1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,239 Speaker 1: This is Skyline Chile. Since he three to sixty about 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: Cincinnati from Cincinnati, sponsored in part by Skyline Chile. Stop 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: by Skyline Chile for a three way or cheeze Cony today. 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: Feeling good, It's Skyline time. This is ESPN fifteen thirty 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Sports Station. 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: Hi, Hello and welcome in to another day of Sincy 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: three to sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. My name 8 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: is Austin Elmore. Happy to be with you today. For 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: the next three hours, ahead of Moegger from three to 10 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: six this afternoon, we've got Bengals game plan from six 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: to eight tonight, Dan Horde, Dave Lapham, they're gonna be 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: right down the street in Silverton and they're gonna be 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: joined by Sam Hubbard later this evening as well. So 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: keep it tuned right here. The next eight hours, we've 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: got local coverage and talking a little bit of everything. 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: There's a little bit of Red's News to discuss. We've 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 2: got some bear Cats to get to. We're gonna do 18 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: talkbacks as we normally do quick Kids with Mo, but 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: for the first two hours it's me and you, and 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 2: it's specifically talking a little bit of Bengals we'll get 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: to that in just a minute. What else do we 22 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: have though, Well, at two o'clock, we're gonna split it 23 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 2: with Reds and Bearcats. You know Jeff Carr. You know 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: our friend Jeff Carr. We normally have him on to 25 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 2: talk Reds, but Jeff also has a Bearcats podcast now, 26 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: so we're gonna talk to him a little bit about 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: that and a little bit of U see football, U 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 2: See basketball all coming up. West Miller talked earlier today 29 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: obviously some bad news yesterday that came down yesterday afternoon 30 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: evening about Jalen Hayes. We'll talk about all that coming 31 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: up as well. So that's the plan for later on. 32 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: We'll also do some headlines and get you fully up 33 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: to date because Major League Baseball playoffs are continuing, and 34 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: of course we're on the eve, the eve the precipice 35 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: of the White Bengal Thursday Night Football tomorrow on ESPN 36 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Bengal and Steelers tomorrow. Gonna be joined by 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: John Sheeran as we are every single Thursday, and Brooke Pryor, 38 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: who covers the Pittsburgh Steelers for ESPN, is gonna stop 39 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: by as well. But that's then and this is now. 40 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 2: There's a lot going on with the Bengals. There's a 41 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: lot of different storylines, a lot of different ways you 42 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: could look at things. And I think a week or 43 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: two weeks ago, I had officially been out on Zach Taylor, right, 44 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: and really that hasn't changed. I still don't know that 45 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: he's the right guy to keep this thing going. I 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: appreciate Zach. I got a lot of love and respect 47 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: for Zach, and like I will always be fond of 48 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: those teams twenty one twenty two with the Joe Burrow era, 49 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: the Zach Taylor era. I mean, there's been some signature moments, 50 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: most notably one in twenty twenty on a Monday night 51 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: primetime game against the Pittsburg Steelers, where the Bengals, who 52 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: had lost their quarterback for the season and were playing 53 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 2: Ryan Finley, found a way to win and they did 54 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: so with their defense. And so maybe history repeats itself 55 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: on Thursday night. And I would love nothing more. And 56 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: I would love for the end of the season to 57 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 2: come around and the Bengals are flirting with the playoffs 58 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: and I maybe change my mind about Zach Taylor. That's 59 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: what I would love to happen. But I don't see 60 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: that path right now, because if you open up the 61 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: box of what happens after the Bengals play the Steelers Thursday, 62 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: let's say there's two boxes. The box if they lose 63 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: in the box if they win, well, if they win, 64 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh goes to four and two, the Bengals go to 65 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: three and four, and as we've talked about, there's a 66 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: path with the Jets and the Bears at pay Court 67 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: Stadium going into the bye week. I think that makes 68 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: a lot of sense. Also, that would suggest that maybe 69 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: there's some progress being made with the offense, that there's 70 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: some progress being made with the young players on defense, 71 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: and maybe just maybe this team is close to turning 72 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: a corner. DJ Turner, ironically enough, a corner was asked 73 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: about the team turning a corner yesterday and he said, yes, 74 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: we feel very close to that. We feel like we're 75 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: close to turning a corner. I don't know if I 76 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 2: would say that they're at that point, but this does 77 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: feel like a pivot point right Thursday night football. This 78 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: is going to determine the direction of the season. You know, 79 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 2: we've been caught up in the negative side of things 80 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: so much on the defense. But you know, I don't 81 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: think anybody's been displeased with Shamar Stewart from when he's 82 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: played this year, and by the way Al Golden saying 83 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 2: yesterday Shamar is going to play and play a lot 84 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: on Thursday. That's good. But when he played, you could 85 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: see it. You weren't supremely disappointed in Shamar Stewart. DJ Turner, 86 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: very quietly over the last month has turned into a 87 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: pretty solid player. You could see the development. You can 88 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: see maybe the light bulb has come on for DJ Turner. 89 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: Dax Hill has played pretty well as well. I still 90 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: think there's parts of Dax's game that need to be unlocked, 91 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: and maybe we'll see some of that Thursday when it 92 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: comes to Al Golden. But there have been some positives, 93 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 2: there's been some stuff to build on. Trey Henderson still 94 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: a positive. His status up in the air for Thursday 95 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: due to that hip injury that he's dealing with, but 96 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: you can, at least on paper c okay. The offense 97 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 2: showed up in the second half against the Packers. The defense, 98 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: some of the young players have started to say, oh, oh, 99 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: there's DJ Turner, Oh there's Dax Hill. We had that 100 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: feeling about Shamar Stewart, and hopefully fresh off of that 101 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 2: ankle injury, he's able to perform at a high level 102 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: on Thursday against the Pittsburgh Steelers offensive line that's not 103 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: very good. Can that finally be a part of the 104 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: Bengals story is that the defense helps win a football game. 105 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: Happened in Week one, right, tip passes, opportunistic, found a 106 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: way to win. That's what they have to be. And 107 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: they're just kind of throwing stuff at the wall. Not 108 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: a great place to be in, but maybe something's gonna work. 109 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: Maybe something's going to stick, and maybe Thursday is that 110 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 2: opportunity and you get a chance to parlay that into 111 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 2: a stretch against two bad teams that you're supposed to 112 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: be at home in the Jets and the Bears. And 113 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if the Bears are bad, but I 114 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: don't know that I would say the Bears are good. 115 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: But you get the point a winnable game at home 116 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 2: against Chicago, and then you go into the bye week 117 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 2: and hopefully you get a little bit more healthy and 118 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: hopefully there's you know, a trend in the right direction 119 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 2: that something clicks. But if you open up that box 120 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 2: that says the Bengals lose Thursday, things get out of 121 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: hand quickly. Then you're two and five and Pittsburgh is 122 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: five and one, and any chance you have of the 123 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: division is basically out the door from that point forward, 124 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: especially considering the schedule that the Pittsburgh Steelers have to play. 125 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 2: If the offense underperforms again, then we start questioning whether 126 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: or not Joe Flacco is the answer. The heat gets 127 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: cranked up on Zach Taylor even more and you start 128 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 2: wondering about effort. You start wondering are guys gonna be 129 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: able to are guys gonna quit on this season? And that, ultimately, 130 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: to me is the biggest test of the Zach Taylor 131 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:56,119 Speaker 2: culture is when you're losing it, when adversity strikes, how 132 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: exactly do you handle it. You look at Psburgh's upcoming 133 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: schedule after this Thursday night game, they play the Packers 134 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 2: on a Sunday night. That's going to be a big 135 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: one for Aaron Rodgers, although that game is in Pittsburgh. 136 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: They play the Colts, the Chargers, the Bengals again, the Bears, 137 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: the Bills, the Ravens who stink all of a sudden, 138 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 2: Miami who stinks Detroit, Cleveland, Baltimore. So it's not an 139 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: easy schedule, but the style of play that Pittsburgh has, 140 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: those are winnable games for them. I would say all 141 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 2: of them are, especially if Rogers starts getting back to 142 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: his old ways. But for the Bengals specifically, you just 143 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 2: benched a team captain and a guy who's been here 144 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: a long time in Logan Wilson, in favor of Barrett Carter, 145 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: a rookie who performed very poorly against the Green Bay Packers. 146 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: You signed Dalton Reisner and are probably gonna bench him 147 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: this week for a rookie, and Dylan Fairchild you benched 148 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: him already for a rookie and Jalen Rivers. You're making 149 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: some moves here that could lose a section of the 150 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: locker room, could affect the effort, could have a trickle 151 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: down effect all the way to the bottom of the 152 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: roster and ultimately on Zach Taylor, ultimately on the future 153 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: of the organization. This to me is not just hey, 154 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: let's see what happens, let's hope for the best against 155 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh on a Thursday night, and yeah, Joe Flacco, no, no, no, 156 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: it's time to turn up the volume here. It's time 157 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: to make it abundantly clear to everybody in the organization. 158 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 2: This is a turning point. Rewind to that twenty twenty 159 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: season after Burrow had gotten hurt. The Steelers were eleven 160 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: and one, Cincinnati was terrible, and they came in here 161 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: on a Monday night. We've talked in referenced this game 162 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: for a long time because it felt like the turning point. 163 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: It was when that free agent class of guys like 164 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 2: DJ Reader and Von Bell and others. It's when they 165 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: took hold. It's when they made their presence, felt Mike Hilton, 166 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: guys like that, and it's when it started. The tide 167 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 2: started to turn in favor of the Bengals, and it 168 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 2: was a belief that, hey, we have something in this 169 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 2: locker room that's strong. We have a group, a core, 170 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 2: a togetherness. We always reference that game because it was 171 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: a turning point and because of what it led to. 172 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: Can Thursday be the same type of turning point? Can 173 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 2: it be a turning point where the young guys take control? 174 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: Can DJ Turner locked down? Dk Metcalf, Can the young 175 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: linebackers show up in the run game? Can they Aaron Rodgers? 176 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 2: Can they make his life hell. Can Shamar Stewart shine 177 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 2: on the national stage against an offensive line that he 178 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: should be able to get to the quarterback against in 179 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 2: what was a previous turning point shifted towards the veteran 180 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 2: leadership and the group that's going to carry the Bengals 181 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 2: to the Super Bowl the final the following season. Can 182 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: there be a similar turning point with the youth movement 183 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: that's now being tested on defense? Can they arrive on 184 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: the national stage against a bitter rival and a legendary 185 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: quarterback and show the world and show themselves and show 186 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 2: Bengals fans, yeah, we can do this and parlay that 187 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,599 Speaker 2: into a run this season. Or will it be a 188 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: turning point in the opposite direction that means this isn't working, 189 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: We've got to go somewhere else. I think it's interesting 190 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: the juxtaposition of how you could view the moves that 191 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: the Bengals are making right now, because you could look 192 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: at this youth movement on defense and on the offensive 193 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: line again, Dylan Fairchild, Jalen Rivers, Samar Stewart, maybe you 194 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: we'll see some more Josh Newton, but DJ Turner, Dax Hill, 195 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: Barrett Carter, Demetrius Knight Junior and the benching of Logan Wilson. 196 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 2: And I think on one hand, you can say, Okay, 197 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: this is a move, or these are a series of 198 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 2: moves that reek of desperation, just trying really really hard 199 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: to see if something's going to work, because nothing else will. 200 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 2: I think you could even say that move about Joe 201 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 2: Flacco a move that reeks with desperation, or it is 202 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: a organizational commitment similar to what we've told all off season, 203 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: which is that the young guys need to play and 204 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 2: we're willing to go through the growing pains, especially without 205 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, because without Joe, I think there's a little 206 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: bit less pressure to win overall, because the expectations come 207 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: down a notch, right, and Joe is basically not there 208 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 2: on the field to raise the level of play of 209 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: everyone else. And I'm not saying this is right, but 210 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: this is the feeling that I get. And so without Joe, 211 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: nobody really expects them to be as competitive, at least 212 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: outside of Cincinnati and outside of this radio station and 213 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,239 Speaker 2: in this media market, because I do think the expectations 214 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: are still there for this team to perform better than 215 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: they have because once you have a taste of winning. 216 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 2: Once you have a taste of a Super Bowl, once 217 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 2: you have a taste of being a contender, you don't 218 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: want to lose that. You become bloodthirsty. You are seeking 219 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: that out, hungry for that all the time, and Bengals 220 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 2: fans should keep that hunger and keep that desire. I 221 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: think so it's either a move of complete desperation because 222 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: they have no other place to turn, or it's a 223 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: move of an organizational philosophy to play the young players, 224 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: give them a chance to develop so that by the 225 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: end of the year they'll get better and going into 226 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: next year they'll get better and when Joe Burrow is back, 227 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: they'll be ready to play. Or there's another option with 228 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: the trade for Joe Flacco. Maybe that was indicative a 229 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 2: tip of the cap from the front office and ownership 230 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: do Zach Taylor to say, you know what, are bad. 231 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: We didn't give you a good enough roster. We've screwed 232 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: up Jake Brown. He's not good enough. Here's a veteran 233 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: quarterback that should be able to at least operate the offense. 234 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: That's on us. This team isn't good enough. And maybe 235 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: that was signaling the old vote of confidence in Zach 236 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 2: Taylor because two weeks ago I said, they lose to Pittsburgh, 237 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: Zach Taylor should be fired on Friday. That's what I said. 238 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: For the most part, I stand by that. I do 239 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: think Flacco makes things a little bit different. But I 240 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 2: do think that's also a possibility that that was a 241 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: signal to Zach, Yeah, are bad. We screwed up, and 242 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: we got to fix this. Here's a quarterback. Whether it 243 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 2: was the right quarterback to go after or not, who knows, 244 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: but here's a quarterback, and you get some grace here 245 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: because of how bad these young players are, which then 246 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: turns the spotlight to Douketobin and also changes the tenor 247 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: of the entire season. Right is it's not about winning anymore. 248 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: It's about development. It's about what can you get out 249 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 2: of the young players on the field. So I think 250 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: those are like the three avenues here, Zach Taylor, you 251 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: get to do whatever you want. You're our coach from 252 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: now and for the foreseeable future. This roster wasn't good enough. 253 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: It was unfair to you. Take your time and figure 254 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: out your way to develop these guys so that they're 255 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: ready to go next year or Hey, we just went 256 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: and got you a quarterback. It's on you to start 257 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: winning now. Or we just needed to get these guys 258 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: some playing time because we're gonna need them later this season. 259 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 2: How do you see it? Five one, three, seven four nine, 260 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Uh, phone calls coming up later on in 261 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: our number one, we'll continue the Bengals conversation an hour 262 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: two talkbacks as well football and the Natty coming up 263 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 2: when we get back. We got a call of the 264 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: day to get to Moeggar for quick hits, Jeff Carr 265 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: a little bit later on on the Red to the Bearcats, 266 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: and so much more. Five one, three, seven, four nine, 267 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. That's the phone number I'm ast to know more. 268 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: Hour one of Sincy three to sixty brought to you 269 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: by Skyline Chilly on the Home of the Bengals, ESPN 270 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. 271 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: Nasty is Football in the Natti, brought to you byst 272 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 3: I'm in law on ESPN fifteen point thirty, the official 273 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 3: home of the Cincinnati Bengals. 274 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: Welcome back. It's football in the Natty time here on 275 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: Cincy three to sixty. I'm Austin Olmore. Let's get you 276 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: up to date with the injury reports from yesterday. Starting 277 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: with Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh's pretty healthy to be honest. Most of 278 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: their dnps did not practices this week. Came from rest. 279 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: Guys like DK Metcalf, Jalen Ramsey, Aaron Rodgers, Darius Slay, 280 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: TJ Watt, Deshaun Elliott, big names, important names, all not 281 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: practicing all because of rest, So not a surprise on 282 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: a short week. But there are a few injuries. Miles Killibrew, 283 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 2: safety for Pittsburgh, did not practice Monday or Tuesday with 284 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: a knee injury. Wide receiver Austin or Calvin Austen dealing 285 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: with a shoulder injury, did not practice Monday or Tuesday. 286 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 2: And linebacker Malik Harrison, the former Ohio State Buckeye, was 287 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: just re activated to be able to practice due to 288 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 2: a knee injury. He was limited both Monday and Tuesday. 289 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: That's the Pittsburgh practice report. What about the Bengals, Well, 290 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: it's either full participation in practice or did not participate 291 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: in practice. Let's start with who didn't Mike Gasiki, which, 292 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: by the way, earlier today the Bengals put Mike Gasiki 293 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: on the IR which means he'll miss at least four games. 294 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: I think the expectation is it'll be longer than that. 295 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: For Mike g he didn't practice. Trey Hendrickson, dealing with 296 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: that hip injury, did not practice Monday or Tuesday. Tray 297 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 2: has played in forty two consecutive games for Cincinnati. It 298 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: would be a big loss without him Thursday. Bj Hill, 299 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: due to rest, did not practice each of the last 300 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: two days. Tanner Hudson dealing with a concussion, did not 301 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: practice Monday or Tuesday, and Charlie Jones, dealing with a 302 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 2: rib injury, did not practice on Monday or Tuesday. What 303 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 2: about Dylan Fairchild, He was a full participant both Monday 304 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 2: and Tuesday. Great news for the Bengals. There as was 305 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 2: Amarius Mims dealing with a bit of an ankle. He 306 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 2: was a full participant Monday and Tuesday. Shamar Stewart dealing 307 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: with an ankle, was a full participant Monday and Tuesday. 308 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: And Lucas Patrick of course designated to return. He's still 309 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: on the IR, but he's been cleared to practice. He 310 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 2: was a full participant on Monday and Tuesday. I would 311 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 2: imagine with Mike Giseki going on the IR, that could 312 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: open up the slot for Lucas Patrick to get activated. 313 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if that's going to happen this week, 314 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 2: but for the most part, outside of Trey Hendrickson, a 315 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: relatively good report for the Bengals. Let's go to the 316 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 2: phones five, one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty if 317 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: you want to call in and be a part of 318 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: the show, talking Bengals. Here in our number one. Let's 319 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: go to Cold Spring. Let's talk to Tom. What's going on? Tom? 320 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 4: Hey, awesome. I'm in my truck driving home. But I'm 321 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 4: a season ticket holder and the Bengals, maybe every team 322 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 4: is like this. It's pretty cage. You get a notice 323 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 4: before November the first that it's time to renew for 324 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 4: next year, and then it's for equal payments starting in 325 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 4: I think January or December, so you can't really tell 326 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 4: how the season's going to go before you've got to 327 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 4: make up your mind. For me, it's for four tickets. 328 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: It's thirty five hundred dollars. We've got decent seats on 329 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 4: the forty three yard line, way up high. But you 330 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 4: know it's a great way to see a passing play unfold. Sure, 331 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 4: I'm just I'm I think the Bengals could have gotten 332 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 4: Demetrius Night in the third round and take and take 333 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 4: Rentleas or rentlets whoever. Dealing fair Child's buddy offensive lineman 334 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 4: at Georgia, which everybody on national broadcast seemed to be 335 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 4: raving about. We just seem to always reach a little 336 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 4: bit for our draft picks. I'm okay with Shamar Stuart, 337 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 4: but this, you know, why give them thirty five hundred 338 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 4: dollars and say good job. It's bad enough to feel 339 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,239 Speaker 4: bad on Monday morning when they lose, but when you've 340 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 4: got a financial investment, I think it's quite bad. 341 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's difficult. And I know you're 342 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: not alone. I've talked to a lot of Bengals season 343 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: ticket holders that are dealing with this scenario because they 344 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: don't know if they feel comfortable reinvesting in the current 345 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: leadership and the current you know, way the team is built, 346 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: and especially you know, if you've been a season ticket 347 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: holder for a while and through the Joe Burrow era, 348 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 2: he's missed half the games for the last you know, 349 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: three out of the last six years, and he's you know, 350 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 2: alone worth the price of admission. So yeah, man, that's tough. 351 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 2: And I would imagine most teams are like that because 352 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: they want you to stick around. But I mean, is 353 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 2: is there anything that can happen tomorrow tom that you 354 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 2: feel like will be like, Okay, I'm comfortable doing that again. 355 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 4: Well if they obviously, if they can pull it out. 356 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 5: Uh. 357 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 4: The only game I've been to this year at home 358 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 4: because my wife, my kids, and everybody get the share 359 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 4: in the tickets. We were there for the Jacksonville comeback 360 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 4: and I almost passed out. The excitement was so good. 361 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 4: I mean, I said to my wife, this is worth 362 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 4: one hundred and ten dollars a seat to see this. 363 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 364 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 4: You know, if you could get something like that every week, 365 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 4: it wouldn't be a hard decision to renew. But when 366 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 4: you see a defense that just cannot get a stop 367 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 4: on third down in Green Bay, I mean, we had 368 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 4: a chance for three minutes to go. If you could 369 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 4: have stopped a third and ten and Placo was on 370 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 4: a roll, who knows. Yep, So I'd like to win 371 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 4: tomorrow night would certainly start to push me one way 372 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 4: or another off the fence I'm sitting on right now. 373 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 4: It's a tough choice. Yeah, Yeah, I think you're doing 374 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 4: a great. I think you're doing a great job. I 375 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 4: miss Tony bad, but you know, life goes on and 376 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 4: hopefully something with Ucal develop. I think he would be 377 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 4: perfect fit for those those guys on their broadcast, so 378 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 4: let's hope for the best there. 379 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: I agree with you, Tom, Thank you, I appreciate it. 380 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 2: Thank you for the phone call. A lot of people 381 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 2: sitting on the fence, a lot of people frustrate. That's 382 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 2: a lot of money. It's a lot of money. I 383 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 2: know prices have increased too. I mean, I get what 384 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 2: the Bengals are trying to do. I get what fans 385 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 2: are trying to do. And I'll never tell anybody how 386 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,479 Speaker 2: to spend their money. You do it however you want to. 387 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: But that is a significant financial commitment. And you know, 388 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 2: kind of like I was talking last yesterday in the 389 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: show about you know, how the Packers make you feel 390 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 2: valued if you're an opposing fan, if you're their fan, 391 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 2: whatever it is. There's a lot of Packers fans that 392 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: are unhappy with Matt Lafleur. There's Packers fans that are 393 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: not happy with certain aspects of the way that that 394 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 2: franchise has built their football team over the last couple 395 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 2: of years. But and I know that the Packers are 396 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 2: an entirely different beast when it comes to season tickets. 397 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: But what did they do prior to this season? They 398 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 2: made a huge move to acquire one of the best 399 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: players in the game because they felt their team was 400 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: good enough and they felt they could compete in the 401 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: NFC to go to the Super Bowl. They have a 402 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 2: division rival in Detroit that has put up incredible offensive 403 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 2: numbers and built a really good offense. So what did 404 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: Green Bay do. They went and got the best pass 405 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 2: rusher available, Ben Johnson, leaves Detroit to go to Chicago 406 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: to try to build up their offense. Green Bay has 407 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: to deal with that. Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison are 408 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 2: down the street Minnesota as well. Green Bay goes to 409 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: defend that. And they drafted for the first time in 410 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: twenty years or maybe the first time ever, a wide 411 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 2: receiver in the first round to try to keep up offensively. 412 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: And so it makes you feel like as a fan, Okay, yes, 413 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 2: they get it, they understand and they're trying. That's what 414 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: I want as a fan, especially if I'm giving you 415 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 2: my money. If I'm giving you my money, I want 416 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 2: to feel like you're reinvesting in me, You're making it 417 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 2: worth my while, you're drawing me to that stadium each week. 418 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of Bengals fans it would 419 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: be fair to say I don't really feel like they're 420 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 2: doing that for me. Right, you want to go Thursday 421 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 2: to see the white helmets and the white field. Okay, well, 422 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 2: we've seen that for a few years now and it's 423 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 2: a great environment and they deserve a lot of credit 424 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: for that. But the shine starts to wear off if 425 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 2: you don't play well. Last year four twenty five Philadelphia 426 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: Eagles October White Bengal game, got their ass kicked, embarrassed. 427 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 2: The shine starts to come off. That's an issue, right, 428 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 2: And when there have been consistent mistakes made in the draft, 429 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 2: you become less anticipatory of what's going to happen and 430 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: how you can build the team and make it better, 431 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 2: and you start thinking, all right, how could this go poorly? 432 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 2: How are they going to screw up this draft pick? 433 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 2: That's unfortunately the narrative around the team right now is 434 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 2: that they don't have the ability to draft when it's 435 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: not a layup like Joe Burrow or Jamar Chase like 436 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 2: it or not, that's the narrative, like it or not, 437 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 2: that's going to drive people in a direction of what 438 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: to do with their money, what to do with their tickets. 439 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: It's a two way street. I think the Bengals know that. 440 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: I think fans know that, and you choose to do 441 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 2: whatever you want to do with your money. But I 442 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: think in life, we all kind of want to feel wanted, 443 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: don't we, Especially if you're investing in someone or something 444 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: or a product, you want to feel like you're part 445 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 2: of it. And Tomorrow night, if you're a Bengals fan, 446 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: there's no better environment Thursday night home wide out. It's 447 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: amazing and you do feel like you're a part of something. 448 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: But it becomes more and more hollow the less competitive 449 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: the team is, and that's a problem. We'll take a break. 450 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 2: We'll come back more phone calls. Plus you'll hear from 451 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: Joe Flacco and Jamar Chase what they had to say yesterday. 452 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: This is since he three sixty and this has been 453 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 2: Football in the NATTY on the Home of the Bengals, 454 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. 455 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 3: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN 456 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 3: fifteen thirty. The official home of the Cincinnati Bengals. 457 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: So you see kwatine thirty, Cincinnati's sports station. 458 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: Welcome back to since E three sixty. I'm Austin Elmore. 459 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 2: Back to your phone calls in just a moment, five 460 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 2: on three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. What else is 461 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: going on in the world of sports? What are some 462 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 2: other headlines? Well, last night Didgers beat the Brewers five 463 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 2: to one in Game two of the NLCS and the 464 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 2: Dodgers lead that series two games to nothing over the 465 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 2: Milwaukee Brewers. It was announced last night Bearcatz big man 466 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 2: Jalen Hayes big six foot eight fella, two hundred and 467 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: fifty pounds. He's out indefinitely with a lower body injury. 468 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: He's a graduate student. Previously played at George Mason, East 469 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: Tennessee State Virginia Tech. He was a big part of 470 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 2: the Bearcats plans. He is out indefinitely. The AP Top 471 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 2: twenty five College Basketball Poll preseason poll came out yesterday. 472 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 2: Number one, Perdue, number two, Houston three, Florida for yukon five, 473 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 2: Saint John's six, Duke seven, Michigan eight, BYU nine Kentucky 474 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 2: and ten. Texas Tech is the top ten and what 475 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: else is going on in the NFL. Chiefs wide receiver 476 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 2: Rashi Rice has been reinstated from his sixth game suspension. 477 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 2: The United States men's national soccer team last night beat 478 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 2: Australia two to one in an international friendly. That's all. 479 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: Haji Wright score twice, but Christian Polisic left the game 480 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,479 Speaker 2: with a hamstring injury. Not good news there. And how 481 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: about the Reds. The Old Red Legs have two players 482 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 2: as finalists for the National League Gold Glove Award, one 483 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: at first base Spencer Steer and the other at third base, 484 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: Key Brian Hayes. I would imagine Key Brian Hayes is 485 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 2: the favorite to win at third base. I believe Matt 486 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: Olsen is the favorite to win at first base. Phone 487 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 2: lines open five P one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. 488 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: Let's go to Boston and talk to John. What's up, John, 489 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Austin. 490 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 6: How are you. 491 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: I'm doing all right, man? What's on your mind? 492 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 6: Okay? 493 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 2: Just a few things. 494 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 5: First of all, instead of worrying about the color of 495 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 5: the field and how good it's gonna look tomorrow and 496 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 5: I maybe ownership should just invest in a better turf, 497 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 5: real grass, so that their franchise quarterback doesn't end up 498 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 5: with a hyper extended toe Grade three toast train, maybe 499 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 5: gets a Grade one toastrain instead. 500 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: He's back already. 501 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 5: I mean, that's I've wailed against so many of the 502 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 5: franchises that they invest in franchise quarterbacks and then they 503 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 5: put them on field that are really not safe. That 504 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 5: goes back to what you're talking about Green Bay. It's 505 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 5: all about football with the Packers. That field is pristine. 506 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 5: You don't see many injuries on it because it's franchises 507 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 5: doesn't have an owner that's not pitching pennies on the field. 508 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 2: Well I would, I will push back on this a 509 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 2: little bit and say that you know, most of these 510 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: stadiums are no longer just meant for football. They're mixed 511 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: use facilities, and that means that artificial turf is kind 512 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 2: of the only option. I wish the NFL would crack 513 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 2: down on it more. I know the NFLPA has has 514 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 2: gone after it, and maybe at some point it becomes 515 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,239 Speaker 2: a point of contention. But yeah, I mean, there are 516 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 2: a lot of stadiums in the NFL. I think half 517 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: of them are artificial playing surfaces. A lot of them 518 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: are new stadiums. I wish that there was a mandate 519 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: that you have to have natural grass ready to play 520 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 2: on if you're going to build a new stadium, but 521 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: I guess it's I don't know if that's possible. 522 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 5: Right And here at Fenway Park, actually they have a 523 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 5: ton of concerts and they play on real grass. 524 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 2: It kind of. 525 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 5: Beats it up a little bit, But you know, I 526 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 5: think it could be done, obviously, if you're gonna put 527 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 5: some money into it. But I'm pretty confident about tomorrow night, 528 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 5: Austin short week, you're at home, saw some improvement last week. 529 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 5: You've got a veteran team coming in on a short week. 530 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 5: If they're not all in on this game in terms 531 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 5: of emotion and passion, I don't know what to tell you. 532 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 5: Some I think they're gonna win twenty to seventeen, low 533 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 5: scoring game hashtag Grandpa Bowl with Blacko and Aaron Rodgers together, right, 534 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 5: I mean, that's going to be awesome to see those 535 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 5: tool guys going out. 536 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 2: I heard yesterday Aaron Rodgers was talking to the media 537 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 2: and Cam Hayward walked by and called it the Icy 538 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 2: Hot Bowl. 539 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, they're gonna need that mini bye week after 540 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 5: the game for sure. The other thing too, is I 541 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 5: know you touched on it yesterday with Brian Callahan getting 542 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 5: fired by the Titans and then his dad Bill resigning, 543 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 5: any talk of bringing those guys in his consultants. 544 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 2: I know it's a short week that would be. 545 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 5: Difficult, but bringing those two guys in to try to 546 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 5: help fix the offensive line and the offense. 547 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 2: In general, yeah, I mean, I think it would be 548 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: ideal after Thursday, when you have the many buy to 549 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 2: consider doing that. I don't know that Brian's going to 550 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: help you that much, as you know, maybe just as 551 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 2: an assistant to Zach to maybe take some of that 552 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: stuff off of his plate perhaps. But I think the 553 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 2: other thing, you know, with Bill Callahan, I think you 554 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: should absolutely be calling him. That would be a move 555 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 2: that shows you are in aggressive pursuit of a championship. 556 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 2: Because Bill Callahan, as you know, was aligned with Scott 557 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: Peters when they were in Cleveland together, and he was 558 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 2: widely regarded as the best offensive line coach in the NFL. 559 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense. I think the Bengals 560 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: should consider it. It would make them a better football 561 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: team immediately, And anytime you do that, I think I'm 562 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: going to sign up for that, So Brian Callahan, I 563 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 2: don't care either way, but Bill Callahan, yes, they should 564 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 2: go after him. 565 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, it wouldn't cost you much money because his offset 566 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 5: language in those contracts, so even if you bring him 567 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 5: in for the rest of the season and go from there, 568 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 5: it's not going to be all that costly. Finally, Austin, 569 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 5: before I check out, I just want to give a 570 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 5: big shout out to our man Mike and Los Angeles, 571 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 5: first of all for his service to our country, and 572 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 5: also I appreciate that somewhat older than I listen, so 573 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 5: that's good because I know people made the reference of 574 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 5: Joe Burrow with Andrew Luck, but I don't ever get 575 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 5: the sense Andrew Luck ever loved football as bunch as 576 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 5: Joe Burrow does, because he just keeps coming back from 577 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 5: these catastrophic injuries. The con for Joe Burrow, and I 578 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 5: think Mike from LA might be the only person that 579 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 5: gets this because this guy played fifty years ago was 580 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 5: Burt Jones, who played for the Baltimore Colts, and I 581 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 5: encourage everyone to go on YouTube and watch him because 582 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 5: he was fifty years ahead of his time. He looked 583 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 5: at a modern quarterback in the seventies, constantly getting injured 584 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 5: because he was so dying competitive. He would throw an 585 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 5: interception and would run down try to make the tackle 586 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 5: and then would lead to like a separated shoulder. And 587 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 5: Joe's a very competitive guy as well. So just again 588 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 5: a shout out to Mike again for his great service 589 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 5: to our country. 590 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it, John, thank you for the phone call. 591 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 7: Yeah. 592 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think that it's it's fair to 593 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 2: compare Andrew Luck and Joe Burrow the people. I think 594 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 2: there are two very different individuals, very different points in 595 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 2: their life. Could not be more different as far as 596 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: I'm concerned. You can, however, compare the situations that they're in, 597 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 2: you know, with I think there was a lot of 598 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 2: people at times when Luck got to Indianapolis that said, 599 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 2: Chuck Pagano was in over his head and obviously he 600 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: had a bunch of stuff going on off the field, 601 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 2: and then you get to uh, Bruce Arians and he 602 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 2: probably should have been along, you know, been you know, 603 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 2: uh what's the word I'm looking for, given a better chance, 604 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 2: or held on too long. I don't remember exactly how 605 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 2: things played out in Indianapolis, but they had a guy 606 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 2: in Chris Ballard, their GM, who's completely clueless. He's not 607 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 2: good at his job, He's terrible. I don't trust him 608 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 2: at all. Same thing can be applied to Duke Tobin. 609 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 2: Does anybody here think Duke Tobin is good at what 610 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 2: he does? No? Does anybody here believe that Duke Tobin 611 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 2: can turn the franchise around. No. Now, I give Duke 612 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 2: for credit for trying. He has invested heavily in that 613 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 2: offensive line, draft picks and financially, but it hasn't worked. 614 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 2: And then you look at the other string of draft 615 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 2: picks that have failed miserably. You have no other place 616 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 2: to turn to but to blame Duke Tobin. And so 617 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 2: the ineptitude of the Colts cost Andrew Luck ultimately his career. 618 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 2: The ineptitude of the Bengals has cost them three half 619 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 2: seasons or whatever it is with Joe Burrow without him 620 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 2: like that should be unacceptable. You should be searching the 621 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 2: ends of the earth to figure out how do we 622 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,360 Speaker 2: prevent this from happening again, which would be calling a 623 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 2: guy like Bill Callahan. Now, by the way, Kevin Stefanski 624 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 2: was asked about Bill Callahan, the Browns head coach basically said, 625 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,479 Speaker 2: you know, hate that ever happened in Tennessee and feel 626 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 2: bad for him, and you know love those guys talk 627 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 2: to Brian, but I haven't talked to Bill. So they're 628 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,439 Speaker 2: asking the same questions in Cleveland because their offensive line 629 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 2: needs help, and Bill Callahan obviously is a former offensive 630 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 2: line coach with the Browns. But that would be an 631 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 2: aggressive move to try to make your team better immediately, 632 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 2: especially when it comes to developing young linemen like Dylan Fairchild, 633 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 2: like Amarius Mimes, like Jalen Rivers. It would be a 634 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 2: huge even seth McLaughlin and Matt Lee. If you want 635 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 2: to go further on down the depth chart, you have 636 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 2: to consider those things. Don't know that the Bengals would 637 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 2: do it because they just don't do that kind of thing, 638 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 2: which is a major problem. You can do an entire 639 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 2: show about they just don't do it that way. Well, 640 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 2: there's a problem with that. You need to be an 641 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 2: aggressive pursuit of a championship at all times. That's that's 642 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 2: the whole point of the job. And so to circle 643 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 2: back to the injury luck thing, they're not even close. Individuals, 644 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 2: different points of life, different values, different upbringings, Burrow and 645 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 2: Luck are not even close to the same person, but 646 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,959 Speaker 2: they did suffer from similar situations organizationally when it came 647 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,959 Speaker 2: to the inaptitude around them and the inability to build 648 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 2: around them to protect them. And that's a major issue. 649 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 2: We'll take a break, we'll come back. Phone line still 650 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 2: open at five point three seven four nine, fifteen thirty, 651 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 2: Hour one of Sincy three sixty brought to you by 652 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 2: Skyline Chili. Might need to get some of that chicken chili. 653 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,839 Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Hey Alexa, what's going on 654 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 2: in the NFL? 655 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 7: Getting ESPN is fifteen thirty. iHeartRadio, Welcome back. 656 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 2: Since he three sixty Hour one rolling right along, almost done, 657 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 2: already getting into hour two. You'll hear from Joe Flacco 658 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 2: and Jamar Chase what they had to say yesterday the 659 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 2: Bengals lethal combination Joe and Jamar just like we all 660 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 2: expected tomorrow night at pay Corp Stadium. Let's go back 661 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 2: to the phones. Five one three seven four nine, fifteen thirty. 662 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 2: Let's talk to Chris in Alexandria. What's up, Chris? 663 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 6: Hey, Audi, thanks for taking my call, man. 664 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 2: Thanks for giving me a ring. What's on your mind? 665 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 6: Hey, I'm out here in a field finishing my mowing 666 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 6: down in a Verona, Kentucky. So if it's a little windy, 667 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 6: I keep thinking the grass is gonna be done growing 668 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 6: for the year, but it just keeps coming up. 669 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 670 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 6: Hey, I got a little, quick, little comparison I was 671 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 6: thinking about today that really I don't know, maybe you'll 672 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 6: think it's cheezy, but you know, the last couple of 673 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 6: weeks in the show been a little rocky, just like 674 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 6: the Bengals season, And it felt like last week things 675 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 6: really kind of came derailed and changed as we've known 676 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 6: them for the last few years. And you know, we 677 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 6: feel it. And I want to give credit to Chad Brendle. 678 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 6: He came in like a Joe Flacco in the worst 679 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 6: possible time. The wheels are coming off, the team is bad, 680 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 6: Tony's gone, Jim Kelly passes away. He gets the ship going, 681 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 6: keeps us moving forward, and here we are finding our 682 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 6: way and things start to feel a little calmer, Things 683 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 6: start to feel a little bit okay, And you know that's. 684 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 2: Kind of how the Bengal season is right now. 685 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 6: It's like okay. Well, for the first time in the 686 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 6: last several weeks. We're going into a game tomorrow night, 687 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 6: and I'm like, well, we got a guy that can 688 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 6: give us a chance. We have the advantage, right, It's 689 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 6: a short week, dealers have to travel, we've got the 690 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 6: white out game. There are some outside factors that give 691 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 6: us a little bit of an advantage. There's one thing 692 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 6: I want to talk about that I think some people 693 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 6: and you were talking about the draft picks earlier. These 694 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 6: are the guys that Golden wanted, right like, these are 695 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 6: the guys that he didn't hand pick them. But these 696 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 6: are guys that we signed based on we got this 697 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 6: coach that can coach young guys, and we need to 698 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 6: get the young guys in there. And if you look 699 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 6: at this draft, good, better and different. Based on the 700 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 6: other guys that we have, man if Rivers and fair 701 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 6: Child really do pan out. 702 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 2: That's huge. 703 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,720 Speaker 6: You draft two guards in this draft that can start 704 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 6: for you and play at a high level. And if 705 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 6: Barrett can do anything. I hate I hate Logan Wilson 706 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 6: being bench. He's one of my favorite Bengals. But if 707 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 6: they're really making this move, and as you said, it 708 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 6: turns out to not be a complete desperation move, it 709 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 6: actually looks like there is a plan and Barrett's playing 710 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 6: good and night comes around and all of a sudden, 711 00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 6: Shamar Stewart comes in. It's like, well, we really kind 712 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 6: of had a great draft if you look at it 713 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 6: that way. 714 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I without a doubt. I do think 715 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 2: that's that's putting a lot on the word if and 716 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 2: a lot on hope. And I understand that, but that's 717 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 2: that's that's you have to do that with every single 718 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 2: draft pick. So I hear what you're saying that. 719 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 6: I'm a Bengals fan that's sitting on a two and 720 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 6: four record with Joe Flacco as my quarterback. 721 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,799 Speaker 2: I gotta go with a lot of fear. That is 722 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 2: exactly right. Chris, Hey, Audie, keep up the good work. 723 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking my call. Yeah, thank you, thanks for 724 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 2: calling in. That is uh Chris and Alexander. Yeah, man, 725 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 2: it's yes, like there is there's a path. There's a 726 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 2: way to believe it. Like, yes, I get where you're 727 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 2: coming from, and I do think he's right. Like whether 728 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 2: it's one of those three paths that I outlined in 729 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 2: the first hour, it does feel like either way there's 730 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 2: some sort of a plan, and it's like Okay, these 731 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 2: are al goldens, guys, And I've talked of it in 732 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,399 Speaker 2: the past and and part of the reason why I'm 733 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 2: at the present moment out on Zach Taylor is because 734 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, the coaches have a unique impact on the drafting, 735 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 2: on the scouting, on the developing. Now you can say 736 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,879 Speaker 2: that this in and of itself is flawed, right, There 737 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 2: are other teams with bigger scouting departments, with more analytics, 738 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 2: with other tools at their disposal that they have invested 739 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:28,120 Speaker 2: in that help them to draft and develop and maintain 740 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 2: a level of consistency in what they do, and that 741 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 2: helps them. And I think that's a fair point. And 742 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 2: maybe you look at the Bengals style of things, which 743 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 2: is that the assistant coaches of which there are many, 744 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,839 Speaker 2: have an extensive amount of knowledge and usefulness when it 745 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 2: comes to scouting these players and working with these players 746 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 2: and studying these players prior to drafting them. They basically 747 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 2: use the coaches as scouts. I can see why that 748 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 2: would make sense. I can see why it could be 749 00:42:54,239 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 2: an issue. It also, I think is the big reason 750 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 2: why there was a disconnect with lou Ana Rumo and 751 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 2: with the front office staff, because there are scouts, and 752 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 2: there are player personnel people, and they have a philosophy 753 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 2: in a belief and those young players that they had 754 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 2: invested in weren't playing as much, weren't having an impact, 755 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,200 Speaker 2: and you kind of need to know what they're going 756 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 2: to be before you shift to the next face. And 757 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,959 Speaker 2: that's kind of what this season feels like, at least 758 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 2: defensively when it comes to these young young guys playing. 759 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,280 Speaker 2: And you know, I get where a lot of people 760 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 2: come from in the sense of the Bengals need a 761 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,320 Speaker 2: bigger scouting staff and Duke Tobin needs to go and 762 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 2: all of that. I do think the situation is unique 763 00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 2: the way that they use their coaches as scouts. I 764 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 2: can see where it's an issue. I can see wherein 765 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 2: it's advantage, where it's an advantage. But all I can 766 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 2: do is look at what have you done for me lately? 767 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,360 Speaker 2: And so far the last few years, it's been a 768 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,799 Speaker 2: lot of misses, not a lot of hits. Hopefully by 769 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 2: the end of this year, and again there's that word hope. 770 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,319 Speaker 2: By the end of this year, you look around and say, Okay, 771 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 2: Dylan Fairchild, hit okay, DJ Turner, took you a minute, 772 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 2: hit okay, Barrett Carter hit Okay, Shamar Stewart hit I 773 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 2: think we all want that. It just feels like we're 774 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 2: a long way away from that. More Bengals conversation, more 775 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 2: phone calls. 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