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Speaker 2: WHOA. I no longer believe.

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Speaker 1: That the Vikings should be committed to bringing in as

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is hurt. Yesterday I thought that was sensible.

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Speaker 1: In fact, yesterday I thought it was non negotiable, quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: based on what we've seen from JJ to this point.

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Speaker 1: And even if you set aside the belief that he

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Speaker 1: old way just needs more reps. There's the injury part

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Speaker 1: of it, where he's been unable to stay healthy for

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, horseshoe bodies too slight, whatever it might be, okay,

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Speaker 1: but I'm clearly wrong being on this track.

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Speaker 2: The Vikings should make no pretense.

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Speaker 1: About another possibility as starting quarterback in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: no pretense that there would be anything like meaningful legitimate competition.

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Speaker 2: For the job in training camp.

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Speaker 1: It is abundantly clear that the mcbobos think they've got

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Speaker 1: their guy, so make him your guy today. That's exactly

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Speaker 1: what Koc and Quays should have pronounced. That should have

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Speaker 1: been the major pronouncement today. No, no, no, no. Not

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Speaker 1: only are we not concerned about what took place this year,

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Speaker 1: for the next ten to fifteen years. We are announcing

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Speaker 1: he will be the starting quarterback when we open against

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears on Monday Night Football for the second

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Speaker 3: Why bother, why are we let's see it?

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Speaker 1: If he's that good and the quarterback whisper is that good,

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Speaker 1: Or you got to head your bed, or you got

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Speaker 1: to come up with something different. I mean the quotes today,

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell says he wants a competitive situation at quarterback

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Speaker 1: says JJ McCarthy is going to be a major emphasis,

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Speaker 1: but the competition in that room will all only enhance

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Speaker 3: What's gibberish.

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Speaker 2: If you want to have a competition, proclaim it and

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Speaker 2: say JJ McCarthy was our starting quarterback when he was

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Speaker 2: healthy last year. We are moving forward with a new

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Speaker 2: plan that will allow JJ McCarthy to compete for the

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Speaker 2: number one quarterback job with another guy we are bringing in.

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Speaker 1: We don't care about creating a circus any longer. May

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Speaker 1: the best man win. We've got too many other veteran

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Speaker 1: have too much respect for to have to worry about

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Speaker 1: hurting feelings. But you saw the way they talked about

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Speaker 2: So I would much rather have clearer language and declaration.

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Speaker 3: Either we're opening it up or we're not opening it

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Speaker 1: All, because we don't think we need to. We think

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Speaker 1: he's the guy. Instead, we're doing this silly middle ground.

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Speaker 1: So I'm out.

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Speaker 2: Mc bobo's you want him, you can have him, and

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Speaker 2: if he plays well, I will absolutely celebrate him.

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Speaker 3: I have no difficulty with that.

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Speaker 2: I was happy when this team drafted them, and you know,

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Speaker 2: bring in another back up like Carson Wentz if you'd like,

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Speaker 3: But what you know, it's like, I don't understand why

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, It's not this organization's fault that it has

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Speaker 3: Right, It's just not it's you gotta be a big boy.

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Speaker 2: It's a big boy league, and in a big boy

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Speaker 3: Give me the red meat of.

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Speaker 1: We're bringing in another quarterback, we don't know who that's

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Speaker 1: Doesn't that sound generic and mealy mouth like you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Everybody wins.

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Speaker 1: That's not an answer that really in any way illuminates

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Speaker 1: And I keep hearing their plan behind the scenes is

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Speaker 2: Another veteran.

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Speaker 1: But if you're going to add a veteran and give

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Speaker 1: to Daniel Jones. This is a why it doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: We saw that this year. We saw it this year

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Speaker 2: do you have to communicate what your plan is or

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Speaker 2: And he answered none of it. Hempden hot, Yeah, he

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Speaker 2: hemdon hot and talks about Yeah, we have conversations. We're

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Speaker 2: what those conversations may or may not be. And then

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Speaker 2: this show. So let's make it easy. Don't bother just

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Speaker 2: amount of time he's missed when he first started. It

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Speaker 1: But we are committed to all those base body brozem

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Speaker 2: You know, like the last time I can remember an

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Speaker 2: emphatic statement of being made about JJ McCarthy. Do you

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Speaker 2: remember when it was no when he was injured last

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Speaker 2: preseason and Kevin O'Connell announced it before they went to Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: I think for the joint practice is in the preseason games.

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Speaker 2: franchise quarterback. I don't know if you use that same verbiage. Yes,

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Speaker 2: but that was a great point, very emphatic, and we're

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Speaker 2: not getting that now. Not really, we're not getting at all,

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Speaker 2: but we're not getting any kind of vindication of we're

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Speaker 2: opening up the thing to competition. They're afraid of that stuff,

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Speaker 2: and I get it for media jackals, that is red

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Speaker 2: why they pay you the big bucks.

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Speaker 1: And there's now I would again argue too much at

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Speaker 1: stake quite frankly, to have to be to tiptoe around

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy. Let's make something clear.

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Speaker 1: He had some leverage when he was drafted as high

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Speaker 1: as he was. He's got no leverage right now. Zero,

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Speaker 1: He's got nothing to stand. It's not like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'd laugh at it, say well, there's where where you're going?

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Speaker 2: What? Yeah, you think we're going to give you away

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Speaker 2: for a second round draft choice.

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Speaker 3: No, you're here. And I'm not even suggesting he would

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Speaker 1: There's been no indication I think that he's going to

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: You know, these press conferences are always going to be generic.

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Speaker 1: Do we yet have the answer, and maybe Alex Lewis,

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Speaker 2: Why the original day was changed?

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Speaker 1: Originally this was going to be last late last week correct,

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Speaker 2: Maybe they were waiting for the latest Jordan Addison arrest

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Speaker 2: they decided to do it. Do we know anything about

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Speaker 1: How does one trespass like he stayed overstate is welcome?

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Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. Yeah, the Seminal Hard Rock hotel and casino. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So typically that would be you need to go, and

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Speaker 2: then eventually they just say you're trespassing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, correct, Yes, maybe makes some sense. Rest of the

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Speaker 1: is a three hour tour. Why is thats at the

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Speaker 1: Barn Showdown game? It is Badger's coming off in a

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Speaker 1: why we're out at six. But we have plund to

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Speaker 2: Lots to get to, including another.

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Speaker 1: Wild loss last night and UH at three point thirty

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Speaker 1: Please make sure you address these left wing activist prosecutors

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Speaker 2: Tom Heffelfinger kind enough to join us via the Connectico

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Speaker 2: Where do we begin?

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Speaker 4: there too. However, I've read the same reporting that you

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Speaker 4: do have, and it makes sense. It does appear that

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Speaker 4: all or more of those men and women left out

439
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Speaker 4: of Frank out of protests with the decision to not

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Speaker 4: include state authorities in the investigation into the shooting of

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Speaker 4: this good and into other direction that that case is

442
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Speaker 4: now taking, specifically the direction to conduct that investigation not

443
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Speaker 4: as an investigation of the shooter but rather as an

444
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Speaker 4: investigation of the victim.

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Speaker 1: How much does that if that indeed is what has

446
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Speaker 1: led to this, and as you mentioned, most of the

447
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Speaker 1: reporting suggests it has. I don't think any of those

448
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Speaker 1: who've resigned have spoken publicly on the record, yet maybe

449
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Speaker 1: eventually they will. We've made our own efforts to reach

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Speaker 1: out to Joe, and so far not surprisingly unsuccessful. If

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Speaker 1: those are the reasons, as someone who's been in that

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Speaker 1: office and knows how things go, how concerning is it

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Speaker 1: to you?

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Speaker 4: It's concerning to me for several reasons. First is, those

455
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Speaker 4: are all really good prosecutors, I've cried cases against a

456
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Speaker 4: couple of them that I know others from just interaction.

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Speaker 4: That in itself is an incredible loss to the state

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Speaker 4: of Minnesota and to its law enforcement community generally. It's

459
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Speaker 4: also a real loss because it lost good people. But

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Speaker 4: the other reason it's the loss is that it basically

461
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Speaker 4: further result will serve the result in even less chance

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Speaker 4: that there can be a salad safe and legitimate investigation

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Speaker 4: as to what happened surrounding the shooting of is good.

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Speaker 1: You know, the folks I've reached out to who've been

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Speaker 1: more interested so far in commenting off the record and

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Speaker 1: providing background than going public, kind of reiterate your words,

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Speaker 1: echo your words, and say the great irony here is

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Speaker 1: that if you classify yourself as a quote unquote law

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Speaker 1: and order person, A number of these individuals did that

470
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Speaker 1: work tremendously well effectively, some having to do with feeding

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Speaker 1: our future, and other of these ongoing frauds, in another

472
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Speaker 1: case trying the gang cases very effectively.

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Speaker 2: And so it's the old you be careful. I guess

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Speaker 2: if politically.

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Speaker 1: Speaking, the Trump administration feels like they're winning some battles

476
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Speaker 1: here by going the direction they're going.

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Speaker 2: They're losing people.

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Speaker 1: Who have proven over and over again a willingness to

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Speaker 1: go get bad guys and criminals and to successfully prosecute them,

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Speaker 1: presumably to the good of the rest of us.

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Speaker 4: That's correct. These are the people if you're in the

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Speaker 4: United if I were in the United States Attorney right

483
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Speaker 4: now and these people were still in the office, these

484
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Speaker 4: are the very people that I would appoint to the

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Speaker 4: most serious cases that come into the office, whether they're

486
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Speaker 4: fraud cases or violence, violent crime cases, these are the ones.

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Speaker 4: These are the people you want in the court standing

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Speaker 4: up and saying they represent the United States. They're not

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Speaker 4: available anymore, and I don't and there will be other

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Speaker 4: people that they will call upon in that office to

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Speaker 4: do the work. And that's because people that take those

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Speaker 4: jobs serious about them, and they'll do the work. However,

493
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Speaker 4: the people that will fill the gap do not have

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Speaker 4: the experience of the people that have now left.

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Speaker 1: What of course, a lot of this goes back to

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Speaker 1: the Ice shooting of Renee Good in the first place.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much you've commented on it, how

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Speaker 1: much you want to comment on the merits of the case.

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Speaker 1: Some people have been I think chet rather reckless really

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Speaker 1: on both sides of the political aisle, like within minutes

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Speaker 1: some cases seconds of that tragedy unfolding. Others I think

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Speaker 1: have tried to say, all right, let me get more.

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Speaker 1: I'm disturbed by what I see. I want to get

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Speaker 1: some more information. Where are you in your head in

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Speaker 1: terms of what you saw and how you've processed it?

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Speaker 4: Well, First of all, I want a thorough, honest and

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Speaker 4: transparent investigation. I have my feelings, and I'll share them

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Speaker 4: with you in a minute. But the real which we

509
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Speaker 4: really need is that thorough investigation that we would have

510
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Speaker 4: had had we had the BCA and the FBI working together.

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Speaker 4: In other words, the investigation team that was initially appointed

512
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Speaker 4: by the United States Attorney and the head of the FBI.

513
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Speaker 4: They're now gone. That investigation team is gone, and it

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Speaker 4: will be very difficult to reach it resurrected. Add to

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Speaker 4: the merits of that investigation. Again, I want to wait

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Speaker 4: for the results, but I must say I think that

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Speaker 4: whatever the people in Washington or out at the ICE

518
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Speaker 4: officers say, the videos speak for themselves. If you want

519
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Speaker 4: to know whether it was a share a shooting in

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Speaker 4: self defense, or a shooting in the form of a murder.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to listen to me. All you have

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Speaker 4: to do is open up the media and what and

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Speaker 4: look at the video?

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Speaker 2: And what does it show you?

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Speaker 4: It shows me that the officer, when he pulled the

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Speaker 4: trigger two to three times, was not at risk.

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Speaker 2: You do not believe you've already seen enough to come

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Speaker 2: to that conclusion.

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Speaker 4: I saw three shots fired when his seat were not

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Speaker 4: anywhere near the car itself. We're not in front of

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Speaker 4: it or under it or anything like that. The President

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Speaker 4: said he was run over. There's no evidence of that.

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Speaker 4: That's that's why I say the video speaks for itself.

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Speaker 1: Is there any in your experience and were chatting a

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Speaker 1: former US in Minnesota US attorney at Thomas Hellfinger, any

536
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Speaker 1: precedent for a decision like was made in this case

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Speaker 1: as you alluded to earlier, where suddenly the BCA is

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Speaker 1: on the outside looking in and the FEDS are saying

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Speaker 1: this is ours and only ours. Any precedent for this

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Speaker 1: approach in a case similar to this or others that

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Speaker 1: might be akin to this.

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Speaker 4: Case of similar to this thing would involved in officer shooting.

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Speaker 4: That's true, and I do not know of another case

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Speaker 4: officer shooting where the BCA has been told to go away.

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Speaker 4: To the contrary, the bceas of Shooting Squad, if you

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Speaker 4: want to call it, that was set up by the

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Speaker 4: legislature in twenty twenty to cover sact to these kind

548
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Speaker 4: of cases where there is evidence that an officer may

549
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Speaker 4: have been involved was involved in an officer shooting. Those

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Speaker 4: are the kinds of cases where the BCA is brought

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Speaker 4: in because they have all of the best experience in

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Speaker 4: the state of Minnesota, state or federal.

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Speaker 1: We've also seen almost every day there are four or

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Speaker 1: five or six videos that go viral regarding what looks

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Speaker 1: to be not exactly precision targeting of individuals wanted on

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Speaker 1: various crimes, but sweeps of your pumping gas, Who are

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Speaker 1: you U A US, where are you from?

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Speaker 2: Exactly?

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Speaker 1: What can you tell us about that look? And maybe

560
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Speaker 1: even more importantly, what can you tell us about the

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Speaker 1: legal questions regarding that approach.

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Speaker 4: I believe it's perfectly proper for ice to question somebody,

563
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Speaker 4: but when the questioning goes to the next level and

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Speaker 4: it involves physical assaults on somebody where there's no reason

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Speaker 4: for a STA physical intervention of that is dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Let me get to a couple of texts that have

567
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Speaker 2: come in, including this one. Will you ask your guests

568
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Speaker 2: to address this concern? I understand US Attorney's not wanting

569
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Speaker 2: to go along with what the DHS wants them to do.

570
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Speaker 2: Obvious they're interested in covering up and they want no

571
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Speaker 2: part of that. But doesn't that give them what the

572
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Speaker 2: Trump administration wants now they can place their lackeys in

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Speaker 2: those same positions. Is there really no practical, viable alternative.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not sure from your callers comment whether he

575
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Speaker 4: or she is more worried about Trumps people putting lackeys

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Speaker 4: in space or having lackeys be taking off of out

577
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 4: of the investigation. Let me put it this way. The

578
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Speaker 4: net effect of people leaving the US Attorney's office because

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Speaker 4: they disagree with the investigative direction taken by the Attorney

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Speaker 4: General or the president. That's an extremely that doesn't happen

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Speaker 4: very often. It doesn't happen at all in my experience,

582
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Speaker 4: but it has the effect of its He said, we're

583
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Speaker 4: moving the best and the brightest from the prosecution ranks

584
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Speaker 4: and filling with people just have less experience.

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Speaker 1: Let's also talk about the prevailing story yesterday, which was

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Speaker 1: that we had a news conference in which the Attorney

587
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Speaker 1: General said that the Minnesota is suing. Officials in Minnesota

588
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Speaker 1: are suing the Feds to stop the deployment the ongoing

589
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Speaker 1: deployment of what is now well, last I saw was

590
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Speaker 1: two thousand. I think another thousand immigration agents are scheduled

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Speaker 1: to get here unless they're already here, and it's even

592
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Speaker 1: bigger than that. I don't know, and I believe the

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Speaker 1: mayors of Minneapolis and Saint Paul were there. He called

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Speaker 1: the deployment a federal invasion of the Twin Cities.

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Speaker 2: This has to stop.

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Speaker 1: So the lawsuit, as I understand it, was filed in

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Speaker 1: US District Court in Minnesota. Help us get into the

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Speaker 1: weeds here on the process, how a case like this

599
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Speaker 1: gets adjudicated, how quickly it might move, and other things

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Speaker 1: that you observed regarding what you know or heard yesterday

601
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Speaker 1: regarding this.

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Speaker 4: Approach, Well, first of all, I want to make I

603
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Speaker 4: haven't seen the complaint, nor have I talked to either

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Speaker 4: the mayor or mayors or the Attorney General. However, I

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00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 4: do know that there have been lawsuits brought in other

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Speaker 4: states challenging the deployment of large numbers of border patrol

607
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Speaker 4: or ICE officers. And this is essentially the same thing.

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Speaker 4: It's asking a federal judge to make the decision that

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Speaker 4: it was illegal to deploy huge numbers of border protection

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Speaker 4: agents that have a negative impact on the state of Minnesota,

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Speaker 4: on its people, on its business, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: It will be.

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Speaker 4: Handled quickly by an experienced federal judge. I don't know

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Speaker 4: which judge it was assigned to, but that makes a

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00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 4: big difference, but not a not the ultimate or a difference. Ultimately,

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Speaker 4: several judges are going to look at that with open minds,

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Speaker 4: open years, and they'll make it very I think, a

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Speaker 4: relatively quick decision. And the reason they'll make a quick

619
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Speaker 4: decision is that if that luck lawsuit is successful, then

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Speaker 4: the state wants to get those people out of here

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Speaker 4: because those people, meaning ICE agents, are causing harm to

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Speaker 4: the state, to its people, not including miss Good.

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Speaker 1: And when you say quick, are you talking about days?

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Speaker 1: You're talking about weeks?

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Speaker 2: Or what world are we living in here?

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Speaker 4: We're not talking days, but we're talking weeks more than months,

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Speaker 4: less time than months.

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Speaker 1: So let's say the rule relatively quickly, relatively quickly. So

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Speaker 1: let's say the rule is in favor of those who

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Speaker 1: brought the suit, What exactly does that mean in a

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Speaker 1: practical sense, and is it likely to have any significant

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Speaker 1: impact on the people who have implemented, obviously out of

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Speaker 1: Washington this strategy.

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Speaker 4: You can as easily as I you can look at

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Speaker 4: the conduct of the President and his secretaries, who don't

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Speaker 4: necessarily give the opinions of federal judges the merit to

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Speaker 4: which they are deserving. That should be a federal judge

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Speaker 4: entering an opinion would normally result in action being taken

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Speaker 4: consistent with that opinion. However, as we know the way

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Speaker 4: the president has worked, it takes contrary opinions by trial

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Speaker 4: judges that's would be a federal trial judge. It takes

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Speaker 4: it as merely an invitation for an appeal, and that

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Speaker 4: I'm certain what happens.

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Speaker 2: We definitely appreciate the time and the attempt to help

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Speaker 2: us understand stuff that for us, you know, the layman

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Speaker 2: among us there are difficult and especially with the experience

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Speaker 2: you have in the US Attorney's office, I appreciate you

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Speaker 2: giving us the time today.

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Speaker 4: Happy to do so, thank you.

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Speaker 1: But that's Tom Heffelfinger, former US Attorney. I think a

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Speaker 1: couple of times over Minnesota US attorney. I think he's

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Speaker 1: been described historically as a moderate Republican if that matters

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Speaker 1: to people, and often it does. He also, we didn't

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Speaker 1: get into this today, but I think he signed a

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Speaker 1: note with a bunch of others, other attorneys, maybe even

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Speaker 1: US attorneys.

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Speaker 2: I don't recall in twenty twenty against Donald J. Trump.

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Speaker 1: I remember that not him being not fit for office.

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Speaker 1: He co signed that particular agreement, So he's not. He

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Speaker 1: certainly I wouldn't call him a necessarily a Trump fan,

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Speaker 1: but he's also I wouldn't classify him as a looney

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Speaker 1: lefty either at this point. No, well, yeah, some people

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Speaker 1: say does some of course he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: I don't really know.

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Speaker 1: But that's those are the biggest developments today, and they're

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Speaker 1: they're very large, like I said, because it sounds as

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Speaker 1: if much of the the frustration from several of these attorneys.

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Speaker 1: And again, I I mean, I don't even know Joe

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Speaker 1: Thompson's political affiliation. I don't think it's the same as

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Speaker 1: Andy Lueger's. But what struck me about both of them

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Speaker 1: was efforts to do their job and to follow whatever

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Speaker 1: course they they they the law obligated them to to

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Speaker 1: get to whatever malfeasance or illegality was taking place. And

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Speaker 1: in a sense, now you could say, well, they weren't fired,

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Speaker 1: they resigned, but they clearly resigned. It appears because a

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Speaker 1: certain path was not being suggested to them, but was

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Speaker 1: pretty much being ordered to them regarding.

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Speaker 3: Who they're going to investigate, what they were going to.

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Speaker 1: Emphasize, I think is the best way to put it,

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Speaker 1: including investigating the wife of Renee Good. Here's another thing

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Speaker 1: I need some help on. Let's say, for the sake

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Speaker 1: of this discussion. Again, this is not me alleging. This

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Speaker 1: allegingxignty of the right word I want to use. This

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Speaker 1: is sort of the point of what I'm asking.

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Speaker 3: Let's say.

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Speaker 2: That Renee Good and or her wife were quote unquote

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Speaker 2: I guess you could say, part of an organization that

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Speaker 2: wanted to to to protest and to to oppose these

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Speaker 2: particular policies, because that's been a big thing for people

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Speaker 2: like well who Well, she was paid, and let's say

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Speaker 2: let's say I have no evidence of this, but let's

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Speaker 2: say she was paid. Let's say she was paid. What

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Speaker 2: does that change? It shouldn't change anything.

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Speaker 1: As opposed to how you address and evaluate her conduct

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Speaker 1: and the conduct of the ice officer who shot and

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Speaker 1: killed her. Correct and what am I missing there that.

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Speaker 2: Let's say it's part let's say she's part of a

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Speaker 2: cabal again without any evidence really to confirm that.

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Speaker 3: I still I don't think that's the aha.

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Speaker 2: Moment that a number of uh, I guess you could

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Speaker 2: say sharks seem to think it is you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know that. What does that do?

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Speaker 2: I mean?

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Speaker 1: So that because that seems to be one of these

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Speaker 1: dividing lines between people on well, she wasn't just some

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Speaker 1: innocent bystander. Maybe she wasn't. Maybe she was there to

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Speaker 1: cause difficulty. We're back to at what point does that

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Speaker 1: give you the right to shoot and kill her, not

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Speaker 1: to even necessarily arrest her, but to shoot and to

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Speaker 1: kill her. That's the part of this that has not

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Speaker 1: made any sense to me almost from from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: So we, you know, had some attempt in a perfect world.

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Speaker 1: We we talk with Andy Lueger as well. He's out

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Speaker 1: of the country right now, and so we hope to

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Speaker 1: get to him upon his return because there's I know,

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Speaker 1: he has a lot of thoughts about a lot of

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Speaker 1: this and there's a lot of ground to cover.

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Speaker 3: But I'll say again these.

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Speaker 1: If you're if you classify yourself as I said with

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Speaker 1: Tom Hefflfiger, as a lawed order person, I want.

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Speaker 3: I don't think, in my opinion.

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Speaker 2: The the the hardcore looney lefties don't care enough about

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Speaker 2: holding criminals responsible. Well, Costney, you just lost several outstanding

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Speaker 2: people who were doing that on a daily basis, not

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Speaker 2: just related to feeding our future stuff, but gang stuff

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 3: That's another big piece of this.

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Speaker 1: And that individual has also been part of the resignation

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Speaker 1: I think too, if I'm not mistaken, there were some

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Speaker 1: resignations yesterday. So you're gonna find it here on the fly.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, it's here somewhere. Oh, there are some resignations

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Speaker 1: at the Department of Justice in the Civil regarding civil

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Speaker 1: the Civil Rights Division regarding again how this case was

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Speaker 1: going to be handled, And so there are You can

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Speaker 1: call that political, I guess, or you could say, well,

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Speaker 1: these are career in many cases career investigators, some Republican,

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Speaker 1: some Democrat who said, I can't participate in this any longer.

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Speaker 1: This is what we call in the business a rigged outcome,

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Speaker 1: and I can't really do the job the way I

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Speaker 1: have been allowed to do it and successfully done it,

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Speaker 1: to prosecute gangs, to prosecute feeding our future felons in

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Speaker 1: this case, if you tell me no, no, no, here's

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Speaker 1: what you have to concentrate on. Here's where you want

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Speaker 1: to go. So that's kind of where we are. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's why, you know, I think there's been

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Speaker 1: such a big deal made of it, and so the

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Speaker 1: loss is to everybody in the end, for sure. Even

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Speaker 1: if right now there's the adrenaline Russia of well we

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Speaker 1: got rid of them, they wouldn't go, they didn't they

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Speaker 1: wouldn't do their job, get them out of there. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll see if, for example, the next US the current

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Speaker 1: Chief US Attorney is going to be quite as tenacious

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Speaker 1: and diligent at following these stories, because there's clearly more

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Speaker 1: regarding scandals we never We don't. I don't think we're

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Speaker 1: going to run out of scandals when it comes to

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Speaker 1: appropriate public money and appropriated money in this state for

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Speaker 1: probably another five years.

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Speaker 2: I don't even I think we may have even only

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Speaker 2: seen the half of it.

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Speaker 1: Top of the hour break, don't forget Louis is going

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Speaker 1: to join us at four point thirty this evening, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about a wild loss.

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Speaker 3: I've got a really good text.

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Speaker 1: Actually it was a tweet related to ongoing frustration with

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Speaker 1: the current and much of maligned National Hockey League Stanley

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Speaker 1: Cup Cup.

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Speaker 2: Playoff format, which we're going to get back to.

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Speaker 1: We've covered that a lot, and then we'll get the

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Speaker 1: Alec Lewis perspective at five point thirty on Viking's vetting

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Speaker 1: comments from both the head coach and the general manager.

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Speaker 1: We still have no closure on Brian Flores.

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Speaker 2: Correct correct, KOC today saying they're being yes, they're being

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Speaker 2: very aggressive with coach flow, but we have no deal yet.

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Speaker 1: And frankly, we can't have a deal because he's already

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Speaker 1: I think completed an interview with the Ravens yep, and

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Speaker 1: I can't And did you see the little note that

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Speaker 1: the Washington commanders are going to ask to interview him

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Speaker 1: to be their defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: Good luck, but he the Vikings can't stop.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing in this job. On your contract.

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Speaker 1: He's not in a contract, So I don't know. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna find We're going to find out how bad Brian

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Speaker 1: Flores wants to stay here and the Steelers job just

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Speaker 1: opened up today. I got about that. Mike Tomlin is available,

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00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: end of an era. Does he want Well, we'll get

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Speaker 1: into all of that. Maybe update on a number of

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Speaker 1: those coaching search stories, particularly when they I guess are

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Speaker 1: related to your favorite football team, the Viking,