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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from WOR. Here's Larry Mente with

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Speaker 1: more of the WOR Saturday Morning Show. Hospitals are recording

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Speaker 1: a record number of debts among children and the main

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Speaker 1: reason is parents aren't getting their kids vaccinated. Let's talk

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Speaker 1: about it with doctor Arthur Kaplan, professor of bioethics at

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Speaker 1: New York University Land Gone Medical Center. Is this because

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Speaker 1: of that whole anti vaccine thing?

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Speaker 2: It is? It's one hundred percent due to that. I

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Speaker 2: know we've heard that measles are rampant in South Carolina,

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Speaker 2: in Oklahoma, some other states. It's already been tied to

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Speaker 2: dropping vaccine rates. Whooping cough is back, which is preventable

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Speaker 2: by vaccines and flu. I think is a part of that.

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Speaker 2: People are just you know, not getting shots. People tend

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Speaker 2: to think of the flu as a bed illness, but

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Speaker 2: you get through it. But for a young child, or

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Speaker 2: for that matter, an older person, a very old person,

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Speaker 2: say plus seventy, it can be and is lethal, so

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Speaker 2: you do want to try and get the shot.

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Speaker 1: And this year especially, I heard that there is a

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Speaker 1: strain of the flu that has just come to the

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Speaker 1: United States. It was overseas at first, and it's a

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Speaker 1: really severe formula flu that happened after they already put

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Speaker 1: the vaccine together, and.

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Speaker 2: The vaccine doesn't exactly target that, but I'll tell you this,

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Speaker 2: it shifts you from being in the ICU to being

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Speaker 2: at home and feeling horrible for three or four days.

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Speaker 2: In other words, you do get some benefit, even though

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Speaker 2: it won't necessarily prevent you from getting that flu strain,

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Speaker 2: but it makes it less lethal. So you got to

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Speaker 2: do it.

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Speaker 1: It's such an easy thing to do now too. They

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Speaker 1: have the flu shot everywhere and they're giving it out

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Speaker 1: for free at some pharmacies. So yeah, just take the

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Speaker 1: time to get your flu shot. Here's another big story

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Speaker 1: in the news right now. New York is set to

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Speaker 1: legalize medically assisted suicide and they right in there with guardrails.

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Speaker 1: What are the guard rail?

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Speaker 2: So I favored this. Twelve states have done it. Illinois

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Speaker 2: did it last week, but it's been in place in

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Speaker 2: Oregon and Washington since the late nineties. No abuses, Nobody

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Speaker 2: has been rushed off to death. But the checks and

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Speaker 2: balances of the You have to have two doctors confirmed

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Speaker 2: that you're terminally ill. It's only for people who are

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Speaker 2: terminally ill six months to live. They are the only

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Speaker 2: ones who had have access. You've got to be seen

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Speaker 2: by a psychologist, psychiatrist to make sure you're competent, that

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Speaker 2: you're exercising a free choice. And there's another guard rail,

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Speaker 2: which is you really have to wait. So you ask

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Speaker 2: for the medicine that you're going to use to end

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Speaker 2: your life, but then you wait five days and they

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Speaker 2: come back and say, do you really want to do this?

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Speaker 2: So I think the safeguards are good. We got to

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Speaker 2: keep in mind it's just for the people who are dying.

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Speaker 2: Only people in New York State can do it. Gives

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Speaker 2: a choice, you don't have to do it. But there

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Speaker 2: are people who say, by dying is so awful, I

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Speaker 2: want to end it.

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Speaker 1: And I would imagine because of what we're talking about,

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Speaker 1: and especially because of the guard rails, we're not talking

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Speaker 1: about that many people are we.

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Speaker 2: No, it'sly termally ill people. It's very restricted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a really fascinating story and I don't

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Speaker 1: understand it completely. Despite laws against it, cosmetic surgeons are

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Speaker 1: banning negative reviews. How can they possibly do that in

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Speaker 1: this day and age.

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Speaker 2: Before you even start, they make you sign a non

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Speaker 2: disclosure agreement, so they say, you want to be my patient,

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Speaker 2: you have to sign this, and you have to promise

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Speaker 2: you're not going to post anything negative about my treatment online.

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Speaker 2: You know what? That is illegal? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine that I would be running out of

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Speaker 1: that office.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a red flag. That's a big red flag.

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Speaker 2: So they're very nervously get one bad review. I guess

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Speaker 2: in southern California, you know, surgeons to the stars, and

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Speaker 2: it damages them. But you can't do that. You can't

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Speaker 2: control free speech or your right to post an evaluation.

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Speaker 2: What the doctor should be doing is writing a respect aunts,

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Speaker 2: not saying you can't do it right.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that they put that in front of

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Speaker 1: you in the beginning is doesn't that scream I might

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Speaker 1: see ye, don't tell anybody.

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Speaker 2: It's a trouble, trouble coming here before a ward. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would be with Natalie right out of the office. Boom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's really strange. Hospitals cater to transplant tourists, US

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Speaker 1: patients waiting for organs will do anything to find it,

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Speaker 1: and so they travel from state to say is that

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Speaker 1: what this is about?

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Speaker 2: They're foreigners coming here, rich people getting in line with

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Speaker 2: the rest of US. And they're getting priority in some

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Speaker 2: cases over American citizens. I'm gonna tell you this also

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Speaker 2: is illegal. We were not supposed to see big numbers

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Speaker 2: of foreigners coming here as part of the government run

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Speaker 2: distribution system. And this New York Times story has review

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Speaker 2: old traffic, if you will, from the Middle East, Japan,

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Speaker 2: and these are rich people are just buying their way in.

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Speaker 2: So that's got to be fixed.

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Speaker 1: Now are they doing it off the books? Is that

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Speaker 1: how they get away with us?

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Speaker 2: They do not. It's above born. I don't know why

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Speaker 2: this hasn't come out a long time ago. There are

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Speaker 2: rumors of it, but no, because you've got to put

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Speaker 2: the person in the system. So we know that. You know,

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Speaker 2: mister X from Japan, who's very rich, is listed in

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Speaker 2: the system against Larry and Art and he got the organs.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be tracked, so people had to know.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible. Well, I'm sure that I hope that

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Speaker 1: there's going to be a legislation against that. Doctor Arthur Kaplan,

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Speaker 1: professor of bioethics at New York University Land Gone Medical Center.

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Speaker 1: This has been a podcast from Woor