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Speaker 2: It's Scott's flowing back on seven hundred w all just

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Speaker 2: bit later on our curs Shirp, I will get into

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Speaker 2: the Nancy Guthrie abduction and thoughts on that coming up first. Though,

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Speaker 2: Ohio high school athletes were allowed to accept nil deal

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Speaker 2: OSU commit, and they saw the writing on the wal one.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we can win this, and so we'll

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Speaker 2: give in and we'll allow name, image and likeness deals

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Speaker 2: as we do in college for high school students. We

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Speaker 2: had a new bill out that would ban ANIL deals

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Speaker 2: less than a year before they started. One of the

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Speaker 2: people who are co sponsoring this is our buddy representative

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Speaker 2: Adam Byrd, the Birdman out of New Richmond and Claremont County.

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Speaker 1: How are you, hey, Scott. It's great to be with

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Speaker 1: you and looking forward to seeing what we can do

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Speaker 1: to protect our students in Ohio, Io from from what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we saw what's an unravelling in college and some

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Speaker 2: way it used to be. I don't think you could

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Speaker 2: put the two space back in the tube, but it

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Speaker 2: comes a little bit different in reality. How many kids

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Speaker 2: in high school high schools is this going to impact? Really,

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Speaker 2: it's not that many, is it. And therefore, if that's true,

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Speaker 2: why don't we need to roll this back?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no way to know how many this effects because,

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Speaker 1: don't think that we can allow this to stand for

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Speaker 1: the for the benefit and protection of our young people.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so what is it you're trying to protect them from? Exactly? Explain?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's yes, and so you know, I believe that

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Speaker 1: athletics and high school are an extension of the classroom.

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Speaker 1: They're co curricular activity that is responsible for helping to

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Speaker 1: so that's the reason why we provide these opportunities for

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Speaker 1: young people. It's not about how much money that they

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Speaker 2: Push back on that ago. Both of those can exist

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Speaker 2: and probably even more so if money is involved, and

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Speaker 3: No doubt about.

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Speaker 2: But the bulk of kids just simply are looking for

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Speaker 2: But for those few that would benefit from the NIL deal,

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, if you're going to have certain kids

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Speaker 1: And so when the school is not allowed to know

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Speaker 3: But isn't that going on now?

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Speaker 1: Well, I agree there is recruiting going on now, and

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it ruined it. What happened. We're

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Speaker 2: If you're a student or the parents of a student,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I get the team unity in things, but

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Speaker 3: So we already have that disparity. That's nothing new.

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Speaker 2: Well should we be celebrating? I mean I look at

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Speaker 1: And they should be there to learn and grow and

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Speaker 3: Anyway. Is this a you know, killing an aunt with

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Speaker 3: And again, this is what it's happening. It's happening right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's scientific data out there that show that college

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and okay, it's double where it was, but the

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Speaker 2: It's about, you know, the person themselves as opposed to

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Speaker 3: I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, this bill is about returning the

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Speaker 1: I don't want to micromanage OHSAA. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: Isn't this going to create a black market? Again?

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Speaker 2: I mean it existed before. There are schools out there

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Speaker 2: private schools. How would that apply to the how'd that

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know that there's there's been that kind

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Speaker 1: I don't think that we should. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: We're talking about teenagers here. They're talking about teenagers that's

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Speaker 2: Now, well, I think they also get some if they're

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Speaker 3: It's not like they're complete victims. Well, I mean the

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Speaker 1: Do you want to do that? If you want? If

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the protection thing, so doesn't that I mentioned

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Speaker 3: I don't know how how often it does, but it does.

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Speaker 2: It still Hal's happening right now as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 2: Adam's final point is it is this a nanny state issue?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think we have a duty. Okay, we have

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Speaker 2: But if my point is if the parents are okay

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Speaker 1: You know? Mostly I think people constituents are listening and learning.

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Speaker 2: probably the other date. Adam Richmond, I'm sorry, Adam Bird

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Speaker 3: Appreciate coming on absolutely Scott's thanks.

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