1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Well, here is where I would play a talkback if 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: I had any And there are rules, hence the rules 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: of engagement we just played. If you do not play 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: a talkback, or you do not leave us in the back, 5 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: no ye, I'm gonna make it quick, just rip it 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: off like a bed. If you don't leave a talkback, 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: you get the kamala cackle. Ladies and gentlemen, there you go. 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: I'm Jimmy Sangenberger filling in for Michael Brown, and I'm 9 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: not satisfied to have this talkback and situation be as 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: it is where Dragon had no choice. 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: He's for us. 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 4: It's the rules. 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: It's Friday, I know it is already on vacation the cats. 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 4: It's the rules. 15 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: Cackle and kamala. Boy, that's one thing I don't miss 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: in the White House, much as I might at times 17 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 2: be frustrated with President Trump. Like and we'll touch on 18 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: the again in the next segment, the Tina Peters so 19 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: called pardon Oh my gosh, so many things that are 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: just so much better and nicer with Trump in office 21 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: versus Biden, with jd Vance in office versus Kamala and 22 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: the cackle. 23 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 4: I mean, at. 24 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: Least the only time you're really going to hear the 25 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: cackle is on this program, the Situation Room with Michael Brown. 26 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 2: When you don't submit a talkback on the iHeartRadio app. 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: Simple rules, very simple rules. Come on, Goober's get with 28 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: the program now. I have not done it, Dragon, How 29 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,199 Speaker 2: have I gone to this point without mentioning the place 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: where folks can go to read all of my columns, 31 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: access podcasts from when I fill in here or on 32 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: our sister station K Howe and other content you could 33 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: follow When the Jimmy Junior Blues Band performs like tonight, 34 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 2: by the way, from seven to eleven PM, we will 35 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: be at in the Zone in Golden Randy Bernstein and 36 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: Joel Duchek will be joining us as special guest on guitar, 37 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 2: Terry Schmidt on the keys, and my drummer Mike Rossi 38 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: bass player Ken Cornell. You'rs truly known as Jimmy Junior 39 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: on harmonica. And then we've got a mix and match 40 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: of vocals including me, and you can click right on 41 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: the homepage. 42 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 4: I've got it. 43 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 2: I made it easy so that you can see the 44 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: details on where we're performing and you can reach out 45 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: to me. Twenty four to seven three sixty five. Send 46 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: me an evil, send me hate mail if you want to. 47 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: It's right there on the website. But I haven't given 48 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: the website yet. Dragon, it's time, Jimmy Sangenburger dot com. 49 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: Remember there's no AI or you in Sangenburger. 50 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 4: It's all ease, all the time. 51 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: Once you know that, Sangenburger is easy. 52 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 4: Thank you, sir. You always do it right. You know it, 53 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 4: You've got it internalized. It's fantastic. Of course it is easy, exactly. 54 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: I was hoping you'd bring it another easy into there. Yes, 55 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: and Jimmy Sayenberger dot com. Now track and I want 56 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 2: to ask you about something. This is kind of wild. 57 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: This from the Wall Street Journal. Disney is making a 58 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: one billion dollar investment in Open AI. 59 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 4: That's the company behind chat GPT. 60 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 2: The text based AI program, and Sora the video program, 61 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: and there are others. 62 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 4: But you can create AI generated videos on Sora. 63 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 3: Well. 64 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: Disney will allow the AI platform to use its characters 65 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 2: and properties to generate short, user prompted social videos. Disney's 66 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: three year licensing deal will let users generate videos using 67 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: Sora Open ais short form AI video platform. Like I said, 68 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 2: of more than two hundred Disney, Marvel, Star Wars and 69 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 2: Pixar characters. A curated selection of these short videos will 70 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: be available to stream on Disney Plus. So you can 71 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: use the program and you can create this content and 72 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: then it ends up where they might put it on 73 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: to Disney Plus. My question, do you have any ownership 74 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: of it? What do you get to do with it? 75 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 4: Number one? And number two? 76 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: How do you get around the fact that, so there 77 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 2: are some restrictions the agreement. Of course, it doesn't allow 78 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: any sort of content related to drugs and alcohol or sex, 79 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 2: but interactions with other companies' properties is also expressly forbidden. 80 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: So you can't, for example, say I want to do 81 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: a situation at the Star Wars canteena where Jerry Seinfeld 82 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: is telling jokes. This being the Seinfeld from Seinfeld, you 83 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 2: can't do that. 84 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: So you can merge Disney properties, so you can have 85 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: Iron Man at the cantina. 86 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 2: You could, gotcha, okay, but those properties that are not 87 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: Disney can't do that. 88 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 4: So what do you make of this? 89 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: It makes me worry because the person cre so you're you, 90 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: the the individual that you're sending the prompts over to 91 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: this Disney AI you're creating it in quotes, you don't 92 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: own it because Disney's buying, buying all the rights and everything, 93 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: so you you have nothing behind that at all. So 94 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: you're you're now working for free for Disney. Congratulations. 95 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 3: See. 96 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 2: One of the interesting things that is very common now 97 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: is fan films are driving some of the best. 98 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 4: Content for Star Wars, for. 99 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: Example, and sometimes it's AI generated really like some of 100 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: the main I watched something with Darth Maul and it 101 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: looked very realistic and it was. It was really well 102 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 2: done content because it's not just telling the machine, hey, 103 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: you do this. There's a lot more that you have 104 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: to do as a creator to get what you want 105 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 2: in AI. There's actually a lot of work that has 106 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: to go into making one of those videos. 107 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 4: I have no idea how to do it, but if 108 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 4: you want it done right and in detail, there's a 109 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 4: lot to do. So some of the great content. 110 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 2: This seems to be a way for Disney to tap 111 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 2: into that with recognizing all the fans that they have 112 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 2: out there making this content, which generally speaking, they're not 113 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 2: making any money off of that because it's just fan 114 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: films that are not supposed to make revenue for themselves, 115 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 2: and then they get to drive people to Disney Plus 116 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: to see fan made Star Wars or Marvel content too. 117 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 4: So it's all a big play, isn't it. 118 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: I just worry because some of them may be really 119 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: great ideas, and then Disney's going to turn around and 120 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: run with it and make a whole new empire off 121 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: of it, and you get nothing. 122 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 4: Here's one other little thing. 123 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: The companies announced the deal a day after Disney sent 124 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: a cease and desist letter to Google accusing the tech 125 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: giant of infringing Disney's copyrights on a massive scale, demonstrating 126 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 2: the carrot and stick approach it is taking to artificial intelligence. 127 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 4: This again from The Wall Street Journal. 128 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: Alphabet's Google is the biggest tech company to encour Disney's 129 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 2: wrath for allegedly using copyright material to train its AI 130 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: systems and allowing its tools to output material it violates copyrights. 131 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: The Disney letter includes dozens of images and screenshots of 132 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: videos created with Google's Gemini, Nano, Banana and Vio apps 133 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: featuring Disney owned characters like Darth Vader, Homer Simpson, and 134 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: Spider Man. So they're basically saying, open AI, you have 135 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: the license to use this stuff. But any other company 136 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: where somebody's creating these images, we're gonna sue your ass. 137 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 4: I just I don't know. This is a wild, wild world. 138 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: What do you think about the direction that they're taking 139 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: with AI five six six nine zero koa common spirit 140 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: health text line. It's a brave new world. The carrot 141 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 2: and stick approach is pretty crazy. You can't create this 142 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: stuff with other platforms. It's all AI. 143 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 4: I don't know. Jimmy sangen Berger in for Michael Brown, 144 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 4: O KOA, how can we leave talk back for waiting 145 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 4: for the shockbacks? Okay, if you don't need to be great, Yeah, 146 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 4: that works. 147 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: Exactly to be sagod Burger for Michael Brown. By the way, 148 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 2: that tune Santa Claus Is Back in Town by Johnny 149 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 2: Lang came out in the nineties, and of course Elvis 150 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: Presley did the original and it was very different. That 151 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: song is probably my favorite Christmas song. The Johnny Lang 152 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: version that you just heard. It is perfect. It has 153 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: the sort of laid back vibe of Merry Christmas. 154 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 4: Baby. Best version of that always has. 155 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: To be Charles Brown may rest in peace, but there 156 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: are so many other fantastic Joe Bodamasa has an excellent version. 157 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 4: I think Eric Clapton does bb King, but. 158 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: That to me is just the classic and that's fantastic, 159 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: but it's got so much more to it. 160 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 4: Check it out. 161 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: Santa Claus is back in. Tell you know what I 162 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 2: need to do. Jimmy Sangenburger dot com All ease, all 163 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: the time. I should put back there. I have a 164 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 2: playlist that I had on a YouTube playlist that was 165 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: for the best Christmas bumper music, and I just might 166 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: link that up on my website, Jimmy Sangenburger dot com. 167 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 4: Go there this weekend. I'm gonna try and do that. 168 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 3: Now. 169 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 2: The big news of the day, of course, is that 170 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: Tina Peters. President Trump has announced a pardon for the 171 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 2: convicted former clerk of Mesa County. And it's really interesting 172 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: because well, he doesn't have the authority to do this. 173 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: So last week I interviewed Dan Rubinstein, the Mesa County 174 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: district attorney, who himself is a Republican. Now, if you're 175 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: not recalling who Tina Peters is, she's the one who 176 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one engaged in an election security breach 177 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: that she's now serving just shy of ninety years behind bars. 178 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 4: At least that's the sentence. 179 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: She'll be eligible for parole beginning of twenty twenty eight, 180 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: potentially serving only three and a half years in jail 181 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: and prison. But when I talked with Dan Rubinstein about 182 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: the push for some things from the federal government to 183 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: get Tina Peters transferred into federal custody and so forth, 184 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: he had signed a letter. Co signed a letter with 185 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: Attorney General Phil Wiser and explain the following here in 186 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: our Q and A. 187 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 5: I just think it would create a constitutional crisis. You know, 188 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 5: it's a big Republican tenant that states have rights, that 189 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 5: states retain most of the power that the federal government 190 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 5: has webmen authority. And for the federal government to swoop 191 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 5: in and say we don't like what a state prosecution 192 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 5: was of local people, and we're just going to take 193 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 5: your offenders, take your prisoners, and put them in our 194 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 5: own custody, that's just that's not a good plan. 195 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: Well, and the other thing, real quickly as well, is 196 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: that these were not federal crimes. This is specifically state issues. 197 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: Now some are claiming there's a federal nexus. Even Tina Peters, Oh, 198 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 2: I was just following federal law. But as we pointed 199 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: out before, that's not the case here. 200 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 5: Lots of things violate both state and federal law. Clearly, 201 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 5: the victims here were local. The crime was a local 202 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 5: crime of a local official against the local tax payers. 203 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:15,959 Speaker 3: This was a state issue. 204 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: This was a state issue, and in fact President Trump 205 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: even acknowledged that back in September when he talked about 206 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: this case. 207 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: It's a state charge, so it's hard to do anything with. 208 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that's exactly the case. This is an astonishing moment. 209 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: Now there's nothing he can do. It's just performative. He 210 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: didn't even identify charges that she was convicted of, so 211 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 2: he was not pardoning her for any actual crimes than 212 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: she committed. So it doesn't matter even if he did 213 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 2: have some jurisdiction, which he doesn't. Just very disappointing to 214 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 2: see this move from President Trump. More to come, I'm 215 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: sure on this. I'm Jimmy Sangenberger in for Michael Brown. 216 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: On the other side, my dear friend Rabbi Jonathan Houseman 217 00:11:59,280 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: will join us. 218 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 4: He is always a blast. 219 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 2: As Hana Cup begins on Sunday, keep it here, it's koa. 220 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: What do you call a guy that's always hanging around 221 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 3: with a bunch of musicians. 222 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 4: Answer the drummer. I gotta tell Mike ROSSI that one. 223 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: Jimmy Segenberger in for Michael Brown and Dragon asked earlier, 224 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: and I must oblige. Plus, our final guest to close 225 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: out the day is a huge blues fan in aficionado, 226 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: just as I am. So we might as well bring 227 00:12:37,600 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: a little bit of harmonica. Welcome, Welcome now the good 228 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 2: friend of mine who always stirs the pot in. 229 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 4: Good ways when we bring him on. 230 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: Rabbi Jonathan Houseman of a Havas Torah congregation in Stoton, Massachusetts, 231 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 2: joins me now. 232 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 4: Just ahead of Hanukkah. 233 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: Happy Hanikah, my friend, and welcome back to Kawa. 234 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: Thanks Jimmy, you know that not that heart playing there? 235 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 3: So should we call you little Walter? Should we call 236 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 3: you little Jimmy? Should we call you Bobby Rush? What 237 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 3: should we call you today? 238 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 4: Jimmy Jr. There you go. 239 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: That's that's the stage name channeling. You know the name 240 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: of Junior Wells a little bit in there, and I 241 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 2: am a junior you know, so. 242 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 3: Junior Well what a great what a great musician, what 243 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: a great musician. You know this summer I saw Bobby. 244 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 3: I saw Bobby Rush playing with Kenny Wayne Day summer. Yeah, great, 245 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 3: great show. I'll tell you you wouldn't know that Bobby 246 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: Rush is in his nineties the way he was cavorting around. 247 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 2: The stage, ninety two years old and even better, Rabbi Ausman, 248 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: he was here at fifty to eighty feet a mile 249 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: high and he was still blowing that harp like nobody's business. 250 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: He's unbelievable, just unbelievable. Not that he's a hard player, 251 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 3: but Buddy guy is having a month residence at his 252 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: club in. 253 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 4: Chicago next Legends. Yes, yeah, yeah. 254 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: And my and my youngest brother and I are talking 255 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: about maybe going out for a couple of days. Oh see, 256 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: if we could, if we could snag tickets, go out 257 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 3: for a couple of days and just go to his 258 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: club and listen to him. 259 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 4: I'd love to do that. 260 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: I thought about it, but I just don't think it's 261 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: going to be feasible for me. 262 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 4: But we'll converse about that. 263 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 2: I have to ask you though, coming back, that bump 264 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: in was from the Queen of the Blues herself, Cocoa Taylor. 265 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 4: That voice man. 266 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: Just powerful, and one of the things I love is 267 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: you're all about the Christmas blues bumpers that I bring 268 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: on the program in all the years that I've. 269 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 4: Had you annually on the radio to talk at this 270 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 4: time of year. 271 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, Coco Taylor absolutely distinctive. And you know she for 272 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 3: a female voice in blues you had, she was it. 273 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: She was the queen, you know. And much the same 274 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: way with regard to soul music, Aretha. 275 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 6: Franklin with the queen, you know what I. 276 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 3: Mean, Yeah, Aretha Franklin. And you know, not that the 277 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: world others aren't other good singers with great voices, but 278 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: she was. She was the diva when it came to soul. 279 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: Sign for a woman, Coco Taylor, she was the diva 280 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: of her generation. 281 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 6: And that that is the rough, powerful blues vocals out. 282 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: Of that woman. 283 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: Boy, well said, and spot on, I do. Since we're 284 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 2: on the subject of music, let's talk about something that 285 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: I've always found really interesting, rabby Jonathanouncement. How many Christmas 286 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: songs and name a few, talk a little bit were 287 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: written by Jews? Oh God, pulling up a little to 288 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 2: remind you. 289 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 3: No, I mean, the question really is you know where 290 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 3: to start? 291 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 4: Yeah? 292 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: And why why that is the case, because I've always 293 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: found it, uh, pretty cool that you would have Jewish 294 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: musicians and songwriters put together some of the most notable 295 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: Christmas tunes. 296 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the reality is, I don't think that 297 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 3: there's an I've never done this, but I'm just quickly 298 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 3: going through a catalog in my head. I don't know 299 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 3: as if there's an exact number of Christmas songs actually 300 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 3: written by composed by Jews, but you know there are. 301 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 3: I mean, just start thinking, just start thinking of some 302 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 3: of the holiday classics. White Christmas, rout Off, the Red 303 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 3: Nosed Reindeer, Winter Wonderland, the Christmas Song. I mean you're 304 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: talking Irving Berlin, you're talking Johnny Marks, You're talking about 305 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 3: Sammy Kahn, You're talking about the great vocalist Mel Tormay, 306 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 3: who happened to have been Jewish. 307 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty and actually, well, which one there was one? 308 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: Uh Holly Jolly Christmas one of my absolute favorites. 309 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 4: Also, that's a Johnny Marx tune. 310 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 3: How about silver Bells? 311 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 4: The list goes on Levingston. 312 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 6: And Evans written by Jews. 313 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 3: I mean they were Jewish. I think you know you 314 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 3: had a tremendous number of Jewish songwriters, particularly in the 315 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 3: tin pan Alley era of music. 316 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 6: And and you know that ended. 317 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 3: Up transferring into the Grill Building in New York where 318 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: you had they just had stables of songwriters, which happened 319 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 3: to include people like like Harold King, Jerry Goffin, Neil Diamond, 320 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 3: and that list just goes on and on and on. Okay, listen, 321 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 3: they wrote, they wrote holiday music, they wrote standard classics. 322 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 3: You'd be surprised, you know, the song by. 323 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 6: Little Eva local Oce grandfather, Yeah, up bringing whatnot? 324 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 5: That was. 325 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 3: Little Eva was Carol King and Jerry Goffin's babyshitter, and 326 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 3: Carol King literally and she could sing. And Carol King 327 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: literally wrote that that little. 328 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 6: Tune, and I don't know. 329 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 3: Ten minutes or so, Little Eva had a huge hit 330 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 3: with it. Yeah. 331 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 2: Well, and let me add that just to clarify, Yes, 332 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: the songs that we were mentioning were not just performed by, 333 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 2: but were in fact written by. So for example, Irving 334 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: Berlin did write White Christmas. Johnny Marks wrote Rutolph the 335 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,959 Speaker 2: Red Nosed Reindeer rocking around the Christmas Tree, Holly Jolly Christmas, 336 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 2: Silver and Gold and the list goes on for those 337 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 2: songs not just performed by but written by Jews. And 338 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 2: I think one thing as well that just came to 339 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 2: my mind. And I have to mention when you say 340 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: tin panaley, I can't help but want to listen to 341 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: Steve Orrayvaughn play that dude, tin panale because you want 342 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 2: to talk about fantastic slow blues that just makes you 343 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: feel something powerful, that tune. 344 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 3: Man. And now we're gonna pivot a bit because I 345 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,239 Speaker 3: have to tell you I got into an argument with 346 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 3: somebody at the gym three days ago. 347 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 6: Guitarist blues Rabi. 348 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: You listen to a lot of blues guitars, had. 349 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 6: To listen to a lot of rock and roll. 350 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 3: I listened to a lot of guitar. Yeah, so, well, 351 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: who do you consider the number one guitarist of all time? 352 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 3: And I didn't hesitate Jimmy Hendrix. Okay, okay, who do 353 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 3: you consit number two? I said, Well, now you're beginning 354 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 3: to argue, I said, but I think, I said, who 355 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 3: do you want? You want? Albert Collins, you want Albert Lee? 356 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 3: You want? I said, my personal number two would be 357 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: Stevie Rayaan And this guy starts to argue with me. 358 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 6: And it's not Steve a Rave one maybe's. 359 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 3: And down near thirty. Okay, you know, I didn't want to. 360 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: I don't know I would actually debate if he belongs 361 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: in the first place. But I understand where you're coming 362 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: from with with Jimmy Hendrix, and I probably if you 363 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 2: forced me, say okay, Jimmy, but I think that there's 364 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: a debatable proposition that Stevie might belong in number one. 365 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, listen without question, which is why I put in 366 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 3: number two. 367 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, you go. 368 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 3: So I know these were two cars that really shaped 369 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 3: a direction of music. And Jimmy Hendrix, what he rock 370 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: and what he did for rock and roll, rock, blues 371 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: and blues was this absolutely phenomenal. You know, he he 372 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 3: came on at Woodstock. This is logged before you were 373 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 3: walk treading this earth. He came on on Woodstock very early. 374 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 6: The Monday morning, that last day. 375 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: Of Woodstock, very early Monday morning. And you know, at Woodstock, 376 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 3: yet half a million people there are only forty thousand 377 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 3: people heard Jimmy Hendrix play when he when he finally 378 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 3: got on stage at Woodstock. Leave And if you go 379 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 3: to YouTube, you can actually watch posted to YouTube. Jimmy 380 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 3: Hendrix is set from woodstock and you have to sit 381 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 3: there with your mouth. 382 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, oh, absolutely with that question. But Rabbi 383 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 2: Jonathan Elceman, we've got to shift years. Yeah, Honikkah coming 384 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: up starting on a Sunday. Correct, And every year we 385 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 2: have a conversation because people who are not Jewish, for example, 386 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 2: Christians often think, oh, Honikah is the Jewish Christmas, but 387 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: it isn't. In more ways than one. Talk to us 388 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 2: about what Honica is about. Remind us and then a 389 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 2: little bit about that comparison, you know what it is 390 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 2: really in the Jewish holiday pantheon, and also in terms 391 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: of Christmas. 392 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: Okay, well, first of all, there's this comparison to Christmas 393 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 3: just because of the calindrical proximity, right of the two holidays. 394 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: Other than that, they really don't have much to do 395 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: with one another. 396 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 6: Listen, Jewish parents give gifts right now on Conica. 397 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 3: I have to be honest with you, when when my 398 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 3: kid was young, my wife always wanted to give her 399 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 3: gifts on Sonica. I always tried to resist it. By 400 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 3: the way, Jimmy, you'll know this, You'll if you don't 401 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 3: know this, you'll learn very well, okay. And an argument 402 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: between you and you're beloved well right now fiance, but 403 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 3: soon beloved wife, you will lose. Okay, that's just the 404 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 3: nature already. 405 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 4: Have done that many times. 406 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Honkah. Except but 407 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 3: that's the only really connection between the two. They both 408 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 3: fall well. Honkah for the most part falls in December. 409 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: Sometimes it traverses into January towards the end. Sometimes it 410 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 3: begins in November, but it's a December holiday. 411 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 6: So that's really the only connection. 412 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 3: Between the two. Conkah is known in English at the 413 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 3: Festival of Lights because we light the Manoa, the Honica Manoa, 414 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 3: the candelog right in a particular fashion, with specific blessings. 415 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 3: We have specific. 416 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 6: Prayers, and the foods we eat really appertained to. 417 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 3: The holiday itself. Why because the holiday deals with the 418 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 3: consecration of oil. So we Jews have to have our 419 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 3: alta celts already, because we eat a lot of fried 420 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 3: foods at this time of year. That's what we do. 421 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 4: That's what we do. 422 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 3: No pun, no joke intended. Yeah, the word itself means dedication, 423 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 3: and it's named it's named in this way because it 424 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 3: celebrates the rededication of the Second Temple in Jerusalem after 425 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:52,239 Speaker 3: it was recaptured and reconsecrated following its defilement by the 426 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 3: Selucid Greeks. 427 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 4: Okay and Raby, how long ago was that. 428 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: Let's put a timestamp on it a little bit. 429 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 3: Well, the Maccabees, Well, listen, you're talking about the middle 430 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 3: of the second century. We just would call it before 431 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 3: the common Area. You guys would call it BC. 432 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 2: So okay, let's just let me just clarify or make 433 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 2: one really important point in the context of the debates 434 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 2: over what happened in Gaza and the idea that Israel 435 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: is a settler colonial state. We're talking thousands of years 436 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 2: ago that the Jewish people were there in Jerusalem. 437 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 6: I mean, come on now, all right, listen, listen. 438 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 3: The Desert Arabs and the Muslim conquerors didn't reach the 439 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 3: land of Israel until the seventh century CE. You guys 440 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 3: will call it a d that's when they came in. Okay. 441 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 3: And there has been a continuous Jewish presence in the 442 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 3: land of Israel since at least since at least the 443 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: eleven hundreds BCE BC. Okay, that's how far back and 444 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: arguably if you take the Bible as history, which many 445 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 3: many people do, and it's very interesting as archaeology has proceeded, 446 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 3: it's amazing how much of the Jewish Bible has proven 447 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 3: to be historically accurate. Okay, one can argue. 448 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 6: That there's been a Jewish presence in the. 449 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 3: Land of Israel for four thousand years. You either accept 450 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 3: it or you don't yet, you know, it's as simple 451 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 3: as that. 452 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 6: But yeah, what ends up happening is, you know, in 453 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 6: the second. 454 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 3: Century, the Seleucid Greeks tried to force the indigenous people 455 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 3: to the Land of Israel, meaning the Jewish people, the 456 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 3: people to accept Greek culture, Greek beliefs instead of Jewish observance, 457 00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 3: midst observance, and belief in God, and a family that 458 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 3: was a priestly family. The Maccabees, outnumbered, poorly armed, gathered 459 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 3: followers around them, and followed a what's transpired was today 460 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 3: we'd probably called it a guerrilla war, and they defeated 461 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 3: what was considered to be the mightiest army on earth 462 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 3: at the time and drove the Greeks, the solutionive Greeks, 463 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 3: from the land of Israel. They reclaimed the Holy Temple 464 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: in Jerusalem and rededicated it to the service of God 465 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 3: with the appropriate sacrifices that were to take place there. 466 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 6: That's what the holiday's about. 467 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 2: Now, I only have a few minutes as we get 468 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 2: low on time, Rabbi Jonathan Houseman our guests. So for Christians, 469 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 2: Christmas is the second most important holiday after Easter. How 470 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 2: important if you can use that word in this case, 471 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 2: or how significant? Where does it sort of ranked? I mean, 472 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm using the right terminology here, 473 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 2: but in terms of significance among Jews with regards to 474 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: the various holidays in the Jewish faith. 475 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 3: Well, okay, it's going to depend on who you ask, 476 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 3: who you ask, But the reality is Hanakah is not 477 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 3: a major Jewish holiday. It is a minor holiday. It 478 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 3: lacks a lot of the prohibitions on activities that you 479 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 3: see and all major Jewish holidays, the most important of 480 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: which happens to be Shabbat, the Jewish Sabbath. You don't 481 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 3: have any of the parameters that deal with observance like 482 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,719 Speaker 3: you do with Yom Kipoor or Passover. 483 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 6: I would say, if it's anything, if it's a major 484 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 6: in any aspect. 485 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: It's probably major as a cultural holiday, you know, especially 486 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 3: here in the United States. Bear Why because it's a 487 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 3: festive nature to the holiday. We have, you know, easy 488 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 3: rituals that surround it. What ends up happening is we 489 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 3: get together with family and friends at our houses. You know. 490 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 3: Now you have this exchange of gifts and listen the 491 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 3: gifts come in. Because what ends up happening. 492 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 6: You had Jewish parents back in my. 493 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 3: Day, when I was in my youth, who didn't want 494 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 3: their kids, Jewish kids to feel left out at that 495 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 3: at this particular time of year. 496 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 6: But it is, it is. It is not a holiday ordained. 497 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 3: By the Torah. Okay, it is a holiday that is 498 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 3: rabbinically ordained. It is post Torah, post biblical, so there's 499 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,479 Speaker 3: a different pecking order to it, plain and simple. 500 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 4: So there you go. 501 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's really what it's all about. 502 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 3: That's really what it's all about. Well, but I have 503 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 3: to tell you the one ritual, and I have to 504 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 3: hit this before we go. The one ritual happens. 505 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 6: To be lighting the Hanika minorra. 506 00:29:54,440 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 3: Why because as the Maccabees were cleansing the Temple of defilement. 507 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 3: All that ritual defilement. 508 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 6: They found a single cruise of. 509 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 3: Oil that was that could be used to light the Minoa, 510 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 3: that wasn't contaminated by anything that the Greeks had brought 511 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 3: in ritually miraculously what according to the story. According to 512 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: the legend, the Maccabees lit the Manoa with this one 513 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 3: day supply and what ended up happing. The supply miraculously 514 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 3: lasted for eight days until no oil could be prepared under. 515 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 6: The conditions of ritual purity. 516 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 3: That's the holiday in a nutshell. 517 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 2: Rabbi Jonathan Hauseman of a Havath Turah congregation in Stoton, Massachusetts, 518 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: My friend, Happy Hanakhah, and thanks so much for joining 519 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 2: us as always anytime. 520 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 3: Jimmy, you know I'm always here for you. 521 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: You better believe it once again, Rabbi Jonathan Houseman joining us. 522 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 2: Mandy Connell in the house. Did you are How are you? 523 00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 2: My friend? 524 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 7: Say Jimmie second Burger Christmas. I wish I'd known that 525 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 7: years ago, because I would have stopped selling your name 526 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 7: wrong a lot sooner. 527 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 5: Right. 528 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 4: It's easy. Once you know that, it really is, it's 529 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 4: it all worth worthwhile. Merry Christmas by the way, Merry Christmas. 530 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 4: Back at you, Domy. So what have you got coming up? Well, 531 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 4: we've got to talk. 532 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 7: About the fact that, once again, as you reiterated multiple 533 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 7: times during your program, President Trump cannot pardon Tina Peters. 534 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 4: We got that. 535 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 7: We're going to talk with somebody from the Main Society 536 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 7: about the Home for the Howlidays promotion. If you're looking 537 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 7: for a new pet and it's an ask me anything. 538 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 7: I've done a lot of heavy lifting for the listeners 539 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 7: this week. I feel like they can help a sister 540 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 7: out and just you know, do my work for me. 541 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 4: There you go make it easy for Mandy on a. 542 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: Friday tgif thank you, Mandy, I'll hopefully see some of 543 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 2: you at in the Zoning Golden seven to eleven PM 544 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: the Jimmy Junior Blues Band performing tonight. Have a great 545 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 2: weekend and may God bless America.