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Speaker 1: Jay Ratliffe. Of course we had Adam Kaylro on citizen journalism.

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Speaker 1: He's doing to power you summer next week. On that subject.

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Speaker 1: Last night, John Kurzy with Jesse Owens, fascinating conversation. As

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Speaker 1: I learned a lot about Jesse Owens for a short

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Speaker 1: period of time in that yesterday. So hope you got

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Speaker 1: to check that power are you seminar out Congressman Warren

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Speaker 1: Davidson as well yesterday that's a fifty five carocy dot

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Speaker 1: Show Friday. What does that mean? Right? Tech Friday with

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Speaker 1: Dave Hatter are expert from intrust it very important segment

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Speaker 1: and today we're going to learn about how Wi Fi

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Speaker 1: signals can map your body through walls. Great, and do

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Speaker 1: you trust AI bought diagnosing your health problems? You know

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Speaker 1: my initial reaction to this, Yeah, do you trust the

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Speaker 1: be able to identify with specificity and clarity the way I,

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Speaker 1: for example, a computer might do when reviewing a CT

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Speaker 1: We're going to dive into that with Dave. Finally, Oh,

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Speaker 1: this is interesting. A watchdog group is claiming video games

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Speaker 1: video game manufacturers rather deliberately or degrading the consoles that

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Speaker 1: to this watchdog report, manufacturers can alter those devices remotely

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Speaker 1: after you buy them through software updates. One of the

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Speaker 1: things that was quoted here companies can degrade the functionality

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Speaker 1: game control systems. Apparently the same thing's going on. So

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Speaker 1: that's nefarious, but I guess it also is a confirmation

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Speaker 1: of a point Dave Hatter makes every single Friday, practically

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Speaker 1: every Friday, those Internet of things devices are not always

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Speaker 1: what they're cracked up to be. Signal ninety nine, I

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Speaker 1: hope you know who Signal ninety nine is the woman

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Speaker 1: I like to refer to the collective actions of most

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Speaker 1: most everybody in city government related to some form of shenanigans.

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Speaker 1: And that's not a good comp that's not a compliment

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Speaker 1: today federal hearing regarding fire Chief Washington. Yeah, that's still

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Speaker 1: So we worked with the federal government, we shared data,

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Speaker 1: and Signal ninety nine is going to going through all this.

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Speaker 1: We were an award winning representation of what everybody needs

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Speaker 1: to do in America. And what happened to the current administration.

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Speaker 1: You had the elimination or removal of Plea Chief Fiji

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Speaker 1: as a drastic and targeted shift and how the shift

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Speaker 1: the system operates not incidental, deliberate, getting with command staff

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Speaker 1: CGIC for no legitimate operational reason. Why would they do that? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's why we get Signal ninety nine. I'm also very

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Speaker 1: Navy Seal Playbook. He's an endurance athlete, former member of

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Speaker 1: to the city of Cincinnati. Apparently has found a lot

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Speaker 1: of new money. It was a five to four vote. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And I got to get props to Jeff Kramitting for

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Speaker 1: see what jeffs got, Jeff, thanks for calling this morning.

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday to you.

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Speaker 4: Hey, good morning Brian and the crew.

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Speaker 2: Happy first day of spring.

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Speaker 1: Ah good point. I got to write that down on

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, sir, I.

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Speaker 5: Was gonna ask your opinion up and following this governor

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Speaker 1: In his retirement after he leaves the governor's mansion.

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Speaker 1: I'm finally amen. Yeah, that makes you struggle, Jeff, when

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Speaker 1: to pastor. He's been in the office for like what

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Speaker 1: nine thousand years? He's got more money than God. I

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Speaker 1: like that. Joe, you may be right. Check get up pulling.

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Speaker 1: You're the Internet Research group. We pull up the Magna

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Speaker 1: want to call it limelight? Yeah, a focus of attention

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Speaker 1: is that not a recomplete revelation out loud labeling definitionally

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Speaker 1: DSM five diagnosis of malignant narcissist. I would argue, I'm

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Speaker 1: We get that. And Governor Dathy Huckel saying the quiet

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Speaker 1: About twenty on a Friday, and a happy one to you,

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Speaker 1: and hello and good morning to my friend Steve who

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Speaker 1: is listening live in Germany. That's too cool, Steve. I

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Speaker 1: just I think that's the neatest thing I know. I

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Speaker 1: What's the big deal. We have the internet? You can stream. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'll take you.

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Speaker 7: Sure, I'm sure you. I'm sure you will. And in

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Speaker 7: That that's that's the that's the goal every morning, get

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Speaker 7: I can listen to anyway. Enough of that. What's up

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Speaker 1: What's No, they're upset with the eight million dollars because

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Speaker 1: Why do they need it now? Or they didn't need

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Speaker 7: And we wonder why people like Nancy Pelosi and Mitch

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Speaker 7: And speaking of the power to vote, everybody out there listening,

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Speaker 7: and of course, my advice to you is don't vote Democrat.

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Speaker 7: Have a great weekend, bro.

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Speaker 1: I do the same, Tom and Elroy. Tom's comments reminded

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Speaker 1: just pile on your comment about Republicans being sometimes equally

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Speaker 1: is stupid coming up. I take your phone calls over that.

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Speaker 1: Either way you want to go, say okay with me.

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Speaker 1: It's five point thirty five right now. It is time

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Speaker 1: for me to mention my friends at Cullen Electric Station.

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Speaker 3: Can you play John the Fisherman?

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Speaker 1: It is Friday, It is five thirty nine. The answer

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Speaker 1: what the hell is he talking about? Yeah, it's the

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Speaker 1: Friday Stack is stupid, which always involves naked people. Even

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Speaker 1: when you are in act, you're you're in an active desperation,

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Speaker 1: which Joe Strucker can quite often find themselves on a

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Speaker 1: Friday looking for well, criminal activity involved naked people. I love,

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Speaker 1: I love the depth of the reporting of this story, Joe.

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Speaker 1: Let's start off with the shortest one phrasing, oh you

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Speaker 1: caught me by surprise. Here we go three sentences. Nudeman

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Speaker 1: who police say had a knife, was arrested Wednesday evening

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Speaker 1: in Palm Springs. Police responded about nine thirty in the

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Speaker 1: evening Wednesday to the South Sunriseway and East mess Keith Avenue.

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Speaker 1: According to the Palm Springs Police Department, the suspect was

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Speaker 1: arrested just after a ten pm According to police, that's.

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Speaker 6: It now, who can argue with that?

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Speaker 1: Hey, this one has a little more depth to it.

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Speaker 1: We got one man arrested in a public nudy incident.

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Speaker 1: Boone County called me. A police department was dispatched a

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Speaker 1: Colony Road the shopping area. This after fourteen people were

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Speaker 1: ported a naked guy harassing victims. The suspect, identified as

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Speaker 1: thirty year old Michael Joseph Mueller. One witness reported officers

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Speaker 1: that they'd observed the naked guy flailing his arms and

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Speaker 1: yelling while walking into the area. Two juvenile victims also

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Speaker 1: told the police they were exiting the Crumble Cookies when

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Speaker 1: Mueller allegedly started yelling and ran at them with open arms,

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Speaker 1: court costing. The two ran back inside the store and

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Speaker 1: stayed there until employees forced him to leave. The crazy guy,

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Speaker 1: another witness has said, later Mueller allegedly stood naked on

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Speaker 1: the walk on Sports Bistro parking lot, right in front

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Speaker 1: of the restaurant windows, yelling about religion and God eventually

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Speaker 1: located by sea located by the police department, in order

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Speaker 1: to put his hands behind his back, to which he replied,

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Speaker 1: quote stop in the name of the Lord close quote.

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Speaker 1: Officers claimed he continued to ignore orders and made advance

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Speaker 1: toward the law enforcement officers, and then a taser was deployed,

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Speaker 1: finally taking it to custody without further incident. In charge

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Speaker 1: of first degree harassment, resisting in first degree sexual misconduct.

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Speaker 1: That's it. No reference to any drugs, Joe, but I

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Speaker 1: think you and I can pretty much make book that

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Speaker 1: something was going on in his head. He was booked

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Speaker 1: in the Boon County Jail on ready taking a guess

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Speaker 1: on the bond tree fitty, No, that's wrong. Fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars bond. It would be three to fifty if it

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Speaker 1: was in front of Judge Silberstein here in Hamilton County,

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Speaker 1: that'd be three dollars and fifty cents. Well, yeah, of

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Speaker 1: course you get a cookie, Joe. But in Hamilton County,

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Speaker 1: in addition to own recognizance bond, regardless of how violent

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Speaker 1: your offense was, you get the cookie and a small

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Speaker 1: glass of juice.

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Speaker 5: A's this tradition.

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Speaker 1: We go to Lakewood, New Jersey. Man's been charged with

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Speaker 1: lewdness and shopliftering after walking into a liquor store naked

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Speaker 1: and stealing beer. Court of Lakewood Police the sixty nine

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Speaker 1: year old man, whose name and hometown were not yet released.

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Speaker 1: They said the man was found naked outside a Pine

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Speaker 1: Cone liquor store drinking a twenty five ounce Budweiser. What

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Speaker 1: people still drink Budweiser? Well, naked, crazy people do. Accused

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Speaker 1: of walking into the liquor store, grabbing the beer, and

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Speaker 1: walking out without paying for to corn And police. They

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Speaker 1: approached him. The man began yelling what police said were

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Speaker 1: in their word in the report, alarming statements. Arrested without incident,

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Speaker 1: taking to the police headquarters. Uh getting sent that that

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Speaker 1: again not exactly in depth reporting on naked people this week,

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Speaker 1: and the stack is stupid. Let us see you here. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I may as well just say five point three seven

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Speaker 1: fifty five hundred, eight hundred and eighty two three talk, considering

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Speaker 1: I only have three naked stories left, none of them

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Speaker 1: are likethy, and I got to fill another segment with

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Speaker 1: naked people in the news well, including teachers having sex

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Speaker 1: with students. In this particular case, we'll learn about a

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Speaker 1: teacher U thirteen year old student. What the hell is

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Speaker 1: wrong with people? Again, it's a female teacher having sex

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Speaker 1: with an eighth grader thirteen multiple times. Station five point

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Speaker 1: fifty here think about kersev talks. Station has always looked

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Speaker 1: forward to six thirty with Dave had Ter from interest

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Speaker 1: Ie Tea doing that Tech Friday segment. Fascinating it always is,

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Speaker 1: and of course informative, and Dave's there to keep you

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Speaker 1: out of trouble, which she normally does as long as

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Speaker 1: he heat is Advice Signal ninety nine a full hour

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Speaker 1: she's gonna be on the phone talking about a federal

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Speaker 1: hearing regarding Fire Chief Washington. That Sager continues in the background,

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Speaker 1: and is there a riff between this insane police department

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Speaker 1: and the Feds? It sure sounds like it based upon

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Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine's reporting of what's going on. You should

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Speaker 1: check out her Facebook page and follow it. She's always

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Speaker 1: on the cutting edge of the new revelations coming out,

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Speaker 1: and she's prizingly revealing of how disfunctional this City of

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati administration. Is Don Man with the book The Navy

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Speaker 1: Seal Playbook and Jack Windsor from the Iile Press Network.

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Speaker 1: Those two in the eight o'clock hour five one, three, seven, four,

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Speaker 1: nine fifty five hundred, eight hundred and eighty two to

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Speaker 1: three talk with Pound five fifty on AT and T

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Speaker 1: phones and I'm going to go back to the stack

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Speaker 1: is stupid. And of course naked guy we got to Kennishaw.

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Speaker 1: It looks like Marylyn William or Bradley William Hinton is

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Speaker 1: the guy. He's accused of showing up at a Quick

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Speaker 1: Trip gas station three times to steal alcohol. According to

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Speaker 1: the restroom from the Kenshaw Police are we're gonna find

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Speaker 1: out together. Perhaps he walked into the Quick Trip with

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Speaker 1: his pants around his ankles. Of course, of course without underwear.

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Speaker 1: That's a good look, Joe, isn't it, then walked back

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Speaker 1: to his vehicle the Quick Tip. A Quick Trip manager

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Speaker 1: called police and said the naked guy was inside the business.

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Speaker 1: Police got there, they found Hinton completely naked. I guess

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Speaker 1: he'd move the pants around his ankles. He was there

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Speaker 1: chugging a sixteen point nine ounce beat box alcoholic beverage,

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Speaker 1: sitting in the driver's seat of his jeep chair. No idea,

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Speaker 1: what's going on? I don't even know what a beatbox is, Joe?

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Speaker 1: You know what I was thinking? That was either there's

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Speaker 1: boxes of wine you get at Krugger. It's like three

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Speaker 1: bottles and one off for the price of like one

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Speaker 1: cheap bottle. I don't know beatbox. It's not described as wine.

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Speaker 1: It's described as alcoholic beverage. Joe's hitting the internet. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna answer that question for us anyway. While chugging the beverage,

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Speaker 1: Hinton was spilling it all over himself corner of the warrant.

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Speaker 1: He put his vehicle in park, then put it in reverse.

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Speaker 1: And backed up, of course, into the officer's patrol vehicle,

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Speaker 1: causing it damage. Hinton would not open the door to

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Speaker 1: get out of his vehicle, and officers had to open

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Speaker 1: the driver's side door and pull him free from the vehicle.

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Speaker 1: He's been charged with public drunk driving. I'm sorry, public

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Speaker 1: drunk driving, open container d you why safe alcohol? I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what that is, obstruction, hindering law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: public indecency. Arrested March fifth, booked into the Cobb County

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Speaker 1: Adult Detention Center. Released on a seven thousand dollars bond

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Speaker 1: several days later. Here's another short one. There you go ahead,

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Speaker 1: a pausive way for that one. Joe go to Roseberg, Oregon,

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Speaker 1: where police sighted a thirty six year old woman after

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Speaker 1: officers say they found her walking naked along a roadway

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Speaker 1: five thirty in the morning in the area West Harvard Avenue.

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Speaker 1: Got a report of a fully nude woman walking along

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Speaker 1: the road. At Ley said they located her, identified her,

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Speaker 1: confirmed she was in fact fully nude, which should have

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Speaker 1: been the shortest part of the process. Sighted on a

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Speaker 1: charge of indecent exposure and released. And finally we go

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Speaker 1: to the societal collapse that is revealed by yet another

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Speaker 1: actually somewhat attractive female adults teacher in Colorado having sex

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Speaker 1: with a thirteen year old Brenda Masa. She actually is

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Speaker 1: at large, remaining at large after police confirmed that she's

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Speaker 1: wanted on a sexual assault charge involving this thirteen year

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Speaker 1: old Colorado secretary accused of having sex with an eighth

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Speaker 1: grade student. She's on the run. Greenley Police Department public

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Speaker 1: information officer Kristin Dust speaking with the news so the

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Speaker 1: police have no updates on where she is. They were

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Speaker 1: called to Franklin Middle School February twelfth getting a report

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Speaker 1: about a sexual assault on a thirteen year old court

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Speaker 1: of the police. During the investigation, it was determined the

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Speaker 1: amazing engage in continuous sexual abuse of the miner for

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Speaker 1: several months. Currently wanted on felony charges. The school secretary,

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Speaker 1: who also served as coach on the school's cross country

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Speaker 1: team and club advisor, started the relationship with the team

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Speaker 1: after he found her Instagram account over Thanksgiving break. Para

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Speaker 1: llegedly began sending text messages and sexting photos of themselves

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Speaker 1: before the relationship escalated in January. Allegations laid out in

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Speaker 1: the Affidavid say, Masa and the teen met at a

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Speaker 1: Walmart parking lot perfect consume marijuana edibles and buzzballs Cocktails

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Speaker 1: buzzballs Joe and started to kiss and touch each other,

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Speaker 1: eventually moving to the back of the vehicle and had sex.

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Speaker 1: Tority say. The pair met up but a second time

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Speaker 1: a few weeks later to local park to share marijuana

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Speaker 1: and again have sex. Lludedly, The investigators found photos on

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Speaker 1: Mazes's phone showing the team drinking the booze and holding

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Speaker 1: marijuana blunts, along with another image of the two together. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's great. Appreciate the work that you did for detectives there.

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Speaker 1: Crazy Lady teen told investigators that they also had sex

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Speaker 1: a third time at the same park. Phone data revealed

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Speaker 1: Mesa and the teen had texted each other I Love

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Speaker 1: you about eighty one times between and of January and

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Speaker 1: the beginning of February, just over two weeks. Teen told

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Speaker 1: investigators Maza told him she got jealous when she saw

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Speaker 1: him talking with the girls his own age. She also

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Speaker 1: allegedly told the that his manhood was bigger than her husband's.

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Speaker 1: What have we stumbled upon? The motivation? Joe team told

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Speaker 1: police later, although he knew that the banter, including comments

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Speaker 1: that she believes she'd known him in another life, was corny.

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Speaker 1: He went along with it. Anyway, you can see where

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Speaker 1: this is going. Five fifty six. We'll give her a

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Speaker 1: parenthetical award this morning. Since we're out of time in

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Speaker 1: the segment. You know what I'm talking about Don't Go Away,

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Speaker 1: plenty to talk about. I got New Hampshire Gary calling

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Speaker 1: into the phone. Gary, I'll be happy to take your

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Speaker 1: call when I get back from the break. And then

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Speaker 1: of course Tech Friday with Dave Patter at six thirty

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Speaker 1: Don't Go Away. He talks to day Jan Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: wishing around a very happy Friday and invitation to stick

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Speaker 1: around all morning. Got Tech Friday with Dave Patter, Come

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Speaker 1: to the botto of the hour. Wi Fi signals apparently

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Speaker 1: able to map your body through walls. Creepy question, do

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Speaker 1: you trust AI bots to diagnose your health problems? And

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Speaker 1: finally here's one. There's a watchdog group out there that

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Speaker 1: revealed a study showing the game manufactur Sure's deliberately degrade consoles.

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Speaker 1: This is after you purchased them along with other items

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Speaker 1: through software upgrades. So if you've got an Internet of

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Speaker 1: Things device, and of course a game consoles connect the Internet,

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Speaker 1: they do software upgrades and then deprive you of full

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Speaker 1: functioning products. I guess in an effort to keep you

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Speaker 1: writing checks or otherwise maybe upgrading your equipment. That's what

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Speaker 1: we have day for coming to bottom of the our

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Speaker 1: Thanks to interest IT for sponsoring the segment. Fast forward

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Speaker 1: an hour seven oh five was Signal ninety nine. Find

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Speaker 1: her on Facebook. If you're not familiar, whether we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be talking about federal hearing regarding fire Chief Washington and

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Speaker 1: his improper termination my subjective boiled down perception of what

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Speaker 1: happened to him. And finally, is there a riff between

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Speaker 1: the Sincinni Police Department of the federal agents. We had

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Speaker 1: an award winning program and apparently everybody that was on

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Speaker 1: the inside at CPD has been removed from the program,

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Speaker 1: throwing us in a bit of alert here. So she'll

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Speaker 1: give us all the information as Signal ninety nine can

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Speaker 1: only do. That's coming to seven oh five. Fast forward

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Speaker 1: to eight o five with Don Man, Navy Seal. Jesus,

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Speaker 1: this guy's got an impressive record. He's written a book,

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Speaker 1: the Navy Seal Playbook, talking about the elements of being

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Speaker 1: a Navy seal and how you can apply that to

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Speaker 1: your life to deal with life's challenges. And then, of

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Speaker 1: course Jack Winsor it's Friday, we get Jack wins Or,

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Speaker 1: the editor in chief of the Isle Press Network and

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Speaker 1: host of the Windsor Report. Check them out on zoom.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about the what Amy acton did

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Speaker 1: the citizens of the state of Ohio? Yeah, during lockdown

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Speaker 1: Amy lockdown acting? What is House built three forty seven?

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Speaker 1: And finally Jack will be talking about Columbus trying to

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Speaker 1: enact what he calls a side hustle tax. You and

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Speaker 1: I will both find out together what that is. You

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Speaker 1: may be ahead of the game on me on that,

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Speaker 1: but that's where you have Jack Windsor. They also have

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Speaker 1: phones here. We're going to get to New Hampshire, Gary

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Speaker 1: right now five one three seven, four nine fifty five hundred,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and eight two three talk pound five fifty

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Speaker 1: on AT and T phones. Gary, Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: show Man. Happy Friday.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Brian, glad glad you're feeling better. Prayers both for

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Speaker 6: you and Joe, for your father, for his father and

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Speaker 6: your cancer, and thank.

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Speaker 1: You for Joe's father. I truly appreciate that, and I'm

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Speaker 1: in your camp on praying for Joe's father. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 6: I was just I just came back from Boston. I

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Speaker 6: was on the trip and I was coming back, and

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Speaker 6: I flew back and I'm kind of like a little

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Speaker 6: bit more aware of my surroundings with the war and everything.

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Speaker 6: And I come back from a trip and I go

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Speaker 6: down to the baggage carousel down here in Boston on Wednesday,

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Speaker 6: and they got the news lined up at the carousel.

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Speaker 6: They got all the local news channels and that I

677
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Speaker 6: couldn't help but to think of you. Apparently, there was

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Speaker 6: a flight that came in next to mine and there

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Speaker 6: was a cargo fire on the aircraft. It was a

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Speaker 6: Jet Blue that came out of JFK, And I talked

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Speaker 6: to some of the passengers there because they were like,

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Speaker 6: you know, they were very frank. They were like, it

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Speaker 6: was terrifying. Yeah, And apparently I don't know what caused

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Speaker 6: the fire, but everybody I'm talking to they're saying it

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Speaker 6: was probably a battery fire. And they said that the

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Speaker 6: aircraft had a really hard time landing. And I think,

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Speaker 6: you know, at least it was reported that it had

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Speaker 6: a hard time landing. It was just such a shock

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Speaker 6: to see that it is happening, and it's happening fairly often,

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Speaker 6: more often than you would like, even though they've got

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Speaker 6: ways of containing fires and cargo compartments. You know, if

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Speaker 6: somebody takes you know, if these batteries continue, somebody's going

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Speaker 6: to get hurt.

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Speaker 1: Oh, without question. It's just a matter of time, you know.

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Speaker 1: I just pivoting over to the defunding or the lack

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Speaker 1: of funding for the Department of Homeland Security. It's just

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Speaker 1: a matter of time before we get another terrorist action.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's going to happen there. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be another battery fire, and I have feeling that's

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Speaker 1: and I pray to God that it isn't tragic. But

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Speaker 1: you know, you get a lithium and I tell you

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Speaker 1: what I questioned, whether they really have adequate for fire

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Speaker 1: suppression giving how hard those lithium ion batteries are to

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Speaker 1: put out. I mean, you hear stories about Tesla's catching

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Speaker 1: on fire and fire departments coming in and dumping five

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Speaker 1: million gallons of water on it over a period of hours,

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Speaker 1: and they still have a tough time keeping them out.

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Speaker 1: That's great that's that's going on beneath your feet in

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Speaker 1: the cargo hold on an airplane. Uh, freak you out,

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Speaker 1: abs hell lutely geese.

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Speaker 6: One of the things that I've had somebody in the

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Speaker 6: industry tell me that one of the things that they're

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Speaker 6: really kind of afraid of because they're made cheaply, are

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Speaker 6: vake pens. Oh, people throw their vake pens in their luggage.

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Speaker 6: They forget about it. And what the what they don't

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Speaker 6: realize is as aircraft goes up, pressurization increases. When the

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Speaker 6: aircraft lands, it decreases. If there's any sort of water

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Speaker 6: or metal contaminants in the mercury are in the lithium,

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Speaker 6: that's what causes them to go boom, you know, and

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Speaker 6: you know it's just it's just a matter of time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you just add that to the list of

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Speaker 1: reasons that flying kind of bothers me. I'm usually not

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Speaker 1: afraid of the concept of flying, and if people do

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Speaker 1: it every single day and the chances of something happening

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Speaker 1: are remote but giant. But to that statement, which you know,

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Speaker 1: if I can try listen, Hey, you know what, the

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Speaker 1: TSA's backed up three to four hours and a lot

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Speaker 1: of airports, So add that to your calculations. Okay, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna save a couple hours by flying, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: wait around three or four hours to get on the

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Speaker 1: damn plane. And it's couple that with you know, flight

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Speaker 1: delays and other problems you might run into, connecting flight problems. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna opt to drive. My distance to choose driving

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Speaker 1: over flying has just increased.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It used to be like six hours. Yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go with eight, maybe ten. I'd rather be behind the

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Speaker 1: wheel of an automobile anyway, because look, I can pull

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Speaker 1: over anytime. I damn will want to take a break,

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Speaker 1: maybe see a little something on the side. Anyhow. Plus, Gary,

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Speaker 1: I about you have a great weekend.

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Speaker 3: Brother.

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Speaker 1: Is a great hearing from me, and thanks again for

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Speaker 1: the for the kind words. This is crazy New York

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Speaker 1: Governor Kathy Hokel last week talking to the Political New

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Speaker 1: York Agendas Summit. I think she said the quiet part

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Speaker 1: out loud, You don't inadvertently tell the truth. Kathy Hokeel

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Speaker 1: revealing how desperate she is she is trying to get

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Speaker 1: multi millionaire billionaire folks that it took off and left

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Speaker 1: for Florida, because of the high, crazy tax and regulation

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Speaker 1: reality of New York. To come move back, please, Dear God,

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Speaker 1: move back. I philosophically don't have a problem with raising taxes, apparently,

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Speaker 1: because that's why that you know, Mayor Mondami's pushing to

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Speaker 1: increase the taxes in New York and he needs the

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Speaker 1: governor's approval to do that. People have already fled New

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Speaker 1: York into the current tax environment. She said, I have

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Speaker 1: to look at the fact that we are in competition

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Speaker 1: with other states who have less of a tax burden

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Speaker 1: on their corporations and their individuals. Did you just get

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Speaker 1: the memo the world's a different place? Going back to

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Speaker 1: amy Lockdown Act, and what did we learn from COVID,

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Speaker 1: We are learned a lot terrible things. Families suffered tragedies,

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Speaker 1: people's people died without the benefit of being next to

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Speaker 1: their loved ones, locked up the nursing home facilities. People

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Speaker 1: were freaked out. Yeah, there was a lot of carnage

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Speaker 1: out there, but the government's reaction to it, in our

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Speaker 1: elected officials' reaction to it, that is hopefully burned firmly

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Speaker 1: in your memory. We have the benefit of now we

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Speaker 1: can use telehealth, so you don't have to go to

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Speaker 1: the doctor's office anymore. A lot of people able to

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Speaker 1: remotely work at home. My wife benefits from that. No

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Speaker 1: longer a forty five commute to get to the office.

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Speaker 1: She has an office in the basement, walks downstairs and

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Speaker 1: does her business. And it worked out great. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people experiencing that. Of course, that's impacted New York.

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Speaker 1: We also were it COVID revealed. I think it is

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Speaker 1: a great thing. One of the worst things that it

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Speaker 1: revealed that were dependent almost exclusively on the Chinese Communist

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Speaker 1: Party to make our pharmaceuticals problem revealed, and problem maybe

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Speaker 1: being worked on right now. But it also revealed that, yes,

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Speaker 1: Governor Hockle, we have the freedom of travel. Oh that's right,

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Speaker 1: I don't have to be here anymore. Just the fact

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Speaker 1: is I need people who are who are high net

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Speaker 1: worth to support the generous social programs that we want

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Speaker 1: to have in our state. Well, you may want it.

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Speaker 1: What she did was praise quote some patriotic millionaires who

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Speaker 1: stepped up and cut me checks. I don't think she

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Speaker 1: necessarily meant cut them and then having them land in

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Speaker 1: her personal pocket. Who knows, she said, But if they

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Speaker 1: really want to help these patriotic millionaires who apparently have

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Speaker 1: stayed in the heavily taxed and overly regulated state of

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Speaker 1: New York. Maybe the first step, she said, should be

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Speaker 1: to go down to Palm Beach and see what you

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Speaker 1: can do to bring back home, especially because our tax

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Speaker 1: base has been eroded. She said, remote work changed everything.

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Speaker 1: And this is really where she knocks it out of

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Speaker 1: the park from my perspective, revealing something so obvious but

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Speaker 1: actually saying it. There were people who could only work

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Speaker 1: in an office in Manhattan and work in New York State,

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Speaker 1: and they were captives to our state. They were going

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Speaker 1: to stay. But we saw that's no longer the case.

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Speaker 1: Thank you COVID nineteen, freeing people from being held hostage

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Speaker 1: in the state of New York. Damn it, the financial

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Speaker 1: industries here. I can't go any place else. It's like

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Speaker 1: Silicon Valley in San Francisco, right, Can you afford a

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Speaker 1: house out there? Well, only if you're one of these

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Speaker 1: tech millionaires. But that's where the center of attention is,

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Speaker 1: That's where Silicon Valley is, that's where the tech industry

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Speaker 1: well had its capital. In essence, you can't leave. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, long came COVID nineteen long came in a

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Speaker 1: world that's connected with the internet. Look, you mean we

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Speaker 1: don't have to deal with tech out in California and

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Speaker 1: it's heavily regulated, overly taxation state. No, you don't. You

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Speaker 1: can leave. Everybody there went to Texas. I think it's great.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, Governor Hockel, I think the answer

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Speaker 1: from them is going to be no. Let's see here

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Speaker 1: no income tax and virtually no property tax, and my

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00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: businesses and being onerously taxed and regulated. I like it here.

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Speaker 1: It's sunny, it's beautiful. Oh wow, see here? Do I

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Speaker 1: want to commit financial suicide or otherwise bring myself some

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Speaker 1: personal harm by moving back to New York so I

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Speaker 1: can support these grandiose plans for achieving like societal Nirvana.

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Speaker 1: Let me just pause before I choose and reflect back

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Speaker 1: on how successful all of these societally improving programs have

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Speaker 1: been over the years. How successful are the homeless housing

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Speaker 1: program has been? Okay, maybe not, How successful the New

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Speaker 1: York School of Public School's been in delivering a great

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Speaker 1: edge education for our young people? Okay, there's not that.

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Speaker 1: You could get down the list if you want, but

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Speaker 1: you get the idea. Where I'm coming from. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Governor huckle for well just putting an exclamation point on

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Speaker 1: the beauty of being able to remote work. Six eighteen

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Speaker 1: fifty five carers The detalk station five one three seven

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Speaker 1: for nine to fifty five hundred eight hundred eighty two

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Speaker 1: three talk give you another number, Suzette Low's Camp's number.

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Speaker 1: If you want a mortgage, you have a mortgage related issue,

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Speaker 1: you want to get some equity out of your home,

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Speaker 1: you want to buy a house. That's where Susette Low's

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Speaker 1: Camp comes in. She's with Cross Country Mortgage, meaning whatever

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Speaker 1: state you're sitting in, including my friends in Puerto Rico

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Speaker 1: who are listening over the iHeartMedia app that she can

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Speaker 1: help you too. There'll never be a junk fee, There'll

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Speaker 1: never be an application fee. That will be great rates

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Speaker 1: at a low cost. She has all those mortgage companies

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Speaker 1: out there, so see the talk station six twenty three

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Speaker 1: fifty five krc DE Talk station. I hope you're having

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Speaker 1: a very happy Friday. I hope you got some plans

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Speaker 1: this weekend. David, how about you enjoying a cocktail with

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Speaker 1: my dad? Perhaps God rest my dad soul, and I

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Speaker 1: want to give away a couple of tickets. Because it's

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Speaker 1: time to give away a couple of tickets. It's Tenderly

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Speaker 1: the Rosemary Clooney Musical coming to the Cincinni Playhouse in

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Speaker 1: the Park thanks to Ellen and Ray Vanderhorst who are

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Speaker 1: presenting Tenderly the Rosemary Clooney Musical. This is taking place

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Speaker 1: Mark twenty first to May seventeenth. You can buy your

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Speaker 1: own tickets at sincyplay dot com. Of course, putting Maysville,

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Speaker 1: Kentucky on the map where she came from Scott is

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Speaker 1: Rosemary Clooney. Well, going back a while on that one,

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Speaker 1: somebody suggested maybe Thet's do a Rob Ryder musical broad

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Speaker 1: show music. Well, that'd be kind of funny, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 1: I gave you longer than ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: Joe.

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's a question going back to the eight million

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Speaker 1: to give to the new Riverbend project. I had forgotten

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Speaker 1: speaking about this in the last part. They're talking about

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Speaker 1: increasing the payroll tax. Go ahead and try to justify that.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they've lost this sense of awareness to say, Council,

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Speaker 1: the mayor, we need more money. We got a thirty

878
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Speaker 1: five million dollar boards to shortfall. Oh by the way,

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Speaker 1: here's eight million dollars to go to the Well, a

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Speaker 1: music venue that never asked for the City of Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: for a dime. Some are suggesting inflation has reared its

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Speaker 1: ugly head, creating a budget hole for the Riverbend project. Regardless,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's effective marketing. We're going to raise

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Speaker 1: the tax, going back to Governor Hockle's problem, and look

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Speaker 1: what Chicago's doing. They're raising their hotel tourist tax to

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Speaker 1: nineteen percent. Why because they want tourism marketing funds. If

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Speaker 1: you take that money and charge every single human being

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Speaker 1: who comes in and stays in the city is Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be twenty percent basically on their room charge. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that could be a heap load of money. Then they'll

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Speaker 1: invest that in marketing campaigns. Uh okay, Well, considering Governor

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Speaker 1: Huckle's realization that every city is competing with every other city,

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Speaker 1: and the same thing goes with states. Let's see if

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Speaker 1: you have an outrageous price for a room and there

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Speaker 1: are other options available to you, less expensive ones, although

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Speaker 1: providing the same amenities, and the money is coming out

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Speaker 1: of your folks pockets, I think you know, you might

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Speaker 1: want to go someplace else. Let them compete along those lines.

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Speaker 1: Six twenty five. Come up with six twenty six Tech Friday.

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Speaker 1: But Dave Hatter next after I mentioned my friends of

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Speaker 1: to welcome back to the Morning show. Understanding, you're not

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Speaker 1: feeling real good today, Dave.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of a cold. I'm all right, I

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Speaker 3: just sound a little crazy this morning.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we'll wish you the best and then

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Speaker 1: we'll find out that in the next segment whether you'll

915
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Speaker 1: trust an AI bot to figure out what the hell's

916
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Speaker 1: wrong with you. But before that, I was reminded, Dave

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Speaker 1: on a on a comical level, and I asked Joe

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Speaker 1: Strecker if he knew what the joke was about Ruru,

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Speaker 1: And of course my dad had told him that joke,

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Speaker 1: and that dad told me that joke too. Remember death

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Speaker 1: by Ruru, also death by Unga Bunga. We have not Ruru,

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Speaker 1: but review. So you can either acknowledge your understanding of

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Speaker 1: that joke or we can just dive into the subject matter.

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Speaker 3: Dave Hatter, Yeah, that is funny. And also how there's

925
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Speaker 3: a takeoff of that on if you ever watch Futurama.

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Speaker 1: Death by there you go. Okay, we're all on the

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Speaker 1: same page.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is an interesting story. Headline Wi Fi

929
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Speaker 3: signals reveal human activities through walls by mapping body key points.

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Speaker 3: And this is the review you're talking about, is an

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Speaker 3: open source AI system and basically just using ordinary Wi Fi.

932
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Speaker 3: Keep in mind, your Wi Fi router is throwing out

933
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Speaker 3: a wireless signal that allows the devices within range to

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Speaker 3: connect to it. Your computer, your phone, your smart TV,

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Speaker 3: whatever other devices you have that can pick up a

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Speaker 3: Wi Fi signal. And I'm sure many of your listeners

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Speaker 3: out there have fought in the past with well, the

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Speaker 3: signals not strong enough in this room, or sometimes it

939
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Speaker 3: drops off at this time of day or whatever. But

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Speaker 3: my point is you're throwing out a radio frequency right

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Speaker 3: typically in the three hundred and sixty degree arc or

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Speaker 3: circle that all these devices are trying to connect to.

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Speaker 3: And this is not new exactly. Researchers have shown in

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Speaker 3: the past you could do this, but now with this

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Speaker 3: new system, it basically shows you how as the radio

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Speaker 3: signals are either bouncing off of things or absorbed by things,

947
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Speaker 3: think the way radar works. Basically without any kind of

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Speaker 3: cameras or anything, someone that has the right equipment and

949
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Speaker 3: this in the right system can pick up that Wi

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Speaker 3: Fi and see where people are in a room through

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Speaker 3: the walls with no windows, no cameras or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: It's it's pretty wild, really, it says in the article

953
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Speaker 3: turning ordinary Wi Fi infrastructure into a through the wall

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Speaker 3: human sensing platform, detecting body pos, vital signs, and movement

955
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Speaker 3: patterns without a single camera, raising security and raising urgent

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Speaker 3: security and surveillance concerns.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say yeah, And.

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Speaker 3: They say researchers and developers have long theorized that ambient

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Speaker 3: radio signals could be weaponized for passive surveillance. And this review,

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Speaker 3: built by developer room Cohen and available on GitHub, implements

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Speaker 3: Wi Fi dense Pose, a sensing technique originally pioneered by

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Speaker 3: carnegiem moll And University, is a practical, low cost edge

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Speaker 3: system that reconstructs full body human poses through walls using

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Speaker 3: only standard Wi Fi signals. Wow, so yeah, it's it

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Speaker 3: just goes to show you again all of this technology

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Speaker 3: can be used in ways that are often unintended and

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Speaker 3: potentially negative.

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Speaker 1: This sounds like something or American military would have developed

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Speaker 1: in order to do like breaches of you know, rooms,

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Speaker 1: whether so they know exactly where people are before they

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Speaker 1: kick a door in.

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Speaker 3: But well, and maybe they did have Brian And then

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Speaker 3: if you just haven't heard about their version of it.

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Speaker 3: You know. Again, this idea of using Wi Fi signals

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Speaker 3: to be able to like map an area and so

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Speaker 3: forth isn't new, but this, this reoview application, is fairly new.

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Speaker 3: It goes on to say, when a human body moves

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Speaker 3: within a wireless environment, it distorted signal paths across dozens

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Speaker 3: of o FDM subcarriers. This is a signal process. This

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Speaker 3: software is a signal processing pipeline. It captures these disturbances

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Speaker 3: and extracts the amplitude and phase variation, feeds them through

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Speaker 3: a modified process, and essentially will show you again where

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Speaker 3: a person is, how their position and so forth, simply

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Speaker 3: because their body is blot interfering with the signals.

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Speaker 1: Frightening. It doesn't attract me that the technology exists that

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Speaker 1: can do that, but that the technology exists that they

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00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: can do that is just in and of itself kind

988
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: of frightening. So it's the death of privacy by review.

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Speaker 3: Certainly one more step towards it. And it goes on

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Speaker 3: to say, unlike cameras which are regulating under GDPR and CCPA,

991
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Speaker 3: know privacy laws which again vary all around the world,

992
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Speaker 3: and there isn't a single single privacy on the US.

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Speaker 3: Unlike cameras, which are regulating GDPR and CCPA and physical

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Speaker 3: installation laws, passive Wi Fi sensing is invisible and requires

995
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Speaker 3: no physical access to the target environment. Legal analysis is noted.

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Speaker 3: Quote it's quite difficult to ask pedestrians for permission and

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Speaker 3: advance unquote, and can send frameworks collap entirely when the

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Speaker 3: sensing is passive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, let's face it, Even if there's a law

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Speaker 1: on the book outright prohibiting it and subjecting you to

1001
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Speaker 1: criminal penalty if you do it, nefarious actors don't follow

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Speaker 1: the law, Dave. So I don't think one of a

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Speaker 1: for want of a regulation, this is going to go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, keep that in mind. If you have

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Speaker 1: Wi Fi, someone could hack in and use this as

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Speaker 1: basically what it boils down to.

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00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 3: Yes, that is what it boils down to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, get those Internet of Things devices to make

1009
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: it really easy for people to break into your Wi

1010
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: Fi system or on that dude, maybe AI can figure

1011
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 1: out what's wrong with Dave this morning. We're gonna find

1012
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Speaker 1: that out. Coming up next first, Kate of Heaven Talk Station.

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Speaker 3: Six.

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Speaker 1: As I you've have KC the talk station. This is

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Speaker 1: my theme song for Sunday Money and Tuesday. Joe and

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Speaker 1: of course Dave had her feeling slightly under the weather

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Speaker 1: this morning intrust it dot Com sponsoring the Tech Friday

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Speaker 1: segment here with Dave Hatter. Of course, they're the ones

1019
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Speaker 1: that rely on for all your business computer needs. Feel

1020
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Speaker 1: a little under the wetter? Are you have you consulted

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Speaker 1: AI bot? Dave Hatter?

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Speaker 3: Now, Brian, I'm gonna have you guess. Do you think no?

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Speaker 3: And I would that I would a put any sensitive

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Speaker 3: information into any sort of AI bottles. Yeah, and then

1025
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Speaker 3: b take its advice as uh as gospel, because you know,

1026
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 3: we have an ever increasing number of cases showing that

1027
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: these things will literally just make things up and then

1028
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 3: try to convince.

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Speaker 1: You there correct or to kill yourself because you have

1030
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Speaker 1: a head colt.

1031
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, yeah you might not.

1032
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Speaker 1: You're dying. You're dying. You may as well just fast

1033
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Speaker 1: forward and get it over with. It's the right thing

1034
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Speaker 1: to do.

1035
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, some sort of nasal cancer. You better go off yourself.

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Speaker 3: It's a no, there's there's folks have to have to understand.

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Speaker 3: And this is something you and I have talked about

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Speaker 3: off and on not on this specific topic, but the

1039
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,839
Speaker 3: idea that the more information you put out there about yourself, right,

1040
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 3: the more that information will get corelated, sold, et cetera.

1041
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 3: And is it possible that at some point you won't

1042
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 3: get a job, or your insurance premium will go up

1043
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 3: or something like that, you won't be able to rent

1044
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 3: an apartment because there's data out there about you which

1045
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 3: might be incorrect. I mean, for example, you may enter

1046
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 3: your symptoms about something and that data gets sold and

1047
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 3: then you know, someone some AI some person draws a

1048
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 3: wrong conclusion or it gets mixed in with other data

1049
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 3: and they draw wrong conclusion, and some AI algorithm somewhere

1050
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 3: that someone has sold to some company that helps them

1051
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 3: supposedly determine whether you're a good renter or a good employee,

1052
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 3: or a good insurable or whatever it is, is making

1053
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Speaker 3: wrong decisions based on that information which is not correct

1054
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Speaker 3: to begin with. Yeah, that's that's a real threat. And

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Speaker 3: I'll just tell you right now. It's you know, it's

1056
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Speaker 3: one thing. If you have a standalone AI set up

1057
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Speaker 3: like Ohama or something, you know, I still wouldn't really

1058
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: put my information in there. I would not take its advice.

1059
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 3: Might I ask it a question and see what it

1060
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Speaker 3: says and then compare that to other resources. Yes, maybe

1061
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 3: I probably wouldn't, just because that's the way I am. However,

1062
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 3: if you're using these free online tools, you need to

1063
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Speaker 3: understand first off, unless you've read and understood the privacy

1064
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Speaker 3: policy and or the terms of service, which is probably

1065
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 3: going to be at minimum and eighty page confuse ofuly

1066
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Speaker 3: of mumbo jumbo that you can't understand. You don't know

1067
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Speaker 3: where your data is going to go, you don't know

1068
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 3: who they might sell it to. You don't know how

1069
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Speaker 3: that could be used in ways that you would not

1070
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Speaker 3: appreciate or approve of if you understood. So yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: just I'm telling you all straight up now, there is

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Speaker 3: absolutely no chance I would use any sort of free

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Speaker 3: online AI tool Chat, ept, Perplexity, Claude Grock fill in

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Speaker 3: the blank. I would not use any of them, by

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Speaker 3: you to as a platform where I'm going to enter

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Speaker 3: sensitive information about myself or my family, especially health related information, well,

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Speaker 3: knowing that there's no control over that once I hit the.

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Speaker 1: Button, okay, and I get all that, And you know,

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Speaker 1: you often find out after crimes have been committed, they

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Speaker 1: go back and do look at your Internet search and

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Speaker 1: see if you've looked up like how to dispose of

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Speaker 1: a body or whatever that's obviously incriminating relative to the

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Speaker 1: crime scene. So but I have you know, I haven't

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Speaker 1: used the AI platforms like chat, GPT, but I have

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Speaker 1: looked up certain diseases. Like a friend is diagnosed with something,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell is that, I'll go in

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Speaker 1: and look it up. That doesn't mean it applies to me,

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Speaker 1: it's just I'm curious about it. It was a Mayo

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Speaker 1: clinic website. It's got all kinds of information, for example,

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Speaker 1: So that could be presumed by the folks out there

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Speaker 1: collecting information about my IP address that I'm the one

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Speaker 1: struggling with that and I'm the one suffering for whatever

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Speaker 1: disease has been looked up.

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Speaker 3: Yes, how do they know that you're not the person

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Speaker 3: that has the potential disease that you're looking at?

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Speaker 1: How know that I don't have it and I'm just

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Speaker 1: looking it up out of curiosity.

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Speaker 3: Well they don't. But my point is, once that data

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Speaker 3: gets sold somewhere down the line, can someone infer that

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Speaker 3: maybe Brian Thomas has fill in the blank because he

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Speaker 3: looked it up twice.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you know so, yeah, I think I'd like a

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Speaker 1: hearing on that, a little due process before people reach

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Speaker 1: erroneous conclusions, perhaps without my knowledge. That that's scary, Dave,

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Speaker 1: it really is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I'm just telling you that at the end

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Speaker 3: of the day, when you use anything that's online, you're

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Speaker 3: being tracked constantly. May you know a lot of these

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Speaker 3: medical sites are some of the worst offenders of trackers

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Speaker 3: and finger printing and all that sort of thing. We've

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Speaker 3: talked about that before, and people can go research that

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Speaker 3: for themselves, but again they don't. Yes, you may have

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Speaker 3: some just random curiosity. You saw an ad on TV

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Speaker 3: and what does this drug do? What is this disease? Right,

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Speaker 3: because they're constantly trying to tell you this stuff. But yes, understand,

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Speaker 3: when you go look that up, if it's traceable directly

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Speaker 3: to you and through things like browser fingerprinting, it's increasingly

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Speaker 3: difficult to stop that. You know, if you have the

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Speaker 3: right tools and you know what you're doing, and you

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Speaker 3: use a VPN and all that, you can make it

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Speaker 3: much more difficult to attribute that to you specifically.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's what my question was going to be. Using

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Speaker 1: a VPN that masks my personal IP address, and it

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Speaker 1: gives me one of the ones that's generically used by

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Speaker 1: anybody else with a VPN. So you got Nord VPN.

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Speaker 1: They think you're in Chicago or Poughkeepsie or in you know, Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: wherever the servers are. They can't trace that directly to

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Speaker 1: you individually. It's the VPN that they're they're they're connecting

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Speaker 1: it with.

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Speaker 3: Well they can, yes, the endpoint is not going to

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Speaker 3: be able to trace that back to you. They'll just

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Speaker 3: see whatever VPN endpoint you came out of. So to

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Speaker 3: your point, you know, I could sign into my Proton

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Speaker 3: VPN today and come out of let's say Austria or

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Speaker 3: you know wherever I want. Sure, so it's going to

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Speaker 3: appear that I'm there. But here's the thing that most

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Speaker 3: people still don't really understand. Your web browser, in conjunction

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Speaker 3: with your operating system on your device, can be fingerprinted

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Speaker 3: in a way that is, if not unique, very very

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Speaker 3: close to unique. And here's what I mean by that.

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01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 3: The exact way your computer, your phone, whatever is configured

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01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 3: is unlikely to be exactly the same as mine, even

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01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 3: if we both have Windows eleven for example, and all

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01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 3: of This information is not all of it. Much of

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01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 3: it is sent to every web request, and these apps

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01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 3: that people are using can collect even more information than

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01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 3: a web browser can. So even if you're using a VPN,

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01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 3: I can potentially capture a unique fingerprint or something that

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01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 3: is very likely to be unique to you, right, like

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01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 3: maybe you're one in one hundred people in the whole world.

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01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,439
Speaker 3: And even with things like blocking cookies, even with things

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01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 3: like a VPN, it is possible to more or less

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Speaker 3: uniquely identify someone. So I'm just warning jokes out there.

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Speaker 3: If you think that you can have anonymity simply because

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01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 3: you're using a v and you can go online and

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01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 3: look up things that you don't want other people to

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01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 3: know about, whether it's born or diseases or whatever aperient

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01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 3: interest you might have, it is possible that you will

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Speaker 3: be uniquely identified. And again you've got to understand, Brian,

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Speaker 3: most of these companies that are providing all these so

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Speaker 3: called free services to you, free medical advice, whatever it is, right,

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01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,439
Speaker 3: they're making money off collecting your data. They're making money

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01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 3: off serving up ads to you. They're potentially making money

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01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 3: off selling your data so that other people can sell

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01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 3: ads to you or know that or think you have

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01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 3: disease X, so they can now send you the latest

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Speaker 3: medical information, latest pharmaceutical data, or whatever it is. You know,

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Speaker 3: they are heavily incentivized to want to uniquely identify you

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01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 3: and track you across the Internet because there's power in

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01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 3: that data, right, there's power in the profiling of you

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01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 3: and me and Joe and everyone else out there to

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Speaker 3: figure out how you think, what you do, what you're

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Speaker 3: interested in, and sell you more stuff. That's the fundamental

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Speaker 3: reason for it. And there are these others downstream consequences.

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Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, Yeah, don't don't.

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Speaker 3: Enter your health information in a chat pot. Don't do it.

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Speaker 1: And Tom wo'ld say, don't fote Democrats six forty nine

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Speaker 1: fifty five KRC DETALKX station odor exit gets rid of

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Speaker 1: the smells that that's regularly surrounding you. At sixty fifty

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Speaker 1: about car CE detalks station tech part of Dave had

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Speaker 1: it brought to you by intrust it. Okay, So they're

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Speaker 1: deliberately degrading consoles through software upgrades. This it's like the

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01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: products these days are have like an internal self destruct mechanism.

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01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: Nothing lasts as long as it used to. Dave so

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01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: you gotta go out and buy a new one. Is

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01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: this done? I guess the same thing via software.

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Speaker 3: Well apparently that is the case. So Tom's Hardware has

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Speaker 3: this article. Uh Am I allowed to say this word, Brian.

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Speaker 1: No, Joe said, I don't even know what word you're

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Speaker 1: talking about.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so, oh and s wortification. We can call

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Speaker 3: it that, yes, which I love this word, by the way,

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01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 3: because I think it is a perfect description. And Corey

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01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 3: Doctor wrote a whole book about this, the idea that

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01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 3: these so called smart products are increasingly making the world

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Speaker 3: less good. Now you know, I've been on this for

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Speaker 3: a long time, Brian, really primarily because of the privacy

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Speaker 3: and security aspects of these devices. But I'm just going

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Speaker 3: to quote directly from this article. Okay, so the headline again,

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Speaker 3: I'll skip the word Norwegen government watch dog calls out

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Speaker 3: quote in assification of video games, connected devices and others

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01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 3: flames hardware deliberately degraded after purchase. And they say this

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01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 3: direct quote from the article, we companies can degrade the

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Speaker 3: functionality of your car or effectively destroy your connected washing

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01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 3: machine with the software updates. Does the report going on

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01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 3: to call out printer in cartridges, smart home devices that

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Speaker 3: lose features that require subscriptions post purchase, and connected devices

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01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 3: where functionality is gated or removed over time. Since it's

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01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 3: a Tesla's driving feature, which is switched to a subscription

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Speaker 3: only service as of February fourteenth, the report also Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The report also describes how freemium games use forced ad

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01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 3: breaks and in game virtual currencies to convert what we're

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01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 3: one single game purchase titles into recurring revenue streams. You know,

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01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 3: the idea that I bought a new car and if

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01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 3: I want to use the heated seats because it's all

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01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 3: software based, right, It's all software based, so I can

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01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 3: turn off your seats until you want to pay the

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01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 3: subscription fee or any other feature. But the bigger concern

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Speaker 3: I have about this, you know I and this goes

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Speaker 3: back to, you know, lawsuits against John Deere where they've said, oh,

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Speaker 3: you can't fix your own equipment because we own the

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Speaker 3: intellectual property of the software and this sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: And it's not unique to John Deere. I'm not trying

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Speaker 3: to single them out. I'm just saying that in general,

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Speaker 3: there have been lawsuits against companies in the past because

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Speaker 3: of the right to repair. That's sort of the idea

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Speaker 3: that I bought something, it's mine now, and if I

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Speaker 3: want to repair it myself, I should be able to.

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Speaker 3: But as we get into this increasing the digital world

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Speaker 3: of Internet of things, so called smart devices, well, do

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01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 3: you really own it if it has software in it

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01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 3: that can control it and you know one or more

1233
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 3: features can be shut off? And let me give you

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Speaker 3: an example of why I despise this stuff. Brian, and

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Speaker 3: I keep trying to explain to people, I'm not inherently

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Speaker 3: against it. I'm against the fact that we are now

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Speaker 3: in a world where everything has software in it. People

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01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 3: don't understand the risks. They don't know how to configure

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01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 3: it correctly, they don't know how to update it, and

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Speaker 3: in fact, in many cases the companies that make it

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01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 3: will not provide updates after a certain period of time.

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Speaker 3: They can turn things off, but it can be hacked.

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Speaker 3: Here's an example. Headline cyber attack leaves main drivers with

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Speaker 3: breathalyzer test systems unable to start vehicles. A cyber attack

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01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 3: is shut down a national breathalyzer test system found in

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01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 3: vehicles of OUI offenders, impacting thousands of drivers in Maine

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01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 3: and forty five other states, then I'm reading from the article.

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01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 3: Once the device is installed, drivers have to pass the

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Speaker 3: breathalyzer test where they can start their vehicle. It won't

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01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 3: start if your alcohol alcohol is point to or higher.

1251
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 3: But since the cyber breach shut its entire system down

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01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 3: on Saturday, anyone with one of the devices cannot start

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01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 3: their car. So you may end up losing your job

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01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 3: because your car won't start due to some sort of

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01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 3: Internet connected device. Or better yet, Brian, now that your

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01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,480
Speaker 3: car is a rolling computer, what happens when an adversarial

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01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 3: nation just turns your car off for you, or when

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01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 3: you when you violate some you know, theoretical law or whatever,

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01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 3: and now you can't use your car because the system

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01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 3: has decided that you can't. You can't use the car.

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Speaker 3: This is this is where the in word comes in

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Speaker 3: that we've been describing the nsification, right, We're headed into

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01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 3: a crazy place if people do not get wise to

1264
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 3: the fact that all of these Internet of things devices

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01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 3: where we're at today are not good. They're hackable. Here's

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01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 3: yet another example. I keep trying to point these out,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, the less of these we have, the better.

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Speaker 1: That's with ease we have the better. Continuing theme with

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Speaker 1: tech Friday's Dave at or interest it dot com. Get

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Speaker 1: in touch with Dave. You're in the best hands with

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Speaker 1: business Computer Needs Day. Thank you very much every week

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Speaker 1: for the segment. We'll talk again next Friday. I hope

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Speaker 1: you have a wonderful weekend. Brother.

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Speaker 3: Always my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: also have the conversation yesterday with Adam Kaylor about citizen journalism.

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Speaker 1: There's a seminar next it to Power You Smmonar March

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Speaker 1: twenty fifth. He's got this Cincinnati Exchange blog and he's

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Speaker 1: inviting people out within the community who have some connection

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Speaker 1: with matters going on locally to provide some reporting on it.

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Speaker 1: He's facilitated that, he's made it very easy and there's

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Speaker 1: some great contributors out there, and including someone who identify

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Speaker 1: as a citizen journalist. And thank god, we've got our

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the fifty five Case Morning Show. Signal

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Speaker 1: nineteen nine. Good to hear from you today. How's life

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Speaker 1: with you right now? Signal Good morning, Brian.

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Speaker 4: I'm awake and I kind of had a voice, so

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Speaker 4: I'll try.

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Speaker 6: Not to yell.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to. You've got a very strong voice,

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Speaker 1: even if it might not be functioning accurately. The interesting

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Speaker 1: commentary you provide on your website over at Facebook, find

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Speaker 1: signal ninety nine on Facebook and see what she's got

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Speaker 1: to say. A lot of it's kind of comical. I

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Speaker 1: got you your post yesterday. The appropriate use of commas

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Speaker 1: can really transform a statement. But more fundamentally, when you

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Speaker 1: find things going on behind the scenes, like with law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: with the fire department, you let folks know about it.

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Speaker 1: You've got a lot of folks that you're connected with

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Speaker 1: that have the inside information. When there is documentation, quite

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Speaker 1: often you'll present it and really pretty much offer an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to someone to refute what you are saying in

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Speaker 1: the conclusions you reach, which doesn't usually seem to happen,

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Speaker 1: which allows me to con firm that you are connected

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Speaker 1: with some very informed folks. Signal ninety nine.

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Speaker 4: I you know it's true, and the success of our

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Speaker 4: page has been because we have so many people that

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Speaker 4: trust us, and we have them in every nook and granny.

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Speaker 4: It's it's kind of phenomenal. Taking a long time to

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Speaker 4: build that trust up years, but we have it and

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Speaker 4: we're thankful for it, and we're thankful for all of

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Speaker 4: our people.

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Speaker 1: Yes, us in the loop, and yeah, I'll give you

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Speaker 1: props for mentioning. You know, it's not just Signal ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: She is a single person represented by that moniker, but

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Speaker 1: she's reliant on all of these inside connected individuals to

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Speaker 1: provide her with the information and props to all of

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Speaker 1: those who are willing to do it. It's almost as

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Speaker 1: if you're an outlet for whistleblower Signal ninety nine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, it started to give a voice

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Speaker 4: to those that didn't have one for fear of you know,

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Speaker 4: retribution at work. So they have a void.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess, and that's what we're here for.

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Speaker 1: We motivated to reveal that voice, or we motivate the

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Speaker 1: lack of local reporting on the extraordinarily important subject matter

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Speaker 1: that you write about, like you know, Police Chief Washington,

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Speaker 1: which we're going to get here and how why was

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Speaker 1: he terminated police chief Thiji? Why was she put on

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Speaker 1: administrative lee Lord knows. We don't know the answer to

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Speaker 1: that question. Before you know the the impact and ability

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Speaker 1: of iris Roli to direct and control what happens from

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Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati government perspective relative to law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all of these things are so important you

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Speaker 1: would think you'd be reading about them in Channel nine,

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Speaker 1: Channel twelve, Fox nineteen. You might read them on the

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Speaker 1: enquire But there is there are media outlets out there,

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Speaker 1: there are reporting, there's reporting out there, but never seems

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Speaker 1: to pop up in those you know, presumably informed outlets.

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Speaker 4: Well, part of that problem are you know, news directors

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Speaker 4: and uh CEOs and attorneys for the media. You know,

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Speaker 4: they're sometimes hesitant to to dive into that stuff. The

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Speaker 4: other part of it is even the reporters that do

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Speaker 4: want to blow it up, that do want to put

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Speaker 4: it out there, they're constrained legally to jump through eight

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Speaker 4: billion hoops. They've got to get a source it's willing

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Speaker 4: to go on the record. They've got to get permission

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Speaker 4: from the person that took the original video on a

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Speaker 4: cell phone. If they you know, if they want to

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Speaker 4: publish it they have, They're they're constrained by so many

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Speaker 4: things that we're not. So you know, we we vet

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Speaker 4: our sources, we double checked, and we do our best

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Speaker 4: to make sure everything we put out there is factual.

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Speaker 4: But we don't have to do all of that, we

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Speaker 4: just blow it up.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I know, regular report reporters regularly rely

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Speaker 1: on sources that requested anonymity due to the sensitive nature

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Speaker 1: the information. You still get reporting on it, and you're

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Speaker 1: talking about public figures here for the most part, which

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Speaker 1: you know don't enjoy the level of privacy or scrutiny.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps that then reporting on just an everyday citizen have.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to talk about Cheryl Long,

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Speaker 1: you're going to talk about aftab per Boll, youre going

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Speaker 1: to talk about council members, they're all public figures, which

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Speaker 1: is a higher level of a protection journalists have when

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Speaker 1: reporting on these matters. So I questioned the reluctance to

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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 4: Well, for instance, remember when we posted the actual repo

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Speaker 4: order on the mayor's car last year right after the election.

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Speaker 4: So that's not a public document. So Ford Motor Credit

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Speaker 4: was really upset that we got a hold of that.

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Speaker 4: But the media could not get a copy of that

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Speaker 4: because it's not available in a public records request. That is,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's just not So they were very frustrated

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Speaker 4: because that was a big news story for them and

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Speaker 4: they all wanted to blow it up and they just couldn't.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's why we had to get a copy of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's why.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we we fill that void.

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Speaker 1: That's why we love talking to you. Signal ninety nine

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Speaker 1: and a very reliable source of information. I got to

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Speaker 1: double down on that point. So it's worthy to follower

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Speaker 1: and see what she's up to, because she'll have the

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Speaker 1: information for anybody else. All Right, real quick here, before

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Speaker 1: we get to Police Chief Washington and the current proceedings

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Speaker 1: that are going on relative to him, how about your

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Speaker 1: reaction to the survey about how people feel about the

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Speaker 1: police this recent survey that was released by Downtown Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: They crunch these numbers every couple of years, and it

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Speaker 1: didn't look like the figures were good across the board.

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Speaker 1: But how safety you feel in your neighborhood fifty percent

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Speaker 1: satisfied or very satisfied. That kind of question your reaction

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Speaker 1: to how residents feel, And there was a comical argument

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Speaker 1: that was made in response to this satisfaction survey generally, well,

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Speaker 1: we just need to convince people that they're wrong in

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Speaker 1: their perception. In other words, we need a better men

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Speaker 1: messaging campaign. You don't don't believe your own eyes, don't

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Speaker 1: believe your own experiences, just believe in our new public

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Speaker 1: relations spin on things.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what I find most interesting about that, Brian,

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Speaker 4: is that they had the result in October of last year.

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Speaker 4: So why did they wait until March of this year

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Speaker 4: to publish it?

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Speaker 3: Because they didn't.

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Speaker 4: They didn't want to do it before the election, obviously,

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Speaker 4: and I think I think that they they knew how

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Speaker 4: bad it was going to look, and they thought serving

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Speaker 4: up Chief Tigi might offset that a little bit, they

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Speaker 4: could toint the finger at her. But no, I mean,

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Speaker 4: it wasn't Chief Fiji on the TV or talk to

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Speaker 4: you know, the press all the time, saying the city's safe,

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Speaker 4: Come enjoy the city, it's perfectly safe. That was the mayor.

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Speaker 4: That wasn't Chief Figi. That was the mayor telling everybody

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Speaker 4: that nobody bought it, and that survey pretty much shows that.

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess I got to ask you a point

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Speaker 1: of question, Seine how could anyone buy it? They put

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Speaker 1: her on administrative lead but didn't cite a single thing

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Speaker 1: as a justification for placing our administrative leave, and to

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Speaker 1: this day we still.

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Speaker 2: Don't know why.

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Speaker 4: Well, and that's why they keep extending the investigations. Yes,

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Speaker 4: because they're looking for anything, anything to justify terminating her.

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Speaker 4: And I believe they're going to come up with some

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Speaker 4: really ridiculous reason to justify termination. I think they're going

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Speaker 4: to do that, okay, and then that'll be just one

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Speaker 4: more huge loss against the city.

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Speaker 1: Well we know that's coming, and we'll talk about Chief

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Speaker 1: Washington next in terms of big lawsuits coming at the city.

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Speaker 1: But how could they hope to have any credibility. They

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Speaker 1: can't cite anything at all now to justify the administrative

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Speaker 1: leave to hire this law firm, the extend the law

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Speaker 1: firms contract a couple of extra months to keep looking

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Speaker 1: and looking and looking. She's got more than thirty years

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Speaker 1: of public service as a police officer, and you know,

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Speaker 1: a fairly storied career. Her entire family's been involved in

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Speaker 1: law enforcement. I mean, it's a really well respected family.

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Speaker 1: But if this law firm were to find something in

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Speaker 1: the thirty plus year career in the records that belonged

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Speaker 1: to Police Chief DG. How in God's name are they

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Speaker 1: going to justify last summer's administrative leave placement if it

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Speaker 1: takes them this long to find really anything that's critical

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Speaker 1: of Fiji's tenure as a police officer, let alone as

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Speaker 1: wild police chief.

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Speaker 4: Well, not only that, but how much did this is

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Speaker 4: this investigation costs in the taxpayers?

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Speaker 1: That's a good question. Initially I believe it was forty

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Whether or not the law firm is providing

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Speaker 1: pro bono work on it right now remains to be seen.

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Speaker 1: Let's pause. We'll bring Signal ninety nine back quite a

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Speaker 1: few topics that go over with her this morning, including

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Speaker 1: yet care and see the talk station see I think

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Speaker 1: about KARCD talk station Brian Thomas with Signal ninety nine again,

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Speaker 1: recommendation strong one for anybody in the greater Cincinnatia wants

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Speaker 1: to know about the shenanigans going on in downtown and

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Speaker 1: there are seemingly an endless list of those kind of

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Speaker 1: problems going on. Signal ninety nine gets the info, passes

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Speaker 1: along to you and me and we get to learn

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Speaker 1: all about it. And let's pivot over to former chief

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Speaker 1: fire Chief Michael Washington, and good morning, mister Washington. It's

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Speaker 1: a pleasure having him out there listening to the program.

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Speaker 1: Someone told me he was first Cincinnati fireteeth to be

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Speaker 1: fired from the position, and it was under very questionable circumstances,

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Speaker 1: which led him to file a lawsuit claiming his dismissal

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Speaker 1: was unjust and unlawful. So now we're at the process

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Speaker 1: where the City of Cincinnati is claiming that they're entitled

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Speaker 1: to qualified immunity. Now this is a due process claim.

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Speaker 1: The city claim, accordingly to his allegations, violated his due

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Speaker 1: process rights and defamed his character. So the looming question is, well,

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Speaker 1: even if the city violated mister Washington's rights, the lesson

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Speaker 1: titled to qualified immunity. There was an oral argument in

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Speaker 1: court the other day on this one, signal ninety nine.

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Speaker 1: Where are we.

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Speaker 4: Well? The argument was actually yesterday. Did you get a

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Speaker 4: chance to listen to it?

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Speaker 1: I didn't get I know you posted it. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for doing so. I haven't had a chance to listen

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Speaker 1: to it yet. I just realized this morning that you

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Speaker 1: had posted the arguments in court.

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Speaker 4: So it was phenomenal. So let me just say it's

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Speaker 4: about share a long qualified immunity. It's about not only

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Speaker 4: did she deny Keith Washington due process? She absolutely did,

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Speaker 4: but it's also about you know, she wants protection underqualified immunity,

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Speaker 4: but malisiousness also takes that off the table, so they're

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Speaker 4: getting her kind of two ways. From Sunday and Stephen

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Speaker 4: m the attorney for Mike Washington, I just have to

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Speaker 4: say he's the greatest attorney of all time. He's also

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Speaker 4: my attorney, and I love it. He did a phenomenal

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Speaker 4: job yesterday. He kind of schooled the federal court and

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Speaker 4: I was so impressed. Well, the city solicitor seemed to

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Speaker 4: be desperately struggling tread and water, and I don't think

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Speaker 4: they're going to farewell. I think this decision is going

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Speaker 4: to be handed down and the city's not going to

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Speaker 4: be happy, and this is their last ditch effort to

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Speaker 4: stall this. I think Cheryl Long is going to be

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Speaker 4: on the hook big time. I think they are going

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Speaker 4: to stay with the lower court's decision and I don't

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Speaker 4: see them overturning it. Personally, that's my thoughts about it.

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Speaker 1: And from a procedural posture, it's important for those who

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01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: are not following his close attention to Signal ninety nine

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01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 1: is yes. At the lower court level, this is an

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01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 1: appeal from the city. Lower court found that they that

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Speaker 1: she did not enjoy qualified immunity, and so the appealed that.

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Speaker 1: And that was what the argument was about in front

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Speaker 1: of the Pillar Court yesterday. If I got that right

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Speaker 1: from a procedural posture standpoint, yes, and.

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Speaker 4: And you know the real question is did it even

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Speaker 4: belong in federal court? I would say no two times down.

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Speaker 4: I think the city is ridiculous, But I also think

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Speaker 4: that they're going to get schooled very very very much so.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's going to cost them a lot

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01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 4: of money. Well, you know, the more they want to

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01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 4: mess around, you know, just keep adding zeros to that lawsuit.

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Speaker 1: And don't forget attorney's fees. I see. I'm thinking Stephen

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01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 1: m is paying close attention to his hourly billable charges

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Speaker 1: and what will apply when he asks for reimbursement from

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Speaker 1: the City of Cincinnati for his attorney's fees. That's going

1521
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 1: to be a sizeable amount.

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Speaker 6: I imagine.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I guarantee you it will.

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Speaker 1: This goes back and agree that years three years I'll

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01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 1: tell you what. Yeah, yeah, three years this month. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I want to go back when we when we

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Speaker 1: return from break, because I want you to fresh everybody's recollection,

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01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: including mine. Quite honestly, what was originally the argument was

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01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 1: that justified his dismissal because I think, unlike Police Chief

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01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 1: Teresa Thiji, being placed on administratively with literally no specific claim,

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Speaker 1: that they did make up some specific allegations which the

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01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 1: city claimed justified City Manager Long's decision to dismiss him.

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Speaker 1: So let's we'll bring back and we'll get a conclusion

1534
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 1: to wrap up on what's going on with with fire

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01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 1: chief former fire Chief Washington. I guess he probably will

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01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 1: get his job back too. On top of things that

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01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: Sita here fifty five KRCD talk station, Brian Thomas with

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01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine, the source of some really great information.

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01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 1: You can follow her on Facebook because I recommend you

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01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 1: do fortunate enough to get her here on the fifty

1541
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 1: five KARSS Morning Show. And I appreciate your friendship with

1542
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: Joe Strecker. So I get the opportunity to talk with

1543
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 1: the Signal ninety nine, depriving others of that opportunity. We're

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01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 1: talking about right now, Michael Washington, former CINCINNTI fire chief

1545
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: who was terminated three years ago, first chief to be

1546
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: fired from the position under allegation of some concerns over

1547
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 1: I guess workplace culture or something. So right now. The

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01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 1: argument of federal court yesterday on appeal, and this was

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Speaker 1: made in a trial court in the lower court as well,

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01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,680
Speaker 1: that it's qualified immunity. So you don't get to the

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01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: argument of qualified immunity until you address the wrongful termination claim.

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01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:20,440
Speaker 1: So he goes into court and says, hey, you violated

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01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: my due process right you terminated me unlawfully. There was

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01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 1: no reason for it. The defense would be no, no, no,

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01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:31,640
Speaker 1: here are the specific allegations and justifying why we terminated you.

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01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: Then if you don't believe that, court, we pivot over

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01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: to even if what he says is true, we're still

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01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 1: entitled to immunity. In other words, you can't get any

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01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:43,680
Speaker 1: money out of me because we get qualified immunity, and

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01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: that we would be city manager Cherylong who made the claim.

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Speaker 1: But the allegations beneath it. My understanding is this sprung

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01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: from some women helping women climate survey or something. But

1563
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 1: you need to fill in the blanks on that signal

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01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: ninety nine, so we know what the underlying charges are,

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01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: which basically ruined his reputation.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, there was a couple of grumbly female firefighters

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01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 4: that were did not follow the chain of command. If

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01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 4: they were unhappy that they weren't getting they weren't allowed

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01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 4: to sit in on assistant chief meetings with the chief. Well,

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01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,839
Speaker 4: of course not, they're not assistant chief. So they grumbled

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01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 4: about that Sarah Long allowed them to come directly to

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01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:34,799
Speaker 4: her and constantly give her feedback and information and complain

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01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 4: directly to her, and that's not following the chain of

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Speaker 4: command by any means.

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Speaker 1: Don't they have a collective bargaining agreement, which which uh yeah, okay,

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01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 1: that's what I thought.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So they tried to push that narrative and

1578
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 4: that that wasn't going to really fly. So what they

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01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 4: actually terminated him for. The fire chief has to show

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01:25:56,840 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 4: up for a high rise fire with or without fatalities.

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Speaker 4: They have to show up for fatality fires. Okay, Chief

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01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 4: Washington didn't go to a high rise fire because he

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01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 4: wasn't notified about it. Now that begs the question. Was

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01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 4: he not notified intentionally or was it simply a mistake

1585
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 4: that they forgot to notify him. But the point is

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01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 4: is he missed a high rise fire and that's the

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01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 4: excuse they used for terminating him. However, Chief Wu Tang

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01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 4: Frank McKinley has missed a high rights fire this year

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01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 4: and several fatality fires. So he just never showed up.

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Speaker 4: In fact, at the one fatality fire where there were

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Speaker 4: actually three fatalities, he was at a feedinel dinner with

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01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 4: Sharyl Long, go figure. So it's okay for this chief,

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01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 4: this current chief, to not show up and not he

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01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 4: held a cannibal for any of this. But Michael Washington

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01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 4: misses one high rise fire with no fatalities, and that's

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01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 4: the excuse they used to terminate him. And you know,

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01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 4: I want to go on to say too bright. I

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01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 4: don't know if you know about this, but last year

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01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 4: Chief McKinley was accidentally overpaid ten thousand dollars by the city,

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Speaker 4: and the city caught it. They reached out to him

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01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 4: and then said, hey, we put an extra ten thousand

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01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 4: dollars in your paycheck. You need to pay that back

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01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 4: and he said, oh, yeah, sure, sure I will. Well,

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01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 4: they kept calling, they kept emailing, they kept reaching out,

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01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 4: he didn't pay it back. Take Gardner sheet his wages?

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01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:39,560
Speaker 4: Oh my god, who does that?

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01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 4: I mean, and that's that's that's a public record, so

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01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 4: you know, but he's not been fired for that either. No,

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Speaker 4: it's just really interesting.

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01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: Who doesn't make their car payment?

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01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a car payment twice?

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01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:00,840
Speaker 6: Oh no, I know.

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01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: I had to go back to that since you brought

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01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 1: it up earlier in the segments. Anyway, all right, so

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01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: he doesn't get noticed. So there's no evidence that they

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01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: presented to show that he got noticed of the fatality

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01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: high or high rise fire. So you can't hold him

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01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 1: accountable for that if you don't know about it. How

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01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:17,559
Speaker 1: can you be expected to show up for something you're

1621
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: not aware of? I get that point, But I thought

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01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 1: there was also allegations independent completely of that, that there

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01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: was some kind of workplace culture issues going on that

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01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: led to his termination. Is that not what they ultimately

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01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 1: hung their hat on?

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01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:35,960
Speaker 4: Again, this was the small group of female firefighters that

1627
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 4: demanded to be allowed into the command staff meetings with

1628
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 4: the assistant chief, and and they were told, no, you're

1629
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:48,600
Speaker 4: not an assistant chief. No you're not going to be

1630
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 4: able to sit in on the meeting. You know, we

1631
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 4: discussed personnel issues, things of sensitive natures you cannot sit

1632
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 4: in on. So they grumbled, grumble, grumbled, but they didn't

1633
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 4: take it up the chain file a grievance. They went

1634
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 4: straight to share a long and she let them right

1635
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 4: in her office and heard everything they had to say.

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01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 4: So they were little plants trying to help push him

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01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 4: out the door.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you to you know your

1639
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 1: subject of opinion unless you know for a fact the reasons,

1640
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 1: the motivations. Why were they so interested, Why was Cheryl

1641
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:25,120
Speaker 1: Long so interested in terminating his role as chief of

1642
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: the fire department? Well, what I mean, what was wrong

1643
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: with him?

1644
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 4: Because he questioned a lot of the things that she

1645
01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:36,559
Speaker 4: was trying to implement, for instance, that the DEI step.

1646
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 4: He said, Look, DFD is full of diversity. I'm a

1647
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 4: black fire chief. We've got several, you know, hundreds of

1648
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 4: firefighters that are that are persons of color. We've got

1649
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 4: people within the LGBTQ spectrum, we've got women, you know,

1650
01:29:55,320 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 4: we've got we're already diverse, and we're not going to

1651
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 4: take this dee I candidate and jumped them for promotion

1652
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 4: over somebody who's more qualified and has put in the time.

1653
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 4: So she didn't like that. So, you know, she was

1654
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 4: And here's the thing. She knows absolutely nothing about the

1655
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:20,600
Speaker 4: fire department. She knows nothing about the police department. So

1656
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 4: I mean, really, she knows nothing about being the city managers.

1657
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 4: So she just willie nilly started creating all these things

1658
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:32,679
Speaker 4: that we're going to implement. And he pushed back and said,

1659
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 4: you know, and he didn't just say no, he said

1660
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 4: this is why this is this is why this is

1661
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 4: a bad idea, you know, and he would explain to her.

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Speaker 4: She did not like that, So she doesn't like anybody

1663
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 4: that's that even remotely pushes back. So yeah, it's yeah.

1664
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 4: And so do I think they're going to give Chief

1665
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 4: Washington his job back. I wish, in my hope, my

1666
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,719
Speaker 4: heart of hearts, I hope the city comes to their senses,

1667
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 4: but I just don't see it happening there. Instead, it's

1668
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 4: going to cost the taxpayer millions and millions and millions

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01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:09,840
Speaker 4: of dollars.

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad you inserted the word taxpayer in there,

1671
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: because this is not coming out of Ryl Long's pocket,

1672
01:31:15,080 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 1: is not coming out of Parvol's pocket or Rollies Pocket's

1673
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 1: coming out of the city coffers, which means the taxpayers

1674
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 1: are on the hook for this just ridiculous conduct. Pause.

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Speaker 1: We'll bring back signal ninety nine at seven thirty eight

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01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,639
Speaker 1: right now if you have KCD talks the talk station

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Speaker 1: seven forty fifty five KRCD talk station Bryan Thomas was

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01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,679
Speaker 1: signaled ninety nine. Pivoting over to the relationship the Sincint

1679
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Speaker 1: Police Department, I guess used to have with the federal government.

1680
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Speaker 1: The CPD worked together in partnership with the federal government

1681
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:47,600
Speaker 1: and built this award winning nationally recognized Criminal Gun Intelligence

1682
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: Center CGIIC, And they collect all this data, violent crime

1683
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 1: enforcement data, and they put it together and they use

1684
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 1: it for the purposes of boiling it down and figuring

1685
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 1: out who the bad guys are. So again, celebrated, I got.

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01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:02,720
Speaker 1: The federal government even ponied up some significant funds to

1687
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Speaker 1: help fund overtime for the CGIC, et cetera. And you

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01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 1: did a very detailed report at signal ninety nine on Facebook.

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01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 1: Why was it? What I will argue is why has

1690
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: it been essentially dismantled And all the people in the

1691
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 1: know that built this award winning program have been put

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Speaker 1: by the Wayside Signal ninety nine.

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Speaker 4: Well, you noticed, Brian, they didn't start trying to implode

1694
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 4: it from within until Chief Defu was placed on leads.

1695
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:34,519
Speaker 4: So that begs the question, who stands to gain with

1696
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:42,560
Speaker 4: dismantling SIEGIC and taking out this massively important brain of

1697
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:49,680
Speaker 4: modern violent crime enforcement in the region. So, you know, speculating,

1698
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 4: of course, aside from the criminals getting away with it, Okay,

1699
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 4: they're probably going to rejoice about it, but how does

1700
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Speaker 4: IRUs really feel about this? Is there just too many

1701
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 4: people getting charged through SIEGIK in federal court and doing

1702
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 4: serious times.

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Speaker 1: All federal court, Meaning they can get around the lax

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Speaker 1: law enforcement perception of the Hamilton County judges by filing

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Speaker 1: cases in federal court.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, So you've got to ask yourself, given the mayors

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Speaker 4: really left leaning ideologies, the city managers, most of council,

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Speaker 4: the county prosecutor, the sheriff, and most of the judges

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01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,640
Speaker 4: in Hamta County, you know they all want to you know,

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Speaker 4: kumbai ad out. Oh let's just send them for therapy

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Speaker 4: or you know, you know whatever, let's not send them

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Speaker 4: to prison. They all have they all share this uh

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Speaker 4: reimagined justice for violent crime and all offenders. Well, Cijik

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01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 4: takes that right out of their hands. The prosecutor gets skipped,

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01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 4: the sheriff gets skipped, the court house gets skipped. It

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01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 4: goes straight to federal court. These guys and gals are

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01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 4: are making federal cases. So now that's being sabotaged from within.

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Speaker 4: These people are going to be just going through the

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Speaker 4: motions and county court.

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Speaker 1: Again we wait, and so I guess I have to

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Speaker 1: put an exclamation point on this. The Criminal Gun Intelligence

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01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,679
Speaker 1: Center was wonderful and again noted nationally for its success

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01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 1: and putting together all of this data so they could

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Speaker 1: go to court supported by the data, probable cause charges filed.

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Speaker 1: There will be due process in federal court, they will

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Speaker 1: be entitled to an attorney. They will be able to

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Speaker 1: argue that there should be reasonable doubt. So they're still

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Speaker 1: getting all the benefits of the wonderful criminal justice system.

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Speaker 1: It's just that they're in a different venue. And if

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Speaker 1: to the extent the Criminal Gun Intelligence Center has create

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01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 1: we hated whole cloth or otherwise fabricated data, the defense

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01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 1: attorney's going to figure that out. No, this is real info,

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01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 1: backed by evidence presented in court with an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: defend oneself. So it happens in federal court, happens in

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01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 1: state court. I don't know what the problem is. I

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01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 1: really don't. Other than what you're painting a picture.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, go ahead, no, no, finish ahead.

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01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:28,639
Speaker 4: The problem is too many criminals are going to get

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01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:33,160
Speaker 4: hard several times. That's the problem. So we have to

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01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 4: destroy it. We can't have this. We can't have you know,

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01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:40,560
Speaker 4: we can't bypass our own courthouse full of judges that

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01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 4: are happy just putting people back on EMU or at

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01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 4: a ten percent of a thousand dollars bond and just

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01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 4: letting them roam the streets and keep committing violent crimes.

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01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 4: We you know, softball sentencing. You know, they don't like that, Brian.

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01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 4: They don't like the federal cor I'm federal prosecutors taking

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01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 4: these cases out of their venue. They don't like it.

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01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: Well, I wonder ya going back to the survey we

1749
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:11,680
Speaker 1: talked about earlier, I wonder what the residents of the

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01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 1: city is sin saying how they feel about lacks law

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01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 1: enforcement and lacks sentencing. Because we all know many, many,

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01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 1: many of the folks that have been the criminal justice

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01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: systems are recidivists, and at some point, at some time,

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01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 1: they need to be taught a lesson. If you keep

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01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 1: letting them out the door and allowing them to get

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01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 1: away with violence or maybe even allow them to commit

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01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:34,439
Speaker 1: crimes carrying a firearm when they're already under disability, we

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01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 1: keep hearing about, oh my god, gun violence. We need

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01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 1: to do some bad gun violence. Lock them up, make

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01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 1: or demonstrate, or make an illustration out of them. You know,

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01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 1: the cautionary tale. Gee, I guess I better not carry

1762
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 1: a gun or I'm going to have a problem on

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01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:48,719
Speaker 1: my hands.

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Speaker 3: Gee.

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Speaker 1: I thought that's what law enforcement was supposed to be about.

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Speaker 1: One more was signal ninety nine coming up right now

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Speaker 1: at seven forty eight fifty five KRCD Talks seven fifty

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Speaker 1: one Here fifty five KRCD Talk Station, Happy Friday to

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01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 1: you a couple more minutes here with signal ninety nine.

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01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: My signal ninety nine. My phone's blowing up. So I

1771
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:07,719
Speaker 1: got all kinds of people letting me know they're listening

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01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 1: to and in getting thoroughly enlightened by your revelations here

1773
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: in the morning show, and again follow her on Facebook.

1774
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine. You're going to get these revelations almost

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01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 1: on a daily basis, So boiled down, we have a

1776
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 1: wildly successful evidence gathering program working when cooperating with the

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01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 1: federal government using all the data and resources they have.

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01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 1: It's working well. It's recognized nationally as working, and we

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01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't even need the federal courts. But were it not

1780
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 1: for lax judges and soft on crime judges in Hamilton County, unfortunately,

1781
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 1: we do have a venue in federal court to handle

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01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 1: these matters. There's you know, concurrent jurisdiction federal crimes and

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01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 1: state crimes, but there are federal crimes that were violated here,

1784
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:54,360
Speaker 1: and so why not just hall them into federal court

1785
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: where you know they're going to get justice. But the

1786
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 1: reaction from Cheril Long and the others in basically taking

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01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 1: the win that of the sales of this award winning

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01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,640
Speaker 1: program by replacing them all with a whole bunch of

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01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 1: different people. Are the people that they replaced the creators

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01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 1: with the really experience since SINT police professionals are are

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01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 1: they incapable of continuing the work at the Criminal Judge

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01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:18,599
Speaker 1: Intelligence Center or were they placed in the position because

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01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 1: they're not capable of doing it? And therefore undermined the

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Speaker 1: value of having the program in place Signal ninety nine.

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Speaker 4: These individuals were there from the inception of CIJIK. You've

1796
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 4: got brains of intelligent analysts and supervisors and captains that

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01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:44,080
Speaker 4: have been moved out that are currently being transferred out

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01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 4: and send to places like youth services or patrol, and

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01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:54,840
Speaker 4: it's ridiculous. It's a slap in the face. So here's

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Speaker 4: what I'm going to say, Brian. I'm talking to Sheriff

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01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:02,760
Speaker 4: Stratton in Claremont County. I'm talking to Sheriff Jones and

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01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 4: Butler County. I'm talking to the corner of Hamilton County.

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01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:11,680
Speaker 4: Then somebody step up and say, hey, you know what,

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01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 4: We'll take CIGIC. We'll take CIGIC. We will allow the

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01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 4: ATF and AHSI will take their three point eight million

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01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 4: dollars that they pay for overtime a year for CIGIC

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01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 4: and all of the technology, and you can work out

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01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 4: of our department, and we'll just go ahead and hire

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01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:33,439
Speaker 4: all of these brilliant people that are being transferred out

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01:39:34,120 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 4: to get this division of SIEGIC under the CPD. Just

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01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,519
Speaker 4: hire them, take them. We need it in the region.

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01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 4: It's not just Cincinnati it's.

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Speaker 3: A regional.

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Speaker 4: Gun crime Intelligence Center. So I'm throwing that out there,

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01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:58,000
Speaker 4: so hopefully somebody is willing to sit down with ATF

1816
01:39:58,080 --> 01:40:00,720
Speaker 4: and hs I and say, hey, I'm on over here.

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01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 4: We'd be happy to have you. And I know that

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01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:07,160
Speaker 4: the people involved that are being transferred out are just

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01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 4: passionate enough that they would consider weaving their careers with

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Speaker 4: CPD if they could continue this work somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Else fair enough. I know there's a four hire sign

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01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:21,959
Speaker 1: hanging in a lot of police departments outside of Hamilton

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01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 1: County generally speaking, so there's some excellent opportunities maybe have

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01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,639
Speaker 1: a more stable work life, actually make a decent salary,

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01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 1: and not have to do with the political shenanigans and

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01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:32,800
Speaker 1: nonsense coming out of city Hall here in the Greater

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Speaker 1: in Cincinnati Signal ninety nine. It has been a distinct

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Speaker 1: pleasure having here on the show, as it always is,

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01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 1: and I hope we can do this again. You know,

1830
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 1: it will be nice a week where there aren't any

1831
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 1: revelations that you show if you reveal on your page,

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01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the world's a safe place. There's nothing

1833
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 1: to talk about. You know, I'd still have you on.

1834
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 1: We could talk about something that's less heady, But God

1835
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:54,759
Speaker 1: bless you for the work that you're doing on behalf

1836
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:56,599
Speaker 1: of all of the residents of the city of Cincinnati

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01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:59,639
Speaker 1: and of course Hamilton County and beyond. And I'm sure

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01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:03,559
Speaker 1: that Chief Washington, former Chief Washington appreciate your support of him,

1839
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 1: as do I. And just wait for it. I think

1840
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:08,519
Speaker 1: a big check's going to be written, Signal ninety and

1841
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 1: I hope you have a wonderful weekend. I want to

1842
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:11,720
Speaker 1: thank you again for everything that you do for all

1843
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:12,040
Speaker 1: of us.

1844
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Speaker 4: Hey, Brian, can I tell you one more day?

1845
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

1846
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:21,240
Speaker 4: My little birdies are telling me that Tonnie the Khan

1847
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 4: Pollitt is think about overturning yet another murder conviction. So

1848
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 4: I just want to ask you one question and then

1849
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 4: I'll let you go. Don't you have to have actual

1850
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 4: integrity to run and a conviction integrity unit. So that's

1851
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 4: my big question for the day, the.

1852
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:42,400
Speaker 1: Big concluding rhetorical question. As we've heard company on a Friday,

1853
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 1: I have a wonderful weekend. We will apparently be talking

1854
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 1: again soon, probably about that. Other things. Take care of

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01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 1: Signal ninety nine, don't go away. Navy Seal former Navy

1856
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:53,760
Speaker 1: Seal dom Man he's got a new book to talk

1857
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:55,920
Speaker 1: about and how the Navy Seal play. But it's called

1858
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 1: the name. Time to step up your game. Let's learn

1859
01:41:58,840 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 1: from a Navy Seal. I'm happy to welcome the fifty

1860
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: five Casey Morning Show, and God bless him and all

1861
01:42:03,640 --> 01:42:05,799
Speaker 1: other Navy Seals and everybody else who serves our country.

1862
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 1: Try to do everything we can for the American veteran

1863
01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 1: and active service personnel on the fifty five Casey Morning

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Speaker 1: Show today. I am pleased to bring to the fifty

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Speaker 1: five Casey Morning Show Don Man. And you may very

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01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 1: well know him. You malready recognized his name. He is

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Speaker 1: a decorated combat veteran, motivational keynote speaker, athlete, an author

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Speaker 1: and talk about author. His autobiography Inside Sealed Team six,

1869
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Speaker 1: My Life and Missions with America's Elite Warriors, a national bestseller,

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Speaker 1: also a Washington Post political bestseller. Not only that, his

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01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 1: recent works are Sealed Team six military thrillers. So if

1872
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,679
Speaker 1: you want to work of fiction that is all cloaked

1873
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:45,639
Speaker 1: in actual fact, you got Hunt the Wolf, Hunt the Scorpion,

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01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:48,679
Speaker 1: and Hunt the Falcon. Also other popular books he's written

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Speaker 1: the Navy Seal Survival Handbook the modern day gunslinger. I

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Speaker 1: could go on and on. Don Man, Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: fifty five Carosey Morning Show. Thank you for your service

1878
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:00,080
Speaker 1: to our country and your service to everybody else with

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Speaker 1: your brand new book, The Navy Seal Playbook Principles, Practices

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Speaker 1: and Strategies for Achieving Success. Good to have you here

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Speaker 1: on the show.

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Speaker 5: Oh, thanks so much for having me. It's a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what I got to tell you, I

1884
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of experience. I did not

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Speaker 1: serve my country. I am always impressed because I've seen

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01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 1: some of the training that the Navy Seals have to

1887
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 1: go to and all the hurdles that you have to

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01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 1: overcome to even become a Navy Seal to know that

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01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 1: I could not do it, which will lead me to

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01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 1: another question. But I did get the opportunity, and thank

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01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:32,759
Speaker 1: you to my retired Lieutenant colonel and fifty cow trainer.

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01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:35,280
Speaker 1: I got to go to Camp Adderbury in Indiana on

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01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:40,040
Speaker 1: two occasions now and shoot fifty cows training the Navy Seals.

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01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 1: So that is I got to tell you, man, And

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01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're cut from the same cloth as those guys.

1896
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:51,560
Speaker 1: Those guys are awesome. They're just regular folks. It was

1897
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 1: like watching a bunch of fraternity brothers get together and

1898
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 1: enjoy themselves while they're training on fifty cows and just

1899
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: an impressive group of young men. And if they're representative

1900
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:03,320
Speaker 1: the other Seal teams, these are Seal Teams two and three. Boy,

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Speaker 1: we've we are in great hands when it comes to

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01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 1: defending America's interest.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, well, thanks for saying all that. And you

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01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 5: know there's other ways to serve your country. You said

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01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:16,720
Speaker 5: you then serve, but you're still serving it in what

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01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 5: you do. I believe, and you know there's other ways

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01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 5: we can serve our country. And so as far as

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01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,160
Speaker 5: shooting the fifty cow and a bunch of team guys

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01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 5: sitting together training and shooting a fifty cow, that those

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Speaker 5: are some fun times. Yes, so I can you start

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Speaker 5: them at their finals.

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Speaker 1: And considering the rounds we were shooting were one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty bucks apiece, you know I got some of

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Speaker 1: my taxpayer dollars backed on. Anyhow, Over the Navy Seal Playbook,

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Speaker 1: this what you have done is broken down and you're

1916
01:44:50,439 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 1: obviously here to talk about it. The principles of being

1917
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 1: a Navy Seal and what you apply as a Navy

1918
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: seal operating under extreme pressure, et cetera. And how we

1919
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 1: out here in the regular world can apply those principles.

1920
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,640
Speaker 1: And I want to start with and this lets me

1921
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 1: pivot over. Is there a certain personality type? I mean,

1922
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:10,920
Speaker 1: Navy seals seem to me to be the epitome of

1923
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,080
Speaker 1: bad astery that there is a certain mindset that even

1924
01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 1: wanting to become a Navy seal, that a lot of

1925
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: us just don't have. And I imagine it's the people

1926
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:21,720
Speaker 1: who really don't have maybe that get go spirit, you know,

1927
01:45:21,800 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 1: the idea of overcoming challenges that are in front of

1928
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 1: a little perhaps hesitation to do it, or worry or concern.

1929
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:30,600
Speaker 1: Maybe it's those personality types that you wrote this book for.

1930
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 5: Don your reaction, well, you know, as far as the

1931
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:38,880
Speaker 5: type of person that it takes to become a seal,

1932
01:45:40,240 --> 01:45:42,560
Speaker 5: I've been asked that quite a few times, and I

1933
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 5: don't really have an answer for that, because when you

1934
01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 5: get into the seal teams, you finish buds, and you

1935
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:53,000
Speaker 5: get into any of the seal teams, you realize you're

1936
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:56,360
Speaker 5: around a bunch of people with completely different backgrounds. You

1937
01:45:56,479 --> 01:46:00,160
Speaker 5: might have people who are bikers, or you might have

1938
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 5: like great athletes or scholars, or people whose hobby is religion,

1939
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 5: or you get a group of people come from all

1940
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:12,000
Speaker 5: walks of life, but there's something deeper in them, and

1941
01:46:12,120 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 5: that deeper, that deeper emotion I think it is or

1942
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 5: that what they have inside of them gives them the

1943
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:28,120
Speaker 5: ability to focus on something powerful, which God, country, family

1944
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:31,559
Speaker 5: is how I grew up. But when you get into

1945
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:34,000
Speaker 5: the seals, you know it's going to be tough. And

1946
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 5: all these people, everybody goes through buds. Who doesn't quit?

1947
01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:40,759
Speaker 5: I should say those who finish, they have the ability

1948
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:45,920
Speaker 5: to focus on finishing and the mission objective, no matter

1949
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:49,759
Speaker 5: where they came from, the mission objective is to finish Buds.

1950
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:52,679
Speaker 5: There's going to be one hard evolution at a time,

1951
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:55,120
Speaker 5: and all you have to do is think about getting

1952
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 5: through that evolution. It might be a four mile swim,

1953
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:01,080
Speaker 5: it might be a ten miles off stand run. You

1954
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:03,719
Speaker 5: finish that evolution, you don't even think about anything else.

1955
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 5: And what helped me so much, and I always give

1956
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:10,080
Speaker 5: this advice is not to have a backup plan. Don't

1957
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:12,960
Speaker 5: have any backup plan at all, because if you're laying

1958
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:14,719
Speaker 5: there and you feel like this is torture.

1959
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 6: This is just so grueling.

1960
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 5: I can't take it anymore. I should have been a pilot,

1961
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:21,320
Speaker 5: or I should have been an accountant or a doctor

1962
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:24,680
Speaker 5: or something. Then it needs are to switch paths. But

1963
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:28,800
Speaker 5: if you're so determined that buds is what you want

1964
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 5: and you are going to finish and you're going to

1965
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:34,680
Speaker 5: become a seal, no backup plans. I think that's the

1966
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:37,439
Speaker 5: best way to go at it. And that's what all

1967
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 5: these people have in common. They didn't quit and they

1968
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 5: knew this is all they wanted to do because they

1969
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:47,200
Speaker 5: can focus on the mission of finishing training and then

1970
01:47:47,240 --> 01:47:50,080
Speaker 5: the end goal is to become a seal and go

1971
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 5: work for the you know, if it's got your family,

1972
01:47:53,479 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 5: that's what you're doing.

1973
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:56,560
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I've never heard anybody say don't have a

1974
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 1: backup plan, although I personally have never had one. I

1975
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:00,519
Speaker 1: kind of wait for tomorrow, hard to figure out what

1976
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to do tomorrow. But you know, putting into

1977
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 1: practical terms, as a Navy seal, if you're in the

1978
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 1: foxhole where there are no atheists, you don't have a

1979
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 1: backup plan.

1980
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:16,720
Speaker 5: That's right, And and you know I had the I

1981
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 5: was a triathlete when I was younger, and I used

1982
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:22,479
Speaker 5: to race and train with the best trathletes in the

1983
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:24,800
Speaker 5: world and the number one guy in the world. His

1984
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 5: name was Dave Scott and he became King of Kona.

1985
01:48:28,160 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 5: He was the number one trithlete.

1986
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 1: In the world.

1987
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:32,280
Speaker 5: And I asked him before he won his first Iron Man.

1988
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:35,400
Speaker 5: I said, Dave, how do you stay in such great shape?

1989
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,439
Speaker 5: He said, well, the doctors disagree with me, but I

1990
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 5: don't take any days off. I work out every day

1991
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:43,920
Speaker 5: of the year. So he told me that I was

1992
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:47,600
Speaker 5: very young, I was very impressionable as already. This is

1993
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:50,280
Speaker 5: way before I was a seal. I was thinking, that's

1994
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:51,720
Speaker 5: what I'm going to do. That's going to help me

1995
01:48:51,800 --> 01:48:54,519
Speaker 5: become a seal. So I just worked out every day

1996
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 5: for over twenty years. I never took a day off.

1997
01:48:57,880 --> 01:49:02,200
Speaker 5: And but what's happened? Then I took that great advice

1998
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 5: Dave gave me, and I expanded on it, and then

1999
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 5: I started following this as a principle for my life.

2000
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 6: But what I love sharing with.

2001
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 5: People, especially young people, is if you want to be

2002
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:15,920
Speaker 5: a seal, or if you want to climb mountains, or

2003
01:49:15,960 --> 01:49:17,640
Speaker 5: if you want to go to delta force. So you

2004
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:21,439
Speaker 5: want to just do something tough, there's only four things

2005
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:23,479
Speaker 5: you have to do every day. That's it, just four

2006
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:26,599
Speaker 5: things like I worked out every day because Dave Scott

2007
01:49:26,720 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 5: suggested I should work out every day. I just change

2008
01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 5: it to just do four things every day and you

2009
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:35,360
Speaker 5: can become a Navy seal or whatever else you choose

2010
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 5: to do. And those four things are every day, do

2011
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 5: something that makes you stronger, you know, measure it, make

2012
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 5: sure you're getting stronger. That could be CrossFit, it could

2013
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:48,960
Speaker 5: be going to the gym. It could be doing the

2014
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:52,040
Speaker 5: workouts in your garage. It could be whatever it is,

2015
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 5: pete on the lawn. But every day, make sure you're

2016
01:49:55,400 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 5: getting stronger every day.

2017
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:00,800
Speaker 1: So number two no no, no, no no, no, go ahead,

2018
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,400
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm sorry, Enerjack, go ahead, and.

2019
01:50:03,479 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 5: Number two every day. And this is if you want

2020
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:08,280
Speaker 5: to become a seal. Now, if you want to become

2021
01:50:08,439 --> 01:50:12,400
Speaker 5: something else, you just modify this somewhat. But if you

2022
01:50:12,439 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 5: want to become a seal, every day, do something make

2023
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:17,760
Speaker 5: yourself faster. That could be wind sprints, it could be he'll,

2024
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:21,200
Speaker 5: he'll work. It could be on the track, feed work

2025
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:24,680
Speaker 5: in the pool. You know, doing five hundred meters, you know,

2026
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:26,800
Speaker 5: faster than you did it the last time you did

2027
01:50:26,840 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 5: the five hundred meter swim or the two thousand meter swim.

2028
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:31,200
Speaker 4: But just get faster.

2029
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:33,400
Speaker 5: If you can do one hundred and twenty setups in

2030
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 5: three minutes, do it in two minutes and fifty seconds.

2031
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:40,799
Speaker 5: But so number one, get stronger, Number two, get faster,

2032
01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:45,160
Speaker 5: And then I think more importantly, every day, do something

2033
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 5: to make yourself smarter. So if it is the teams

2034
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:50,920
Speaker 5: you want to get into, look back at the history

2035
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 5: of World War Two, and look what we've done in

2036
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 5: the teams in Vietnam and in all the wars since,

2037
01:50:57,400 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 5: and what's going on now in the ninety plus countries

2038
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:03,400
Speaker 5: the teams are operating in now, and learn to shoot

2039
01:51:03,479 --> 01:51:05,600
Speaker 5: and learn about weapons, and learn to go take a

2040
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:09,320
Speaker 5: skydiving course and a scooba course, and just get smarter

2041
01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:11,360
Speaker 5: every day. So at the end of the day when

2042
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:14,960
Speaker 5: you go to bed, you know I've become stronger, I'm faster,

2043
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:18,080
Speaker 5: and I'm smarter than I was yesterday. And then number four,

2044
01:51:18,160 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 5: I think is the most important thing is every day

2045
01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:25,800
Speaker 5: do something good for somebody. And that could be your mother,

2046
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:28,759
Speaker 5: it can be your wife, it could be the neighbor

2047
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:32,439
Speaker 5: next door struggling to carry out the garbage. But just

2048
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:36,640
Speaker 5: do something good for somebody every day, because by the

2049
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:39,040
Speaker 5: end of it, if I'm talking to a twelve or

2050
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 5: a fifteen year old and they take this advice, which

2051
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 5: I wish I did at that age, they might just

2052
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:49,160
Speaker 5: wind up at selection or at BUDS, maybe being the

2053
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:52,200
Speaker 5: strongest and the fastest, the one who knows more about

2054
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:55,080
Speaker 5: what's going on, what they're getting into, and the one

2055
01:51:55,160 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 5: everyone wants on the team because they're such a good

2056
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:01,880
Speaker 5: teammate and a team player. So Dave Scott, that triathlete,

2057
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:05,759
Speaker 5: when he gave me that piece of advice, that shaped

2058
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:07,360
Speaker 5: my whole life, and he didn't even know it. I

2059
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 5: was just a triathlete there. I was trying to do

2060
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:13,519
Speaker 5: a thousand competitions to prepare myself for Buds and the

2061
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:15,920
Speaker 5: Iron Man to some of the competitions I was doing,

2062
01:52:16,479 --> 01:52:18,600
Speaker 5: and he gave me that as advice to be a

2063
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:21,240
Speaker 5: great triathlete. But now I've just added a couple of

2064
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:23,920
Speaker 5: components to it for people who want to become seals.

2065
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 1: Okay, now pivoting over, because this is great life advice

2066
01:52:27,680 --> 01:52:30,000
Speaker 1: generally speaking, but pivoting over from those who might want

2067
01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:32,200
Speaker 1: to become seals and applying the principles that you learn

2068
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:36,479
Speaker 1: to become a seal to Let's say, I know there's

2069
01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:39,960
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of anxiety and stress out there. How

2070
01:52:40,040 --> 01:52:43,639
Speaker 1: does one and this involves I guess a good sizable

2071
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:46,320
Speaker 1: amount of discipline on the part of people out there

2072
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 1: trying to deal with life day in and day out.

2073
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 1: They need to have this cognitive mental discipline. They need

2074
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,439
Speaker 1: to have a daily structure, as I understand from what

2075
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:56,040
Speaker 1: you write, have consistent habits. But in terms of strengthening

2076
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:59,320
Speaker 1: mental toughness in this crazy world we live, how do

2077
01:52:59,439 --> 01:53:02,200
Speaker 1: you train people to deal with moments of uncertainty and stress.

2078
01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:09,960
Speaker 5: M Well, you know, you get inoculated to stress and

2079
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:15,439
Speaker 5: a lot of shooting and a lot of explosions and

2080
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:19,000
Speaker 5: a lot of chaos is going on all around you

2081
01:53:19,120 --> 01:53:22,679
Speaker 5: in training. And if you tuck someone off the street

2082
01:53:22,720 --> 01:53:25,200
Speaker 5: and you put them in one day training, they could

2083
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:28,080
Speaker 5: have a heart attack, you know, because it's so chaotic.

2084
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:32,680
Speaker 5: But this becomes a daily ritual. This is just what

2085
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:37,640
Speaker 5: happens every day in life. And and we have this

2086
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:41,880
Speaker 5: thing where most all the seals, I'd have to say,

2087
01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 5: every seal I know when something terrible has happened, a

2088
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:50,759
Speaker 5: shooting or a helicopter crash or something terrible has happened,

2089
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:57,400
Speaker 5: have the ability to stay calm. For instance, there I

2090
01:53:57,640 --> 01:54:00,720
Speaker 5: was at a I was involved, and there was a

2091
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:03,840
Speaker 5: helicopter crash, and I don't want to get too graphic,

2092
01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:07,519
Speaker 5: but one of the young rangers was decapitated by the

2093
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 5: rear rotor and I was right there, and I was

2094
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:14,960
Speaker 5: there helping them out, and while helping out the others

2095
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:17,560
Speaker 5: who were part of the crash, and of course the

2096
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:20,840
Speaker 5: one who was decapitated died, but the others didn't die.

2097
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:25,439
Speaker 5: And it was just taking care of those guys, saying

2098
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 5: calm under pressure, getting these guys on the helo. And

2099
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:34,440
Speaker 5: the best situation, the best example I have ever seen,

2100
01:54:34,600 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 5: is when our three star general came up. My mouth

2101
01:54:37,680 --> 01:54:40,440
Speaker 5: was filled with blood from doing mouth to mouth on

2102
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:43,000
Speaker 5: mouth to crike on one of the guys, and I

2103
01:54:43,080 --> 01:54:45,920
Speaker 5: was covered with blood. There were senators and congressmen there,

2104
01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:50,400
Speaker 5: and this was a demonstration at Fort Bragg, and this

2105
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:53,880
Speaker 5: three star general was in charge of everything. This helicopter crash,

2106
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:57,280
Speaker 5: and there was a decapitated soldier on the ground, and

2107
01:54:57,600 --> 01:54:59,680
Speaker 5: then I was covered with blood helping these people, and

2108
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,280
Speaker 5: I was, I was taking care of all the medical emergencies.

2109
01:55:03,200 --> 01:55:06,240
Speaker 5: And he came up to me and he said, why

2110
01:55:06,280 --> 01:55:08,360
Speaker 5: didn't you go rinse off your face in your mouth?

2111
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 5: The show must go on, meaning what you have to

2112
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:14,920
Speaker 5: do now is the shooting demonstration and climbing demonstration. He

2113
01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:18,560
Speaker 5: was so calm under pressure. And whenever I think of

2114
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:22,320
Speaker 5: times under pressure, I was captured at one time and

2115
01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:25,920
Speaker 5: I felt calm. I knew I wasn't going to be killed.

2116
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:29,520
Speaker 5: I knew these guys weren't going to kill us. I

2117
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:32,720
Speaker 5: wasn't right in knowing that, but that's what I believed.

2118
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:36,200
Speaker 5: And you just know you're going to come out victorious.

2119
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:40,560
Speaker 5: And when things go wrong all around you and you

2120
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:45,960
Speaker 5: stay basically because your training from day one has built

2121
01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:54,160
Speaker 5: you built a foundation around you, so you're inoculator. Things happen, explosions,

2122
01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:57,480
Speaker 5: gun shoots, you know, now somebody wounded.

2123
01:55:57,600 --> 01:55:59,680
Speaker 6: Things get bigger and bigger and bigger.

2124
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:04,760
Speaker 5: But you're trained to react and stay calm because when

2125
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:08,840
Speaker 5: you are, you can react with one hundred percent of

2126
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:09,760
Speaker 5: your faculties.

2127
01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:12,000
Speaker 2: And that you know if you're not calm.

2128
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:15,560
Speaker 5: And you're going fastic and you lose control yourself. You

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Speaker 1: As a seal, if you break down, we know what

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Speaker 1: fifth kr CD talk station Happy Friday. Every Friday at

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Speaker 1: this time we get to hear from Jack Winsor, and

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Speaker 1: I recommend you to check out his website, The Ohio

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Speaker 1: Pressnetwork dot com. Doing a great job reporting on matters

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Speaker 1: going on in Ohio and always interesting and insightful reporting.

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Speaker 1: It is Jack Winsor. Welcome back to the Morning show.

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Speaker 1: It's always great hearing from you, Brian.

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Speaker 2: It's an honor to be here. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Good to see you in Joe this morning.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say hearing from you, but I also

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Speaker 1: get the benefit of seeing you. We get the zoom link,

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Speaker 1: which it makes things a lot easier. You're not in studio,

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Speaker 1: but you're the next closest thing to being in studio,

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Speaker 1: all right, right there at the Ohio Pressnetwork dot com.

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Speaker 1: You got the report here. It's a couple of days old,

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Speaker 1: but the poll that you reported on showing it's a

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Speaker 1: neck and neck race for governor. In other words, vive

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Speaker 1: Ramaswami and Amy Acton there's no space between him in polling.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I find that really really hard to believe,

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Speaker 1: and I've got some theories on that. But Amy lockdown acting,

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Speaker 1: I mean, do people have that short of memory?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: It is quite a pickle we find ourselves in Look,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk about how this will probably shift as we're

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Speaker 2: seven months out, as we get closer to election day,

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Speaker 2: but the lead is within the margin of error. It's

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Speaker 2: about forty six to forty five. And I think what's

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Speaker 2: really important, Brian, when you dive into the cross tabs

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Speaker 2: and see that she actually curries favor obviously with Democrats,

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Speaker 2: but not as much with Democrats as Vivek does with Republicans,

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Speaker 2: and she curries more favor with Independence, and independence in

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Speaker 2: a close election will decide the election. But what really

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Speaker 2: strengthens her position currently is that more people trust her

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Speaker 2: to bring down health care costs, and they trust her

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Speaker 2: with health care. But when you get to the matters

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Speaker 2: that I think are going to drive the election, such

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Speaker 2: as the economy, the vaik Ramaswami has about a six

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Speaker 2: to six and a half point lead where that is concerned.

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Speaker 2: More people trust him with the economy here in the

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Speaker 2: Buckeye State than Acting, and they trust him more with

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Speaker 2: respect to the border and immigration.

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Speaker 1: Well, upon what do people conclude that Amy acting is

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Speaker 1: better on healthcare? I mean, healthcare is probably more appropriately

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Speaker 1: looked at as a federal problem, an entire country level problem.

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Speaker 1: And what the hell, can Amy Actin do to bring

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Speaker 1: down the cost of healthcare in the state of Ohio

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Speaker 1: by itself? And what specific credibility does she have or

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Speaker 1: theories or platform proposals does she have to bring that

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Speaker 1: about or is it just something that people make up

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Speaker 1: in their head because it's doctor Amy Actin.

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Speaker 2: I think that's it.

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Speaker 1: The matter that's dumb.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is dumb. Let's wear a lab coat. Let's

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Speaker 2: put a doctor in front of our name. Not gonna Fauci.

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Speaker 1: Anybody remember doctor Fauci?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah he delivered, didn't we Uh.

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Speaker 2: Huh, masks and get your boost a shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, I just pulled that whole cloth

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Speaker 1: out of my sphincter. Yeah, ten feet met nothing. I

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Speaker 1: just randomly grab that number or six feet or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Uh uh.

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Speaker 2: So you know, Amy's gonna talk a lot about reducing

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Speaker 2: health care costs for families and in education, economy and

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Speaker 2: jobs and anti corruption. I just for me, I think

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Speaker 2: as we get closer to the election, people are gonna

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Speaker 2: remember Brian. I mean a couple of things I can

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Speaker 2: pull from the top of my head. Remember she came

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Speaker 2: out with the wrong curve altogether, That University of Washington

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Speaker 2: curve that showed everybody was going to die, didn't matter

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Speaker 2: if you were aged, didn't matter if you were co morbid,

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Speaker 2: and certainly overstated deaths for people who were healthy and

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Speaker 2: not at greater risk, and fear mongered every day. If

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Speaker 2: you remember, she used phrases like category five hurricane and

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Speaker 2: horrors and hell and shut down schools. And I think

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Speaker 2: the other thing that really pissed people off she chose

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Speaker 2: winners and losers among businesses, and the choices were extremely arbitrary.

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Speaker 2: Big box stores. You could go get a jewelry piece

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Speaker 2: of jewelry at a big box store, but Jane and

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Speaker 2: Jim's jewelry store in downtown Ashland was close because Amy

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Speaker 2: acting said so canceled a primary election. And frankly, I

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Speaker 2: think she really tried to mitigate things with the wrecking

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Speaker 2: ball instead of instead of a scalpel, and we had it.

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Speaker 2: And here's the lie that we have to remember. People said, well,

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Speaker 2: we didn't know later on, or we didn't know early on.

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Speaker 2: What we knew later on, bunk. We knew when the

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Speaker 2: numbers came out from overseas that it was the aged

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Speaker 2: and it was the people with comorbiditness for the greatest

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Speaker 2: risk YEP, all right, well, no, I se she She

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Speaker 2: just operated with the wrecking ball, guilted and shamed people,

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Speaker 2: and she and Governor Dwine did a hell of a

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Speaker 2: job of creating two groups of people, the Maskers and

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Speaker 2: the anti maskers, the Baxers and the anti vaxers. And

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Speaker 2: the press ran with that. And if you were not

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Speaker 2: on team Dwine and Acting, they shamed you and acted

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Speaker 2: like you were stupid. As it turns out, the people

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Speaker 2: who didn't believe, but Amy Acting believed were right. So

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Speaker 2: I think people will remember that as we get closer

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Speaker 2: to the election.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be the vast majority of my listening audience.

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Speaker 1: So there you have it. I don't think they're going

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Speaker 1: to have short memories when it comes to Amy Act

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Speaker 1: and is she the one that came up with You

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Speaker 1: can stay in the bar, but you're not allowed to

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Speaker 1: drink after ten. That's been my favorite illustration of just

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Speaker 1: epic stupidity. On its face, it just sounds dumb, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Because COVID comes out after ten. It's like a bad

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Speaker 2: guy just comes out after ten.

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Speaker 1: No, but only if you're drinking, jack, but only if

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Speaker 1: you're drinking Only.

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Speaker 2: If you're drinking, and I'm a little bit on the

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Speaker 2: shorter side. My argument used to be, and people would

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Speaker 2: get mad because I always thought masks for a joke.

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Speaker 2: I talked to an industrial hygienis he told me masks

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Speaker 2: for a joke. I was short, and I would I

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Speaker 2: would just say if somebody approached me and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: I don't have to wear a mask, because me standing

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Speaker 2: up is like you sitting down, and when you sit

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Speaker 2: down you can take your mask off, so I don't

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Speaker 2: need a mask. I mean, the rules were arbitrary, they

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Speaker 2: were insane, and I think a lot of people as

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Speaker 2: it went on saw through it, and I think they're

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Speaker 2: gonna remember it well.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to think so. And of course, once the

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Speaker 1: advertising campaigns kick in and earnest this, of course will

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Speaker 1: be after the primary, you're gonna get Ramaswami's full on assault,

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Speaker 1: reminding everyone of that who have short memories, and of course,

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Speaker 1: contrasting where she is and her actual ability to do anything, like, gee,

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Speaker 1: what do you think Amy Act can actually do to

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Speaker 1: bring down the cost of health care? She's going to

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Speaker 1: lay hands or something. And finally, you said, in connection

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Speaker 1: with education, I don't know where she is, but I'm

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Speaker 1: a huge fan of school choice, and I think most

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Speaker 1: of my listening audiences it's a great opportunity for us

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Speaker 1: to make our own choices. Knew, who knows better than

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Speaker 1: a mom or dad or family members about the best

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Speaker 1: place for any child to be or at least to

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Speaker 1: have options when you know your public school options sucks

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Speaker 1: based upon test scores alone. Where is she relative to

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Speaker 1: the teachers' unions and her position on some sort of

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Speaker 1: choice for us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm going to go back and I'm going

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Speaker 2: to punch on one topic and then flip forward to that.

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Speaker 2: We cannot forget Ohio was among the first states to

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Speaker 2: close all schools statewide. So if Amy Acton cared about schools,

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Speaker 2: she could have showed us that in twenty twenty excellent,

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Speaker 2: and they prolonged the remote hybrid learning, which contributed to

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Speaker 2: documented learning loss, mental health crisis among youth, and certainly

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Speaker 2: widened achievement gaps, particularly in poorer districts. So we can

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Speaker 2: never ever forget about that. So that's number one, and

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Speaker 2: then number two, what Amy Acting believes in, which is

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Speaker 2: exactly what teacher unions believe in. They want students locked

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Speaker 2: into a zip code or a district, And when you

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Speaker 2: widen learning gaps, when you create environments where students are

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Speaker 2: not able to uptake education the way that they can

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Speaker 2: in other schools, why do you want to lock them

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Speaker 2: into those districts? And that's the great thing about school choice.

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Speaker 2: Some students have particular supports that they need that certain

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Speaker 2: districts don't provide. As a parent, why would I not

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Speaker 2: want my kid to go to a school where he

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Speaker 2: or she can get the proper support? And why do

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Speaker 2: I want my kid locked into a zip code? And

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go here East Cleveland? Why would I

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Speaker 2: want my kid locked into a zip code at East

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Speaker 2: Cleveland or Columbus City schools? If they can go get

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Speaker 2: a better education somewhere else, why would you not be

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Speaker 2: in support of that.

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Speaker 1: Listen, we've got since any classical academy here, and they

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Speaker 1: got people lined up for a mile and a half

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Speaker 1: to try to get into that place, and they do

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Speaker 1: not have a jurisdictional limitation. You can come from miles

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Speaker 1: and miles away if you can make that trip and

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02:04:56,200 --> 02:04:58,680
Speaker 1: work things out with your neighbors, maybe ride share, otherwise,

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Speaker 1: come up with a transportation of coommodations. You're in the

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Speaker 1: best possible hands, and who wouldn't want that for their child?

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Speaker 1: So remember that we'll fast forward real quick before part

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Speaker 1: of a company on that particular topic will bring it

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Speaker 1: back to talk about what the hell is House Bill

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Speaker 1: three forty seven. I noticed viv Ramaswam. He's been running

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Speaker 1: a lot of ads lately, television ads. Is this because

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Speaker 1: of the primary? Is he concerned that this putsch guy's

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Speaker 1: got a chance? He had a melt down on my show,

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Speaker 1: and I've kind of not been a fan of the

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Speaker 1: guy since then. But I know I have been told

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Speaker 1: time and time again people in the know and people

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Speaker 1: heard direct comments to the effect that they're not voting

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Speaker 1: for VV. Ramaswami because brown Hindu man and weird name.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I am disgusted that anyone would come to

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Speaker 1: that conclusion because it sounds horrifically racist and glad we

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Speaker 1: don't live in a theocracy. And I know mister Ramaswami

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Speaker 1: can't make me worship any particular religion, But is that

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Speaker 1: a real factor, Jack Windsor from what you've been hearing.

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Speaker 2: Republicans are master marksmen in the circular fire squad. I'll

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Speaker 2: keep it at that. And in a primary election, you're

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Speaker 2: going to find a chink in anyone's armor. And I

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Speaker 2: think Casey Push appeals to certain people. And I'm going

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Speaker 2: to say certain people like the Joe Blistone audience, people

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Speaker 2: who want an outsider, people who want somebody who says, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'm not a politician, I'm an auto mechanic, or I'm

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Speaker 2: a farmer. Listen. I've had Casey on my show twice.

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Speaker 2: I've given him a fair opportunity. I think that he

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Speaker 2: really appeals to people who want somebody from the outside.

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Speaker 2: But I don't think I think he's quasimoto. I think

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Speaker 2: he's a guy who just says I want something done differently.

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Speaker 2: And outside of that, I've not seen him form a

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Speaker 2: very cohesive, strong foundation upon which he could run and

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Speaker 2: win a primary election.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, we'll pause, bring Jack Windsor back to talk

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Speaker 1: about House Bill three forty seven. We'll also be talking

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Speaker 1: a little bit later about club is trying to act

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Speaker 1: what is described on my sheet here as a side

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Speaker 1: hustle tax more with Jack Hey forty one. If vid

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Speaker 1: about KERCD talk station, you can find Jack Winsor online

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Speaker 1: if you o high pressnetwork dot com. Great reporting there,

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Speaker 1: hell says the Windsor Report. You can find the Windsor Report.

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Speaker 1: He's the host of that on Zoom. And he also

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Speaker 1: is following something we have to learn about Ohio House

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Speaker 1: Bill three forty seven. Jack, where is that?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: First off, what is this about? And where is it

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Speaker 1: in process?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I hope that I'm giving you the right one here.

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Speaker 2: This would be the bill that would require a twenty

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Speaker 2: four hour waiting period for abortions. Is that the right

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Speaker 2: one that we're talking about?

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Speaker 1: I do believe it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, perfect, perfect. So I put out a quick

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Speaker 2: survey I think that's always important for me, the people

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Speaker 2: who follow me on social media, and the question was

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Speaker 2: do you support a twenty four hour waiting period for

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Speaker 2: an abortion? And eighty five point seven percent do, eight

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Speaker 2: point two percent don't, and then the rest are filtered

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Speaker 2: in between unsure and other. And so what this bill

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Speaker 2: does is it promotes It says that it promotes informed

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Speaker 2: consent and reflection. So if somebody wants an abortion, they

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Speaker 2: must wait twenty four hours. The idea is to build sponsors.

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Speaker 2: This will reduce regret. Proponents claim the mandatory pause allows

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Speaker 2: individuals to think through long term implications, possibly leading some

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Speaker 2: to choose continuation of pregnancy or other options after reflection,

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Speaker 2: and they say that it aligns with other medical procedures.

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Speaker 2: So there are elective cosmetic surgeries, for example, sterilization or

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Speaker 2: certain cancer treatments that require you to wait twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: And the important part I think too, that they'll talk

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Speaker 2: more about the proponents that is, is that it protects

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Speaker 2: against coercion and impulsivity. There are women, unfortunately, who might

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Speaker 2: be trafficked and they're under pressure, or there are women

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Speaker 2: who are in abusive relationships and the father of the

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Speaker 2: child says, look, you're going to get that abortion. And

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Speaker 2: the belief is this twenty four hour waiting period might

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Speaker 2: save some lives, and it might help women who are

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Speaker 2: being coerced or doing it impulsively from not doing it.

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Speaker 2: Those are the pro sides of the build and certainly

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Speaker 2: tractors have a laundry list of things like it would

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Speaker 2: create unnecessary barriers for timely care, that it would disproportionately

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Speaker 2: impact vulnerable groups, low income individuals, for example, that it

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Speaker 2: conflicts with Ohio's constitutional reproductive rights amendment. That's what the

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Speaker 2: ACLU is arguing, and that there's little evidence of medical

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Speaker 2: benefit and that increases cost and logistical challenges, saying, hey,

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02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:28,000
Speaker 2: this mom might have to take off work, and so

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Speaker 2: she goes to one appointment, can't get the abortion, will

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Speaker 2: have to take off work again. It will be a

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Speaker 2: hotly contested and debated bill. But as I kind of

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Speaker 2: put my or finger in the air, it looks like

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of support for a twenty four hour

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Speaker 2: waiting period as it sits right.

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Speaker 1: Now, Okay, the twenty four hour waiting period is to

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Speaker 1: prevent women from making hasty decisions that will result in

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Speaker 1: perhaps regret over terminating a life. Right, fair enough, aren't

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02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:53,680
Speaker 1: the left wingers who are all about abortion and abortion

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Speaker 1: on demand and abortion at like eight and a half

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Speaker 1: point nine months or whatever pregnancy. They're probably the same

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Speaker 1: folks that would demand a way waiting period for the

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Speaker 1: purchase of firearms, because quite often people will hurry up

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Speaker 1: and run out and get a firearm because they want

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Speaker 1: to kill themselves. So we can prevent a suicide from

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Speaker 1: happening or maybe a murder by preventing someone from requiring

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Speaker 1: a handgun. A's bite to the Second Amendment on the

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Speaker 1: day they want to buy one, you have to wait.

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Speaker 1: There's a cooling off period. That's for the purpose of

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Speaker 1: saving lives, right, Jack, it is.

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Speaker 2: And I'm glad you're going down this road because this

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Speaker 2: is a topic that I get passionate about. I'm a

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Speaker 2: firm believer in pro life, and I don't think the

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Speaker 2: thing that gets talked about as much as it should

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Speaker 2: is getting talked about here, and that is the mental

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Speaker 2: health impact on women of killing a child in her fetus.

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Speaker 2: That is a significant issue, and it is a weighty issue,

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Speaker 2: and it's an issue that I've talked to women who

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Speaker 2: have aboarded children who come back and say, you know,

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Speaker 2: I really underestimated how this would impact me later on

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Speaker 2: in life. That's number one. And here's the other irony, Brian,

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Speaker 2: if we're going to just talk very candidly about it,

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Speaker 2: the same group of people people who call a pregnancy

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Speaker 2: a clump of cells, are now up in arms because

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Speaker 2: we want to wait twenty four hours to eliminate a

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Speaker 2: clump of sales.

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Speaker 3: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: Because they know it's not a clump of sales, they

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Speaker 2: know it's a human life.

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Speaker 1: Good point in for whatever reason, the a gender transition

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Speaker 1: surgery immediately popped into mind about people living with regret

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02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:17,160
Speaker 1: for making that knee jerk reaction at the behest of

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02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:20,720
Speaker 1: some crazy doctors out there. Let's pause. We'll bring back

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Speaker 1: on that final editorial comment, Jack Windsor to talk about

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Speaker 1: the side hustle tax more with the Ohio Press Networks

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Speaker 1: Jag Windsor after these brief words, fifty five KRC Thanks

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Speaker 1: to you. You're a CED the talk station A fifty

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Speaker 1: if if you have KRCD talk station. Very happy Friday,

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Speaker 1: first day of Spring and enjoying my conversation as I

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Speaker 1: always do every Friday for a few segments with Jack Windsor,

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Speaker 1: editor in chief the Oio Press Network online at the

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Speaker 1: Ohio Pressnetwork dot com. Also check them out on zoom

2460
02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:53,600
Speaker 1: for the Windsor report keeping tabs on what's going on

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Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio, including what is the side

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Speaker 1: hustle tax, Jack Windsor, did you call it that or

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Speaker 1: they actually saying it out loud?

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Speaker 2: I think they're saying it out loud. I actually had

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Speaker 2: the co sponsor of the bill on my show yesterday

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Speaker 2: and my producer said, is this the side hustle tax?

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Speaker 2: So I think that's what they're calling it rightfully. So

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Speaker 2: it's Ohio House built one sixty one and what it

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Speaker 2: would do is it would add a sales and lodging

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Speaker 2: occupancy tax to people who put their homes on Airbnb

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Speaker 2: or vrbo. Those are the apps, by the way, that

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Speaker 2: allow you to use your home or your property for

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Speaker 2: what are known as short term rentals. And so what

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Speaker 2: it is, in my opinion out of the gate is

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Speaker 2: it's a cash grab by the state government trying to

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Speaker 2: give municipalities, local governments the authority to grab some more

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Speaker 2: money in the name of sales and lodging occupancy taxes.

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Speaker 2: But my initial heartburn on it, Brian was who's going

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Speaker 2: to pay the tax, how much is the tax going

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Speaker 2: to cost, and what is the unintended consequence of the tax.

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Speaker 2: So State Representative Adam Bird came on my show talked

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Speaker 2: through it a little bit. I've got some of the details.

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Speaker 2: If you want me to unpack them.

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Speaker 1: I do because I'm glad you I might. The first

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Speaker 1: thing I wrote downhen you mentioned it, I said, interference

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Speaker 1: with property rights. Now, I am not a huge fan

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Speaker 1: of airbnb rentals. I sure as hell don't want mine

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02:13:13,680 --> 02:13:16,240
Speaker 1: one next door to me with all the different people

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Speaker 1: coming in and out, And there's certain restrictions that can

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Speaker 1: be put in place there homeowners restrictions and homeowners but

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe you get a vote on that, maybe

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02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:25,440
Speaker 1: you can have an argument with your homeowners association about

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Speaker 1: whether you want one of these things in place. But

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Speaker 1: I don't like the rentals, but I do believe in

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02:13:30,520 --> 02:13:33,040
Speaker 1: the rights of property owners to do with their property

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Speaker 1: what they want. So what is I guess break it

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Speaker 1: down for us? I guess I'm curious to know what's

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Speaker 1: the proposed tax, what's the percentage of the rental fee

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Speaker 1: or obviously I think the renter's got to be paying

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Speaker 1: it like hotel taxes.

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Speaker 2: But where are we That was my hope, that was

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Speaker 2: my guest. When I asked Bird yesterday what the range was,

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02:13:51,720 --> 02:13:53,440
Speaker 2: he said he didn't have the numbers in front of him.

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Speaker 2: So I went and looked at places like Florida and Tennessee,

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02:13:57,480 --> 02:13:59,800
Speaker 2: which are two states that he mentioned. So I would

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Speaker 2: we're probably going to be between ten to fifteen percent,

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Speaker 2: and that tax would be paid by the consumer. So

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Speaker 2: if I, you know, if you had an airbnb, Brian,

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Speaker 2: and I paid you for your Airbnb, I would pay

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Speaker 2: that tax. And so that helps from because I'm looking

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Speaker 2: at it as you are, as a property owner. If

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Speaker 2: I want to use my home for an Airbnb, I'm

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Speaker 2: first I'm going to be responsible, because that's who I am.

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Speaker 2: And two, I don't want to pay the damn tax.

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Speaker 2: And so the party that pays the tax would be

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Speaker 2: the consumer. And the way that Bird pitched it is, Look,

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Speaker 2: these are the tourists, these are the people who are

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Speaker 2: coming in. I get it. In New Richmond where he is,

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02:14:38,520 --> 02:14:40,960
Speaker 2: He's down there on the river. He says, this is

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Speaker 2: an opportunity for us to bring in some revenue because

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Speaker 2: we don't have hotels and motels that kind of thing

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Speaker 2: in large number. Okay, I get that. Here's my concern

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Speaker 2: what does this do to Airbnb and vrbo and most importantly,

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Speaker 2: what does this do to a homeowner? Because I know

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Speaker 2: a lot of people who have homes and they use

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Speaker 2: those homes occasionally, not all the time. Right, here's the

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02:15:02,280 --> 02:15:06,920
Speaker 2: bad here's the bad news. There is a high price

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Speaker 2: elasticity for demand. So every one percent effective price increase

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Speaker 2: in tax leads to two dollars or to a two

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Speaker 2: percent to two point sixty five percent in fewer bookings.

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Speaker 2: So in Boston in twenty twenty, they looked at this

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Speaker 2: type of tax and it caused about a fourteen point

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Speaker 2: nine to five percent and see tax at twenty five

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Speaker 2: percent drop. Yep, that's exactly right. Well, Chicago's same thing.

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Speaker 1: Is maybe that's the intended goal. They want to make

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Speaker 1: it a new since so fewer people rent airbnbs. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we'd be honest, because let's face it, Uh, last time

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Speaker 1: I checked, the airbnb rental fee that the owner is

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Speaker 1: charging is going to be income reportable income, which means

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Speaker 1: it's going to be taxed under the income tax bracket

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02:15:52,400 --> 02:15:54,360
Speaker 1: of the owners. So they're still going to get taxes

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Speaker 1: out of it.

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Speaker 2: Right, That's exactly right. There's income tax, there's property tax.

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02:16:00,040 --> 02:16:02,200
Speaker 2: And the people who are going to lose. The people

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Speaker 2: who are gonna lose here are the casual individual hosts.

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02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:08,480
Speaker 2: People who are doing this professionally and have multi properties.

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02:16:08,720 --> 02:16:10,360
Speaker 2: They're not going to be hurt as much. It's going

2548
02:16:10,440 --> 02:16:12,280
Speaker 2: to be the smaller mom and pops who have, like

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02:16:12,360 --> 02:16:15,080
Speaker 2: I said, that one home and they're doing this is

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Speaker 2: maybe make a few extra hundred dollars a month. Those

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Speaker 2: are the people who are going to lose the most

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Speaker 2: on this.

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Speaker 1: Brian, all right, so is this a foregone conclusion or

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Speaker 1: is it still in the discussion phase.

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Speaker 2: It's still in the discussion phase. And I'm a hard no.

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Speaker 1: I'm a hard no on this.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: You convinced me of that already, Jack winsor God bless

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Speaker 1: you the how Press Networks where you find them online

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Speaker 1: on high pressnetwork dot com and again on Zoom the

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Speaker 1: windsor Report. Jack, I'm looking forward to Friday already next

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Speaker 1: week