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Speaker 1: Here, Bayard dan Fee, Kidnap Bailey Tonight on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: Paul Dayner Junior is here, and we are so soaked

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Speaker 4: to talk to him because in fifty five minutes, theoretically

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Speaker 4: Paul's here. In an hour, we have on Derek Cardy

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Speaker 4: Derek Carty over the weekend. You know, this is the

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Speaker 4: This is really exciting. You could watch a radio show,

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Have you thought with Derek Carty maybe

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Speaker 4: We're going to sort of have to to get a

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Speaker 2: So it's not great to be the villain of the week.

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Speaker 4: No, but I told him that on I DMed him

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Speaker 4: And I DM him and I'm like, hey, man, I'm

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Speaker 4: And he's like, yeah, sure, no problem, And I'm like, cool,

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Speaker 2: I just have questions. I appreciate somebody willing to come

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Speaker 4: Then when I announced on social media Derek is joining

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Speaker 4: No, No, that's not Get him and say you have

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Speaker 4: this take, I want to know more about it. Explain

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Speaker 4: let's have a fun, friendly conversation about baseball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's we're allowed to just discuss it like rational people.

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Speaker 4: We're by the way, Paul Danner Junior covering the Bengals

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Speaker 4: for the Athletic dot Com. He's got the Growler podcast.

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Speaker 2: He's so good. Can't believe he didn't want me today.

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Speaker 2: So why shouldn't I want them to keep them? Because

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Speaker 2: saying it feels like maybe that ship has sailed on

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Speaker 2: You've forgot the last fact on that story there, Bengals

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Speaker 2: be almost worth it, man, almost almost. It's fine. It's fine.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he can he could take my spot every Tuesday

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Speaker 4: I went along that segment, which means this segment is short.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do them here. Okay, you want me to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the NFLPA report cards being made public, that's done.

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Speaker 2: Look, there's a long line of history and stories you

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Speaker 4: I didn't know if Nick Lache was conducting a media tour.

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Speaker 2: Say what is he then currently actively has a song

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Speaker 4: who's the guy who the Internet just destroyed over the

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Speaker 4: weekend ESPN betting writer who said the Reds are not

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Speaker 4: going to win a lot of games and they're going

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Speaker 4: to have a bad pitching rotation, and then he was

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Speaker 4: bullied into changing his mind.

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Speaker 2: That is coming up at four oh five. Have you

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Speaker 2: ever been an Internet villain? Yeah, just recently. I was

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Speaker 2: not bullied into changing my mind though, so my stand

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Speaker 2: still still is in place. Do you want to elaborate

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Speaker 2: on that? No, or pivot to what's next? I want

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Speaker 2: to it's your show. You drive him, right, I'm just

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Speaker 2: in the passenger seat. Take me where you want to go.

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Speaker 2: Let's go. Let's talk about your mock draft. Okay, first

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Speaker 2: of how many? How many were we gonna have? Well?

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Speaker 2: This so this is zero point five, zero point five,

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Speaker 2: there will probably be I did. We had a beat

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Speaker 2: writer one today just with the first round. So it's

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Speaker 2: just the first round pick, which I had to do,

484
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Speaker 2: which is an interesting decision. And then I'll have another

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Speaker 2: one before free agency zero point seventy five. Okay, one

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Speaker 2: another one before free agency, so I keep. And then

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Speaker 2: the post free agency mock draft is the first real

488
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Speaker 2: big one. And after that and then there's usually we

489
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Speaker 2: usually get into the three or four range. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: but that's like the first where you can make the

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Speaker 2: accurate seven round deal because we know the path that

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Speaker 2: they need to go to get to you know, the

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Speaker 2: starting roster.

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Speaker 4: All right, this will not make you an Internet villain

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Speaker 4: because you have them in the first round taking rubin Dan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wouldn't that be nice? That'd be awesome. I went

497
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Speaker 2: off of Dane's top one hundred just to give some parameters,

498
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Speaker 2: because you can say whatever, but I used as an

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Speaker 2: eighty percent rule. Anything as eighty percent to where their

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Speaker 2: actual pick is. Put the universe of players out there,

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Speaker 2: and Bain was he has not hit him nine. Talk

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Speaker 2: about a storyline of the combine next week is how

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Speaker 2: long is arms? How freak right, and it's like you

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Speaker 2: feel like the Bengals are gonna be like trying to

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Speaker 2: push the tape measure in a little bit to try

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Speaker 2: to I don't know. I heard it was like twenty

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Speaker 2: seven inches. We've never seen that. It's not even human. Uh,

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00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: they would love it because though they would love to

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Speaker 2: see that be the reason he falls out. I don't

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Speaker 2: know that that's gonna happen, but it's gonna be a

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Speaker 2: really interesting topic to hear how it lands in Indie

512
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Speaker 2: with coaches and evaluators because his production is certainly speaks

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Speaker 2: for itself and they would love to be able to

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Speaker 2: see him.

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Speaker 9: Be the guy.

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Speaker 2: We did our mock draft today and most of the

517
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Speaker 2: names that people really like to see, Caleb Downs, Rubin Bain, Bailey,

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Speaker 2: all these kind of are all gone. And I kind

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Speaker 2: of came down to a decision between Sunny Styles at

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Speaker 2: linebacker from Ohio State and man Sword Delaye. I'm not great.

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Speaker 2: I haven't done the pronunciation key on him yet. The

522
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Speaker 2: cornerback smells you who's the number one cornerback in the league.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting topic because if you come down to that,

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Speaker 2: what do you do right premium number one player at

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Speaker 2: a premium position or playmaker at a non premium position,

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Speaker 2: but maybe the better overall player but less valuable and

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Speaker 2: what is more important to you and to me, like

528
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Speaker 2: we're also fresh off the rookie linebacker experience and so

529
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Speaker 2: no one wants to have to start doing that again.

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Speaker 2: But it's different when you're talking about a guy who

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Speaker 2: you would take ten overall. But to me it is

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Speaker 2: the tiebreaker is what happens in free agency because if

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Speaker 2: you are able to take care of that position and

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Speaker 2: feel like you don't need starters in what we talk about,

535
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Speaker 2: actually check your boxes off in free agency so you

536
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Speaker 2: can be best player available. You have the luxury of

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Speaker 2: taking the number one corner who gives you depth at

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Speaker 2: that a premium position, who gives you certainly that's type

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Speaker 2: of player you take to go win in January, right

540
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Speaker 2: because not everyone's going to make a Dax Hill and

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Speaker 2: DJ and two guys in the last year. There are

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Speaker 2: contracts you're in negotiations with. Doesn't force your hand on

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Speaker 2: those in case you're like thinking down the line, but

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Speaker 2: you build out a deep team and a deep roster

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Speaker 2: capable of playing and winning in December and January by

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Speaker 2: doing things like that, and it's a move the Bengals

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Speaker 2: have made a lot, and so it's intriguing. But if

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Speaker 2: you're like, are we really running to Metrius Knight and

549
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Speaker 2: Barrett carterback out there again? Yeah, you're like throw sunny

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Speaker 2: styles into the mix. So I think it's a really

551
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Speaker 2: interesting situation where if you are in that grouping, that

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Speaker 2: next grouping where you would want to go, and I

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Speaker 2: you know, it'll be interesting to you know, tap into

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Speaker 2: what Duke Tobin and Zach Taylor have to say in

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Speaker 2: terms of non premium positions and some of their feelings

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Speaker 2: on that. If maybe that's changed after last year.

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Speaker 4: When I watch smart people break down Caleb Down's tape,

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Speaker 4: I almost get aroused easy. I mean, I'm you know,

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Speaker 4: I didn't, I wasn't graphic, but it becomes impossible for

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Speaker 4: me to stop thinking about what he would do for

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Speaker 4: the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: He would obviously have to be there.

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Speaker 4: But when you watch and I'm sure you could do

564
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Speaker 4: this with all the other players you just mentioned, but

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Speaker 4: it kind of felt like there was a time last

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Speaker 4: week where a lot of the tape heads were focusing

567
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Speaker 4: in on Caleb Downs and watching some of that content.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I'm spoiled after watching two years of Genostone. I

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Speaker 4: don't know, but like, how do you not get excited

570
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Speaker 4: about the possibility of what that could mean for the

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Speaker 4: Bengals if he was there at ten?

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Speaker 2: He's exactly the type of player they need. Yes he is.

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Speaker 2: He's a floor razer, he's a culture setter, He's a

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Speaker 2: super intelligent guy that's going to be a professional from

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Speaker 2: the moment he walks in. Yeah, he's the type of

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Speaker 2: guy that you can build your defense around in terms

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Speaker 2: of the instinctual way that he plays and the way

578
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Speaker 2: he carries himself. That's his from the day he walked

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Speaker 2: into the door at Ohio State. And when you throw

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Speaker 2: that just feels like stuff they need more of. And

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Speaker 2: I don't care what position he plays, especially when it's

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Speaker 2: a position that is becoming more premium by the year

583
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Speaker 2: in this league the way that we've seen the league trend,

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Speaker 2: so I he just seems like a no brainer if

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Speaker 2: he's there at ten. I just think it's a it's

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Speaker 2: a shame for the Bengals that this isn't a better

587
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Speaker 2: year in the top ten where he you could say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Caleb Downs should be there because he's in a quote

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Speaker 2: unquote non premium position. It's just it's a lot harder

590
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Speaker 2: to see that when you know, we were going through

591
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Speaker 2: this exercise with the Athletic writers and it was the

592
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Speaker 2: person with the six overall pick was like willing to

593
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Speaker 2: trade down. The person with fifth came in next, me too,

594
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Speaker 2: fourth was like, I'll get out everybody. You know what

595
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Speaker 2: he wants. So you're gonna end up being like, I

596
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Speaker 2: know it's a non premium position, but I'll take Caleb down.

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Speaker 2: That feels like how this goes with somebody in the

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Speaker 2: top ten, So we don't. I'm just I understand what

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Speaker 2: you're saying.

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Speaker 4: But oh, if the if your consolation prize is that, dude,

601
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Speaker 4: are you kidding me?

602
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, find me an NFL team he doesn't help immediately. Yeah,

603
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Speaker 2: there's there's no doubt. And I it's hard to envision

604
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Speaker 2: a better fit uh than here, because it's just he's

605
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Speaker 2: he's perfectly made for what they most need.

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Speaker 4: The Reuben Baine arm size discussion that will be had

607
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Speaker 4: next week. Right, So for the Bengals last year, it

608
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Speaker 4: was they couldn't get past Samar Stewart having all these

609
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Speaker 4: amazing physical traits, right, and then now it's you know,

610
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Speaker 4: maybe they should lean into the production on the field.

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Speaker 4: Does that Is that the same if now there's like

612
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Speaker 4: a genuine question about the physical trade, right, well, will

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Speaker 4: it be Will that be a disqualifier for them? Will

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Speaker 4: that be something that they just it's a tie breaker. Yes,

615
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Speaker 4: show me whatever tape you want, show me the the

616
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Speaker 4: level of disruption he provided playing college football. But sorry,

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Speaker 4: the arms are too small. That feels like something that

618
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Speaker 4: they would do if you buy that what they did

619
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Speaker 4: last year is going to be the template they use

620
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Speaker 4: moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you know, they would look at

622
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Speaker 2: their own personal examples of guys like Trey Hendrickson and

623
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Speaker 2: on the interior Geno Atkins who have had short arms notably,

624
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Speaker 2: and it's been part of the reason why they slipped

625
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Speaker 2: down the draft. But I mean, if there was a

626
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Speaker 2: team that knows that it's not that big of a deal,

627
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Speaker 2: it would be the Bengals. Two of their top sack

628
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Speaker 2: artists of all time had this issue. But yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 2: I mean they would want bigger, faster, longer, stronger that

630
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Speaker 2: all that stuff. So it's a question if if your

631
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Speaker 2: team Shamar Stuart, how can you be team Rubin Baine necessarily.

632
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Speaker 2: I do think there's a middle ground there. But yeah,

633
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Speaker 2: I really am curious about what the Shamar Stuart impact

634
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Speaker 2: is a little bit, if there, if there is one,

635
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Speaker 2: because you know, not just that and obviously the amount

636
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Speaker 2: of time it took Miles uh to try to start

637
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Speaker 2: to come along, you know, if that is leaving more

638
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Speaker 2: of an impact than it had in the past, and

639
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Speaker 2: where Ruben Bain fits in that. I still think they

640
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Speaker 2: look at Bain and say that's enough. The production is

641
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Speaker 2: more than enough to overlook some of the other stuff.

642
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Speaker 2: Though at the end of the day, did you watch

643
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Speaker 2: him play football?

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Speaker 4: I mean that would be that would be like, all right,

645
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Speaker 4: bring out the tape measure, give me to the exact

646
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Speaker 4: centimeter how long his arms are? Cool, then let's let's

647
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Speaker 4: turn off. Let's put let's flip on this screen and

648
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Speaker 4: put the tape on of him at Miami, Like stop

649
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Speaker 4: telling me about the short arms?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Like sorry, well, and especially and like we just said,

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Speaker 2: especially when you're talking about a year where you're you're

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Speaker 2: at ten and you're willing to settle for deficiencies, when

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Speaker 2: you're talking about who's even gonna be if that was

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Speaker 2: a real thing you're like, whatever the production is enough,

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Speaker 2: especially when you're comparing it to what you're settling for

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Speaker 2: if you're going in another direction.

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Speaker 4: Your fellow Beat writers that the Athletic went through a

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Speaker 4: list of for every team potential cap casualties, and some

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Speaker 4: of those names seemed inevitable, some seemed like, you know, possibilities,

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Speaker 4: some intriguing, some maybe a little bit less so. But

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Speaker 4: you've pointed out like, if you look at that list

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Speaker 4: of players who could be cut by other teams, there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of guys that would make sense to wonder

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Speaker 4: should the Bengals be interested and would they be a

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Speaker 4: good fit. Here, Give me one or two of those

666
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Speaker 4: names that jumped to the top of the list for years.

667
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Speaker 4: It relates to this team. Rashawan Gary from Green Bay,

668
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Speaker 4: who Matt Schneidman our Green Bay Riders said, I don't

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Speaker 4: see him on the team this next year. Now, Rashwan

670
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Speaker 4: has one hundred and seventy five pressures and twenty six

671
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Speaker 4: acts the last three years.

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Speaker 2: He fell off a little bit at the tail end

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Speaker 2: of last season. But you know, they're paying Michael Parsons

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Speaker 2: a lot of money and they have other guys. I

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Speaker 2: think they're potentially looking to cut and can save a

676
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Speaker 2: lot of money by letting him go. Sean Gary Jerry

677
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Speaker 2: Montgomery was his coach when he had his kind of

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Speaker 2: coming out party in Green Bay, and the Bengals love

679
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: that stuff. They a feeling like they know the guy

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00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: and so that and the production that he's had he's

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Speaker 2: twenty eight years old, is certainly a name that if

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Speaker 2: he became available because they just let him go, or

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Speaker 2: because there was a possibility to pull some kind of

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Speaker 2: a trade for him and take on it, that would

685
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Speaker 2: be a name that would be certainly be pretty intriguing

686
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 2: and would be a fit for what you traditionally see

687
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Speaker 2: the Bengals. It kind of reminds me of like when

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Speaker 2: Orlando Brown fell into their lap a little bit, where

689
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Speaker 2: it's like he's a really good player. Now he might

690
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Speaker 2: not be at the top tip, but he's like more

691
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Speaker 2: than enough for what you're looking for. Yeah, and then

692
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Speaker 2: when you add in a guy that might have a

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Speaker 2: connection to your defensive line coach that you really like.

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Speaker 2: That was the most intriguing one that I was expecting

695
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Speaker 2: to see that stood out on the list, certainly, But

696
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Speaker 2: there there was, but that one that one stood out

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Speaker 2: to me, how long are his arms? I don't care.

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Speaker 2: So once they've gotten to the NFL, we no longer.

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Speaker 2: I don't care anymore. I don't care anymore. I saw,

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Speaker 2: I saw, you know, one hundred and seventy five pressures

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Speaker 2: and twenty six acts, I said their mother, I'm good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, perfect, don't don't need to worry about that.

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Speaker 4: You had them cutting BJ Hill. Now this is an

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Speaker 4: exercise where like you have to have somebody right. You

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Speaker 4: couldn't say, well, they're not going to cut anything. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they asked most like essentially like most likely, so most

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Speaker 4: likely for that exercise. But is that a likely decision

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Speaker 4: they make? No, I don't think it's a likely decision.

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Speaker 4: I I think it's one that you could see them

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Speaker 4: making if they it's an is there an upgrade out there?

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Speaker 4: Because then Chris Jenkins could be your rotational backup guy

712
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Speaker 4: and you're using BJ Hill's money to get whatever the

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Speaker 4: other guy is.

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Speaker 2: Another like, Kenny Clark has been a name that's been

715
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Speaker 2: thrown around because in Dallas they've got a little bit

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Speaker 2: of a backlog with the defensive tackles they've gotten. If

717
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: you could acquire a Kenny Clark and maybe you're mixing

718
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: and you need money and you're figuring out what the

719
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Speaker 2: new rotation looks like. He could fall. I just his

720
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Speaker 2: his money and production are the type that you have

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Speaker 2: to look at, and he has a roster bonus coming,

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Speaker 2: so those are That's why it stands out. I wouldn't

723
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Speaker 2: say likely yet, but it's certainly going to be analyzed.

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Speaker 2: You'll be at the Combine next week and so Tuesday

725
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Speaker 2: is the day that Zach and Duke are going to talk. Duke,

726
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Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll spend five minutes talking about Joe Flacco,

727
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Speaker 2: So I'm excited for that. Then later on in the week, coordinators,

728
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Speaker 2: from a Bengals perspective, when you go to Indy, what

729
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Speaker 2: is the thing you're most interested in learning? Finding out

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Speaker 2: that sort of thing, Well, you know, there's been a

731
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Speaker 2: lot more to find out in recent years, and it

732
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Speaker 2: is much like the last couple of months. It feels

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Speaker 2: like one of the more boring trips to the Combine

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Speaker 2: from a Bengals perspective, because a lot of things feel

735
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Speaker 2: like they're in order. But I think you want to

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Speaker 2: you want to get a good feel for their aggressiveness

737
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Speaker 2: level at free agency, their approach to what those positions

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Speaker 2: that they're attacking are going to be how they view

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Speaker 2: maybe a few of their other players guys. I mean,

740
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Speaker 2: like we just talked about the bj Hills of the world,

741
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Speaker 2: and some of the guys they have conversations that need

742
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Speaker 2: to be had about and some of the stuff we

743
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Speaker 2: were talking about non premium positions. Maybe we'll have a

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00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: question about arm length. Oh yeah, like all I think

745
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: there's they're in an interesting spot that way, But to me,

746
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Speaker 2: it will start with what their view of free agency

747
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Speaker 2: is right now, because if you're getting a sense of, well,

748
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Speaker 2: we don't feel like we like where Barrett and Demetrius

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Speaker 2: are at, or we.

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Speaker 4: Feel like if I hear that sentence and I'm driving

751
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Speaker 4: a car, lookout.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, these are the type of sentences, yeah,

753
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: that you'll occasionally hear uttered like like the year that

754
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: they they said, look, I thought Bobby Hart played great,

755
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Speaker 2: Like I'll never forget it right. We were walking out

756
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: of there, like I think he just said he they

757
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Speaker 2: like Bobby Hart, and you just hear these sentences and

758
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, they have a little bit different view

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00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: than I was anticipating. So that's I think their view

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Speaker 2: of what this defense needs, who needs to be a

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Speaker 2: part of it, Who is capable of being the starter

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Speaker 2: on opening day? Is going to be interesting to see

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Speaker 2: where they've kind of landed after there, you know, a

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Speaker 2: couple months here of evaluation.

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Speaker 4: Next Tuesday, I will be in Lubbock, Texas and congratulations, thanks,

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Speaker 4: I'll be you see plays that night against Texas Tech,

767
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 4: right for their second consecutive upset against a national rank team.

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Speaker 4: As I'm following everything happening in Indy on Tuesday, if

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Speaker 4: I read or hear the words we like where we

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Speaker 4: are with Barrett and Demetrius, I'm going to go to

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Speaker 4: a cattle ranch and I'm gonna instruct a cowboy to

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Speaker 4: take one of those branding irons.

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Speaker 2: And like, do it in my stomach or something. Suggest

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Speaker 2: so don't tweet it is what you're saying. Give me

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Speaker 2: a heads up, okay, all right, you know, just give

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00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: me a text like, hey, why do you why don't

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00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 2: you log off? Why don't you not go on the

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Speaker 2: interesting thing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Right, I will go to a ranch and say, cowboy,

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Speaker 4: heat it up. Paul Danner Jr. On Twitter at Paul

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Speaker 4: Danner Junior covering the Bengals forth the Athletic dot Com.

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Speaker 4: He'll have full coverage of the Bengals to the Combine

783
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Speaker 4: next week. And the latest episode of the Growlar podcast

784
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Speaker 4: features Steve Pelozzolo, who is awesome. So check that out,

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Speaker 4: which I will do on my ride home. It is

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Speaker 4: seven away from four o'clock. Derek Carty, who Reds fans

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Speaker 4: have shamed, is gonna join us in ten minutes on

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Speaker 2: So we read this last week. Come on Leger.

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Speaker 4: This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks for listening. Last Friday,

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Speaker 4: we read a blurb I think blurb is the right word.

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Speaker 4: There's an ESPN dot.

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Speaker 2: Com piece on.

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Speaker 4: Best nuts for the upcoming baseball season, over unders, things

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Speaker 4: like that, and we read the snippet We'll go as

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Speaker 4: snippet on the Reds, which was authored by a guy

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Speaker 4: named Derek Carty, ESPN betting analyst, and he had the

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Speaker 4: Reds finishing with fewer than eighty two and a half wins,

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Speaker 4: and that I don't think is that far fetched. I've

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Speaker 4: got him a little bit better. But you know, it's

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Speaker 4: they won eighty three games last year. If they won

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Speaker 4: eighty two games, it wouldn't be a shock. Eighty two

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Speaker 4: would be the under. But what stood out to me,

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Speaker 4: and I think what stood out to a lot of

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Speaker 4: folks was the explanation. And the explanation was, well, there's

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Speaker 4: questions in the rotation. Andrew Abbott's been one of the

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Speaker 4: luckiest pitchers in baseball. Nicoladolo's stuff declined after returning from injury,

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Speaker 4: and Derek wrote about projections having this as close to

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Speaker 4: a bottom five pitching staff. And so we read this

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Speaker 4: on Friday and I said, man, I'd love to get

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Speaker 4: this guy on because that doesn't mesh with the consensus.

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Speaker 4: Over the weekend, this was spread on Twitter and Derek

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Speaker 4: Carty became the latest Cincinnati sports internet villain. You know,

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Speaker 4: in this show, we love getting on Cincinnati sports internet villains.

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Speaker 4: And so, in the middle of being called a bunch

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Speaker 4: of names, I reached out to Derek and said, love

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Speaker 4: to have you on, and he was nice enough to

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Speaker 4: agree to a join us.

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Speaker 2: Derek Carty is here. How you doing, sir?

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Speaker 10: I'm doing pretty well.

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Speaker 6: Thanks so much for having me on.

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Speaker 4: What is the meanest thing a reds Fain either called

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Speaker 4: you or said to you over the weekend.

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Speaker 6: I don't know about the meanest, but uh, I did

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Speaker 6: learn this weekend that the R word is in heavy

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Speaker 6: rotation for most people these days.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: That's that's uh, that's unfortunate. All right, let's uh, let's

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Speaker 4: get to a few of the uh, the basic premises

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Speaker 4: of your article. Let's start with Andrew Abbot, who you

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Speaker 4: expect to have regression. It's worth pointing out by the

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Speaker 4: way you offered it me a couple of sorts on

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Speaker 4: social media. A little bit of an explanation talked about

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Speaker 4: misreading some data the The snippet on the the ESPN

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Speaker 4: dot com piece has been rewritten to reflect that. But

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Speaker 4: you expect Andrew Abbott to to be a candidate for regression,

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Speaker 4: and he was awesome in the first half last year.

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Speaker 4: The number is not so great in the second half.

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Speaker 4: They weren't atrocious, but they weren't up to the standard

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Speaker 4: he set with that amazing first half. Why do you

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Speaker 4: expect him to take a step back in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 6: So a lot of it has to do with just

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Speaker 6: some of the core principles of sabermetrics, with that limited

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Speaker 6: control over certain things. They have limited control over the

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Speaker 6: hits that they allow on balls and play, the percentage

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Speaker 6: of runners that they strand on base, the percentage of

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Speaker 6: their fly balls that turn into home runs. Generally, when

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Speaker 6: a picture does really well in one of these categories,

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Speaker 6: it helps his era. He looks really good, but it

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Speaker 6: doesn't necessarily carry over to his future era very well.

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Speaker 6: Abbott has outperformed in all three and even though he's

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Speaker 6: done it for three years, and that seems like a

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Speaker 6: long time when it comes to these stats, the math

865
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Speaker 6: kind of says he's still probably likely to get worse

866
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 6: at them.

867
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 4: So all right, you can get worse, you're also getting

868
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 4: worse from what was a pretty lofty standard in the

869
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 4: first half of last year. Does getting worse mean he's

870
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 4: a bad pitcher?

871
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 6: No, No, I have Andrew Abbot projected as about an

872
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 6: average pitcher, maybe a little below average, which I think

873
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 6: is still well below what most people want to hear.

874
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 6: But when you look at kind of his underlying peripheral metrics,

875
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 6: he doesn't strike a lot of guys out, He doesn't

876
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 6: have great control. He gives up a lot of fly balls.

877
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 6: Even when you dive even deeper into the stackcast data,

878
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 6: you know what his pitch mix is and how good

879
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 6: his stuff is. If you look at his velocity and

880
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 6: his movement and his spin rate and his tilt and

881
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 6: his tunneling and all that kind of good stuff. We

882
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 6: can quantify all that stuff now and we can say

883
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 6: precisely what scouts see with their eyes. And the problem

884
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 6: with ab is that all of these stuff models, no

885
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 6: matter who you look at, they don't like him. They

886
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 6: don't believe that he's one of these guys that can

887
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 6: outperform the underlying metrics the way he's done for the

888
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 6: past couple of years. So it really just comes down to,

889
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 6: you know, maybe I'm wrong, maybe the statistics here are wrong.

890
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 6: Maybe he really is an outlier like those guys do exist,

891
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 6: But probability wise, I don't think he is. And we've

892
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 6: seen it time in again with guys throughout the history

893
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 6: of baseball. Like look at what Rick Porcello did in

894
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 6: Boston twenty sixteen. He had what like twenty two wins,

895
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 6: like a three fifteen ERA, He won the Cy young.

896
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 6: He was only in the league for another four years

897
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 6: after that, he never had an ERA under four again,

898
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 6: and then he was kind of forced out of the league,

899
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 6: like we saw it with Barry Zito in Oakland where

900
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 6: he was overperforming his peripherals for so long and then

901
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 6: he completely sell part in the final like ten years

902
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 6: of his career, he never had an ERA under four.

903
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 6: Like it's just it's one of those things where he's

904
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 6: doing it, he's doing it right up until he can't anymore,

905
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 6: and a lot of times guys just can't do it

906
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 6: long term.

907
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 4: Derek Carty is with us explain or elaborate on I

908
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,919
Speaker 4: guess Nick Lidolo's apparent decline and stuff after he came

909
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 4: off a three week stint on the injured list last year.

910
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, So, I mean anytime a pitcher comes off an injury,

911
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 6: there's always a chance that their stuff is going to

912
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 6: be diminished. Nicklodolo, his fashold velocity was down a little bit.

913
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 6: I'd have to look into exactly what what the difference was.

914
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 6: But if you look at the stuff metrics, especially the

915
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 6: one that I just developed, which is going to be

916
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 6: a fangrass pretty soon, it says that his stuff was

917
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 6: worse last year, And so it's you project him out

918
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 6: just using what he actually did. I have him projected

919
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 6: for a four to seventeen era when you account for

920
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 6: the decline and stuff, he projects for a four to

921
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 6: seventy three era. So pretty significant drop off there for

922
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 6: a guy that you know, maybe next year the stuff

923
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 6: bounces back. I mean, he came back from from an injury.

924
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:32,959
Speaker 6: The stuff. You know, there might have been some rust

925
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 6: that he was shaking off and he might go back

926
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 6: to being the guy that he was before the injury.

927
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: But but we don't know that.

928
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 6: It's another question mark.

929
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: I just want fewer blisters. I'll settle for that.

930
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 4: When you talk about stuff, dive into that for me,

931
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 4: is that control is a command is a velocity is

932
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 4: an accommodation of everything to find stuff for.

933
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 6: Me, Yes, stuff is. When I say stuff, I essentially

934
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 6: mean the physical characteristics of a pitch. So it's the velocity,

935
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 6: it's the movement, it's the spin rate, the tilt, the

936
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 6: late break, how well he tunnels it off of other pitches,

937
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 6: whether he has bridge pitches to work with it, all

938
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 6: kinds of stuff like that that essentially tells us how

939
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 6: good a fastball is, how good a curveball is, how

940
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 6: good a slider is, and we can quantify that. And

941
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 6: when you do that, you've wind up seeing, okay, the

942
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 6: guys that have really good stuff for the guys you'd expect,

943
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 6: and the guys who have bad stuff or the guys

944
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 6: you'd expect. And so you know, it can be a

945
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 6: really informative way of telling us who a picture is,

946
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 6: or when a picture changes who he is, which did

947
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 6: appear to be the case with the Ladola last year.

948
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 6: After the injury.

949
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 4: Your original premise had Chase Burns, as you put it,

950
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 4: representing a significant injury risk, and you've kind of walked

951
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 4: that back.

952
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 6: Explain that to me, Yeah, so significant, Maybe I overstated it,

953
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 6: but he did have the flexer strain last year, which

954
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 6: does oftentimes lead to Tommy John surgery. So that was

955
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 6: where I was coming from. With Chase Burns. I had

956
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 6: a lot of Reds fans tell me that they don't

957
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 6: believe it was a real injury, that it was a

958
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 6: phantom and they were trying to manage his workload.

959
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 8: Maybe that was the case.

960
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 6: I'm surprised they'd called a flexustrain if that's what it was,

961
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 6: if that's what they were doing, But that's kind of

962
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 6: where that's train of logic with that came from.

963
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 4: They have prioritized the bullpen this spring, and there have

964
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 4: been off seasons where it felt like what they're doing

965
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 4: in the bullpen is just find some random guys who

966
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 4: used to be good and maybe they catch lightning in

967
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 4: the bottle or get a failed starter and put them

968
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 4: out there. It felt like they made a priority, made

969
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 4: it a priority to get guys to fill specific roles

970
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 4: in the bullpen. With Amelio O Pagon coming back to

971
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 4: be the closer. You don't love the bullpen as much

972
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 4: as people here may.

973
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 6: Why they made they made additions to the bullpen, but

974
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 6: I don't know if they made any real impact editions

975
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 6: like they added, uh, they had brock Burke, who's like,

976
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 6: he's fine, but he's not anything special. They added Pierce Johnson,

977
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 6: who again is fine, but he's not anything special. They

978
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 6: don't have an e lead arm in the bullpen. A

979
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 6: lot of teams have two or even three. Amelia Pegan

980
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 6: is you know by you know, ninth inning closer, you know,

981
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 6: fireman standards. You know, he's realistically one of the weaker

982
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 6: ones in baseball. So they just don't have that high

983
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 6: end of the bullpen to really make their bullpen threatening,

984
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 6: even if they do have a little more depth to

985
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 6: it now.

986
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 4: Offensively, you know they did at Eujaneo Soarez and you

987
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 4: mentioned your your model projects close to seventy nine and

988
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 4: a half wins for the Reds and that was even

989
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 4: accounting for the addition of Euhaneo Suarez. So what was

990
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 4: it before and where do you think the biggest shortcoming

991
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: is going to be for this team?

992
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 2: Offensively?

993
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 6: I think the biggest shortcoming really is it's not any

994
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 6: one spot specifically, It's just that they don't have a

995
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 6: lot of star power outside of Eli Da La Cruz

996
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 6: and they it's hard to put my finger on it.

997
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 6: It's just that they have a bunch of guys that

998
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 6: are kind of mediocre or below average, and that's kind

999
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 6: of what their offense is. It's a little below average.

1000
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing, right, Like it was it was

1001
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 4: fourteenth and one score less, like they were terrible.

1002
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,479
Speaker 2: But I understand the general point.

1003
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they have upside. I mean they have guys

1004
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 6: like South Stewart, who could you know, do something. Maybe

1005
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 6: Matt McLean turns it around. Cabrian Hayes was always a

1006
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 6: guy that I thought was interesting coming up for the Pirates,

1007
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 6: Like they have guys. It's just you look at it

1008
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 6: right now, and there's not a lot of proven offense

1009
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 6: in this lineup.

1010
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 4: So you go from originally concluding they could have close

1011
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 4: to a bottom five rotation to when you're Miya Kalpa

1012
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 4: talking about how like actually top five rotation? How and

1013
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 4: don't take this the wrong way, but how do you

1014
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 4: how do you interpret the data one way and then

1015
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 4: look at it in another way that gives us such

1016
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 4: an extreme difference between the two conclusions.

1017
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, there's there's no way around it. It

1018
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 6: was it was a mistake on my end. It was

1019
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 6: a stupid and it's one that I'm going to be

1020
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 6: very careful to make. Again, I'm not one hundred percent

1021
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 6: sure what happened, but what I'm pretty sure happened is

1022
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 6: kind of the way I approached that piece. Again, it

1023
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 6: was a betting piece that wasn't like a deep dive

1024
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 6: into the reds. So I was giving a bet and

1025
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 6: a sentence or two to support the bet. And I

1026
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 6: always start with the projection because I run the projection

1027
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 6: system the bad X, which you might know from fangraphs

1028
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 6: or elsewhere. It's found to be the most accurate the

1029
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 6: last six years running like it's good. So when people

1030
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 6: tell me that they hate when you say trust the math,

1031
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 6: I have a very good reason to trust the math

1032
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 6: sometimes because my math is pretty good. So I was

1033
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 6: just trusting the math on the projection. The projection said, okay,

1034
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 6: they project for about seventy nine and a half wins

1035
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 6: under eighty two and a half. There's a little bit

1036
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 6: of value there.

1037
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 8: Okay.

1038
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 6: Now I need to find a sentence or two to

1039
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 6: write up to explain why the projection sees that. And

1040
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 6: I must have pulled the data wrong, because when I

1041
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 6: went back and look, the reds do not have a

1042
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 6: bottom five rotation in baseball. There they actually projected the

1043
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 6: top five rotation in my system right now. So I

1044
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 6: don't know if I had it sorted the wrong way

1045
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 6: or what. I have no app I have no idea

1046
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 6: it was. It was just a mistake, you know what.

1047
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 4: The Miya Kulpa and the transparency and the willingness to

1048
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 4: do this and engage some fans on social media are

1049
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 4: things that I admire. Go back to last year, so

1050
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 4: they won eighty three, which I memory serves me correct.

1051
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 4: They barely hit the over. I know they hit the

1052
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 4: over because I, like an idiot, I bet them to

1053
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 4: hit the over every year, and my track record's terrible.

1054
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 2: What did you have the Reds out last year?

1055
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 6: I think I had it similar last year where I

1056
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,800
Speaker 6: had them about two or three wins under the line

1057
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 6: and it wound up losing. I think if you looked

1058
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 6: at what I had for all thirty teams, it wound

1059
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 6: up being very profitable. But I was wrong about the

1060
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 6: Reds last year as well.

1061
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 2: Go back and I know you're tied on time. Two things.

1062
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 4: One Andrew Abbott being lucky, which is something you put

1063
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 4: out there for lack of a better way.

1064
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 2: Of putting it.

1065
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 4: How do we account for that? Dive into that for me,

1066
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 4: because I could look at Andrew abbit it's numbers ago.

1067
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 4: Dude had a pretty good year. Walk me through like

1068
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 4: factoring and luck Why was he lucky last year?

1069
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 6: Well, so Andrew Abbott, Like you look on the surface

1070
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 6: and it looks like he was fantastic. He had pulling

1071
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 6: up this page right now, he had a two eighty

1072
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 6: seven ERA, which is fantastic. But you look under the

1073
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 6: hood at the peripheral metrics and his ex fIF was

1074
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 6: four thirty one. His SIERRA was four twenty. He had

1075
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 6: a two seventy four BABBIT, which is probably lower than

1076
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 6: he's able to sustain. He had an eighty percent left

1077
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 6: on base percentage, which is much higher than anybody can sustain.

1078
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 6: You look at his stuff plus and it's below average.

1079
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 6: It's just u You look under the hood and it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 6: he's done these things on the surface, he's been able

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Speaker 6: to prevent these runs, but he's not doing the types

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Speaker 6: of things that guys who prevent runs consistently are able

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Speaker 6: to do. And what is that strike guys out? I mean,

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Speaker 6: that's a big It sounds so simple, stupid, but that

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00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 6: is a big part of it. Strikeouts are one of

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Speaker 6: the stickiest stats we have for a picture. It's one

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Speaker 6: of the most important things that you can do as

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Speaker 6: a pitcher, and Andrew Rabbit doesn't do it. So at

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Speaker 6: the very least, I think we're seeing a guy who's

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00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 6: gonna regress to being above average. It's not a little

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Speaker 6: bit worse than that.

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Speaker 2: What do you project from my guy, Hunter Green this year?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 6: I love Hunter Green this year Hunter Green and Chase Burns.

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Speaker 6: My system absolutely loves it. Has been both his top

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Speaker 6: ten pictures in baseball at this point, projecting big years

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Speaker 6: for Green, especially this year.

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Speaker 4: Among all the baseball fan bases, where are Reds fans

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Speaker 4: on the mean scale?

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Speaker 6: Oh, they are pretty high.

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Speaker 2: They are pretty high, all right.

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Speaker 8: The backlash was it was a lot this weekend.

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Speaker 10: It was a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I was sitting there at my kitchen table on Saturday

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Speaker 4: morning watching you take it, and I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 4: I got to see if this dude will come on

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Speaker 4: the air with me, and hopefully he doesn't think I'm

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00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 4: gonna yell and scream at him as well.

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Speaker 2: So I appreciate you doing this and we'll do it again.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no problem, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: That's Derek Carter.

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Speaker 4: You could read his piece ESPN dot com and he

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00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 4: goes through a whole bunch of good or you might

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00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 4: argue bad baseball bets. His original premise was the Reds

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Speaker 4: are going to be under and he still has him

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Speaker 4: at that. But his original premise was bottom five rotation

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Speaker 4: in baseball and he walked that back. So look, he

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Speaker 4: doesn't he doesn't say what we want to hear, and

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Speaker 4: you may or may not agree. And you know, I'm

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Speaker 4: not going to argue with his data, but they're not

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Speaker 4: going to have a close to bottom five rotation in baseball.

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Speaker 4: And look, man, I think the overall assessment of the

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Speaker 4: offense is still a fair one. Like Ellie Dayler Cruz

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Speaker 4: has a pretty good chance to be an All Star.

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Speaker 4: Who else would you say, you know, has bona fide

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Speaker 4: all star potential. That's a very basic metric to use

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00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 4: or basic measurement to use. But like if we were

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00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 4: to do the thing where we guess, like make it

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00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 4: a betting thing, like who would you bets an All

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00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 4: Star for the Reds this year? I think you would

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00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 4: say Hunter and he might even say Andrew Abbott again,

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Speaker 4: or you would say Elie dela Cruz because he's been

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Speaker 4: an All Star a couple of times. Who else And

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00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 4: there's still a lot of guys like that have I

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00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 4: feel like, not very high ceilings, pretty low floors. And yeah,

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00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 4: man U Haaniosares is a good addition, but is he

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00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 4: alone because he's a one dimensional guy. Are the forty

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00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 4: home runs enough to help take an offense that was

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Speaker 4: middle of the pack last year? Wasn't awfals middle of

1143
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 4: the pack and make it one of the better ones

1144
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Speaker 4: in the sport. I'm skeptical that that's going to be

1145
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 4: the case. I see something around an eighty three to

1146
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 4: eighty six win team, and for what it's worth, I

1147
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 4: got yelled at last year. I said, I think the

1148
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 4: Reds are gonna win eighty three games, and they did,

1149
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 4: and doesn't make me a genius because I think a

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00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 4: lot of folks had them kind of right there in

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00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 4: that area. The question is can they outperform what most

1152
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 4: people are gonna believe and get to ninety win because

1153
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 4: hitting the over under, like if they if they the

1154
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 4: over under right now is eighty two and a half.

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Speaker 4: If they finished with eighty three wins, they hit the over.

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00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 4: If they finished with eighty three wins, I would be

1157
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 4: willing to bet they're not a playoff team this year.

1158
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 4: And so what this is the bigger question is can

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00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 4: they go from eighty three wins to like ninety Can

1160
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 4: they go from like eighty three wins to ninety two?

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00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 4: Can they win the National League Central? You know, the

1162
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 4: idea is to not just you know, sneak into the

1163
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 4: postseason with the six best record eighty two, eighty three,

1164
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 4: eighty four wins, like the idea should be to go

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Speaker 4: into the postseason with the ability to rest them guys,

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00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 4: set your rotation, and use the end of the season

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Speaker 4: to prepare for a playoff series, whether it's getting a

1168
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 4: bye or playing in the first round. So in order

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00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 4: to do that, there's gonna have to be a substantial

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00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 4: increase in victories. The idea should be to win the

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00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 4: division which made you got a leap frog two teams. Now,

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Speaker 4: I don't think ninety seven wins is going to be

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00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 4: what they have to get this year like Milwaukee did

1174
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 4: last season, but chances are that number is north of

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00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 4: eighty eight, eighty nine, maybe ninety ninety one. So can

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00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 4: this team offensively perform to a degree that it didn't

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00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 4: last year that enables them to win enough games to

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00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 4: win the division, to go into the playoffs comfortably?

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00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 2: Can this starting staff be that good?

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Speaker 4: The questions about the bullpen, I think it's fair to

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00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 4: say they have more guys who fill specific roles. How

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00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 4: great are some of those dudes on a really good team?

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00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 4: Is a Milio Pegan who I love? But is the

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00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 4: ninth inning guy?

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00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: Fair question? Like, there's.

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00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 4: There's some fair stuff there again, Man, the line that

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00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 4: got me was close to bottom five staff. No chance

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00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 4: in hell. There's enough depth, there's enough quality. There's everybody

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00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 4: in their prime. If the weak link is Brady Singer,

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00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 4: that's really good. If the week link is Chase Burns,

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00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 4: that's really good. Let's be honest about Andrew Abbott. Love

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Speaker 4: Andrew Abbot, but Andrew Rabbit in the second half of

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01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 4: the season, those numbers are more likely to be close

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01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 4: to his twenty twenty six numbers than what he did

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Speaker 4: in the first half last year.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot there.

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Speaker 4: He didn't say the team was going to be atrocious.

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Speaker 4: He had him winning seventy nine and a half games,

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Speaker 4: which isn't that far from what they were last season,

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Speaker 4: So I'm not again what stood out to me last

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Speaker 4: Friday was close to bottom five staff in baseball, because

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Speaker 4: the consensus is that they have a chance to have

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Speaker 4: a top five staff in baseball, and I believe that, Like,

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Speaker 4: I still feel like the upside the high end for

1205
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 4: Hunter Green is really high, and the high end for

1206
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 4: Andrew Abbott is really high, and the high end for

1207
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 4: Nick Lodolo, I still believe is really high. And you know,

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01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 4: granted there's an experience gap, but the high end for

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01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 4: Chase Burns seems really good. And by the way, Brady

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Speaker 4: Singer in August last year saved the season. Like, collectively,

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Speaker 4: that's a really good group. But it wouldn't be stunning

1212
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 4: if Andrew Abbott looked more like the pitcher we saw

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Speaker 4: in the second half of the season. By the way,

1214
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Speaker 4: the pitcher we saw in the second half of the

1215
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 4: season pitched some great games in September last year. Remember

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01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 4: that game against the Padres that he goes the distance

1217
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Speaker 4: and wins when the season was teetering on the brink.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I hope the guy's basic premise is incorrect.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna quibble with hardcore data, not in a

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Speaker 4: position to do that. What I was interested in was

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Speaker 4: how do you go from thinking they're going to be

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Speaker 4: a bottom five staff to a top five staff. And

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Speaker 4: the dude said he misinterpreted his data offered to me

1224
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Speaker 4: at Kolpap. I can't get mad at him for that

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Speaker 4: question is are they going to score no at the

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Speaker 4: end of the day, are they going to score enough runs?

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Speaker 4: Is a bullpen going to be better? And are they

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Speaker 4: going to be better or worse in one run games?

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Speaker 4: Because they were a five hundred team in one run

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Speaker 4: games last year. If they're better in one run games,

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01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 4: if the bullpen's more of an asset, they will be

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01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 4: better in one run games, and if the offense is better,

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Speaker 4: they won't have to win as many one run games.

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Speaker 4: We'll see twenty three after four Our guy, our legal expert,

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01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 4: attorney Stuart W. Penro on a handful of sports legal issues.

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Speaker 2: I Heard Radio just.

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Speaker 4: Retweeted something from Jeremy row my guy Hunter Green sounding off,

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Speaker 4: We're gonna play that audio. We're gonna pill for that

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Speaker 4: from Jeremy. A little bit later, on we got to

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Speaker 4: get to a poll question. It's gonna have to do

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Speaker 4: a little bit on the show yesterday about the now

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Speaker 4: former Kansas State coach Jerome Tang, who has been fired

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Speaker 4: for cause for some comments that he made after a

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Speaker 4: Kansas State loss to UC And I don't know anybody

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Speaker 4: who believes that case is actually gonna find its way

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Speaker 4: to a core room. Chances are will be settled, and

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Speaker 4: chances are Jerome Tang is going to get at least

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Speaker 4: a chunk of the money that he is owed. But

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Speaker 4: I'm still interested in talking about this from a legal perspective,

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01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 4: and so we'll do that. Cover a couple of other

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Speaker 4: topics with our man from the Manila Law Group, Attorney

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Speaker 4: Stewart W. Penrose, Next.

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Speaker 2: Sports headlines and just a few.

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Speaker 4: There's not a ton of late breaking news for me

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Speaker 4: to share with you, so we'll push that off while

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Speaker 4: we clear room for our legal analyst from the Manila

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Speaker 4: Law Group. Our friend, attorney Stuart W. Penrose, answers our

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Speaker 4: sports and legal questions. Good afternoon, sir, How.

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Speaker 10: Are you good afternoon? I'm doing great.

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Speaker 6: How about you?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing well. I want to start by asking about

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Speaker 4: Jerome Tang. He is now the former head basketball coach

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Speaker 4: at Kansas State. After a game last week in which

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Speaker 4: his team was throttled by the Bearcats, he popped off

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Speaker 4: on his players. He did coach one more game this weekend,

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Speaker 4: then late on Sunday night, he was fired for cause

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Speaker 4: and the school says, well, the language and his contract

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Speaker 4: addresses certain things that can potentially bring embarrassment. His comments

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Speaker 4: about the student athletes, and the negative reaction to those

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Speaker 4: comments from a lot of sources, both locally and nationally

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Speaker 4: brought brought embarrassment to the university. The school says, I

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Speaker 4: think most of us look at a guy who had

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Speaker 4: won one game in the league and was probably gonna

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01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 4: lose his job anyway, and we see a school that

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Speaker 4: is just trying to get out from underneath the more

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Speaker 4: than eighteen million dollars that the school owes them. Let's

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Speaker 4: start from the beginning here. What is the difference between

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Speaker 4: firing for cause and without cause?

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Speaker 10: Sure, well without cosmo, and I mean it's a fault termination.

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Speaker 10: You could fire coach for any reason, including performance, and

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Speaker 10: if you fire them without cause, they're full buyout. What's

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Speaker 10: in his case is apparently around eighteen million four cause

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Speaker 10: you're you're looking at cut violations of contract provisions. You're

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Speaker 10: usually talking MC double A violations, criminal conduct, moral super turpitude,

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Speaker 10: or what the universe is trying to claim here, you know,

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Speaker 10: public disrepute or embarrassment, you know, is what they're trying

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Speaker 10: to you know, claim here in the situation.

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Speaker 4: So embarrassment is kind of subjective, right, Like it's it's

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Speaker 4: clear cut. If you break an NC double a rule, fine,

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Speaker 4: that's clear cut. If you run a foul of the

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Speaker 4: law and you're convicted of a crime, that's clear cut.

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Speaker 4: Embarrassment is subjective, disrepute is subjective. And so based on that,

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Speaker 4: based on the fact that we're talking about things that

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Speaker 4: what's embarrassing to one might not be embarrassing to the other,

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Speaker 4: does the school really have a legal leg to stand on, Well.

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Speaker 10: It'll go forward in the court if it makes it

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Speaker 10: that far. I don't think anyone's senses are deceiving them.

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Speaker 10: It certainly appears that they're trying to get a discount

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Speaker 10: on the a very expensive buyout.

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Speaker 6: They all coach tang here.

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Speaker 10: He's hired a very reputable sports lawyer, Tom Marsh, who

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Speaker 10: was Jim Harbaugh's attorney, who came down hard on Kansas

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Speaker 10: State and said, you know, this is just beginning of

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Speaker 10: the embarrassment for KSE State and the AD. So it

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Speaker 10: certainly seems like they're fighting it.

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Speaker 8: Good for them.

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Speaker 10: Look, I mean, let's be honest here, he is, you know,

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Speaker 10: far from the first coach to go out and publicly

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Speaker 10: criticize his players and his team. And you know a

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Speaker 10: lot of coaches use that as a motive tactic. If

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Speaker 10: you're looking at that and you said, and you said

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Speaker 10: to yourself, wow, this doesn't sound any different than something

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Speaker 10: I hear from Coach A or coach B. Well, your again,

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Speaker 10: your senses aren't deceiving you. And you know, would the

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Speaker 10: case state AD be saying something like this if coach

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Speaker 10: Tang made the same comments to his team that was

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Speaker 10: in the top fifteen, you know.

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Speaker 8: Probably not.

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Speaker 2: So how often do cases like this actually end up

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Speaker 2: in court?

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Speaker 10: They can, but rarely Discovery's messy emails can come out

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01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 10: that show things that neither side wants. Schools don't want

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01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 10: to get dragged through the mud with something like this.

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01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 10: Generally speaking, they're going to come to some sort of

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01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 10: negotiated resolution. But you can clearly see that Jerome Tanga

1342
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 10: is finding this hard with his attorney. He's hired a

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01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 10: bulldog to go to bat for him, and we'll see

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Speaker 10: what happens. I mean, LSU tried something with Brian Kelly

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01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 10: recently when fired him, and seemed to try to put

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01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 10: that off and try to come up with some four

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01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 10: cause reasoning. He retained counsel and he got his full buyout,

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Speaker 10: So you know it's very possible that that may happen

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Speaker 10: here for a coach Tang.

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Speaker 2: This, I guess this may be a stupid question.

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Speaker 4: So that the comments in question were made after a

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01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 4: game on Wednesday, Kansas State played a game on Saturday.

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01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 4: Jerome Tang coached his team in that game. They lost

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01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 4: to Houston and then got let go on Sunday. So

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01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 4: there's a part of me that goes, wait a minute,

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Speaker 4: if he brought such shame and embarrassment to the university,

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01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 4: why would you let him represent the school on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: That tells me that this is not because of the

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01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 4: comments last week. If they were, he would have at

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Speaker 4: least been suspended. What would you say to that?

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Speaker 10: From a legal perspective, Once again, your senses aren't deceiving you.

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01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 10: I mean, if it looks like a duck and it

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01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 10: sounds like a duck, I think it's pretty clear the

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01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,879
Speaker 10: university's trying to, you know, get out from a buyout,

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01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:53,919
Speaker 10: or get out as much as they can from a buyout.

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Speaker 10: This is his speech that at his press conference is

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Speaker 10: nothing we haven't seen hundreds of times over with various coaches.

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Speaker 10: He's going to argue that they're very much stretching the

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01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 10: meaning of, you know, embarrassment to the university. And it

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Speaker 10: seems that the coach is a very strong case here,

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01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 10: and certainly the fact that they let them coach another game, well,

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Speaker 10: you know, certainly gives credence to that argument.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the NFLPA.

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Speaker 4: So for years, for the last couple of years, they've

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Speaker 4: released these team report cards which are based on surveys

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Speaker 4: done of the players, and as a result of those surveys,

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Speaker 4: the NFLPA will release port card report cards about the

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Speaker 4: teams and how they operate, how what kind of workplace

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Speaker 4: conditions there are, how families are treated, what sort of

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Speaker 4: perks players get working for each team, that sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: The NFL has challenged this, and it has been ruled

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Speaker 4: that the NFLPA is they're allowed to conduct these surveys,

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01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,560
Speaker 4: but they're no longer allowed to make the result of

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01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 4: these surveys public. Why was this ruling reached and is

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Speaker 4: this something that the players Association can challenge?

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01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 6: Sure?

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Speaker 10: Well, mean, first off, I mean this is not a

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01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 10: First Amendment change. It's a labor contract case. I mean,

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01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 10: the arbitrator essentially decided that you know, they're publishing this publicly,

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01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 10: you know, violated, violated the CBA and the language of

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01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 10: the c b A. You know, my labor arbitration rulings

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01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 10: are very difficult to challenge and they're very difficulty, very

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01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 10: rarely overturned. Typically speaking, you know, you're looking for fraud,

1394
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:29,520
Speaker 10: bias or arbitrator misconduct. You know, the more realistic expectation

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01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 10: is the n f l p A either compliance or

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01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 10: it simply negotiates new language in their next c b A. Certainly,

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01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 10: they can still conduct these surveys, use the data internally

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01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 10: and try to push teams internally with it.

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Speaker 6: But you know, the.

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Speaker 10: Arbitrator pretty you know, clearly ruled that it violated the

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01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 10: language of the c b A and something for them

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01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 10: to work on in the next c b A perhaps.

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01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 4: By the way, and we'll talk about this next week,

1405
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 4: because we're gonna be talking a lot about baseball CBA

1406
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 4: expiring at the end of this season. Their A union

1407
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 4: had left, and so put that on the back burner

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01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 4: for next week because there's lots of questions about that.

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01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 4: I do have to ask you though about another college

1410
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 4: eligibility case. We have one of these seemingly every week.

1411
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 4: Ole miss quarterback Trinidad Chambliss is going to get a

1412
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,560
Speaker 4: sixth year of eligibility.

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01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 2: What was the foundation of his case.

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Speaker 10: Sure, well, he's claiming that he should have had a

1415
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 10: medical red shirt for one of his years, that at

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01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 10: fair es state, that he didn't suit up, that he

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01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 10: didn't play. The n Cuba had had declined this case

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01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 10: and ruled him in eligible. He appealed it. He lost

1419
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 10: his appeal as well. And you know, we're getting in

1420
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 10: a pattern of this on this segment. You know, we're

1421
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 10: seeing judicial oversight of you know, college sports eligibility, and

1422
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 10: that's you know, we're seeing it more and more, and

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01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 10: you know it's it's already a ripple effect. This is

1424
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 10: already h you know part of that. You know that

1425
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 10: they're gonna look at it about a case by case base,

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01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 10: and you know he was able to sue in a

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01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 10: in a Mississippi state court that certainly can't hurt. You know,

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01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:09,759
Speaker 10: you're arguing against the you know, state anti trust laws

1429
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 10: and you know, quite frankly, in a state like Mississippi,

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01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 10: there's only two law schools, and you know, the only

1431
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 10: public won is old mess not saying the judge you know,

1432
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 10: didn't did anything improper in there by any means. But

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01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 10: you know, yes, you know you're you're going to get

1434
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 10: a more favorable venue in these circumstances. But it's just

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01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 10: very very hard for the n C double A to uh,

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01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 10: you know, blanketly enforce eligibility over certain issues because different

1437
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 10: states have different laws that uh, you know, garner anti

1438
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 10: trust and uh, it makes it very difficult for the

1439
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 10: NC double A to you know, keep their power and

1440
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 10: blankenly enforce it. And you know, the young man's gonna

1441
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 10: be able to play next year. I mean the NC

1442
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 10: double A technically could appeal that, uh, the injunction, I mean,

1443
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 10: the case technically is still going on. What he got

1444
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,120
Speaker 10: is an injunction. But you know cases take years, and

1445
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 10: you know, by the time this case is over, he'll

1446
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 10: be he'll be AWESO to the NFL.

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01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, unless he sues for more years of college eligibility,

1448
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 4: which you always have to account for that. Attorney Stewart W.

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Speaker 4: Penrose from the Manila Law Group. You can learn more

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Speaker 4: at Manila Lawgroup dot com. Awesome to have you as

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Speaker 4: always start. Thanks so much that's our guy, Attorney Stewart W.

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Speaker 2: Penrose. He has been an awesome addition to our show.

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Speaker 4: Guardians at three ten on Fox Sports thirteen sixty. The

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Speaker 4: six minutes. I don't think that the Bengals have tagged

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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson yet, but they can now. They legally can

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Speaker 4: all the way until March fourth. College basketball tonight, Xavier

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Speaker 4: is taking on villanov. You know the Big East. I

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Speaker 4: would stop short of saying that there's a big two

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Speaker 4: in the Big East, and I know Saint John's just

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Speaker 4: beat Yukon at Madison Square Garden, but I will maintain

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Speaker 4: that Yukon with Dan Hurley complaining about attendance and Huskies games,

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Speaker 4: still feels like.

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Speaker 2: A class among themselves.

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Speaker 4: Now both teams have lost one game in the league,

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Speaker 4: Yukon in Saint John's, so okay, fine, we'll make it

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Speaker 4: about the big two. And then there's like the bottom half,

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Speaker 4: and then a couple of teams that at times, like

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Speaker 4: Seaton Hawk, can look really good and at sometimes and

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Speaker 4: right now the Pirates are playing really well. Creighton is

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Speaker 4: not very good, but when you've watched them on good nights,

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Speaker 4: you've seen a team that looks good. Then there's Villanova

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Speaker 4: that is very quietly eleven and three in the league.

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Speaker 4: They're in town tonight to play Xavier, first of two

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Speaker 4: meetings between these two schools between now and the end

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Speaker 4: of the season. Tip Off is going to be tonight

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Speaker 4: at six thirty, and you'll hear the game live on

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Speaker 4: Willard on track to take the Wildcats of the NCAA

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Speaker 4: Tournament for the first time since Jay Wright retired in

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Speaker 4: two thy twenty two and balanced team ranked close to

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Speaker 4: the top thirty nationally and offensive and defensive efficiency playing

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Speaker 4: the Xavier team that closed out Marquette and for a

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Speaker 4: lot of that game looked really good. On Saturday again,

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Speaker 4: tip off tonight at six thirty, Miami battles U Mass.

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Speaker 4: RedHawks faced a pretty stiff test from the minute men

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Speaker 4: back on January the twenty seventh, and RedHawks are point

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Speaker 4: and a half favorites. Jay Billis ranks the sixty eight

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Speaker 4: best teams in college basketball. He has Miami twenty sixth.

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Speaker 4: He writes my on court view of the RedHawks as

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Speaker 4: the rank them in the mid forties of the Billis Index.

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Speaker 4: Jay Billis is among the best college basketball analysts going,

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Speaker 4: and so he's one of the few people talking about

1504
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 4: the RedHawks that I would imagine has actually watched them

1505
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 4: and say what you want about their schedule, and say

1506
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 4: what you want about whether or not they should be

1507
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 4: included in the field of sixty eight if they lose

1508
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 4: the MAC Tournament title game but win all their regular

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01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 4: season games, and I have a really hard time believing

1510
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 4: the committee is going to ignore.

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Speaker 2: Zero losses in the regular season.

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Speaker 4: But offensively, look, they're not brimming with NBA guys, have

1513
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 4: a lot of guys who probably wouldn't get playing time

1514
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 4: on good Big twelve teams, But they run really good stuff.

1515
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 4: They don't take a bunch of bad shots. Ian Elmer's

1516
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,680
Speaker 4: made some huge shots for that team. Pete Souter has

1517
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 4: obviously been a great playmaker for that team. Brant Byers

1518
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 4: can shoot the ball like they're in the upper part

1519
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,839
Speaker 4: of the sport in a lot of advanced offensive metrics.

1520
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 4: What you wonder about is, and this has happened a

1521
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 4: couple of times, it happened against UMass to a degree.

1522
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 4: The minimen shot fifty one percent. Miami has defensive deficiencies. Now,

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01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 4: I think they've gotten better relative to the way they

1524
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 4: played against Kent State, the way they played in the

1525
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 4: first Buffalo game, and the way they played against UMass.

1526
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 4: But we talk about this a lot in across a

1527
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 4: lot of different sports. When does your fatal flaw catch

1528
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 4: up to you? Doesn't catch up to him? Tonight, UMass

1529
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 4: has lost two consecutive games, including a triple overtime loss

1530
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 4: to a Coastal Caroline. That's going to be a good game.

1531
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 4: Tonight tips off at seven pm. Kentucky tries to bounce

1532
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 4: back after getting beaten by Florida. I felt like Kentucky

1533
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 4: in that game, and I have not looked this up.

1534
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 4: I felt like Kentucky might have missed twenty five layups

1535
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 4: in that game. A lot of opportunities at the rim

1536
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 4: against a very good Florida team on the defensive end.

1537
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,559
Speaker 4: The game never got completely out of hand. The game

1538
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 4: never felt like it was there for the taking. Kentucky

1539
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 4: and Georgia tonight tip off at nine o'clock. Pregame coverage

1540
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 4: at seven point thirty on ESPN fifteen thirty. And Ohio State,

1541
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 4: a team that I think is one of the most

1542
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 4: interesting in the country coming off that neutral site loss

1543
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 4: to Virginia. They battle Wisconsin tonight at eight thirty. We're

1544
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 4: guests free the rest of the way. We do have

1545
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 4: to talk about tanking because it's being brought up in

1546
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 4: the NBA right now. You know, the Reds not that

1547
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 4: long ago essentially tanked and everybody seems to be okay

1548
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 4: with it now. That's coming up on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: This report possible possible Eastern Conference Finals preview.

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Speaker 2: I got Detroit to win the East though, so I

1561
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 2: don't think you want that. You don't think I want

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01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 2: Detroit to win the East. I don't know, don't I

1563
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 2: don't think you want Nicks.

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01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 6: This is an East coremis final.

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01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 4: I'll be happy to be in the Eastern Conference Finals.

1566
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 4: I'd rather play Cleveland rather playing Boston. With now Jason Tatum.

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01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 4: I had Detroit Detroit man like I hate to be

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01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 4: this guy when they played New York in the postseason

1569
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 4: last year in a tough six game series, winning two

1570
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 4: games Detroit did at MSG and getting an unfriendly whistle

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01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 4: in Game four.

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01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 4: I don't know anybody who watched that series or watched

1574
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 4: that team who didn't believe they were due to take

1575
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 4: a major step forward this year, and they have, and

1576
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 4: assuming they don't have more players get suspended for the postseason,

1577
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,480
Speaker 4: I don't know how you beat them four times. Boston's

1578
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 4: a wildcard because that they get Tatum back, and they're

1579
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 4: fully healthy. With the season that Jalen Brown has had,

1580
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 4: it's something else entirely. I would not trust Cleveland to

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01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 4: beat them four times, and I would not trust New

1582
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,759
Speaker 4: York defensively to beat them four times. New York's best

1583
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 4: is better than everybody else's best in the East, but

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01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 4: I think they'd have to play at their best to

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01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 4: beat them four times, and I don't think they're capable

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01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 4: of doing that. So the last time they played Detroit

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01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 4: one by fifty, and both teams were without key guys,

1588
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 4: it was a thorough, thorough butt kicking. And we'll see

1589
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 4: if something similar happens on Thursday. I haven't looked at this,

1590
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 4: but for the first half, for much of the first

1591
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 4: half of the season, Detroit, despite leading from the jump

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01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 4: in the Eastern Conference, was not the betting favorite to

1593
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 4: win the East and there was like really good value

1594
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 4: to be had. I'm guessing that's changed at least a

1595
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 4: little bit.

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01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 2: We'll see. So that's what's happening in the NBA. Coming

1597
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 2: up on five o'clock on ESPN fifteen.

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01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 1: Thirty, run Bumps, Dunning strikes a shot back to last second,

1599
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: saves the Orange and Blue, deliver drama every game.

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01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 2: And if that won't give you goosebumps, I don't know

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01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 2: what will.

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01:21:54,040 --> 01:22:00,560
Speaker 3: FC Cincinnati Soccer lives here being up Bay Lead on

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Speaker 3: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: All right, five oh five, ESPN fifteen to thirty, Moegger,

1605
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 4: thanks for listening. Hopefully you're having like the most awesome

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01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 4: Tuesday of all time, the most awesome.

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01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 2: I've got the hidden.

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01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 4: Sacred about tanking, which is a big topic with one

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01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 4: major pro sports league, and it is easy. It is

1610
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 4: easy to make the comparison between the Reds offense and

1611
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:29,719
Speaker 4: the Bengals defense.

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01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 2: But I'll do it in the way that I did.

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01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 4: I'll talk about the Reds offense in the way that

1614
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 4: I talked about the Bengals defense last year, which nobody

1615
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 4: else wanted to. That is coming up a little bit

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01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 4: later on this hour, we'll grab some phone calls. Or

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01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 4: I was gonna say grab some phone calls, or too,

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01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 4: we'll grab some phone calls, assuming we have time. I

1619
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 4: want to play this audio. I am stealing it blatantly

1620
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 4: from our friend Jeremy Row of Fox nineteen. So Hunter

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01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 4: Green's season last year was good. It was really good

1622
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 4: when he was on the mound, and yeah, man, it's

1623
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:06,720
Speaker 4: easy to point to the playoff performance when he threw

1624
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 4: batting practice against the Dodgers and look at some point like,

1625
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 4: hopefully the Reds get back there. And if Hunter really

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01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 4: wants to enter the pantheon off e leit starting pitchers,

1627
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 4: he's gonna have to deliver on the biggest stage, and

1628
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 4: in one opportunity to do so, he failed. But they

1629
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 4: are not on that stage without his performances down the stretch.

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01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 4: That Thursday night game against the Cubs when he wins

1631
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 4: won nothing. That Sunday afternoon game against the Mets when

1632
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 4: he shut out a New York team that was threatening

1633
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 4: to go up six with three weeks to go, like

1634
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 4: the epitome of ace, the epitome of clutch. So that

1635
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 4: was the high point of the season. The low point

1636
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 4: was he missed a lot of time because of injury,

1637
01:23:52,320 --> 01:24:00,799
Speaker 4: and you started to hear rumblings of discontent. You started

1638
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 4: to hear people wonder might they eventually move on from

1639
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 4: Hunter Green. You read about you know, he had a

1640
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 4: clean MRI, canceled a rehab assignment despite the clean MRI,

1641
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:17,560
Speaker 4: was dealing with a right groin strain, and it was

1642
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 4: kind of up to Hunter as to when he was

1643
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 4: going to return. And you heard from people close to

1644
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 4: the team some rumblings that that wasn't going over so

1645
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,280
Speaker 4: well in the clubhouse, and it wasn't going over so

1646
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 4: well with management.

1647
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 2: Perhaps.

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01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 4: In fact, there was a pretty strongly worded piece by

1649
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 4: Mark Sheldon that he unfairly took a lot of criticism

1650
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 4: for that kind of pointed to the disaffection that a

1651
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 4: lot of people might have been feeling towards Hunter Green

1652
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 4: him quote slow playing his return from injury.

1653
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 2: So it was a weird year.

1654
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,520
Speaker 4: When he was available, he was great when he wasn't available.

1655
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 4: It was a the continuation of what unfortunately has been

1656
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,680
Speaker 4: a career long theme. And b you started to hear

1657
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 4: rumblings of frustration with Hunter and you started to see

1658
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 4: people close to the team right about the frustration that

1659
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 4: some might have felt regarding Hunter Green.

1660
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 2: Now, I can only speak for myself.

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01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 4: From my perspective, that frustration was not fair, and like

1662
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 4: if you're a Reds fan, you want the best players

1663
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 4: to be healthy, and you want the best players to

1664
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:25,679
Speaker 4: be available, but perhaps with exceptions. For the most part,

1665
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 4: I believe the athlete knows his or her body, especially

1666
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 4: at this level, and even if there are tests or

1667
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 4: there are certain measurements that you could take that might

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01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 4: indicate the players should be close to returning, I am

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01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 4: going to defer to the.

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01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 2: Athlete ninety nine times out of one hundred. I'm also

1671
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 2: going to.

1672
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:55,599
Speaker 4: Defer to a guy who has not shown any has

1673
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 4: not shown any hint that he's a selfish guy, that

1674
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 4: he's a soft guy, he's a guy that doesn't want

1675
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:04,600
Speaker 4: to pitch and pitch as well as he can and

1676
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:07,800
Speaker 4: contribute to his team winning. There's been none of that,

1677
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:12,600
Speaker 4: and so a lot of the criticism to me felt misguided,

1678
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 4: felt unfair, even if I can understand the basic frustration

1679
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 4: of not having a staff ace available. Hunter has not

1680
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,400
Speaker 4: talked that much on the record about this. There was

1681
01:26:26,640 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 4: a piece I believe it was done by C.

1682
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 2: Trent.

1683
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:32,640
Speaker 4: I think Charlie Goldsmith also wrote about this back when

1684
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 4: spring training started. That addressed Hunter Green talking about some

1685
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,640
Speaker 4: of the trade rumors that were out there. And by

1686
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 4: the way, well, I certainly believe the Reds didn't view

1687
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 4: Hunter Green as untouchable. I have a hard time believing

1688
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 4: that they were just openly shopping him. Here we have

1689
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 4: a cost controlled staff ace. He is the major reason

1690
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 4: why our staff is considered to be one of the

1691
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 4: best in the sport.

1692
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,560
Speaker 2: Let's unload him, like, I don't I know that that

1693
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:04,000
Speaker 2: was ever really a thing. Anyway.

1694
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,759
Speaker 4: That is a long preamble into setting up this audio.

1695
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 4: Here is a little bit more than a minute of

1696
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 4: Hunter Green thanks to Jeremy Row with Fox nineteen. Hunter

1697
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 4: Green my guy sticking up for himself.

1698
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,960
Speaker 2: You're a star in this game, so you deal with

1699
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 2: weird rumors in the off season. It felt like at

1700
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:23,600
Speaker 2: one point you wanted to clear the ear on some

1701
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 2: of those rumors. Why was that important for you?

1702
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I addressed this early on. I know

1703
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 9: if you guys, I'm sure saw the article. I think

1704
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,600
Speaker 9: people got confused with trade rumors and to me that

1705
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,600
Speaker 9: I never cared about trade rumors. That's part of the

1706
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 9: game can't control it. Everybody, especially with social media now

1707
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:45,719
Speaker 9: believes they have a platform and everybody wants to listen

1708
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 9: to them. So everyone's got opinions. But my issue was

1709
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 9: defamation of character. I didn't like that. I don't like

1710
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 9: false narratives, and I don't like.

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01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 2: You guys yeah Hunter, Yeah.

1712
01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 9: People that knew me and that have been around me,

1713
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:00,719
Speaker 9: they know my character.

1714
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 2: That's my guy.

1715
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 9: And there was a comment and some things that went

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01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:07,840
Speaker 9: out that I've always taken the high road. I've always

1717
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 9: tried to be professional, but there's a line that's crossed

1718
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 9: and it was a different environment. Trust me to be

1719
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 9: handled a lot differently than it's been handled so far,

1720
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:19,719
Speaker 9: but I got to be professional. A lot of eyes

1721
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 9: are on me. But my biggest issue was defamation of characters,

1722
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 9: so that had to be addressed.

1723
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 4: Mark Sheldon's piece, and again I think what Mark was doing,

1724
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 4: and he has spoken about this publicly. Mark's a terrific

1725
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:36,759
Speaker 4: reporter for MLB dot com, but he wrote a piece

1726
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 4: around mid season last year where the exact passage was

1727
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 4: for a guy with a long term contract who says

1728
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 4: he wants to be a leader. Green needs to start

1729
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 4: showing it and get back on the field. When he is,

1730
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 4: he can be one of the best starters in baseball.

1731
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 4: I don't know that that is Mark flying off the cuff.

1732
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 4: I think that's Mark using what he is hearing by

1733
01:28:55,800 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 4: being a very well sourced and connected reporter. He's relayed

1734
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 4: what he's hearing from his beat. So that's not Mark Sheldon.

1735
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 4: That's a narrative that had been built by people on

1736
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 4: the team, maybe teammates, maybe the manager, maybe coaches, perhaps

1737
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:15,759
Speaker 4: in the front office.

1738
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:23,480
Speaker 2: Good for a Hunter Green. Good for Hunter Green, because.

1739
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 4: When when you start to question someone's effort in their

1740
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 4: return from injury, Yeah, I think what you're doing is

1741
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 4: you're questioning their character when you are essentially, perhaps behind

1742
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 4: closed doors, perhaps anonymously through members of the media, making

1743
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 4: the assertion that this guy isn't doing everything he can

1744
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 4: to come back, or this guy isn't really injured. You're

1745
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 4: coming at for somebody's character. Joey Vado dealt with this

1746
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:58,639
Speaker 4: in twenty fourteen. Twenty fourteen, Joey missed one hundred games.

1747
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:02,960
Speaker 4: He had been an elite player, playing at a really

1748
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 4: high level for a very long time.

1749
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 2: At that point.

1750
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,120
Speaker 4: I'll never forget this is I was in the clubhouse.

1751
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:11,679
Speaker 4: I was holding a recorder six inches from his face.

1752
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 4: Not that I'm ever really reporter boy, but I happen

1753
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 4: to be there where He's like, dude, I'm injured. Like

1754
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know where this was coming from,

1755
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,519
Speaker 4: that I'm not doing everything I can to come back

1756
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 4: like I'm injured. And I remember going like, man, this

1757
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 4: is a guy whose preparedness and professionalism has never been

1758
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 4: called into question. If you know anything about this guy,

1759
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 4: you know how much producing and contributing matters to him.

1760
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 4: You know how much this guy wants to help his team.

1761
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 4: You know how much this guy loves to perform. He

1762
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 4: played in every single game the year before. Felt something

1763
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 4: similar about Hunter Green last year. Now, would it be

1764
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 4: awesome if he could stay healthy? Yeah, it's like one

1765
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 4: of the few things he hasn't done. The Rads have

1766
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 4: a chance of being better if Hunter Green makes thirty

1767
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 4: two starts as opposed to nineteen. And if you truly

1768
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:00,560
Speaker 4: want to be considered one of the elite pitchers in

1769
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 4: the sport, like you do, have to go through a

1770
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:06,360
Speaker 4: couple of years where you make every turn. You know,

1771
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:08,759
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson in the NFL for a couple of seasons,

1772
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 4: the narrative was he's always hurt, and then he had

1773
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 4: a couple of seasons where he wasn't hurt, he played great,

1774
01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 4: won another MVP award, and it's like that, dude's an

1775
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 4: upper crust guy. You can't do that if you're always hurt.

1776
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 4: But getting injured is not a character question. Getting injured

1777
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,680
Speaker 4: is at times luck, it's a times physiology, it can

1778
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 4: be a lot of different things. Has nothing to do

1779
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 4: with your character. And I felt like, and I say

1780
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 4: this as a fan, I felt like Hunter took some

1781
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 4: real unfair shots last year, and those shots came from within.

1782
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 4: I cannot imagine how hurtful that was. You can't imagine

1783
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 4: put yourself in issues right like, you're one of the

1784
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 4: backbones of this team. By the way, You're a guy

1785
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 4: who has sacrificed a lot of money to be cost

1786
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 4: control and that gives the team a little bit more

1787
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:06,800
Speaker 4: financial flexibility. You've done everything you've been asked to do

1788
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:09,640
Speaker 4: on the mound. You've gotten better every single season. You're

1789
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 4: one of the faces of this franchise. You're one of

1790
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 4: the reasons why it's relevant right now. And you got

1791
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 4: people on your team or you got folks on your

1792
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,719
Speaker 4: coaching staff, or you have people in your front office

1793
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 4: questioning your integrity. Hell yeah, I'd be pissed you would too.

1794
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 4: So let's hope this is a non story this season. A.

1795
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 4: They didn't trade him. Trading him would have been kind

1796
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 4: of stupid. B. Hopefully he's not injured this year. Again,

1797
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 4: like when a guy gets hurt all the time, it

1798
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:42,560
Speaker 4: does get portrayed as a character question. I watch this

1799
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 4: unfold with Nick Senzelnick Nixxenzel is a bust, But I

1800
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 4: watch this unfold with Nick Senzel where it got portrayed

1801
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 4: as a character flaw. Because you're hurt all the time

1802
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:52,880
Speaker 4: doesn't mean you're a bad guy, doesn't mean you're a

1803
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 4: bad teammate. We can't emphasize this enough. As much as

1804
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,639
Speaker 4: we all love what Hunter does on the mound, he's

1805
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 4: just not on the mound, he knot. But the fact

1806
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 4: that he's not on the mound enough is no reflection

1807
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 4: of the dude's character. Everything you've come to know about

1808
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 4: that guy right the place in life he's gotten to.

1809
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 4: You don't get to being soft, not being competitive, being

1810
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 4: a bad dude. And so good for Hunter Green for

1811
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 4: speaking up. Good for him, and I hope he's done

1812
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:22,560
Speaker 4: it privately. Hopefully he's done that with the people on

1813
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:26,920
Speaker 4: his team, because that was one of the real unfair

1814
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:31,680
Speaker 4: narratives of last year. So look, man Hunter might not

1815
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 4: have a great year. That's fine. The Hunter might get

1816
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:37,759
Speaker 4: hurt again this year. We'll talk about that injury's impact

1817
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 4: on the team. What is insanely unfair is calling into

1818
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 4: question the guy's character, which when people did that behind

1819
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 4: the scenes and did that anonymously and did it through

1820
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:51,920
Speaker 4: members of the media last year, that's what that was.

1821
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 2: That was unfair.

1822
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 4: Seventeen minutes after five o'clock, I'm gonna ask a pole

1823
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,439
Speaker 4: question here on Twitter in just a few minutes. It

1824
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 4: has to do with the tea word, the hidden secret

1825
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 4: about the tea word.

1826
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 3: Next Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic.

1827
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:15,439
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1828
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:19,920
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1829
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1830
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 5: one accident out there at the moment. On Beakman over

1831
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:31,720
Speaker 5: at Coal Rain eastbound two seventy five between Mastellar and

1832
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 5: Loveland Madeira Road. There's a five minute delayed, little bit

1833
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 5: of slow traffic and more slow traffic northbound seventy one

1834
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:41,600
Speaker 5: between Smith Edwards and Ronald Reagan Highway. I'm at e

1835
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Speaker 5: zelic with traffic.

1836
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 2: This report is sponsored by OO.

1837
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Speaker 4: After five o'clock, this is ESPN fifteen thirty Moegger Tomorrow.

1838
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 4: We have our friend Tom Galater on the show. FC

1839
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 4: Cincinnati is getting said for play in the Konka CAF

1840
01:34:54,920 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 4: Champions Cup, and also on the show tomorrow, Rick Brooring

1841
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:01,680
Speaker 4: on the must the Tears in the Norse Xavier and

1842
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 4: Villanova tonight. NKU plays tomorrow as well that at three

1843
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Speaker 4: forty five, Tommy g at four oh five, we have

1844
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 4: some good FC Cincinnati stuff later in the week which

1845
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 4: we are looking forward to. We have not taken a

1846
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 4: phone call today and it's time to put an end

1847
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 4: to that. Mike, go ahead.

1848
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 2: You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Thanks, Well, you're welcome.

1849
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 8: Little short of breath, just give me a second. I'm sorry, Hey, pal,

1850
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 8: how are you doing?

1851
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:37,679
Speaker 2: I'm good? Are you okay?

1852
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 8: How's your family?

1853
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:42,679
Speaker 2: My family is awesome, doing great. Thank you for asking.

1854
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:48,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, well that's a beautiful thing. I've wanted to bring

1855
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 8: up three tops so you've been talking. I know you,

1856
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 8: I know how you feel about Hunter, and that's my guy.

1857
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 8: I I have nothing Again, Hunter tries as hard as

1858
01:35:58,600 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 8: you can.

1859
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:00,640
Speaker 6: We know that.

1860
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:01,720
Speaker 8: Why wouldn't he?

1861
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:07,680
Speaker 4: There are there are people you know who get paychecks

1862
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 4: from the Reds last year who were basically asserting that

1863
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 4: he doesn't.

1864
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 7: Well, I don't your knuckle heads, why why wouldn't he?

1865
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 7: He is his living Why why wouldn't he? That's so stupid.

1866
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 7: I don't even want to hear that crap. I mean,

1867
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 7: it's really dumb.

1868
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 4: Uh, it is dumb. Like I get the frustration with

1869
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 4: him missing time. Who isn't right, He's he's not helping

1870
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:36,360
Speaker 4: the team, but he's not healthy. But there was this

1871
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:41,759
Speaker 4: very very strong insinuation last year that he wasn't exactly

1872
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:44,280
Speaker 4: doing everything he could to come back, and I thought

1873
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 4: I thought that was unfair.

1874
01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 8: That wasn't from any doctors. I didn't hear that from

1875
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:50,839
Speaker 8: one doctor.

1876
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,519
Speaker 4: No, No, I think it was expressed from people on

1877
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:56,719
Speaker 4: the team and with the team, through people who covered

1878
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 4: the team.

1879
01:36:58,360 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, well we're them to I because you brought up

1880
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 8: that thing about top five and in bottom five, I mean,

1881
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 8: what is that? I don't that just blows my mind.

1882
01:37:13,800 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 8: The sources are what counts, So which source is more credible?

1883
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know. Are you referring to the guest

1884
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 4: we had on an hour and twenty minutes ago.

1885
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 8: Uh no, because I didn't hear it. I'm sorry, but no.

1886
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:32,799
Speaker 8: But but in the beginning of the show, you talked

1887
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 8: about the fact that a lot of some sources are

1888
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 8: saying a Red Pitchy staff is bottom five.

1889
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, that's that's that's let me clarify.

1890
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 4: So we we had on a guy at four oh

1891
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:48,640
Speaker 4: five who is a he's a betting writer and he

1892
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 4: was writing about the Reds over under and using a

1893
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 4: model that he has helped come up with. His original

1894
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 4: interpretation of the data from his model was the Reds

1895
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 4: would have a to bottom five rotation in the sport.

1896
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 4: When pressed by a lot of Reds fans online, he

1897
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:08,560
Speaker 4: took another look at the data, realized he had misread it,

1898
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 4: and then arrived at the conclusion that the Reds are

1899
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 4: more likely to have a top five rotation. And look,

1900
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 4: they may not have a top five rotation or a

1901
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 4: bottom five rotation, but if I had to bet an

1902
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:21,240
Speaker 4: amount of money on one or the other I would

1903
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:22,360
Speaker 4: bet top five rotation.

1904
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 8: I would It's all about this health thing. That's all

1905
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,640
Speaker 8: in all sports, right, It's all about health, even with

1906
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:31,719
Speaker 8: Joe and everything.

1907
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 4: I think with the Reds it's health, but it's also depth, Like, look,

1908
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 4: you're only built to withstand so many injuries to any

1909
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:44,479
Speaker 4: starting staff. I think what makes this group potentially really

1910
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 4: really good is hopefully you have no injuries. But it

1911
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 4: does feel like if they deal with let's just say

1912
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 4: your typical pitcher injuries during the season, it shouldn't cause

1913
01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:59,840
Speaker 4: panic and they're built to withstand some of those injuries. Now,

1914
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 4: the depth, it comes in the form mostly of guys

1915
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 4: who don't have a ton of experience, right, So Rhet

1916
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 4: Louder who didn't pitch at all last year, Brandon Williamson,

1917
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 4: the Chase Petty whose big League debut did not go well,

1918
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 4: Chase Burns, who's long on talent been short on experience.

1919
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 4: But I do think the collection of arms they have

1920
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:21,280
Speaker 4: is pretty enviable. And so yeah, man, they need health,

1921
01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 4: Like this team is better off if Andrew Rabbit makes

1922
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,560
Speaker 4: thirty two starts and Nicolodola makes thirty two starts and

1923
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:29,760
Speaker 4: Brady Singer makes thirty starts and Hunter Green makes thirty

1924
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 4: to thirty two starts. But I do feel like they

1925
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:36,759
Speaker 4: have enough depth to be able to withstand some attrition,

1926
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 4: and that hasn't always been the case.

1927
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 8: Now. Do you think that some of Singer's successful last

1928
01:39:43,200 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 8: year was based on the fact that he had always

1929
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Speaker 8: been an American League pitcher and that some of the

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Speaker 8: National League teams Battian lineups hadn't seen it yet. That

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Speaker 8: was just something that cross my mind first time around.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I I don't know that that matters

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Speaker 4: nearly as much in the in the day and age

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Speaker 4: of NonStop interleague play, because you play everybody.

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Speaker 8: Now, Yeah, that's true. Why aren't you going to the combine?

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Speaker 8: I would love that if you wouldn't, Karen would go

1937
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Speaker 8: to the combine and you're gonna say, oh, that's stupid,

1938
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Speaker 8: and I just think it sounds like so much fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 4: I would love I would love it if both of

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Speaker 4: our shows could broadcast from the combine.

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Speaker 2: I think that would be a lot. I think that

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Speaker 2: would be great.

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Speaker 8: Oh my god, that would be You've got to listen

1945
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Speaker 8: to that. That's that's gotta listen to radio.

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Speaker 2: Somebody's got to pay for it. Yeah, there's an answer.

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Speaker 4: It's always got paid for a lot of money, no idea,

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Speaker 4: and that's I don't involve myself in the business part

1949
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Speaker 4: of things. There's a lot of places I wish. I

1950
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Speaker 4: wish we were broadcasting from spring training. I wish we

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Speaker 4: were broadcasting from Fifth Third Arena in the Cintas Center

1952
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Speaker 4: before I game. I wish we were broadcasting from the Combine.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's lots of places. I wish we were

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Speaker 4: broadcasting on Thursday afternoons when the Bengals were on the

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Speaker 4: road on Thursday night, so I can go pie in

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Speaker 4: the sky and tell you all the different places I'd

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Speaker 4: love to broadcast from. But in order to broadcast from anywhere,

1958
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Speaker 4: someone's got to pay for it. There is the capability

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Speaker 4: of broadcasting from the Combine. Now full transparency.

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Speaker 8: I am.

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Speaker 4: I am off two days next week to go to

1962
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Speaker 4: Texas for UC basketball, which I'm looking forward to. But

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Speaker 4: I think it would be cool as hell for our

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Speaker 4: radio station to broadcast both of its local shows from

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Speaker 4: Indianapolis every single year, because I think there would be

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Speaker 4: really good content. But somebody's got to pay for it,

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Speaker 4: and that decision and how that works is well outside

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Speaker 4: my pay grade.

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Speaker 8: Now I got two more questions.

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Speaker 10: I there, you got to go.

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Speaker 8: So so, mister Pagan, I was looking at you know,

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Speaker 8: Dodgers picked up Edwin Diaz. You know, he just studied,

1973
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Speaker 8: and then they got Panner stuff. Get the Dodgers. The

1974
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Speaker 8: Pagan surprised me with his stats from last year. He

1975
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Speaker 8: was a very good closure, very good closure.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think it is worth wondering is the level

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Speaker 4: of success he had last season repeatable? You know, everybody,

1978
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Speaker 4: everybody has a career year. Last year, Emiliopagon's had a

1979
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Speaker 4: good big league career. He's been around a while, and

1980
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Speaker 4: you know, number one, relative to his first season in

1981
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Speaker 4: a Reds uniform last year was awesome. But also for

1982
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Speaker 4: the most part, relative to his you know, basic career averages,

1983
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Speaker 4: last year was a little bit of an outlier. And

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Speaker 4: so I think multiple things can be true. He was

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Speaker 4: good last year. It's also reasonable to wonder can he

1986
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Speaker 4: repeat Look, he's thirty four to thirty five years old.

1987
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Speaker 4: Is is he really capable of repeating the success he

1988
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Speaker 4: had last season?

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Speaker 2: And maybe with.

1990
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Speaker 4: A bullpen that is better constructed, maybe not pitching nearly

1991
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Speaker 4: as many games. The answer can be yes, But he

1992
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Speaker 4: was good last year and that was a pleasant surprise.

1993
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Speaker 4: Is he really going to be capable of having the

1994
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:23,880
Speaker 4: kind of season he had last season this year? I'm

1995
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Speaker 4: a little skeptical.

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Speaker 8: I will admit that is it because he's not you know,

1997
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 8: because what the stereotype is anymore? You know this with closers.

1998
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Speaker 8: If you're not a flamethrower, you're not a closer. But

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Speaker 8: that's not true.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look in the ninth inning, you certainly

2001
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Speaker 4: love a guy who's capable of striking out here. He

2002
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Speaker 4: averaged more than ten strikeouts per nine innings. I mean,

2003
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Speaker 4: he struck out his share of guys. You know, I'd

2004
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Speaker 4: like to see the strikeout to walk ratio be a

2005
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Speaker 4: little bit better than it was last year. But you know,

2006
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Speaker 4: I mean, I just think there's a general sense that

2007
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Speaker 4: if you looked at a lot of teams how their

2008
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:05,599
Speaker 4: bullpen is constructed, would you take their closer or Amelio Pagan?

2009
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Speaker 4: And I still feel like there's a lot of teams

2010
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Speaker 4: where you would take their closer now get you to

2011
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Speaker 4: a hell of a lot worse than Amelio Pagan. But

2012
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Speaker 4: I also think it's fair to say, like, wouldn't it

2013
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Speaker 4: be cool if Amelio Pagan was slid down to the

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Speaker 4: eighth inning guy because that means you have somebody even

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Speaker 4: better in the ninth.

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Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it's like he

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Speaker 2: had a career year last year.

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Speaker 4: Career years, oftentimes, especially for guys in their mid thirties,

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Speaker 4: don't duplicate what happens if that career year this year

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Speaker 4: doesn't duplicate.

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Speaker 2: Fair question.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and what happened to your pussy cast list?

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Speaker 4: Who October lost by three points to the six ranked

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Speaker 4: team in the country on the road.

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Speaker 8: That was a great game, when the great game, it was.

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Speaker 2: An awesome game. Tip to finish high end basketball.

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Speaker 8: And then let me end with this. You've been doing

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Speaker 8: this with me for all these years on getting to

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Speaker 8: a point now where things are looking kind of gloomy.

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Speaker 8: So I just wanted to let you know that I

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Speaker 8: appreciate all you've done for me over the years. Look,

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Speaker 8: letting me be on the air and pain in the ass.

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Speaker 8: So take Karen. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Mike, We we love you and we pray for you.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll talk to you, I'm sure very very soon.

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Speaker 8: Thanks.

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Speaker 4: minutes before he went on the air. Looks like there's

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Speaker 4: it back to Shari. Tony Clark is no longer going

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Speaker 4: to be the MLBPA head, which probably enhances the possibility

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Speaker 4: of a lockout, which, weirdly, a lot of people want,

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Speaker 4: of the big stories in sports, and we don't spend

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Speaker 4: a ton of time on this here, is the NBA

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01:48:03,320 --> 01:48:06,840
Speaker 4: has a tanking issue, and it's very unbecoming when you

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01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 4: see teams in early February who are blatantly trying to

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Speaker 4: not win, sitting all of their players in competitive games,

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Speaker 4: all of their good players and competitive games. And it's

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Speaker 4: not just one or two teams, it's like six, seven,

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Speaker 4: maybe eight teams doing so two months before the season

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01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:25,800
Speaker 4: comes to an end. And so one of the big

2090
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 4: questions is how does that league solve its tanking issue?

2091
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 4: And it's got a tanking issue. My perspective on these

2092
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 4: things hasn't changed since I was in college. Many have

2093
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:41,519
Speaker 4: jumped on the bandwagon. I believe sports would be a

2094
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 4: lot better if we gave every team that wins the

2095
01:48:43,960 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 4: championship the first pick in the draft, and the team

2096
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 4: that doesn't win the championship the second pick in the draft,

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Speaker 4: and the team that finishes with the worst record the

2098
01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:51,599
Speaker 4: last pick in the first.

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Speaker 2: Round of the draft.

2100
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Speaker 4: And maybe even be better if we didn't have drafts

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01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 4: to begin with and let the best businesses have the

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Speaker 4: first cracket employees. But whatever, neither of the those things

2103
01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:04,439
Speaker 4: are going to happen. But like everybody who covers sports

2104
01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:07,599
Speaker 4: and everybody who covers that league has gotten a column

2105
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:12,680
Speaker 4: out of this topic, or they've gotten airtime out of

2106
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 4: this topic, podcast minutes, whatever you want to say, here's

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Speaker 4: the part that none of them will acknowledge. Many, if

2108
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 4: not most, fans are okay with it when they're team tanks.

2109
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Speaker 4: Did you listen to Bengals fans when they won those

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Speaker 4: two games late ish in the season that at least

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Speaker 4: put them on the fringe of the postseason chase, Like

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Speaker 4: late in the year they beat the Ravens on Thanksgiving Night,

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Speaker 4: beat the Dolphins that win itself, the Miami game occurred

2114
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Speaker 4: after they were already eliminated. There were fans who were

2115
01:49:56,560 --> 01:50:00,160
Speaker 4: legitimately pissed off that the Bengals.

2116
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:00,639
Speaker 2: Won those games.

2117
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:04,200
Speaker 4: Who didn't understand to a degree why the Bengals were

2118
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 4: trying to win those games. Now, maybe you didn't want

2119
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:12,880
Speaker 4: to see them blatantly try to lose, but I kind

2120
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 4: of feel like one of the issues with tanking in

2121
01:50:16,200 --> 01:50:20,800
Speaker 4: all sports in this country is we've normalized it to

2122
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:23,720
Speaker 4: the degree that fans are kind of okay with it.

2123
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 4: The Reds tanked in twenty twenty two. Now, when I

2124
01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:32,760
Speaker 4: say tanked organizationally, I don't believe the players on the

2125
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:34,960
Speaker 4: field were trying to lose games. I don't believe the

2126
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,639
Speaker 4: manager David Bell was trying to lose games. They still

2127
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 4: lost plenty of games, but the Reds in essence tanked

2128
01:50:41,400 --> 01:50:45,519
Speaker 4: that year. We're not really gonna try to make the

2129
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:47,880
Speaker 4: team any better. In fact, we're gonna unload all the

2130
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:48,479
Speaker 4: good players.

2131
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 8: We have.

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Speaker 4: The frustration that anybody felt about that was exacerbated when

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Speaker 4: Phil Castellini made his opening day comments where else you're

2134
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Speaker 4: going to go but the plan itself. I sat here

2135
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Speaker 4: and listened to fans, hardcore Reds fans defend it. That's tanking.

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01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:13,679
Speaker 4: It gets repurposed and repackaged as hey, we're rebuilding, Okay,

2137
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:17,439
Speaker 4: you're tanking in the middle twenty tens. The Reds tanked.

2138
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:21,280
Speaker 4: We're gonna trade away Cuato in league. We're gonna trade

2139
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:23,719
Speaker 4: away Todd Frazier. We're gonna give away a role as Chapman.

2140
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:28,519
Speaker 4: We're we're not gonna sign anybody really to replace those players.

2141
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 4: We're gonna go cheap on the roster. We're not really

2142
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Speaker 4: gonna make any real attempt to win in the short term.

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Speaker 4: It's a rebuild. It's tanking. Basketball is a little bit

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Speaker 4: different because one player can change your entire team. That's

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Speaker 4: not happening in baseball. One draft can dramatically change your

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Speaker 4: fortunes in the NBA. That's not happening in the short

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Speaker 4: term for the most part in baseball. But like unfortunately

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Speaker 4: tanking works in the NBA, tanking works in baseball. The

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Speaker 4: Cubs tanked. Look what I got them twenty sixteen World Series.

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Speaker 4: The Astros tanked for years. They've been really good for

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Speaker 4: a decade.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 4: There's lots of teams of tank and it doesn't work.

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Speaker 4: But I think that, like the fan acceptance of tanking

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Speaker 4: is something that doesn't get written about and talked about

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Speaker 4: a lot. It's only a problem if it really like

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Speaker 4: impacts and I'm sure there are people who love those

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Speaker 4: teams that are tanking right now, and they're not as

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Speaker 4: invested in the day to day of their teams, but

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Speaker 4: they're kind of okay with whatever quick fix there is

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Speaker 4: to get their team back to relevance. I think sports fans,

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Speaker 4: for the most part, are okay with tanking. I don't

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Speaker 4: know if if sports fans are okay with like the

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Speaker 4: teams not trying to win, and when I say the teams,

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Speaker 4: like the players, you know, blatantly trying to throw games.

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Speaker 4: But organizational tanking, I think is largely accepted by fans,

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Speaker 4: accepted and embraced, and unfortunately, there's a bit of a

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Speaker 4: track record of it working, enough of a track record

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Speaker 4: of tanking working, Like the greatest thing the Bengals have

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Speaker 4: done this century was go two and fourteen in twenty

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Speaker 4: nineteen and lose that game to the Miami Dolphins, which

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Speaker 4: guaranteed they got Joe Burrow. Since they got Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 4: This season was awful, but for the most part they

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Speaker 4: have been relevant. So I by the way, the Pole

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Speaker 4: question that sixty percent of you are okay with tanking,

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Speaker 4: and frankly, I think the numbers actually in reality a

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Speaker 4: lot higher. I don't think fans have a big issue

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Speaker 4: with teams tanking. I think paying customers have an issue

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Speaker 4: with not watching the best players at times. I don't

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01:53:42,880 --> 01:53:45,080
Speaker 4: think fans have a major issue with a team saying like,

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Speaker 4: our best way of being more relevant is losing, and

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Speaker 4: so we're not going to go overboard and trying to win. Now,

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Speaker 4: if you tank and there's no like long term success

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Speaker 4: because of it, fans are gonna throw up their hands

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Speaker 4: and get tired. In twenty eighteen, fans stopped going to

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Speaker 4: Reds games, thirty four year low, but it was at

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Speaker 4: the end of five consecutive non winning seasons and a

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Speaker 4: whole bunch of of years where the Reds were not

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Speaker 4: really trying to win. That's tanking again, Like no player

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Speaker 4: was trying to not win, no manager was trying to

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Speaker 4: not win, but you know, the front office wasn't exactly

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Speaker 4: equipping the team with what they needed to win. So,

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Speaker 4: to me, like part of the issue is we've normalized it,

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Speaker 4: it's been accepted, there's a track record of it working.

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Speaker 4: I don't think fans are as anti tanking as many

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Speaker 4: in the media would acknowledge. Thirteen from six vote now

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Speaker 4: at Moegar. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty traffic.

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Speaker 5: ten minute delay. Southbound seventy one seventy five, two minute

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Speaker 5: delay from Fort Washington Way to Kyle's Lane. I'm at

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Speaker 5: Ezelk with traffic, this report.

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Speaker 4: This show at four oh five talk FC Cincinnati, Rick

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Speaker 4: Brooring on tonight's Xavier Villanova game and look ahead to

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Speaker 4: a hometel for the NKU Norse as the regular season

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Speaker 4: winds down for Darren Hornsteam that is going to be

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Speaker 4: at three forty five tomorrow, NKU it is I'm jogging

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Speaker 4: my memory here and I'm.

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Speaker 2: Going to the game. NKU is playing Prdue Fort Layne tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, brilliant. Are you gonna stop by?

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Speaker 2: If they had a Rick I am.

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Speaker 4: Going to stop by and say I had a Rick. Yes,

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Speaker 4: we'll talk to Rick on the show and say hi

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Speaker 4: to him at the game. By the way, Tony Clark

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Speaker 4: apparently stepped down as the MLBPA had because he had

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Speaker 4: an inappropriate relationship with his sister in law, who was

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Speaker 4: hired by the union in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Now is that brother's wife? Is that wife's sister.

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Speaker 4: Oh, there are some painfully awkward conversations happening right now

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Speaker 4: in Tony Clark's world.

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Speaker 2: You said dinner should be fine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, sure, that was a fun phone call to make. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: good luck to Tony Clark who hit the game winning

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Speaker 4: home run in the victory. That friend of the show,

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Speaker 4: Carlos Guevara earned congratulations to him. That was pointed out

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Speaker 4: to me on the internet. We're done shows over, got

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Speaker 4: to go. Don't forget Tony Pike since three sixty at noon.

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Speaker 4: We're back tomorrow at three oh five. Have the greatest

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Speaker 4: night of your life. Thanks to Tarren Bland for producing.

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Speaker 4: Thanks to you for listening. This is ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati Sports station.

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