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Speaker 1: Welcome to Get Connected with Nina del Rio, a weekly

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Speaker 1: conversation about fitness, health and happenings in our community on

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to Get Connected. Happy Thanksgiving as

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Speaker 2: we catch up with Epic Players, New York's leading neuroinclusive

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Speaker 2: theater company, presenting the world premiere of the original play

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Speaker 2: bum Bum or This Farce Has Autism by award winning

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Speaker 2: playwright Dave Osmondson, December fourth to fourteenth at Here Art

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Speaker 2: Center in Manhattan. Our guests are Epic Players founder and

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Speaker 2: Executive Artistic Director Aubrey Theian and award winning playwright Dave Osmondson.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being on the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having us, Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 2: You can find out more about the company and the

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Speaker 2: upcoming performance at Epic Players NYC dot org. And I

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Speaker 2: think we'll start with you, Aubrey. The company is approaching

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Speaker 2: its tenth anniversary early congratulations. I know that's in twenty

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we've spoken with you before, but I wonder

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Speaker 2: if you could go back in time a little bit

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Speaker 2: and talk about what led you to found the company

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Speaker 2: and what is the focus of Epic Players.

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Speaker 4: Well, Epic Players is a nonprofit theater company dedicated to

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Speaker 4: elevating and supporting and employing artists who identify as autistic, neurodivergent,

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Speaker 4: or capital deep disabled. We serve about two hundred artists

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Speaker 4: here in New York City, about seven hundred students with disabilities,

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Speaker 4: and then we're also in LA and support about fifty

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Speaker 4: artists there, which is really exciting. And you know, the

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Speaker 4: organization was started because it was doing this work as

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Speaker 4: an actor, as a theater professional for a long time,

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Speaker 4: and I had been working with a couple of different

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Speaker 4: organizations that really focused on more of a drama therapy

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Speaker 4: approach to arts and disabilities. But what I found was

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Speaker 4: that our individuals and our artists really wanted more and

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Speaker 4: that you can be born with a disability and you

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Speaker 4: can also have talent. Those things are not mutually exclusive,

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Speaker 4: and they deserved a professional opportunity to shine. My grandmother

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Speaker 4: had polio. I myself am neurodivergent. My mother is a

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Speaker 4: teacher for students with disabilities. So disability has been in

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Speaker 4: my life for a long time. And seeing kind of

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Speaker 4: the power of that the arts has to build community

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Speaker 4: and find your purpose is something that I didn't think

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Speaker 4: should be gate kept from my community.

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Speaker 2: And from the outside of the community. Why is it

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Speaker 2: important that general audiences experience the work of neurodiverse performers

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Speaker 4: That's a great question. You can't be what you can't see, right,

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Speaker 4: So if we consistently see individuals who are non disabled

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Speaker 4: in non neurodivergent playing autistic disabled characters, then you perpetualize

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Speaker 4: this story so type that people with disabilities are not capable,

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Speaker 4: which is completely untrue. Right, So it's important to see

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Speaker 4: people with disabilities and roles of power. You know, art

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Speaker 4: reflects life, So we want to see people with disabilities

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Speaker 4: playing doctors, lawyers, you know, want to see them winning

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Speaker 4: awards for their performances, et cetera. So we kind of

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Speaker 4: change this negative perception that the disabled community is not

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Speaker 4: capable because it's just not true. And what we do

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Speaker 4: right now as a culture is approach the disabled community

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Speaker 4: with a deficit base focus and with epic we flip

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Speaker 4: that and we focus with a strength base. We always

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Speaker 4: assume competence and assumer artists are capable, competent experts at

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Speaker 4: their talent and their craft, and we want to elevate

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Speaker 4: them in that light. And that's why I think it

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Speaker 4: is important for the larger community to see what the

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Speaker 2: And I think that gets to the play that you're

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Speaker 2: presenting soon. So let's talk a little bit about bumbum

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Speaker 2: or this varce has autism. It's written by Dave Osmundson.

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Speaker 2: Before we talk to Dave, how did you get connected?

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Speaker 4: Oh gosh, well, Dan, I got connected a long time

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Speaker 4: ago through a different theater company called ste and we

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Speaker 4: worked together doing some device shows. Our companies work together,

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Speaker 4: and then we loved working with Dave and recognized that

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Speaker 4: he's a brilliant playwright. So he came on as an

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Speaker 4: Epic teaching artist and guest teacher helping our players, who

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Speaker 4: many of whom are aspiring playwrights. Really hone the aircraft

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Speaker 4: for our festivals. So when we have so many neurodivergent

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Speaker 4: pathway for that at Epic. So we have we accept

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Speaker 4: and Dave's submitted and we overwhelmingly loved this play, and

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Speaker 4: so we're really proud that it's our first real original

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Speaker 2: Bumbum or This Varce has Autism by award winning playwright

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Speaker 2: Dave Osmondson, is December fourth to fourteenth at Here Arts

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Speaker 2: PLAYERSNYC dot org. Dave Osmondson is an autistic playwright and

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Speaker 2: New Play Network, MFA Playwrights Workshop, the Great Plains Theater Conference,

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Speaker 2: Purple Crayon Players, and many others. His Playlights, which received

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Speaker 2: which is also a theater company of neurodiverse theater artists.

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Speaker 2: Aubreytherian is the executive artistic director of Epic Players, dedicated

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Speaker 2: to creating neurodiverse opportunities and communities through the arts. She

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Speaker 2: has been an actress regionally and in New York for

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Speaker 2: University and an MPH from New York University to get

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Speaker 2: connected on one O six point seven light FM Imina

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Speaker 2: del Rio And now let's talk about the play. Dave,

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Speaker 2: congrats on having your play produced by epic players. So

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Speaker 2: Bumbum or this farce has autism? What is it about?

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Speaker 3: So Bumbum is about a trio of autistic performers who

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Speaker 3: an organization that supports autistic folks in the performing arts.

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Speaker 3: If you are sensing some similarities to epic players, I

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Speaker 3: Let me just say for the record, this play is

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Speaker 3: not based on epic players. I'm gonna say that for

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Speaker 3: the record now. But in Bumbum, however, we have Lisa

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Speaker 3: what I mean. And Jason just believes that people should

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Speaker 2: I would assume this was inspired by something real out there,

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Speaker 2: or some pattern of thing perhaps you've seen. Can you

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Speaker 3: Sure? Well, I remember watching the video of Katie Perry

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Speaker 3: Katy Perry just gave this look like I'm a savior.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't know why. I don't know why. I

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Speaker 3: just found that. I just found that so funny. Like one,

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Speaker 3: I think one element of my disability is when if

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Speaker 3: was just something so funny about that savior complex becoming

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Speaker 3: on backstage? Like, do those autistic performers really want to

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Speaker 3: perform these acts that they are doing on national TV? Probably?

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Speaker 3: But what about the ones who don't? And it also

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Speaker 3: dovetails with my exploration in my work of the right

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Speaker 3: never comedically, and I wanted to see what that would

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Speaker 3: look like in a comedy while also working at the

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Speaker 2: There's something about it being a comedy. I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: People might be more drawn to the comedy in a

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Speaker 2: there's so many descriptions and presentations of people who are

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Speaker 2: very like precious as you just described, what kind of

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Speaker 2: I mean, this kind of your play here represents a

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Speaker 3: Boy, you know, I would love to see more stories

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Speaker 3: of living their day to day lives more, I guess,

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Speaker 3: more slice of life, more mundane stories that don't go

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Speaker 3: vantage point of what it's like to live that day

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Speaker 3: that perfect middle ground of I'm just living my life.

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Speaker 2: Not all of your scripts are related to autism or

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Speaker 2: neurodiversity or disability, and you've worked with all kinds of

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Speaker 2: Does it feel like there's a difference in how your

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Speaker 3: I love that question, and it's interesting because in a way,

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Speaker 3: So in a lot of ways, we are both kind

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Speaker 3: far it's honestly been great because working with people who

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Speaker 3: where you're coming from in terms of how neurodivergent folks

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Speaker 3: ableism but also uplift neurodivergent folks. Has been really really great,

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Speaker 3: And I mean I've been developing a relationship with Epic

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Speaker 2: So, what would you want people to take away from

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Speaker 3: That autistic people are not mysterious or strange or are puzzles.

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Speaker 3: They just they're human beings. They experience and approach the

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Speaker 3: they don't necessarily make sense to you. You know, I

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Speaker 3: that we all have to work to work towards, I think,

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Speaker 2: And A'll Brak would ask the same question of you. So,

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Speaker 2: bumbum Or this Farce has Autism is on stage December

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Speaker 2: fourth to fourteenth. What would do you hope that audiences

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Speaker 4: We're really leaning into the meta of it all. No,

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Speaker 4: I know, Dave said it's not about epic. However, the

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Speaker 4: show does center and a nonprofit arts organization that elevates

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Speaker 4: the artists with a character very similar to me that

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Speaker 4: I'm trying not to take offense to, but David's so,

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Speaker 4: I really hope it turns a mirror to our audience

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Speaker 4: members who are coming to see kind of how ridiculous

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Speaker 4: it is to infantilize this community and maybe think again

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Speaker 4: on your kind of assumptions when you're meeting somebody with autism,

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Speaker 4: So that is what I'm hoping, and I also hope

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Speaker 4: it makes people a little uncomfortable. There's there's moments where

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Speaker 4: I hope that makes people uncomfortable. And then the people

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Speaker 4: question why that makes them uncomfortable? Why are they uncomfortable

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Speaker 2: The play is December fourth to fourteenth. Aubrey has just

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Speaker 2: expressed it's not a play for kids, so you should

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Speaker 2: probably also know that too, And what would you what

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Speaker 2: would you also like audiences to know just about Epic

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Speaker 2: Players And how can someone support the company.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Epic is a nonprofit. We do not charge at

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Speaker 4: pay them more so we survive on donations and individual donations, institutions, government.

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Speaker 4: So if this is something that you want to be

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Speaker 4: we'd love to have you a part of it. And

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Speaker 4: you can just go to our website www dot Epic Players,

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Speaker 4: ANDYC dot org to donate or to buy a ticket

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Speaker 4: for the show.

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Speaker 2: The show again, I'll mention it one more time because

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Speaker 2: it sounds great. Bumbum or this farce has autism by

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Speaker 2: Dave Osmondson December fourth to fourteenth, Coming up very soon

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Speaker 2: at Here Arts Center in Downtown and Lower Manhattan. Epic

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Speaker 2: Players NYC dot org for more details. Dave Osmondson and Aubreytherian,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being going to get connected.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Nina, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Nina. I really appreciate this.

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