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Speaker 1: talking about the players the Bengals need to go get

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Speaker 1: Bengals need to go get players in free agency since

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Speaker 1: well before last season ended. Free agency is almost here.

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Speaker 1: So let's get an overview from our friend and yours,

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Speaker 1: James Rapine from Bengals Talk dot Com, Enter the Jungle

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Speaker 1: and Locked on Bengals Podcast. Always good to have you.

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Speaker 1: Before we talk about players the Bengals may go get.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about a player the Bengals have said goodbye.

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Speaker 1: To give me some of your thoughts on the way

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Speaker 1: things ultimately unfolded at the end with Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was the expected outcome. I think

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Speaker 2: it was the outcome that it was inevitable, quite frankly,

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Speaker 2: and admittedly when I made the push, and believe you me,

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Speaker 2: I was pushing for them to tag him and trade

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Speaker 2: him and get an asset. I knew where the relationship was,

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Speaker 2: Like you knew where the relationship was. It was broken

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Speaker 2: and there's a lesson to be learned in that, certainly

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Speaker 2: But no, I was not shocked, even though I was

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Speaker 2: My guy Jay Morrison had one, and it wasn't about

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Speaker 2: the highlight of the combine, Jay leading things off, Yes,

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Speaker 2: and then two to Duke Tobin with me asking about Trey.

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Speaker 2: So I tried, but I also knew that this was

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Speaker 2: inevitable and he's going to be even richer a week

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Speaker 1: Yeah, game effort by you and I concur it was great,

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Speaker 1: too great to read stuff from Jay and Indy you

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Speaker 2: I think, and I guess you could say that we

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Speaker 2: needs to be a multiple starter on defense type of offseason.

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Speaker 2: And I say that, and people are going to roll

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Speaker 2: their eyes. But a year ago they added T. J.

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Speaker 2: Slayton and Orn Burkes, you know, and it was so underwhelming.

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Speaker 2: I think they know that can't happen again. I think

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Speaker 2: they know that Joe Burrow is very much aware of

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Speaker 2: the talent issues that they've had, that they believe in

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Speaker 2: the Al Goldens of the world, in the Zach Taylor's

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Speaker 2: of the world, and that's why they stuck by this

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Speaker 2: coaching staff. And so the only way to fix it

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Speaker 2: and give them a real shot is by adding talent.

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Speaker 2: And I know there are people in the building that

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Speaker 2: could define the next four years five years of Bengals football,

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Speaker 2: the Bengals organization, and so if people in the organization

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Speaker 2: add significant talent. And so that was it is more

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Speaker 2: confirming what you expected, slash hoped, and so I think

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Speaker 2: be as much as I want them to do, We'll see,

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Speaker 2: But I certainly hope they push the envelope a lot

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Speaker 1: I framed it this way. If the Bengals are going

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Speaker 1: to win a title while Joe's the quarterback, this offseason

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Speaker 1: Like we do this every year, we talk about boy

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Speaker 1: huge offseason, important offseason for this team. This year worth

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Speaker 1: where they are right now, you can't oversell that. So

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Speaker 1: where is that likely to come from?

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Speaker 2: I would spend an edge, and I would spend an

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Speaker 2: But that's the reality they're facing. So can you go

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Speaker 2: What I think it is? I don't think it is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I would agree with that. I think that's

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Speaker 1: I think that's well put. What did what did the

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Speaker 2: It makes really no sense to endorse Jordan Battle unless

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Speaker 2: as of now should be a starter. Sure, But should

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Speaker 2: Caleb Downs sweep steaks, yes, or the Dylan Lineman sweep steaks,

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Speaker 1: Right like you won Jordan battle on the team. Great

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Speaker 2: No, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be because you want

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Speaker 2: that's my goal with free agency if I'm the Bengals,

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Speaker 2: so that's fine. I'm fine with that. But this idea

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Speaker 2: I think leos Chanol is really intriguing and I wasn't

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Speaker 1: It's not a Bengals offseason if they don't sign a

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Speaker 2: Dallas Goddard can play online and block and do those things.

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Speaker 1: up to the draft. I know you're a busy man.

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Speaker 1: Can't thank you enough. We'll chat soon. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: I hope that it's so busy next week that you

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Speaker 2: That's how it should be. And the pressure's on Joe

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Speaker 1: Let's just let's just book it now. Now we have

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Speaker 2: I can't wait either. I appreciate you for having me.

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