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Speaker 1: Bill cunning in the Great American Welcome to tea after

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Speaker 1: him in the Tri State Reds Baseball kicks off about

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Speaker 1: five forty tonight with the Pirates in town one last night,

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Speaker 1: two zip exciting game. But this morning, at ten o'clock

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Speaker 1: in the Hamlety County Municipal Court, a state preceding occurred

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Speaker 1: in which the City of Cincinnati and the matter of

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Speaker 1: City versus Alex Shavinsky, decided to dismiss all charges. Joining

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Speaker 1: you and I now as the attorney for the victim

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Speaker 1: who was the defendant in this case, Doug Shravinsky is.

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Speaker 1: Doug Brannon of Dayton, Ohio, is on his way back

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Speaker 1: home up the Hochi men trail from this morning and

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Speaker 1: Doug Brandon, welcome again of the Bill Cunningham Show. So

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Speaker 1: can you first tell the American people what happened this

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Speaker 1: morning in Hamony County Municipal Court with your.

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Speaker 2: Client, you know, Bill.

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Speaker 3: The state claimed that they did not have witnesses to

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Speaker 3: proceed today.

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Speaker 4: However, there were two detectives.

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Speaker 3: There and the chief police for Cincinnati, Chief INNI was

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Speaker 3: president in the courtroom as.

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Speaker 2: Well, all of which could have testified.

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Speaker 3: I think the right thing happened they finally decided to

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Speaker 3: dismiss these charges, or the judge did when the prosecutor

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Speaker 3: said that they.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't move forward.

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Speaker 1: At that point, it was that dismissed with or without prejudice, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, because the judge it was technically the judge that

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Speaker 3: I believe it's going to be a dismissal without prejudice.

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Speaker 2: But we've not seen the.

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Speaker 1: Jury from the court yet, so that's critical to you

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Speaker 1: because you know what this brought up again, So it's

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Speaker 1: up to the judge that actually signed the order, and

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Speaker 1: you're uncertain at this point if it's with or without.

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Speaker 1: But if it's not with prejudice, you're going to screen

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Speaker 1: bloody murder.

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Speaker 3: If they try and bring these charges again, Bill, they're

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Speaker 3: going to have the same problem with the case that

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Speaker 3: they had to begin with, which is there are no

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Speaker 3: facts to support the criminal charges against Alex when he

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Speaker 3: was acting in self defense the entire time.

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Speaker 2: On July twenty sixth.

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Speaker 1: On July twenty sixth, Kip Guyin, an assistant county prosecutor

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Speaker 1: working with Counye Pillage, said more or less a few

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Speaker 1: weeks later that he is reviewed all the videotapes and

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Speaker 1: then Alex Shravinsky was not the instigator. In fact, he

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Speaker 1: criminal defendants, since that information was in the record in

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Speaker 1: your discussions with the city prosecutor's office, did they tell

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Speaker 3: At no time did the city prosecutor ever try and

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Speaker 3: or really who was really instrumental in the charges being brought. However,

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Speaker 2: All of the victims in this.

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Speaker 3: Case are looking forward to seeing the real criminals in

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Speaker 4: With that prosecution, and we expect him to be convicted.

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Speaker 2: Of these assault and theft charges.

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Speaker 1: And so essentially, your client, Alex Savinski, is going to

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Speaker 1: including a character named Jermaine Matthews, who the city was

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Speaker 1: claiming out of new Now this go back in time

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Speaker 1: which city officials, that is, the vice mayor lemon Kearney

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Speaker 1: As an attorney in civil rights, what does that arise

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Speaker 3: Everybody knows that that's wrong. You don't need to be

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Speaker 2: The evidence in every case.

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Speaker 3: And in this case, they ignored the clear evidence in

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Speaker 3: And Jermaine Matthews, if they tried to identify as the

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Speaker 2: I would have loved the question on the witness stand.

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Speaker 3: They didn't bring him in, They didn't bring in any

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Speaker 2: A good news bit for them.

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Speaker 3: But the real evidence shows that no crime was committed

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Speaker 3: He's proceeding for with that prosecution, and you know, I've

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Speaker 1: Doug Brannon, the attorney for Alex Stravinsky, I had on

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Speaker 1: He represents the FOP, and he said that the two

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Speaker 1: those two detectives in the city said charges should not

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Speaker 3: You know, bell I have personally spoken with both of

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Speaker 2: They went, pulled security videos.

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Speaker 4: Other victims that day. So, you know, these are.

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Speaker 2: The prosecutor about it. In this case, we believe.

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Speaker 4: That the system was manipulated by the city administration to

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Speaker 2: Charges against Alex for what reason.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we've already touched on this. It was

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Speaker 2: Were at fault for this incident, when after.

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Speaker 4: A review of the clear video evidence, it was.

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Speaker 3: A racially motivated beat down of Alex and his friends

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Speaker 1: As far as July twenty sixth, there was a clear

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Speaker 5: Was it now, Adam Henny?

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Speaker 5: The acting chief who was that point?

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Speaker 1: Was simply a captain who actually said, I'm overruling the

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Speaker 3: Well and that that was going to be a great

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Speaker 2: Been able to take the witness stand.

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously he was there to pointed by the

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Speaker 2: Would be asked.

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Speaker 3: And who that was that threatened the detectives or gave

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Speaker 2: The criminal prosecutions and or.

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Speaker 4: Subsequent civil action, you know, those are going to be

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Speaker 2: How is your client we seem to end to this

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Speaker 1: Oh no, how's your client physically feeling? Head on Holly

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Speaker 3: You know, I can say physically he's doing better, you know,

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Speaker 3: It's certainly had an impact on him his life and

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Speaker 2: Of that nature. And then when you see something else.

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Speaker 3: In portion unfold, like what happened on opening day at

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Speaker 4: You know, it's these things Cincinnati has to.

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Speaker 2: Get under control.

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Speaker 4: It is not a safe place for people to bring their.

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Speaker 3: And by prosecuting people like Alex who just look to

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Speaker 4: And stick up from themselves, nobody wants.

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Speaker 2: Doing and making these choices.

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Speaker 1: Well, there was some testimony that Alex or some of

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Speaker 1: the others heard comments such as, you don't belong here,

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Speaker 1: an implicit reference to their race during the Jazz Festival,

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Speaker 1: the Music Festival July twenty sixth you don't belong here.

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Speaker 1: On Fourth and Elm. You don't belong here. I would

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Speaker 1: One other troubling aspect to talk about a social issue.

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Speaker 1: Chief Thiji would not file criminal charges. Her name is

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Speaker 1: not on this thing. It is Adam Henny and a

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Speaker 1: little bit of conspiratorial thinking. The Chief Thigi is gone.

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Speaker 1: She's going to be paid millions of dollars at some

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Speaker 1: point for a wrongful discharge. But the guy who actually

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Speaker 5: He filed the charge. Well, are those two events really well?

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Speaker 3: You know, I think that the removal of the prior

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Speaker 3: Well, I think anytime somebody manipulates the criminal justice system

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Speaker 4: Especially based upon race, that can certainly lead to a

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Speaker 4: So I think that that's something that really should be

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Speaker 1: You know, the last time any Republicans controlled city council

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Speaker 3: On that, you know, it's not going to stand. Nobody

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Speaker 4: Looking at this case. But we really want to see these.

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Speaker 3: Chriminal prosecutions proceed forward and hold the true criminals accountable

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Speaker 2: Where this is occurring.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty three has a criminal and also several aspects.

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Speaker 2: You know, a.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty three lawsuit on behalf of Alex seeks to

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Speaker 3: And that's what a nineteen eighty three action is and

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Speaker 1: So the state action also includes city council correct. State

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Speaker 3: Liability can fall on any governmental employee, whether it be

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Speaker 1: One are the element of damages that your client, Doug

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Speaker 2: Well, he said, to.

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Speaker 3: Undergo this, this unduly prosecution, he's you know, he had

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Speaker 3: Costs, not to mention his time and what he's been

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Speaker 2: For some alleged criminal act that he never committed.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and also his physical damages of one type or

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Speaker 1: another perpetrated by these criminal defendants. And maybe that's an

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Speaker 1: would find words like social justice and reparations. That too

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Speaker 3: I think it's time we hold them accountable, Bill for

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Speaker 2: And welcome to federal court.

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Speaker 1: All right, Doug Brandon, thank you very much, And i'd

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Speaker 1: the city prosecutor's office, take an illegal order and act

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Speaker 1: prosecutor's job is not to convict anyone. Prosecutor's job is

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Speaker 1: the opposite. And Doug Brannon, thanks for coming on. I

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you'll arrive safely away we'll go. We'll talk later.

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Speaker 1: Doug Brannon, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Doug.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Bill, you have a good one.

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Speaker 5: God bless you. Let's continue with more.

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Speaker 1: That's where we are, and we live now in a

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Speaker 1: Are you concerned about this, Bill Cunningham, News Radio seven hundred,

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Speaker 1: ought you know the ridiculous aspects of the city Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: as if you're interested. But in July of last year,

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Speaker 1: And in reality, Alex was punched and kicked and stomped

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Speaker 5: He was the victim.

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Speaker 1: So these so called religious leaders used their faith as

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Speaker 5: We're not saying that. We're saying that if you had not.

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Speaker 1: So maybe are we going to hear apologies now from

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Speaker 1: Damon Lynch. He's going to go to the microphone and

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Speaker 1: are not cut, that means across the board ten percent cuts.

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Speaker 1: They give eight point two million dollars to criminals who

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Speaker 1: rioted after the George Floyd riots. They give eight million

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Speaker 1: dollars to the symphony to play Bach and Riverbend. Eight

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Speaker 1: million dollars. I've talked about giving Ryan Hinton's estate. The

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Speaker 1: young man who pulled a gun on a cop and

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Speaker 1: got shot for his difficulties, pay him one or two

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Speaker 1: million dollars. You might also budget a few million dollars

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Speaker 1: more for chief of fire chief of Washington who was

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Speaker 1: wrongfully discharged, and also former police chief THEESA Fiji wrongfully discharged.

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Speaker 1: And money for Alex Stravinski. You just heard his attorney,

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Speaker 1: bred Doug Brannon talk about the multi million dollar allsuit

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Speaker 1: coming against the City of Cincinnati when it's leaders demanded

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Speaker 1: that a person be charged by its office Proscar's office

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Speaker 1: because of the color.

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Speaker 5: Of one's skin. A little educational tutorial.

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Speaker 1: In Ohio, the county Prosecutor's office handles the felonies. They

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Speaker 1: also handle misdemeanors like the townships. Like the city of

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Speaker 1: Blue Ash doesn't have its own police department or jail,

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Speaker 1: so if it's a county case, it's either a felony

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Speaker 1: or it's in a township or city that doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a criminal element to house people like in Blue Ash.

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Speaker 5: So the city of Cincinnati has its.

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Speaker 1: Own prosecutor's office, and they decide whether to criminally prosecute

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Speaker 1: somebody for misdemeanors, not felonies, misdemeanors committed in the city

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Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. So when you're a city leader and you

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Speaker 1: have your own prosecutor's office, you can demand require as

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Speaker 1: a cognition of their employment that you charge somebody with

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Speaker 1: a crime. If you do that, which happened in this

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Speaker 1: case with lemon Kearney and Scottie Johnson, damn well better

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Speaker 1: be accurate. When you require your city solicitor slash prosecutor

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Speaker 1: to file criminal charges in the name of the city

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati against Alex Shravinsky, you better damn be right, because

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Speaker 1: you're putting yourself on the line. More actly, you're putting

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Speaker 1: the taxpayers of Cincinnati on the line, because you're gonna

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Speaker 1: pay all these mistakes and negligent behaviors of city council,

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Speaker 1: the mayor, and the city manager.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna pay.

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Speaker 1: And so when you're in a deficit, the last thing

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Speaker 1: to do is to incur more expenses. Why give eight

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Speaker 1: million dollars to the symphony. For God's sakes, The Farmer

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Speaker 1: family are worth billions of dollars. Their name is on it.

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Speaker 1: Let the Farmer family pay the eight million to them.

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Speaker 1: That's a rounding error. But to the taxpayer, that's like

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Speaker 1: a lot of money. It means police and fire services,

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Speaker 1: garbage pickup, roads and bridges, et cetera. And all the

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Speaker 1: city had to do was say, you know what, the

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Speaker 1: matter is going to be investigated. Those criminally responsible will

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Speaker 1: be charged, and those that are innocent will be set free. No,

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Speaker 1: because she was stampeded into making a horrible decision, giving

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Speaker 1: herself possible criminal liability. Vice Mayor Lemon Carning went out

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Speaker 1: there at a news conference along with Scotti Johnson, cloaked

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Speaker 1: with a power of prosecution and demanded that a person

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Speaker 1: to be criminally charged because of the color of their

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Speaker 1: skin because not enough white people have been charged. How

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Speaker 1: stupid can you be? Well, pretty stupid, pretty stupid. So

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Speaker 1: now there's a multi million dollar lawsuit that's going to

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Speaker 1: be filed on baff Alex Shravinsky against the City of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: That is a taxpayer you're going to pay for under

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Speaker 1: forty two USC. Nineteen eighty three. It is illegal for

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Speaker 1: government officials, acting under color of law to engage in

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Speaker 1: civil rights violations against any American. That's exactly what the

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Speaker 1: Vice mayor did. Another ancillary issue is that when you're

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Speaker 1: a lawyer a prosecutor in the city's prosecutor's office, you

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Speaker 1: have to firmly believe in the truthfulness of a charge

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Speaker 1: to file it. You may be ordered to do so

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Speaker 1: by your so called superiors, but it's up to you

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Speaker 1: as a prosecutor, not to get a conviction, but to

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Speaker 1: do justice. So I would not be surprised if Disciplinary

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Speaker 1: Council and Columbis will take a look at the activities

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Speaker 1: of the city solicitor and the city prosecutor's office who

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Speaker 1: pursued criminal charges against an innocent person for political and

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Speaker 1: racial reasons. You can think about it if you're a Democrat,

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Speaker 1: but damn it, you can't do it. So when I

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Speaker 1: had on the other day dominate jer Race, who's been

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Speaker 1: there about a year now, the US Attorney, and I

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Speaker 1: asked him the question, is it a concern of yours

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Speaker 1: as a federal prosecutor when city officials under cloak and

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Speaker 1: authority of city government orders a subordinate officer to file

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Speaker 1: criminal charges against an innocent person. Any sidestepped the question

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Speaker 1: is I thought he would. He didn't answer the question

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Speaker 1: yay or nay. But civilly, it is as bad as

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Speaker 1: it gets when lemon Kearney, Scottie Johnson, the mayor, and

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Speaker 1: others demand that their employees file charges against an innocent

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Speaker 1: person based upon race. You can think about it, but

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Speaker 1: you can't do it. And from their perspective, they just

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Speaker 1: committed possibly a federal criminal violation that makes them personally

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Speaker 1: federally criminal liability and civil liability that you're going to

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Speaker 1: pay as a taxpayer directly or indirectly. We can't have

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Speaker 1: this in the city. Just when you think they can't

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Speaker 1: do anything more stupid, they do something like this to

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Speaker 1: totally redeem themselves. So having paid out, they're close to

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Speaker 1: thirty million dollars and wrongful payouts between. You take the

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Speaker 1: eight point two million to the criminals who rioted on

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Speaker 1: the George Floyd riots, add the eight million dollars to

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Speaker 1: the Symphony, and the money's coming to Chief Washington, Chief

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Speaker 1: Fiji Alex Schravinsky. That's at least another ten to fifteen

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Speaker 1: million dollars. Well, hell right, there's thirty mili plus you

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Speaker 1: have Holly. Her civil charges are coming also. The hitch

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Speaker 1: just keep on coming. And I would like to think

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Speaker 1: at some point that they would say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: we have to stop doing it.

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Speaker 5: What we're doing. We hate this. It's awful.

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Speaker 1: And another aspect of this case is that the two

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Speaker 1: detectives who actually investigated the case told the city, do

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Speaker 1: not file criminal charges. We don't have a case. So

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Speaker 1: the city police investigators spent months on it, said to

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Speaker 1: the chief, said to the city prosecutor, said to the mayor,

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Speaker 1: we don't have a case here, don't do it. You

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Speaker 1: can think about it, but don't do it. The city

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Speaker 1: police told that to the city political leadership, and the

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Speaker 1: political leaders overruled the police department and so, oh, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we're going to file charges against an innocent person because

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Speaker 1: he's white.

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Speaker 5: Eh.

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Speaker 1: And those detectives and the acting chief, Adam Henny were

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Speaker 1: there this morning ready to testify, and they were going

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Speaker 1: to testify.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 1: I'm charges should not have been filed. It's a wrongful prosecution.

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Speaker 1: We don't have probable costs. But the political leaders of

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Speaker 1: the city said, oh yes, we do. Oh yes, we

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Speaker 1: got this so called faith leaders telling us using Christianity

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Speaker 1: as an excuse to commit acts of racism, which is

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Speaker 1: what happened with Jonathan Bradner and Damon Lynch on city

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Speaker 1: council making a complete full of themselves when they went

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Speaker 1: to Fountain Square, made a complete full of themselves. And

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Speaker 1: now the city's going to be left holding the bag,

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Speaker 1: and you're going to pay and pay and pay some more.

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Speaker 1: The city investigators, the police said there is no problem

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Speaker 1: cause political leadership said, oh yes there are because this

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Speaker 1: guy's white and he's quote a Russian of Russian, which

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Speaker 1: he isn't. How stupid can you be? Let's continue. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna put a call into Mayor Ron Washington, the mayor

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Speaker 1: of Covington, to see how Covington handles these things and

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Speaker 1: what's happening in Covington. Let's continue with the more. Bill Cunningham,

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Speaker 1: the Great American speaking truth and justice in the American

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Speaker 1: Way on news Radio seven hundred w Bill Cunningham the

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Speaker 1: Great American. The other day, I found myself in Covington,

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Speaker 1: where I was born, and my family had deep roots

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Speaker 1: and Erlanger and Ellesmere. In fact, my grandfather John Patrick

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Speaker 1: Graham was the mayor of Ellesmere for a while. But

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Speaker 1: that's going back in time a bit. And I was

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Speaker 1: shocked when I walked up and down Madison Avenue in Covington.

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Speaker 1: What I'm seeing is large numbers of bars and restaurants, vitality.

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Speaker 1: Things are proceeding nicely. I look at the irs of

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Speaker 1: Recovery Center there on the riverfront of Cincinnati and looks

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Speaker 1: like hundreds of housing units are going in Covington is

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Speaker 1: proceeding nicely. There's not a lot of fighting, not a

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Speaker 1: lot of squabbling going on, not a lot of lawsuits

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Speaker 1: are being filed against thither and fro. Not a lot

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Speaker 1: of violent teens running around like in Cincinnati or Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: or Milwaukee or Chicago almost every weekend. I'm looking right

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Speaker 1: now at CNN violentine takeover plagues to Los Angeles. It's

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Speaker 1: a regular event to have hundreds of miners gathering groups

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Speaker 1: and engaging in looting of stores, which happens in Chicago

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Speaker 1: and LA all the time. Cincinnati is close to that circumstance,

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Speaker 1: which is said, but this doesn't happen in my hometown

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Speaker 1: at Covington, Johining, you and I now is Ronald Washington,

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Speaker 1: the mayor of Covington. He spent many years in law

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Speaker 1: enforcement and I think twenty or twenty five years in

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Speaker 1: law enforcement. He also put together when he came out

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Speaker 1: of police work, and they fight against heroin and other

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Speaker 1: opiate addictions out one of the largest medical assistant treatment

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Speaker 1: centers in Kentucky. He got thousands of individuals out of

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Speaker 1: out of their drug addiction. And Mayor Washington, welcome again

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Speaker 1: to the Bill Cunningham Show. First of all, just in

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Speaker 1: a general way, can you describe to the American people

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Speaker 1: that going forward aspects of Covington that often we don't

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Speaker 1: find in Cincinnati, your other major American cities. Why is

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Speaker 1: it happening Covington and not elsewhere?

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Speaker 2: Thanks mister Cunningham, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 7: I think what makes Covington a nice place is that

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Speaker 7: we try to promote small businesses as much as possible.

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Speaker 7: We have a lot of small business programs that, hell,

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Speaker 7: we'll partner with you and pay help pay your rent

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Speaker 7: on a small business up to five hundred dollars for

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Speaker 7: the first year, because we know it's tough. If the

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Speaker 7: first year is tough for a small business. We also

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Speaker 7: do for thought improvement grants where you know, we'll help

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Speaker 7: you fix up the front of your business because that

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Speaker 7: helps our all, you know, the whole city.

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Speaker 2: But more importantly, what.

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Speaker 7: We do is that we provide a very safe environment.

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Speaker 7: You know, we're very prideful of our police department, our

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Speaker 7: fire services, our emergency services.

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Speaker 2: In general, and we try to provide a safe place.

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Speaker 1: And as far as police community relations in Cincinnati is

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Speaker 1: somewhat frayed, I'm sure you're aware of what happened here

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Speaker 1: on Red's opening day. There was media accounts that Covington

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Speaker 1: police were on one end of the suspension bridge saying

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Speaker 1: you're not coming in here. When that Can you describe

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Speaker 1: to the American people in Reds opening day the involvement

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Speaker 1: of Covington police with the bridges between Cincinnati and Covington.

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Speaker 7: Sure, I'll be glad to first, you know, the information

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Speaker 7: that the Covenant Police received was kind of sporadic, but

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Speaker 7: at the same time.

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Speaker 5: It was alarming.

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Speaker 7: The initial reports were that we got that there were

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Speaker 7: going to be five one hundred to six hundred people

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Speaker 7: crossing the suspension bridge and they may be bringing trouble

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Speaker 7: with them. So our police department enacted procedures to encounter

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Speaker 7: any problems, and you know, we had a great response

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Speaker 7: by our law enforcement officers. I personally went down there

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Speaker 7: to watch our operations to make sure that everything was

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Speaker 7: safe for our community.

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Speaker 2: Our police officers did fine. We did not have five

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Speaker 2: to six hundred people across the suspension.

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Speaker 7: Bridge, but we were set up in case there was trouble.

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Speaker 7: But you know, we were there to help and assist people.

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Speaker 7: But we pride ourselves on being a safe environment.

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Speaker 5: What were there any arrest on your side of the pond.

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Speaker 2: No arrest No arrests were No arrests were necessary. Everyone

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Speaker 2: behaved themselves when when they got on this side of

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Speaker 2: the Mason Dixon.

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Speaker 1: Is there a difficulty because in Cincinnati we have major

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Speaker 1: problems At five or six hundred KI National News, the

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Speaker 1: banks were shut down about eight o'clock at night, eight thirty.

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Speaker 1: I had on yesterday the proprietor of restaurants and bars there,

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Speaker 1: the Holy Grail, and Jim came on. He talked about

665
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Speaker 1: what was going on, what was happening, and Mooring said

666
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Speaker 1: it was sadness of what happened that individuals did not

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Speaker 1: comply with the law. And you've been in Covington you

668
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: went to high school there been involved in the community.

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Speaker 1: Can you recall in recent history any time where large

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Speaker 1: numbers of people took over a downtown part of Covington

671
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Speaker 1: and you were the previous mayors, Callerie whoever it might

672
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Speaker 1: have been, had to shut down Covington because of the

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Speaker 1: behavior of some of the residents.

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Speaker 7: No, that's never happened in my lifetime. You know, we

675
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Speaker 7: just this past weekend. You know, we had protests, but

676
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Speaker 7: we had lawful protests. We had no king protest here,

677
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Speaker 7: but they got the proper permits, they worked with our

678
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Speaker 7: police department. They stayed on the sidewalks. So so you know,

679
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Speaker 7: we do have people that want to protest their their

680
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Speaker 7: government here and there, and we, you know, we work,

681
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Speaker 7: we work alongside them to let them know what what

682
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Speaker 7: our expectations are and to deliver a service to them

683
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Speaker 7: so the community is safe.

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Speaker 1: Have you had any street takeovers or large numbers of

685
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Speaker 1: individuals and vehicles take over corners of Covington and roll

686
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Speaker 1: around the high rates of speed. Is any takeovers of

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Speaker 1: the streets happen in Covington?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: No, When I talk to you and Rob Sanders, I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking Covington, you respect law and order. If you want

691
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Speaker 1: to protest, have out it, do it legally. We're not

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Speaker 1: putting up with that crap on this side of the

693
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Speaker 1: river in front. Rob Sanders said to me once that

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Speaker 1: when they intercept the telephone calls between the inmates and

695
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Speaker 1: the and the Kent County jail calling to Cincinnati, they

696
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Speaker 1: often hear the term Covington doesn't play, Kentucky doesn't play.

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Speaker 1: In other words, you can do what you want to do,

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Speaker 1: but don't come here to do it. Do you want

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Speaker 1: to send the idea that law and order is going

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Speaker 1: to happen in Covington? Street takeovers are not going to occur.

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Speaker 1: Hundreds of kids are used wilding in the streets of

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Speaker 1: Madison Avenue. That's not going to happen. And that because

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Speaker 1: of the viewpoint of law enforcement, you're a little bit

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Speaker 1: different outlook on these activities than maybe the City of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 7: Well, I will say that, you know, public safety is

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Speaker 7: our primary role in government.

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Speaker 2: We take it. We do take it very serious. I

708
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Speaker 2: think that our.

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Speaker 7: Visitors know that, our residents know that. I think that's

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Speaker 7: why they decide to do business here. I think that's

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Speaker 7: why they decided to play here. That's why they decided

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Speaker 7: to live here is because they know it's a very

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Speaker 7: safe environment. When we pride ourselves on that, we know

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Speaker 7: here in Covington that safeties first. If you don't, you

715
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 7: don't have anything else. I mean, people need to be

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Speaker 7: comfortable in their own homes and their businesses, walking up

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Speaker 7: and down the street. That's why you see the vibrancy

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Speaker 7: of our city. That's why a food and wine magazine

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00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 7: called us the top destination for food and drink. HGTV

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Speaker 7: called us the top small town. A Charm Money magazine.

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Speaker 2: Two years ago best place to live.

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Speaker 7: In twenty twenty four out of the top fifty cities.

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Speaker 7: So we're very proud of our city and you know, hey,

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Speaker 7: we want to be a safe place and we practiced

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Speaker 7: that every day when I was there.

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Speaker 1: Saturday night, I went to Carmelos on the street corner.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I felt as warm as in my

728
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Speaker 1: mother's arms. Got some sort of cauliflower dish. Not sure

729
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Speaker 1: what it was, but it was excellent. I walked up

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Speaker 1: and down Madison and I walked five or six blocks people.

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Speaker 1: I'm not much of a bar hopper, as you may know,

732
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Speaker 1: but there were thousands of people walking around the sidewalk

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Speaker 1: having a good time. I didn't have a sense of

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Speaker 1: danger after the Reds game. I had on many guests

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Speaker 1: who said to me they felt quite a bit of

736
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Speaker 1: danger walking from the Great American Ballpark to the car

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Speaker 1: at Ninth Street. I had a certain Supreme Court justice

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Speaker 1: tell me they'll never do that again. I had Reds ballplayers,

739
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Reads baseball players who came out of the game,

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Speaker 1: like at seven thirty eight o'clock at night, who thought

741
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Speaker 1: there was some sort of mass shooting taking place and

742
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Speaker 1: that they Benson talked about other Reds ball players talked

743
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Speaker 1: about and saying, we want to get that all out

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Speaker 1: of here. The manager of the rest, Tutor Francona, who

745
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: has a place in Newport, said that there was danger everywhere.

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Speaker 1: It was a long trip back, and when you prioritize

747
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Speaker 1: law and order, that is not the circumstance. Talk about

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Speaker 1: what's happening at the IRS center right against the river,

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Speaker 1: because you've cleared out it looks to me like one

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Speaker 1: hundred and two hundred acres on the Ohio River. Describe

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Speaker 1: Mayor Washington, what's going on there?

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Speaker 7: Well, what we have there is, you know, that's the

753
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 7: former Internal Revenue site. There was the old tax processing site.

754
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 7: That's where when you used to fill out your tax

755
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 7: return and you did it by paper. You needed a

756
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 7: one story site that had convey or belts, et cetera.

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Speaker 7: The City of Covington is now the main developer on

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Speaker 7: that twenty three acre site. Thanks to City Cincinnati. We

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Speaker 7: provide a beautiful view. It's the Phase one. It is

760
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Speaker 7: complete all the infrastructures in Phase one. We have Dree's Homes.

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Speaker 7: There's building town homes there. We have the Funky Group

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Speaker 7: that's building single family homes. We have two a large

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Speaker 7: apartment buildings that are breaking ground soon that we'll be

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Speaker 7: standing around four and five stories that will have hundreds

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Speaker 7: of apartments. We're talking to a lot of developers. There's

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Speaker 7: also an RFP that's going out April to second not

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Speaker 7: April the first, encouraging people.

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Speaker 4: To, you know, if you would bid on property, to

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Speaker 4: come do business here.

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Speaker 5: In the Commonwealth.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievabed when these so called riots were happening in Red's

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Speaker 1: opening day, did you have any communication from Mayor after pureval?

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Speaker 1: Of course he was on vacation. He wasn't present or

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Speaker 1: by anybody in the City of Cincinnati to coordinate the

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Speaker 1: activities Covington and Cincinnati. When the disturvices happened after Red's

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Speaker 1: opening day, any communication at all.

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Speaker 7: To my understanding, there was a phone call from the

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Speaker 7: Cincinnati Police Department, two the Covenant Police Department warning that

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Speaker 7: there may be five to six hundred people coming across.

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Speaker 7: I did not personally receive any phone calls from any

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Speaker 7: elected people. And like I said before, you know, our

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Speaker 7: police department mobilized to meet the challenge, to see what

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Speaker 7: needed to be done, and we're thankful for our partners

784
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Speaker 7: in our neighboring cities that came down to assist us.

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Speaker 7: And you know, I went down there myself.

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Speaker 2: And very proud of the men and women.

787
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Speaker 7: Of our police department, just proud of our city. And

788
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Speaker 7: I think Covington does have a reputation of safety and

789
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Speaker 7: we want to maintain that.

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Speaker 1: Now Covington doesn't play. Cincinnati plays, but not Covington. Well,

791
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Speaker 1: once again, Mayor Washington, I want to check it down

792
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Speaker 1: and then with the leader of my hometown of Covington,

793
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Speaker 1: born in Saintes loved it. Families from irlang ornel is

794
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: mayor and my Familyi's from all Shaw Street love What's

795
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Speaker 1: happening there, and Covington is showing the example of what

796
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: Cincinnati could be, what Cincinnati should be, and what Cincinnati

797
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Speaker 1: is not, which is a safe place. And I think

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Speaker 1: the city is many many individuals and the suburbs do

799
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,959
Speaker 1: not want to go to downtown Cincinnati. But I would

800
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Speaker 1: encourage him to go to downtown Covington because you never

801
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: find a better restaurant. If you're in the bar scene,

802
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: that's right there. If you want a great view towards Cincinnati,

803
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: you can see it, but don't go there. It's in Covington.

804
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: The taxes are low, the law enforcement is supported, and

805
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Speaker 1: the mayor is someone who's spent his life in law

806
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Speaker 1: enforcement and spent his life in helping those come out

807
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: of addiction. And now you've got a nice long run

808
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Speaker 1: as the mayor of Covington. With all the development going on,

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Speaker 1: it is the place to be once again, Mayor Washington,

810
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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And Ron

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Speaker 1: you're a great American, and thank you very much, thank.

812
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Speaker 2: You, and you're a great Coventonian.

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Speaker 1: Who knows maybe one day I shall return. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Rob Sanders keeps saying it, come on back. I'm thinking, Well,

815
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. But nonetheless, you know, I want

816
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Speaker 1: to fight like a warrior poet for my city because Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: I think the failures of Cincinnati actually hurt Covington. You

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Speaker 1: can't have a functional city a quarter mile away from

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Speaker 1: a non funtmctional city and have great success for both.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the failure of Cincinnati necessarily causes the

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Speaker 1: success in Covington. I think the two together. Covington might

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Speaker 1: be able to learn something from Cincinnati. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: what it is, but Cincinnati could learn a lot from

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Speaker 1: Covington as far as law and order, respect for the police, etc.

825
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Speaker 1: And when terrible events take place, it is handled according

826
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Speaker 1: to the judicial system without politics weighing in, which is

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Speaker 1: what's happening so much in Cincinnati now. But once again,

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Speaker 1: Mayor Ron Washington, thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show.

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Speaker 5: And Mary, you're a great American. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, sir, God bless you.

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Speaker 1: Let's continue with more line becomes available five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 1: seven thousand. There you gotten and the differential in law

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Speaker 1: enforcement and the judges and the juvenile court system and

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Speaker 1: the police in Covington or Newport Boone County significantly different

835
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Speaker 1: than what you see in the city of Cincinnati. And

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Speaker 1: I've had more than one Cincinnati and tell me, look,

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Speaker 1: it's not safe anymore. Can't walk aroun. I'm looking at channels.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at CNN and Fox News and big monitors

839
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Speaker 1: in my studio. I see street takeovers happening in every

840
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Speaker 1: major American city, including in Wisconsin, including in LA were

841
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Speaker 1: four to five hundred kids descend upon an apple store

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Speaker 1: and looted. And I know that I've been told that

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Speaker 1: the Kenwood Town Center, which is the Crown Jewel, there

844
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Speaker 1: was somebody part of a takeover of the Kenwood Town

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Speaker 1: Center who notified police. And when that happened, the Town

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Speaker 1: Center quickly engaged local law enforcement, especially the Sheriff's Department,

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Speaker 1: under the leadership of Charmage McGuffey, to have two and

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Speaker 1: three police units outside the entries and exits of every

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Speaker 1: entry and exit in the Kenwood Town Center to make

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Speaker 1: sure it didn't happen. That They required each juvenile to

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Speaker 1: be in the company of one adult, and so the

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Speaker 1: takeover was planned, it was executed, but it didn't work

853
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Speaker 1: because there was someone knarking out the group to saying look,

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Speaker 1: We're coming to loot the Apple store at the Kenwood

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Speaker 1: Town Center, and it didn't happen because of one person

856
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Speaker 1: who notified the Kenwood Town Center. What's coming and more

857
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Speaker 1: that's going to take place as society continues to disintegrate.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't happen in Covington, it doesn't happen in Newport,

859
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: doesn't happen in Boone County, doesn't happen in Westchester or Mason.

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Speaker 1: It happens because of a lack of law enforcement respect,

861
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Speaker 1: lack of judges, and people committing wrongful acts not being arrested.

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Speaker 5: That's their issue.

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Speaker 1: It's going to have Mayor Ron Washington on from Covenant

864
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Speaker 1: to talk about what's going on. Let's continue. Bill Cunningham,

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Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 8: The O one pitch swung on fly ball short right

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Speaker 8: center field. Out goes McLain, incomes Benson, and McLean makes

868
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Speaker 8: the catch and holds on while Benson slides in under

869
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Speaker 8: him and takes out his feet.

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Speaker 5: That's how it ends. Red's win it two to nothing thing.

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Speaker 8: Oh the Pirates here at Great American Ballpark to take

872
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Speaker 8: the series open a way.

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Speaker 2: To end it.

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Speaker 5: Hello, I'm broadcasting.

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00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: Said last year if the same thing had happened, McClain

876
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: would have free he would have dropped the ball and

877
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: it would have taken his knee and hit it into

878
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 1: the head of the clan that both be on the field.

879
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: The two guys would circle their faces to to here

880
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: we go. Yep, something's different about this year. Do you

881
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: agree or not?

882
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 9: Well, one thing is that as you learn playing for

883
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 9: I'd learned from Frederick Funeral Home and you.

884
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 5: Played for Thomas Funeral Home.

885
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 9: That one thing is that the ball goes up there

886
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 9: and somebody has to yell I got it, I got it,

887
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 9: I got it. I don't know if anyone anything we

888
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 9: don't add. But McLain got feet taken out from under him.

889
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 5: That's it.

890
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 9: But I guess maybe the baseball gods are smiling down

891
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 9: on the Reds going you know what, none of.

892
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 1: How about Pegane Every time, every time it's the ninth inning,

893
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: usual last night, I'm glad. I hold my breath when

894
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: the ninth inning arrives Saturday. First batter's walked right, one out,

895
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: one out away from a one out away from a win,

896
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: and whammegon. We need a closer like Tommy Hume or

897
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: Roald as Chapman, do you agree or the MB, the NBS,

898
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: the Nasty Boys. How about getting con Myers and still

899
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: with us no devil? Yes, Carlton, I don't think them

900
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: in put their arm over their head like Brantley. Can

901
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: Brandley still pitch you crazy? I'm thinking right now when

902
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: they Reds need a closer, I thought it might have

903
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: been Connor Phillips. I'm not so sure. You got to

904
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: throw strikes, segment.

905
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 5: Strikes.

906
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: Right when they walked the first batter, It's like, here

907
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: we go, here we go, right, yeah, here we go.

908
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 5: Dave Lapham Grease.

909
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 9: And probably Terry Francona's got a big old bottle of

910
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 9: uh remember when Pete had those big that big giant

911
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 9: bottle of toms thumbs. He probably has that underneath us

912
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 9: in the dugouts. And every time they walk somebody in

913
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 9: the ninth inning, he probably takes one.

914
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 5: They're not playing well right now and they're three and one.

915
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: Well, he thet reporters of Proud Service, every local Thamestar

916
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: heating interconditioning dealers Tamestar quality you could feel in Cincinnati.

917
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Speaker 1: Call Schmid Heating and Cooling five one three five three

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Speaker 1: one sixty nine hundred Sponge. We want to thank Lear's

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Speaker 1: Prime Market Willie for our lunch today. Deluxe Delhi located

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Speaker 1: in beautiful downtown Milford, the home of the Eagles, Learsprime

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Lear's Prime always a cut above. And what

922
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: about zips? You forgot about zips? The zip Burghers were delicious.

923
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: Whoever brought those, God Bless America might have been Mark

924
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: sheer Well Burns allowing one, hitting five who indings last night?

925
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 5: Will he first major league win?

926
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 9: Jose Franco retired five batters and an inny and two

927
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 9: thirds of relief, and then Connor Phillips got his first

928
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 9: big league saved despite walking two and then doesn't. The

929
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 9: hard Way gets three in a row, and the Reds

930
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 9: are tied for first place with Milwaukee at three and one.

931
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 5: Here we go, Red Legs, Here we go.

932
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 9: Bubba Chandler Bubba Up goes up against Brandon Williamson to

933
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 9: night in Game two of the series. It's Williams's first

934
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 9: major league start since September of twenty twenty four.

935
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 5: Is any good? I hope so?

936
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,240
Speaker 9: Seven hundred ww's coverage five to forty Sports Talk, Rnell Carriers,

937
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 9: Inside Pitch, Kelsey Chevrolet Extrating show after the game. Now

938
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 9: Big South Stewart, of course, as the Nation League Player

939
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 9: of the Week. He is the fourth Red since nineteen

940
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 9: hundred to reach base safely three plus times in each

941
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 9: of the the team's first four games of a season.

942
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 9: Big Sal joins Cal Daniels in nineteen eighty eight, Number

943
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 9: twenty eight, Hall of Famer number eight, Yogi Berra, Joe

944
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 9: Morgan in nineteen seventy five, and IVL. Goodman the year

945
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 9: of the flood nineteen thirty seven.

946
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: It was the star of the nineteen thirty nine nineteen

947
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: forty Reds.

948
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 5: Nic Lodolo blister update.

949
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 9: Here we go, he set to throw a rehab game

950
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 9: Thursday in Daytona.

951
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 5: Here we go.

952
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 9: That's with a tour Tucas. That's the Red Single, A

953
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 9: minor league team down there in Florida probably watched the

954
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 9: rocket go off, and then that should set up a

955
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 9: return for Lodolo from the IL when the Reds are

956
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 9: in beautiful Miami starting next Monday. How about this, Milwaukee

957
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 9: Brewers one of their top prospects infielder Cooper Pratt. He's

958
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 9: played only three games above double A. Finalizes an eight year,

959
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 9: fifty one million dollar deal.

960
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 5: The Maritor's top prospect. He's never been in the majors.

961
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 9: He's only played three games above double A. How much

962
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 9: money again, fifty one mill and eight. But but Seattle

963
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 9: Mariners top prospect Colt Emerson, who was not debuted yet

964
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 9: in the big leagues, has an eight year, ninety five

965
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 9: million dollar contract extension. What incentives could raise it to

966
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 9: one hundred and thirty million? And he hasn't even stepped

967
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 9: on a major league field yet?

968
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 5: What about that?

969
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: They did that with Hunter Green right right, paid him

970
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: up to twenty nine or thirty million? Yep, getting pitched.

971
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 5: Let's see high school baseball.

972
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 9: We say congrats to Springboro Panthers coach Mark Pelfrey win

973
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 9: number six hundred yesterday and down in Florida beating a

974
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 9: team from Illinois five to nothing. So congratulations. Let's see

975
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 9: college college basketball NCAA turning up, Attorney update ACR gun

976
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 9: eyed Pools and Spas call today swim this year men's

977
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 9: national National Semifinals set for Saturday, Indianapolis. The site Illinois Yukon.

978
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 5: Are you liking that matchup? Yukon? Who are you liking?

979
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 5: The other one?

980
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 1: Michigan Arizona going with the Wildcats. I'm going with Michigan.

981
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: You want to bet me a hot fight Sunday? Why

982
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: not go ahead.

983
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 9: NCAA Women's Final four is set in Phoenix Friday. Semi

984
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 9: finals Yukon and South Carolina they don't like each other,

985
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 9: and UCLA and Texas all four number one seeds made

986
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 9: it through.

987
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 5: I know what they were.

988
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 6: Do you get a w you get on the plane?

989
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 9: The action on Fox Sports thirteen sixty now. Also, they're

990
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 9: going to play the NABC Division One College All Star

991
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 9: Game on Friday afternoon in Indianapolis at three point thirty

992
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 9: Xaviers Trey Carroll, Miami's Peter Souter, Dayton's Javon Bennett, and

993
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 9: Ohio States Bruce Thornton will be in the game Friday

994
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 9: in Indianapolis.

995
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: I have a text here from a friend of mine's,

996
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 1: and I read a story this morning about a lady

997
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: farmer in Iowa who at her foot amputated after an accident.

998
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: She was back at work in about ten days.

999
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 5: Tom Brenneman had that story.

1000
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: Yes, Lodolo will be out half a season because of

1001
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: a blister.

1002
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 5: Well, no, that's that's Hunter Green. Lodola will be back

1003
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 5: next week. Do you want to bet me on that. Yes,

1004
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 5: that's why he's gonna you bet me a hot fight Sunday. Okay,

1005
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 5: take your index finger, take it off the ball. You

1006
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 5: mean that one? Oh, I know, the index finger in.

1007
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: The middle finger. Yeah, and get the index finger off

1008
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: the ball and then throw it.

1009
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: Did he do that?

1010
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 5: Do you think Derek Johnson's listening?

1011
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 10: No?

1012
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 5: Well, I mean Gordon Vetterino taught me how to do that.

1013
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 5: I had a not even have a blister.

1014
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 1: I had like a wart on that my index finger

1015
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: right there, and whenever I pitched it would hurt, it

1016
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: started bleeding.

1017
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 5: Well, I thought, you just chewed it off.

1018
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: I chewed off the top digit. I left the bottom

1019
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: tooth thirds of the finger there. I just stuck in

1020
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: my mouth and took it round and I bit it

1021
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: off and spit it out. But then there was so

1022
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: much blood I had to throw it left hand for

1023
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: a couple inues. Then I went back to the right.

1024
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: You're an athlete, all I can say, the bite off

1025
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: the top digit of your finger.

1026
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 5: Bite it off.

1027
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: You don't need it anyway, then you'll pitch a lot better. Well,

1028
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: you need the other finger in the middle, don't you. Well,

1029
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: you got to use that for the for the for

1030
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: the for the pressure right there, the pressure that right there. Yeah,

1031
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: put the ball right I see what you mean. Yeah,

1032
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: lift it up, lift it up, lift it up right there?

1033
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 5: Now what you're like? Number one? Correct? Okay and go

1034
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 5: whirst Aaron Johnson can I talked to him?

1035
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 9: He's probably uh probably down there right now. I'm gonna

1036
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 9: talk to him down there in the uh con friendly

1037
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 9: confines of g A BP.

1038
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 5: I gotta talk to him. Finally, how about how about LT.

1039
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:52,959
Speaker 2: Gray.

1040
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 5: I was changing my radio stations and on my phone

1041
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 5: when I wrecked. I want to listen to us. He's

1042
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 5: still listed, is going to play in the Masters, but

1043
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 5: I bet against it me too. Number one.

1044
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: He also had listed drugs in his front right pocket.

1045
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: Had two oxy cotins, not good, but they were ahead

1046
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: of script.

1047
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 5: You can get a script.

1048
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean Elvis Presley had scripts like crazy right right now?

1049
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: He turned out not good, died on the potty.

1050
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: Yep.

1051
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: I'm saying Tiger's going to kill himself for someone else

1052
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: if he doesn't stop.

1053
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 9: And also Willie, there's news at after this easter break

1054
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 9: for NASCAR, they go to Bristol Motor Speedway, and I

1055
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 9: believe the Grand Marshal for the race.

1056
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 5: Down there is none other than Michael Jordan No Caine,

1057
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 5: the Big Grand Machine. Is that the guy from saying

1058
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 5: next that one the state title?

1059
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 9: No, that's the guy that that's uh, wait a minute, what,

1060
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 9: wait a minute? Time the big Blue Machine.

1061
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 5: They're seeing x Ry cons on the house.

1062
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 2: Two.

1063
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 9: Well, he's going to be part of the festivities.

1064
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 5: He's the he's a mayor Knoxville. Yeah, or something like that.

1065
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 5: He didn't either go Undertaker's brother.

1066
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, so Kine the Big Red Machine will be

1067
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 9: at Personal Motor Speedway in a week.

1068
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 5: That's what that's when the fans get fired up.

1069
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: You take pro wrestling, country music, and NASCAR being go.

1070
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: That's the three of the four food groups in the South. Amen,

1071
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the other one is. Now, what

1072
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: else is happening? What about the investigation in the chief Thiji?

1073
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 1: So I'm looking at the ethical duties of a Ohio prosecutor. So,

1074
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: when you're the prosecutor, your job is not to get convictions.

1075
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 1: Your job is quote in sure the accused is advised

1076
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: of their constitutional rights right and only prosecute cases supportive

1077
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: probable costs.

1078
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 2: What with his crime?

1079
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: So Stravinsky's investigators with CPD said, there is no probable cost.

1080
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: That's the guy that was is a guy that was

1081
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: in the fight, right, the brawl. Yes, yeah, okay, I

1082
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: had a shoe in print on the left side of

1083
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: his face.

1084
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 2: What with his crime?

1085
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: When I'm trying to find what they were trying to

1086
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: figure it out, right, they dismissed it. So they went

1087
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: all through this nothing and it was dismissed nothing what

1088
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: with his crime. But now the fund begins because with

1089
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: the other seven they can throw the lawsuit.

1090
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 5: They can throw addle lawsuit in there.

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Speaker 1: When your job is to never prosecute charges not supported

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Speaker 1: by probable cause, and when the police department says there

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Speaker 1: is no probable cause, the lawyers who prosecuted those cases

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Speaker 1: I'm referring specifically to Emily Smart and Warner and others

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Speaker 1: should face disciplinary charges and lose their license.

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Speaker 10: What I would expect prosecutors to act like prospers. Thank you, Joe,

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Speaker 10: Joe just calling him with that one. So I'm just saying,

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Speaker 10: we got nothing but issues.

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Speaker 5: So they have no money. So they went all through that.

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Speaker 1: I gotten the police said there was no probable call,

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Speaker 1: and so what they continued on with the trial because

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Speaker 1: they were told to do so by aft have Pure

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Speaker 1: of All and Cheryl Long is.

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Speaker 5: He is he back in town? Or is he still

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Speaker 5: in Saskatchewan?

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Speaker 9: On he only leaves for big events. I think he's

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Speaker 9: watching it. I did a rod of course, that was

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Speaker 9: over with three weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: He leaves when the music festival happens, or the taste happens,

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Speaker 1: or opening day happens. Mayor aftab Pure of All decides

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Speaker 1: to leave.

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Speaker 9: So this guy is You think this guy is gonna

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Speaker 9: then file the simons and millions of dollars. The city's already,

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Speaker 9: you know, So the city's what twenty nine and a

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00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 9: half million in the in the in the down?

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Speaker 1: How about eight million of the symphony? And buck, what's

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Speaker 1: up with problems? How about eight What does a symphony

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Speaker 1: pay for that? How about the farmer family that's pocket

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00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 1: chain to them billionaires? And then that guy, that guy

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Speaker 1: just gave forty three million to UC to name the

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Speaker 1: law school after him Camp.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, good thought, I thought you'd do that.

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Speaker 1: He uh the William d cutting him in College of

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Speaker 1: Law at Park High School?

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, what are we gonna do? The ring off?

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Speaker 4: Don't know?

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Speaker 5: Well, the big redhead over here is headed headed south.

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Speaker 5: You need the ringof uh.

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Speaker 9: We can't do it tomorrow. Got to wait till he

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Speaker 9: gets back from from Madagascar or wherever he's going reading

1131
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Speaker 9: Commodo Dragons. Yeah, say give me out of the Stude report.

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Speaker 9: We've scheduled Michael Allan Junior what to talk about the

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Speaker 9: City Prosecutor's office and the lack of shall we say,

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Speaker 9: ethical considerations that could result in their disbarmment. Willy and

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Speaker 9: in honor of the red legs getting four in a

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Speaker 9: road tonight, we leave you with the immortal words of

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Speaker 9: the Stewo rip Or.

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Speaker 2: At some point this foolishness is got to stop.

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Speaker 1: Mike Doline lays down the law on news radio seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WL. Now let's continue. We've never stopped with simply

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Speaker 1: continuing a head on. Doug Brandon, the attorney for Alex Stravinsky,

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Speaker 1: about two hours ago, to talk about the dismissal of

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Speaker 1: the charges today against M and M four was filed

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Speaker 1: by the City Prosecutor's office. Facts indicated that the two

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Speaker 1: detectives who investigated the matter found no probable cause to

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Speaker 1: believe any criminal charges should be filed against Stravinsky, that

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Speaker 1: despite that the city Prosecutor's office and the city solicitor,

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Speaker 1: led by Emily smart Warner, required that charges be filed

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Speaker 1: despite the lack of probable cause, and that caused as

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Speaker 1: many considerations. I made the reference that a lawyer who's prosecutors,

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Speaker 1: their job is not to get conviction, but to do justice,

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Speaker 1: to do what's fair, to look after the accused. And

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Speaker 1: Michael Allen Jr. Walks in the halls of justice every

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Speaker 1: day between City Hall and federal court. And how many

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Speaker 1: county prosecutor's office joining us now is that's saying. Michael

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Speaker 1: Allen Jr. And Mike Allen Junior, welcome again to the

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Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, Mike, I made

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Speaker 1: the comments that the lawyers in this case, the solicitors

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Speaker 1: and the prosecutors hired by the city, cannot hide behind

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Speaker 1: the fact that their superiors told them to prosecute a

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Speaker 1: criminal case when they knew or should have known, they

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Speaker 1: knew there wasn't probable cause.

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Speaker 5: And my hon or off track when I say that,

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Speaker 5: I Bill.

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Speaker 11: You were a criminal defense attorney yourself, you are spot

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01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 11: on with that, And I would a conspiratorial thinking person

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Speaker 11: would wonder if this really was the case of a

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Speaker 11: missing witness, or if the city realized the same thing

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Speaker 11: that you just said. I I'm not sure if that

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Speaker 11: witness was truly unavailable, but the point is is that

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Speaker 11: it seems to me that they may have seen the

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Speaker 11: light on this and realized, you know, hey, not only

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Speaker 11: are we prosecuting a case that there's not going to

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Speaker 11: be you know, there's no probable cause to even charge

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Speaker 11: in the first place, but that you're going to have

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Speaker 11: Cincinnati police officers on the stand presumably testifying as such.

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Speaker 11: Where you know, in that point, like you just said,

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Speaker 11: at that point, they're in an ethical soup.

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Speaker 6: So I gotta be honest with you.

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Speaker 5: If I were a.

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Speaker 11: Conspiracy theorist Bill, I would say, well, maybe there wasn't

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Speaker 11: an issue with the witness.

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Speaker 6: Maybe they just needed an out here.

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Speaker 1: The other issue, I'm looking at the duties of a

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Speaker 1: prosecutor Ohio duties of prosecutor and the High Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: Governance Rules Rule number four d F says the following

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Speaker 1: prosecutors must refrain from prosecuting charges unsupported by probable calls

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Speaker 1: is simply black letter law. Because I wanted to say

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Speaker 1: higher prosecutors as ministers of justice are ethically bound to

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Speaker 1: seek justice rather than merely convictions.

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Speaker 5: So you put those two things together.

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Speaker 1: So the actual human beings who are in the Prosecutor's

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Speaker 1: office headquartered under the leadership of Emily Smart Warner seemingly

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Speaker 1: directly violated ethical considerations. Their duties to the law, not

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Speaker 1: to a conviction. And Emily Smart Warner's duties are not

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Speaker 1: to the city manager or to the mayor, or lemon

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Speaker 1: Kearney or Scotti Johnson. Their duties to the law. Do

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Speaker 1: they have liability? Is there conceivable liability? Do they have

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Speaker 1: to lose their license?

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Speaker 6: I mean, Bill, you know this.

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Speaker 11: There's the rule and then there's the practicality of it,

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Speaker 11: and something that's frust Now, look, I've never been a prosecutor.

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Speaker 11: I have no desire or plans to that. Being said,

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Speaker 11: I live with one. I was raised by two prosecutors.

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Speaker 11: What I can tell you is this is in practice

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Speaker 11: that role sometimes is ignored. Now, what I can say

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Speaker 11: is in most offices, and like you said, Man, I'm

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Speaker 11: in Butler County, Brown County, you know, Federal for Claremont County,

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Speaker 11: all over the place. There's only one office that I've

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Speaker 11: dealt with where there seems to be a pattern. And

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Speaker 11: what I can tell you, and again, man, you practice

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Speaker 11: criminal law, and you did with really good attorneys.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes we have to find patterns.

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Speaker 11: And I got to be honest with the bill, it's

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Speaker 11: very rare that it's essentially you know, I have cases

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Speaker 11: where it becomes me and the officer versus the prosecutor.

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Speaker 11: And the pattern I've noticed and my practice bill is

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Speaker 11: that happens more often with the City of Cincinnati's office. Now,

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Speaker 11: read into that what you may, but from what I've seen,

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Speaker 11: there is a serious disconnect. And I'm not just talking

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Speaker 11: about mister Travinsky's case. I'm talking about every day in

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Speaker 11: that courthouse. There is a disc connect between the Cincinnati

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Speaker 11: Police Department and the City of Cincinnati Prosecutor's office. And

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Speaker 11: it just it does not seem to me in this

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Speaker 11: case highlights it that they don't. It just seems to

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Speaker 11: me that they don't really value the opinion of their

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Speaker 11: police officers A when it comes to investigations and b

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Speaker 11: when it comes to probable cause that they're supposed to

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Speaker 11: get from those investigations. So you know, again, I'm not

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Speaker 11: I can't say that they're actively violating ethical duties but

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Speaker 11: what I am saying is that there does not seem

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Speaker 11: to be a whole lot of objectivity in that office.

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Speaker 11: I do know that there's some people that have had

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Speaker 11: questions about some of those practices, and they are no

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Speaker 11: longer with that office.

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Speaker 6: But again, I can't speak to absolute specifics.

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Speaker 11: But what I can say is what I've seen, and

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Speaker 11: what I've seen is one thousand percent outside the norm

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Speaker 11: of what I get in any other office or any

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Speaker 11: other county.

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Speaker 1: If and when Juspinary Council gets involved in Columbus and

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Speaker 1: gives the opportunity of these prosecutors in the city to

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Speaker 1: be under oath, especially Emily smart Warner, this solicitor, and

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Speaker 1: I guess the questions would be here. We have the

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Speaker 1: report from the two City of Cincinnati detectives who reports

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Speaker 1: there's no probable cause to believe that Stravinsky committed to

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Speaker 1: a criminal act. And we've looked at all the witness statements,

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Speaker 1: We've interviewed the witnesses, We've reviewed hundreds of hours of videotape,

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Speaker 1: we have any forensic evidence that might be available. We

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01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: know everything about this case. And the two cops in

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01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 1: charge of the investigation said there's no probable cause here.

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Speaker 1: So the question might be to Emily smart Warner into

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01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 1: the trial prosecutors, what did you interview witnesses? Did you

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Speaker 1: review hundreds of hours of videotape? Where did you find

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Speaker 1: probable cause in this case? How would they answer that?

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Speaker 6: Bill?

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Speaker 11: I got to be honest, and you know this man,

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Speaker 11: probable cause can be very very nebulous. It's all about

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Speaker 11: reasonable objectivity. That being said, Bill, looking at this case

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Speaker 11: reasonably and objectively, there is no reality conceived or real

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Speaker 11: that anybody could look at this case and objectively say

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01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 11: they were probable cause to charge this guy. There's just

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Speaker 11: no It is completely inconceivable to me that anyone with

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Speaker 11: any legal education looking at that case. And frankly, some

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01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 11: of the cases that I've experienced, you literally can only

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Speaker 11: come up with the conspiracist conclusion that they are following orders.

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Speaker 11: And my experience with this kind of stuff is you're

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01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 11: dealing with robots. There isn't really it does not feel

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01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 11: like there's a whole lot of objective stuff, and you

1270
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 11: just I haven't done it, but you just want to

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01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 11: ask guys, you know, is is this something that you

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01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 11: think of this case in your own legal opinion or

1273
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,840
Speaker 11: are you being told what to think? Here is your

1274
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 11: evaluation being given to you. And what's frustrating is is

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Speaker 11: it feels like like politics. The reason I went to

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01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 11: law school, Bill is you go to court. That's where

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Speaker 11: it all is.

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01:07:59,040 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 6: Supposed to stop.

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Speaker 11: And all that matters is objective reality, objective facts. And

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Speaker 11: this is a perfect example of when you know, perceived

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Speaker 11: or reality of politics bleeding into the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 6: This is exactly what happens.

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Speaker 11: And to your point about being under oath, the irony

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Speaker 11: of how uncomfortable those Cincinnati police officers must have felt

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Speaker 11: last night in this morning saying I cannot believe I'm

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Speaker 11: about to get on the stand and say the things

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Speaker 11: that I'm about to say. And it has just seemed

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Speaker 11: to me that they don't really seem to care about

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01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 11: putting their officers under oath and putting them in the

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Speaker 11: shark tank with defense.

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Speaker 6: Attorneys like me.

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Speaker 11: And it's like, well, maybe somebody does need to be

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Speaker 11: put under oath from that office and then they can

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01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 11: see what it's like to be uncomfortable under oath.

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Speaker 6: Because again I can't speak very specifically.

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Speaker 11: Because there may or may not be pending litigation with

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01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 11: some of the stuff I'm talking about Bill, but it

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Speaker 11: is breathtaking to me that this man was charged. Just

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Speaker 11: there is no reality or or or any world where

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01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 11: this guy should have been charged with this crime. So,

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Speaker 11: I mean, again, probable cause is very nebulous in this case.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't you used the term following orders? We've heard

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Speaker 1: that before. Yeah, can these prosecutors can emily smart warners

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01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: say I was following orders that I was told to

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Speaker 1: to prosecute these cases, and therefore I'm absolved from personal blame.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely not. She's the one with the law license Bill,

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Speaker 11: not not the administration. And what's frustrating about it is is,

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Speaker 11: you know, you see it in movies, sometimes you hear

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Speaker 11: about it on the news. You know, some of these

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Speaker 11: room prosecutors, Bill, you know this their kids, their younger

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01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 11: attorneys that are just trying to make a living, just

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Speaker 11: trying to do some justice. And that's what's frustrating is

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Speaker 11: the people that generally seem to be causing this situation.

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Speaker 11: It's like, you know what, you come, try the case.

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Speaker 11: Don't send some innocent person that has nothing to do

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Speaker 11: with this to do the dirty work on this. So yeah,

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Speaker 11: I mean, you know this Bill, even if I was

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Speaker 11: working at a firm and I was just sort of

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Speaker 11: a junior associate, and you know, my partner attorney tells me, hey, Mike,

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Speaker 11: I need you to do this, and I have an

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Speaker 11: ethical question. That's when I walk in and fall on

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Speaker 11: the sword and go, hey, man, I appreciate the opportunity.

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Speaker 11: I'm not comfortable doing this because I am the one

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Speaker 11: signing my name with my bar number to this.

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Speaker 6: It's my bot on the line.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 1: As far as Adam Henney, who's the he was a

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Speaker 1: captain at the time. Now he's the acting chief, I'm

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Speaker 1: told by ken Koeber on and off the air. Ken

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Speaker 1: Kober said that the reason Adam Henny put his name

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01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: on these charges is because if he didn't do it,

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Speaker 1: the city Solicitor's office would have demanded that the cops

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Speaker 1: themselves doing the detectives put their name on it, in

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Speaker 1: which case there between a rock and a hard place,

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01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,799
Speaker 1: because they'd be swearing under oath, before God and country

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Speaker 1: that I believe that Alex Schirvinski committed a criminal act.

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Speaker 1: And Adam Henny, he said it was a profile encouraged

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Speaker 1: to say I'm going to protect my men so they

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Speaker 1: don't have to do it now quickly. After all this transpired,

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Speaker 1: Fiji gets fired for terrible reasons, and here comes out

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Speaker 1: of Henny. He did what he was told to do,

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Speaker 1: he followed orders. He's now the acting police chief. What

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01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: about that one?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it's pretty unbelievable, man. And

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Speaker 11: it's it's again like this is why the courts were

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01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 11: designed to be completely a political And again you got

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01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 11: a sort of contrast Henny with the solicitor. Henny is saying, no,

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Speaker 11: I'm not gonna do this. I'll protect my men. I

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01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 11: care about the people that are my subordinates, or the

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01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 11: people that work for me or help me build cases.

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Speaker 11: You know, is it too much to ask for the

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Speaker 11: city solicitor to do the same thing, to say, no,

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01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 11: we screwed up, we needed, you know, further investigation, dismiss

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01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 11: this case. But they do this garbage where they hide

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Speaker 11: behind oh, a witness didn't show up.

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Speaker 6: I mean, and again, Bill, I gotta be honest.

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Speaker 11: It's very, very very hard for me to believe that

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Speaker 11: this witness did not show up because the reality is

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Speaker 11: those police are are there. From my perspective, that trial

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Speaker 11: could go. That trial could go as long as you

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Speaker 11: have the police officers there. You know this has been

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Speaker 11: so investigated, it's all on video.

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Speaker 6: You could have that trial.

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Speaker 11: So that's not the first time that I've seen or

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Speaker 11: experienced something that makes you perk your ears up and go,

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Speaker 11: It's funny, how like this is happening right in front

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01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 11: of my faith and all of a sudden somebody has

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01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 11: plausible deniability, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 6: It's I'm not staying there unethical.

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Speaker 11: I'm not saying they break ethical rules, but I'm telling

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Speaker 11: you there are things that go all there that I've

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Speaker 11: never seen in any other area that I've practiced in.

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Speaker 6: If I were a conspiracy theorist, I think there's something

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Speaker 6: to it.

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Speaker 1: Now another aspect of the ethical considerations, I've represented a

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Speaker 1: few lawyers before Displinary Council, and that is, if a

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Speaker 1: lawyer has personal knowledge that an ethical violation has transpired,

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Speaker 1: and is that person's duty that man or that woman

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Speaker 1: who has a license and as an officer of the

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01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 1: court an attorney, is that attorney's duty to suggest a

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01:12:56,920 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: disciplinary council in Columbus that ethical can iterations should be

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Speaker 1: filed against Emily Smart Warner and those trial prosecutors for

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01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: those who know about this.

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Speaker 5: And to an extent you may know some of that.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel a duty to step forward under the

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01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:14,600
Speaker 1: rules of disciplinary Council that if you know violation has

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Speaker 1: taking place, it is your duty to bring it to

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Speaker 1: the attention of Supreme Court.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, But a lot of times the issue that happens

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Speaker 11: with that is it's hearsay. You know what I mean,

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01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 11: and it's got to be you know, personal personal knowledge.

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Speaker 11: And that's where I'm going with this is that there's

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Speaker 11: so many times where the city will will it seems

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Speaker 11: to me, create plausible deniability at the very last second,

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01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 11: because you know, cases will be pending and pending and

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Speaker 11: pending and pending, and you have these discussions guys, you

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01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 11: don't have probable cause of your guys. You don't have

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01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 11: probable cause of your guys. The officer is telling me

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Speaker 11: he shouldn't have arrested my client, and then at the

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Speaker 11: you know, the.

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Speaker 6: Second the trial begins.

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Speaker 11: I've had issues where an attorney has been a prosecutor's

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01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 11: been permanently assigned to a case, and then the moment

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01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,439
Speaker 11: that the trial comes, all of a sudden, there's an

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01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:05,080
Speaker 11: attorney I've never seen from that office there to try

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01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 11: the case. Does that attorney have personal knowledge of an

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01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:12,879
Speaker 11: ethical violation? No, exactly, so that on top of witnesses

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Speaker 11: just somehow not showing up.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's again a conspiracy.

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Speaker 11: Theorist would wonder if there's something going on here, And

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01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 11: my hope is that if and it seems like there's

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Speaker 11: going to be litigation here, especially when it comes to

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01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 11: mister Travinsky, I hope that we start to get the

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01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 11: answers because this is one thousand percent politics bleeding into

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01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 11: the criminal justice system. And that's where that's why this

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01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,839
Speaker 11: whole thing has gone sideways. And it's a textbook example

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Speaker 11: as to why you don't do this.

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Speaker 1: And that's why the cops, the detectives would not be

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01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 1: put on the stand this morning. If they did, they

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01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: would have said, under oath, before God and country, there's

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01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: not probable cause in this case. And I was ordered

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Speaker 1: to do this and I refused, and eventually Captain Henny

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Speaker 1: my now my acting chief, said okay, I'll take the charges,

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Speaker 1: but I would not put my name in these charges

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01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: because Shrevinsky is not guilty. Now that is strong testimony

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Speaker 1: in front of a jury.

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Speaker 11: That's I mean, quite literally, I do not know how

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01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 11: you proceed after that? I mean I at that point

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01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 11: you say, Judge, can we approach can when I look

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01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 11: at them? Yeah, and I say, and I say to

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01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 11: the prosecutor, are you really committing suicide?

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01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 6: Dear? Are you really committing professional? You are going to

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01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 6: continue this?

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01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 11: You have just essentially signed yourself up to be in

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01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 11: that green book like you have. And it's it's maddening,

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01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,560
Speaker 11: it's breathtaking, And it's one of these things, Bill, you

1437
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 11: go to court, everybody's got different styles. Everybody, every prosecutor is,

1438
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,719
Speaker 11: you know, heavy on some stuff, maybe.

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01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 6: A little light on other things.

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01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 11: But some of the stuff that I've seen personally with

1441
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 11: that office, Bill is so outside the norm of of

1442
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 11: objectivity and looking at cases, it's it's unreal to me.

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01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,600
Speaker 1: So you have individuals prosecuted in the city of Cincinnati

1444
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: for political reasons.

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01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 6: Mister Travinsky is exhibit A. Bill.

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01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 11: But what I will say is what I've noticed in

1447
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 11: my experience is that if victims are of a certain

1448
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 11: a certain background, I'll put it that way.

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01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 5: How about race, all of a sudden, how about race?

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01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 11: Absolutely, and they're plumbing between their legs as well, Bill,

1451
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 11: I'll put it that way. Yeah, when it comes to

1452
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 11: you know, assaults ag menacing domestic violence, obviously those are

1453
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 11: extremely extremely serious cases.

1454
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 6: Right.

1455
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 11: But that being said, I have noticed in my practice

1456
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 11: that if a victim, no matter how preposterous the allegations are,

1457
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 11: no matter how ridiculous it is, it's not the prosecutor

1458
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:53,839
Speaker 11: running the case, it's the victim, and it's it's Marcy's

1459
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 11: law NonStop, to the point where you finally just go, Okay,

1460
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 11: who's running this case here?

1461
01:16:58,280 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 6: You or this victim?

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01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 11: And yeah, I mean it's it's There are things that

1463
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 11: happen every day in Hamlin County Municipal Court with that

1464
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 11: office that are one thousand percent outside the norm of

1465
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 11: anything I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know Dispinary Council is going to get involved

1467
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 1: in this. I know, I know civil lawsuits are going

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01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 1: to go And these lawyers who did this, Shrevinsky, have

1469
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 1: their law license on the line. And they gave it

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01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: up for what for the rhyming reverence. They gave it

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Speaker 1: up for Michelle Kearney. They gave it up for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you violated the ethical considerations as a prosecutor because

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01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:33,679
Speaker 1: it was I was following orders.

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01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 5: That does that doesn't work right.

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01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 6: Bill.

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Speaker 11: My only hope is that you know, the the maybe

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01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 11: the final saving grace for these folks is the run

1478
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:45,520
Speaker 11: of the mill everyday room prosecutors in that office.

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Speaker 6: That they've put them in horrible, horrible.

1480
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Speaker 11: Positions that they they essentially fall on the sword for

1481
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 11: them because you have these people, they're young lawyers that

1482
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 11: are just trying to do the right thing that a

1483
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 11: lot of times it really feels like their hands are

1484
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 11: tied and they have no ability to objectively.

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Speaker 6: Evaluate a case.

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01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 5: Mike Allen Junior, thank you very much.

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01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 6: Appreciate it, Bill, take care, God bless you.

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01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: And for Mike Allen himself to step forward is a

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01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: little bit of a profile encourage because he has to

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01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: be down there. I'm not down there anymore. Last time

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Speaker 1: I was in court was about four months or four

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01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,639
Speaker 1: years ago. But he's down there every day. And when

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01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 1: the city law director and the mayor and the city

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01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: manager demands a criminal prosecution because of race that the

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01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: city detectives say is not a case, they're putting the

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Speaker 1: lawyers themselves who prosecute their all license is gone. Bill Cunningham,

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Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred Wow. I would expect prosecutors to

1498
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 1: act like prosecutors.

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Speaker 2: Hello, quiet, I'm broadcasting.

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Speaker 5: Irock. You're a lawyer. A great note to hold in

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01:18:56,439 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 5: my hand. Of course, Disciplinary council right here, yep, it

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01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 5: is heard you on with Mike Allen.

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01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:06,879
Speaker 1: Somebody talks about let me share with you at disciplinary

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01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 1: rule number four D six. It says here you must

1505
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 1: refrain from prosecuting any person unsupported by probable calls.

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01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 5: In other worse, no, you've got to have a legit

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01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 5: reason to bring charges on something.

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01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: This morning, you got two twenty five year veteran Cincini

1509
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 1: police detectives saying there's no probable calls. But but f

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01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 1: t purreval lemon Kearney, Scottie Johnson, and the county solicitor

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Speaker 1: Emily listening, Emily Smartwarner said, despite the law, despite your

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01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 1: rules of engagement, when you're a prosecutor, follow the charges anyway.

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01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 12: A prosecutor can't can't follow the directive of someone higher

1514
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 12: than him.

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Speaker 1: He's got your law license, right, you know. Like a

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01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: medical doctor. Let's say the head of surgery says to

1517
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 1: doctor Rocky, guys, got uh, the guy doesn't need the surgery,

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01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 1: But do it anyway, because I'm telling you to do it.

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01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 1: Rock cut that guy open. Can you say, well, I

1520
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 1: was told I had to do it, no proscut But

1521
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 1: people get.

1522
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 12: Scared because they know that if they don't follow the

1523
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 12: orders from the higher ups, they're gonna find a way, somehow,

1524
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 12: some way to get them disbarred.

1525
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 5: So they follow orders and they fall in line. It

1526
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 5: takes guts. At some point, the foolishness has got to stop.

1527
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 5: So what hapybody knows this is all going on?

1528
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 3: Is this?

1529
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 5: Are there heads an this?

1530
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 2: Yes?

1531
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:41,839
Speaker 5: You mean just justice Justice Joe, thank you, thank you, Kennedy.

1532
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 3: Uh.

1533
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 1: The lawyers who actually filed the chargers, did you believe

1534
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 1: you had probable calls?

1535
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 5: If the answer is no, then you're in the jackpot.

1536
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: If the answer is yes, okay, based upon what we

1537
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 1: have two detectives here who interviewed all the witnesses, read

1538
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: all the videotape, they got fifty years of total experience.

1539
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: They're saying that not even there's no don't follow these charges.

1540
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: So did you review all the witnesses? Did you look

1541
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 1: at all the videotape?

1542
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 5: Did you look?

1543
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 13: No?

1544
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 5: I didn't do that.

1545
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 10: So again we'll see what there's severe constitutional issues here.

1546
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 10: There are cases that say you can't do this, and

1547
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 10: we'll see what happens.

1548
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,840
Speaker 12: So again, Justab's head gonna roll for this. Are they

1549
01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 12: going to look into this? They're gonna they get sequester

1550
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:25,559
Speaker 12: text messages and conversations and all this is gonna happen.

1551
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 5: Or is he gonna skate?

1552
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: Doug Brandon, the civil rights attorney for Alex Shrevinsky, says

1553
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 1: he's pursuing a federal civil rights lawsuit. Boy, put everybody

1554
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: under oath. Let's find out where the chips fall. If

1555
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: that happens, he said, he's gonna say, how about that.

1556
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 1: Get the check books. We got to sell another railroad.

1557
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 5: Wait minute.

1558
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,880
Speaker 12: The news the other day was we gotta start cutting

1559
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 12: stuff because we're over budget.

1560
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 5: How they gonna pay anybody? Gonna be way over budget?

1561
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 5: Are they gonna pay anybody off?

1562
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 1: Gotta pay him off silently? Would have any money, Alex?

1563
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 1: How much money do you want? I'll take five mili?

1564
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 1: By the way, Chief Washington fired fire Chief, how much

1565
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: you want? I'll take five mil. How about Teresa, what

1566
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 1: do you want? I'll take thirty Holly, how much do

1567
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: you want?

1568
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 5: I'll take five mili.

1569
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:13,080
Speaker 1: And at the end of the where where's the money

1570
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: come from? From that money tree behind city all come out.

1571
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,280
Speaker 5: There and just shut out for a chance.

1572
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 1: Handed you know what, if they get him out, then

1573
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: you and who comes in Luken Bingo, He's.

1574
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 5: How does he have to keep making mistakes?

1575
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 12: Egregious ones like not being in Cincinnati on opening Day,

1576
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 12: the biggest day of.

1577
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 5: The year, and he's not there.

1578
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: How about the music festival not there? He gets away

1579
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 1: with it because yeah.

1580
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 5: This one too, this one to roll and shut your mouth.

1581
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 12: Travis hell is unforced errors, also known as how about

1582
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 12: his brother going to the Masters next week?

1583
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 5: That's pretty good? How is he going to stand out?

1584
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 5: But the beard? Yeah, just a little bit.

1585
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 1: You imagine our city being run like this and they

1586
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 1: get reelect it by wide margians.

1587
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 5: Just yeah, that's the thing. When I got to I

1588
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 5: posed something on Twitter.

1589
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 12: It was a video of the violence in downtown an

1590
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 12: opening day, and it got like one hundred and fifteen

1591
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 12: thousand interactions, I mean huge, And that was my point

1592
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 12: is you know that this kind of stuff goes on.

1593
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 5: We know the solution to the problem.

1594
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 12: You need more rests, you need harsher penalties, you need

1595
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 12: you know, judge, you need all that stuff.

1596
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 5: But we have to act like we don't know what

1597
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 5: it is. I wonder what we need to do.

1598
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 12: And then at the same in the same breath, those

1599
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 12: same focus if the election was tomorrow, would get election

1600
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 12: the same thing. So how he's supposed to have sympathy

1601
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 12: for him, I don't know. He's supposed to have sympathy

1602
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 12: for those that are that are wrong when they keep

1603
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 12: voting a certain way.

1604
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: You bring about what you sometimes saying you get what

1605
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: you order, and they're going to order more chaos and

1606
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 1: city residents, you're gonna get more chaos. And the next

1607
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: mayor is lemon Kearney, she's the vice mayor who still

1608
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: at a news conference and said, I'm using the position

1609
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 1: of power that I have to make sure a person

1610
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 1: is criminally charged based up on their race and the

1611
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the next mayor, explain that one

1612
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: to me.

1613
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 5: Just try to have any sympathy it really is.

1614
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: And I had a segment's good friend Mayor Ron Washington

1615
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:15,800
Speaker 1: on at one o'clock they got a call from Adam Henny.

1616
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 5: Call who's this He's the mayor of Covington.

1617
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 2: Okay.

1618
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: He gets a call about five pm from the city

1619
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: police department. He thinks it was Adam Henny saying there's

1620
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: three to five hundred rioters ers coming to the bridges

1621
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 1: from Covington. From Cincinnati to Covington, he said, get ready,

1622
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 1: and so Rob Sanders another put out the bat signal,

1623
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: got about twenty different agencies all over northern Kentucky to

1624
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,000
Speaker 1: go to the end, the Kentucky end of the bridge

1625
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 1: and saying I'm not not now, but you're not coming around.

1626
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 5: Go back that way because over there you can do

1627
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 5: what you want.

1628
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 12: Oh hey, why would they come to coventy when they

1629
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 12: can go to Cincinnati and do whatever they want.

1630
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 5: They're stupid. They thought, Okay, we'll go trash Covington, hurt around,

1631
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 5: don't drown. Why didn't Cincinnati do that? Because they don't.

1632
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:02,439
Speaker 1: We all know.

1633
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 13: And when folks vote, they order what they want, and

1634
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 13: in this case, they got what they asked for.

1635
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 5: A lucid moment from Colona Harris that was I couldn't

1636
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 5: have said it any better.

1637
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 1: This is what the city voters want, chaos and in

1638
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: competent them. They want a mayor that doesn't pay his car.

1639
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,919
Speaker 1: They have they have a vice mayor who is demanding

1640
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:31,720
Speaker 1: racial violence, and they have a city manager of spilled bankruptcy,

1641
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 1: and they're in charge of the city's finances.

1642
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 5: You know they don't.

1643
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, otherwise you're gonna lose another car mayor and they're

1644
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: in charge of the money.

1645
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 5: Two people can remedy this. Who are they? Chazz and

1646
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 5: Sheriff Jones. Get Richard k to bring him down, bring

1647
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 5: him down with the tanks. Clean it'll clean house. But

1648
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,679
Speaker 5: these lawyers, if only you could do that, it's only

1649
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:03,760
Speaker 5: like just common sense. Look, I know it's all you need.

1650
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:07,719
Speaker 2: But here Republicans in the sex life of a Democrat.

1651
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 5: It will happen.

1652
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: It'll never happen because complete desert, lame lock, that's what

1653
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: Luken said.

1654
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 12: Cleet desert downtown and they'll sell things for pennies on

1655
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 12: the doll I've been I've been through this right. OTR

1656
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:24,799
Speaker 12: was a disaster my whole life growing up, and everybody

1657
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 12: moved out. And then they offer buildings on pennies on

1658
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 12: the dollar. So a bunch of people say, we can

1659
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 12: revamp this, we can do this, and you know, build

1660
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 12: it up and it was great, and now the lawlessness

1661
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 12: takes over.

1662
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 5: Everyone's forced to leave, everyone's pulling their business. I've seen

1663
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:37,719
Speaker 5: this movie.

1664
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: Before, haven't you Saturday night, I go to Madison Avenue

1665
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 1: and Covington, go to a place called Carmelois, which is excellent.

1666
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:46,640
Speaker 1: And I said to Penny and Sean Donovan, let's go

1667
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 1: to OTR. So I turn around, go over the bridge,

1668
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 1: go to OTR. You could throw a bowling poll on

1669
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: Saturday down to eight o'clock and not hit a pin

1670
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:54,719
Speaker 1: anywhere in Otr.

1671
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking, okay, what's happening here?

1672
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:02,080
Speaker 12: We're I mean ten years ago that pla was thriving, thriving,

1673
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 12: used to run around down there, No.

1674
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 2: Not now.

1675
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: And Saturday was after the Reds were playing. They played

1676
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 1: at four o'clock. So let's go eight o'clock. And the

1677
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: valets were empty, the restaurants were empty. And I'm thinking, Mayor,

1678
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:17,560
Speaker 1: when you vote, this is what you order. You the

1679
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 1: m quote give me, give you, this gives me the answer. Right,

1680
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 1: This is a tap pure of all right here and

1681
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: h and kamala Harris. Because when you vote, order something

1682
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 1: you want. This is what you get, and this is

1683
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: what you want.

1684
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 13: Because as we all know, elections matter, yes, true, and

1685
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,640
Speaker 13: when folks vote, they order what they want. And in

1686
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 13: this case they got what they asked for.

1687
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 1: And go boom aft pure of all, soon to be

1688
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: the Senate president. He's moving on up. He's like the

1689
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 1: Snake River in Colorado, which is a mile wide and

1690
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 1: an inch deep. And that's all he's got. And you

1691
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 1: got to pay your note? How many cars have you

1692
01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 1: had repossessed?

1693
01:27:58,640 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 5: Any second?

1694
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,800
Speaker 1: Our mayor's in charge of the finances. He's got two

1695
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: cars repossessed.

1696
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:06,720
Speaker 5: It ain't no joke. If you don't pay it the

1697
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 5: no yea? Then what's your name?

1698
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 2: Oh god?

1699
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 5: He's the city manager sharel Long. She's in some some

1700
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 5: difficulties as well right now. Bankruptcy. Yeah, but that's that's

1701
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,799
Speaker 5: a small But they can't clean the snow off the streets.

1702
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,080
Speaker 5: They don't know about what about the snow going?

1703
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 2: Great?

1704
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:22,720
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1705
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 2: Great?

1706
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 5: And welcome to Cincinnati. Take any sports? Will he the

1707
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:31,839
Speaker 5: s Two reporters of proud service of your local Tame.

1708
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: Star Heating and air Conditioning dealers, Tamestar quality you can

1709
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 1: feel in Cincinnati. Call Sheldon Braun at Broad Heating Get

1710
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 1: five one, three, three, eight, five seventy seven sixty five

1711
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 1: one little thing. Kip Guynan, as you know, is the

1712
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: chief prosecutor under County Pillage said publicly, there are no

1713
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 1: criminal charges. It should be filed against Alex Stravinsky. So

1714
01:28:56,520 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 1: the counting record on the record, county prosecutor says they

1715
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. The city police said they didn't that

1716
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 1: guy didn't do anything wrong, but butter pure of all,

1717
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: you know, charge them and then.

1718
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,600
Speaker 12: There's anything going to happen though, that's the question. Now

1719
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 12: is his head gonna roll? There's got to be consequences, consequences.

1720
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 1: I think the lawyers who did this have consequences in

1721
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 1: Columbus because lawyers cannot say I was ordered to do it,

1722
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 1: that's orders. No, lawyers must independently determined independently that I'm

1723
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 1: going to follow the law and not what I'm ordered

1724
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 1: to do by the p class.

1725
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 12: Basically, what you're saying is translations. No one's going to

1726
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 12: rat him out because if they did, they would lose

1727
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 12: their law license.

1728
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 1: No, it would take a lot of coyons for the

1729
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: city solicitors say, you know what, I'm making one hundred

1730
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: and seventy five thousand dollars a year and I'm gonna

1731
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 1: say no to the mayor because it's the right thing

1732
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: to do.

1733
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 12: Yes, How often is that emails, text messages, or anything

1734
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:55,640
Speaker 12: you can look at.

1735
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 5: No laptem says no take anything new. In sports, reds

1736
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:01,280
Speaker 5: and rich today believe Red Legs.

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01:30:01,320 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 9: Look for to make it four in a row and

1738
01:30:04,200 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 9: five forty Sports Talk, Rdell Carriers, Inside Pitch, Kelsey Chevrolet

1739
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 9: Extra Ding Show.

1740
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 5: After the game.

1741
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 9: Oh one other note in college basketball we forgot Miami

1742
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:19,560
Speaker 9: RedHawks standout sophomore Brent Buyers is going to enter the

1743
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 9: transfer portal fourteen point two points per game. The red

1744
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 9: Hawks second leading scorer last year is leaving Oxford.

1745
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:29,680
Speaker 1: You know it's all about the dough, the ray and

1746
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 1: the mee. He played pretty well. Guess what big ten school?

1747
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 1: Essie's a big eat school. We'll give you how about

1748
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 1: two million dollars instead of one hundred thousand?

1749
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 5: See you what want to be rock? Thank you? Thank you,

1750
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 5: sich Yes, sir, let me out a susher four WILLI

1751
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 5: and O a of the Red Legs making it four

1752
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 5: in a row tonight. We leave you with the immortal

1753
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 5: words of the Steward Report.

1754
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 14: The city is it's just one another step in a

1755
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 14: long shre just steps where they embarrass themselves. I think

1756
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 14: it's an outrage that the city council acted the way

1757
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:05,759
Speaker 14: they acted.

1758
01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 5: Slightly said it twenty years ago. He has no idea.

1759
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 5: There no chance a guy like him ever gets back

1760
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 5: in there.

1761
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 1: Zero zilch, not elist, Kating couldn't get elected, and Chris

1762
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:19,719
Speaker 1: Smitherman he didn't get a sniff.

1763
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 5: Later, you order something and this is what you did

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01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 5: on seven