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Speaker 2: Good morning, Betsy, Hi, Ben, Hey.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about that. Was he within his rights?

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Speaker 3: And that's a problem.

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Speaker 1: We didn't deserve to get shot. Betsy, Betsy, It's indefensible.

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Speaker 4: But he no one deserves to get shot, but federal agents,

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Speaker 4: Here's the problem, and you and I are even doing

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Speaker 3: You a lot.

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Speaker 1: I'll say, bet, Betsy, Betsy does does does what the

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Speaker 3: Too, so wrong about that.

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Speaker 1: You are allowed to say at any point, I can't

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's out there recording stuff and had his

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Speaker 1: hand up and they pushed him on the ground. They're

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Speaker 1: like five or six agents on top of him, took

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Speaker 1: his gun and then shot him. What threat did he

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Speaker 1: pose at that particular moment? And you know, I said,

446
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Speaker 1: you have you're allowed to say, you are allowed to say. Listen,

447
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Speaker 1: I can't support this. I voted for this, but I

448
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Speaker 1: don't support this. And if you don't, I would question

449
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Speaker 1: that and go okay, hold on to second. A lot

450
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Speaker 1: of the people who are quote unquote conservatives, Republicans, magae

451
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Speaker 1: even aren't Second Amendment fans, huge fans. I see the

452
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Speaker 1: we the People T shirts and the tri Corner hats right,

453
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Speaker 1: and they were right to keep in bare arms.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if that's the case, why do you know?

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Speaker 1: The question is typically is when we have the progressive

456
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Speaker 1: left wanting to take the guns away, we got to

457
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Speaker 1: you know, we need more laws.

458
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Speaker 2: We need more laws.

459
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Speaker 1: Now we don't we got laws now that people ignore,

460
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Speaker 1: the bad guys ignore, why do you have guns? Well,

461
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Speaker 1: we have to defend against tyranny. Well, what the hell

462
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Speaker 1: is this? Doesn't that fit the definition?

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Speaker 2: I would say yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, you can agree that we have

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Speaker 1: an immigration problem and we have the right to go

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Speaker 1: after the especially those who are predatory criminals. Maybe not

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Speaker 1: so much so, and you know, Lord on the list

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Speaker 1: would be individuals who have been here or brought you know,

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Speaker 1: the uh anchor babies or those who are brought here

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Speaker 1: as children. That's all debatable, and we should abate all

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Speaker 1: that stuff. But you know, rounding up people who are

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Speaker 1: here illegally and violent criminals, yeah, we should be going

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Speaker 1: after those people. But if you think that that's in

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Speaker 1: a front that you have a right to protest, I

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Speaker 1: support those who protest that.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be out there myself. I think now.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the individuals who are rounding up need

478
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Speaker 1: to be rounded up, but we are also catching because

479
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Speaker 1: of I think some of the incompetents here catching rounding

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Speaker 1: up people who shouldn't be And I suppose that may

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Speaker 1: be a reason why people are upset in protesting. But

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Speaker 1: it's Minnesota. This is not happening in Cincinnati. It's not

483
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Speaker 1: happening in Louisville. It's not happening in Indiana. It's happening

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Different mentality there. But to somehow say that,

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Speaker 1: you know, you shouldn't show up to a protest with

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Speaker 1: a gun, That's not how it works, man. They work

487
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Speaker 1: for us. I got a problem with this, how about

488
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Speaker 1: you five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand. Let

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Speaker 1: me go to Jimmy and Cleaves on the Big One morning.

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Speaker 7: Jim Hey, soloony, I totally agree with you one hundred percent.

491
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Speaker 7: Couple things. I support local police, I support the military.

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Speaker 7: I'm a conservative. I voted for Trump. However, if I

493
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Speaker 7: got to hear one more administrative person, the person you've

494
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Speaker 7: had on talk about you don't know what these ICE

495
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Speaker 7: agents are up against. We have sympathy for him.

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Speaker 6: I do.

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Speaker 7: But and if we have to wait for let's wait

498
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Speaker 7: for everything, let's not make let's not rush to judgment.

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Speaker 7: We see what we see on these videos, right, and

500
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Speaker 7: and for one more person to say, well, you don't

501
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Speaker 7: know what they're up against, it doesn't.

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Speaker 8: Give you the right to shoot an American citizen.

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Speaker 7: For God's sake.

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Speaker 9: I am fired up about this because I think it

505
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Speaker 9: is creating so much more of a divide between well,

506
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Speaker 9: you have to be on that side or this side. Yeah,

507
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Speaker 9: how about how about where we used to be on

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Speaker 9: the side that this is a wrongful shooting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have because of these political alliances, because of

510
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Speaker 1: these walls, because we've my side's got to win and

511
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Speaker 1: your side has to lose. We have now painted ourselves

512
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Speaker 1: in the corner of being it things being indefensible, indefensible

513
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Speaker 1: for crying out loud.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 1: Uh, the same people that believe that Ashley Babbitt who

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Speaker 1: was in the Capitol illegally and went beside the fact

517
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Speaker 1: that agents were on the other side goblet of Place,

518
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Speaker 1: had guns drawn and she decided to climb through one

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Speaker 1: who got shot that some shot. He's a martyr, She's

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Speaker 1: a murdyr. I don't understand what the difference in this

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Speaker 1: case is.

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Speaker 7: Then.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that guy a martyr for the progressive left? In regardless,

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Speaker 1: I think this guy didn't have that coming. I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you go through a window and guys are saying

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Speaker 1: stop and they're pointing guns at you, it seems to

527
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Speaker 1: me they mean business. I don't understand how you could

528
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Speaker 1: wrangle that into her being a patriot and a martyr

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Speaker 1: and not be supportive of going now this is this

530
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Speaker 1: is this government, this is way over it.

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Speaker 2: These are bad tactics. I don't know what the hell

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Speaker 2: they were thinking.

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Speaker 7: It's really sad it's come to this, because it is.

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Speaker 7: If you watch the videos and you see what happened,

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Speaker 7: there is no way in hell this guy should have

536
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Speaker 7: been shot and killed.

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Speaker 6: No way.

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Speaker 7: And now we have the Trump administration, Christy nom and

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Speaker 7: and every you know, the ICE commander and everybody else

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Speaker 7: have to make excuses.

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Speaker 6: Well, let's wait to see what comes.

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Speaker 1: We can see what we can see.

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Speaker 8: It's pretty it's all right there in the videos.

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Speaker 6: What else do we need to see?

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Speaker 2: BRONI, I agree one hundred percent. Thanks for Carul.

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Speaker 1: There's an element of this thing too that you see.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I kind of cut off there. I must

548
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Speaker 1: be the cold cold well that it's effect and everything, headphones,

549
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Speaker 1: all that stuff. Yeah, and how much does he go? Well,

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Speaker 1: I know what I'm being told, but I know what

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Speaker 1: I see. I know what I saw. I also know that,

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Speaker 1: and I'm reasonable that I would look at that and

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Speaker 1: go okay, if there's an extenuating circumstance as to why

554
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Speaker 1: they shot him, I would love to hear that. I'm

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Speaker 1: open to know what what, what threat, what perceived threat

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Speaker 1: you had at that moment. But based on the video evidence,

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Speaker 1: not just one, but we have several camera angles of

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Speaker 1: this thing. I saw a guy who had his phone out,

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Speaker 1: I saw a guy who put his hand up at

560
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Speaker 1: one point and hey, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Not a threat. They start pepper spraying and pushing people.

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Speaker 1: His reaction was to help a woman who got knocked over,

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Speaker 1: helped her up, and then all of a sudden, like

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Speaker 1: a bunch of guys are on top of him, pepper

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Speaker 1: spraying thing. And I've never been pepper I don't want

566
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Speaker 1: to be in a situation. I've been tased or pepper spread,

567
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: neither one of those things. I'm good, thank you. And

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Speaker 1: maybe he was warned get back, but they shoved him

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Speaker 1: pretty good. They shoved a bunch of people over as well.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to get back up. That's not attacking in

571
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Speaker 1: a law enforcement officer. You know, did he put his

572
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Speaker 1: bet Betsy said, you know, he put hands on them.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because it's icing, he's slipping

574
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Speaker 1: and they're spraying, pepper spraying, lots going on there, but

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Speaker 1: it seems to me that they escalated the hell out

576
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Speaker 1: of that situation when they didn't have to. And just

577
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Speaker 1: the multitude of federal agents on him, pummeling him, pepper

578
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Speaker 1: spraying him and punching him, and an agent takes the

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Speaker 1: gun off of him, so the threat is stopped. And

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Speaker 1: then at one point, the guy with the gun out

581
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Speaker 1: shoots at the same time. So I wonder if he

582
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Speaker 1: said somebody said gun, gun, gun and meaning that, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking the gun off off of him and the

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Speaker 1: officer who fired the shots I think ten shots in

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Speaker 1: five seconds. Thought it was a active threat of miscommunication.

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Speaker 1: But again, that's on training, and how could it not

587
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Speaker 1: be training in tactics At that point, the guy.

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Speaker 2: Was exercising his Second Amendment.

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Speaker 1: Right, This is a tough one if you are in

590
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Speaker 1: the Maga corner right now, going oh yeah, but okay,

591
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Speaker 1: second Amendment. Yeah, well I got shirts, I got guns,

592
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Speaker 1: I believe in all that stuff, and we're to fight

593
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Speaker 1: against tyranny. Well it was your guy that did it.

594
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Speaker 1: Well that's not tyranny, that's we have terrorists out, the

595
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Speaker 1: domestic terror I mean right away, to call him a

596
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Speaker 1: domestic terraces like there's a many people domestic terrorists. I

597
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Speaker 1: didn't see him as a domestic terrorist. Now you may

598
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Speaker 1: question his sensibilities, going, well, you're thirty seven year old ice,

599
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Speaker 1: you nurse at the VIA. You seem like a good guy.

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Speaker 1: You got to permit legal to carry. Why would you

601
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Speaker 1: put yourself in that situation? Why would you video the

602
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Speaker 1: law enforcement officer. Well, you know I would do that.

603
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Speaker 1: You probably wouldn't do that, but in America you have

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Speaker 1: a right to do that. And did I see someone

605
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Speaker 1: laying in front of you know, trying to trying to

606
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Speaker 1: pull the agents off of the person they were detaining

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Speaker 1: for what seems like reasonable cause. It's not our determination

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Speaker 1: as a reasonal but you can stand there in video

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Speaker 1: and protest and you know they're trying to move him

610
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Speaker 1: off the street. Sure, he's got his hand up, He's like,

611
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Speaker 1: I'm not a threat, and they shove him backwards. I

612
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Speaker 1: don't know if they need to do that. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if that's I'm saying. I don't know, I don't

614
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Speaker 1: know if that's an acceptable tactic or not. But it

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Speaker 1: seemed like people were videoing it where they weren't really

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Speaker 1: in the way I've seen, you know, local protests for example,

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Speaker 1: where people have done much worse than police have been

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Speaker 1: more restrained than that. It seems like they just escalated

619
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Speaker 1: this thing beyond all reasonable levels. At the end of

620
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Speaker 1: the day, the constitution says you're allowed to do things

621
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Speaker 1: like this. You may disagree with it, and you go,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a stupid idea. I think it's a

623
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Speaker 1: stupid cause. But that's how the constitution says. That's what

624
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Speaker 1: I care about most. Seven nine seven thou over to uh.

625
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Speaker 1: Let me get to Nick in Prebble County this morning

626
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Speaker 1: on seven hundred. WW How you doing, Nick?

627
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Speaker 2: I'm doing good, good, good good. What's up?

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Speaker 5: Good morning.

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Speaker 11: I'm just wondering, do you think the ICE agents should

630
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Speaker 11: leave a Minnesota them since they're having a mob ruled

631
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Speaker 11: up there.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it's more.

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Speaker 1: I think it's like like like coagitation, like the more

634
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Speaker 1: ICE agents do what they do, the more protesters you're

635
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Speaker 1: gonna have. I don't and I don't know if Trump

636
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Speaker 1: is certainly it's not in his DNA to back off

637
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Speaker 1: and go, hey, we're going to withdraw agents because of

638
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Speaker 1: you know, the shootings that have occurred at this point,

639
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Speaker 1: and I think it might get worse before it gets better.

640
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Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're there to enforce the laws

641
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Speaker 1: and you say, hey, listen, we're going after individuals. This

642
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: guy was wanted for domestic assault, which is a legitimate

643
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Speaker 1: reason around them up. Also the fact that you're illegally

644
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Speaker 1: that that's within the rain of ICE I'm not saying

645
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Speaker 1: they're incorrect and doing this. What I'm saying is shooting

646
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Speaker 1: that guy was wrong.

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Speaker 11: So do you think the officers should be put in

648
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Speaker 11: prison or she What do you think should happen to him?

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Speaker 8: Since he since you're saying he illegally.

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Speaker 1: Shot the guy, Well, again, he has an affirmative defense,

651
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Speaker 1: he has an opportunity to defend himself and as to

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Speaker 1: why he was in that position. But if everything plays

653
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Speaker 1: out is what we saw yesterday, there's no new evidence

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Speaker 1: that this guy had a gun who was making throw

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Speaker 1: our second gun, I guess I should say the threat

656
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Speaker 1: was neutralized. Why they have to shoot him? That that

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Speaker 1: burden should be on the on the agents.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Another thing is when when they go up there and

660
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Speaker 11: stuff and they're all blown whistles and like, if you're

661
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Speaker 11: trying to your job right now, once you were blown whistle,

662
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Speaker 11: they say they were going to kill you because there

663
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Speaker 11: is threat against them, their signs out there and everything else.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if you.

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Speaker 11: Were an eate, if you were an ICE agent, I

666
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Speaker 11: mean you would be.

667
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Speaker 8: A little fearful for your life.

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Speaker 6: I would I would imagine somebody else's gun.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, Yeah, I'd definitely be on edge. But the same

670
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Speaker 1: time is me and you are not trained to be

671
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Speaker 1: in situations like that. We don't insert our situation ourselves.

672
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: In situations like that. The training says, Hey, there's going

673
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Speaker 1: to be protesters, people blowing whistles, people saying things to you,

674
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: maybe throwing stuff at you, and that's where the training

675
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: comes in. And if that's the case, well where's the

676
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: training here. It's reasonable to go. We expect better from

677
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Speaker 1: federal agents from local agents for that matter. There's nothing

678
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: wrong or disloyal about that. That's how the system works.

679
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: They technically work for us. I have no problem with

680
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Speaker 1: them doing their jobs and rounding up people. They're rounding up.

681
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: That's what we voted for, Okay, But when you get

682
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Speaker 1: an individual out there who's exposing a threat at all

683
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Speaker 1: other than just recording and you shoot him, I can't

684
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Speaker 1: stand with that.

685
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: How about you.

686
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 10: Well, the thing is, once the gun was in play,

687
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 10: you know, I don't know why I would have done.

688
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 8: I mean, there's a gun in play.

689
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Speaker 11: I mean I hope I would have made the right

690
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Speaker 11: decision and not shot the guy.

691
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Speaker 6: But the same sense, everybody's.

692
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 5: Yelling gun, gun, and well maybe I really don't know.

693
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Speaker 1: They took the gun off the guy and then shot him.

694
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Speaker 1: That's the problem. It's not like he pulled the gun.

695
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: Out the gun.

696
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I agree, you know, it's just I mean I

697
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 10: took concealed carry here in Ohio. When I took it,

698
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 10: the first thing they tell you is, yeah, well the

699
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Speaker 10: police officer shoots you. And they said, well, you know,

700
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Speaker 10: telling me you got a gun, put your hands on

701
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Speaker 10: your steering wheel. I don't know if you have you

702
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 10: ever taken the cecil carry? Yeah, yeah, I have, right, yeah,

703
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Speaker 10: And I mean they pretty much tell you that you

704
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Speaker 10: know you got a gun, and the police officers don't

705
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Speaker 10: know what you're going to be done with a gun,

706
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 10: so you better make sure they tell you, tell them

707
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 10: they got a gun. So that was one of the

708
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Speaker 10: things that my wife and I took the course, and

709
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 10: she was like, she wouldn't even take she wouldn't even

710
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Speaker 10: go up and get a permit till she talked to

711
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Speaker 10: the sheriff here in the county and he says, nobody's

712
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 10: gonna shoot you.

713
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 5: You'll be fine.

714
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Speaker 1: Well, I got to go into news here, but I'll

715
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Speaker 1: interject and say that that lassin's changed. Of course, since

716
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: we changed the second amendment of the carry laws. In Ohio,

717
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: you don't have to tell a copy of a gun anymore.

718
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: And that's that's what people on the right wanted in

719
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: the state. So I don't know if that's the same

720
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: in minnesot I don't know what the laws of Minnesota

721
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: with that, if you got to identify or not. But

722
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: I know here's like, well, if you did that in Ohio,

723
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I don't have to tell you I

724
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Speaker 1: have a gun, and that's what conservatives wanted. And God,

725
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: and now you're telling me, well, you gotta tell me

726
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: I have a gun. I'm not saying you. You're saying that.

727
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: But do you see the disconnect here and the problem

728
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: because I do. Hey, listen, I had I guess I

729
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: want to talk about this more. Everyone wants to talk

730
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: about this. Uh maybe one line open at five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven,

731
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: eight hundred, the big one, talk back, a heart rate up?

732
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: What else you can do?

733
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: It's cold, you know, we're in the levels three S

734
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: no men emergency for the next few minutes here, can't

735
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Speaker 1: really go in or doing anything.

736
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: Might as well talk about this.

737
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Speaker 1: And I'm just curious where you stand on this whole issue.

738
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: I support law enforcement, as you know, I support what

739
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: ICE is doing to degree, you know, get the real criminals.

740
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm talking about people who are predators, who are here illegally.

741
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: Not just snarily legals, but predators. Yes, yeah, we we

742
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: should be doing that. However, However, what I saw yesterday,

743
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: or so I saw Saturday, I guess that ain't that.

744
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: I can't stand with that.

745
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: Because you are allowed to say I can't support this,

746
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: and I'm saying I can't support this.

747
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: How about you?

748
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: More of your calls right after news update on the

749
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: home of the Red seven hundred WW Cincinnati, say what

750
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: if you're prepared? Yes, it was a great to stay in.

751
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: You got a good excuse not to do nothing, watch

752
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: some football.

753
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'm with you. I know this is

754
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: not a popular stand.

755
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say. I don't really care. I'm going to

756
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: speak my conscience in my mind here and I've been

757
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: saying for the last hour, we'll continue this conversation about

758
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: what happened in Minnesota. Not allowed to say about the

759
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: cold and the snow. We'll wrap up that. I've got

760
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: a little few guests on that a little bit later on.

761
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: But right now, the story in Minnesota taking center stage here.

762
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, but you are allowed

763
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: to say I saw what I saw. I can't support this,

764
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: I thought, okay, I support our law enforcement. I support

765
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: our police. I understand the mission of Ice and Customs.

766
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: And that is the promise fulfilled by the time up

767
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 1: administration too weed out not only illegals, but particularly illegals

768
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Speaker 1: who are caught up in crime, serious crime, predatory crime,

769
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Speaker 1: like this individual that they were arresting. As the story goes,

770
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: a narrative goes allegedly on Saturday that they're rounding up

771
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Speaker 1: a guide who is here illegally, but also someone who

772
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Speaker 1: is a commits acts of domestic violence.

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Speaker 2: Okay, can't have that, all right. I'm with you there.

774
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: I can be supportive of that, and at the same time,

775
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: you can also be supportive of what you saw, not

776
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: what you're told, but by what you saw. And I

777
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: know what I saw, and you saw the same thing.

778
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: Did you look at that and go that's over the line,

779
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: because I did. I sure did. And what I really

780
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: don't like. What I don't really like is the constitutional

781
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 1: violation going We have the second, the fourth or fourteen

782
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: amendments of prohibitive officers from shooting citizens merely for possessing

783
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: a weapon that is not an imminent threat. Now let

784
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: me make that clear. This guy that was shot on

785
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: Saturday did not brandish a weapon. Okay, this wasn't Ryan Hinton.

786
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: He had it on his person. I would think the

787
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: weapon is secure in either waistband, pocket and probably a holster.

788
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: Not sure that was not an iminent threat. And the

789
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: video is very clear, the three to four to five

790
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: videos very clear that Kyle pretty was holding a cell

791
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: phone and not a firearm. And at one point prior

792
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: to him being you know, pepper spread, he had his

793
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: hand up in the fashion of not like shoving the up,

794
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: but like, hey, I got my cell phone, I'm recording this.

795
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: I'm not a threat, and the officer saw him as

796
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: a thread. Furthermore, when I hear instantly the Federal Gunment

797
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: Christy Nome come out and say this guy was a

798
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: domestic terrorist and he was poised to murder agents with

799
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: that gun, that is a lie. I don't think what

800
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: he was doing falls into the guy's the very broad

801
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: term of domestic terrorism, and I certainly don't think he

802
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: was poised to murder agents because if that were true,

803
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't he have already shot the agents. If you had

804
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: the gun, you had ample opportunity before they're in front of.

805
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: You to shoot them.

806
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: He didn't do that, he didn't draw it, he had

807
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: it on his person, he was not brandishing, and yet

808
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: he was shot to death. If you're able to justify

809
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: that in your mind, and I'm just curious, how do

810
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: you do that? Because presumably one of the great things

811
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: about mag and Republicans is the fact that they are

812
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: aren't supporters of the Second Amendment. I'm a big fan

813
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: of all amendments of the Constitution, particularly one and two.

814
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: To me, the reason why they're one and two the

815
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,959
Speaker 1: second one though, Okay, you're allowed to have you're allowed

816
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: to protest, you're a lot, and you're allowed to have

817
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: a gun on you. He had a legal permit to

818
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: carry that weapon and he got shot. Why, Well, because

819
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: he's at the meat he was poised to murder agents.

820
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 2: No, he wasn't. I don't know why he was carrying

821
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 2: the weapon.

822
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: We don't know what led him to going there, and

823
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: all the circumstances that will come out at some point.

824
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: Also troubling to me, it is the Minnesota Bureau of

825
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: a Criminal Apprehension said during a news conference Saturday, Federal

826
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: officers block the agency, the local agency, from the shooting scene.

827
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: They came back with a signed warrant from a judge,

828
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: and we're still blocked. That's not how it works, man,

829
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: that's not you know. At some point you go, okay,

830
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: hold on just a second. All the stuff that I support.

831
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: If you're you know, mag if you're on the right,

832
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 1: and I lean to the right, obviously, I go okay,

833
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm all about the constitution. I'm all about why do

834
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: you have a Why do you need guns? Every time

835
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: we have you know, progressives come out and go, well,

836
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: we need more gun. We gotta get her all these guns.

837
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: Get rid of the guns. Get rid of the guns.

838
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: Well, what do you what do you need?

839
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: All those guns were well to prevent to protect myself

840
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: from government tyranny, government tyranny. Don't you think that this

841
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: is government tyranny? Because because I sure do you know

842
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: when you have them saying yeah, I know what the

843
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: federal I know what the law is. Yeah, you're not new.

844
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: You can't come into our scene. No, no, no, no,

845
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: you're the Feds. Where we but by by lah By

846
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: the constitution. The local agencies have a right to go

847
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: to that too. Shooting scene. Shooting someone for simply possessing

848
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: a weapon that's not in them in threat is also

849
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: a constitucial violation. And so when you say I defend

850
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: the Second Amendment, do you or do you defend this administration?

851
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: Because those are two different things. Five win, three, seven, four, nine,

852
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Speaker 1: seven eight are the big one. Talk back on the

853
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app to Tim and for Thomas on the Scotslon Shoogar, Morning, Tim,

854
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: what's up?

855
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Speaker 12: It's him. It's got a couple of things that have

856
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 12: not been brought up that I need something on. In

857
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 12: the photo, it showed that the gun was cocked. When

858
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 12: you and I am a concealed carry owner in Kentucky.

859
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 12: When you carry a gun, you do not have it cocked.

860
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 12: It doesn't fit into a holster.

861
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Speaker 2: What do you mean, Kyle? It looked like I did.

862
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: I saw it, but I didn't really look closely at

863
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: the gun that they held up in the press conference

864
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: or a picture of on the seat. It looked like

865
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Speaker 1: a maybe a nine millimeter or a six hour. I'm

866
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 1: not quite sure what brand it was, but that didn't

867
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 1: look like a.

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Speaker 12: Revolver to me, No, a revolver. No, you're talking about

869
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Speaker 12: cocking the hammer on a revolver. In order for a

870
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 12: nine milimeter to be cocked and ready, you've got to

871
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 12: pull the entire chamber back the slide. It locks back

872
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 12: and it shows the barrel.

873
00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 6: That's the way it.

874
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but hold on a second, hold on, hold on.

875
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is the barrel was sticking out,

876
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: and there was because there's no round in the chamber.

877
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: When when law enforcement takes a firearm from a scene,

878
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: they render it like that. So it's probably law enforcement

879
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: that did that, necessarily him, because what they want to

880
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: make sure is that when in handling it in the

881
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: chain of evidence, they don't want it to go off.

882
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: So what they do is they secure it. They cleared

883
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: the magazine, and they leave it in that condition. What

884
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: you saw, So it probably wasn't him, it was law enforcement.

885
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 12: Well, I realized what you're saying, But you don't.

886
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 6: Know that for sure.

887
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know a lot of things for sure

888
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: at this point. I know what I saw. Did you

889
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: what you saw? What did you agree with?

890
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 12: I would have preferred to have a whole lot of

891
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 12: audio to fill in what was occurring. Holding a hand

892
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 12: up doesn't necessarily mean you know, I'm not a threat.

893
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 12: I don't know what the hand up meant. But the

894
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 12: other point I wanted to bring up was even though

895
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 12: he would be entitled to bring a gun anywhere as

896
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 12: a concealed carry permit owner, it was a bad idea.

897
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 12: But why would you have also too fully loaded cartridges

898
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 12: with you?

899
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: Magazines? He had two magazines on you. Okay, well, but

900
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: that's not if you have a permit, that's not a crime.

901
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: You could carry ten of them, so what it's not.

902
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 12: It's not a crime. But to say that that's not

903
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 12: an issue is wrong.

904
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: I don't know.

905
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: Well, they didn't know he had two mags on him

906
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: until after they killed him. And not only that they

907
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: took they took the gun away with They took the

908
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: gun away from him and then shot him. That's not

909
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: a problem for you.

910
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 12: If I put a crogress to go shopping and I

911
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 12: have my gun in my holster in a concealed position,

912
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 12: I don't take two magazines with me.

913
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not you.

914
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: But other people how I've seen people go into March's

915
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: Second Amendment marches that carry a lot more than that,

916
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: did they deserve to be shot?

917
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 12: I never said anything about deserving to be shot. I

918
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 12: think you're taking some things that appear to be facts

919
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 12: from what we've seen from the photos.

920
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: And you're making that absolutely.

921
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent doing that because that's that's what

922
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: we have right now, and it's natural. It's also logical

923
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: to now. I've said before, I can't say it enough.

924
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 1: If more evidence, exculporate evidence comes out that it leans

925
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: towards the ice agents or law enforcement, I'd be more

926
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: than open to hear that. But based on what you

927
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: see right now, do you or do you not have

928
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: a problem with it? If you had to make a

929
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: decision right now, what would it be.

930
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 12: Well, I wouldn't make a decision now. Like I said, audio,

931
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 12: I think is going to give a lot more information.

932
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 12: If this was a bad shoot, it needs to be

933
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 12: thoroughly investigated and prosecuted.

934
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 6: Yeah.

935
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: And I think that's the other problem is that you

936
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 1: know who's doing the investigation, the people who did the shooting.

937
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: That's a problem because we have that in local law enforcement.

938
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: Right Let's say Cincinnati, I don't know Evandale, whatever it

939
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: might be. The state comes in, they take the investigation

940
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: over you're a criminal investigation comes in Kentucky. Every other

941
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: state does that. It's like, yeah, okay, you guys are

942
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: in we're gonna investigate this. That ain't happening in this

943
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: case so far. That is also a problem. And so

944
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: the question is do you trust the government that much?

945
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: Because I don't. I don't trust the government if it's

946
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: a Democrat. I don't trust the government if it's a Republican.

947
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: And we got to a point now in this country

948
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 1: where a lot of people will simply side with the

949
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: government because that's my horse because I got that you

950
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: know what, I got that red shirt on, or I

951
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: got that blue shirt on. I don't care what that

952
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: I I'm with them all the way because we're afraid

953
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: of a couple of things. One of them is being

954
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: thrown out of the group that somehow you know you're

955
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: a rhino or you know you're actually a conservative when

956
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: you say you're a progressive, and I don't know. We

957
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: need to be in I guess that community right now

958
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: because we've turned this, you know, into sports is what

959
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 1: it is. We have a team, were rooting for a team,

960
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: and my team can never I can never be wrong

961
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: because it's a reflection on me, and it's not. And

962
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: I think the reflection on us is like, instead of

963
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: siding with what the truth is and what really matters

964
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: and that we are the people and we run the

965
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: show simply because it's who I voted for, who I support,

966
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: I got to look the other way. And that just

967
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: gives them more license to do nonsensical stuff. And you

968
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: think it's bad right now, it's the experts and I'm

969
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: not one of them, talk about the midterm elections and

970
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: now there's gonna be a big blue wave and there's

971
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: gonna be hell to pay. And then that's gonna maybe

972
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: translate to three years from now, which just seems like

973
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: a held a lot of a long time. There's gonna

974
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: be this big progressive backlash against conservatives. You think it's bad, now,

975
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: imagine the imagine when another side, the other side, gets

976
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,959
Speaker 1: in power. They're gonna go, Okay, well, hold my beer.

977
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: You thought you thought there's some egregiou stuff happening. Watch this,

978
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: But I'll do the name of progressivism. And then in

979
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: four years we'll do it all over again. It'll just

980
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: get worse and worse and worse. Unless we stand up.

981
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: We gotta listen. There's some immutable laws at play here,

982
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: namely the constitution. Don't care if it's Donald don't care

983
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: if it's Joe Biden. We absolutely can't allow that.

984
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: Now.

985
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: Can things change? Can there be new evidence coming in

986
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: that exonerates the cops. Sure, and I'm open to hearing that,

987
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: But right now we got to go. If we go,

988
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: If we waited until, you know, judges and juries decided things,

989
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: it bede awfully boring world. We all armshare quarterback. That's

990
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: what we're doing right now, and there's no harm in that.

991
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: It's human nature. Let me get to John in Westwood

992
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: on seven hundred. John, you're a retired cop. I am

993
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: all right.

994
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: What'd you see?

995
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: Well?

996
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 13: I saw a criminal and interfering with the lawful arrest

997
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 13: of an illegal alien, okay. And then I saw not

998
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 13: only did he interfere, but he resisted arrest once he

999
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 13: was told he was under arrest. And then I saw

1000
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 13: him fighting with the cops, fighting that legal arrest. And

1001
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 13: then during the course of the struggle, the cops shouted gun, gun, gun.

1002
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 13: Right now, if they took the gun off of him

1003
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 13: and the cops had it in his hand, there's no

1004
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 13: way in hell they would have shot him.

1005
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 2: So I have to disagree with they did.

1006
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 6: John.

1007
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: That's that's what the that's what the video shows. The

1008
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: video shows very clearly that the I.

1009
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: Think was the agent a video I did not see

1010
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: that I.

1011
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: Thought is the guy in gray had I think gray

1012
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: shirt sleeves on. He pulled the gun out, had it

1013
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 1: in his hand, and then the shots. Then then the

1014
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: shot gun in his hand. Scott, come on, No, the

1015
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: video shows the guy holding a gun in his hand

1016
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: that he took off the that's already in the timeline.

1017
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 13: It did not, And you're you're jumping to conclusions. And

1018
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 13: the other thing is this is in no way a

1019
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 13: Second Amendment issue.

1020
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: House. Sure, he had the right to have a.

1021
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 13: Gun anywhere he wants to go. You can't take him

1022
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 13: the or you know, bars and stuff like that if

1023
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 13: you drinking. But that that goes out the window when

1024
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 13: he interferes with lawns.

1025
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:53,479
Speaker 5: He didn't.

1026
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 13: I don't know the window.

1027
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know where you're coming from on this,

1028
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: but it's very clear that you are. The constution prohibits

1029
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: officers from from shooting people merely for possessing a weapon

1030
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: when it's not an eminent threat. It wasn't an imminent threat.

1031
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: He didn't have it drawn, he wasn't reaching for it.

1032
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: They took the gun off him. What amendment says that,

1033
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry breaking up?

1034
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 4: What a.

1035
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: Second amendment? Fourth amendment, fourteenth amendment, a lot of amendments?

1036
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: Law enforcement is that you know him interfering is a felony.

1037
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: I believe in this particular case that's sorry. But two

1038
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,320
Speaker 1: things can be right. He can be breaking the law

1039
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: by protesting, but law enforcement agers you shot him could

1040
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: also be breaking the law because this looks like a

1041
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: bad shoot. Well, it looks like a bad shoot, but

1042
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: we don't know all the facts. And for you to

1043
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: jump to conclusions and get people routed up, you're just

1044
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: playing into the handle of the.

1045
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: You're hold on a second, hold of the second.

1046
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: In your world, you wait until the til the case

1047
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: goes to court, till a jury. Here's in the judge's side.

1048
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: We're not allowed to talk about anything until that point.

1049
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying a.

1050
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 13: Lot of times that happens because if you talk about

1051
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 13: it, it coul jeopardize the case.

1052
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: You know that, No, no, no, no, I'm talking about the citizens.

1053
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: I'm talking about people like me and you who have

1054
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: nothing to do with Minnesota talking about this. You're saying,

1055
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: you you wait until the wait until it becomes history

1056
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: and not news to talk about things.

1057
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 13: No, no, no, no no, that's kind of what you're saying,

1058
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 13: that we can we can discuss it. We are you

1059
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 13: up to say that the cops did wrong?

1060
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: You don't know that.

1061
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 1: Okay, hold on a second, did you not just minutes ago,

1062
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: tell me you said that he was interfering with the

1063
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: criminal investigation and he was resisting arrest. How do you

1064
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: know he was just saying, how do you know what

1065
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: he was saying to those officers. You don't know that

1066
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: anymore than I do. So you're doing the same thing,

1067
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: are you. Well, you're you're saying that the video shows

1068
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: the cop took the gun off of him, had it

1069
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: in his hand, and then he was shot.

1070
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about.

1071
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: That's not according to those who researchers who went through

1072
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 1: this frame by frame, and I watched it myself, that's

1073
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: what I saw. Now again, you're you're a welcome to

1074
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: your own opinion on this thing. But it's pretty clear

1075
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: that the officer had him taking the gun off of

1076
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: him and it was shot at the same time. You

1077
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: can't have it, but you can't also, I mean, if

1078
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: you saw five guys on top of one, what caused

1079
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 1: what caused him to be in such a situation where

1080
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:11,959
Speaker 1: he'd be shot?

1081
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 6: For that?

1082
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 13: Scott, I'm afraid that when it all comes out, you're

1083
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 13: gonna find that you were wrong and you should issue

1084
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 13: and I will.

1085
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: And I'll say I will.

1086
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, John, if I'm right, I'll never

1087
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Speaker 1: hear from you again, will I No.

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Speaker 13: No, no, I'm enjoying you will not.

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Speaker 1: No no I'm saying is you won't call back and

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Speaker 1: say you know what I was wrong about this?

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Speaker 5: I will?

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Speaker 1: Well, you will, okay, I will, all right, And I

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00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,439
Speaker 1: know what I'm going to do because it's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: if there's more evidence coming out, let's see it. I'm fair,

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00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: but I'm also a citizen and what I saw bothered

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Speaker 1: the hell out of me. I didn't like it at all.

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00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to say that. But we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of people to going, well, well, if the if

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Speaker 1: and when, Okay, then Kyle Rittenhouse, Ashley Babbitt, what about that, Well,

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00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: that's different.

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00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: Now it's not really. You're allowed to do that.

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00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: You're allowed to care a weapon on you. You shouldn't

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00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: be shot for that unless you're brandishing it or about

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Speaker 1: to reach work, which Cordnell the video in the timeline

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00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: so far, which could change and there could be more evidence,

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00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: doesn't appear to be the case. We should all be

1107
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: outrage of that. And you know what if your pro

1108
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: Second Amendment, if you're how hard I guess I should

1109
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: have made How hard does that make your job if

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Speaker 1: you're a cop, because you have federal agents that appear

1111
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: in my citizens perspective that have not have good tactics here,

1112
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: doesn't that make the local jobs, the local cops jobs harder.

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00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: I think it does, because you know, people tend to

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00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: I don't, but people tend to lump them all together, going, oh,

1115
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: you know a bunch of cops like that makes me hard.

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00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: It makes harder for the Minnesota police or Cincinnati police

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Speaker 1: to do their job.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion. Yeah, we speculate, we talk, we armshare cords.

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00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: That's life.

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Speaker 1: You can't you can't speculate on the things that you

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00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 1: want to speculate. And when someone brings up that goes

1122
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: against your already preconceived notions go, well, we shouldn't talk

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00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: about it until yeah we should. We should because well,

1124
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: these are our rights. This is our country, after all,

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00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: regardless of who you voted for, who you support SEC Amendment. Baby,

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00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm down you. We'll get to news and we'll switch

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00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: it up here. Julie Hattersh're share mental Health Monday. Good

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Speaker 1: time to do this next seven hundred WWD.

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Speaker 8: Since Monday with mental health expert Julie Hattershire.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, after the cold and snow and ice and of

1131
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 1: course all the news, it feels like we need someone

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00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: to talk a little mental health these days. And this

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00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 1: is why you do it on Monday Mornings with Julie

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00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: Hattershare with Beconnected dot Care here in Cincinnati. Welcome, Julie.

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00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: How are you you're digging out? Are you just staying

1136
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: and waiting for the snow to melt?

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00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 14: We dug our way out over the weekend. Yeah, shovel

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00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 14: several times?

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00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 3: All right?

1140
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: How long did it take you?

1141
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 14: The first time we were out there for just under

1142
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 14: an hour, and the second and third times were less

1143
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 14: than that.

1144
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 5: There was a lot less snow to do after, you know.

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00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: The great when a husband and a wife can do something.

1146
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: I have to together unlike me were.

1147
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 4: My bonding experience.

1148
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 2: But my knees, my knees.

1149
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: Oh well, oh, I've got to do everything. I'm exhausted, Julie.

1150
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: I need a vacation.

1151
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: I don't know how.

1152
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how full time caregivers do it. I

1153
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: really don't between, you know, just trying to keep all

1154
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: the all the plates. But yeah, that's that's the way

1155
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: it is. But uh, all right, she's mending, and none

1156
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: too quickly, by the way.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: Let's go, Let's get these knees heeld and get on

1159
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: with your life, because I need I need what Julie

1160
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: has right now.

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00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: It's a partnership. It's a partnership.

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00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 5: Well, and I'm sure she feels that way too.

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00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 14: I know, Michelle, she would not like to be down

1164
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 14: for the count for as long as she had with

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00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 14: both of these knees.

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00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: Because she's annoying when she's down and she can't do anything,

1167
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: and so it's even more frustrated that she can't and

1168
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: that it's more demand. It's a whole thing. So what

1169
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: you're saying is, Julie, I need to be more resilient.

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00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: How do I be more resilient.

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Speaker 14: You need to be more resilient. I'm saying you need

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00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 14: to be more resilient. You need to bounce back better.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about resiliency. How does that work?

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Speaker 14: Even Well, so we all know people who something bad

1175
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 14: happens to them and it really takes them down and

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Speaker 14: they have a very hard time getting back up again.

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Speaker 14: And we also all know people who's something really bad

1178
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Speaker 14: takes them down and they take a deep breath and

1179
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Speaker 14: they dust themselves off and they pop back up again

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Speaker 14: and keep going. And those are the people who are

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Speaker 14: who are skilled in being resilient, And those are the

1182
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Speaker 14: people that we're going to be talking about today and

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Speaker 14: what makes them resilient and how we can be resilient

1184
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Speaker 14: because life is going to throw us curveballs, whether it's

1185
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 14: your health or economics. Life is going to throw you

1186
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 14: a curveball, and how you respond to it is.

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Speaker 5: A mark of how resilient you are. So we're going

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00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 5: to talk about what makes that happen.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's do that, because I'm fascinated with this topic

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00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: because it's about me. I think about you. I'm a survivor,

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Speaker 1: I will I'm like a cockroach I'll find a way right.

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Speaker 1: It may take me a long time, but I envy

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Speaker 1: people who can go okay, shake it, Like you know,

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00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: professional athletes, Well, they'll go okay, I a bad play,

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Speaker 1: I'll come back and they wind up winning, as opposed

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Speaker 1: to you know, mean, I hit a bad golf shot.

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Speaker 1: I'm pissed off about that for the next three holes.

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Speaker 1: I need to be more resilient. I tend to hold

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Speaker 1: onto things, and I think that's part of my DNA.

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Speaker 1: My folks are like that. I'm like and I've been

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Speaker 1: trying to shake it for all these years. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I'm doing a good job or not.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 14: So you say your DNA is like that, and you're

1205
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 14: right that resilience is somewhat linked to your genetics. So

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00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 14: some people are more resilient than other people. And some

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00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 14: people are more resilient physically, like they just they bounce

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Speaker 14: back from illness or injury better. Some people are more

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Speaker 14: resilient mentally and emotionally they sort of regroup and get

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Speaker 14: back on the horse better than others. But innately, though

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Speaker 14: those may be your qualities, we all have the ability

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Speaker 14: to increase our resilience and to increase our bounceability when

1213
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 14: things go wrong, and so you know, if you can,

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00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 14: if you can hit a bad shot and it only

1215
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 14: takes you a whole and a half to get over it,

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00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 14: that's better, right, So we can increase that to some degree.

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Speaker 1: I've been golfer for like ten years. There stuff I

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Speaker 1: still hold against myself from the first year I learned

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Speaker 1: how to golf.

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Speaker 2: Is that bad?

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Speaker 3: That's really bad?

1222
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Speaker 2: A long line. I come from a long line of

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00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: people hold on it.

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Speaker 1: My mom, for example, when I would she would remind

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Speaker 1: me of stuff I did when I was five years

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00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: old that she still holds on to.

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Speaker 14: Oh, my mother does the same thing. She'll say something

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00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 14: to me and she'll say, you told me this, And

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Speaker 14: I say, Mom, I was thirteen.

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Speaker 5: That was a really long time.

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Speaker 4: Hang on you.

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Speaker 2: That's not resilient, is it. That's not being resilient.

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Speaker 1: So positive attitude, optimism, able to regulate emotion, viewing failures, feedback,

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00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: and not not a indictment on yourself. That that's essentially

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Speaker 1: what resilient. And we can use a lot more resilience

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Speaker 1: in this world, couldn't we.

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Speaker 14: We could use a lot more resilience in this world.

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00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 14: Part of it, too, is what you attribute the challenges too.

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00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 14: So if you attribute then to things outside your control,

1240
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 14: that you are just unlucky, that there is nothing you

1241
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 14: can do about what happened to you and don't take

1242
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 14: ownership for your response to it. That tends to make

1243
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 14: you think more like a victim and tends to make

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00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 14: you be less resilient. Whereas if you say some things

1245
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 14: are in my control, how I respond and how I

1246
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 14: behave some things are outside my control, the weather, for example,

1247
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 14: or what's going on politically in the world that is

1248
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 14: outside your ability to control.

1249
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,439
Speaker 5: But you can control how you show up, how you.

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Speaker 14: Think about it, what you do about it, what actions

1251
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 14: you take or don't take. If you focus the locust

1252
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 14: the focus of your control on you and what you

1253
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 14: can do versus the things that you can't control, that

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00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 14: gives you more agency and tends to make you more resilient.

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Speaker 14: So it's about looking at how you can show up,

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00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 14: what you can influence your control, not focusing so much

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00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 14: on the things that you can't. Because again, life is

1258
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 14: going to throw us all curveballs.

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00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah you've got the curve balls are coming, there's no

1260
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: doubt about that, and you've got to learn how to

1261
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: let that roll off your back. But and I think

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Speaker 1: you could be too resilient where you just let yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't care about anything.

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Speaker 2: There's an extreme on both sides of this whole thing.

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Speaker 14: Trauma servisor sure that would be resilience, that that would

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Speaker 14: be that would be apathy. No, I'm not sure that

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00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 14: would be resilience. That would be apathy. That the concept

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00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 14: of resilience is Okay, you are, you are impacted, and

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00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 14: you overcome the not caring, the apathy.

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Speaker 5: That's not resilience.

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Speaker 14: That's something different, and it's not necessarily bad in every situation.

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Speaker 5: It's just not quite what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Trauma survivors seem to be really good at this.

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Speaker 14: Tr trauma survivors, well, trauma survivors are survivors.

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Speaker 5: By by definition.

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Speaker 14: They don't always thrive in the in the aftermath of

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00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 14: the trauma though. And so there's this concept we've all

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01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 14: heard of post traumatic stress disorder PTSD, but there's this

1279
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Speaker 14: concept in the psychological world of post traumatic growth, where

1280
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 14: the trauma happens and as a result of it we

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01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 14: grow and learn and change in positive ways. So I

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Speaker 14: saw this repeatedly when I was just out of grad

1283
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Speaker 14: school and working with cancer patients and their families as

1284
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Speaker 14: a counselor, and I would see time and time again

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Speaker 14: that my clients would talk about the gifts that came

1286
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 14: with their cancer diagnosis, the deepening of relationships, the clarity

1287
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 14: of prioritizing their lives, the reorganizing of what mattered to them,

1288
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 14: the recognition that chasing money and fame and success didn't

1289
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 14: necessarily make them happy. What made them happy was their

1290
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 14: relationships and the meaningful things in their lives. And so

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Speaker 14: when faced with this life threatening illness or life impacting illness,

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01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 14: they very often would talk at some point point in

1293
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 14: time after they sort of got over the initial shock,

1294
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 14: about how it changed their world and changed their priorities

1295
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 14: for the better. You know, they knew who showed up

1296
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 14: for them and who didn't. They knew who was there

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01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 14: for them and who wasn't. They knew what mattered to

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01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 14: them and what didn't, and it helped them shift their

1299
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 14: thinking about the world. And they considered those the gifts

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Speaker 14: that came with cancer. We would call that post traumatic growth.

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Speaker 1: Okay, as opposed to postmatic stress, which you normally think about,

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Speaker 1: all right, Julie, when it comes to the topic of

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Speaker 1: resilience here, how do you how do you lean into it?

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Speaker 2: How do you make yourself more resilient? What steps do

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Speaker 2: you take?

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Speaker 5: Well, First of.

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Speaker 14: All, you can take some risks and recognize that they

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Speaker 14: may not pay off, and going in knowing that they

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Speaker 14: may not pay off. If they don't pay off, you

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Speaker 14: can then figure out how to group after that, so

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Speaker 14: you can control the risk, control the reaction, and learn

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Speaker 14: to build your resilience as a results of that. And

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01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 14: the more you put yourself into positions where you're walking

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01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 14: on the edge of your case abilities in whatever situation

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01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 14: that is, the more likely you are to stumble or

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01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 14: fall or fail, and the more practice you can have

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Speaker 14: in picking yourself back up and figuring it out again. Scientists,

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Speaker 14: for example, often fail, and that's part of their process

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01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 14: is they try this, it doesn't work.

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Speaker 5: They try something else it doesn't work in some way

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Speaker 5: to get to the.

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Speaker 14: Right answer, and every time they fail they learn something new.

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Speaker 5: So another thing.

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Speaker 14: Is recognizing that failure is good information to have. If

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Speaker 14: something doesn't work out, that's good information for you to

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Speaker 14: have because now you know something that doesn't work, which

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Speaker 14: allows you to do something different and perhaps better than

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Speaker 14: next time, versus I failed. You can think, oh, I

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Speaker 14: learned that this doesn't work. Let me try this instead.

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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, that makes sense, So you try. But again,

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Speaker 1: you can't be risk averse. You have to lean into

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Speaker 1: you guys. Hey, you know, I may learn something, it

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Speaker 1: may work out, but I'll take something away. I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people, especially in this day and age

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Speaker 1: Julie had to share, to look at any criticism and any

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Speaker 1: failure is the worst thing in the world that we

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Speaker 1: should be avoided at all costs. And when it comes

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Speaker 1: out of criticism is how do you not take that personally?

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of people in the world take

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Speaker 1: criticism personal as a personal front as opposed to being

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01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: constructive or you know, looking at help and am minutely

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01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: you get defensive, going wow, how dare they belittle me?

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01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: But that's not what's happening? What kind of character flaw

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01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: is that? And how do you change that?

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Speaker 14: Well, first of all, I would say that sometimes criticism

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Speaker 14: is delivered as if it's personal, not you did that wrong,

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01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 14: but you are wrong, Not you screwed that up, but you.

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Speaker 5: Are a screw up. So sometimes criticism actually.

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Speaker 14: Is delivered personally, And it makes sense then that we

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Speaker 14: would take it that way. Sometimes it is delivered in

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Speaker 14: a constructive, helpful, kind way, and we still.

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01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 5: Are primed to take it that way.

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Speaker 14: And people who are resilient, it's not that they don't

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Speaker 14: take it personally.

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Speaker 5: It's not that they don't feel the sting.

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Speaker 14: It's that they recognize even if it is, there's something

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Speaker 14: they can learn from it. They can grow, they can change.

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Speaker 14: It's good information to have. So after it stings, after

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Speaker 14: they say that coach that hurt, then they say, okay,

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Speaker 14: what if this is true and valid and applicable, what

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Speaker 14: can I learn from it? How can I grow? And

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Speaker 14: is there anything that I can do better or different

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Speaker 14: next time to prevent this from happening. So it's not

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Speaker 14: that it doesn't sting, it's that they don't stay with

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Speaker 14: the sting. They move past that into growth, change, knowledge, information,

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Speaker 14: and understanding.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha as opposed to shutting down and going to a

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Speaker 1: shell because you feel like you've been affronted, Which is true.

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Speaker 1: I mean we've you know, we live in a society

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Speaker 1: day where we've kind of poisoned our kids against any

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Speaker 1: criticism as a direct attack on who we are and

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Speaker 1: our psyche and of course any any type of risk

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Speaker 1: or any type of failure is to be avoided at

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Speaker 1: all costs. It seems we probably are less resilient than

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Speaker 1: as a result of that, than more resilient these days.

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Speaker 14: Absolutely, And I'm glad you brought up children, because I

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01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 14: think that resilience is something that our youth today are

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Speaker 14: severely lacking. And partly that's her parents' fault. Partly that's

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01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 14: because parents have paved the way, snow plowed, helicoptered, managed

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Speaker 14: their children's lives to ensure success and not allowed them

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01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 14: to have the experience of turning in an assignment laid

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Speaker 14: and getting a failing grade, or doing something halfway and

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01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 14: getting a lower grade than they need, or pushing themselves

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01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 14: to try out for a higher level sports team and

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Speaker 14: not making it. And when that happens, they don't learn

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Speaker 14: how to overcome, how to regroup, how to learn the

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Speaker 14: lessons that they need to learn as children and young people.

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Speaker 14: When they've got a lot of safeguards and a lot

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Speaker 14: of safety nets in place. Oftentimes then they hit their

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Speaker 14: first real failure in their twenties or their thirties, and

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Speaker 14: they're completely undone because it hasn't happened to them before,

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Speaker 14: and they don't know what to.

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Speaker 5: Do, all right, They don't know how to regroup.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Before we go wrap it all up, joining talk about

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Speaker 1: resilience and how to be more resilient or life, what.

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Speaker 6: Do you do?

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01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 14: Put yourself in situations where you can take some calculated

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01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 14: risks and if it doesn't go well, figure out what

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01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 14: you need to learn from that to move on. So

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01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 14: practice being resilient, Feel the sting of a criticism or

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01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 14: a failure, and then figure out what you can do

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01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 14: differently next time to.

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Speaker 5: Help prevent it. Try to focus.

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01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 14: On keeping what you can control and influence within you

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01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 14: and not worrying so much about the things you can't

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01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 14: control or influence. You can't control what happens to you,

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01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 14: but you can control how you respond to it, what

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01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 14: meaning you make of it, and what you do with.

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Speaker 5: It in the future.

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Speaker 1: Easier said than done, Julie, that's the nature of your job.

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01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: You're just easier said than done.

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Speaker 5: It's easy for me to say, people just figure out

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01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 5: how to apply it.

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01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it all right.

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01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: She's there for a Julie how to share our licensed

1417
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: mental health expert here on Scott's Soland Show. She is

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Speaker 1: at beconnected dot Care. That's a letter b Connected dot Care.

1419
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: If you want to reach out, maybe a topic for

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01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: future show. Something you heard to reach out and we'll

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01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: discuss at a later date. Every Mental Health Monday with Julie.

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01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: Thanks again, have a great week.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, by bye.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll get to news in about five minutes

1425
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,439
Speaker 1: here on seven hundred WLW on this day of days

1426
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: where we have what's going on Minnesota kind of exhausted

1427
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: that in the first hour of the show. Make sure

1428
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 1: listen to the podcast. I had a great guest done

1429
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: at nine about this from the Police Foundation, Betsy Brentnor

1430
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: Smith from the National Police Association. Disagreed with her. We

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01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: had different takes on this whole thing of what I

1432
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 1: saw I had a huge problem with. But I'm sure

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Speaker 1: we'll be talking about that in the coming days because

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Speaker 1: this story is not going of course, the biggest story

1435
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: local to us would be the weather. Had that huge

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01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: snowstorm move through. Hopefully you're digging out or have digged

1437
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: out already, doug dugged out, dugged out, digging whatever, you

1438
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Hopefully you cleared your driveway. Let's

1439
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: put it that way. Now, we got to face bitter cold,

1440
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: full forecast, traffic, all that on the way and when

1441
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Speaker 1: to return on the show, Speaking of which we'll talk electricity,

1442
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Speaker 1: namely the one million people of our power after this storm.

1443
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: Is that a sign of things to come? With the

1444
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Speaker 1: grid the way it is right now? We'll talk energy

1445
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: with David Holt next Home of the Red seven hundred

1446
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: w WT since that this is why everything shut down

1447
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: level through snow emergencies and alike, and that brings us

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01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 1: up too, is the aftermath of this. So we had

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Speaker 1: over one million without power in the region. Kentucky one

1450
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: of those eleven states hit by snow and ice taking

1451
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: out lines. Nashville, just south of US had a record

1452
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: breaking event with almost a quarter million homes without electricity

1453
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: and that continues in through today. And of course we've

1454
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:27,440
Speaker 1: had this competition many times. Experts say it's failing infrastructure.

1455
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: You're you know, as the result of that, you're gonna

1456
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Speaker 1: see more widespread outages during snow, ice and wind events,

1457
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: and we're going to power is going to fall easier

1458
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: than it has in the past, according to the experts.

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Speaker 1: One of those is David Hole he's the president of

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01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: the Consumer Energy Alliance, joined on the show this morning

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Speaker 1: on seven hundred WW David House Today, find you, you know,

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01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:48,440
Speaker 1: warm and safet.

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Speaker 8: Hopefully that's the majority of your listeners as well.

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01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 2: Good you're down? Are you in Texas?

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Speaker 15: I am?

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Speaker 6: You am?

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01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: How did the power because last time, remember we had

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01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,759
Speaker 1: that ice event and it was an unmitigated disaster, literally

1469
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: had the disaster because so many people without power. How

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Speaker 1: do y'all do this time?

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Speaker 8: So, so far, so good. It's you know, a few

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Speaker 8: scattered power outages, mostly from you know, down trees and

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Speaker 8: things like that. But for the most part, Texas is

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01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 8: I guess weathering the storm pretty well good. Today will

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01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 8: be the coldest day for us. But I think so

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01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 8: far so good. Fingers crossed prayers for everyone.

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01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:23,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's not unexpected at all when you

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01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 1: have an event like this as wide and big and

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01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: deep and awful as the storm was over the weekend. Fortunately,

1481
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: is over the weekend too. I'll point out you're almost

1482
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:35,480
Speaker 1: going to have power.

1483
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 2: Edgers and the like. But are you surprised? Is it?

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Speaker 5: Is? It?

1485
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 2: Too little?

1486
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 6: Is about?

1487
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 1: I mean a million homes and not only that, especially

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01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: what happened in Nashville. Is that indication this is a

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Speaker 1: it's been a problem with our power greater or is

1491
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: this just simply what they expected because of the bad weather.

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Speaker 8: You know, you know, these extreme weather events like this,

1493
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 8: you know, a tornado, hurricane, extreme cold, extreme heat, they're

1494
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 8: always they just said that the big esters of the grid,

1495
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 8: of our our power mixture. For the most part, Scott,

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01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:09,440
Speaker 8: I think the nation is showing, uh, pretty good resiliency

1497
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 8: of the grid, pretty good resiliency for power.

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Speaker 6: There are power outages.

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Speaker 8: Around, Uh, there has been a little bit of a

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Speaker 8: loss of loss of life.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to understate all this, but.

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Speaker 8: From what we've seen in the past so far, it's

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01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 8: better than it's been other years other times that's shown

1504
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 8: good resiliency. That shows the grid operators all across the country,

1505
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 8: you know, saw this storm coming prepared. Did we learned

1506
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 8: lessons from other weather events that we've already had, uh

1507
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 8: in previous years. So for the most part, you know,

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01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 8: in a national generalization statement, it it hadn't been too bad.

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01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 2: All right, So we did pretty good.

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01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: And yet experts, maybe not yourself, but others in the

1511
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: field say hey, listen, yeah, we're we're at a tipping

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01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: point here.

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Speaker 2: We can drill, baby, drill. We can extrue.

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01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,439
Speaker 1: We can get all this energy out of the ground,

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Speaker 1: but we still have to put it in a plant

1516
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,639
Speaker 1: to convert it to usable energy. And then we've got

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01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: to get that from the plant to homes and businesses

1518
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 1: and hospitals and retirement homes and nursers and all that

1519
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: stuff as well.

1520
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 2: And that's where the disconnect is. People. Here's you go.

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01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, we just had a big storm, one of

1522
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,559
Speaker 1: the biggest ever. And yeah, some people are a powero

1523
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: gunning back online. But no big deal, so we kick

1524
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 1: the can down the road?

1525
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 8: Is that?

1526
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 2: Why is that? What's happening here?

1527
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 3: You know?

1528
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 8: I'm one of those guys that keeps saying we have

1529
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 8: to do more, and I think we have more time

1530
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 8: in this storm. It's not over yet, but so far,

1531
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 8: so good. But don't let that. Let us rest on

1532
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 8: our laurels. We are way behind, and grid development way

1533
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 8: behind and expanding our transmission. Some states have gotten I

1534
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 8: balanced with too much renewable energy and not enough always

1535
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 8: available natural gas and dispatchable base load power. We still

1536
01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 8: need to have some serious conversation among all the states

1537
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 8: and develop more nuclear power. What we're going to see

1538
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 8: over the next three to fifteen years. Scott is unprecedented

1539
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 8: in US history with new demand for electricity and for

1540
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 8: power for data centers. Industrial development across the country is

1541
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 8: really also quite expanding quite a bit.

1542
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,480
Speaker 6: We also have more natural gas.

1543
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 8: For LNG and other global applications. So all these things

1544
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 8: mean we need more pipelines, We need more transmission lines,

1545
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 8: We need to develop more of our own natural resources.

1546
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 8: We need to get more serious about natural gas. Demand

1547
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 8: is going up. The strains on the grid are real,

1548
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 8: and states, local and federal policy makers all need to

1549
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 8: get serious about it. We're also scott still seeing a

1550
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:55,440
Speaker 8: lot of protesting and nay saying and opposition to developing

1551
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,759
Speaker 8: pipelines and transmission and other energy projects around the country.

1552
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 8: We really got to get to a place where citizens

1553
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 8: have their say.

1554
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 6: We want everyone to have their input.

1555
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 8: But we need to be as a society able to

1556
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 8: make decisions and build out this infrastructure relatively quickly at

1557
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 8: this point because we are behind so states, the local

1558
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 8: communities need to weigh in, but we need to build it.

1559
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had this Duke pipeline fight not long ago

1560
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: here in the Cincinnati area residents, and now I get it.

1561
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, oh, we don't need this in

1562
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 2: our schools and our homes and like.

1563
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 1: And not only that, the pipeline's not even coming to Sency,

1564
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: it's going somewhere else. Well, yeah, that's how it works.

1565
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:33,640
Speaker 1: It's a pipeline.

1566
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 6: You know.

1567
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 1: I wonder if somebody said, hey, listen, I don't want

1568
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: the pipeline coming through our neighborhood because well, let's going

1569
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati. I don't live in Cincinnati. I live in

1570
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: Iowa or whatever. It's well, yeah, it doesn't work that way.

1571
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 1: It's a it's a network, and it's far cheaper and

1572
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: easier and safer, generally speaking, to transfer stuffvia pipeline than

1573
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: it is on trucks and freight. It's also better for

1574
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: the environment for that matter. But you know, we want

1575
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: to use it, we don't want it. It's the same

1576
01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: as you pointed out, David Holt, president of consc Our

1577
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: Energy Alliance, the ongoing demand for data in AI. You know,

1578
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 1: here in Ohio we are I think we're number top five,

1579
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: uh for new data centers in AI, and they're putting

1580
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: more in. I think we've got a battle here locally

1581
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: over three or four I believe, uh, facilities where neighbors

1582
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: are questioning, and it has to do with a couple

1583
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: of things. One of them is water and the amount

1584
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: of water that they need to cool things. But also

1585
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: it's a tremendous amount of energy and resources these things

1586
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: take up, and that that's straining our system here to

1587
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: the point where, well, you know, people are out there

1588
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: fighting it, but I don't know if they're going to

1589
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: wind up changing anyone's mind. At some point they're going

1590
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 1: to go in uh And and the amount of power

1591
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 1: that these things need is an incredible amount. We're still

1592
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: getting them from larger the same the same source, the

1593
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: same power plants aren't and that's the problem.

1594
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, we are, and we need to expand some of those.

1595
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 8: We need to build out new power plants. Some of

1596
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 8: these data centers are looking at their own power that's

1597
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 8: kind of not on the grid, maybe loosely connected to

1598
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 8: the grid. All these things are moving very quickly, you know.

1599
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 8: One of the things I do I am a little

1600
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 8: concerned about. We have a lot of federal leadership in

1601
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:05,439
Speaker 8: this area. We have a lot of state leadership in

1602
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:10,600
Speaker 8: Ohio and other states on data centers, but that conversation

1603
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 8: at the local level about what the benefits are, the

1604
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 8: tax benefits, the long term job implications, what it means

1605
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 8: to the United States, all those things.

1606
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 6: I think.

1607
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 8: I think industry and governments and policymakers could probably do

1608
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 8: a better job of explaining some of this to local

1609
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 8: communities and let them know what the benefits are for them.

1610
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,320
Speaker 8: And so that's something that needs to occur, needs to

1611
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 8: occur quickly. Everyone kind of needs to get on the

1612
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 8: same page because we don't have a choice. We really

1613
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 8: don't as a nation, we do not have a choice.

1614
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 8: We absolutely have to expand our power generation and our

1615
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 8: infrastructure in order to get that power where it needs

1616
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,520
Speaker 8: to be, or days like today and yesterday and tomorrow

1617
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 8: might not be as good stories next time through as

1618
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 8: they were hopefully as times well.

1619
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 1: Additionally, where it's really hitting is at our wallets. You know,

1620
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 1: weren't a really bad cold snap again here in our

1621
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: area as we speak right now with all the snow

1622
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 1: behind us. Now we get bitterly cold temperatures way till

1623
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: that Duke bill comes, will that energy bill comes, people

1624
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 1: lose their minds because it is so high and rightly so,

1625
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: that is all because of what we're talking about here.

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01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 6: Absolutely right, absolutely right.

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01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 8: Affordability, energy affordability and reliability, which to really talking about

1628
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 8: both of them, and we're what we've actually seen, Scott,

1629
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 8: is that there's a big difference between you know, I

1630
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,640
Speaker 8: hate to put politics on this, but there's a big

1631
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 8: difference between how the Red states and the Blue states

1632
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 8: have handled their energy policy over the last you know,

1633
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 8: ten to fifteen years and on. By and large, we're

1634
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 8: seeing Blue states California and New York, Massachusetts, Illinois are

1635
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 8: paying more for energy than Red states Ohio, Texas, and others.

1636
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 8: Those states that have adopted a kind of balance all

1637
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 8: the above approach, making sure that we're cheaping up as

1638
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:58,719
Speaker 8: best we can with grid expansion and natural gas pipeline expansion,

1639
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 8: things like that, those states are seeing their customers paying

1640
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 8: left for energy than some of those.

1641
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 6: Big blue states that have adopted kind.

1642
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 8: Of you know, draconian mandate restrictions ban certain forms of energy,

1643
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 8: you know, kind of picked winners and losers. Uh, those

1644
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,680
Speaker 8: states are finding that their energy is more expensive. So

1645
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 8: that's a that's an interesting development we're seeing. And we're

1646
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 8: also seeing some of those blue states start to correct

1647
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 8: their uh, their their their their pathways here a little

1648
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 8: bit and add natural gas back to mix and make

1649
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 8: sure they have enough.

1650
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 2: Well, it's funny.

1651
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: As much as the Blue skates States scream about diversity,

1652
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: they they don't have it when it comes to energy.

1653
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 8: That's that's correct, and we really need diverse energy is

1654
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 8: really showing itself to be uh, the path.

1655
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 6: Forward for us.

1656
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 3: All.

1657
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever works for you. On that note too, This

1658
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: always is a head scratcher to me. Is everywhere else

1659
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,719
Speaker 1: in the United States. You know, it's electric, it's natural gas.

1660
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: New England is still i think dependent on like a

1661
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: third of them still oil fire jit power generating people

1662
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 1: like still doing heating oil. What is it about the

1663
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: Northeast and heating oil?

1664
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 8: You know, it's it's just kind of a vestiage of

1665
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 8: a day gone by. I mean there's a lot of

1666
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 8: those heating oil tanks that are still attached to homes

1667
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 8: all over the Northeast that that you know, they go

1668
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 8: and they fill up their their big tank with heating

1669
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 8: oil once a month or once a quarter.

1670
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 6: Uh. And that's that's the system.

1671
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 8: Like, I think it's a old less than a third

1672
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 8: now it is declining as new homes are being built,

1673
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 8: but some of those older homes are still using that

1674
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:31,679
Speaker 8: heating oil.

1675
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 6: Yes, sir.

1676
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because the house at my son and

1677
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 1: my daughter now rents, and initially when we bought it,

1678
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 1: this is where my workshop is, about a mile from

1679
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 1: my house. It's all good, but it had heating oil. Like,

1680
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: oh okay, we'll give this guts kind of whole school

1681
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: at the tank in the basement, had that bad boy

1682
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: filled up one winner and said nope, we're I'm gonna go.

1683
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 1: There's no natural gas there, but we're gonna use electric

1684
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: because it's even electric as expensive is is still cheaper

1685
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 1: than heating oil.

1686
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 6: I think that's one of the cases. And you know

1687
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 6: it's yeah, it's it's.

1688
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 8: Harder to move around, it is more expensive to really

1689
01:19:09,439 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 8: hit that pocket look at one time, you know, and

1690
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 8: you want to balance out some of the environmental considerations

1691
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 8: and other things. So it's it's one of those things

1692
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 8: that's slowly, I think, being transitioned out. But you know,

1693
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 8: several million folks still use it.

1694
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 1: I suppose maybe you live somewhere in the rural areas

1695
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: where you don't do that, that'd be the way to go,

1696
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 1: I guess, But you know, most of us are kind

1697
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 1: of on the grid. Right now he's David Hole, President

1698
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: of the Consumer Energy Aligance. With the big storm and

1699
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 1: now the big cold coming, we're talking about the stress

1700
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: on our power good at this point I've mentioned the

1701
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: other guests, maybe yourself. It doesn't seem like we're going

1702
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: to have a I don't know, like a moon shot

1703
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,799
Speaker 1: type of thing like Kennedy did in the nineteen sixties

1704
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: to get a man on the moon, and we're going

1705
01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: to are pushed for, you know, the COVID vaccine right away.

1706
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: We got to get our best minds on things. It

1707
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: seems like we're waiting for some sort of either climate

1708
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: or energy nine to eleven to occur, some sort of

1709
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: major outage catastrophe before we do anything in this country. Well,

1710
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: we solve this problem before it comes to that.

1711
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think the interesting thing is that

1712
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 8: the president and this administration did declare a national energy

1713
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,759
Speaker 8: emergency on day one when they took office. So there's

1714
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 8: already kind of I think a recognition that listen, we

1715
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 8: need this country runs on energy. Let's get at the time,

1716
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 8: we had high inflation, we had a very high gasoline prices,

1717
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 8: we had a higher energy prices. When the president this

1718
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 8: administrations of office. So they've really worked at removing some

1719
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 8: regulatory red tape, getting development going again, starting to get

1720
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:43,759
Speaker 8: the infrastructure situation under control.

1721
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 6: But more needs to be done.

1722
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 8: There's a lot more state authority over this needs to

1723
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 8: stay needed to get serious about it.

1724
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 6: And yes, I.

1725
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,679
Speaker 8: Certainly see a situation where we can find ourselves well

1726
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,600
Speaker 8: behind the curve. We kind of already are scott Yeah,

1727
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 8: but we don't want to get in a situation where

1728
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 8: it's a dire emergency and you have forced brownouts, force

1729
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 8: blackouts and these extreme weather that's just because policy and

1730
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 8: development is not keeping up with the need. And that's

1731
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 8: very much a situation we can find ourselves in if

1732
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 8: our political leadership doesn't just kind of figure out ways

1733
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,560
Speaker 8: to get rid of the red tape, get out of

1734
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 8: the way, let development occur, let energy resources come online,

1735
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 8: making sure that we're able to meet this basic demand,

1736
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:36,600
Speaker 8: which is unprecedented. It's unprecedented in our history. So we

1737
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 8: are we are in a situation where, like you said,

1738
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 8: we need to make sure we're paying attention to this

1739
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 8: and we don't let it become this dire emergency. And

1740
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 8: sometimes this nation, our political leadership seems to function in

1741
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 8: an emergency.

1742
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 6: I certainly hope that doesn't have.

1743
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: A crisis management. But yeah, what are the areas that

1744
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: we went heard in some while? Like California is known

1745
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: for the rolling brownouts because the grid, hey we go,

1746
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna turn your electricity down. Haven't heard that much

1747
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 1: lately about that. Is that because they've changed it, or

1748
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 1: is it simply not news anymore? What's going on there?

1749
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 8: You know, they've done some things to improve their grid.

1750
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 8: They had some situations where they for so called environmental reasons,

1751
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 8: they weren't clear cutting some trees around power lines and

1752
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 8: things like that, so that was creating somep some fires

1753
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 8: with power lines, and that then forced some rolling brownouts

1754
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 8: and blackouts.

1755
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:29,680
Speaker 6: We haven't heard it.

1756
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 8: We certainly, knock on Wood have not heard that situation

1757
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 8: during this storm. But the prospects are real. The strain

1758
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 8: on grids in the Northeast in New York and the Pjam,

1759
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,719
Speaker 8: which is kind of the mid Atlantic Midwest area, parts

1760
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 8: of Ohio, Urcott Handles, Texas. All these grid managers are

1761
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 8: crying for help, crying about the strain on the grid,

1762
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 8: crying about more needs, more needs and limited demand, our

1763
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 8: limited supply and capacity also has an impact on that

1764
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 8: price situation, particularly in some of the states that have

1765
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 8: not been as thoughtful in their interview qualify together.

1766
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, the generation is one thing, but the transmission that's

1767
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: a hard part, right is getting it from point A

1768
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: to point B. You mentioned pipelines, but also utility lines

1769
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 1: for that matter. Overhead underground wires has to do with

1770
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: going across land and eminent domain, which people fight against

1771
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: them like. It takes a long time to do that.

1772
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 1: You know, back in the day you could just string

1773
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: string lines up all over the place, and there's easements

1774
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: of course built in as well. That's also part of

1775
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: the problem too, is getting new networks up and getting

1776
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: new wires in the sky, so to speak.

1777
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,799
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, and what you know, there's there's a pretty

1778
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 8: robust pipeline and transmission line system in this country. I

1779
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 8: think we have about five million miles of pipelines in

1780
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 8: the country just for natural gas alone, non including oil, gasoline, diesel,

1781
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 8: some of the other pipeline. So a lot of these

1782
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 8: areas already have rights of way, and you can expand

1783
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 8: on those current rights away or ad transmission to an

1784
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 8: already existing pipeline right away. So a lot of that is,

1785
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 8: you know, in play. But yet you still have these groups,

1786
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:21,799
Speaker 8: these you know, professional agitators out there that protests energy development,

1787
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,720
Speaker 8: protests kind of any sort of industrial development, and and

1788
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 8: that needs to end the days of the professional protester

1789
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 8: where they're just out creating fear, creating obstacles, creating situations

1790
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 8: where we're going to have limited supply or higher prices.

1791
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 8: We've got to get past that and kind of call

1792
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 8: out these groups for what they are while at the

1793
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 8: same time listening to legitimate concerns of local citizens and communities.

1794
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 6: You know, that's balid.

1795
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,719
Speaker 1: We're doing that now with the AI and data centers.

1796
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 1: Listen to the local community going hey, we're worried about

1797
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: our ground water and running out of water and put

1798
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,120
Speaker 1: natural resources and they stress and strain, and those are

1799
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 1: legitimate if they're going to put it in your community,

1800
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: be for sure. But we all demand these things. I

1801
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 1: guess that's the NIMBI part.

1802
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 3: Uh.

1803
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 1: But it's kind of funny the environmental protesters, as you

1804
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: mentioned out there, they're grandparents are the ones who fought

1805
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: against nuclear and now these people, now this generation is

1806
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: saying what about nuclear. It's well, you know what, let's

1807
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: quit fighting on's lean into this stuff?

1808
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 6: Shall we exactly?

1809
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 7: You know?

1810
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,919
Speaker 8: The funny thing is it's not your grandfather's nuclear industry

1811
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:27,799
Speaker 8: or either it's it's very different. These things called small

1812
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 8: modular actors. It's part of a whole advanced technology, uh

1813
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 8: nuclear industry. That's that's that that doesn't really create any weight.

1814
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:38,719
Speaker 3: Uh.

1815
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 8: If they're they're they're modular, they're smaller. You can stack

1816
01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 8: them next to each other to kind of build out

1817
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:45,560
Speaker 8: more capacity.

1818
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:46,280
Speaker 6: UH.

1819
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:50,839
Speaker 8: Really interesting fascinating technology now and a lot.

1820
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 6: Of states, a lot of local communities.

1821
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 8: You're looking at it, you know, and it's clean, it's

1822
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 8: always available, what to build it out, uh.

1823
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 6: To be around for a long time.

1824
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 8: It's one of those things that we're we're gonna need

1825
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 8: because it's a dispatchable base load power like natural gas,

1826
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 8: so it's not intermittent like wind and solar. Wind and

1827
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 8: so over have good application pticularly solar, but you've got

1828
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 8: to have that baseload power, which is going to come

1829
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:17,440
Speaker 8: largely from natural gas and pretty soon here nuclear.

1830
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 1: And one hundred years will go on Amazon and buy

1831
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: a shoebox size and a replacement cartridge for your whole

1832
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: home power. You'll swap out the other one, send it

1833
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: in and it'll be in its own little million nuclear

1834
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 1: plant inside your own home, or at least in your

1835
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 1: own community. It seems like it's going to go and

1836
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: should go that way.

1837
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 8: We're heading the days of the flex capacitor. Capacitor, absolutely capacitor.

1838
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 1: If you get a doloreate, you get a Dolorian, and

1839
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: you get a doloren. He is David Holds, Consumer Energy Aligned.

1840
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: Thanks again, always appreciate the insight.

1841
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 2: Be well.

1842
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 6: Got YouTube they say, stay warm, talk soon.

1843
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: All right, there you go, David, thanks again, appreciate it.

1844
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 1: Let me get a news update in here momentarily on

1845
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 1: seven hundred WW whin or return James Repeat is here.

1846
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 1: We'll talk little championship weekend action. The Super bo Bowl

1847
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,679
Speaker 1: matchup is set. The second game was very very exciting

1848
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 1: first get me somewhat exciting as well despite the you know,

1849
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,080
Speaker 1: the weather moving in too as well. But it is

1850
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 1: New England at Seattle and Rapine from Bengals Talk dot com.

1851
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that matchup next seven hundred.

1852
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 2: W WELW.

1853
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:21,719
Speaker 1: And of course digging out as we speak. And yesterday

1854
01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: was a great day with the big store moving in

1855
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: to watch some flip. That was a perfect day yesterday,

1856
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:28,759
Speaker 1: No excuse to go outside, you know, get you a bullet,

1857
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: ships or whatever.

1858
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 2: Your jam is.

1859
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 1: Made some sauce yesterday Littlefi's macaroni perfect and watched the

1860
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 1: two games. And now we're down to the Super bowls

1861
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 1: New England and Seattle. James Rapeena is here from SI

1862
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 1: Bengals Talk and Locked on Bengals Podcast. Bengals not in

1863
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, but there's hope for next year. We

1864
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: shall see. It's New England and its Seattle. James, welcome,

1865
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: hy Ben.

1866
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:53,679
Speaker 6: I'd been great.

1867
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 15: It's got a little snowed in, but you're right, yesterday

1868
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 15: it was a great day for football.

1869
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no excuse to guy like what I'm gonna do?

1870
01:27:59,880 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 1: I I said around watch football. Damn I hate my life. Yeah,

1871
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 1: it was awesome. It was absolutely awesome. And you know,

1872
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: between bouts and shoveling, Yeah.

1873
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:10,719
Speaker 15: I want some more games today.

1874
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 5: The way you're.

1875
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 1: Saying, I know, I know, it's like there's something to watch.

1876
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 1: This is this is wonderful. It's nirvana. Let's jump into

1877
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: that first game there. New England beats Denver on the

1878
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:23,839
Speaker 1: road ten to seven in what turned into a blizzard

1879
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. I've never seen that much snow

1880
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 1: come down that quickly in an NFL game.

1881
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 15: I can't believe how quickly did that changed. And I

1882
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:38,719
Speaker 15: tweeted something in the second quarter and and mentioned, man,

1883
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,320
Speaker 15: why is it colder in Cincinnati? And why did it

1884
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,800
Speaker 15: feel and look colder in Cincinnati than it doesn't in Colorado? Yep,

1885
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 15: like this shouldn't be the case, right, And then by

1886
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 15: the fourth quarter, it's like the winter gods saw my

1887
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 15: tweet and said, oh, you think it's colder there, and

1888
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 15: snow started coming down.

1889
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 5: Now.

1890
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 15: I thought it was a really cool way for the game.

1891
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 15: Go of all, think that might have been the most

1892
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 15: interesting thing about the game. No one scored essentially in

1893
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,560
Speaker 15: the entire second half. It was pretty boring from a

1894
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 15: scoring perspective, but entertaining, no doubt.

1895
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and two teams that are used to dealing with

1896
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: the snow, especially in New England, they thought right at

1897
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,559
Speaker 1: home in this whole thing. And yeah, the weather did

1898
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,759
Speaker 1: change things. The kicking game, for example, really really changed

1899
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 1: the outcome of this whole thing. But you look at

1900
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 1: the New England Patriots managing just four first downs, and

1901
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: I think seventy two yards. In the first half, they've

1902
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 1: kept punning, they missed the field goal, it was off.

1903
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 1: He thought, man, they're going to get trucked by Denver

1904
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: and that did not happen. What happened in the second half.

1905
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:35,559
Speaker 1: How did the Patriots turn it around?

1906
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1907
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 15: I think a big thing that has sort of gone

1908
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 15: into the radar. I guess with New England and might

1909
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 15: going into Super Bowl sixty, their defense is real and

1910
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 15: that's where it starts. I mean, they can win these

1911
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 15: smash mout ugly games and if that's how they have

1912
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 15: to play, they can play it. And a guy that's

1913
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 15: looking back at previous Bengals drafts will be would look

1914
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 15: really good in stripes. And instead the Bengals traded down

1915
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 15: with the Patriots in twenty twenty one when Christian Barmore

1916
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,200
Speaker 15: was on the board in the second round. But he's

1917
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 15: a really good defensive tackle, and I think that day

1918
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:17,560
Speaker 15: is they're like, Okay, well this is going to be

1919
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:21,360
Speaker 15: an ugly game. The weather's change, and what we need

1920
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 15: to do is take care of the football with our

1921
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:27,719
Speaker 15: young quarterback and we'll win ugly. And I do wonder

1922
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 15: what it would have looked like if bo Nicks were

1923
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 15: able to play for Denver. But this Patriots defense, now

1924
01:30:34,640 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 15: for two weeks in a row, has done its job,

1925
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:40,920
Speaker 15: and what it's done is then allowed or allowed as

1926
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 15: Drake May to play as these things as you can

1927
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:48,280
Speaker 15: when you're on the road and you're trying to squeak

1928
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 15: out a victory and they only put up ten points,

1929
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 15: but it was enough, and I think the de defense

1930
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 15: deserves a ton of credit.

1931
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and May what eighty six yards passing and that

1932
01:30:56,240 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 1: that weather, but sixty eight yards rushing that touchdown? You

1933
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 1: see that we were in that seven uh about seven

1934
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: yards when he needed five first down and they sealed

1935
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: the game at that point too. He won that game

1936
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: on his legs was all it was. As much the passing,

1937
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: it was him running well.

1938
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 15: And that's it is when I mentioned the decision making,

1939
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 15: he's making really good decisions and not forcing it and

1940
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 15: not feeling like he needed to put on the superhero cape.

1941
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:23,439
Speaker 15: And the reason he felt that way, I think it's

1942
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 15: just how this team is built and how they they're

1943
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 15: they're able to play, and that's that's the heck of

1944
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 15: the thing for a young quarterback, because he is capable

1945
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:34,280
Speaker 15: and we've seen it. I think he's going to be

1946
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 15: second in m VP. Maybe he wins it, but he

1947
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 15: is capable of winning these shootouts and putting up huge

1948
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 15: points in numbers and back and forth games. It wasn't

1949
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 15: that wasn't to be that type of game, and so

1950
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,679
Speaker 15: they play the other way and they're capable of winning

1951
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 15: that way as well. But you're right, he made some

1952
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 15: good decisions, some big first downs that he puts up

1953
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 15: down the sheds to feel the victory.

1954
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1955
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 1: Boenix breaks his ankle in the last game against the Bills,

1956
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: gonna last play. They put Jared Stidham in at quarterback

1957
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 1: and they were building him to say, no, he's our guy.

1958
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 1: He's going to be great. He's going to be great.

1959
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 1: He's the future. He's going to be great. Looked really,

1960
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 1: really good. I think he started oh for three, but

1961
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: then that past the Mims fifty two year bomb down

1962
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: the middle, he hits Courtland Sutland on the score, Denver's up.

1963
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 1: The New England Pagers look into fishing like wow, the

1964
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 1: backup may go and wind up playing in a super

1965
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: Bowl at this point not to be, because he had

1966
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 1: that backwards pass and a turnover, laid eye and tea

1967
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: and this is why you're the backup. And it's also

1968
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 1: you know, again, he may be great at some point

1969
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 1: in the future, but you just can't throw a guy

1970
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: in with no reps in the season and expect him

1971
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,720
Speaker 1: to beat a team that's fighting for Super Bowl birth.

1972
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think. I also think yesterday is why Sean

1973
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 15: Payton has struggled in the playoffs. Yeah, and that's what

1974
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:50,679
Speaker 15: he that's what he's done.

1975
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:51,639
Speaker 5: Like this idea.

1976
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 15: There are a lot of people today and you're didn't

1977
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:57,280
Speaker 15: ask me about the Steelers, okay, that are laughing at

1978
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 15: Mike McCarthy in that fience. Mike McCarthy's been just as

1979
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:03,799
Speaker 15: good as the playoffs as John Payton likes. This idea

1980
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 15: that Sean Payton, who they had a chance to go

1981
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 15: up ten nothing, they don't kick the field goal. There

1982
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 15: felt like a mistake in the moment. It felt like

1983
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 15: they were kind of scratching and calling to get down

1984
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 15: the field where you get a two yard scramble and

1985
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:21,120
Speaker 15: then a quick outpass and it's third down. You don't

1986
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,680
Speaker 15: get it because your quarterback comes up short take the

1987
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 15: points and he didn't take the point. And I think

1988
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 15: that's where the momentum of that game changed. If it

1989
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:30,680
Speaker 15: was ten to nothing at that point, it would have

1990
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 15: felt a bit different than that New England defense that

1991
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 15: I mentioned made a few plays and it was like,

1992
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 15: all right, well, where's our offense going to come from?

1993
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 15: And I know they had the missfield goal in the

1994
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,640
Speaker 15: fourth quarter. I get that, by the way, whether it

1995
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 15: was an issue, but it doesn't matter. I think winning

1996
01:33:47,080 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 15: coaches make winning decisions. And maybe Sean Payton needs to

1997
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:53,800
Speaker 15: look in the mirror a little bit because I was

1998
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 15: just thinking back through his Saints days and he had

1999
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 15: a lot of heartbreaking playoff losses and they were in

2000
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 15: position yesterday to beat New England with Jarret Sidham, and

2001
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,959
Speaker 15: I think the head coach needed to be a good better.

2002
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.

2003
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 1: So when New England advances to the Super Bowl to

2004
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: face the Seahawks in the late game, who beat the

2005
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 1: Rams thirty one, twenty seven and third meeting the camp,

2006
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: it's been it's been at that season, right, third time

2007
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:21,680
Speaker 1: they met this season and Rams felt Seattle in the

2008
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 1: week sixteen, they lost the number one seed in the NFC.

2009
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 1: They fire their special teams coordinator Sean McVay makes the

2010
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,720
Speaker 1: movie says well, you know what, We've got to fix

2011
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:31,759
Speaker 1: this problem. We need to fix it right now heading

2012
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:35,120
Speaker 1: into the playoffs. But of course yesterday it was Xavier

2013
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,320
Speaker 1: Smith's muff punt early in the third quarter led to

2014
01:34:37,320 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 1: that Seahawks touchdown. They went up twenty four to thirteen,

2015
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 1: I believe at that point and never looked back. So

2016
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: it did come down with special teams after all.

2017
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, it did.

2018
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 15: And that's it's wild to me that we keep having

2019
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:58,600
Speaker 15: these conversations with about the Rams and man for me,

2020
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 15: from my money to envy quarterback in Matt Stafford, Yvanta Adams,

2021
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:07,679
Speaker 15: Kuka Nukua, Kobe Parkinson making plays, multiple running backs making

2022
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:10,599
Speaker 15: plays on defense. This isn't the Bengals now on defense,

2023
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 15: they got some playmakers and so for them, it's been

2024
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 15: special teams all year and for that to be the

2025
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 15: case again, it's just that's a brutal way to lose.

2026
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:26,040
Speaker 15: At the same time, I think the Seattle Seahawks deserves

2027
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 15: so much credit because they they're winning with playmakers on defense.

2028
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,799
Speaker 15: They have a lot of fun, explosive players on offense

2029
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 15: led by Jackson Smith and Jigba and yeah, I just

2030
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 15: two really fun teams. And now what's interesting to me

2031
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 15: it can Sam Darnold be the first quarterback from that

2032
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:51,200
Speaker 15: twenty eighteen class of quarterbacks in that draft to win

2033
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 15: a Super Bowl.

2034
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:53,679
Speaker 6: No one would have thought that a few years.

2035
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:56,280
Speaker 15: Ago, and he's sixteen minutes away from doing it, which

2036
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 15: is just wild. It is it's a lot of the seton.

2037
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is incredible.

2038
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:04,320
Speaker 1: And it looked like, you know, Matthew Stafford, he was

2039
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 1: just running the first half and they I again, tall

2040
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:09,519
Speaker 1: the two halves, right. It was just it was that, well,

2041
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 1: he's picking up part. I mean, the energy was so

2042
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 1: much much better. But eventually the Seahawks top ranked scoring defense,

2043
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:17,519
Speaker 1: top the Rams. They did that on what fourth and

2044
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:19,800
Speaker 1: goal from the six yard line with about five minutes left.

2045
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 1: Witherspoon broke up that pass and Stafford passed in the

2046
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:25,560
Speaker 1: end zone and sealed the game for the Seahawks. You know,

2047
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 1: we always talk about, well, you know, it's a different

2048
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 1: NFL today, James. It's you know, defense doesn't win championships.

2049
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 1: I don't know New England and Seattle looks like their

2050
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:34,440
Speaker 1: defense won championships.

2051
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:39,560
Speaker 15: You need your defense to be able to make plays,

2052
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 15: you know. In Seattle, I mean they gave up twenty

2053
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 15: seven points. It's not like they were perfect, but nicking

2054
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 15: and worry. You saw him that rookie Stacy is all

2055
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 15: over the field making plays and in that series is

2056
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 15: your right. You need guys that are going to be

2057
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:57,680
Speaker 15: able to make plays in critical, critical situations, because that's

2058
01:36:57,720 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 15: what these games come down to. And if you think

2059
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 15: about it a few years ago during the Bengals run,

2060
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 15: that's what happened. Jesseic Bates made a play. Logan Wilson

2061
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:07,120
Speaker 15: made a play, Jermaine Pratt made a play like that,

2062
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:09,720
Speaker 15: That's what it comes down to. Larry Ogan Jovi made

2063
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 15: a play like These are the games where it comes

2064
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:15,559
Speaker 15: down to one thing here, one thing there, and it's

2065
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 15: the difference between winning and losing. And these are two

2066
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 15: really good teams with good, good, well rounded rosters. That's

2067
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 15: how I would describe it. Because I look at the

2068
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:29,599
Speaker 15: Patriots and they don't have the most firepower, but they

2069
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:32,800
Speaker 15: have weapons. The Seahawks have a ton of firepower. I

2070
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:35,200
Speaker 15: would say Tennis Walker, Jack and Smith and Jigwa, they

2071
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 15: cherry per Rashid Shaheed like, they have a lot of

2072
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 15: fun weapons. But both defenses are are about that. That

2073
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 15: play style as well and they can win with defense,

2074
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 15: which is certainly something the Bengals can't pay in recent seasons.

2075
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 1: It will come back to the It won't come back

2076
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 1: to the Bengals. In just a second here, I'll close that,

2077
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 1: but I you look at you, guys. Matthew Stafford had

2078
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:03,160
Speaker 1: an unbelievable game yesterday. Sam Donald even much better than that.

2079
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 1: But the other guy out there that was almost the

2080
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:09,599
Speaker 1: single handed undoing of the Seahawks was Pooking Akua, second

2081
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: leading receiver during the regular season, one hundred and sixty

2082
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: five yards in a touchdown yesterday, and Seattle had a really,

2083
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:19,080
Speaker 1: really hard time stopping him when it mattered. It seemed

2084
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: like every big play he was a guy catching that

2085
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:22,480
Speaker 1: touchdown was unbelievable.

2086
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 2: Does does anyone to have a guy? I don't think

2087
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:25,680
Speaker 2: they do.

2088
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:27,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he got Steph Diggs, you got Booty, you

2089
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 1: got Mac Collins. I don't see that level of player

2090
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 1: on New England. I think they have a much easier

2091
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 1: time with the Patriots than they did LA. Would you agree,

2092
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:38,440
Speaker 1: at least when it comes to receiver.

2093
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 15: Well, for sure.

2094
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 6: Yeah.

2095
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:44,919
Speaker 15: With receiving talent, I mean Jackson Smith and jiglits so awesome.

2096
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:47,960
Speaker 15: I mean, he's just he's one of the best in

2097
01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 15: the game. And by way, so it was pooking Nakua

2098
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:53,719
Speaker 15: because you got to deal with him as a blocker.

2099
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 15: He's Pookakua is like Jackson Smith and jiggu in a

2100
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:59,959
Speaker 15: lot of ways, and Mac Collins. He blocked like Mac Collins,

2101
01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 15: but he could run out and make plays like Jackson's

2102
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 15: a Jigits a really unique combo for Puka and so yeah,

2103
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 15: I think from a skill talent standpoint, the edge would

2104
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:12,559
Speaker 15: have gone to the Rams. And if you're Seattle, you're

2105
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:15,719
Speaker 15: gonna look at that day all that's interesting. Now what's

2106
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 15: unique here is Drake May and his ability to make

2107
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 15: plays and his offensive coordinator in Josh Daniel. He's been there,

2108
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 15: done that with Tom Brady and so he's gonna have

2109
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:34,160
Speaker 15: Drake May ready to go. And yes, overall though on paper,

2110
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:36,679
Speaker 15: outside of probably Hunter Henry, I think he's an underrated

2111
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 15: tight end that the skill guys, you would give the

2112
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:43,080
Speaker 15: edge to the Rams, which means what it means that

2113
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:44,759
Speaker 15: New England's going to have to win in other ways

2114
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,040
Speaker 15: and including the trenches and their offensive line has gotten

2115
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,879
Speaker 15: beat up a little bit really since playing the Bengals

2116
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 15: in November, and so we'll see if if the two

2117
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 15: week break helps them against a really good in talent

2118
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:58,680
Speaker 15: in Seattle defense.

2119
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 2: Well, I just don't see Seattle doesn't win this thing.

2120
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 2: I really don't. At this point.

2121
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:04,800
Speaker 1: Things could change the next couple of weeks. And of

2122
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,519
Speaker 1: course he got Mike Vrabel has two weeks to strategize here.

2123
01:40:07,560 --> 01:40:12,720
Speaker 1: But man, Seattle just comes at you.

2124
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 15: And the key would be Sam that you get after

2125
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 15: Sam Donald, you rattle head for him to not be

2126
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 15: able to dump it off to Kenneth Walker for eleven

2127
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:25,440
Speaker 15: yards right on first and ten, like the key moment yesterday.

2128
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 15: The Rams they fail on that fourth down and Kenneth

2129
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 15: Walker breaks two tackles, makes those linebackers look like they're

2130
01:40:31,080 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 15: running in Cincinnati snow. And you get the first down

2131
01:40:35,080 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 15: like that. That can't be your drive starter. And so

2132
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 15: that's what I would say is take away some of

2133
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:42,559
Speaker 15: these easy answers, easy throws that Sam Donald has easier

2134
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 15: said than done. But him do that, then maybe maybe

2135
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 15: he gives you an opportunity or two for big turnovers.

2136
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 1: If you're the Bengals, James, real quick, what are you

2137
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 1: looking at? What these the two teams that just played

2138
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:54,759
Speaker 1: this particularly in the AFC.

2139
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 2: I guess because that's our path.

2140
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 1: You look at New England, you look at Denver, or

2141
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:01,880
Speaker 1: what do the Bengals need to look?

2142
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 2: Okay, that's the future.

2143
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:05,760
Speaker 1: How do we take what they're doing and move it

2144
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:07,800
Speaker 1: up a level for next season because they're always leveling

2145
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:08,719
Speaker 1: up season season.

2146
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:10,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, well.

2147
01:41:12,040 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 15: You certainly need Like when you think of the Bengals defense,

2148
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,919
Speaker 15: what do you think of, Like, it's either it's probably

2149
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 15: not good.

2150
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:22,679
Speaker 2: Awful is what I think of, just awful the worst.

2151
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 15: And you don't think of like individual players, like any

2152
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:29,720
Speaker 15: of the defenses that played yesterday, they are a specific

2153
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 15: guy that I think of like, oh, if they play well,

2154
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:34,800
Speaker 15: this guy's going to be making plays or that guy's

2155
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 15: going to be making plays. And the Bengals they don't

2156
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 15: necessarily have that. But I think the first thing is

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Speaker 15: you got to find an identity, find someone that you

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Speaker 15: could build around. And maybe that's a safety, maybe it's

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Speaker 15: a linebacker. Ideally it would be a pass rusher. I

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Speaker 15: think that's hard to find, but that's what they need,

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Speaker 15: is to find a defensive identity and once you get

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Speaker 15: one or two playmakers that you can start to build

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Speaker 15: around then it does come together, right, and it's it's

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Speaker 15: hard to do that at one specific position if you're

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Speaker 15: just targeting one. The good news is, to be quite

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Speaker 15: Frank Scott, if they suck everywhere, so they can take

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Speaker 15: that playmaker at any spot. Safety, linebacker doesn't matter, right,

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Speaker 15: So that would.

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Speaker 14: Be my boo.

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Speaker 6: The Bengals just find that playmaker.

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Speaker 1: Seems like a long way to go to get where

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Speaker 1: those two teams are, but who knows. James Rapine always

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Speaker 1: been a fun my brand. I appreciate you. Let's talk.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll talk about the Friday before the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 15: That sounds great to me. I what's a tougher task

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Speaker 15: rebuilding the Bengals defense or shoveling the drive.

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Speaker 1: Shoveling the driveway. Shoveling the driveway right now? Is yeah,

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Speaker 1: get some players over to your house and Cam the

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Speaker 1: way he drives, Cam Taylor Brick could probably be that

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Speaker 1: about four minutes, no comment. Check out James over Lockdown,

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Speaker 1: Bengals and Bengals Talk dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your brother, be well.

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