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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBSY, Boston's Radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, we did a couple of one relatively light and

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Speaker 2: one topic that I thought would be of more interest

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 3: And Terry.

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Speaker 2: If you're listening, I'll be happy to talk to you

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Speaker 2: and try to help direct you to some help for

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Speaker 2: that situation that you find yourself where you believe that

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Speaker 2: you find yourself in. But there was a big story.

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Speaker 2: We of course did spend an hour earlier tonight at

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Speaker 2: nine o'clock talking about the storm which I think is

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Speaker 2: still lingering off the coast, and now we have to

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Speaker 2: worry about a storm coming in this potentially coming in

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Speaker 2: this weekend. But I want to talk about the the

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Speaker 2: event on Saturday morning in which an individual shot and killed,

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Speaker 2: and there have been some late developments on this story.

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Speaker 2: What I'm talking about is the the shooting of Alex

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Speaker 2: Pretty or pretty, I'm not sure how he pronounces his name.

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Speaker 2: He was shot upwards of ten times by an immigration

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Speaker 2: agent or agents after he was seen filming them. I

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Speaker 2: think by now all of you have seen what transpired

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Speaker 2: on that street right in front of him, I think,

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Speaker 2: very close to a dunkin Donuts. So it's Saturday morning,

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Speaker 2: there were no big crowds around that I could perceive.

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Speaker 2: I've looked at the video and we we have talked

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Speaker 2: about the shooting of nain Nicole Good. Just as that

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Speaker 2: seemed to quiet down somewhat, there was another shooting of

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Speaker 2: an individual which sounded like a legitimate shooting where he

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Speaker 2: was shot in the leg and wounded. And he apparently

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Speaker 2: was someone who who the ICE agents were pursuing, or

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Speaker 2: he was a targeted he was a target of immigration

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Speaker 2: and customs officers. But I think all of you have

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Speaker 2: seen what happened on Saturday morning, and there's been some

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Speaker 2: late developments today which I want to share with you.

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Speaker 2: So apparently President Donald Trump and the Governor of Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: Tim Walls, had a phone call today. There have been

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Speaker 2: statements released that again according to NBC News, according to

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Speaker 2: The New York Times, that both the President and Governor

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Speaker 2: Walls of Minnesota, after the phone calls set each signaled,

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Speaker 2: according to NBC News, a potential path forward to ease

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Speaker 2: the boiling tensions in the state created by two shooting

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Speaker 2: debts by federal immigration agents. In a post on truth

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Speaker 2: Social President Trump said the Democratic leader meeting Governor Tim

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Speaker 2: Walls requested that they work together. Trump wrote, quote, it

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Speaker 2: was a very good call, and we actually seemed to

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Speaker 2: be on a similar wavelength unquote. Apparently after the call,

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Speaker 2: Governor Walls also made some comments in which he characterized

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Speaker 2: the call as being a positive conversation. Now do I

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Speaker 2: think that they see I do I know, but I

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Speaker 2: think the fact that they're at least talking to one

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Speaker 2: another is a is a good development. I've watched the

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Speaker 2: video of this thirty seven year old. I know nothing

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Speaker 2: about his background other than what has been reported. And

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Speaker 2: I see you nurse at a at a veterans hospital

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota. He allegedly was carrying a nine milimeter gun.

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Speaker 2: I never saw him brandish that gun. I saw that

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Speaker 2: there was a scuffle that he was videotaping or with

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Speaker 2: his camera U of videotape videoing what was going on.

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Speaker 2: And apparently there were there were a couple of, uh

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Speaker 2: at least one, maybe two women who were being man handled, handled,

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Speaker 2: confronted whatever you want from from by ice agents and

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Speaker 2: this individ Alex Preddy again I hope I'm pronouncing his

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Speaker 2: name correctly, interjected himself into the situation. At that point,

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Speaker 2: the focus of the ice agents turned away from the

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Speaker 2: women towards towards pretty He was hit with some form

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Speaker 2: of orange chemical. I assume it was the equivalent of

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Speaker 2: mace or something like that. Within a matter of seconds,

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Speaker 2: there were five or six agents on top of him.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he had much of a chance of

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Speaker 2: was licensed to carry a nine millimeter. Why he would

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Speaker 2: be walking around with a nine millimeter There's kind of

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Speaker 2: a judgment question there. Again, I think you introduce yourself

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Speaker 2: Bottom line is that for the first time today there

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Speaker 2: Walls have spoken. Apparently all the networks have reported tonight

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Speaker 2: that Gregory bon Bovino bought a patrol official who was

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Speaker 2: had him on the ground and under control. Why gunfire

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Speaker 2: not like it's at dark at night and someone thought

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Speaker 2: the ICE agents should have had cooperation from Minnesota officials.

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Speaker 2: Minderstanding is there about thirteen hundred people in custody in

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Speaker 2: Minnesota who are here illegally and have are some of

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Speaker 2: the people that the ICE agents are looking for. I say,

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Speaker 2: anyone who we can get out of the country who

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Speaker 2: But when you have two people who neither of whom

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Speaker 2: weeks ago or pretty who was shot on Saturday, appeared

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Speaker 2: the agents. Now again, situations get out of control. I

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Speaker 2: get it. People sometimes can make mistakes, but this one

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Speaker 2: on Saturday, as I watched it, I just thought, this

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Speaker 2: is and I knew nothing about Freddie, but an ICU

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Speaker 2: nurse at a VIA at a veterans hospital doesn't sound

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Speaker 2: like some terrorist, which he was. He was called immediately.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to open up the phone lines. I

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Speaker 2: want to hear from you, from all of you, six

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Speaker 2: I think that you can feel too, that you can

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Speaker 2: do what I'm doing, and that is support the idea

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Speaker 2: of getting criminal illegal immigrants out of the country, particularly

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Speaker 2: those who have committed crimes here or gang members. And

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Speaker 2: at the same time look somewhat skeptically on these two events,

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Speaker 2: both the shooting of Renee Good and the shooting of

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Speaker 2: thirty seven year old Alex Preddy. Let's get it go

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Speaker 2: in here. Love to hear your points of view, whether

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Speaker 2: you agree or disagree. Coming back on Nightside, It's Nightside

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Speaker 2: with Dan Ray, Boston's news radio. Apparently, President Trump also

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Speaker 2: today said that the operations in Washington, d C. And

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Speaker 2: a tremendous success. Mister Trump said crime in Minnesota was

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Speaker 2: way down. He added, both Governor Wallas and I want

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Speaker 2: to make it better. This is is an interesting development,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know what the implications are, but I

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Speaker 2: think we I think we got to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Let me go first to Tom in West Virginia. Tom

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Speaker 2: loved to get your reaction to this conversation. Again, we

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Speaker 2: don't have a print out of the conversation between the

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Speaker 2: President and Governor Walls, but the fact they're talking, after

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Speaker 2: I think is a good thing. I'd love to know

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Speaker 2: what you think.

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Speaker 4: Well, first, let me say how thrilled I am to

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Speaker 4: hear liberals, progresses and Democrats saying this man was exercising

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Speaker 4: his constitutional right of the Second Amendment. How refreshing to

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Speaker 4: hear for a change.

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Speaker 2: There's some irony on that. I understand.

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Speaker 4: The iron there is right. However, a man is dead.

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Speaker 4: I have a concealed carry in the state of Massachusetts.

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Speaker 4: As a non resident, I have a concealed carry in

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Speaker 4: the state of West Virginia. Now, I don't know if

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Speaker 4: mister Freddie had his weapon concealed or had it, you know,

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Speaker 4: on his person where you could see it. I don't

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Speaker 4: know the facts of that. And I did check the

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Speaker 4: laws of Minnesota. If you have a concealed carry permit,

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Speaker 4: you can lawfully in public have a handgun exposed on

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Speaker 5: Okay, so that will be what will be called open carry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But by the way, just to comment on my observation,

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Speaker 3: I looked at the video of him as he was

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Speaker 2: Or to record. I could not see anything when he

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Speaker 2: clear view. I could not see anything which suggested.

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Speaker 4: That what hold on, hold on? What?

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Speaker 4: What part of the body were you looking at him?

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Speaker 2: I was looking, as I'm simply saying, I was looking at.

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Speaker 4: The left hang on Dan was the left? Was it

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Speaker 4: hand side of his body? Because most people that wear

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Speaker 4: So we don't know that. No, we don't know, Tom,

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Speaker 2: Don't do me?

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Speaker 4: Let me let me explain.

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Speaker 2: You've interrupted me twice. Now, I'm simply trying to make

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Speaker 2: a simple statement that I looked fairly carefully at him,

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Speaker 2: before that I could not see. Could have he had it? Uh?

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Speaker 2: don't know. Down No, there was nothing that was obvious

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Speaker 2: to me. That's all I'm saying. Did he have it?

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Speaker 2: And did I miss it? I guess that's possible, but

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Speaker 2: others have looked at it. I didn't see anything, That's

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Speaker 2: all I'm saying. I'm not saying, well, didn't, I'm just

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Speaker 4: So here's the point that I've seen one video of

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Speaker 4: he was holding a cell phone. And would it appeared

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Speaker 4: I never saw his right hand side. Maybe there are

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Speaker 4: videos of that. And then the other question is where

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Speaker 4: that should probably ring a bell of a person that

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Speaker 4: was shot by a Minnesota cop. His name was Philando

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Speaker 4: Castile and it was Facebook live and he told an

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Speaker 4: officer during a traffic stop. He was sitting in the

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Speaker 4: weapon permit license and I have a concealed weapon in

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Speaker 4: my back pocket or on my person. The police officer,

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Speaker 4: there was no video him, but you could hear the

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Speaker 4: police officers say, don't don't reach for it, don't don't

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Speaker 4: grab it. Philando Cassill did never expose the handgun he

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Speaker 4: was shot, breaking out his wallet. And it was another

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Speaker 4: I have no doubt in this case that very very

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Speaker 4: well that these ice agents who've been harassed the whole

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's fascinating for some of our audience to

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Speaker 2: And you can agree or disagree. Six one seven, two

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Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's

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Speaker 2: Back to the phone to go, we go to David

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Speaker 6: Yes, so he had a gun and he shot it

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Speaker 2: I've watched the video. I've not seen that. I've not

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Speaker 2: Let's do this.

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Speaker 7: Look, Dave, you know what you see.

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Speaker 2: Guess what I know what I see too. So therefore

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Speaker 6: Why would you let me say what I saw?

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Speaker 2: You've already said what you saw.

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Speaker 6: He shut the bullet in the ground. They were struggling

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Speaker 2: When the bullet it's okay, do you know what, Dave

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Speaker 2: what the investigation comes out. Why do you think President

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Speaker 7: You're dependent on your media.

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Speaker 6: I got I got an in law, I got a

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Speaker 6: He's the guy that told the Detroit New York Times

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Speaker 2: Okay, there strong viewpoints. I'm not gonna bickle with you.

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Speaker 2: Let me go next to Jeff and Abington. Jeff, I

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Speaker 6: Hey, how you doing Dan?

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Speaker 7: There is a spot where another officer reaches into his waistband,

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Speaker 7: one out there that shows the second step he takes

440
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Speaker 7: and the gun discharges. You hear somebody yell he's got

441
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 7: a gun bad? Yeah, really, really quick. So I'm really

442
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 7: glad we shared the same opinion. I don't want to

443
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Speaker 7: get fleshed on the toilet.

444
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Speaker 2: You're not going first of all, you're a gentleman. I mean,

445
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: it's gonna someone gonna call me up. Spake the time

446
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: to call me up. I was trying to be nice

447
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: to Jeff, say, look, I hope we can have a conversation.

448
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the worst guy in the world. Okay, well,

449
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: yeah we're Where is the conversation gonna go from there? Jeff?

450
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Speaker 7: And we spoke about that last night too, though, the

451
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 7: total anger at everybody else. Yeah, talking about miss Good

452
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Speaker 7: and the shooting. Yes, with the officer she hit with

453
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Speaker 7: the car, yep, So we spoke and we said, why

454
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 7: would you take a pistol to an ice operation? Why

455
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Speaker 7: don't we also say, and I know it's gonna sound harsh,

456
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 7: why the hell did you step in front of the

457
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 7: car when the car was moving?

458
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Speaker 2: Well, he had walked around this the guy that shot her,

459
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: had had circled the car. Uh, and he had passed

460
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Speaker 2: by the front of the car. He had actually gone

461
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Speaker 2: to you know, started on the on the left rear,

462
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Speaker 2: walked around the back. I don't know if he was

463
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Speaker 2: taking the license plate number or whatever. He was videotaping

464
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Speaker 2: as well. Then he walked up the right side of

465
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Speaker 2: the car, walked across the front of the car and

466
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Speaker 2: was sort of initially in front of where the left

467
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Speaker 2: headlight would be, and that would that makes it a

468
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: closer call. It wasn't as if he was right in

469
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Speaker 2: front of the car, and no, he had passed by

470
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Speaker 2: the front of the car. And then when the other

471
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Speaker 2: office was saying get out of the car and her

472
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: partner said step on it, get out of here, she

473
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: followed that instruction and you could see here starting to

474
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Speaker 2: turn the wheel to the right, and then the shots

475
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Speaker 2: were fired. So yeah, but my last you kept me saying, well,

476
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: your call has kept me saying, particularly after the last two. Thanks.

477
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: Thanks Bud. You eventually this this, but then they're talking

478
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: about one next weekend, so stay ready, okay, Thanks Brent,

479
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: Thanks budd Man you soon. Good night. Let me go

480
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Speaker 2: to Sherry in Marblehead. Hey, Sherry, you are next to

481
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Speaker 2: the Nights. I pretty close to wes Newbury up there. Hi, Sherry, Hi,

482
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Speaker 2: I'm doing I'm doing okay. I think.

483
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Speaker 8: I had a different kind of a take on this.

484
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 8: Who I was at a meeting this after I zoom

485
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 8: meeting this afternoon. We were talking about where people get

486
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 8: their information and what I've been doing for the past

487
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 8: couple of weeks, and I don't always watch both, but

488
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 8: tonight I thought I would because I just wanted to

489
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Speaker 8: see how they were covering this story.

490
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Speaker 6: So I tape of.

491
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Speaker 8: Switching down to ABC News from CBS, which I watched

492
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Speaker 8: for many many years, So ABC News, and then I

493
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 8: also taped Brett Bear, so I watched them, you know,

494
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 8: back to back, and I thought it was really interesting

495
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 8: how differently they covered this On Fox. What they emphasized

496
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 8: was the protesters who were unruly and and they were

497
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 8: breaking windows where they thought that the ICE agents were

498
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 8: staying in the windows of the hotel where the ICE

499
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Speaker 8: agents were staying, and they really concentrated on that violence

500
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Speaker 8: by some and I didn't like too many. I hope

501
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 8: it wasn't too many. I hope it shouldn't be anybody,

502
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 8: but of the protesters who they called it a mob.

503
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this would have been at some point prior to Saturday.

504
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Speaker 2: This would have happened last week because I think there

505
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: was some hotel that people were demonstrating around.

506
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Speaker 8: They're still showing that, so they're not so that. I

507
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 8: wasn't aware of that, but I know they had another

508
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 8: incident where people entered a church, which they.

509
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Speaker 2: Also shouldn't Well, that was a week ago Sunday, which

510
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: was which was disreputable and never should have happened, right,

511
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: and they are. There have been some people who have

512
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Speaker 2: been charged in relation to that for disrupting a church service.

513
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Speaker 2: So that's that's part of an act that Congress passed

514
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: several years ago to protect people UH, to prosecute people

515
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: who would try to inter fear with UH centers where

516
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: were abortion services were provided. And the demo, the Republicans

517
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: had added an amendment also church services, so that that

518
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Speaker 2: was a federal crime.

519
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Speaker 8: But they said that one of the ministers I guess

520
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Speaker 8: was was a highly placed ICE agent and that's why

521
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 8: they Yes, well.

522
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Speaker 2: That's right, right, so go ahead. I mean, I didn't

523
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: mean to irupt, but I just wanted to place the

524
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Speaker 2: sequence here. That was a week ago Sundays.

525
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Speaker 8: I didn't none of the protesters that they showed tonight,

526
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Speaker 8: breaking windows of the hotel where they thought the ICE

527
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 8: agents were staying happened before, Alex Pretty's before.

528
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Speaker 2: I don't know that for sure. I know that there

529
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: was a demonstration aut a hotel at a hotel last week.

530
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Speaker 2: I want to I want to say Tuesday, where they

531
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: were causing a lot of noise and rockets and the hotel.

532
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, uh, maybe it was after Alex Preddy. I

533
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: don't know, but but so what's your what is your planin?

534
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Speaker 7: Is that just that?

535
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 8: That's that's how Uh. Fox covered it and they didn't

536
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 8: spend as I recall something they have seen remember differently

537
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 8: with the hitches this evening, But I don't think that

538
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 8: they covered the actual attack or murder as closely as

539
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 8: ABC did. ABC showed you different, many different views of

540
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 8: how it happened. And my take on that was a

541
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Speaker 8: I'm not a gun owner, so I don't know. I

542
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 8: don't know the knowledge that some of your previous callers have.

543
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 8: But my take on it was that they they wrestled

544
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 8: him to the ground because he looked like he was interfering.

545
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 8: He was trying to protect a woman, and is what

546
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 8: I and he his hands up and then one of

547
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 8: the ice officers walked away and said, I have the gun.

548
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 6: I have the gun.

549
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 7: Is how it was?

550
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 4: It was?

551
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: He might have said, he might have said in the

552
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: midst of it, and again this is the stuff we'll

553
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: have to find out. He might have said, look, I

554
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: have a gun. I have a gun, and he might

555
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 2: have said it to inform them and to try to

556
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: make sure that nobody panicked and the other guy might

557
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: have said, you know, I got the gun again. I

558
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: think we're speculating there.

559
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 8: Yet they hit him pin then there were five or

560
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 8: six agents on the ground could have done and then

561
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 8: you could see one of the ice people shooting him,

562
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 8: just point blank shooting him. And they have you know,

563
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 8: between seven and nine shots. They are ten shots.

564
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and whether that included the if there was indeed

565
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: a misfire, all this stuff has to come out. All

566
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: I'm saying was not a good look. It's horrible. It's horrible.

567
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 7: Uh.

568
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 2: And the fact that Waltz and Trump today out of

569
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: this tragedy this, I mean, it's a tragedy that two

570
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: lives have been lost. Yea, these are two people who

571
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: you know should be alive today. That's all I'm saying, Cherry,

572
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 2: I love you call.

573
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 8: But it was also reported so quickly by the administration

574
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 8: about what had happened before anybody knew anything about what

575
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 8: had happens. My point was just that it depends really

576
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 8: where you get your information.

577
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: Well, it does a little bit, but eventually, eventually the

578
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: truth will come out. And let us hope that whatever

579
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: is the truth comes out. Simple as that, Sharry, I'm

580
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: way past my forty five break. I took you quickly.

581
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: Interesting call. Have you called me before since your first

582
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 2: time calling.

583
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 8: Many many years ago?

584
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: You got to call more often. I might not be

585
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: here many years from now. Okay, thank you Sherry for me.

586
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 8: I might about the same age.

587
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: All right, good night. I'm gonna try to get everybody

588
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: in and it's going to be tough back after this

589
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: on Night Side.

590
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's

591
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: news radio.

592
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: We have pack lines. I'm going to ask everybody to

593
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: be as direct as they can. Okay, simple as that.

594
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: Dave in Kansas City, Go ahead, Dave.

595
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 4: Hey, how's it going so far?

596
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: So good? Go right ahead, my friend.

597
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 5: Okay, the gale that was shot should never have been shot.

598
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 5: They are stagent, are just doing their job what they're

599
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 5: supposed to do. I think they're getting a little bit

600
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 5: carried away though. That's the only problem.

601
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 2: I think.

602
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 5: I mean. Trump's idea of getting rid of the illegal immigrants.

603
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 5: His intentions are good. I agree with you, they need

604
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 5: they need to be a little more uh concerned about

605
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 5: the people that they're they're trying to get rid of.

606
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, David, being being a police officer is a tough

607
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: job in whatever level, federal, state of local. And you know,

608
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: one of the things you do when you take the

609
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: oath that you kind of abuse your your power. There's

610
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: a lot of power with it, but you gotta you

611
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: got to be circumspect. And what I saw on Saturday,

612
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: it looked like a group who had lost control of

613
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: the situation.

614
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 5: You need to that's the thing.

615
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 2: Maintain control. Hey, Dave, you have never called me before.

616
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 5: I'm afraid of it. They're going to start. People are

617
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 5: going to start ambush and the ice agents.

618
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with. I totally agree with you, Dave,

619
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: hey Man, look to me, favorite become a regular caller,

620
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: your voice of reason?

621
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Speaker 4: Oh thank you?

622
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 5: I mean that a DJ in high school.

623
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: Okay, well, come on back soon. How'd you listen to

624
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: us tonight? This is your first time calling obviously?

625
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 4: Ah, my echo? You what I like the app?

626
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: You like the app?

627
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 7: Well?

628
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: Thank you much, my friend. We'll talk soon. Okay, it's

629
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Speaker 2: a law by good night. Uh let me get real quickly.

630
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: Tim in Wilburn, Tim, next on nights. I go ahead.

631
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 6: You said a while ago they should all illegal.

632
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 7: Immigrants that have committed serious crimes should be deported.

633
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: I agree, period, period with you.

634
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 6: Have a good night, Dan.

635
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, Tim direct succinct and to the

636
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: point Eric in Maine. Eric, we got probably thirty seconds

637
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: or so.

638
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 9: Go ahead, okay, real quick, go I saw the guy,

639
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 9: the cop grabbed the gun, take about five stabs and

640
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 9: then you're gun shots and then he got shot three

641
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 9: times on the back.

642
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 4: So that happened.

643
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: Well, uh, I agree with you. I believe that there's

644
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: some speculation. It's only speculation is that the gun that

645
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: the guy was carrying, which was taken off his body,

646
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 2: has a very sensitive trigger mechanism, and that that single

647
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: shot the guy said, I you know, if it's true,

648
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: we got to figure it out, right.

649
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, we need to figure it out.

650
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 9: And the thing is, why is the federal government obstructing

651
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 9: the state and city police what had happened on their land?

652
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: Well, I think that they had expected more cooperation from

653
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: the state and city police. Eric, you got to call

654
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: more more often, and you got to call a little

655
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: earlier because a flat out of time. Thank you.

656
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Speaker 9: Okay, Duane, thanks very much, talk.

657
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Speaker 2: To you soon. Done for the night, Rob, great job,

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Speaker 2: Marie A great job. Will be back tomorrow night. We

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Speaker 2: on Night Side with Dan Ray on Facebook. Have a

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Speaker 2: great Tuesday, everybody,