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Speaker 3: Hi, Hello and welcome in to Tony Pikes Sincy three

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Speaker 3: sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. My name is Austin Ellmore.

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Speaker 3: I'm not Tony Pike. The big fella is out today.

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Speaker 3: He'll be back tomorrow. Looking forward to a Friday football frenzy,

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Speaker 3: one of our final ones of the year as we

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Speaker 3: reached the final three weeks of the NFL regular season.

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Speaker 3: Bengals are on the road at Miami this weekend. And

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Speaker 3: while there's there's not really a lot to talk about

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Speaker 3: when it comes to the x's and the o's and

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Speaker 3: the execution of the game and how you know, game

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Speaker 3: plans are formulated and what the strategy might be against

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Speaker 3: that's lost on a lot of people now with the

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Speaker 3: think both organizations are now into evaluation mode, and I

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Speaker 3: think for the Bengals, it's more about what do we

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Speaker 3: learn about this team that can be applied to the

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Speaker 3: offseason and applied to future Bengals teams. I think that's

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Speaker 3: what the rest of this season is about. So when

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Speaker 3: it comes to what's actually going to happen on the field,

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Speaker 3: as long as Joe Burrow doesn't get hurt, as long

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Speaker 3: as the Bengals don't get embarrassed, I think that's kind

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Speaker 3: I'll be watching on Sunday. I look forward to it.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk a lot about what Joe Burrow had to

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Speaker 3: say yesterday, including in this first segment. You'll hear from

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Speaker 3: the Bengals quarterback. You're gonna hear from him throughout the

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Speaker 3: show because he spoke for twenty minutes yesterday about a

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Speaker 3: future of Joe Burrow. We'll talk about that as well,

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Speaker 3: coming up in football in the Natty, and we'll talk

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Speaker 3: in particular in exchange that he had yesterday with a

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Speaker 3: reporter about his contract. That's all coming up in just

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Speaker 3: a minute, but our typical Thursday show, we'll talk to

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Speaker 3: John Sheeran from A to Z Sports covering the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Wrote a great piece today that really centers around my

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Speaker 3: number one topic, which is this offseason. I do think

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Speaker 3: the Bengals are closer than we think. I'll explain why

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Speaker 3: one o'clock. We'll have our talkbacks as we normally do

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Speaker 3: at one twenty. At two o'clock, Keegan Nickoson from Bearcatjournal

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Speaker 3: dot com will join us. I've got questions about how

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Speaker 3: here with the bear Cat football program. They've made a

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Speaker 3: all of that. We'll do a college basketball whip around.

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Speaker 3: Moegar this afternoon from three to six. Chad will stop

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Speaker 3: What happened last night, though, Well, let's start with the

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Speaker 3: college hoops. The Bearcats beat Alabama State eighty eight fifty

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Speaker 3: one at Fifth Third Arena. Big night from Bob. Bob

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Speaker 3: You'll hear from Richard Patino later on in the show.

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Speaker 3: Other college sports news, Ohio University fired their head coach

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Speaker 3: a new head football coach. Coming up tonight Thursday night football, huge,

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Speaker 3: whether it's Zach Taylor getting fired or Duke Tobin getting

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Speaker 3: Nobody would have said a word about it then. Instead

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Speaker 3: I don't know that it should. If you're underperforming, you're underperforming.

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Speaker 3: If you're the reason the team is losing, you're the

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Speaker 3: he's played a role in it. It's harder to justify

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Speaker 3: Why is that hard for Zach Taylor to admit? I

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Speaker 7: You don't get a chance to talk to ownership or

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Speaker 4: What kind of assurances have you been given from Hong?

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Speaker 7: We just talk every week.

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Speaker 4: Every week you've talked about your contractor.

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Speaker 7: Every week we talk about everything.

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Speaker 4: When was the last time spoken about your contract?

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Speaker 7: And sass, that's not really part of our conversation. It's

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Speaker 7: I know that's of curiosity to you guys, but we're

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Speaker 7: just focused on being the Dolphins. Fair to say that's

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Speaker 4: I'm just being straightforward with that.

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Speaker 3: I didn't love that those questions came because Zach denied

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Speaker 3: new head coach, might be with a new quarterback.

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Speaker 5: No Tyreek Hill. More than likely.

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Speaker 3: They're also going to play an NFC East team who

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Speaker 3: finishes in third place. That's more than likely going to

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Speaker 3: be the Commanders. That team is gonna be dealing with

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Speaker 3: a lot of turnover. They have to go to Houston,

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Speaker 3: not gonna be easy. They got to go to Indianapolis,

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Speaker 3: probably not gonna be easy. They traveled to Atlanta and

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Speaker 3: Carolina and the rest of the AFC North. That is

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Speaker 3: not a schedule that has you struggling to find wins.

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Speaker 3: If you do what you're supposed to do in the

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Speaker 3: offseason to supplement your roster and build around your quarterback,

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Speaker 3: it's not that crazy. I'm not trying to be the

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Speaker 3: glass half fool guy. I'm not trying to do this

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Speaker 3: is truly what I feel. If you spend the money

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Speaker 3: the way you're supposed to, if you're aggressive in hunting

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Speaker 3: down the pieces that you need, and if you can

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Speaker 3: do anything about your process when it comes to drafting.

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Speaker 3: That gets you back closer to what you did in

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty draft and in the twenty one draft.

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Speaker 3: You will be competitive in this conference again next year,

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Speaker 3: so long as everybody stays healthy, and that's a big

456
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Speaker 3: if across the entire National Football League. But to act

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Speaker 3: as if the Bengals are so far away, I simply

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Speaker 3: don't believe that, and all the other nonsense around this

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Speaker 3: organization right now, I think is distracting us from the

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Speaker 3: fact that, like, oh yeah, they really could be good,

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Speaker 3: sooner rather than later. They don't have to strip this

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Speaker 3: thing down. We'll talk next segment about this Burrow conversation

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Speaker 3: and Carson Palmer and Andrew Luck and all this other hogwash.

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Speaker 3: It's it's people that aren't really looking at the bones

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Speaker 3: of the operation here and saying, Okay, how can they

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Speaker 3: actually get back to being good? What are the changes

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Speaker 3: that can be made? That's what I'd like to know.

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Speaker 3: We'll take a break, we'll come back. This is Tony Pike.

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Speaker 3: Since he three to sixty on ESPN.

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Speaker 1: Fifteen thirty, you've been listening to Football in the NATTI

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Speaker 1: on ESPN fifteen thirty. The official home of the Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: Bengalsteen thirty.

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Speaker 11: Jada Thomas into the left corner for Celestie under the.

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Speaker 12: Hoop bounce pass from Zella to Baba Ed Miller dumps

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Speaker 12: it and again.

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Speaker 13: There Baba Miller out here playing with little bitty boys

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Speaker 13: out here.

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Speaker 2: He's just he's like.

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Speaker 13: A big breath from the backyard right now.

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Speaker 4: Just throw it in there as you can't stop.

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Speaker 3: Dan Horde Steve Logan on the call last night as

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Speaker 3: the Bearcats whoop up on Alabama State at fifth third Arena.

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Speaker 3: More on that coming up later on in our number three.

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Speaker 3: Baba went cuckoo with twenty six points fourteen boards for

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Speaker 3: U se Uh in that game last night. We'll hear

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Speaker 3: from Kegan nickoson at two o'clock. He was there covering

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Speaker 3: the game and the return of Gisel James. That's coming

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Speaker 3: up later on in the show. I want to get

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Speaker 3: to uh, the Joe Burrow conversation and the national media

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Speaker 3: fanning the flames on such a thing in a moment.

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Speaker 3: But first let's go to the phones five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. Let's go to Fort Thomas and talk to Brian. Brian,

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Speaker 3: what's up, hi?

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Speaker 14: Audie. I agree about about them having a chance to

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Speaker 14: turn it around. NFL is the most competitively, the most

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Speaker 14: evenly matched in in the United States, so it's not

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Speaker 14: it's not unheard of to come back and you know,

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Speaker 14: change things around very quickly. As look at Denver. Denver

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Speaker 14: was garbage two years ago. Right now they probably one

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Speaker 14: of the favorite Super Bowl And I think as a fan,

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Speaker 14: I'm not as freshly about this year. I'm more flusher

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Speaker 14: about last year. Like last year was just a wasting

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Speaker 14: opportunity and like Joe got a freak injury this this year,

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Speaker 14: sure got hurt, team played terrible, whatever, But last year,

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Speaker 14: like if they would have went on a you know,

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Speaker 14: a playoff, made the playoffs and won a couple of games,

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Speaker 14: just wouldn't be as upsetting as a fan. But I

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Speaker 14: feel like we're just we'll it's just being wasted right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point, and that's I think that season.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if if we get to this the end

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Speaker 3: of this thing and we never see the Bengals get

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Speaker 3: back to you know that that level of contending in

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Speaker 3: the AFC, We're gonna look back on the twenty four

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Speaker 3: season and think, golly, what could have been with the

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Speaker 3: season like that with Joe and Jamar and they just

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Speaker 3: didn't do enough to follow it up in the offseason.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's it's and so it's I think as a fan,

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Speaker 14: I think we're at least me personally, I'm just I'm

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Speaker 14: just frustrating. Just I want to have a chance to win.

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Speaker 14: And in the NFL, if you got a quarterback, which

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Speaker 14: everybody knows we do, yeah, you can win.

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Speaker 15: You can win. You can win it all.

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Speaker 14: And that's you know, we just were dying to win.

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Speaker 14: We want a parade. That's that's it. This whole city

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Speaker 14: just wants the parade.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm right there with you, Brian. Thank you for

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Speaker 3: the phone call. And you know, you bring up a

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Speaker 3: good point. It's actually kind of a good segue. Part

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Speaker 3: of the reason why things went south between Carson Palmer

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Speaker 3: and Mike Brown was because Carson did not believe that

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Speaker 3: Mike was committed to exhausting every avenue to make the

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Speaker 3: team better, to turn it into a championship contender. And

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Speaker 3: I think before we get into this conversation, I would

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Speaker 3: like to note I am not comparing Carson Palmer to

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow. Joe is the best quarterback I think that's

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Speaker 3: ever played for the Bengals. I think he is the

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Speaker 3: most talented quarterback that's ever played for the Bengals. And

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Speaker 3: I think he has a very different personality than that

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Speaker 3: of Carson Palmer. I think he's a much better player

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Speaker 3: than Carson Palmer. And this with Carson all happened fifteen

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Speaker 3: years ago. It's a lot different world now than it

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Speaker 3: was then. But the fundamental disagreement between Mike Brown and

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Speaker 3: Carson Palmer was that they weren't doing enough to compete

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Speaker 3: for a Super Bowl and Carson it just didn't sit

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Speaker 3: well with Carson. He felt like the Bengals could be

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Speaker 3: doing so much more than they've done. The Bengals have

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Speaker 3: changed a lot since then, and they have been more aggressive,

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Speaker 3: they have spent more money, They have evolved so much

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Speaker 3: more than I think a lot of people are willing

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Speaker 3: to give them credit for. And I don't think that

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Speaker 3: the place they're at right now with Joe Burrow is

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Speaker 3: even remotely close to where they were at with Carson Palmer.

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to compare the two situations. What I'm

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Speaker 3: trying to explain is this thing with Burrow. To me,

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Speaker 3: when you go back to his press conference last week,

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Speaker 3: to all the conversation this week, all of it. The

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Speaker 3: flames are being fanned by the national media. They're pouring

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Speaker 3: gasoline on the fire. The reason it's happening is because

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Speaker 3: there's precedent. The precedent has a direct impact on the narrative.

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Speaker 3: If the Carson Palmer and Mike Brown thing had never happened,

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Speaker 3: this wouldn't be a conversation with Joe Burrow wanting to

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Speaker 3: leave the Bengals when they drafted him in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: There was a narrative out there that Joe wouldn't want

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Speaker 3: to play for the organization. That wouldn't have happened if

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Speaker 3: not for the Eli Manning thing that it happened years before.

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Speaker 3: Joe keeps getting injured, and then the Andrew Luck thing

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Speaker 3: gets brought up because we've seen it happen before. Because

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Speaker 3: there is precedent with Palmer and Brown, that leads to

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Speaker 3: people who maybe don't follow this closely, or don't know

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Speaker 3: Joe that much, or don't know exactly what's going on

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Speaker 3: within the organization to try to connect the dots and

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Speaker 3: come up with a hot take to say, Okay, this

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Speaker 3: is what's gonna happen again in Cincinnati, because that's the

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Speaker 3: way the Bengals do business. The Bengals have evolved, maybe

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Speaker 3: not as much as they should, and Joe is not

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Speaker 3: there even close to being the same type of person

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Speaker 3: that Carson Palmer is. But I just want you to

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Speaker 3: know this conversation is happening because of the precedent that

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Speaker 3: was set by the actions of Carson Palmer and Mike

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Speaker 3: Brown previously. That's why this is happening. And I'm not

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Speaker 3: dismissing what Joe has said or the wa that he

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Speaker 3: said it. Now, I stand by my belief that I

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Speaker 3: think last week Joe was having a bad day and

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Speaker 3: it came across that way and people ran with it,

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Speaker 3: and I think that made things worse, and whatever he

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Speaker 3: was going on in his life, clearly he wasn't all

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Speaker 3: the way there on Sunday. Had mental mistakes, had protection mistakes,

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Speaker 3: was not accurate with the football. There's a myriad of

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Speaker 3: reasons why that could happen. I have enough banked memories

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Speaker 3: of Joe Burrow playing over the last six years that

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's gonna happen again. And I don't

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Speaker 3: think there's a trend that's about to start, but I

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Speaker 3: do at least know the way he has talked. He's

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Speaker 3: unhappy with the way the organization has approached last season

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Speaker 3: in this season.

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Speaker 5: And he should be. Every person in that organization should

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Speaker 5: be unhappy with the results of last year and with

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Speaker 5: this year. And I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: Joe, to an extent, and kind of like you heard

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Speaker 3: in that clip in the last segment, wonders how much

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Speaker 3: he can say because of his injuries and feels in

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Speaker 3: a way like he's on the outside looking in. We'll

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Speaker 3: talk more about what Joe said about his opinion being heard,

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Speaker 3: but here's Joe yesterday talking about his future with the Bengals.

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Speaker 5: How much do you love?

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Speaker 9: Like a body ever thought about that, You think about it,

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Speaker 9: but you think about a lot of different things, and

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Speaker 9: in your life, just like everybody does. You think about

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Speaker 9: all different possibilities that could happen. I'm gonna be playing

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Speaker 9: for a long time. I expect to play for a

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Speaker 9: long time, and I expect to play well and consistently

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Speaker 9: great for a long time.

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Speaker 5: So much speculation is there?

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Speaker 4: Ever?

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Speaker 8: Is there any world in your mind where you're not

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Speaker 8: the quarterback of the Bengals next year?

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Speaker 4: I could I couldn't. I can't see that now.

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Speaker 8: I didn't you ever both thought about the possibility of

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Speaker 8: not being the quarterback here.

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Speaker 4: During your career, or.

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Speaker 9: You think about a lot of things, and when you.

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Speaker 8: Look at quarterbacks over the course of their time, great ones,

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Speaker 8: Haydon Brady, do you kind of have to understand that you.

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Speaker 4: Never know what this legal bringing.

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Speaker 5: What did you learn from watching how their career is

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Speaker 5: on fold of time?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, A lot of crazy things happen every year. Michael

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Speaker 9: Parsons got traded right before the right before the season.

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Speaker 4: I think this year.

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Speaker 9: That is a something I haven't seen in a long

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Speaker 9: time in the NFL. So crazy things can happen.

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Speaker 3: Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow, He's right, crazy things can happen

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. But he wants to play for a

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Speaker 3: long time. He expects to play for a long time

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Speaker 3: and at a high level for a long time, and

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Speaker 3: also understands that life in the NFL you never know

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Speaker 3: what's going to happen, which furthers the point that the

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Speaker 3: Bengals should be exhausting every avenue to aggressively pursue a championship.

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Speaker 3: Now again, looking forward at the next couple of years.

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Speaker 3: The opportunity is right there in front of you. You've

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Speaker 3: got the money, you've got the cap space, you've got

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Speaker 3: the quarterback. You don't have any more excuses. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: Tony Pike since E three sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of time here before we talk to

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Speaker 3: John Shearon, a is Z Sports covering the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: This is Tony Pikes since E three to sixty. Let's

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Speaker 3: go to Minneapolis and talk to Charles. Charles, what's on

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Speaker 3: your mind?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 10: How are you just quickly? You know, back on the

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Speaker 10: whole ownership. Being lifelong Bengal fan here, only team ever liked.

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Speaker 10: I know you mentioned earlier about there being president and

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Speaker 10: sort of anchoring it to the Carson Palmer issue, but

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Speaker 10: there's actually precedent beyond that. He was TJ. Housman's job, obviously,

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Speaker 10: you know him was on an interview and he said

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Speaker 10: when he first got the Cincinnati speaking of president, there

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Speaker 10: was no water and gatorade in the locker room.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I mean, so there's precedent for so many things that

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Speaker 10: this team had, hopefully inadequate by any stretch of the magic,

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Speaker 10: by any standard considering themselves to be a professional organization,

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Speaker 10: and as such, we continuously come to this point. There

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Speaker 10: shouldn't even have been a need for Mike Brown to

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Speaker 10: come out and say we're going to do everything we

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Speaker 10: can to sign Joe Duh. Like you know, at the time,

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Speaker 10: he said, why would he need to say these kinds

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Speaker 10: of things. Why because the precedent has always been with

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Speaker 10: this organization that they're awful.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my point. Now, the good thing is they've

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Speaker 3: they've changed. They don't do the stuff that they did

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Speaker 3: twenty years ago when TJ was here. That's all changed, thankfully.

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Speaker 3: But you're right, the precedent has led to the narrative

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Speaker 3: and until you do something to change the narrative, that's

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Speaker 3: what people are going to fall back on and that's

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Speaker 3: their fault.

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Speaker 10: Yes, thank you, thank you for your time, love the show.

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Speaker 5: Charles, thank you man, appreciate it. Thanks for the call.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, without a doubt, until you do something

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Speaker 3: to change the narrative, the narrative is going to exist.

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Speaker 3: It is the unfortunate reality. And the Bengals are often

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Speaker 3: a day late and a dollar short when it comes

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Speaker 3: to doing that. They've made strides, but they're often too late.

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Speaker 3: They were too late and signing Jamar Chase. They cost

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Speaker 3: themselves a lot more money. They were too late in

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Speaker 3: signing t Higgins. They cost themselves a lot more money.

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Speaker 3: They often create bigger headaches for themselves because they're reactive

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Speaker 3: instead of proactive. That's something they need to improve on.

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Speaker 3: This is an off season where you have a chance

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Speaker 3: to do that. You have a chance to say we're

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Speaker 3: going to be proactive in our our pursuit of better

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Speaker 3: defensive players, of changing our draft strategy, of whatever it

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Speaker 3: might be. When we come back, we'll talk to John

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Speaker 3: Sharan covering the Bengals. Eight to Z Sports. This is

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Speaker 3: Tony Pike's Sincy three to sixty on the home of

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Speaker 3: the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 5: Having insurance isn't the same as having state farm.

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Speaker 1: from Cincinnati, sponsored in part by Cincy Shirts.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Hello, welcome in our number two of Tony Pikes

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Speaker 3: since E three to sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 3: My name is Austin Elmore. No big fella today, tone

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Speaker 3: is out. He'll be back tomorrow one hour from right now,

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Speaker 3: we talked to Keegan Nickoson from Bearcat Journal dot com.

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Speaker 3: Keegan just now talking of tweeting about a couple of

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Speaker 3: Bearcat offensive linemen that have decided to come back for

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Speaker 3: next year. We'll get an update on the transfer portal

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Speaker 3: happenings and all that with the Bearcats, what happened last

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Speaker 3: night on the hardwood as well. But right now we

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Speaker 3: keep talking football with a guy that I can't believe

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Speaker 3: I just now thought of this. I'm gonna start calling

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Speaker 3: him this from here on out, Johnny Football. John Sheeran

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Speaker 3: from A to Z Sports covering the Cincinnati Bengals. Hi,

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Speaker 3: Johnny Football, how are you?

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Speaker 6: I feel like we could worshop this kind of the

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Speaker 6: stigma with that name, you know, like you know, someone

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Speaker 6: else had it and he got kind of embarrassed by

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Speaker 6: the Bengals, and I kind of embarrassed the Bengals and

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Speaker 6: said the other way around.

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Speaker 3: So you know, yeah, well you could be the reason

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Speaker 3: for change with the Johnny Football nickname. We'll work on it.

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Speaker 3: We'll work on it. What do you make of the

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Speaker 3: last two weeks of the Joe Burrow narrative about him

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Speaker 3: and his future and not seeing eye to eye with

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Speaker 3: the organization and what he said yesterday and last week

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Speaker 3: sum it all up for me. What's your general feeling

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Speaker 3: and consensus about Joe Burrow in his relationship with the

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Speaker 3: Bengals right now?

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Speaker 6: We love hearing Joe talk because he is very calculated

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Speaker 6: about what he says, and he said that I think

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Speaker 6: forbade him, but typically when he says something of substance,

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Speaker 6: it's because he means it. And also he's just he's

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Speaker 6: just a very smart individual, so he thinks about more

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Speaker 6: than just what is directly in front of him. And

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Speaker 6: of course, you know in the media nowadays, you typically

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Speaker 6: only look at what's right in front of you, and

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Speaker 6: that's what generates the headlines. Right So, when Joe is

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Speaker 6: thinking about a lot of things beyond just the last

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Speaker 6: week or so of football, and it sounds like, oh,

742
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Speaker 6: he's thinking very big picture and it doesn't sound very good,

743
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Speaker 6: it leads to I think a lot of the reactions

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Speaker 6: that we've seen from the past couple of weeks. But

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Speaker 6: I think when you have to try to figure out

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Speaker 6: what is going on in his mind. You have to

747
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Speaker 6: think about every single angle from every single avenue about

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Speaker 6: what everything that is encapsuling what it could possibly be

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Speaker 6: going through his mind right now, which is again coming

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Speaker 6: back none from another injury, and thinking about how long

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Speaker 6: he's capable of playing, how long he wants to play,

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Speaker 6: and how that all of that ambition and planning is

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Speaker 6: being deterred by what has happened over the past handful

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Speaker 6: of months here, all on top of being on a

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Speaker 6: team that, just like he says, is a bad football

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Speaker 6: team that hasn't done enough and needs to continue doing

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Speaker 6: things differently and needs to continue evolving and in his

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Speaker 6: own words, thinking outside the box. So I think it's

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Speaker 6: it's it's everything from just him thinking about his own ability,

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Speaker 6: his own durability, his mortality in the game, but also

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Speaker 6: where he stands with this team and what the team

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Speaker 6: needs to do going forward around him. So it's it's everything.

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Speaker 6: It's not just like, oh, like he's thinking about hanging

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Speaker 6: it up and leaving the Bengals. No, like, there's there's

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Speaker 6: thoughts about that that naturally pop up when you're thinking

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Speaker 6: about your future, shuring your career and everything like that.

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Speaker 6: But I think to boil it down to just one

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Speaker 6: or two things is not doing a justice to someone

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Speaker 6: who clearly thinks about a lot more than that.

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Speaker 5: Do you think he should play the final three games?

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Speaker 6: I think there's a reason too, because of how he

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Speaker 6: played this past week. I think it would be not

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Speaker 6: the greatest for his psyche to enter the off season

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Speaker 6: after just having one of the worst games of his career,

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Speaker 6: especially considering the fact that he just hasn't played that

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Speaker 6: much this year. I think having him giving him the

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Speaker 6: opportunity to at least enter the actual offseason on somewhat

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Speaker 6: of a high note, can be kind of good for him,

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Speaker 6: because if he only played what four or five games

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Speaker 6: this year, and again one of them was terrible and

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Speaker 6: they eliminated him for the playoffs, I would imagine that

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Speaker 6: wouldn't be necessarily the best for his mental health, especially

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Speaker 6: because that's been such top of conversation for over the

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Speaker 6: past ten days or so. So I think it was

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Speaker 6: valuing him playing, and if you want to talk about

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Speaker 6: like draft positioning and keeping him healthy, like he needs

787
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Speaker 6: to prove that he can stay healthy. And I think

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Speaker 6: regardless of whoever's a quarterback for the Bengals. Now they're

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Speaker 6: not a guaranteed the winner lose any of these games

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Speaker 6: just because of the verse of the team around the

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Speaker 6: quarterback position.

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Speaker 3: When you saw the report this week from Paul Dayner

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Speaker 3: Junior that Zach Taylor actually had two years remaining on

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Speaker 3: his deal and that Duke Tobin and Al Golden are

795
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Speaker 3: also unlikely to be let go, what was your reaction

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Speaker 3: and how does that shape your view of this upcoming offseason.

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Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, the Bengals are. They may not be exactly

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Speaker 6: the same organization as they were loose, but they're still

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Speaker 6: the organization that it's not going to fire head coach

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Speaker 6: with two years left of guaranteed salary left on his deal.

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Speaker 6: That it was a complete game changer in my opinion

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Speaker 6: about Zach's job security and the fact that it probably

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Speaker 6: hasn't been questioned at all this year, and that's it's

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Speaker 6: always about the same around, you know, when the Bengals

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Speaker 6: are bad and it's entering December, like, yeah, like maybe

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Speaker 6: there's some conversation about the head coach, but in reality,

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Speaker 6: the front office doesn't really see it like that at

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Speaker 6: this point in time. And that was kind of the

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Speaker 6: sentiment this year, but hearing that in the fact that

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Speaker 6: he has a two years left of guaranteed, like it

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Speaker 6: doesn't matter, Like he could be coaching somewhere else in

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty seven, the Bengals would still to be paying

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Speaker 6: him the salary that they owe him and that they

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Speaker 6: gave him. I guess under the table, and I don't like. Again,

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Speaker 6: it's not standard practice for teams to officially announce these contracts.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes it does kind of go under the radar. An

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Speaker 6: example brought to me, brought to my attention over the

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Speaker 6: past couple days, the Green Bay Packers extended Matteli Sluer

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Speaker 6: and a GM and their vice president of football operations,

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Speaker 6: but really early in the twenty twenty two offseason, and

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Speaker 6: it didn't get reported on until July, like during their

822
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Speaker 6: annual meeting with the media and everything like that. So

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Speaker 6: sometimes it does happen. But again, like if you're the

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Speaker 6: Bengals and you just came off with back to back games,

825
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Speaker 6: the championship games, the sentiment of rounds that kid was

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Speaker 6: so high. Yeah, I don't really know why they wouldn't announce,

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Speaker 6: whether it was a separate five year extension or just

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Speaker 6: a one year extension. On top of the five year

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Speaker 6: contract that he signed in twenty twenty two. It doesn't

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Speaker 6: make a lot of sense to me why they kept

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Speaker 6: that a secret, and I can't imagine that because they've

832
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Speaker 6: had the last three years unfolded. Maybe it was their

833
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Speaker 6: best interest and I let that be known, But it

834
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Speaker 6: definitely did change how I view like, what's going to

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Speaker 6: happen in this obvious because again, I just don't think

836
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Speaker 6: we're going to fire head coach with two years left

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Speaker 6: on the deal.

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Speaker 5: What did you make of the way Zach talked about

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Speaker 5: it yesterday and not wanting to talk about.

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Speaker 6: It and he can say that it's going to make

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Speaker 6: any of the situation better. I understand him saying like,

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to comment on it because he wants

843
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Speaker 6: to continue the solution that like, oh, like I'm coaching

844
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Speaker 6: for my job. We know you're not man like it

845
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Speaker 6: is what it is like, That's just not how this

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Speaker 6: organization goes. And I appreciate the media for still pushing

847
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Speaker 6: it regardless, because at the end of the day, he

848
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 6: is again the only vessel of information that we can

849
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 6: that we can garner any information from with this organization

850
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Speaker 6: because the other powers that be are silent for three

851
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Speaker 6: hundred and sixty three days of the year, And yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's unfortunate that we can't that any one in the

853
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 6: media can't talk to the people who actually employ Zach

854
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Speaker 6: and everything has to come through him, And it was

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Speaker 6: kind of a weird Chippy responds to me like, oh,

856
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 6: I'm sorry that you can't talk to them, Like, yeah, dude,

857
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Speaker 6: like it is unfortunate, but that's the problem with the

858
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 6: live transparency with this organization, And yeah, it does. It

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Speaker 6: is unfortunate that Zach is being put into the situation.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes there is a lot of responsibility that he has

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Speaker 6: with that coach and this doesn't seem like something that

862
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Speaker 6: should be his responsibility to talk about his job security.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I think he just speaks to the lack

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Speaker 6: of transparency in the fact that there are some definitely

865
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Speaker 6: things that need to change in which the way that

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Speaker 6: this organization runs.

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Speaker 3: Talking to John sheeran Ada is the sports I made

868
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Speaker 3: the point earlier. I think there's a lot of similarities

869
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Speaker 3: in this upcoming offseason to the ones following the twenty

870
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Speaker 3: twenty season in terms of cap space, in terms of needs,

871
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Speaker 3: and the way that they did kind of go outside

872
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Speaker 3: the box and signing a big free agent class, trading

873
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Speaker 3: for bj Hill, extending Sam Hubbard to try to build

874
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Speaker 3: some veteran presence and some talent on the defensive side

875
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Speaker 3: of the ball. You mentioned outside the box thinking for

876
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Speaker 3: this offseason. What's an example of something that they could do.

877
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Speaker 3: Do you agree that it's similar to the season following

878
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Speaker 3: the offseason following the twenty twenty year, and do you

879
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Speaker 3: feel like they can actually turn this round in one

880
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Speaker 3: offseason based off of what they have at their disposal.

881
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Speaker 6: But it just depends on how aggressive they want to

882
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Speaker 6: they want to go about it. I think they I mean,

883
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Speaker 6: we know this by heart, right, they limit themselves in

884
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Speaker 6: which how much better that they can get a certain

885
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Speaker 6: period of time because they like to take things in

886
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Speaker 6: terms of value opportunities, in terms of sometimes the right player,

887
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Speaker 6: it comes at a greater cost of what they're willing

888
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Speaker 6: to end up paint up. So they ended up sacrificing

889
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Speaker 6: the quality of players that they go after. And that's

890
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Speaker 6: beyond just the draft. Is also in a free agency,

891
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Speaker 6: I think if they want to identify what they need,

892
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Speaker 6: then they then the evolution of thinking outside of the

893
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Speaker 6: box in this case is to not letting anything stopping

894
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Speaker 6: them from going after and getting the players that whatever

895
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Speaker 6: out Golden, whoever out Golden wants, with whoever Zach Taylor wants,

896
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Speaker 6: whoever Duke Tobin wants, whoever. If you identify that the

897
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Speaker 6: coaches in the personnel department are not the issue here

898
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Speaker 6: and it is a player and a roster problem, then

899
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Speaker 6: make sure that nothing is holding you back from getting

900
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Speaker 6: the roster as good as it needs to. And that

901
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 6: was definitely an issue last year in which they weren't

902
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Speaker 6: aggressive enough. They were sitting on their hands in the

903
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 6: first week of free agency because half of the personal

904
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Speaker 6: department was figuring out how to extend Jamar Chase and

905
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Speaker 6: Tegans the contracts that should have been signed months prior

906
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Speaker 6: to freegency even beginning in the first place. So that

907
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Speaker 6: cannot be repeated again. They need to be extremely more

908
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Speaker 6: active and aggressive in freegency and not letting anything hold

909
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Speaker 6: them back. And if that means that you're sacrificing your

910
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 6: principles of guaranteed money and guarantee teacher salaries and contracts,

911
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Speaker 6: so be it. That is the outside of the box

912
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 6: thinking that they need. If they're not going to pin

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Speaker 6: any of this on the actual decision makers of this organization.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to these final three games and looking

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Speaker 3: for some of the answers to you know, the questions

916
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Speaker 3: of the offseason. What exactly are you looking for in

917
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 3: terms of evaluating some of these players on this roster

918
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Speaker 3: and trying to figure out what they have going into

919
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Speaker 3: the off season over the final three games.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that is for me, honestly, kind of

921
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Speaker 6: started when once Burrow got back, because I think it's

922
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Speaker 6: important to see what the team as a whole looks

923
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Speaker 6: like when you have the main quarterback at play under center.

924
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Speaker 6: That that's when you know, like all the operations are

925
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Speaker 6: going in the way that they would like them to go.

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Speaker 4: I think on.

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Speaker 6: Defense, you still wants to see different ways in which

928
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Speaker 6: some of these players are used. Like you saw some

929
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Speaker 6: of that evolution with Demetrius Knight Junior against the Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 6: He saw them make a little bit more plays adding

931
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Speaker 6: behind the line of scrimmage. He saw you know, Berek

932
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Speaker 6: Carter continuing to be who he is. He saw Miles

933
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Speaker 6: Murky continuing to take to take those steps as a

934
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Speaker 6: pass rusher. So just giving these guys is more it

935
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Speaker 6: sounds cliche, but just giving them more reps in positions

936
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Speaker 6: in which they will probably be counted on to play

937
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Speaker 6: next year. Like that, that's all it is. It's just

938
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Speaker 6: a piling up of experience and reps and making sure

939
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Speaker 6: that you have as much of an evaluation on them

940
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Speaker 6: as possible. And that goes for both sides of the ball.

941
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Speaker 6: And you know, I'm interested to see if there's any

942
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Speaker 6: change up along the lines of the defense, and with

943
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Speaker 6: all these injuries that they're incurring, that like eight guys

944
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Speaker 6: who have ankle injuries right now, so maybe you'll see

945
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Speaker 6: some new players play against the Dolphins and the Cardinals

946
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Speaker 6: and the Browns. But yeah, it's just about getting as

947
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Speaker 6: much tape out there as possible and putting these guys

948
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Speaker 6: in the positions that they should be to play next year.

949
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Speaker 6: Because of the coaches, that isn't going to change.

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Speaker 3: Who do you think outside of Miles Murphy and DJ

951
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 3: Turner has made the most progress this year on defense?

952
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 6: That's right. I still I'm still wondering, like it is

953
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Speaker 6: progress the word that you would use with Jordan Battle,

954
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Speaker 6: because if for every great play that he makes, there's

955
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Speaker 6: a player like oh, there is probably reason why you

956
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Speaker 6: shouldn't be starting out there I think battle at least

957
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 6: I feel like I have a better idea of who

958
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 6: he is. He's a guy that I would want on

959
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 6: the field if the rest of the defense is figured out,

960
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 6: just because he's such an exactor in terms of just

961
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 6: finding the ball and being around the ball. And I think,

962
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 6: just at least for his sake, identifying that quality of

963
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 6: him as a player now that he's a full time starter,

964
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 6: I think that's useful information to know. Again, I don't

965
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Speaker 6: know if he's really made a big of a jump

966
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 6: that you would want to be like, oh, like I

967
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 6: want this guy for sure starting next year in twenty

968
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 6: twenty six. But at least there's more information about him.

969
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 6: I would have liked to see more of that from

970
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 6: dak Silas. But I think the fact that he's been

971
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 6: playing on the boundary when he was you know, being

972
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 6: you know, trained to be in the nickel this year

973
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 6: all the time, and the injury that came to the

974
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 6: I don't think that's necessarily helped him. But I still

975
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 6: think that he was showing some progress in some science

976
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 6: and consistency in the role that he was probably meant

977
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 6: to play. And then again, like, I think there's been

978
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 6: some flashes here or there from Chris Jenkins and McKinley Jackson,

979
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 6: but not quite enough to the point where, like, yeah,

980
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 6: they are definitely the level of Turner and Murphy. So

981
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 6: I really do feel like it's just those two and

982
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 6: everyone else's kind of in the tier of their own.

983
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 5: Tony and I debated earlier this week, you know, when

984
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 5: you're trying to build a culture that wins are sometimes

985
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 5: more important than draft picks. Do you feel like the

986
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 5: Bengals need to build on and work on their culture

987
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,479
Speaker 5: and wins can help that, or do you think they're

988
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,479
Speaker 5: so far gone that the draft pick is the most

989
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 5: important thing and it really doesn't matter whether or not

990
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 5: they win games over the final three weeks.

991
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 6: In general, I'm a firm believer that tanking for any

992
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 6: sort of draft pick that isn't gonna be used on

993
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 6: a quarterback, it's not necessarily in your best interest because

994
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, like, yeah, like, there

995
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 6: have been examples of top sixteen picks that completely revolutionize

996
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 6: one side of the ball at Jamar Chase can be

997
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 6: an example of that, right, Kyle Hamilton example of that

998
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 6: for the Ravens. Right, maybe there is that player that

999
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 6: the Bengals could draft nine rather than maybe picking like

1000
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 6: thirteen and fourteen. Right, But at the end of the day,

1001
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 6: when you have the quarterback, you don't need a plethora

1002
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 6: of superstars around him. You just need solid quality players

1003
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 6: and you can find that whether you're picking at eight

1004
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 6: or fourteen, as long as you know what you're looking for.

1005
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 6: So I'm a believer that, yeah, this team definitely needs

1006
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 6: to learn how to win again and learn what winning

1007
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 6: feels like, and learn how to win games of this

1008
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 6: part of the year, because that was something that was

1009
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 6: assumed that would happen again this year, winning in December,

1010
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 6: and clearly that has definitely fallen off the map. So

1011
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 6: I think building wins, if you're going to keep all

1012
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 6: this together, what winning is definitely more important than having

1013
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 6: maybe a couple bull spots in the draft order picked up.

1014
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 6: Because again, people are worried about the Bengals picking and

1015
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 6: the teams because they haven't had that much success. But

1016
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 6: I don't think that that, again, like a handful of

1017
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 6: draft spots is really going to make that large of

1018
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 6: a difference, especially if they especially if they evolve their

1019
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 6: draft process the way that they need to.

1020
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 3: When do you start like digging into draft stuff. When

1021
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: do you start, you know, start reading about prospects and

1022
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 3: mock drafts and all that. When does that process start

1023
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 3: for Johnny football?

1024
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 6: For Johnny Football, it's really just about after these guys declare,

1025
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 6: because I've been burned too many times about learning about

1026
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 6: underclassman who, obviously, like are the guys that you want

1027
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 6: drafts early on, like the guys with the most potential,

1028
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 6: the guys who produce the most, and sometimes some of

1029
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 6: those guys end up going back to school. So I

1030
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 6: don't want to get burned about guys, you know, coming back,

1031
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 6: And obviously that's more prevalent now than ever with nil

1032
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 6: and the opportunity for these guys to make money. So

1033
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 6: once they declare, I'm pretty much full full of full

1034
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 6: steam ahead for the Senior Bowl and around that time

1035
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 6: of the year.

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Speaker 5: Do you have any comments on Gisel James returning to

1037
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 5: the Bearcat lineup last night?

1038
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 6: I think Moeger said it best and how like his

1039
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 6: return could alter the team's chemistry or chemistry any talent

1040
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 6: that you can get there and make west Miller less

1041
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 6: important for the actual on field on core performance.

1042
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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, great stuff, John, what are you working

1043
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 3: on for Bengals fans to follow along.

1044
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Speaker 6: Yes again, it's it's you know, the last few weeks

1045
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 6: of whatever this this season has been. I guess if

1046
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1050
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Speaker 6: there to see how the season ends.

1051
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Speaker 3: Great stuff, John, Thanks for making some time for me.

1052
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Speaker 3: Have a great holiday. We're not going to talk next week,

1053
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 3: but enjoy your holidays. Man, appreciate all your help this season.

1054
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Speaker 6: Happy All that is awesome.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: That is John Shearon You heard him. Eight is e

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Speaker 3: Underscore Sharon on X A lot of great stuff.

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Speaker 5: Uh did I say X? Who have I become? That's

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Speaker 5: not me? It's Twitter. Gosh, I can't believe I just

1061
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Speaker 5: I'm disappointed in myself. I can't believe I just said that.

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Speaker 5: All right, it's Uh, it's Twitter. That's where it's at.

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Speaker 14: not to sabotage.

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Speaker 3: Very christ bug, rude, Rudol, Welcome back in too Tony

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Speaker 3: Pikes since e three sixty Here on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: I'm Austin.

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Speaker 3: No more time for talkbacks. And if you haven't left

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Speaker 5: Me a message.

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Speaker 6: Everton College Subjack Austin. I need you to put up

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Speaker 6: a pick of you and that shisty. I know you

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Speaker 6: look like buzz Lightyear. I did.

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Speaker 5: I put up a pic.

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Speaker 3: It's on my Instagram at audio more a U T

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Speaker 3: y E L M O r E shameless plug right

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Speaker 3: now from my Instagram.

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Speaker 5: Go follow it.

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Speaker 3: It's in my latest post. I think it's slide number

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Speaker 3: What slide is this? Slide number six? Me and the

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Speaker 3: sisty and I do I do look a little bit

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Speaker 3: like buzz Lightyear. I'm gonna take that as a compliment.

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Speaker 18: Hey guys, pre Merry Christmas to you guys.

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Speaker 4: Thanks man.

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Speaker 18: I'll send my sentiments next week. Bankal Jerseys, let's do

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Speaker 18: a stark bench cut, all right, black pants, orange pants,

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Speaker 18: white pants.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna start the black pants. I'm gonna bench the

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Speaker 3: white pants. I'm gonna cut the orange pants.

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Speaker 4: Ron DC.

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Speaker 12: Hello, huge shout out to Sincy Shirts. You see. I

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Speaker 12: had a last minute idea for the ugly Christmas sweater

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Speaker 12: contest to Abe Lincoln was putting on. I showed up

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Speaker 12: at the Fort Mitchell location unannounced with a picture of

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Speaker 12: ugly old Abe that they put on a sweatshirt for me.

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Speaker 12: I ended up winning the contest. Abe took it pretty well.

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Speaker 12: In fact, he personally gave me a Nancy the first

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Speaker 12: place prize of two tickets to see it play at

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Speaker 12: Ford's Theater.

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, good, golly, gosh, Hey, guys, who's a

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Speaker 5: bride in the RBA?

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Speaker 15: Boy? Anyway, I want.

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Speaker 5: To make myself perfectly clear.

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Speaker 19: Every day I leave a talkback as if it would

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Speaker 19: be the last one I ever do. I've been going

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Speaker 19: there since twenty twenty two, and I've been through the

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Speaker 19: highs of being on the top five talk back yes

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Speaker 19: to the lows when the post got fired. Every day

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Speaker 19: it's about putting the work. It's about leaving a talkback back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well said well said uh Brad and the BA

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Speaker 3: who Yeah. Consistency that is true. He has been consistent.

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Speaker 4: I listened.

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Speaker 20: Does Zach Taylor talk to the media yesterday? Boy, that

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Speaker 20: was exciting. My two biggest takeaways. Number one, note to self,

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Speaker 20: don't ever ask Zach Taylor any questions about his contract.

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Speaker 20: If you do, he'll suddenly go combative X wife on you.

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Speaker 20: Number two, according to Zach Schamor, Stewart pays attention during

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Speaker 20: team meetings. Dude hits in the front row. He looks

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Speaker 20: at Zach, and Zach looks at Chamar, and Chamar is absorbing.

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Speaker 21: The information he's staring at Zach.

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Speaker 13: Zach's looking at.

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Speaker 3: He was very complimentary of Shamar Stuart. I think Samar

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Speaker 3: is trying to like change a bit of a narrative

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Speaker 3: about it. He got off on the wrong foot. I

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Speaker 3: hope that this offseason he's healthy, there's no distractions, and

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Speaker 3: he can, you know, adequately prepare for an NFL season

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Speaker 3: and hopefully be better. I mean, obviously the Bengals are

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Speaker 3: going to need him to be better, But it does

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Speaker 3: feel like to me like Shamar Stewart is like, okay,

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Speaker 3: let me let me work on my image here, because

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Speaker 3: we clearly didn't get off on the right foot, and

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Speaker 3: a lot of Bengals fans are already out on Shamar Stewart,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's unfair.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Zach is.

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Speaker 20: Looking at Shamar and Chamar making good eye contacts, staring

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Speaker 20: right back at Zack, and Zach is staring at Shamar.

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Speaker 20: They're staring at each other like a couple of love

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Speaker 20: sick teenagers. The future looks bright, Chamar's the sky's the limit.

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Speaker 4: Let's go.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 11: We were talking earlier about why the communication of the

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Speaker 11: Bengals is there and why can't they tell us is

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Speaker 11: because I don't think they know.

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Speaker 5: I don't think they have.

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Speaker 11: A clue because I remember a couple of years ago

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Speaker 11: during the draft, you guys asked Duke togn who are

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Speaker 11: you going to draft? They said, we don't know yet.

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Speaker 4: We don't know.

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Speaker 11: We don't have anyone specific. We just go by who's

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Speaker 11: best on the board. I think they just wing n

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Speaker 11: So when they say about the contract, they probably still

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Speaker 11: don't know.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if the contract's been signed, you know

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Speaker 3: what the contract is. And also I don't know that

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Speaker 3: that's the best analogy. There's never going to tell you

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Speaker 3: who you're gonna draft. Every GM in the NFL would

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Speaker 3: answer that question the same way, But I think there

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Speaker 3: might be a little bit of truth to that, as sad.

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Speaker 22: As that might be up guys, but cahun in Kentucky.

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Speaker 5: So maybe I'm in the minority here. But I don't

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Speaker 5: know all the NFL rules.

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Speaker 22: But if the Bengals aren't doing anything against the rules

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Speaker 22: like talking to the media disclosing contracts, if that's not

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Speaker 22: the rules that they have to do it, then why

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Speaker 22: are people the media and why are some of the

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Speaker 22: fans THO tour up about not knowing? It ain't none

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Speaker 22: of our business. It's their team. They're the owners. They

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Speaker 22: can do what they want.

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Speaker 5: If you don't like it, go route for Cleveland or Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know that there's there's anything

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Speaker 3: that says they have to disclose whether or not a

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Speaker 3: contract extension has been signed.

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Speaker 5: No, there's not. They don't have to.

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Speaker 3: But after a report comes out, I think it's strange

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Speaker 3: to not really acknowledge it. That I just think is weird.

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Speaker 3: And as far as I'm concerned, I'm always in favor

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Speaker 3: of transparency and truth seeking, and I don't think there's

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Speaker 3: enough of that.

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Speaker 23: Hey, Audie TJ. Marvin was asked to go five in

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Speaker 23: the playoffs. We was going to do different that year

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Speaker 23: to prevent another early exit. In true Marvin smugness, he says,

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Speaker 23: we're not going to do anything different. Why did I

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Speaker 23: do that? You know the results after that. Zach is

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Speaker 23: in the same comfortable and unaccountable position. Now I did

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Speaker 23: some digging. He's one of the always paid coaches in

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Speaker 23: the league. It doesn't matter if he's the right man

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Speaker 23: he's the right price. This organization simply has bass act

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Speaker 23: words priorities. So let's start talking about how great next

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Speaker 23: You is going to be?

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Speaker 4: Who day. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I also don't think Zach's money has ever been officially

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Speaker 3: out there, so that would be a rumor in and

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Speaker 3: of itself, but it's probably true. And yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: one of my biggest issues with the Marvin Lewis eraw

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Speaker 3: was that, and you can equate this to the Palmer

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Speaker 3: thing as well, is that they would be good enough

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Speaker 3: to get to the playoffs every year, but they would

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Speaker 3: never go above and beyond in the off season.

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Speaker 5: We bitched and moaned about this forever.

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Speaker 3: Is that there was a lack of aggression in the

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Speaker 3: off season in free agency and trying to get people here.

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Speaker 3: And it was a stain on the organization. It was

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Speaker 3: a stain on Marvin Lewis, It was a stain on

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Speaker 3: Mike Brown. They have gotten better at that, but then

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Speaker 3: you look at an offseason like last year, where they

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Speaker 3: chalked it all up to bad luck. The off season

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Speaker 3: last year was similar to that of the Marvin Lewis era,

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Speaker 3: which is we'll get a couple low level guys, but

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Speaker 3: we're good enough to get back to the playoffs. Well,

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Speaker 3: it turns out you're not, and it's more than just

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Speaker 3: bad luck. You don't have the depth, you don't have

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Speaker 3: the good enough you know, horses to lead this thing.

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Speaker 3: So I think you're right that sort of comfortability is

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Speaker 3: not a good thing. I don't know if Zach is

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Speaker 3: the same personality as Marvin when it comes to that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I would equate those two.

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Speaker 24: They did like Big Brother, iHeartRadio Cincati Edition.

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Speaker 6: Who do you think would weigh.

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Speaker 5: M that's a great question, Big Brother, I would like

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Speaker 5: I like my odds personally. Who else would be good

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Speaker 5: at that? Around here? Mo would be great. I think

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Speaker 5: stephan our president, would be wonderful at that.

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Speaker 3: Scott Sloan I would actually, I'd probably put I'd probably

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Speaker 3: put Sloaney as the favorite.

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Speaker 5: I'd put Scott's Loan is the favorite there.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, I want to give a shout out to Sandy

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Speaker 25: and Tracy, to die hard Bengals fans. They bleed orange

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Speaker 25: and black like you're suffering with the rest of us.

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Speaker 25: Hell yeah, I like how Patinas said he didn't have zabe.

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Speaker 5: You're ready to play last night?

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Speaker 25: Well you lose by forty five.

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Speaker 5: I guess not.

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Speaker 25: They couldn't beat Wes Claremont last night.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess that's true.

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Speaker 4: Austin A really good perspective on the Bengals.

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Speaker 26: There.

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Speaker 6: I actually feel better about the next season with.

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Speaker 4: Looking at the schedule and.

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Speaker 5: Hoping that they will do what they need to do

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Speaker 5: finally to get this done.

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Speaker 4: Poor Joe and the fans. So whode go Big Blue

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Speaker 4: and go rid.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Ken, I'm glad that you appreciate that perspective.

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Speaker 3: I'm not, I will say, I'm not trying to make

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Speaker 3: people feel better. I'm just trying to, like, I get

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Speaker 3: where you're coming from. You have every reason, every reason

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Speaker 3: imaginable to be skeptical. I get it, and I am too,

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Speaker 3: because I, to quote Marvin, I see better than I hear.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just trying to look at it from a

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Speaker 3: fifty thousand foot view and say, Okay, what's true, what's not,

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Speaker 3: and what could be a potential path.

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Speaker 5: And that's what I came up with.

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Speaker 4: And I might be wrong.

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Speaker 5: I'm allowed, Lord knows I've been wrong before.

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Speaker 13: You know.

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Speaker 17: All I wish is that Mike Brown and the Bengals

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Speaker 17: would realize that they could just go all in, spend

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Speaker 17: a ton of money all at once, and just nail

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Speaker 17: this thing for the next couple of years, get ourselves

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Speaker 17: a parade, and then they could spend the next fifteen

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Speaker 17: years pinching pennies and going into miser mode and losing fifteen,

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Speaker 17: sixteen seventeen games a year, and no one would care

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Speaker 17: because we had gotten our parade.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think that's it's a fair way to look at it.

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Speaker 3: I've on the flip side of that, you could say, well,

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Speaker 3: they did that in twenty twenty. They spent all the

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Speaker 3: way up to the cat basically and they failed. And

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Speaker 3: now what Just to play Devil's advocate there, But I

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Speaker 3: agree with you. There's an old saying out there. You

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Speaker 3: gotta spend money to make money.

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Speaker 27: Hey guys, it's Duke Tovin. I just want to let

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Speaker 27: you know we're working on an extension with Gino Stone. Yeah,

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Speaker 27: he'll be our starting safety next year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be It would be a dark day

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Speaker 5: in Bengaledom as it's known.

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Speaker 6: Austin Tony.

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Speaker 24: I wish I could sneak into the Bengals stadium and

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Speaker 24: put on the loud speaker the Black Sabbath song changes right,

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Speaker 24: when Mike Brown is doing his walk in the mornings, goes.

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Speaker 15: Like going, me changing, Yeah, yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 5: I'm sure Mike would like. I bet Michael listened a

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Speaker 5: little Black Sabbath. I could imagine that. You imagine Mike

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Speaker 5: cruising down seventy one listening to Black Sabbath. You think

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Speaker 5: Mike Shedde's here when Ozzie died.

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Speaker 28: Hey, Patty, Patty here, I just want to say Merry Christmas,

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Speaker 28: Happy Holidays to everyone. Won't be able to listen next

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Speaker 28: week at all. Our family's coming into town from Charleston,

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Speaker 28: including our grandson, and we are going to have a

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Speaker 28: house full including two dogs. It's going to be crazy

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Speaker 28: and chaotic, but wonderful. So just thinking about all you

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Speaker 28: guys and grateful for you all, and thanks Austin and

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Speaker 28: Tony for entertaining us. So blessings to you all. Merry Christmas, well.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Patty, and Merry Christmas to you and to

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Speaker 5: your family.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the.

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Speaker 3: The schedule for next week, excuse me, Tony and I

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Speaker 3: are here on Monday, and I believe that's it. Tuesday

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Speaker 3: we are bumped due to Kentucky basketball, and I will

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Speaker 3: be on the Roundtable show with Lance Tuesday night, But

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Speaker 3: then we are off the rest of the week and

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Speaker 3: back Monday Tuesday, the twenty ninth and thirtieth, if I'm

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Speaker 3: not mistaken, and and then we're off again. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: we are only here on Monday next week.

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Speaker 29: Hey, Jeffer Casey here talking about Zach's compensation. If he

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Speaker 29: is one of the lowest paid coaches in the league,

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Speaker 29: I would say that's probably accurate. It's probably based on

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Speaker 29: his performance, along with the Bengals being a cheaper organization.

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Speaker 29: What's his overall record, he probably deserves to be towards

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Speaker 29: the bottom of the coaching pace. Goood, Yeah, I'm sure

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Speaker 29: a lot of people would agree with you.

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Speaker 30: Shamar Stewart had a standout performance at the twenty twentive

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Speaker 30: Senior Bowl, significantly boosting his draft stock. He dominated early

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Speaker 30: practice sessions with his rare domination of size, six feet.

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Speaker 5: Five inches, two one pounds yeah and speed.

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Speaker 30: Notably forcing a stripsack against LSU tackle Emery Jones Junior.

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Speaker 30: His performance was so impressive that he withdrew from the

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Speaker 30: remainder of the week after just two days, having already

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Speaker 30: solidified himself as a first round prospect.

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Speaker 5: This momentum event thank you we knew all that information

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Speaker 5: about Schamar, but thank you.

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Speaker 31: A forty one point loss to crighton that home forty

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Speaker 31: one points, yeah, Craighton man fire, Wes Miller, Hey.

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Speaker 4: Audy, great job on the show. Thank you. Sorry to

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Speaker 4: double dip.

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Speaker 5: So evidently we're talking about practice.

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Speaker 6: Samar Stewart dominated practice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he dominated a senior ball practice. Yeah he I

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Speaker 3: mean we listened Shamar Stewart. We've talked extensively about his

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Speaker 3: lack of production in games in college. He clearly is

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Speaker 3: not produced in the NFL and his limited snaps. I

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Speaker 3: would love to see over the final three weeks as

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Speaker 3: much Samar Stewart as I possibly can, as much McKinley

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Speaker 3: Jackson as I possibly can, as much Demetrious Nite, as

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Speaker 3: much Barrett Carter, as much of.

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Speaker 5: All those dudes.

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Speaker 3: And listen, you don't want to look back at last

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Speaker 3: year in those the final five games, they didn't play

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Speaker 3: a bunch of great quarterbacks and the defense played a

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Speaker 3: little bit better. You don't want that to carry a

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Speaker 3: bunch of weight going into the offseason. But I do think,

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Speaker 3: and based off Paul Danner's reporting earlier this week, these

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Speaker 3: games do carry weight when it comes to evaluating going

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Speaker 3: into the offseason, and so that to me puts meaning

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Speaker 3: meaningful snaps on the field for this team, and I

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Speaker 3: think we can learn and get a peak maybe into

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Speaker 3: what their plans might be based off of the way

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Speaker 3: some of those young guys perform. And I listen, Schamar

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Speaker 3: is going to be a part of the story, whether

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Speaker 3: you want him to or not. And it would be

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Speaker 3: great for the Bengals to, you know, finally hit on

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Speaker 3: one of these defensive players that they've spent all these

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Speaker 3: top one hundred picks on. It would be great and

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Speaker 3: it would be nice if Shamar Sewart was one of

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Speaker 3: those guys, and hopefully we see something out of him

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Speaker 3: over the final three weeks and hopefully he's able to play.

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Speaker 3: That was it for talkbacks. Speaking of playing over the

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Speaker 3: final three weeks, Joe Burrow was asked about it and

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey talked about it now that the Chiefs have

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Speaker 3: been eliminated. I thought both of their answers were interesting.

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Speaker 3: You'll hear that next on Football in Natti. This is

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Speaker 3: Tony Pikes since he three sixty on the whole of

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Speaker 3: the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 5: As players fight through them Forminnati.

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Speaker 1: Grunch You in part by bud Light and by Oakley

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Speaker 1: Greens on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals, Welcome back in.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: A lot has been made about whether or not Joe

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Speaker 3: Burrow should play in the final three games of the season.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's a fun debate because kind of

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Speaker 3: what we talked about earlier this week, is winning all

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Speaker 3: that important when you have the needs and the holes

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Speaker 3: and the issues that the Bengals have, And should you

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Speaker 3: risk Joe Burrow potentially being injured. I've always stood by

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Speaker 3: the idea that you should not go through life scared,

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Speaker 3: and if a player who has paid well wants to

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Speaker 3: play football, then he should be allowed to play football,

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Speaker 3: whether or not the games have playoff implications or not.

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Speaker 3: Zach Taylor was asked why is Joe playing the final

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Speaker 3: three games? And Zach said, because we want to win.

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Speaker 3: And I can't sit around and say that the standard

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Speaker 3: is the standard and you should always be trying to

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Speaker 3: win and winning should be the most important thing, and YadA, YadA, YadA,

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Speaker 3: and then just be like, Joe shouldn't play the last

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Speaker 3: three games if it's about winning. And if it's about

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Speaker 3: having a standard, and if it's about meeting a stand

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Speaker 3: and if it's about getting young players to understand what

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Speaker 3: the standard is, then that means you don't just pack

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Speaker 3: up and go home when you get eliminated. It doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean you give up on the season. Now, if you

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Speaker 3: got a knee injury, if you got an ankle injury,

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Speaker 3: if you got something going on, there's no reason to

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Speaker 3: risk it.

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Speaker 5: I get it.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, like there's got to be

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Speaker 3: a culture, a standard, something here to build off of.

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Speaker 3: And maybe the momentum going into the offseason, maybe that

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Speaker 3: whole idea is maybe that's overrated, and I think there's

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Speaker 3: probably some validity to that. But is it not about

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Speaker 3: winning at all costs all the time, And isn't it

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Speaker 3: always a good thing to win? And when I think

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Speaker 3: of it, like my favorite players are playing for my

1424
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Speaker 3: favorite team, I want to watch them play football. I

1425
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 3: want to watch Joe Burrow play football. I want to

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Speaker 3: watch Jamar Chase play football. Joe was asked about it

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Speaker 3: earlier this week, actually just yesterday, was asked about why

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Speaker 3: he wants to play the final three games of the year.

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Speaker 8: Playing the last three weeks so important act. Why doesn't

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Speaker 8: matter to you even though you guys are illuminating.

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Speaker 9: I want to play football for the same reasons that

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Speaker 9: I wanted to push to comeback from injury. Some reasons

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Speaker 9: I want to play this week.

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Speaker 4: It feels like.

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Speaker 9: Everything everybody's trying to do everything in their power to

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Speaker 9: make me not play football, and I feel like I'm

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Speaker 9: fighting it, like fighting everybody.

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Speaker 4: Else, Like I just want to play. I just want

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Speaker 4: to play ball.

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Speaker 10: That's all I want to do.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty simple, right, I just just want to play football.

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Speaker 3: I'm paid to play football. You know, we all propped

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Speaker 3: up Joe for saying what he said prior to the

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving game, and people were asking, why do you want

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Speaker 3: to come back? Why do you want to play? And

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01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:56,800
Speaker 3: he's saying, we are paid a lot of money to

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Speaker 3: play a kid's game.

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Speaker 5: Why would I not? It can be that simple, can't it.

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey is going to be playing for the Chiefs

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Speaker 3: and they're going to be eliminated from postseason contention during

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Speaker 3: this game. Chiefs haven't missed the playoffs since twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes has never taken a snap in which the

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Speaker 3: Chiefs aren't in contention for the playoffs. It's been a

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Speaker 3: long time for Travis Kelcey. On the New Heights Show

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Speaker 3: or the New Heights Podcast or whatever that thing's called

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Speaker 3: that he does with his brother Jason, Jason asked him about,

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Speaker 3: you know, how do you approach the last three weeks

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Speaker 3: of the season, And here's Travis's response.

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Speaker 5: Yes, how do you approach the rest of the season.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, it's kind of unfamiliar territory at this point for

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Speaker 21: a lot of guys in the building, guys that have

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Speaker 21: been there, and I'm the only one that's been on

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Speaker 21: the team long enough to see us not make the playoffs.

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Speaker 21: There's an integrity thing here that you know, when you

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Speaker 21: sign up for the gig, you're living out your dreams.

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Speaker 21: You're living out a kid's dream that never got a

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Speaker 21: chance to do this. You're living out you know.

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Speaker 24: Man.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, you're uh, you're playing this game obviously to win

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Speaker 21: Super Bowls. You're playing this game to be in those

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Speaker 21: playoffs scenarios and stuff. But at the end of the day, man,

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Speaker 21: you're playing in the NFL. Yeah, And that's a blessing,

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Speaker 21: that's an honor. It's an honor to be out there.

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Speaker 21: It's an honor to feel the soreness after a game

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Speaker 21: because you're actually out there doing it. Yeah, And no

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Speaker 21: matter if you're getting the ball throwned you, no matter

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Speaker 21: if you're if you're blocking your tail off and you never,

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Speaker 21: you know, see the pill. It's it's an honor to

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Speaker 21: be out there in a uniform, playing for the for

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Speaker 21: the guys around you, playing for your family, playing for

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Speaker 21: the people back home that are watching you, that have

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Speaker 21: known you since you were a little kid, dreaming about

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Speaker 21: this moment, dreaming about these moments being in the NFL.

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Speaker 21: And I'll tell you what, man, if if there's a

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Speaker 21: game to be ad, baby, I'm gonna go out there

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Speaker 21: and I'm going to love playing in it, no matter

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Speaker 21: if it's a game that in the playoffs or gets

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Speaker 21: us in the playoffs, or a game that you know,

1489
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Speaker 21: seems like it doesn't have any implications of that.

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Speaker 4: And that's the integrity. You gotta go out there with.

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelce obviously in a much different point in his

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Speaker 3: career than Joe Burrow is, but the point remains the same. Like,

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Speaker 3: these dudes are living out their dreams and why you

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Speaker 3: would willingly step away from that, I think is I

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Speaker 3: just don't understand. And there's already an attitude out there

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Speaker 3: about professional athletes that they only do it for the money. Well,

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Speaker 3: there's an example of a dude that doesn't need another

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Speaker 3: dime the rest of his life, and he's getting emotional,

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Speaker 3: choked up about the idea of not being able to

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Speaker 3: play anymore. Joe Burrow was emotional after the Baltimore game

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Speaker 3: in the thought of his football mortality in the game

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Speaker 3: being taken away from him. Like, we are allowed even

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Speaker 3: though we are not. I'm not you might not be

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Speaker 3: a professional athlete that makes millions of dollars. We're allowed

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Speaker 3: to empathize with these guys. We're allowed to understand that.

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Speaker 3: You know, this can be hard on them too, And

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Speaker 3: sometimes they just want to play a game. They get

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Speaker 3: paid to play football. So I want to play football.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I would want to do. I

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Speaker 3: just think it can be that simple. Sometimes we'll take

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Speaker 3: a break, we'll come back.

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Speaker 5: Been a while since we heard this.

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Speaker 3: I said it earlier this week with Tony when's my

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Speaker 3: guy Chris Stapleton' gonna come out with a Christmas album?

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Speaker 3: So I've been listening to iHeart Christmas. I hope you

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Speaker 3: have been too, And I can only imagine something like

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Speaker 3: let It Snow by Chris Stapleton.

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Speaker 5: Or Please Home? What's that so please come home for Christmas?

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Speaker 4: Whatever?

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Speaker 5: That is just a little Chris Stapleton Christmas music. I

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01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 5: can't wait. Somebody get Chris to do that.

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Speaker 15: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Wrap it up our number two here on since E

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Speaker 3: three sixty Uh coming up in just a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to Keegan nickoson Bearcat Journal dot com. How

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01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,759
Speaker 3: did we get to this point? With Gisel James returning

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01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 3: to the Bearcat's big win for UC last night. We'll

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01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 3: also talk to him with the latest in the transfer

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01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,759
Speaker 3: portal for the football team. Quick update on the Bengals.

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01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 3: Bengals are starting practice right now. T Higgins, according to

1540
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 3: Ben Baby, not spotted Higgins still going through the concussion protocol.

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01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 3: He did not practice yesterday, and Joe Burrow was on

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01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 3: the injury report yesterday. He was listed with a knee

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01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 3: injury but was a full participant. He did say yesterday

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01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 3: is just a little bit sore, so I don't know

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01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 3: that that's anything significant, but it was on the injury

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01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 3: report yesterday. Cincinnati had a ton of guys on the

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01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 3: injury report and Joe was one of them. But T

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01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 3: Higgins not spotted at the start of Bengals practice today

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01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 3: talking bear Cats with Keegan Nickolson. Next, this is Tony

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01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 3: Pikes since he three to sixty on the Home of

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Speaker 3: the Bengals, ESPN fifteen to thirty.

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Speaker 1: You got This is Tony Pikes since he three sixty

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Speaker 5: Hi, Hello, welcome in our number three.

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Speaker 3: Tony Pikes since e three p sixty here on ESPN

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Speaker 3: fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 5: I'm Austin O.

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Speaker 3: Moore, No big Fella today, Tony Beck tomorrow for a

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01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 3: Friday football frenzy. And it's been a frenzy, that's for sure.

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01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 3: Whether you're talking football or basketball, Bengal dumb or Bearcat Land,

1565
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 3: there's a lot going on. I always think back to

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01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 3: what Moegar says, be good or be interesting. Well, the

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01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:44,560
Speaker 3: Bengals and Bearcats have not been good, but they have

1568
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 3: been interesting. And you see, last night got a little

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01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 3: bit more interesting. So we go to Bearcat Journal dot

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01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 3: COM's Keegan Nickoson to join us now and talk about

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01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 3: the Bearcats. Keegan, are you keeping up with all the

1572
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 3: stuff going on in Bearcat world right now?

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01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 4: I'm hanging on by a string. I don't know if

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01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 4: anyone can is capable of keeping up with everything that's

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01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 4: going on at the moment.

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01:25:08,240 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 3: Let's start with last night. Jigsel James returns. I think

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01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 3: my question is simple, how did we get here with

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01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 3: Gigsel James?

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01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he was dismissed from the team in

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01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 4: August and then he spent a lot of time in

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01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 4: Houston training at the John Lucas Facility, which kind of

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01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 4: specializes in rehabbing NBA and college players, and I think

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01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 4: he got back into town around Louisville the Louisville game.

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01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,919
Speaker 4: And then ever since that Louisville game, you've had some injuries,

1585
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 4: some guys who haven't been able to stay healthy. And

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01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 4: even before that, you lost Jalen Haynes for the year.

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01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:56,600
Speaker 4: Lucas Atari from I believe he's from Brazil came to

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01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 4: campus and didn't pass the physical because he had a

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01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 4: knee issue. So all of a sudden, you're looking at

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01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 4: this roster that is both struggling and unhealthy. And then

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01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,680
Speaker 4: Jisel was told that he wasn't going to play this year,

1592
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 4: and he still told Wes Miller that he wanted to

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01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 4: come back and be a part of the team and

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01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 4: just be around the guys and get ready for next season.

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01:26:20,840 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 4: But then Wes Miller is kind of putting this impossible

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01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 4: situation where he has this talented player around the team

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01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 4: who he can play this year if he can kind

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01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 4: of figure out a way to make it happen. And

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01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,600
Speaker 4: then ultimately he did. Jizill kind of reconcile with his teammates,

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01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,799
Speaker 4: earns the trust back of the coaching staff and his teammates,

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01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 4: and ultimately goes back on the floor. So it's been

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01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 4: a really, really long road and I wouldn't blame anyone

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01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 4: who said it's a desperation play by Wes Miller, but

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01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 4: there was a lot more that went into it to

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01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 4: make sure that it was a decision that he could

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01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 4: make that was in the best interest of both his

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01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 4: team and Gisel James.

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01:26:58,400 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I was about to ask you, because

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01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:04,440
Speaker 3: that's the word I've seen the most, is desperation for Cincinnati,

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01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 3: and I think it's fair to say, based off the

1611
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 3: way the season has started, that there's a little bit.

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01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:08,920
Speaker 5: Of that in the air.

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01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 3: Do you think it's a desperation move and how much

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01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 3: from a basketball standpoint, how much of a difference can

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01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 3: he really make or do we not know?

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01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 4: I do think it's a desperation move at this point

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01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 4: in the season. Like Tyler McKinley didn't play and he's

1618
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 4: not a guard, but he's struggling with kind of I

1619
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,400
Speaker 4: think it's a bone bruise issue. Shouldn't be long term.

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01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 4: Kerr Crease is shooting under thirty percent from three. I

1621
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 4: think he just went one for eight last night. He's

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01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 4: averaging something around seven points a game. Keishan Tillery hasn't

1623
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 4: been playing a ton. He's not really living up the expectations,

1624
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 4: which moving the goalpost isn't really fair because he wasn't

1625
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 4: expected to play this year a ton in the first place,

1626
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 4: so Jisel and Kerr were supposed to be the point

1627
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:56,759
Speaker 4: guards for you see, and then all of a sudden,

1628
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 4: you throw this true freshman into a really tough situation

1629
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 4: into your Harris is struggling with the back issue, and

1630
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 4: it seems like data Thomas is the only guy who's

1631
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 4: kind of completely healthy, so he didn't really have a choice,

1632
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:14,040
Speaker 4: which I guess means that it's a desperation play. But

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01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 4: it's not just this thing where Gisel was away from

1634
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 4: the team and had no interest in coming back, and

1635
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 4: then he was offered this opportunity because Wes just like

1636
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 4: was begging him to come. He had to come back

1637
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:29,799
Speaker 4: and go through the right processes and take the necessary

1638
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 4: steps to assimilate back and back with the team, or

1639
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,800
Speaker 4: I'm pretty confident that he wouldn't be playing right now.

1640
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 5: By no means.

1641
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 3: I am not a basketball expert, but it feels like

1642
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,680
Speaker 3: in the West Miller era offense has always been a

1643
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 3: struggle and consistent offense has always been a struggle.

1644
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 4: Why do you think that is, Well, that's some million

1645
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 4: dollar question or like ten million dollar question. I really

1646
01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think his best offense was year

1647
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 4: two when he had Landers Dollie and David de Julius

1648
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 4: and Landers Knowlledge just kind of went absolutely bonkers from three,

1649
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 4: made a ton of shots, and then you have a

1650
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 4: point guard who can go and get you a bucket.

1651
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 4: And even that offense, I think it was in like

1652
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 4: the seventies or eighties according to Ken palm Like it

1653
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 4: was by no means the top offense in the country,

1654
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:27,640
Speaker 4: but they had a solid enough defense to have a

1655
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 4: pretty good season. I think a lot of it is

1656
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 4: players just not panning out and not being able to

1657
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 4: take the next step. And that's on coaching. That's not

1658
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:40,799
Speaker 4: me throwing the players under the bus. If the players

1659
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 4: aren't getting better from year to year, it's on the

1660
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 4: people who are supposed to be developing them. You think

1661
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 4: Dan Skillings goes to a baseball game and gets on

1662
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 4: an interview between innings and says, Yeah, I'm gonna play

1663
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 4: one more year at Cincinnatian and go to the NBA,

1664
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 4: And then he has a really bad year and makes

1665
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 4: a a couple of million dollars to go to Baylor.

1666
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 4: And you think of Jessel James, who was supposed to

1667
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:06,600
Speaker 4: be the best player of the team last year and

1668
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 4: he really struggles. Dylan Mitchell didn't have a great offensive

1669
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 4: season last year. Simos Dukosias started the season shooting like

1670
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 4: forty eight percent from three, but then really really struggled

1671
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:20,880
Speaker 4: and just couldn't put together a consistent season. So I

1672
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 4: don't know if it's the assistant coaches or there isn't

1673
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:28,639
Speaker 4: just a great offensive plan, but it seems like there's

1674
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 4: been a decent amount of stuff thrown out the wall

1675
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 4: and it just hasn't hasn't stuck. Like you're kind of

1676
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 4: counting on Kerkcresa and saying, Okay, his last year at

1677
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 4: West Virginia he was good, and then he goes to

1678
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 4: Kentucky and gets hurt and he plays nine games. If

1679
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 4: we can get that West Virginia kerkkrisa, everything will be fine.

1680
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 4: But then you don't get them. And John Celestin has

1681
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 4: had a decent year but also hasn't been great. And

1682
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 4: then Sean Obaia, who's supposed to be maybe your best

1683
01:30:55,800 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 4: shooter on the team him battling with Celestine is also

1684
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 4: kind of struggling from the from the free throw line

1685
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,519
Speaker 4: and the free point line, and now to a point

1686
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 4: where Dade Thomas is kind of your most most efficient shooter,

1687
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:10,760
Speaker 4: which no one would have pictured two years ago. So

1688
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 4: I think a lot of it is it's development, and

1689
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 4: a lot of it as players just not panning out.

1690
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that they're constantly getting bad shots. A

1691
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 4: lot of it is just you're not making shots, and

1692
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,920
Speaker 4: that's going to go back to what what are you practicing,

1693
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 4: what are the drills they're doing, and just how locked

1694
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:29,679
Speaker 4: interview on those things.

1695
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 5: How would you assess the season that we've seen from

1696
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:33,639
Speaker 5: Shannabaiah this year.

1697
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 4: I think I unfairly kind of saw him being one

1698
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 4: of the highest rated recruits to come to Cincinnati and said, Okay,

1699
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 4: well he's just going to be the best player on

1700
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 4: the team, and I kind of expected him to do

1701
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 4: much more, knowing that he was a really really high

1702
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 4: four star of five star by some outlets, and then

1703
01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 4: you just kind of think about that and you say, Okay,

1704
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 4: this kid's going to be a stud. I think he

1705
01:32:03,439 --> 01:32:05,759
Speaker 4: definitely has to play better, and I think if anyone

1706
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 4: asks him if he's played up to his standard or

1707
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 4: what he believes he can play to. If you ask

1708
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 4: Wes Miller, both of them would say no, and that

1709
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,960
Speaker 4: he needs to play better and that he will play better.

1710
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,560
Speaker 4: I mean, Wes Miller said last night he's going to

1711
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 4: shoot the ball well this season. Take that to the bank.

1712
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 4: And you know, Wes has also said that about free

1713
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 4: throws and it hasn't really come true. So I don't

1714
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 4: know how much credence you can give it. But I

1715
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 4: think he's a really, really talented player. I think he's

1716
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 4: a smart player. I liked seeing him against Alabama State

1717
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 4: be aggressive on takes to the rim and then kind

1718
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 4: of pass out or draw some foul shots or get

1719
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 4: some layups and not just settle for threes. Because he's

1720
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 4: been a very, very high volume three point shooter. So

1721
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 4: I'm expecting him to play much better. But I wouldn't

1722
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Speaker 4: argue with anyone who says, you know, we saw the

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Speaker 4: Michigan game in the exhibition when he scored I think

1724
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 4: fifteen points and looked great, and you're not just seeing

1725
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:02,000
Speaker 4: that now, So he's going to be really really tested

1726
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:03,600
Speaker 4: at the start of Big Twelve play the season he

1727
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Speaker 4: can kind of come along.

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Speaker 3: Talking to Kegan nickoson Bearcat Journal dot Com, let's flip

1729
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 3: over to football. There's a lot going on as the

1730
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 3: Bearcats get set for the Liberty Bawl. The big news

1731
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 3: this week, of course, Brendan Soorsby going into the transfer portal.

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01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 3: What did we learn from Scott Saderfield when he talked

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Speaker 3: earlier this week about Soorsby and about what the plan

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01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 3: might be to replace him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean what we learned is that Cincinnati put

1736
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Speaker 4: together a very competitive package and finance wise to compete

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01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:39,760
Speaker 4: with other schools. But at the end of the day,

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01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 4: I just think this was I think Brendan Soorzy wanted

1739
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:45,640
Speaker 4: to play somewhere else. I don't think it was a

1740
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 4: thing where he was willing to come back and kind

1741
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 4: of in a sense start over offensively because of all

1742
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 4: the players that they're losing. I know for a fact

1743
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 4: after last season he turned down higher paying offers because

1744
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 4: he saw what they were building. He saw Joe Royer,

1745
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 4: he saw the wide receivers they could bring in, and

1746
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 4: Sire sal and Jeff Caldwell with Caleb Goody, he saw

1747
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,680
Speaker 4: Evan Pryor the offensive line, and he knew that he

1748
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 4: had something to build around, and then you know, kind

1749
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,479
Speaker 4: of just looking at the situation and going in the

1750
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,960
Speaker 4: next year, you have to think, you know, how much

1751
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 4: better can I get? How much can I raise my

1752
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 4: stock for the NFL? And at this point, he thinks

1753
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:27,680
Speaker 4: he's either going to go to the NFL or he's

1754
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 4: going to trainsfer somewhere else and try to raise that

1755
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:34,680
Speaker 4: stock even more. A school like Texas Tech, who has

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01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 4: a forty million dollar rosster this year and has a

1757
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Speaker 4: ton of money. Maybe Indiana, where he played for multiple

1758
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 4: years and that's where you see got him out of

1759
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,920
Speaker 4: after a successful stint. I've heard some Tennessee, I've heard

1760
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 4: some Miami, but I ultimately think it's going to come

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01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 4: down to Texas Tech in Indiana if he doesn't end

1762
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:58,200
Speaker 4: up going to the draft. So yeah, it's it's tough.

1763
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 4: Scott Saderfield basically said, look, we couldn't afford him, and

1764
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Speaker 4: you know, I don't think anybody should be surprised by that.

1765
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,799
Speaker 4: He's one of the best quarterbacks in the country, especially

1766
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 4: when you look at who's coming back for next season.

1767
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 4: He's going to be one of the most sought after quarterbacks.

1768
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,160
Speaker 4: So you know, you see, he's in a tough spot

1769
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 4: and they're going to have to replace him with a

1770
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:20,439
Speaker 4: transfer quarterback. He's going to have to come in and

1771
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 4: really battle for a starting spot next year.

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Speaker 3: Not only is their roster turnover, but there's turnover on

1773
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 3: the people that help build the roster. They've lost a

1774
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 3: couple of guys in their player development and the portal

1775
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 3: operations and all that stuff. What is the latest on

1776
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 3: replacing them so that they can continue to acquire talent

1777
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Speaker 3: through the portal and otherwise.

1778
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it hasn't been officially announced yet by Cincinnati, but

1779
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 4: they're replacing Jack Griffith with Nick Lamatina from Western Kentucky.

1780
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 4: He was an intern at Western Kentucky under Zach Grant

1781
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 4: and I believe twenty twenty and then he's been there

1782
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,599
Speaker 4: since and he was one of Helton's like biggest player

1783
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 4: personnel guys. He actually was a lead guy in replacing

1784
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 4: a team that won eight games and then lost sixty

1785
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 4: players after the twenty twenty four season, and then they

1786
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 4: replaced the sixty players that they lost and then won

1787
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 4: eight more games this past year. So he knows about

1788
01:36:18,600 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 4: roster turnover, he knows how to evaluate talent. They sent

1789
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:26,759
Speaker 4: defensive linemen to I think Auburn, Florida State, Wake Forest,

1790
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:30,719
Speaker 4: and Alabama after the last season, so he's been involved

1791
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 4: in all that kind of stuff. Everything I've heard from

1792
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 4: everyone is that he's a stud. And you know, I'm very,

1793
01:36:38,040 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 4: very high on Jack Griffith. I think he was one

1794
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 4: of the best portal evaluators and hardest working guys in

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01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:45,720
Speaker 4: college football, and it sounds like they got a guy

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01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 4: that kind of rivaled that or at least get close

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01:36:48,040 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 4: to it, especially when we're only a couple weeks away

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01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:51,680
Speaker 4: from the portal here.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of the portal, it feels like there's a thousand

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Speaker 3: Bearcats in it right now. I say this like jokingly,

1801
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 3: but also not like are there going to be enough

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01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,719
Speaker 3: people to play in the Liberty Bowl against Navy, especially

1803
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 3: in the defensive side of the ball.

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01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 4: The defensive backfield might be a question, but we're going

1805
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,960
Speaker 4: to be seeing a lot of true freshmen and red

1806
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 4: shirt freshmen who haven't seen a lot of snaps in

1807
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 4: their Cincinnati careers. We actually talked to Tyson Bite today

1808
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 4: after practice and he said to look out for Patrick Williams,

1809
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:26,840
Speaker 4: a corner from Florida who's a true freshman who has

1810
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 4: really taken on that mantle and taken the opportunity to

1811
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:32,479
Speaker 4: get those extra snaps, and he's taken advantage of it.

1812
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:36,679
Speaker 4: You saw Michael Coleman into the portal today. He hasn't

1813
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 4: been at practice, but yet they're going to have enough guys.

1814
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:44,680
Speaker 4: It just might not be the usual product that you

1815
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 4: saw at the end of the year from an experience perspective,

1816
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,080
Speaker 4: But I would say that a lot of Cincinnati fans

1817
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 4: weren't very satisfied with what they saw in the first place.

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01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 4: They seeing some new blood out there against Navy might

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01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 4: be a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Well, like going up against a team like Navy and

1821
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 3: with everything you just mentioned and the inexperience and all

1822
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 3: the turnover, Like how much can you really get from

1823
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 3: the Liberty Bowl? Like does does winning it matter that much?

1824
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,559
Speaker 3: Do those snaps matter that much? Like how much are

1825
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,000
Speaker 3: you actually getting out of this game?

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, there's a few names that

1827
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:24,160
Speaker 4: I'm interested in. Zion Johnson, a running back, is one.

1828
01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 4: What does he do as possibly a starting running back?

1829
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 4: I think Evan Pryor's status for whether Hill player or

1830
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,919
Speaker 4: not is kind of up in the air. Zion Johnson's

1831
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 4: a really really fast, true freshman who's expected to have

1832
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 4: a big role on the team in the future, So

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01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 4: I'm going to be watching him Sadderfield said that both

1834
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 4: quarterbacks Brady Littenberg and Samaje Jones will play, and I

1835
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 4: think this is a great chance for Samage Jones to

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01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:49,560
Speaker 4: prove to the coaching staff whether he can compete for

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01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,120
Speaker 4: the starting job next year. How aggressive do they have

1838
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 4: to be in the portal going after a guy? And

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01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,560
Speaker 4: you know, Navy isn't like the most talented team in

1840
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,360
Speaker 4: the country, but they're gonna played discipline and they're gonna

1841
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:04,320
Speaker 4: play really, really hard and really aggressive brand of football.

1842
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:07,800
Speaker 4: So it'll be a good test for the quarterbacks. Other

1843
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:09,880
Speaker 4: than Thatt I'm looking at I'm looking at dB like

1844
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 4: I mentioned earlier, how does Patrick Williams play? How to

1845
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 4: CJ krit play? A safety who I'm really intrigued by.

1846
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:19,560
Speaker 4: They brought in some true freshmen last year with some

1847
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:22,720
Speaker 4: length and size, which is what Scott Saidisfield said they

1848
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 4: needed to get in the offseason. So just looking at

1849
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 4: those kind of things red shirt freshmen and true freshman

1850
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 4: who could possibly have an impact next year. And also

1851
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 4: like the offensive line is looking like it's going to

1852
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 4: stay together pretty well, as they just announced that they're

1853
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 4: all coming back next year. So see how those guys

1854
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 4: can continue to gel against the Navy defensive line.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Keegan, appreciate your time before I let you go.

1856
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Speaker 3: What are you working on and how can people follow along?

1857
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 4: Yeah? I got a bunch of portal stuff coming. It

1858
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:56,680
Speaker 4: opens on January tewod and then going to continue to

1859
01:39:56,840 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 4: have Bowl game and basketball coverage coming. Make sure to

1860
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:03,679
Speaker 4: subscribe to barkat Journal, follow me at k Nickison forty

1861
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 4: two on X and you should see all my stuff.

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Speaker 3: Awesome Keegan, we'll talk to you in a couple of weeks. Man,

1863
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:10,599
Speaker 3: Thank you and having merry Christmas.

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Speaker 4: Thanks autin you too.

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01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 5: That is Keegan.

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Speaker 3: Nickoson Bearcat journal dot com. About half an hour from

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Speaker 3: right now, we'll be talking to the head hount show

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01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,639
Speaker 3: of Bearcat Journal dot com. Chadbrindle is going to stop

1869
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 3: by for quick hits because Chad has most show this

1870
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:27,679
Speaker 3: afternoon from three to six. It'll be the Chad Brindle

1871
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Speaker 3: Show on The Moegger Show. Got an update from Bengals

1872
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 3: practice when we get back, and we'll do a quick

1873
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 3: whip around college basketball. Here from Wes Miller, from Richard Patino,

1874
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 3: from Darren Horn all after games last night here in

1875
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 3: the Cincinnati area. This is Tony Pikes Sincy three sixty

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Speaker 3: hour three continues next on the Home of the Bengals,

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 5: Is it possible soon?

1879
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Speaker 3: The phone line's still open at five one, three, seven,

1880
01:40:58,120 --> 01:41:00,880
Speaker 3: four nine, fifteen thirty if you want to call in

1881
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:04,760
Speaker 3: any last minute thoughts to share, you're welcome to. Thank

1882
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,280
Speaker 3: you to those of you who followed me on Instagram

1883
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 3: earlier talked about me looking like Buzz Lightyear in a

1884
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Speaker 3: sisty Well you can see it, and many of you

1885
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 3: did follow me, so thank you. Still trying to turn

1886
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 3: this into something and cool to see people following. I

1887
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:24,800
Speaker 3: do appreciate that quick update from Bengals practice. Earlier I

1888
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,560
Speaker 3: told you've been baby reporting that T Higgins was not

1889
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 3: spotted at the start of practice. Well, Higgins about fifteen

1890
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 3: minutes later arrived with a helmet on for the last

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01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:37,640
Speaker 3: minute of open portion of practice to the media. He

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01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 3: was with trainer Joey Bose as they were getting set

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01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 3: kind of off to the side there. So certainly I

1894
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 3: would assume some good news that T has his helmet

1895
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 3: on and was at least spotted at practice. He was

1896
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 3: officially listed as limited on the injury report yesterday. We

1897
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 3: will obviously get another update on that injury report later

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Speaker 3: on this afternoon. A lot of college basketball being played

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Speaker 3: in the area. Last night, we had Xavier in action,

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati in action, and n KU in action. The Norse

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01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:14,639
Speaker 3: fell to Oakland last night. NKU now one and two

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01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 3: in Horizon League play. Not a great showing for them.

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01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:21,799
Speaker 3: Here is Darren Horn, the head coach of the Norse,

1904
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:24,439
Speaker 3: following last night's loss to Oakland.

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Speaker 13: I mean, this felt like a March level game, right

1906
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 13: to two teams in our league that have been pretty

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01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:34,559
Speaker 13: good over the years. We're really battling it out possession

1908
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:38,680
Speaker 13: for possession. And give Oakland credit. I thought they were

1909
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:42,080
Speaker 13: really aggressive and physical, and you know, they made place

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01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 13: when they needed to make them. And that's a lot

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01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:46,640
Speaker 13: of what these kind of games come down to. You

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01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:49,559
Speaker 13: can you make the right plays and you know, if

1913
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:51,479
Speaker 13: you scored seventy seven points at home and have fifty

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01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 13: points in the page, you need to win. And so

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01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 13: the message that I've been giving up here after so

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01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 13: many games, even when we were winning, that we are

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01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 13: not where we need to be defensively to win games

1918
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:05,839
Speaker 13: like this. I think showed tonight in general good defensively.

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01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 13: You know, you look at the numbers in terms of

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01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 13: percentages and all that, but so many poor plays, just

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01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 13: lack of poise, quite honestly, stupid basketball plays to give

1922
01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:18,000
Speaker 13: them open looks. They had four to threes in the

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01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:20,640
Speaker 13: second half. Three of them we literally just left a

1924
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:22,760
Speaker 13: shooter for them to throw the ball to them wide

1925
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:25,120
Speaker 13: open and then them get clean looks. And you know,

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01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 13: those are things that we haven't done in practice in

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01:43:28,360 --> 01:43:31,599
Speaker 13: two weeks. You know, we've been getting better, but we've

1928
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 13: got to play with a greater level of poise and

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01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 13: discipline on the defensive end. You know, if you give

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01:43:36,360 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 13: up twenty nine free throws in a game like this,

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Speaker 13: it's going to be hard to win. And that's again,

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Speaker 13: and I think our challenge is it's not one or

1933
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Speaker 13: two guys, it's it's multiple guys, and it's throughout the game.

1934
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:50,519
Speaker 13: And so we've got to really get better in that area.

1935
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:52,320
Speaker 13: And we've got some guys quite honestly, that need to

1936
01:43:52,360 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 13: tough en up and grow up a little bit. And

1937
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 13: you know, the games are not going to get any easier.

1938
01:43:57,840 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 13: Get a brutal non conference game coming in here Sunday

1939
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 13: with Charleston, and then you know, league plays is gonna

1940
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:05,240
Speaker 13: be like this every night. So we've got a tough

1941
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:06,439
Speaker 13: en up and grow up a little bit and get

1942
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 13: a little bit more disciplined on the defensive end.

1943
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:13,000
Speaker 3: Damn, how about that from Darren Horn said, quite honestly,

1944
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:15,560
Speaker 3: some stupid plays. We've got a tough en up. We

1945
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:18,720
Speaker 3: gotta be better. I mean that's talk. You want to

1946
01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:21,280
Speaker 3: talk about putting a cheese on the cracker. I mean,

1947
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:23,879
Speaker 3: that's doing it right there from Darren Horn. I appreciate

1948
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:27,160
Speaker 3: that sort of honesty from a coach post game. So

1949
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:30,719
Speaker 3: NKU now nine and four on the season. As I mentioned,

1950
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 3: one and two in the Horizon League. They host Charleston

1951
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 3: on Sunday. Xavier was also in action. They were getting

1952
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 3: underway with Big East play hosting Creighton, and Creighton gave

1953
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:45,920
Speaker 3: him the business. Creyton beat him ninety eight fifty seven.

1954
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:50,120
Speaker 3: My apologies for that. Ninety eight to fifty seven was

1955
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:52,519
Speaker 3: the score. Last night, Xavier falls to eight and four.

1956
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 3: Here is Richard Patino and his opening statement following last

1957
01:44:56,479 --> 01:44:57,040
Speaker 3: night's loss.

1958
01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:00,200
Speaker 32: Well credit to Crayton they were really really good. I

1959
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 32: thought they were better than the way they'd been playing.

1960
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:06,840
Speaker 32: They responded in a big way. But you know, we

1961
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:10,439
Speaker 32: were as bad as we've been all year. We've been

1962
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:13,920
Speaker 32: practicing well, we had been playing well, and everything that

1963
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 32: got us to that we totally abandoned. So really really

1964
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:21,000
Speaker 32: disappointed in myself to allow that to happen.

1965
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:24,040
Speaker 5: You know, we're gonna have to.

1966
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:28,080
Speaker 32: Really really swallow our pride tomorrow and watch this film

1967
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 32: and we're gonna have to learn from it. So certainly,

1968
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:35,640
Speaker 32: very very disappointed, appreciative of the fans. Apologized to them

1969
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 32: that they didn't show up to watch that, but there's

1970
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:41,880
Speaker 32: nothing we can do about it besides learn from it

1971
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:42,639
Speaker 32: and get back to work.

1972
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:48,400
Speaker 3: Xavier head coach Richard Patino. Following Xavier's loss, the Muskies

1973
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:52,720
Speaker 3: are back in action. On Saturday, they traveled to Georgetown

1974
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 3: to take on the Hoyas and finally, last night, Cincinnati

1975
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 3: the only team in the area to win and took

1976
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,680
Speaker 3: down Alabama State. And Alabama State is one of the

1977
01:46:02,760 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 3: worst defensive teams in the country, but who cares. If

1978
01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:08,880
Speaker 3: you need a get right game, the Bearcats got one

1979
01:46:09,040 --> 01:46:12,639
Speaker 3: last night. The return of Gisel James a great performance

1980
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:16,360
Speaker 3: from Bob Bob Miller. Here is Wes Miller's opening statement

1981
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 3: following a Bearcat victory.

1982
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1983
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 33: I thought we talked to the guys about taking a

1984
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 33: step as a team tonight, and I thought the guys

1985
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:31,840
Speaker 33: prepared the right way, and I thought for the most

1986
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,599
Speaker 33: part they did that. There's always things as a coach

1987
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:36,960
Speaker 33: that you can nitpick that you want to be better.

1988
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:40,240
Speaker 33: But I liked the way that we approached it tonight.

1989
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 33: I liked some of the things that happened. I thought

1990
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:45,679
Speaker 33: we took a step. Alabama State played in this tournament

1991
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 33: last year. They'll play in it again this year. I

1992
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:52,680
Speaker 33: was concerned about the game. You know, they went at

1993
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 33: UAB and everybody here knows.

1994
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 5: Andy Kennedy's a really good coach. Everybody knows him around here.

1995
01:46:58,640 --> 01:46:59,840
Speaker 5: And they go win at UAB.

1996
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:04,599
Speaker 33: Mike Roberts, who is probably my best friend in coaching,

1997
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 33: is an assistant at New Mexico, and New Mexico's really

1998
01:47:07,400 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 33: damn good. And they go into the pit and they

1999
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:13,360
Speaker 33: had a lead for thirty eight minutes or something like that,

2000
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:16,800
Speaker 33: and to almost get a win at New Mexico, I

2001
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:19,000
Speaker 33: think as an eight point game in Missouri, this weekend,

2002
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 33: and so I have a lot of respect for Alabama State,

2003
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 33: and I think they're a really good team. And I thought,

2004
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 33: you know, we played well enough that it didn't appear

2005
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 33: that way at times tonight. We were able to take

2006
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 33: them out of things. So for that reason, I'm pleased to.

2007
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 5: Boba Miller.

2008
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:43,280
Speaker 33: You know, when he's playing with the right intention and

2009
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 33: the right mentality, he's pretty special. And I thought he

2010
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:50,320
Speaker 33: strung together twenty six minutes of playing the right way tonight.

2011
01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:52,719
Speaker 33: And I challenged him a little bit this morning about

2012
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 33: being consistent with the things that matter.

2013
01:47:56,840 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 5: So it's really good to see it.

2014
01:47:57,840 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 33: But you look down in twenty six and fourteen guys,

2015
01:48:00,120 --> 01:48:03,720
Speaker 33: I mean that's that's something else and eleven for twelve.

2016
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:05,519
Speaker 5: From the field, and it was good to see he

2017
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:06,519
Speaker 5: can shoot. He can shoot.

2018
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 33: I mean he shoots like over seventy percent in our

2019
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 33: practices in all our shooting drills, but.

2020
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 5: He hadn't made them to start the year.

2021
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:15,559
Speaker 33: And you know, it was great because the first one

2022
01:48:15,640 --> 01:48:18,320
Speaker 33: came inside out, and I think when you when you

2023
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 33: get to the basket and you get to the paint,

2024
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:22,360
Speaker 33: the ball comes out, those are easier shots. And it

2025
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:25,000
Speaker 33: was a nice inside out play for MoU and it

2026
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 33: was good to see one go down and good to

2027
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 33: see him make some free throws.

2028
01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 5: But I thought Bob's performance was great.

2029
01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:34,639
Speaker 33: I love twenty five assists. That they're a really good

2030
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 33: rebounding team, and in other high major games they've been

2031
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:41,320
Speaker 33: effective on the board, and you know, if that was

2032
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 33: something we challenged.

2033
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:43,760
Speaker 5: I'm glad we won the board. I'd like us to

2034
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 5: win it more significantly.

2035
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:47,880
Speaker 33: I don't like their seventeen offensive rect they got three

2036
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,120
Speaker 33: in one possession, for God's sakes in the second half,

2037
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 33: but that was something we were talking about a lot.

2038
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:54,760
Speaker 33: And then I don't know if I said it yet,

2039
01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:55,759
Speaker 33: but twenty five assists.

2040
01:48:55,800 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 5: That's always a good thing.

2041
01:48:56,760 --> 01:49:00,559
Speaker 3: When you see that Bearkatz back in action against Clemson

2042
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:04,639
Speaker 3: on Sunday. That is the Greenville Winter Invitational game being

2043
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:08,240
Speaker 3: played in Greenville, South Carolina. Up against the Tigers. They

2044
01:49:08,280 --> 01:49:11,160
Speaker 3: are nine and three this season. We'll take a break,

2045
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 3: we'll come back. We got John in Boston, we got

2046
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:15,920
Speaker 3: Mike in LA. We got time for you. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

2047
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:19,960
Speaker 3: fifteen thirty Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty Home

2048
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:22,639
Speaker 3: stretch of a third hour here on Tony Pike since

2049
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:24,840
Speaker 3: he three sixty on Austin on more time for phone

2050
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:28,160
Speaker 3: calls before we go to Chad Brindle for quick hits. Chad,

2051
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:30,560
Speaker 3: of course in FROMO this afternoon. Let's start up in

2052
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 3: Boston and talk to John. John, you're on the program.

2053
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:38,080
Speaker 5: What's up dude, Good afternoon, Austin. How are you, wonderful man?

2054
01:49:38,160 --> 01:49:38,760
Speaker 5: What's on your mind?

2055
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:40,479
Speaker 4: Sounds good?

2056
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 15: Well?

2057
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:42,680
Speaker 34: I think first of all, what we have to look

2058
01:49:42,720 --> 01:49:45,679
Speaker 34: at is down the stretch is the health of Joe Borrow,

2059
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:49,080
Speaker 34: making sure that he's upright and healthy going into next season.

2060
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 34: That goes without saying I think we can all agree

2061
01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 34: with that, but I'd love to see him kind of

2062
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:55,160
Speaker 34: come back and get that draw back to playing football.

2063
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 34: And the only thing I could take away from it

2064
01:49:57,160 --> 01:50:00,000
Speaker 34: is he's such a competitive guy and really cherishes winning.

2065
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:00,559
Speaker 15: Thank you so much.

2066
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:03,479
Speaker 34: Look back at his career, I think he lost one.

2067
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:04,200
Speaker 15: Game in high school.

2068
01:50:04,479 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 34: I think while he was at Ohio State, although he

2069
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 34: didn't play much, they only lost five games in three years,

2070
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 34: and then four games at LSU. So when he came

2071
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:14,120
Speaker 34: into the NFL, he's only been ten losing games, and

2072
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:15,840
Speaker 34: this year the Bengals of four and ten, So that

2073
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 34: has to.

2074
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:16,800
Speaker 15: Wear on him.

2075
01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:20,040
Speaker 34: I'm so old to remember that Larry Bird when he

2076
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 34: went undefeated and he had a state in nineteen seventy nine,

2077
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:25,519
Speaker 34: lost the championship game for Magic Johnson, and then he

2078
01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:27,240
Speaker 34: came to the Celtics to turn them around. They won

2079
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:30,519
Speaker 34: sixty plus games, And a question that was asked to

2080
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:32,760
Speaker 34: him after the season when it was the toughest pride

2081
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:35,800
Speaker 34: adjusting from college to pros. Just losing this much, nearly

2082
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:38,439
Speaker 34: lost like twenty games in a basketball season. Those types

2083
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 34: of guys who are really competitive, I think it just

2084
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 34: wears on them after a while. So that to me

2085
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:45,360
Speaker 34: is really what I would love to see happen in

2086
01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:47,679
Speaker 34: the last three weeks. Keep him healthy and make sure

2087
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:50,080
Speaker 34: that you know he's back to being himself, because we

2088
01:50:50,160 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 34: could sit here and talk about offensive blind and linebackers

2089
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:55,160
Speaker 34: and everything else. If he's not all in and he's

2090
01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 34: your guide, then you've got to start back at square one.

2091
01:50:58,160 --> 01:50:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think part of it too is now

2092
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:03,240
Speaker 3: two years in a row in which you're missing the playoffs.

2093
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:04,840
Speaker 3: I know it's ultimately three years in a row. The

2094
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:07,200
Speaker 3: first year they were playing pretty good, and that was

2095
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:09,559
Speaker 3: just like a crazy injury and then to play as

2096
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:11,760
Speaker 3: good as he did last year. I think there's at

2097
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:13,960
Speaker 3: least okay, I can hang my hat on. I had

2098
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:16,839
Speaker 3: an awesome season, but we just didn't have the horses.

2099
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:19,840
Speaker 3: And now it's like I got hurt again. I feel

2100
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:21,880
Speaker 3: I still feel like I'm good enough, and it feels

2101
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 3: like we're further away on defense than we were a

2102
01:51:24,120 --> 01:51:26,519
Speaker 3: year ago. And that's got to be difficult for him

2103
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 3: to deal with, especially losing the way they did at Buffalo.

2104
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:32,000
Speaker 3: So I'm sure, yeah, that losing just wears on you.

2105
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:34,920
Speaker 3: And when he is responsible and a lot of people

2106
01:51:34,960 --> 01:51:36,760
Speaker 3: felt like he was for the way that things went

2107
01:51:36,840 --> 01:51:41,240
Speaker 3: in Buffalo and then responsible for the way things win

2108
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:43,439
Speaker 3: against Baltimore, it's just a tough few weeks.

2109
01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:43,599
Speaker 5: For the guy.

2110
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:44,880
Speaker 12: Sure.

2111
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:45,480
Speaker 6: Absolutely.

2112
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,160
Speaker 34: In that Buffalo game, you got nine minutes left, he's

2113
01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:50,439
Speaker 34: giving you a twenty eight to eighteen lead, and then

2114
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 34: you let Buffalo score a touchdown on four plays, a

2115
01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:55,560
Speaker 34: forty yard touchdown run by Josh Allen. He's probably like,

2116
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 34: can we do better than that? I mean, he's going

2117
01:51:57,200 --> 01:51:59,720
Speaker 34: to probably score touchdown there, Josh Allen, but let him

2118
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:02,040
Speaker 34: go nine, ten, eleven plays like you and Tony talked

2119
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:04,320
Speaker 34: about right after the game. Let's not make it look

2120
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 34: like a maddens I think, uh. And then all of

2121
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:09,000
Speaker 34: a sudden, the bad read and then the pick pass

2122
01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:10,880
Speaker 34: and it all falls on him like it always does.

2123
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:12,840
Speaker 34: He almost has to play perfect, the one he has

2124
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:15,560
Speaker 34: to play perfect for them to win. That's an incredible amount.

2125
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:16,600
Speaker 4: Of pressure on one person, it is.

2126
01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:18,880
Speaker 3: And John, thank you for the phone call. And I agree,

2127
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:21,920
Speaker 3: like if you're if that's part of the pressure, you

2128
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:23,960
Speaker 3: know that that can wear on someone as well.

2129
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 5: And you know he's a human being just like the

2130
01:52:27,080 --> 01:52:29,800
Speaker 5: rest of us. Let's go to Mike in LA. What's up, Mike.

2131
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:34,719
Speaker 15: I hope my buddy John's still listening up in Boston.

2132
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:35,679
Speaker 5: Boston.

2133
01:52:35,800 --> 01:52:38,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, the God.

2134
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 12: John.

2135
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:42,280
Speaker 15: I've learned to like you, but typically I don't like

2136
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:46,400
Speaker 15: any Celtics fans. I hate the Celtic fans and the

2137
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:49,599
Speaker 15: bull crep Shenanigans. You folks used to pull up there

2138
01:52:49,640 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 15: in the garden with the crappy little dressing rooms and

2139
01:52:54,040 --> 01:52:57,560
Speaker 15: turn off the air conditioning. Just a bunch of hoodlums

2140
01:52:57,600 --> 01:52:59,559
Speaker 15: in Boston. I'm sure you're not one of them, John,

2141
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:00,920
Speaker 15: But have a great Christmas.

2142
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 5: Well, you know that you know how it is up there.

2143
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:08,160
Speaker 3: You know the Belichick stuff, you know, cheating Football's spygate.

2144
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 5: That's just what they do up there, Mike.

2145
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:11,760
Speaker 15: They're all paranoid.

2146
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:13,200
Speaker 24: Yeah.

2147
01:53:16,240 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 15: Sorry, John, I'm sorry, buddy. We love you, John. I'll

2148
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 15: tell you what. We whipped a dreaded hornets about him

2149
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:24,840
Speaker 15: the State with.

2150
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 3: I think like I think they're like three and nineteenth

2152
01:53:30,439 --> 01:53:32,839
Speaker 3: on the kin Pom defensive rankings.

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01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:38,840
Speaker 15: So and Wes Nollerd does really a pretty good rebounding team. Yeah,

2154
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:42,519
Speaker 15: when they played, when they played in JV teams or whatever.

2155
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,479
Speaker 15: But I'll tell you I still follow Nick Cronin because

2156
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:49,879
Speaker 15: I just love Nick. And he's finally got some shooters

2157
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:53,200
Speaker 15: out there now, and he has really never had many shooters,

2158
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:55,800
Speaker 15: so he finally got some shooters. And of course he

2159
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:58,080
Speaker 15: always you know, his team's always played good DSA. They

2160
01:53:58,120 --> 01:54:00,559
Speaker 15: whipped a snot out of air in the State, which

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01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:02,400
Speaker 15: is a pretty good team last night. So I just

2162
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:05,240
Speaker 15: always root for Mick. And you should like Mick. He's

2163
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:06,639
Speaker 15: in the ball club, brother.

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01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:09,639
Speaker 3: That's right, we got our bald brothers, got to stick together.

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01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:10,800
Speaker 3: I got no beef with Mick.

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01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:11,639
Speaker 5: I like Mick.

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01:54:13,120 --> 01:54:16,680
Speaker 15: Old school man. I loved it. Dude, if you had

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01:54:16,720 --> 01:54:20,479
Speaker 15: to pick now, who would be your Super Bowl picks.

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01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:25,799
Speaker 5: I would say, right now, I'm gonna say Seahawks and Bills.

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01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:28,479
Speaker 14: Wow.

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Speaker 15: Well, I can understand that completely. And the reason you're

2172
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:39,320
Speaker 15: picking Buffalo over h Denver is because of the offense, right.

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01:54:39,560 --> 01:54:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just gonna trust Josh Allen And that's tough

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01:54:42,600 --> 01:54:44,800
Speaker 3: because that, I mean, that defensive front in Denver is

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01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:48,160
Speaker 3: so good. Sean Payton obviously is experienced, but I feel

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01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:50,680
Speaker 3: like maybe just the year that Buffalo gets over the

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01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:54,840
Speaker 3: hump and then you know, I'm assuming Seattle is gonna

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01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:56,800
Speaker 3: win tonight. So if Seattle wins tonight, I think they

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01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,480
Speaker 3: have the easiest pass easiest pass the Super Bowl.

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01:55:00,400 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think without DeVante that is going to make

2181
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:06,680
Speaker 15: a difference for them tonight. Do you think Houston front

2182
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:09,280
Speaker 15: four is better than Denver's? Do you think Houston's is

2183
01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:10,240
Speaker 15: the best in football?

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01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:10,800
Speaker 6: I do.

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01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:11,680
Speaker 5: I don't know that.

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01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:16,080
Speaker 3: I think it's a pretty close, uh comparison, but I

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01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:18,760
Speaker 3: do think I would give it to Houston by a couple.

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01:55:20,680 --> 01:55:22,920
Speaker 15: And actually the Rams front for is pretty good. It's

2189
01:55:22,920 --> 01:55:24,960
Speaker 15: a miracle how they got both those kids out of

2190
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:27,120
Speaker 15: Florida State in the same year verse and fisk.

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01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:28,200
Speaker 5: Yeah verse.

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01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:32,280
Speaker 15: Verse is a beast, isn't they? But that doesn't happen

2193
01:55:32,360 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 15: too often, does it?

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01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 4: Awes work.

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01:55:34,400 --> 01:55:37,960
Speaker 15: We'll take two linemen in the same draft. Oh, that

2196
01:55:38,120 --> 01:55:41,320
Speaker 15: was another sparkling conversation on my behalf. So you have

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01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:41,920
Speaker 15: a good thing.

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Speaker 5: I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: Mike, Thank you, buddy. That is our guy, Mike in

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01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:49,880
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. We'll go from one sparkling conversation to another.

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01:55:49,960 --> 01:55:53,040
Speaker 3: We go from Mike in LA to Chad Brindle, Bearcat

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01:55:53,120 --> 01:55:55,520
Speaker 3: Journal dot Com and sitting in the big chair for

2203
01:55:55,680 --> 01:55:58,360
Speaker 3: Moeggar this afternoon. He's next for quick hits right here

2204
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:00,040
Speaker 3: on the Home of the Bengals ESPN fifty There.

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01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:03,120
Speaker 5: Wck LII, Cincinnati.

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01:56:03,880 --> 01:56:07,240
Speaker 2: Now it's time for a quick hits on Tony Tykes

2207
01:56:07,320 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 2: since three.

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01:56:09,640 --> 01:56:13,600
Speaker 3: Yes, indeed it is. Normally we'd be looking for MO,

2209
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 3: but now we've got Chad Brindle. Chad in the seat

2210
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:21,400
Speaker 3: for MO this afternoon for the moegger Radio Show. Hi Chad,

2211
01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:21,760
Speaker 3: how are you?

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01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:23,320
Speaker 5: I'm delightful.

2213
01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:25,200
Speaker 26: I feel like it's been a long time since I've

2214
01:56:25,240 --> 01:56:28,160
Speaker 26: seen you. I haven't been around much likely and it

2215
01:56:28,240 --> 01:56:30,120
Speaker 26: feels like the days like we've missed each other.

2216
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:33,400
Speaker 5: You guys are out or you're you know, well, some

2217
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:35,440
Speaker 5: would say at this time of the year, you're busier

2218
01:56:35,480 --> 01:56:38,520
Speaker 5: than a one armed wallpaper hanger. It's crossover. Season is

2219
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 5: a lot.

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01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:42,640
Speaker 26: It's a lot, but you know it's you make up

2221
01:56:42,680 --> 01:56:45,040
Speaker 26: for it, like in the summer when you can go

2222
01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:47,200
Speaker 26: do things and have a little bit of a life.

2223
01:56:47,320 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 26: Not a lot of a life, but a little bit

2224
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:51,240
Speaker 26: of a life. You pay for it and ever sure, yeah,

2225
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:55,360
Speaker 26: did we like learn anything about the Bearcats last night?

2226
01:56:55,400 --> 01:57:00,280
Speaker 26: I mean, Alabama State stinks, but like, probably not. How

2227
01:57:00,360 --> 01:57:04,280
Speaker 26: much of a difference does Jiggle James make? Look do

2228
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:07,560
Speaker 26: we know it makes a difference. I don't know how

2229
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:10,440
Speaker 26: much yet, But let's let's be honest about something.

2230
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:10,800
Speaker 5: Austin.

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01:57:11,800 --> 01:57:13,240
Speaker 26: You know where they rank in the Big twelve and

2232
01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:17,120
Speaker 26: two point field goal percentage? Probably not not at the top. Last, Oh,

2233
01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:18,840
Speaker 26: you know where they rank in the Big twelve and

2234
01:57:18,920 --> 01:57:20,160
Speaker 26: three point field goal percentage.

2235
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:21,800
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say last. Last.

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01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 26: You know where they rank in the Big twelve and

2237
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:27,480
Speaker 26: free throw percentage? Last, definitely last. You know where they

2238
01:57:27,560 --> 01:57:29,000
Speaker 26: rank in turnover percentage?

2239
01:57:29,320 --> 01:57:29,600
Speaker 5: First?

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Speaker 26: Last, Oh, they turn it over more than anythy in

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01:57:32,360 --> 01:57:35,680
Speaker 26: the Big twelve, Like this offense stinks. Yeah, so if

2242
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:38,080
Speaker 26: you can bring back your leading scorer from last year,

2243
01:57:38,840 --> 01:57:41,840
Speaker 26: it helps. How much like my biggest concern with Jiggle

2244
01:57:41,960 --> 01:57:45,240
Speaker 26: Jigsel James all along James.

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01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:47,360
Speaker 5: No, I like that. Yeah, that's better than.

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01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:56,520
Speaker 26: Jingle James. It's his efficiency. He has not been, to

2247
01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:59,000
Speaker 26: this point in his UC career an efficient player. He

2248
01:57:59,200 --> 01:58:03,000
Speaker 26: shoots under thirty percent from three, He loves long twos,

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01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:07,400
Speaker 26: he doesn't get to the free throw line. So those

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01:58:07,480 --> 01:58:09,440
Speaker 26: are all like, yeah, other than that, how is the

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01:58:09,480 --> 01:58:10,040
Speaker 26: play missake?

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01:58:10,280 --> 01:58:10,440
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:15,720
Speaker 5: Exactly. So there are still concerns. But you add another guy.

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01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:19,400
Speaker 26: That can get you fifteen twelve, fifteen points a game

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01:58:19,480 --> 01:58:23,160
Speaker 26: on average, with as bad as the offense has been,

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01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:25,440
Speaker 26: it's gonna help some What if.

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01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:27,760
Speaker 5: Bob Bob goes for twenty six and fourteen every night,

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01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:29,720
Speaker 5: If he gets eight dunks and goes eleven to twelve

2259
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:32,160
Speaker 5: from the field, I feel pretty good about eight dunks

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01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:33,000
Speaker 5: is a pretty good night.

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01:58:33,200 --> 01:58:33,680
Speaker 4: Pretty good.

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01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:36,000
Speaker 26: That's one thing I do love, you know how like

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01:58:36,440 --> 01:58:41,400
Speaker 26: fans generally don't grasp the concept of like you're playing

2264
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:44,920
Speaker 26: really high level basketball, you don't get just dunk it.

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01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:48,240
Speaker 26: Bob Out genuinely is one of those guys that does

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01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:51,120
Speaker 26: what fans want to do. He trish to dunk in

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01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:54,680
Speaker 26: at every opportunity. I can appreciate that. So he did

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01:58:54,720 --> 01:58:57,160
Speaker 26: it last night. Eight dunks is usually pretty good. I

2269
01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:01,120
Speaker 26: said last night on the aftermath our postgame show, He's

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01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:02,840
Speaker 26: probably not gonna have eight dunks in the game the

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01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:05,120
Speaker 26: rest of the year, And Aaron said, why not, Well,

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01:59:05,160 --> 01:59:07,160
Speaker 26: it's hard to have eight dunks in the gamer, so

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01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:11,080
Speaker 26: everybody would do it. Yeah, but but it was at

2274
01:59:11,200 --> 01:59:14,160
Speaker 26: least for a night. Look, man, they got twenty games left, right.

2275
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:18,400
Speaker 26: Eighteen of them are big twelve games. One of them

2276
01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:21,520
Speaker 26: is Clemson on Sunday. The other is lipscumb who gave

2277
01:59:21,640 --> 01:59:25,919
Speaker 26: Duke fits the other night. So you got twenty difficult

2278
01:59:25,960 --> 01:59:27,880
Speaker 26: games left. We might not get to have a whole

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01:59:27,920 --> 01:59:31,640
Speaker 26: lot of happy postgame shows. Sure between here and the

2280
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:34,080
Speaker 26: end of the season. I'm gonna enjoy it for a day.

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01:59:34,400 --> 01:59:37,360
Speaker 5: Have you, at any point in your life ever been

2282
01:59:37,400 --> 01:59:38,840
Speaker 5: able to dunk on a ten foot room?

2283
01:59:39,160 --> 01:59:39,200
Speaker 33: No?

2284
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:39,760
Speaker 6: I could.

2285
01:59:40,160 --> 01:59:42,920
Speaker 5: Back in the day, I could, Like fingertips, I could.

2286
01:59:43,080 --> 01:59:47,720
Speaker 5: I could. What's your single greatest athletic accomplishment? A laser

2287
01:59:47,880 --> 01:59:51,880
Speaker 5: time four three nine? Really? You was picking them up

2288
01:59:51,880 --> 01:59:52,560
Speaker 5: and laying them down.

2289
01:59:52,720 --> 01:59:57,520
Speaker 26: I was really fast, especially short like like a hundred

2290
01:59:57,640 --> 01:59:58,880
Speaker 26: when you ran one hundred meters.

2291
01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:01,880
Speaker 5: Sure, the guys with the long legs would eventually.

2292
02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:05,560
Speaker 26: Overtake me at about eighty meters, but off the start

2293
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:08,640
Speaker 26: and to like the halfway point, I could pick them

2294
02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:09,360
Speaker 26: up and put them down.

2295
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:13,560
Speaker 3: I never got caught stealing a base respect in baseball. Now,

2296
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:15,880
Speaker 3: how often did you get the first base? Were you know,

2297
02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:17,480
Speaker 3: like a Billy Hamilton thing or not?

2298
02:00:17,720 --> 02:00:18,400
Speaker 13: You know what I was?

2299
02:00:18,640 --> 02:00:22,240
Speaker 26: I was a master bunter. Oh, I could bunt to

2300
02:00:22,280 --> 02:00:25,720
Speaker 26: get pause there, yeah, master bunter.

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02:00:26,320 --> 02:00:26,640
Speaker 5: I could.

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Speaker 26: I could put it third, short, second, first, like where

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02:00:30,360 --> 02:00:33,240
Speaker 26: I felt the advantage was. Baseball was your sport. Yeah,

2304
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:34,560
Speaker 26: oh I did not want to. I want to not

2305
02:00:34,680 --> 02:00:37,080
Speaker 26: hoole city championship. Did you really that's a big deal

2306
02:00:37,160 --> 02:00:41,040
Speaker 26: in the master jewelers. Oh my gosh, master bunters, masters,

2307
02:00:41,160 --> 02:00:42,000
Speaker 26: master jewelers.

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Speaker 35: Yeah.

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02:00:42,520 --> 02:00:45,720
Speaker 5: I had one home run in my whole career.

2310
02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:48,040
Speaker 26: I hit it into the wind at CUVCAF High School

2311
02:00:48,600 --> 02:00:50,200
Speaker 26: and we were playing like our rival.

2312
02:00:50,240 --> 02:00:53,240
Speaker 5: It was like our big rival. Yes, and you know

2313
02:00:53,440 --> 02:00:56,200
Speaker 5: it's kids, you know, on both.

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02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:59,240
Speaker 26: Teams, and literally everybody in the entire place When that

2315
02:00:59,320 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 26: ball went over, the including me, looked at each other

2316
02:01:01,640 --> 02:01:02,880
Speaker 26: and went, what just happened?

2317
02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:03,000
Speaker 4: What?

2318
02:01:03,600 --> 02:01:03,640
Speaker 6: What?

2319
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:04,960
Speaker 30: What?

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Speaker 26: That's awesome? What do you got coming up on the

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Speaker 26: show this afternoon. We're gonna talk some We're gonna talk

2322
02:01:10,600 --> 02:01:15,720
Speaker 26: some bear Cats, talk some Muskies. Look, man, Mama said

2323
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:18,320
Speaker 26: there'd be days like that. There's these They're just not

2324
02:01:18,640 --> 02:01:21,440
Speaker 26: great teams, either of them. So there are gonna be

2325
02:01:22,600 --> 02:01:25,640
Speaker 26: nights that that nothing goes right correct, and last night

2326
02:01:25,800 --> 02:01:28,640
Speaker 26: was a nothing goes right night for Xavier.

2327
02:01:28,720 --> 02:01:32,040
Speaker 5: You gotta kind of roll it up and throw it away.

2328
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:32,960
Speaker 5: This is what I will say.

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Speaker 26: What have we seen so far through the first thirty

2330
02:01:36,640 --> 02:01:38,440
Speaker 26: plus percent of the season for Xavier?

2331
02:01:39,120 --> 02:01:40,600
Speaker 5: Richard Patino's had some answers.

2332
02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:40,920
Speaker 15: Yeah.

2333
02:01:41,120 --> 02:01:43,800
Speaker 26: True, He's been able to course correct, He's been able

2334
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:45,000
Speaker 26: to get him back on track.

2335
02:01:46,720 --> 02:01:48,280
Speaker 5: Last night was frustrating. Last night.

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02:01:48,360 --> 02:01:50,360
Speaker 26: I didn't get to see it because I was obviously

2337
02:01:50,440 --> 02:01:57,520
Speaker 26: at the return of Jiggle James m but just from

2338
02:01:57,560 --> 02:02:01,640
Speaker 26: the sounds and reading everything about it, just a night

2339
02:02:01,720 --> 02:02:04,640
Speaker 26: where absolutely nothing went your way.

2340
02:02:04,760 --> 02:02:07,200
Speaker 5: And sometimes that happens. So we'll talk about that. I've

2341
02:02:07,240 --> 02:02:08,280
Speaker 5: got to. I've got to.

2342
02:02:08,840 --> 02:02:12,120
Speaker 26: I'm interested to hear your your take on this, We've

2343
02:02:12,160 --> 02:02:16,160
Speaker 26: heard a lot about the the inner workings of Joe

2344
02:02:16,240 --> 02:02:20,120
Speaker 26: Burrow's brain and what it means in terms of the

2345
02:02:20,200 --> 02:02:23,200
Speaker 26: Bengals and the front office and what he's happy with

2346
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:24,400
Speaker 26: and what he's not happy with.

2347
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:27,000
Speaker 5: How much of that do you think is Joe going

2348
02:02:28,120 --> 02:02:28,640
Speaker 5: some of it me.

2349
02:02:29,960 --> 02:02:32,640
Speaker 26: I've asked for a lot, They've given me everything I've

2350
02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:37,000
Speaker 26: asked for, and this ain't exactly working the way that

2351
02:02:37,120 --> 02:02:40,040
Speaker 26: it should. Do you think some of that introspection is

2352
02:02:40,160 --> 02:02:43,920
Speaker 26: him dealing with I'm not a general manager, I'm not

2353
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:45,760
Speaker 26: a coach, I'm a quarterback.

2354
02:02:46,040 --> 02:02:49,400
Speaker 3: I'm sure that there is self reflection at all levels.

2355
02:02:49,560 --> 02:02:52,080
Speaker 3: We haven't talked about that quarterback, Yeah, we haven't. And

2356
02:02:52,280 --> 02:02:53,760
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of people out there that

2357
02:02:54,600 --> 02:02:56,880
Speaker 3: don't know Joe Burrow, that think they know Joe Burrow.

2358
02:02:57,120 --> 02:02:59,360
Speaker 3: That has led to a lot of this conversation and

2359
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:00,480
Speaker 3: nobody really knows him.

2360
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:04,360
Speaker 5: But it's good stuff. We'll be listening this afternoon. Thanks Chad,

2361
02:03:04,640 --> 02:03:05,400
Speaker 5: Thank you. Austin.

2362
02:03:05,480 --> 02:03:07,920
Speaker 3: Tony's back tomorrow for a Friday football frenzy on the

2363
02:03:07,960 --> 02:03:11,440
Speaker 3: home of the Bengals, Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty Tony Pikes.

2364
02:03:11,480 --> 02:03:12,280
Speaker 5: Since he thirst.

2365
02:03:16,160 --> 02:03:27,160
Speaker 35: Tony rint Friend, I don't know what to.

2366
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:37,960
Speaker 36: Do Downy Rintz fight stubborn odors in just one wash

2367
02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:40,680
Speaker 36: when impossible odors get stuck in Prince

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Speaker 5: Cincinnati's family sports grill is