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Speaker 2: Good callback from a good memory from Texter Todd. Carl

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Speaker 2: called Moss a great player, and mister fun cold called Carl,

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Speaker 2: pretending to be then president of football Operations mister Ted

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Speaker 2: called him. I forgot about that. That's really good recall,

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Speaker 2: that is for sure. Bretchawn Brian Kavn text line is

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Speaker 2: open at six four six eight six. Can we get TJ.

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Speaker 2: Rubley to start for the Packers again? When was that?

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Speaker 2: Do you remember? TJ?

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Speaker 2: I don't be too young. Yeah, listen to the station though.

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Speaker 2: TJ. Rubley was a good one as as well. So

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Speaker 2: we got the while tonight on the fan. Correct, that

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Speaker 2: they're in Phoenix. I don't know the start time on

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Speaker 2: By the way, the Phoenix Sun's actually off to a

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Speaker 2: And you say, well, Dan, what do you mean must

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Speaker 2: If you take care of Wisconsin next week and you're

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Speaker 2: So that's one reason it's a must win. But I'll

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Speaker 2: give you another one. It's now official that Indiana University,

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Speaker 2: losingest college football program in American football history. They've had

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Speaker 2: the Gophers in twenty twenty five don't want that on

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Speaker 2: Interesting pick by Ben at stardibute dot com for this game.

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Speaker 2: He has to pick a game every week, the Vikings

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Speaker 2: Is losing this based on percentage or number of losses.

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Speaker 2: Northwestern has gone to the Rose Bull and won the

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Speaker 2: have never gotten close. That's there's some more viciousness there

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Speaker 2: much colder again again. Here is PJ coaching for Coyle's

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Speaker 2: put PJ on the list, because he's usually on the list.

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Speaker 2: They tell me, I think after a college basketball game,

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Speaker 2: but we are asking him to hang in for a quarter,

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Speaker 2: Forgot we had a big fat break at the bottom

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Speaker 2: with Gasling. The proper pronunciation. How often in your lifetime

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Speaker 2: Gospeling, Gostling. Yeah that I figured, not Gooseling. That's Gurby.

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Speaker 2: So we're getting text like, all right, how many years

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think all of that is fair. And when

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Speaker 3: And you can talk about, you know, was there Hubrist

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Speaker 3: to be. I think all of those things are fair. Questions.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get the year that I want to

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of complicating factors that go into

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Speaker 3: I think that's probably fair a couple people.

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Speaker 2: There have been two strains from people in terms of

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Speaker 2: be successful, and this team to perhaps recover a little

430
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Speaker 2: bit and try to get back in something resembling the

431
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Speaker 2: play a playoff chase. The first is, well, you saw

432
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Speaker 2: how you finished the game, and it was there's less

433
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Speaker 2: to think about. Then, he's just looking for open people.

434
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Speaker 2: We're in and out of the huddle, if we huddle

435
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Speaker 2: at all. And the second strain is roll him out.

436
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Speaker 2: You guys aren't rolling him out enough. He's athletic, Just

437
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Speaker 2: get him out of the pocket. Do more boots that

438
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Speaker 2: sort of thing. Do either of those arguments, you know,

439
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Speaker 2: carry weight with you? Is that in both cases oversimplifying?

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Speaker 2: What do you think.

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Speaker 3: I think? Two minutes? Thing is I always do this

442
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 3: where it's well, they look so great in the two

443
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: minute drow, I don't they just do that the whole time.

444
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: I think that's harder to pull off in reality than

445
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Speaker 3: it is in theory, because you're talking about a limited menu,

446
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: probably both for the offense and for the defense. And

447
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 3: I suppose if you did it the whole time, you're

448
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Speaker 3: forcing the defense to play in a limited menu and

449
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Speaker 3: not being able to sub as much as you want.

450
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Speaker 3: But then you also have to be able to work

451
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Speaker 3: off of that menu for the quarterback and for the offense.

452
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Speaker 3: So I think that can work in one setting for

453
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Speaker 3: a short amount of time. I'm more skeptical about whether

454
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Speaker 3: it can work for a full game when you have

455
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Speaker 3: to run sixty some plays off of it. And the

456
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Speaker 3: other thing with that is at the end of games,

457
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Speaker 3: you're often in situations where defenses are playing back a

458
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Speaker 3: little bit because they don't want anything over their heads. Yeah,

459
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Speaker 3: they don't want to give up any big plays, So

460
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Speaker 3: you're not getting as tight a coverage, you're maybe not

461
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Speaker 3: getting quite the same degree of pass rush as you

462
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Speaker 3: might get another setting. So the transferability of that, I

463
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Speaker 3: think is always a little bit hard to estimate. As

464
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Speaker 3: far as the rollouts and bootlegs. I do think they're

465
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 3: there's more to do there. I think his athleticism is

466
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: something that you see him used to an advantage. If

467
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Speaker 3: you can roll him away from some of the pressure,

468
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 3: maybe you're tiring people out, you simplify the read so

469
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: it's a little more of a half field situation for him.

470
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Speaker 3: I do think that's been part of the plan. I

471
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Speaker 3: think that's something they've wanted to probably do more than

472
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Speaker 3: they have. And this discussion of can he go to

473
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Speaker 3: his left, I think is maybe what limits some of that.

474
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Speaker 3: Because you're going to just roll him to his right

475
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Speaker 3: all the time. People are going to start to sit

476
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Speaker 3: on that too, so there is some of the complicating

477
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 3: factor there if he is struggling to go to his left,

478
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: and we've certainly seen some of that where when he

479
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Speaker 3: goes to his left, he's not as natural as when

480
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Speaker 3: he moves to his right. So they have to figure

481
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Speaker 3: all of that out as well. But I do think

482
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Speaker 3: moving the pocket, moving him away from the pass rush

483
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Speaker 3: can be a useful thing and can simplify some things

484
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Speaker 3: and put his mobility to work. So I think that's

485
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Speaker 3: more of a likely option than going two minute. As

486
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Speaker 3: much as some people would maybe talk about them wanting

487
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Speaker 3: to do.

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Speaker 2: Ben Gessling joining us on the fan as he does

489
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Speaker 2: every Friday Russel Radio from the X coming up at

490
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Speaker 2: the top of the hour. Grenard, what do we think

491
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Speaker 2: he's listed? I think officially as questionable. What are we

492
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Speaker 2: hearing on his availability for Sunday in Lambeau.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he has a pretty good chance to play.

494
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Speaker 3: I think he was optimistic about the possibility this week.

495
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: We'll see how he comes through the weekend. They'll go

496
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Speaker 3: through probably a little more of a walkthrough tomorrow before

497
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Speaker 3: they hit the road for green Bay. But yeah, I

498
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Speaker 3: think he'll have a good chance to get back, and

499
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Speaker 3: if he does, that's a big factor because you know

500
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Speaker 3: we saw last week. I think Dallas Turner did some

501
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: good things, but they are different when they have him,

502
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 3: and they put a lot of pressure on Jordan Love

503
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: and a couple of those games last year. They got

504
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: after him at Lambo and they blitzed him a lot

505
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: at the game at us Bank Stadiums. So you add

506
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Speaker 3: Grenard to that pass rush, I do think that's a

507
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: big deal. I think they'll have a pretty good chance

508
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Speaker 3: to have him out there.

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Speaker 2: Something you picked via Startibute dot Com, it's already up.

510
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Speaker 2: You picked the Packers to win in a low scoring game.

511
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Speaker 2: What was your what's your thinking?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, as I thought through this, I thought

513
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Speaker 3: there's a chance that the Vikings take this one because

514
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Speaker 3: of how banged up the Packers are. I mean with

515
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Speaker 3: Josh Jacobs being questionable because of that knee. The Packers

516
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 3: have another game on Thanksgiving Day against the Lions, so

517
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 3: they may be thinking a little bit about that is

518
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: they make decisions on injured players. You've got a number

519
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 3: of receivers that are banged up. Elton Jenkins, their centers

520
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 3: out for the year after getting hurting his knee a

521
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago. So I think the Vikings are

522
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 3: the healthier team, and they are more desperate than the Packers.

523
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: But in the end, I thought that defense for the

524
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: Packers is going to be a lot for the Vikings.

525
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: They have to deal with Micah Parsons having to know

526
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Speaker 3: where he is all the time. For Shawn Garry. They'll

527
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Speaker 3: have some other pieces. You know, Edrin Cooper the linebacker

528
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: has been awfully good, and I think their corners Carrington

529
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: Valentine has played better than a lot of people would

530
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Speaker 3: have expected too. So I think it's low scoring. But

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Speaker 3: the Packers have been a team that doesn't turn the

532
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Speaker 3: ball over very much. In fact, the games they've lost

533
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Speaker 3: have been some of the rare opportunities or rare occasions

534
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Speaker 3: that should say, where they've had turnovers. So if the

535
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Speaker 3: Vikings aren't able to create those, which they haven't done

536
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Speaker 3: a great job of lately, and if they turn it

537
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Speaker 3: over a couple of times, which they've done a lot,

538
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Speaker 3: I think that shape shapes the game. I think the

539
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Speaker 3: Packers win it most scoring. I think it's kind of

540
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 3: an ugly defensive struggle. But the Packers at home, especially

541
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Speaker 3: if they get enough out of Josh Jacobs to kind

542
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Speaker 3: of send the game that way, I've got them winning in.

543
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Speaker 2: A close One text came in listening to our conversation

544
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Speaker 2: about JJ. He writes this, honestly, talk about how they're

545
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Speaker 2: going to give McCarthy all of this year next year

546
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: is nonsense. If he doesn't show improvement the rest of

547
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Speaker 2: the year, they're not going to let him waste another

548
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Speaker 2: year for the rest of the team. To quote your

549
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Speaker 2: guest Bill garn from yesterday, this is not a developmental

550
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Speaker 2: leg He was referring to the NHL but same is

551
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Speaker 2: true here. I would assume that you agree that there

552
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Speaker 2: is a certain level at which they might have to

553
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Speaker 2: reconsider everything if they don't see enough sign All right,

554
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: he's not the finished product. But we've seen some things

555
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: over the course of the last couple of months of

556
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: the season to say we think we can get there.

557
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: We see some signs. There's always, I guess, the possibility

558
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Speaker 2: that if he's continuing to play at the level he's

559
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Speaker 2: played to this point, that they might have to have

560
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Speaker 2: a come to Jesus meeting in the offseason.

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Speaker 3: Do you agree, Yeah, I mean there's always that possibility

562
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: that they see something that they think this is not fixable.

563
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 3: We've got to pull up stakes. I mean, you've seen

564
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Speaker 3: teams do that.

565
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

566
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Speaker 3: I think of like Josh Rosa with the Cardinals in

567
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: the past. Yeah, you may see that happen. I just

568
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: think if we're gonna do the developmental quarterback thing, the

569
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Speaker 3: idea that five or six games or nine or ten

570
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Speaker 3: games by the end of the season, you know whatever,

571
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: we're gonna be probably twelve games and be going the

572
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: rest of the way, it is hard to feel like

573
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: there's a finished product there. We just see so much

574
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: evidence of this position, especially at the NFL level, taking

575
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 3: a long time to learn, master and perfect. And the

576
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: evidence of that is some of these quarterbacks that bust

577
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: with their first teams and then they figure it out

578
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: a little bit later in their careers. The Sam Donalds

579
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Speaker 3: Baker mayfield those types of guys who were Daniel Jones,

580
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: who are playing awfully well when they have fallen out

581
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: of favor in their initial market. In some cases, in

582
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: Donald's case, you know five or six teams by this point.

583
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Speaker 3: So it is a really tough position to learn at

584
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: a high end level at this stage of it. So

585
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: the tricky part of it is that you end up

586
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: with this short timetable to get a guy ready to

587
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: play on that rookie contract, and it makes it really

588
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: difficult to pull off. I just think if a team

589
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: is committing to a young quarterback and developing him, it

590
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 3: just feels too soon for them to pull up the

591
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 3: states completely unless it's so bad and it looks so

592
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: unredeemable that they say there's no coming back from this.

593
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to end up, and I

594
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 3: think there's been moments of indications that he can play.

595
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: He just has to get better with the accuracy, has

596
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: to get better at reading things out. But if they

597
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: see enough of those signs the rest of this year,

598
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Speaker 3: I do think they're going to say we need to

599
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: continue to commit to this thing and see where it goes.

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Speaker 2: Let's face it. I mean, to a certain extent, the

601
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Speaker 2: Viking's curse was finishing fourteen and three last year. To

602
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: this extent, once you want to, you know, hand the

603
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: keys over to the young guy. That's where they were

604
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Speaker 2: kind of stuck. Because it's hard after fourteen and three,

605
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Speaker 2: even if it ended badly in the postseason, to say

606
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Speaker 2: we're pulling up stakes and we're rebuilding and we're starting

607
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: over and we're taking them off yere. You know, that's

608
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Speaker 2: really hard to sell as probably hard as competitors for

609
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Speaker 2: them to you know, to sell that to themselves, let

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Speaker 2: alone to the public.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's right. I mean, it's just really

612
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: interesting how this has gone because I think about that

613
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: team last year, they were predicted to win seven games.

614
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: I was among those that was not that enamored with

615
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: what they were doing, in part because of the questions

616
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: a quarterback. So they go out and play as well

617
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Speaker 3: as they do, and then that sort of reshapes the

618
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Speaker 3: it's the old Bud Grant thing. I think he used

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Speaker 3: to tell. I think he told Mike Zimmer this, or

620
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: maybe told Kevin O'Connell this as well, because he and

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Speaker 3: Kevin o'connall got pretty tight. Bud told them don't win

622
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 3: too quick because they the expectations really high, right, And

623
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Speaker 3: then that first year they win thirteen games, and so

624
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: there's been a couple of these back and forth type things.

625
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 3: Where is this for real? Is this sustainable? They kind

626
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: of felt after the first one in twenty two like

627
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Speaker 3: it was not. I think they certainly thought with the

628
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Speaker 3: moves they made this year, yes, we can go in

629
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Speaker 3: and win. But you do end up in that spot

630
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Speaker 3: where you say it's a fourteen win team or a

631
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 3: move or two away, and we could pull it off

632
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Speaker 3: with a young quarterback if we build everything up around

633
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Speaker 3: him enough to have everything else working as well as

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Speaker 3: it possibly could. So, yeah, I agree. It is a

635
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: tricky situation to be in when you go out and

636
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: have the unexpected success like they did, and then you're

637
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 3: there kind of talking yourself into yes, this can happen

638
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 3: for us. Now. It's always been a tough thing to

639
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 3: pull off, and I think you know, kind of where

640
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 3: you set expectations, the floor you set for yourself always

641
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 3: has a lot to do with how a season is perceived.

642
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: Kind of where you started and where you finished relative

643
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: to what you thought it would be makes a very

644
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 3: big difference in the final accounting of it.

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Speaker 2: At the risk of being laid for the next segment

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Speaker 2: and annoying another one of our guests, I'm gonna throw

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Speaker 2: one other question because I think it's a good one,

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Speaker 2: and it's it's got nothing to do with JJ McCarthy. Hello,

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Speaker 2: Dan Ben, This is from J d H. Why does

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Speaker 2: b Flow keep only three or four corners? Also, clearly

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Speaker 2: d Turner can play Grenard's edge spot much better than

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Speaker 2: Van Ginkle's. Will this change the longer term plan? Or

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Speaker 2: was Turner only on a VG spot due to the injury?

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Speaker 2: Is Flow generally happy with Dallas Turner? A lot to

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Speaker 2: chew on there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a few different threats to the question. I'll

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Speaker 3: try to hit them quickly so as not to I

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Speaker 3: guess there's a hot so we'll pay attention to that

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Speaker 3: if we need to. I suppose, but sorry fall in

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Speaker 3: this the chief shot there. But as far as Van

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Speaker 3: Ginko goes. He does a lot of things that are

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Speaker 3: pretty unique, and they've gotten Dallas Turner doing some of

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Speaker 3: those things. But yes, I do think he's been better

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Speaker 3: at the Grenard spot. I think playing on that side

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Speaker 3: is a better spot for him, and I think that's

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Speaker 3: probably where the long term fit is and you have

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Speaker 3: to figure out how long it takes to get him

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Speaker 3: ready to do that. But the sooner they can do that,

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Speaker 3: the more it helps them out financially in the long term.

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Speaker 3: And then the corners thing, yeah, I mean the move

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Speaker 3: to get rid of White mcglooy in this week, I

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Speaker 3: think they needed that spot for Ryan Kelly. That's where

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Speaker 3: that spot is going to go. But it is an

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Speaker 3: indication that they haven't felt good enough about his progress

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Speaker 3: and they do need to figure out depth there. I

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Speaker 3: think that is a major concern both the rest of

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Speaker 3: this year going forward Baby and Moreau is going to

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Speaker 3: have to play again. So I think that's a big

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Speaker 3: question for them in the rest of this year and

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Speaker 3: then going into the following years from that and what

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Speaker 3: was the Brian Flores pit after that?

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Speaker 2: The why uh only keeping three or four is so

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Speaker 2: generally happy with Dallas Turner? Why keep only three or

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Speaker 2: four corners.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I think they are seeing progress with Turner.

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Speaker 3: I think they've wanted to see more probably, yeah, a

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Speaker 3: lot consistency and then yeah, the corner depth. The other

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Speaker 3: piece of it, I'd say really quickly is that when

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Speaker 3: they play three safeties as much as they do, they

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Speaker 3: kind of look at their nickel package and say, we

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Speaker 3: don't always have to have corners there as well. So

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Speaker 3: that plays into it. But certainly corner depth is a

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Speaker 3: big question going forward.

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Speaker 2: Excellent work, safe travels to Green Bay. Well chat at

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Speaker 2: some point next week, although we're obviously off late in

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Speaker 2: the week. Well, so we'll figure something out.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, We will negotiate.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Dan, appreciate you. Ben Gestling. Brought to you by

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Speaker 2: called Was it Grand Casino Arena? Yes? And what is

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Speaker 2: the shortthand version of that? What are we preferring? Do

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Speaker 2: we have set? Asked Russo if he's got an opinion

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Speaker 2: on that and on the state of his favorite hockey team.

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Speaker 2: All of that is now