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Speaker 1: All right, welcome in after show, Army, justin here. It

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Speaker 1: is a Monday. I hope you had a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: I had a good weekend, went to the circus. More

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Speaker 1: on that later. Hopefully we might have a circus member

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Speaker 1: coming into the show this week, maybe the contortionist. Who knows.

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Speaker 1: If you follow me on Instagram, you might have seen

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Speaker 1: some of the videos that I did post. But today's podcast,

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Speaker 1: as I tease, it's going to be kind of an

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Speaker 1: emotional one because Santi, who is my radio mentor, he's

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Speaker 1: the one that brought me in. We talked about that

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Speaker 1: the last time he was here. His last day is tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: and he is here. Dude, how are you feeling? Sorry?

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Speaker 2: Sorry about that. I feel good, feel excited for the

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Speaker 2: new challenge ahead of me. But there's definitely a sense

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Speaker 2: of like it doesn't feel real, and it probably won't

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's think about this. Tomorrow is the thirty first.

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Speaker 1: That's the last day that you are going to be

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Speaker 1: an employee here. People that don't know you're leaving because

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Speaker 1: you have a business, a side business that's about to

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Speaker 2: Right so, years ago I've always been into video, and

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Speaker 2: then I think when I got fired in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: Then when I got hired back here, things were going well,

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Speaker 2: really blow up over the last couple of years where

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Speaker 2: I got to the point where I had to decide if,

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Speaker 2: go all in ben on myself. Ben on this business

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Speaker 2: at not only has like I love, but then also

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Speaker 2: it showed me like there might be a really good

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Speaker 2: future for you in this helping small to medium sized

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Speaker 1: I mean, you are really good at it, and it

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Speaker 1: really is it really is amazing to me. Because yes,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned that you were fired in twenty fifteen, I

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Speaker 1: was a part of that. On Jamming, there was a

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Speaker 2: My first day in my internship was June fifth of

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, so you started as an intern like me,

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Speaker 1: hosts of the show shows I should say, but in

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen you were fired. And I remember because your

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Speaker 1: I did talk to you after. I know you said

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Speaker 1: But I look at the bright side of things, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's true to that, because I think, like

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Speaker 2: Like everybody has a pattern and like a routine. But

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you taught yourself how to do video editing

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Speaker 1: social media. That's where it started all of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that change started then, and then my mind started

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Speaker 2: going even to the point where, like four years after that,

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Speaker 2: But then Ashley I'd called me and asked me to

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Speaker 2: But I had always been thinking about this company in

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Speaker 1: Mmmm, well, you got fined in twenty fifteen and then

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Speaker 1: you were doing that stuff. But then you went back

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Speaker 2: That was twenty sixteen, So I'd like nine months.

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Speaker 1: then yeah, Ashley reached out and then you came back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I also realized I coming back that I

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Speaker 2: because I will be the first womit. The way I

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Speaker 2: the best I had EGO had all these things that

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Speaker 1: Well, you told me, You've told me a lot of

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Speaker 1: So I do think about that, and I've talked about

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Speaker 1: because people have to understand, right, you start as an intern,

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Speaker 1: You were on the air, and you became a character

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Speaker 1: crazy Kulo. You were a stunt guy, you know, and

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Speaker 1: And I remember this one time, you know, when I

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Speaker 1: a blog that I wrote. It's on It's a word

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Speaker 1: my college class. Like it says right here. Crazy Kulo

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Speaker 1: You know, I just I really want to I know

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? And I know I hope

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Speaker 2: You've done amazing. I knew from an early on that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, do you understand when I've read this blog recently,

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Speaker 1: You know, I grew up listening to jamming and listening

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Speaker 1: and you emailed. You emailed as Santy and you set

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Speaker 2: But and I think a lot of people will go

434
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Speaker 2: to what if it doesn't work? Which, okay, fine, what

435
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Speaker 2: if it doesn't, But what if it does, and even

436
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Speaker 2: if it's semi successful financially, it's going to be amazing.

437
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Speaker 2: So why not bet on yourself?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Why not? So?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I have no chances to fight it out.

440
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Speaker 2: And the common question I keep getting is what are

441
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Speaker 2: you going to do your first day? You're gonna get

442
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Speaker 2: to sleep, And I'm like, no, I got to get

443
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Speaker 2: up at six thirty in the morning, start my routine

444
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Speaker 2: and start working. I have to. I don't have a choice.

445
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Speaker 1: And get your kid off to school, get.

446
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Speaker 2: My kid off to school, drive the kids to school.

447
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well you're youngest, Carter.

448
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Speaker 2: Well, I have my oldest son now drives, he drives

449
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Speaker 2: themselves to school. But then my daughters I drop them

450
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Speaker 2: off Carter does still take the bus. I'll drive them

451
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Speaker 2: to the end of the driveway.

452
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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but it's like a full circle almost.

453
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Speaker 1: Yeah in a way. You know what I mean. What

454
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Speaker 1: is your business? What is the name of it?

455
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Speaker 2: Badeo Space Media. You can check it out sile spacemedia

456
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Speaker 2: dot com. I help small to medium sized businesses find

457
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Speaker 2: their digital footprint and show up every week on social

458
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Speaker 2: media in a compelling way, not like some of the

459
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Speaker 2: bs that you kind of see where it's not organized.

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Speaker 2: We're going to plan everything out. We'll have an eighteen

461
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Speaker 2: month plan and we'll execute it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So basically, you know, social media is where it's

463
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Speaker 1: at right for a lot of these businesses. Content and

464
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Speaker 1: also visibility for the business, you know. So you I'll

465
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Speaker 1: think about a lot of these businesses, right, they don't

466
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Speaker 1: have they don't know how to do it.

467
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Speaker 2: The biggest challenges that they're facing is that they know

468
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Speaker 2: they need it, they just don't know how to do it.

469
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Speaker 2: And also the solution where I here quite austen and

470
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Speaker 2: it doesn't work. Oh we have a girl in the

471
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Speaker 2: office just doing it. You can't have that because they're

472
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Speaker 2: just throwing off random stuff with out thinking about what

473
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Speaker 2: is it going to post? Howard ties into the business

474
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Speaker 2: and even topical things that kind of happened. Here's a

475
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Speaker 2: good example of it. I work with a company that

476
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Speaker 2: was doing seasonal stuff, so they had something planned for

477
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Speaker 2: the day that we had to major snow storm. Right,

478
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Speaker 2: this was planning out months in advance, but they didn't

479
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 2: predict that the snowstorm was gonna hit. People are going

480
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Speaker 2: to lose power. What I did I pivoted in the

481
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,639
Speaker 2: moment and started posting content about buying generators right and

482
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,920
Speaker 2: all that stuff, because that's what people are thinking about

483
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Speaker 2: just in the moment. But that's what we can do too.

484
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but so true.

485
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Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you off there, but listen, I'm still

486
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 2: going to be around. I got some things in the

487
00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,440
Speaker 2: works that are gonna pop off like very soon. I'm

488
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Speaker 2: not going away completely. I'll still be doing some things, Okay,

489
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Speaker 2: all right.

490
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Speaker 1: And lastly, you know we've talked about this endlessly about

491
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Speaker 1: how I didn't call you or reach out to you.

492
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a liar disappeared. Where's nothing gone? He's

493
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Speaker 2: onto his new show mentor nothing.

494
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Speaker 1: By Yeah, well I want to tell you that obviously

495
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Speaker 1: I've said a million times, no hard failings. There nothing

496
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Speaker 1: to do with you or anything I do. Have asked

497
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Speaker 1: my wife. I was telling my wife about it, and

498
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Speaker 1: she goes, yeah, that's You're terrible communicating. Like I'm married

499
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Speaker 1: to you. I know, you know. And that's not the

500
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Speaker 1: first time I've heard that from people that maybe have

501
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 1: moved away or that I lost contact with. Is not

502
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Speaker 1: reaching out. So I'm gonna do better job at that. Yeah,

503
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Speaker 1: and no one's gonna know. No one's gonna I'm not

504
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 1: gonna like announce it to people. So now it's between

505
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Speaker 1: you and I.

506
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Speaker 2: I tease about that, but I also think that there's

507
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Speaker 2: probably a point in that too where you were like

508
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Speaker 2: focus on what you were doing, trying to do your thing,

509
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Speaker 2: and I don't follow.

510
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Speaker 1: You what I'll tell you what it is in a way,

511
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Speaker 1: And this is complete honesty. You know. I'm still learning

512
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Speaker 1: about the radio business. I've been in a while, but

513
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Speaker 1: I'm still like, I'm always learning, And I think what

514
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: happened was honestly, there was nothing against you. I love you,

515
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Speaker 1: but when you worked for the other radio station, I

516
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Speaker 1: always thought there was some kind of like thing like competition,

517
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I think that maybe

518
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Speaker 1: played into it like.

519
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Speaker 2: Most situations, that's how it works. And I think like, oh,

520
00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 2: we're not friends with them. No, I'm friends with everybody.

521
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that like I want to be. Somebody

522
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 2: can think up the phone, call pebbles and do this

523
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And I think, like, gone too many years,

524
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 2: we're playing the stupid game where I'm not doing it.

525
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I'm not doing it anymore. So we're gonna

526
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Speaker 1: we're friends. We're friends to the end, Bud, you and I.

527
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Speaker 1: All right, So I just wanted to wish you luck

528
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Speaker 1: in Tomorrow morning, I'm gonna come on and I'm gonna

529
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Speaker 1: say a proper goodbye on the air on Jammin'. Oh yeah, So.

530
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna cry a lot tomorrow.

531
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Speaker 1: No, you don't have to cry, but i'm gonna let

532
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let the world know live how much of

533
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Speaker 1: an impact you had on my life. Thank you, justin

534
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 1: all right, So thank you very much, Good luck on

535
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 1: everything again. It is Silo Space Media and they can

536
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Speaker 1: find that on your Instagram right yea, at santi Olio.

537
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Speaker 2: It will as of Wednesday when I change my bio.

538
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, take the.

539
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Speaker 2: Jammin right off and put that right out top.

540
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Speaker 1: All right, thanks Bud, and listen. If anybody has any

541
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: comments or anything for Santy that you can leave a

542
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 1: talk back and I'll try to get him to listen

543
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Speaker 1: before he leaves. Good luck, brother, He love you, sir.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,