WEBVTT - Did She Do It After All? 0:00:00.210 --> 0:00:07.250 Okay, 720-ish Wednesday, you know what that means. Truth or Troll. 0:00:07.430 --> 0:00:16.700 Take it away, Mike. And now, America's favorite game show. 0:00:17.220 --> 0:00:20.320 Where you get to decide on the Kuna Report. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:23.450 This is Truth or Troll. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:29.280 Today's entry of Truth or Troll comes from President Barack 0:00:29.300 --> 0:00:33.220 Obama speaking at Salem State University the other day, where 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.820 he talks about how he used to fantasize and still 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:40.250 does fantasize about having women run all of the world's governments. 0:00:41.990 --> 0:00:49.590 Even when I was president, I sometimes fantasized about if 0:00:49.630 --> 0:00:55.920 you put women in charge of every government for like 0:00:56.000 --> 0:01:01.240 two years. And then just kind of saw, all right, 0:01:01.260 --> 0:01:07.140 how are things going? I have a strong belief that 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:09.700 things would, they wouldn't be perfect. 0:01:10.750 --> 0:01:17.610 But they'd be better. I'm confident about that. I really do. 0:01:18.690 --> 0:01:21.990 He's such a BS-er. So there it is. So what 0:01:22.010 --> 0:01:22.709 do you think, Jeff? 0:01:23.310 --> 0:01:26.610 Is he being for real here, or is he just 0:01:26.650 --> 0:01:32.020 patronizing vote grab to troll woman voters? 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.580 You nailed it. Look, it's what the British call clap trap. 0:01:36.620 --> 0:01:39.540 A trap for a clap. That's where the term comes from, 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.400 a clap trap. It's a British expression. So you will 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:45.410 say something. It's a room basically full of feminists. So 0:01:45.450 --> 0:01:48.570 it's full of women, you know, female TikTok feminists, actually. 0:01:49.090 --> 0:01:52.990 And he's like, if only all of you ran the world. 0:01:54.990 --> 0:01:59.790 You know, oh, everything, it wouldn't be perfect, but oh, 0:01:59.810 --> 0:02:02.270 it'd be a hell of a lot better. You know, 0:02:02.570 --> 0:02:04.930 so if that's the case, why did you run against 0:02:04.970 --> 0:02:08.620 a woman in 2008 and beat her? For the Democratic primary, 0:02:08.660 --> 0:02:12.940 Hillary Clinton. You phony, you fraud, you. That's point number one. 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:17.080 Point number two. Well, we saw Kamala. Was she good? 0:02:17.340 --> 0:02:19.019 Was she good for the country? Was she good for 0:02:19.060 --> 0:02:23.940 the world? Here, we have a female governor of Massachusetts, 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:29.040 Maura Healey. Is she good? Is she making your life better? Okay, 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.720 Kathy Hochul up in New York. People in New York, 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:36.780 she's making your life any better up there? In other words, 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.460 I'm not saying there aren't brilliant female leaders. Of course 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:43.139 they are. One of my great, you know, I admire, 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:47.100 for example, Margaret Thatcher immensely. Golda Meir. I mean, I 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:50.800 could run down the whole list. Here in the United States, 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:56.570 there are some superb female governors and senators. Marsha Blackburn 0:02:56.610 --> 0:03:00.070 in Tennessee, to me, I think is outstanding. But no, 0:03:00.770 --> 0:03:05.630 he's pandering, he's playing to the gallery, and he's BSing. 0:03:06.490 --> 0:03:09.850 In other words, he's trolling. But that's me. I want 0:03:09.870 --> 0:03:14.359 to hear from you. 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Andy in New Hampshire. 0:04:02.500 --> 0:04:04.700 Thanks for holding, Andy, and welcome. 0:04:07.580 --> 0:04:08.160 Hello, Jeff. 0:04:08.500 --> 0:04:08.880 Hi, Andy. 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:11.860 Where's Judge Judy when you need her? 0:04:14.100 --> 0:04:16.640 Oh, she would have run a very different trial. I 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:17.520 agree with you, Andy. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:24.420 Country needs more bulldog judges. This is making a mockery 0:04:24.460 --> 0:04:30.650 of the judicial system big time. And it's just she's 0:04:30.690 --> 0:04:32.290 not going to get away with this one way or 0:04:32.330 --> 0:04:34.810 the other the way I see it, because her life 0:04:35.070 --> 0:04:40.000 would be misery in jail forever. or left free to go, whatever, 0:04:40.220 --> 0:04:44.960 or in an institution. So she's, you know, let nature 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:50.169 take its course, but she doesn't have a life anymore. 0:04:50.230 --> 0:04:56.589 But this whole court system, it's not right. Things are 0:04:56.750 --> 0:04:58.090 not looking good with that. 0:04:58.850 --> 0:05:01.250 Well, Andy, let me ask you this. Look, I know 0:05:01.270 --> 0:05:04.250 the judges come under a lot of criticism, and I'm 0:05:04.330 --> 0:05:06.810 part of it, I think he deserves all of the 0:05:06.850 --> 0:05:10.920 criticism he's been getting. But he basically oversaw a circus. 0:05:12.460 --> 0:05:16.219 And he let the defense run wild. And, you know, 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:21.640 Reddington was intimidating that loan holdout juror. He was targeting 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:25.240 that loan holdout juror. He was making all kinds of 0:05:25.300 --> 0:05:29.840 outlandish statements outside the courtroom, even during the trial. And 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.800 where was the gag order? I mean, the judge should 0:05:32.820 --> 0:05:35.719 have said, shut your mouth. You're not going to turn 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.279 this into a freak show. You know, this is not 0:05:39.300 --> 0:05:41.990 going to be a P.T. Barnum act. This is not 0:05:42.020 --> 0:05:45.510 about you getting your face on the camera. And instead, 0:05:46.110 --> 0:05:48.590 he just let this guy, you know, run his mouth 0:05:49.170 --> 0:05:51.730 and go in front of every TV camera and make 0:05:51.850 --> 0:05:55.469 every outlandish charge you could possibly make. And so I 0:05:55.490 --> 0:05:58.990 got to ask you, Andy, did the judge lose control 0:05:59.170 --> 0:06:00.430 over this entire case? 0:06:02.290 --> 0:06:05.560 Absolutely. He never stepped in when he should have. And 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.020 even after yesterday, he should have stepped in and said, 0:06:09.060 --> 0:06:11.200 this isn't going to be allowed. Forget it. Just the 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:14.599 evidence that's there and everything, it just shouldn't have been allowed. 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.400 The judge, they just sit there. They don't step in. 0:06:17.900 --> 0:06:20.279 The days of the old bulldog judges seem to have 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.080 gone away, but they need them back. 0:06:22.460 --> 0:06:22.760 Amen. 0:06:23.610 --> 0:06:23.870 Amen. 0:06:24.510 --> 0:06:28.070 Andy, thank you very much for that call. Look, I 0:06:28.089 --> 0:06:30.060 would have put him on, you know, right on the spot. No, 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:32.580 I'm not going to declare her. I'm not going to, 0:06:32.620 --> 0:06:35.460 you know, I'm not going to acquit her. OK, just 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:38.920 super quick. Let me just play one cut, which pretty 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:42.640 much sums up his motion yesterday. This is the defense attorney, 0:06:42.660 --> 0:06:47.660 Kevin Reddington. He's now changed the defense for Lindsay Clancy. 0:06:48.270 --> 0:06:50.950 in a new motion. He doesn't want this to go 0:06:50.990 --> 0:06:54.630 to a retrial or a second trial after the jury 0:06:54.690 --> 0:06:58.890 was deadlocked after the first trial. He now says, forget 0:06:58.930 --> 0:07:01.290 the fact that she admitted to doing it and I 0:07:01.390 --> 0:07:05.010 said she did it, but she's not responsible because she 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:09.359 had a psychosis. She was apparently insane. We're saying now 0:07:09.580 --> 0:07:14.850 something very different. There is no evidence that that Lindsay 0:07:14.910 --> 0:07:20.450 Clancy murdered her three children. She did not do it. 0:07:21.570 --> 0:07:23.930 Roll cut 22, Mike. 0:07:28.810 --> 0:07:30.990 So I ask the court to harken back to the 0:07:31.070 --> 0:07:34.850 evidence that was presented and ask yourself, where's the evidence 0:07:34.870 --> 0:07:35.470 that she did this? 0:07:36.270 --> 0:07:41.450 Where is the evidence that she did this? My question 0:07:41.490 --> 0:07:48.270 to you, Is Lindsay Clancy innocent or guilty? And do 0:07:48.330 --> 0:07:54.070 you believe that Kevin Reddington is right? Is there no evidence? 0:07:54.550 --> 0:07:58.830 Is this an innocent woman who has been framed? And 0:07:58.870 --> 0:08:02.510 there is another person out there who is the real killer. 0:08:02.540 --> 0:08:06.330 617- 266-6868. 0:08:06.970 --> 0:08:10.530 You know where I stand. I think she's guilty of sin. 0:08:11.030 --> 0:08:15.160 She did it. She planned it. It was premeditated. She's 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:19.100 guilty of first-degree murder. But now the defense is making 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:25.030 a completely different argument. Do you buy it? Linda in Medford. 0:08:25.170 --> 0:08:27.450 Thanks for holding, Linda, and welcome. 0:08:32.090 --> 0:08:36.160 I believe she's guilty. I do think she was postpartum. 0:08:36.860 --> 0:08:39.420 And I think the whole thing speaks to a bigger 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:45.540 issue that's going on. Many people that sexually abuse children, 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:50.319 they were sexually abused. So does that mean we excuse them? 0:08:50.340 --> 0:08:50.400 No. 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:59.770 I mean, when does this thinking train stop? It's unfortunate. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:05.380 And they're blaming everybody else, including the health care system, 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:10.000 which I believe has gone downhill since COVID. However, I 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.590 will say that with the type of drugs that she 0:09:13.660 --> 0:09:19.550 was being given, people frequently do change them because of 0:09:20.290 --> 0:09:24.709 side effects. So that wouldn't be unusual to two or 0:09:24.750 --> 0:09:28.680 three times have the medications changed. 0:09:30.950 --> 0:09:34.890 Well, Linda, I promise I'll let you finish. This is 0:09:34.950 --> 0:09:42.969 another thing. She was prescribed, apparently, in total, 13 powerful prescriptions. And, 0:09:43.070 --> 0:09:46.550 you know, remember, she called a suicide hotline twice. She 0:09:46.610 --> 0:09:49.650 apparently admitted to her husband and to her parents and 0:09:49.690 --> 0:09:53.010 the in-laws that she was thinking of hurting herself and 0:09:53.110 --> 0:09:57.830 even hurting the children. They admitted on the stand, the in-laws, 0:09:57.910 --> 0:10:01.290 the parents and the father, that she was Patrick Clancy, 0:10:02.260 --> 0:10:05.640 then the husband, that they were even thinking of removing 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.800 the children from the house because they feared that she 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.760 was going to be a danger, not just to herself, 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.719 but to them. But then they would look at her 0:10:13.740 --> 0:10:17.180 and she'd be feeding the kids or reading to the 0:10:17.220 --> 0:10:20.859 kids or whatever, attending to the children. And they said, 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.330 it doesn't seem to be that bad. In other words, 0:10:25.380 --> 0:10:29.449 we don't have to go to, you know, DEFCON 1. 0:10:29.450 --> 0:10:31.570 You know, we don't have to take this and remove 0:10:31.590 --> 0:10:36.030 the children. But they, you know, they were concerned to 0:10:36.050 --> 0:10:38.690 the point that they were thinking about removing the children. 0:10:39.330 --> 0:10:45.130 They know that she called a suicide hotline. she institutionalized herself. 0:10:46.070 --> 0:10:48.490 She went to a mental institution and said, please, I 0:10:48.530 --> 0:10:52.070 need help. And she had herself admitted into an institution 0:10:52.110 --> 0:10:57.570 for nearly five days. Now, the one thing that the defense, 0:10:57.690 --> 0:11:00.410 I think, is clearly lying about, they're lying about several things, 0:11:00.490 --> 0:11:03.800 but this one to me is without question. She wasn't 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:09.349 taking all 13 prescriptions at once. In fact, one of 0:11:09.370 --> 0:11:12.890 the complaints from the healthcare professionals and the psychiatrists who 0:11:12.929 --> 0:11:17.400 treated her was, we're giving you medication, you say you need, 0:11:17.580 --> 0:11:20.680 you're saying you have these symptoms, but you're not taking it. 0:11:21.980 --> 0:11:25.480 Or you only take it, let's say, once or twice. Well, 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.660 you know, for meds to work, you've got to take 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.829 them for whatever, a week, 10 days, you know, whatever 0:11:29.850 --> 0:11:31.850 it is. It's got to be for a longer period 0:11:31.870 --> 0:11:35.750 of time. So she wasn't taking all 13 at once, right? 0:11:37.190 --> 0:11:40.670 She didn't take some of the medication that was prescribed 0:11:41.290 --> 0:11:43.630 that the healthcare professional said would have helped her with 0:11:43.690 --> 0:11:51.790 her condition. And the toxicology report, which Reddington dismissed during 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:55.980 the trial, but the lone holdout juror said, no, why? 0:11:56.040 --> 0:12:00.900 He's not an expert. The toxicology report and the expert 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:05.220 said there was nothing in her system that in terms 0:12:05.260 --> 0:12:09.059 of the prescription medications that she was taking, that would 0:12:09.100 --> 0:12:15.000 have altered her mind or that would have caused hallucinations 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.780 or that would have had like sort of violent or 0:12:18.850 --> 0:12:25.250 aggressive impulses. So, and that's why, you know, the loan 0:12:25.270 --> 0:12:29.230 holdout juror, Michael Disronville, said that was one of the 0:12:29.270 --> 0:12:31.530 reasons why he said, no, I'm telling you, she's guilty. 0:12:32.830 --> 0:12:37.190 Don't try to blame the meds. The toxicology reports are clear. 0:12:37.250 --> 0:12:40.820 The meds did not cause her to do this. So, 0:12:40.940 --> 0:12:44.660 you see, the thing about Reddington and Clancy is that 0:12:44.700 --> 0:12:51.100 they blame everyone but themselves. Everyone but Lindsay. To the 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:58.030 point now that they're making the argument she didn't kill him. Okay, 0:12:58.070 --> 0:13:01.150 so who did? Well, they don't want to say that, 0:13:01.230 --> 0:13:04.130 but she didn't kill him. So you've got three dead kids, 0:13:04.850 --> 0:13:09.309 a mother who allegedly attempted suicide, threw herself through the 0:13:09.350 --> 0:13:13.400 window on the ground. Why would she do that if 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.620 she didn't kill her kids? So I guess someone then 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:22.730 threw her out the window to frame her. Okay, who, how? No, 0:13:23.450 --> 0:13:27.620 now they think or they're hoping that, They can play 0:13:28.140 --> 0:13:30.660 off of the sympathy for Lindsay from all of these 0:13:30.730 --> 0:13:36.849 TikTok feminists and all of this liberal mob and this 0:13:37.010 --> 0:13:41.370 media mob to pressure the judge into saying, I'm just 0:13:41.390 --> 0:13:43.510 going to give you an acquittal and this thing is over. 0:13:44.450 --> 0:13:45.490 Final word to you, Linda. 0:13:47.290 --> 0:13:55.200 I think she's guilty. I think she should be institutionalized. Somebody... 0:13:55.610 --> 0:14:01.209 has responsibility for those three children. And she had a 0:14:01.350 --> 0:14:07.309 lot of help. Her in-laws, her mother, her husband. 0:14:07.390 --> 0:14:07.910 A nanny. 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:08.920 A nanny. 0:14:09.020 --> 0:14:14.300 A husband who went working home full-time from his work said, please, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.420 I can't stay at the office. I have to work full-time. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:21.070 So he was home full-time. She saw multiple psychiatrists. She 0:14:21.110 --> 0:14:25.810 saw multiple health professionals. Look, I don't begrudge him, but, 0:14:25.990 --> 0:14:29.030 you know, Patrick was making a very good income. She 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:33.620 was also a labor delivery nurse. She was a very 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:39.090 highly skilled nurse. So she knew all about, you know, postpartum, 0:14:39.150 --> 0:14:45.070 postpartum depression, postpartum psychosis. So look, they lived well. I'm 0:14:45.090 --> 0:14:48.290 not begrudging them. I'm just saying she had a lot 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:53.800 more help and means than most people. And yet somehow 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.880 what I find incredible, Linda, is she's the victim. This 0:14:57.940 --> 0:15:00.740 is what I find incredible about Reddington and his entire defense. 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:06.260 It's like these three children don't exist. And let me 0:15:06.340 --> 0:15:10.590 tell you why the holdout juror held the line. A, 0:15:10.610 --> 0:15:13.850 he followed the evidence. He followed the law. But there 0:15:13.890 --> 0:15:16.729 was something else. And I'll play the video later because 0:15:16.750 --> 0:15:21.950 he released about a one-minute video. He is a devout 0:15:22.310 --> 0:15:27.900 Christian black man. He is a devout Roman Catholic in particular. 0:15:28.820 --> 0:15:32.100 So he says, for him, truth and being accountable to 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.880 God for your actions are everything. But he's also a 0:15:36.340 --> 0:15:40.500 young father. There are pictures of him holding his young 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:45.720 daughter in his arms. And so you can see on 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:50.100 the jury, he was immensely sympathetic to those three kids 0:15:51.460 --> 0:15:55.739 because he has his own little baby. And he's like, 0:15:56.100 --> 0:16:00.960 I'm seeing the kids through my daughter. If someone murdered 0:16:01.020 --> 0:16:03.720 my daughter, I would want justice for my young daughter. 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.360 I wanted the same justice for those three kids. And 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.860 the part where he drove the other 11 jurors absolutely 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:17.050 apoplectic was when he took out cans and he put 0:16:17.070 --> 0:16:22.530 the exercise bands around the cans to show everyone, do 0:16:22.570 --> 0:16:26.090 you know what it takes to strangle your child? And 0:16:26.110 --> 0:16:29.140 he starts squeezing the cans and squeezing the cans. And 0:16:29.180 --> 0:16:33.460 then he held it for a minute afterwards and as 0:16:33.500 --> 0:16:38.400 the child is kicking and the eyes are flushed with 0:16:38.460 --> 0:16:41.140 blood and the eyeballs are going to pop out and 0:16:41.860 --> 0:16:45.400 your body's jerking and jerking and jerking. And he said, 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:54.400 that's what she did once, twice, three times. If that's 0:16:54.460 --> 0:16:59.540 not premeditated murder, if that's not first degree murder, I 0:16:59.570 --> 0:17:04.820 don't know what is. And that's exactly what Michael Disronville said. 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.639 And he said, I told him, here I stand, I 0:17:09.660 --> 0:17:15.490 can do no other. That man is a hero. Linda, 0:17:15.869 --> 0:17:19.750 thank you very much for that call. Okay, this is 0:17:19.810 --> 0:17:26.000 a great point on Messenger from Larry. Jeff, I just 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.939 thought of something. All of these women making videos of 0:17:29.980 --> 0:17:36.970 themselves having breakdowns, breaking things in solidarity because of their 0:17:37.070 --> 0:17:43.630 mental stress as the excuse to kill kids. Now they've 0:17:43.710 --> 0:17:48.210 lost the argument based on the change by the defense 0:17:49.010 --> 0:17:53.980 that Lindsay Clancy didn't do it. That is a very 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:58.409 good point. It now undercuts All of these idiotic, you know, 0:17:58.510 --> 0:18:03.010 feminists on TikTok who, and it's true, it's video after video. 0:18:03.210 --> 0:18:08.439 It's really, it's very disturbing where they're yelling, shouting, screaming, 0:18:09.180 --> 0:18:14.459 like having mental breakdowns, smashing glasses and plates and, you know, 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:16.959 I'm under so much stress. 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:17.260 Sorry. 0:18:20.350 --> 0:18:23.330 I don't know what raising children does to them or 0:18:23.390 --> 0:18:27.780 having postpartum or the stresses of being a mother or whatever. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:33.970 And that somehow in solidarity with Lindsay, any woman could 0:18:34.070 --> 0:18:37.600 snap at any time and just say to hell with it, 0:18:37.730 --> 0:18:41.910 I'm going to kill my children. And, you know, this 0:18:41.950 --> 0:18:45.470 was the argument they kept making. She's not the, you know, 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:49.000 her emotions forced her to do it. Her psychosis forced 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:53.399 her to do it. Her mental breakdown made her do it. Well, 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:57.630 now they've undercut. Reddington is now completely undercut all of that. 0:18:58.910 --> 0:19:02.310 In other words, the reason for her cause celebre, the 0:19:02.350 --> 0:19:06.120 reason why she's become a celebrity is because she came 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.840 like a folk hero for many women who were saying, 0:19:08.859 --> 0:19:14.149 you know, we're just, we're at the breaking point. Well, now, no, 0:19:14.310 --> 0:19:18.270 it had nothing to do with her being postpartum or 0:19:18.330 --> 0:19:23.990 postpartum psychosis or her hormones or whatever. She didn't do it. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.899 She just didn't do it. Someone else did it. 0:19:29.220 --> 0:19:29.520 Who? 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:31.940 We don't know. But according to the lawyer now, she 0:19:31.980 --> 0:19:35.629 didn't do it. There's no evidence she did it, according 0:19:35.690 --> 0:19:39.179 to him. She never admitted now, apparently, that she did it. 0:19:40.050 --> 0:19:42.190 She just woke up in bed, and they all said, yeah, 0:19:42.230 --> 0:19:51.040 you did it. She said, okay. Tony in Gloucester, thanks for... holding, Tony, 0:19:51.540 --> 0:19:52.040 and welcome. 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:58.939 Jeff, Reddington just announced his defense. It was space aliens. 0:19:59.900 --> 0:20:05.010 They were fighting the UFOs. They wiped her memory. The 0:20:05.030 --> 0:20:07.470 space aliens. That's why she doesn't have any memory of 0:20:07.510 --> 0:20:11.840 the whole thing. I want people to go online and 0:20:11.900 --> 0:20:15.959 look at Reddington's record. He's tried to make himself famous 0:20:16.020 --> 0:20:21.820 by doing this insanity thing. Case in point, Whitey Bulger's girlfriend, 0:20:21.859 --> 0:20:22.440 remember her? 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:22.940 Yes. 0:20:23.420 --> 0:20:26.220 Who was her defense lawyer? The whole time she was 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:30.820 in Whitey, she was insane. Didn't work. She ended up 0:20:30.859 --> 0:20:34.960 going to jail. He had a few high-profile cases, which 0:20:35.030 --> 0:20:38.180 he never won over this defense. But everyone thinks he's 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:39.840 the guy for that defense. 0:20:41.220 --> 0:20:45.680 You know, Tony, I want to ask you, now, of course, 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:48.600 he's done a complete U-turn, okay? And I don't know 0:20:48.619 --> 0:20:51.020 what's going to happen now, but we'll see. But I 0:20:51.060 --> 0:20:54.939 want to ask you this. If you truly believe, now, 0:20:54.980 --> 0:20:56.850 I think he's lying, you know that, but let's just 0:20:56.890 --> 0:20:58.409 play it out because I'm going to take him at 0:20:58.450 --> 0:21:03.570 his word. If you truly believe your client is innocent, 0:21:03.890 --> 0:21:07.090 in other words, your client didn't do it, Someone else 0:21:07.230 --> 0:21:10.970 murdered those three kids. And I would assume by extension 0:21:11.030 --> 0:21:14.429 tried to murder her and threw her out the window 0:21:14.990 --> 0:21:16.889 to make it seem like she murdered the kids and 0:21:16.910 --> 0:21:20.800 then like a murder-suicide. And they succeeded with the kids. 0:21:20.820 --> 0:21:23.900 They didn't succeed with her. How the hell do you 0:21:23.980 --> 0:21:28.020 go through a six-week trial and repeatedly say, I could 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.100 play the clips again. I don't want to bore everybody, 0:21:30.140 --> 0:21:33.070 where he says repeatedly, no, no, she did it. No, 0:21:33.690 --> 0:21:36.609 I'm not disputing that. She did it. She just, you know, 0:21:36.670 --> 0:21:38.730 she was psychotic. She was not in the right state 0:21:38.750 --> 0:21:43.080 of mind. How do you do that? In other words, because, 0:21:43.180 --> 0:21:46.560 you know, look, even if they found her not guilty, 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:52.139 the jurors were going to send her to a mental institution. Whatever, 0:21:52.220 --> 0:21:55.120 two years, three years, five years, or 10 years, whatever 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:59.770 it is, you know, a psychiatric ward. So you're going 0:21:59.790 --> 0:22:03.570 to have this woman who, be put behind, you know, whatever, 0:22:03.630 --> 0:22:08.100 locked up or, you know, institutionalized for years and years 0:22:08.170 --> 0:22:11.380 and years, but now you're telling me she's been innocent 0:22:11.420 --> 0:22:14.740 the entire time, she never did it? Like, I'm sorry, 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:18.320 what kind of a scumbag does that? Tony, am I wrong? 0:22:18.340 --> 0:22:24.360 Ryan, but this is what's become of the law. You know, 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:29.210 here in liberal Massachusetts, I've had some experience in the 0:22:29.250 --> 0:22:31.130 courts over the years. Most of them have been good. 0:22:31.690 --> 0:22:33.409 I've got to tell you right now, I might get 0:22:33.450 --> 0:22:36.050 some flack about it, but a lot of these women judges, 0:22:36.510 --> 0:22:40.300 they're nuts. And the male judges are afraid to go 0:22:40.340 --> 0:22:44.219 up against them because, you know, they're just– all these 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:49.919 liberal judges, they're blatant feminists. And, boy, the male judges 0:22:50.300 --> 0:22:54.090 are afraid to overturn anything they did And this is 0:22:54.130 --> 0:22:57.170 what we're faced with now. This is what we're faced with. 0:22:57.550 --> 0:22:59.570 And a lot of these attorneys, there's too many attorneys, 0:23:00.150 --> 0:23:04.210 too many attorneys. And they're just, there's some real shysters 0:23:04.270 --> 0:23:06.520 out there. And Reddington has made a career of it. 0:23:06.590 --> 0:23:07.430 That's all I can say. 0:23:07.510 --> 0:23:10.390 Oh, you nailed it. He's made a career of it. Oh, 0:23:10.410 --> 0:23:14.570 you're right. You're right. That's why, you know, people, you know, 0:23:14.590 --> 0:23:16.709 a lot of people are saying, ah, Jeff, he's my lawyer. 0:23:16.790 --> 0:23:19.869 I wouldn't get him as my lawyer. This guy, if 0:23:19.910 --> 0:23:22.410 he's willing, because look, I'm telling you, he was willing 0:23:22.450 --> 0:23:25.010 to sell his client out. You're saying, well, what do 0:23:25.030 --> 0:23:27.870 you mean, Jeff? No, no, no, no. If the jury 0:23:27.950 --> 0:23:30.830 came back, it would have been not guilty by reason 0:23:30.869 --> 0:23:34.670 of insanity. Well, that means that she would have been 0:23:34.690 --> 0:23:38.969 in an asylum. She would have been institutionalized probably for years. 0:23:40.770 --> 0:23:44.600 But now you're telling me that she's innocent? You sold 0:23:44.619 --> 0:23:48.810 your client out. If your client is innocent, then your 0:23:48.850 --> 0:23:52.590 client shouldn't spend a single moment anywhere behind bars or 0:23:52.650 --> 0:23:56.260 in an institution. Now, she may have to get psychological 0:23:56.320 --> 0:24:01.260 or psychiatric help for depression, bipolar, whatever, but not in 0:24:01.340 --> 0:24:07.160 some asylum. So, no, he sold his client out. That's 0:24:07.180 --> 0:24:09.900 why I'm like, he thinks he's being cute. I'm looking 0:24:09.940 --> 0:24:11.780 at this and I'm saying, this guy's a bottom feeder. 0:24:13.980 --> 0:24:18.350 If I have a client... And my client is innocent 0:24:18.470 --> 0:24:21.510 of the charges against him. And I'm talking first degree murder. 0:24:23.090 --> 0:24:25.909 And I promise in about half an hour, I'm going 0:24:25.930 --> 0:24:28.679 to lay out exactly what he says. He's going on 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:31.240 about there's no evidence. I mean, you should see everything 0:24:31.260 --> 0:24:34.520 he's trying to claim. Well, if you really believe that, 0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:38.260 that's the defense you should have presented. If the case 0:24:38.300 --> 0:24:44.480 was that weak, that pathetic, that non-existent. that manufactured, then 0:24:44.500 --> 0:24:47.260 you should have destroyed him in the first trial by saying, no, 0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:51.699 my client, an innocent woman is being framed. I don't 0:24:51.720 --> 0:24:54.450 know by who, but she's being framed. She did not 0:24:54.670 --> 0:25:00.869 murder her three children. That's your defense. Not guilty, period. 0:25:02.130 --> 0:25:08.889 Not by reason of insanity. Not guilty, period. So again, 0:25:09.109 --> 0:25:14.010 how is this guy not freaking disbarred? Tony, thank you 0:25:14.050 --> 0:25:16.540 very much for that call. I wouldn't want him defending me, 0:25:16.580 --> 0:25:22.179 I'll tell you this. Diana in New Bedford. Thanks for holding, Diana, 0:25:22.540 --> 0:25:23.020 and welcome. 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:24.379 Hello. 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:25.820 Hi. 0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:30.730 I side with the lone juror. He's right that she 0:25:30.790 --> 0:25:35.430 was the murderer. And I think the prosecution has to 0:25:35.630 --> 0:25:39.070 get smart and get tough because there's another way to 0:25:39.300 --> 0:25:42.960 say she did it and she didn't do it. by 0:25:43.020 --> 0:25:47.320 saying she has a split personality and that the other 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:50.940 part did it and tried to kill her and throw 0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:54.619 her out the window and she had no idea. I 0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:58.899 think the prosecution is too weak. They got to dismiss 0:25:59.280 --> 0:26:06.020 every single possibility and prove that she wasn't a split personality, whatever, 0:26:06.660 --> 0:26:08.580 and try to get her because she is just a 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:13.609 pure murderer. She just got tired of of being overwhelmed 0:26:13.810 --> 0:26:14.790 by three children. 0:26:17.050 --> 0:26:20.390 Diana, I think you so hit the nail on the head. 0:26:20.790 --> 0:26:25.400 It's not even funny. Miranda Devine from the New York Post, 0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:27.560 who personally I think is one of the best columnists 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:30.740 in the country, she's one of the few people I read, 0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:33.960 you know, religiously. A lot of people I read, I 0:26:34.140 --> 0:26:36.129 read Victor Davis Hanson. I mean, I don't want to 0:26:36.150 --> 0:26:38.730 tell you what I read, but I don't read everything 0:26:38.790 --> 0:26:42.229 they write. Usually it's got to be the topic. But 0:26:43.030 --> 0:26:45.830 I respect them and I admire them and I want 0:26:45.850 --> 0:26:47.230 to know what they have to say. So I read 0:26:47.270 --> 0:26:49.580 them quite often. But Miranda Devine is one of the 0:26:49.619 --> 0:26:52.720 few columnists that I don't miss a column because I 0:26:52.740 --> 0:26:56.680 think she's that good. And that was her argument that 0:26:56.760 --> 0:27:00.680 she said, look, as a woman, as a mother, she goes, 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:03.600