the sides if there's 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.520 a draft there, and then you can put the plastic 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:34.680 storm window cover over the window, which is a plastic 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.839 creates a little dead air space. Again, great insulator, come march, 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:44.480 pull the plastic down in that calocking. It's called peel away, 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:46.120 and you just peel it away. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:51.159 And also I guess just in general, insulating your home better. 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.720 Yeah, I wonder how many homes are really under insulate. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.760 I always preach everybody. Not everybody can get in their attic, 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.400 but you know you've got family over to day, nobody's 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.720 been in that agg for a walk kit a ladder. Say, hey, 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:04.200 would you do me a favor and just go up 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.200 with that yardstick and just see how much insulation I have. Yeah, 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:09.080 on the floor of the attic, you should in this 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.200 area probably have somewhere between fifteen and eighteen inches. 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:13.000 That's what we need. 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.400 Whether it's blown in, whether it's batting whatever, that's how 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:20.400 much you need to really come up to the recommendations 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:26.479 of the of the EPA. And I mentioned there's so 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.840 many homes of just five six, seventy eight inches of insulation. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.440 You're just throwing that money away. And older homes before 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:36.880 seventy five, you know those walls, there's no insulation in those. 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.040 You can have that done it'll probably pay for itself 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.920 in about four or five years by having somebody actually 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:46.520 pump a foam into those walls. It may not be 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:50.880 in our R forty two, but you'll cut that draft out. 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.719 You'll cut that air infiltration, which is also a big 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:54.440 part of the game. 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.480 Okay, one final question. Gary Sullivan a host of At 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.960 Home with Gary Sullivan on Saturday and Sundays and fifty 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.080 five KRC in the morning. There people are cooking today. 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.920 They got grease, they got leftovers, they got turkey dripping. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.760 What is the number one mistake or the number one 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.720 no no, if you're in the kitchen today, not to 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:15.520 stop up the drain and stuff. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:21.360 Don't host Oh too late for that. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:21.840 You know. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.040 One of the busiest days, in fact, the busiest day 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:28.600 for plumbers is tomorrow. Okay, So you're spot on, and 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.360 a lot of it is we look at that disposal, 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.320 you can't really see it. We love it, you know, 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.360 we just scrape stuff down there. It just disappears in 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.560 no problems. Well, you know that's that's for cleaning plates. 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.920 If you're peeling twenty five potatoes and I've seen it. 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.240 Oh and people are just stuffing that stuff down there. 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:51.000 And you're gonna clog it up. Anything that's fibrous of 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:56.640 quantity or starchy of quantity. So that's celery rice stuffing. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:07:59.800 Just don't do it. Don't do it. 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:00.600 Don't do it. 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:02.880 It's gonna clog off. What's gonna happen? Really, there's a 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.640 circle breaker button on that disposal. I don't know if 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.800 you've ever tripped yours. No, but all of a sudden, 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.920 the disposal just shuts off. Okay, I thought, excuse me, well, 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:16.280 you can reset those if you get underneath. Well, first 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:17.960 of all, you'll have to free up the blades. There's 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:21.000 two blades in there, and when you bought that, it 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:22.360 came with a big Allen Wrencher. 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.920 We can go into the bottom of the disposal. There's 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:25.920 a nice little outlet. 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.040 You just stick that Allen Wrencher, start wiggling around, get 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.439 those blades moving, and once you free them up a 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.080 little bit, there's a little red button. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:38.520 Just press that in up again. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:42.120 Gary, thanks so much for joining us on Thanksgiving, spending 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.200 some of your time with us, and we'll talk to 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:47.319 you next Thursday with Tom. Okay, I have a great Thanksgiving, Steve, 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.800 all right, you too, Gary Sullivan at home every Saturday 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:54.480 and Sunday morning. The nine First Warning Weather Forecast Center 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:58.280 says it is a mixture of clouds and sunshine, windy 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.920 Thanksgiving today on the High three eight. It's twenty nine 0:09:01.960 --> 0:09:04.680 around the tri State at your severe weather station News 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.920 Radio seven hundred WLW. What are you doing wrong with 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.160 your turkey? We're gonna find out next. We're gonna call 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:18.720 the Butterball Turkey Hotline talk Thanks you Freshman the Butterball 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:22.679 Turkey talk Line Expert. Hey, Happy Thanksgiving. Thanks for joining 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:23.320 us this morning. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.240 Hey, my pleasure, Thanks Steve, and happy Thankgiving you and 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:28.040 all of your listeners. 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:28.679 Thank you. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.959 I've already got my butterball and it's all thought out, 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:34.200 ready to go. I was I guess my first question 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.840 is is it too late this morning, on Thanksgiving morning 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.760 to thaw out the turkey for today? 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:43.560 Well, it depends when you want to put an the oven. 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.280 If it is rock solid frozen, you're gonna have to 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.199 soak it in cold water. You're gonna keep it the 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.560 original wrapper. You're gonna put it in the sink, thround 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.160 it with cold water. Change that water every thirty minutes. 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.560 It's some of your fastest quickest way to defrost the turkey. 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.679 It takes thirty minutes per so if you have any 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:03.520 time to do that, I would recommend doing that now. 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.200 So get going and get going on all the fixings 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:10.480 and everything else. Are there things that people are that 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.240 are up early cook this morning? Is there like one 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:17.559 thing that everybody is doing wrong that they could do better? 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.120 Well? One tip I always give all the callers is 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.920 just make sure you use that meat thermometer. It just 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.360 takes the guesswork out of knowing when your turkey is done, 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.240 because we get a lot of call things. How do 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.160 I know if my turkey's done? Or should I take 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:35.000 it out? Now that meat thermometer one seventy in the 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.559 breast and the sigh, You know your turkey's done. Remove 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.320 it from the oven and done? 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:39.920 All right? 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.080 Are you gonna throw some stuff in the turkey? Does 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:43.920 it take longer to cook or is it about the 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:44.480 same time? 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:47.680 It Sure does. It's going to take longer to cook. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.640 So for example, if you've a ten to eighteen pound turkey, 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.600 it's going to take about thirty minutes longer to roast 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.640 than if it was on stuffed. Again, use that meat thermometer. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.600 The center of that stuffing should reach one sixty five 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.079 stuff turkey right before you put any of it there. 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.360 Talking to Sue Smith, the butt Off Turkey talk Line expert, 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.320 You guys have been doing this for many, many years, right. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:11.920 We have forty four years we have been talking turkey here. 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:15.320 And what are some of the craziest questions you guys 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:16.880 have been asked over the years. 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:18.880 We do. 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.440 I've been talking turkey personally for twenty six years, So 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:24.000 you do. You get a lot of fun callers. You know, 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:26.280 We've had this one call. It's so cute. She was 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.080 come from Colorado. It was cold there. She had her turkey, 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.840 you know, outside storing, which is great, is below forty degrees. 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:34.600 It was in a cooler. She had all of her 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:37.840 family were a couple days before and the grandkids were like, haha, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.000 let's hide this turkey and grandma. So they moved it. 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.920 And then they got a big snowstorm. So she went 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:45.800 out to get her turkey and she's like, I can't 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.400 find my turkey. Help, what am I going to do today? 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.840 So we recommend a fresh turkey. But those grandkids were 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:55.280 instructed to go out immediately and try to find that turkey, 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:58.080 and he did find it, so she was lucky. But 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.200 we had a lot of fun calls here, all right. 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.680 That's what is there a favorite that you have besides 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:04.080 that one? 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:07.960 You know, a dad call too, I have twin boys. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.120 He had twin boys. He was on setting the boys, 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.600 the bath song, your Turkey, a few other duties for 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.920 that Thanksgiving day he called. I hear all the cap 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.480 in the background and like, so I'm funny. He's like, well, 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.120 I got turkey thowing. I got my boys in the bathtub. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:25.640 All three of them are just you know, playing meshing around. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.160 It's like, how long is this turkey's been to take? 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:29.959 And I couldn't help but laughing. You don't want to 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.400 keep turkey in its own cold water bath in the 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.040 kitchen thing. But you know he was just trying to 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:35.920 get it all done at once. 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.080 There you go, Butterball Turkey Talk Line. How many calls 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.120 do you guys get on average each year? 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:42.959 Oh? 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.600 God, we'll take you know, so many calls. Since we've 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.280 been open since nineteen eighty one, we've assisted millions of 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.760 body hosts. You know, it's our busy day day. Of course, 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:55.640 in the background, we have over fifty experts taking the calls, 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.000 answering the texts, emails and chats. It's the most fun 0:12:59.040 --> 0:12:59.560 day to work. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.440 Do you give people recipe ideas like how to make 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:04.560 green meat castle? 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.240 Also, you know we can help. Yeah, we try to 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.160 help with the entire meal if we can. There's great 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:15.040 recipes at butterball dot com too to help with some ideas. 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:16.600 But yeah, if we can help me, sure will. 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:21.160 All right, Sue Smith, Butterball Turkey talk line expert. This morning, 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:23.480 you said, butterball dot com. How do we call you 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:24.679 guys and talk to you this morning? 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:27.559 Yeah, give us a call here at one eight hundred 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.400 butter Ball. We're here from six am to six pm. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.679 That's single time again, over fifty of us here taking 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:35.520 those calls, who are happy to answer any of your 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:36.200 key questions. 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.040 All right, Sue, I'm going to call you in next 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:39.679 Thanksgiving Day. 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:41.760 All right, look forward to it. Thank so much. 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:44.640 You're welcome. It's coming up. An eight twenty five. The 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:50.480 Bengals two day Report with Mowen Rocky is next. Seven 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:55.320 Pocus here this morning, talking to you lot AfOR regular 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:57.040 fry this morning. 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.360 Hey Gregory, thanks for joining us this morning. 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.319 Hey Hey Steve, thanks for having me. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:05.920 No problem. I wanted to talk about the book that 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.960 you've released. It's called Conquering the Hill. The Remarkable Journey 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.200 to the Greatest Gridiron victory in Cincinnati Public Schools History. 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:17.160 I've had a great time reading about this book. I mean, 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:21.200 we've got the Thanksgiving parade, We've got the excuse me, yeah, 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.200 that's the one in the well over in Price Hill. 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.800 We've got the big race going on. But there used 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.360 to be maybe the biggest football game of the year 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.960 played on Thanksgiving Day in this town for the better 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:36.480 part of fifty years, wasn't there? 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:42.160 That's correct? This week they actually they actually called it 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:46.479 Cincinnati's Bowl Game, and I didn't coin that free. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:50.000 Did this go on like nineteen what was it, twenty 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:52.480 eight to seventy eight, something like. 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:57.560 That, nineteen twenty nine, the nineteen seventy eight. 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.360 And if I'm not mistaken, one year they had twenty 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.520 thousand people at Riverfront Stadium watching the game. 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.680 Oh, there were a few years it got too big 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:13.280 for Elder Stadium, which holds about ten to eleven thousand. 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:19.440 In the final year they had like fourteen thousand. I 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.720 was at that game. I was in seventh grade and 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:26.160 it was just a Sea of Humanity, So they moved 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:30.160 it down to Riverfront beginning in nineteen seventy three. In 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.360 the first year, they had the delayed the start of 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.760 the game thirty minutes to get all the walk up traffic, 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.560 and they had almost twenty five thousand people there. 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:39.560 Wow. 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.800 I mean, I think of high school football in this town. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:45.960 I think of Friday nights. I don't think of Thanksgiving Day. 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.160 How did this game get started in the greater Cincinnati 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.160 area played on Thanksgiving Day? 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.680 Well? Elder was founded in like nineteen twenty two, West 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:01.200 High in nineteen twenty eight. We had our first team 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.840 in nineteen twenty eight. They sometime between the end of 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:10.520 the twenty eight season and nineteen twenty nine season, the 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:14.080 powers that be said, we ought to have a ought 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.680 to have a game. We ought to play. Elder previously 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:22.280 had been having an alumni game with former players in 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:27.040 their team on Thanksgiving Day. I can only assume that 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:31.000 they thought, you know, why not do this on Thanksgiving 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:35.440 Day school Neither school had a stadium to speak of, 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:40.800 so they decided to have it at Crossley Field down 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:46.280 in Queensgate and it's just kind of mushroom from there. 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:52.320 But the interesting thing about that game is the stock 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:57.160 market crash occurred like almost to the day, a month 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:02.120 a month prior to that, but not to be deterred, 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.959 they went on with the game. They even had a 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.800 parade from Shivat all the way down to the you 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:13.000 know down there to the west end down at Queens 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.359 game where Crosley Field was. At the time it was 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:19.360 known as Redland Field. But me they played the first 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.359 six of these games down at Crosley Field. 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:23.080 Wow. 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.320 By the third year they had five thousand, over five 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:31.359 thousand at the game, and which at that time for 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:35.199 a high school game was you know, fairly enormous crowd. 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.240 And it's like I said, it just got bigger and 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:43.400 bigger from there it became this this tradition, this Bowl game, 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:44.880 like I said, so to speak. 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.080 I mean it went through I guess World War two, 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:53.520 of the sixties, the seventies, and it ended in nineteen 0:17:53.600 --> 0:17:56.280 seventy eight. We're talking about the Elder West High football 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:58.520 game that was played on Thanksgiving Day in this town. 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:02.560 What happened after fifty years that Elder and West Hide 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.240 decided not to play on Thanksgiving Day anymore. 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:11.000 Well, it was more engineered by the state, by the OHSAA, 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:15.800 the Ohio High School Athletic Association at the time. Well, 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.520 first of all, there weren't even any playoffs until nineteen 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:23.840 seventy two. When those were instituted. In nineteen seventy two, 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:28.160 only one team from one of four regions, the one 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.919 team and our region being from southwest Ohio, would go 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:36.280 to the state playoffs. So you were automatically if you 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:40.000 had the most computer points, you were automatically in the 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:44.000 final four right away, which that was the upside. The 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:48.000 ub side was, you know, you'd have multiple teams that 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:54.600 would get excluded the state. Finally, the State Athletic Association 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:59.239 decided in nineteen eighty they were going to expand that 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:03.520 to two teams from each region eight teams total from 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.680 the States, so they had to they had to move 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:13.000 the season up a week, so instead of everybody's season 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.560 ending in November early November, it was going to end 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:21.840 at the end of October two playoff rounds, and it 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:27.000 just became untenable when you're going to have more teams 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.879 possibly in an elder head on three occasions finished second 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:38.160 in the region. So they, of course, you know, we're 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:42.600 looking to possibly you know, have to decide between playoffs 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:46.720 and Thanksgiving football, and it just kind of that led 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:47.879 to the demise of it. 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:52.680 Basically well, local author Gregory Frye. The book is called 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:56.240 Conquering the Hill, the story I guess about Elder and 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.440 West High playing on Thanksgiving Day in this town. Thank 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.159 you for your time this morning. It's been my favorite 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.199 book to read this year. How do we get the book? 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.159 You can get it one of two ways. Either you 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:14.159 can order it online through the publisher, Orangefraser dot com. 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.520 That's all one word and it's Fraser f R a 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:21.280 z R So Orange f R a z r dot com. 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:26.040 Or I've made the rounds at all the local independent bookstores, 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:31.080 so they either have it or they either purchase it 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.280 out right from me, or they have it on consignment, 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.760 or if they don't have it, they know about it. 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.199 If you don't want to, if you want to, just 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:39.880 ask them to order it in for you. 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:42.800 You can do that, all right, Hey, Gregory Fright, thanks 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.240 for your time this morning. I appreciate it, and good 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:46.040 luck with the book. 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:51.160 Hey, thank you, Steven. Happy Thanksgiving all right you too. 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.040 It's eight forty seven. Do yourself a favor. 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:56.520 If you've got an Elder of West Hio, Western Side 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.639 of Town person, a price tal person, a Cincinnati person, 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:01.680 that it's the book to get them for the holidays. 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:05.399 Conquering the Hill. It's a great read and stuff. I 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:09.560