1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:00,240 Speaker 1: An. 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: I can remember vividly the day that I was attending, 3 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: and it's been a while in Minnesota Twins day game, 4 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: and among the individuals I ended up chatting with and 5 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: spending some time with was Flip Saunders. And the occasion 6 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: was the draft was approaching and the Wolves were debating 7 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: who to pick number one overall, and at the time 8 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: a lot of the experts thought it would come down to. 9 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: Two big men. 10 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: I remember Karl Anthony Towns was one, who was the 11 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: other Okifer, And my recollection of that conversation was, and 12 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 2: I don't know if he had either of them with 13 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: him on that day, I don't recall or had just 14 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 2: visited with either of them, but what I remember about 15 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: that day was he pretty much said they were all 16 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: but decided on what they were going to do, and 17 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: ultimately the answer was Karl Anthony Towns, And by the way. 18 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: Would have been a disaster. 19 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: That we might to this date not understand the repercussions 20 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: of if they would have taken Jillel Okaffer, who I 21 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 2: loved as a college player, title in two. It was 22 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: the classic case of you got to project what he's 23 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: going to be at the pro level, and the answer 24 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: was okafer was limited. I didn't even know how long 25 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: you played, but he certainly had a very undistinguished professional career. 26 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 2: I don't even recall who took him and how low 27 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: he and how far he ended up sliding. You can 28 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 2: double check from the he was drafted third by the Sixers. 29 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: Third by this number three. Yeah, and he didn't nothing happened, 30 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: did it? 31 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: No? 32 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: He played until about twenty twenty one. 33 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: What was the most points he ever averaged in the 34 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 2: National Basketball Association. 35 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 3: His rookie year, he averaged seventeen and a half respectable. 36 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: That dropped to eleven oo, then five the next year. 37 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 3: He ends up with the Nets for a year, two 38 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 3: years with the Pelicans, a little bit with the Pistons, 39 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 3: and then he played one game for the Pacers a 40 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 3: couple of years ago. 41 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: I bring all this up because I think our old buddy, 42 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns deserves a hug. 43 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: I really do. 44 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 4: He is. 45 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: Un siege in New York. He is under siege from 46 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: Shaquille O'Neil. Every time something goes wrong for the relatively 47 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: speaking struggling Knicks, he gets blamed for it. And I'm 48 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: here to stand tall for Karl Anthony Towns. I'm looking 49 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: at his stats. Came into the league then his first 50 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: year was twenty fifteen sixteen, correct, Yes, so that's one, two, three, four, 51 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: five six. How many years is this now? Eleven? This 52 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: is eleventh year I think in the league. So he's 53 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: been around. That's double digits. And this year, allegedly as 54 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 2: the second best player on a contending team, he is 55 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: averaging the fewest shots of his entire career, thirteen point 56 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: nine shots a game. His rookie year he averaged fourteen 57 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: point one. After that, it went eighteen fourteen, seventeen, eighteen, 58 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: seventeen and a half, sixteen and a half fifteen fifteen, 59 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 2: last year was seventeen under the evil TIBs. This year 60 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 2: he's at fourteen shots a game, and I think he's 61 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: getting way too much of the heat. 62 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: Now. 63 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: The shock comeback is it's on you, man. You got 64 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: to be meaner, you got to be more demanding of 65 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 2: the ball. And maybe that is part of it, because 66 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: we saw it here sometimes where Phil felt like Kat 67 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: got lost and there was this sense of is he 68 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 2: demanding enough of the ball. But I gotta tell you, 69 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: I mean this is a Now. His numbers this year 70 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 2: are down a little bit in terms of shooting. But 71 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: this is a career fifty two point one percent shooter, 72 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 2: a career forty percent shooter from three seven feet, a 73 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 2: career eighty four percent shooter from the free throw line, 74 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: a career eleven point one rebound guy. Three assists for 75 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: his career, he's averaging twenty three points twenty two point eight. So, 76 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what happens from here. I mean, 77 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: I know we can't get him back, at least not 78 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: right now because we're past the trade deadline. But I'm 79 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: confused about what has happened to him and why the 80 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: head coach, and I'll give you another name, the point guard, 81 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: does not do a better job making sure that Karl 82 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 2: Anthony Towns gets his fair share of the offense. 83 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we all get it. 84 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 2: Brunson, Jalen Brunston's is a is a ridiculous score, right, 85 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: we all get all of that, given his size, how 86 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: little he is, his resourcefulness, But I I don't understand 87 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: why there's not a willingness on his part to say 88 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get this guy. I'm gonna get my guy 89 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 2: the ball. I'm just gonna insist on it. Because if 90 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: you have the ball in your hands as much as 91 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 2: he does as a point guard, don't you have some 92 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: opportunity and responsibility to do exactly that a lot. It's 93 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 2: it's amazing to me, how you know, Like and somebody 94 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: just texted this. You know, Luca gets ripped as a 95 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: guy who dominates the ball too much. As talented as 96 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 2: he is, as skilled as he is, Brunson does the 97 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: same thing he does constantly, and because he's such a 98 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: good scorer, I guess he gets away with it. 99 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: And they had a good year last year. 100 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: They got some help from injury from some other teams, 101 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: but they they made a nice run. But I feel 102 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: for our guy Kat who got ripped here too much. 103 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: I think you and I used to talk about that, 104 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: and I don't want to again let. 105 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: Him off the coat hook completely because Barkley said it. 106 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: Maybe he's too nice a guy. Maybe that's part of 107 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: the any that Barkley was trying to defend him with 108 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: Shack to say, you are what you are, especially eleven 109 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: years in eleven years in exactly right, if that's your personality, 110 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: that's kind of what you and Shacks come back I 111 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: get is that's not good enough. Because you're so talented, 112 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: there's got to be more to it. But I think 113 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: that's letting the coach off the hook too much and 114 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: letting the point guard off the hook too much. Because 115 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Tallenges is a Now again, he's not a 116 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: great defender. We know all that, but that's all the 117 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: more reason. If you're gonna have him on the court, 118 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 2: you got to get him the ball. 119 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 3: You'd think Brunson would want him to have the ball. 120 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 3: You think his teammates would want him to have the ball. 121 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: Given the numbers that you just laid out, he can 122 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: make thirty five points look so easy sometimes. 123 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: No question. 124 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: Three point shooting, yes, and I know everybody wanted him 125 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: to post up more correct. 126 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: He did that from time to time. 127 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: But with how easily he gets the ball through the 128 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: hoop at times, it doesn't make sense to me that 129 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: you wouldn't feature him. 130 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: Well, I think there's every If they implode in the playoffs, 131 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: then he's gone, and maybe they'll be the team that says, 132 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna go ahead, and we're gonna try 133 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: to get our chips in to get Giannis. Yeah, and 134 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: then he ends up back in the Midwest and by 135 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: the way would it be now, how quickly the expansion 136 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: team's coming in. We're not going to move to the 137 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 2: East next year, No, I don't think so. I think 138 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: it's going to take a minute or two, might be 139 00:08:52,040 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 2: a little bit. Yeah, exactly right. All the while, do 140 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: is win Finchy took one on the chin keeping Guardgie 141 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: out of the Hall of Fame is a sin? Wolves 142 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: in five, By the way, I looked at like all 143 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: the years of the high school League Hall of Fame. Yeah, 144 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: my initial reaction was correct, there's no way I should 145 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: be in that way. 146 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: Why I don't know that. I mean, there's some huge 147 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: names in there. 148 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: Well in what way? Well, like Joe Mauer's in there, 149 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 2: of course. How many state titles did did he win? 150 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 3: He didn't, but he was the player of the year 151 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 3: in two sports in high school? 152 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: Okay, well, yeah, I'm not saying I don't, but I 153 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 2: don't think that that should make a first battle to 154 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 2: eliminate you. 155 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 4: You're not. 156 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, Chris Wank, You're not first ballot. But 157 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: none of it has to be. None of what they 158 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: did after should matter. I agree with that. That's irrelevant. Yeah, 159 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: it should be. It's not gonna be with way too 160 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 2: many people. Ye, look what he went on to went 161 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: on to be. You know that that's not it's what 162 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: what what happened in high school? 163 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 3: Darryl Thompson, he was a great player, great football player, obviously, 164 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 3: Chrissy Wendell. It's basically started girls hockey here, exactly right, Yeah, 165 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: a lot. 166 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: Of good coaches. 167 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 3: You think I could put my sophomore basketball coaching record 168 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 3: and my three years as beniled varsity tennis coach in there. 169 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: We want a couple of conference titles. It's part of 170 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: the records. Is it on the resume? 171 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: It is? Yeah, if I had a resume, it would 172 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: be on it. Ben Gasling in fifteen men, all right, 173 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: I need some help. I'll try to provide it. It's 174 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: just me here. 175 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 2: I I'm looking at. 176 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: A couple of headlines here. This is a story out 177 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: of the Wall Street Journal. 178 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 2: Iran's atomic program hasn't advanced significantly since the US and 179 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 2: Israel struck its three main nuclear sites last June, according 180 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 2: to experts and diplomats. The appraisal, widely accepted by officials 181 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 2: and researchers who study Iran's nuclear activities, comes as US 182 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: and Iranian officials prepared to hold talks on Thursday, that, 183 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: of course, is yesterday they could determine whether President Trump 184 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: orders military action against the country. So here's a quote 185 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: from David Albright, a former YOU and weapons and inspector, 186 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 2: viewing the satellite imagery and monitoring the Iranian nuclear sites. 187 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 2: We don't see any evidence that they are trying to 188 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: reconstitute their nuclear weapons program. They are essentially on hold. Now, 189 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: how do we square that with the comment from Steve Whitkoff, 190 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: described as the us IS chief negotiated with Iran, that 191 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,479 Speaker 2: Iran has quote probably a week away from having industrial 192 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 2: grade bomb industrial grade bomb making material. 193 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: Because I could have sworn. 194 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: We either played sound or I quoted from the president 195 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: after we bombed those sites not that long ago, and 196 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: didn't he say totally wiped out. In fact, we wiped 197 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: them out much worse than we even predicted we were 198 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: going to wipe them out. All of their nuclear capabilities 199 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 2: are destroyed and they are gone. 200 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: For a long, long, long, long time. 201 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 2: We couldn't have done a better job, not just discouraging them, 202 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: but eliminating the nuclear threat. And there were people at 203 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 2: the time who said, well not so fast. My friend 204 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 2: Are we sure about that? And they said, yeah, we are, 205 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: We're one hundred percent sure. But wet we have access 206 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: to intel that you don't. So something's not adding up here. 207 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 2: Either he was making it up then or they're making 208 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 2: it up now. And I'm no friend of Iran. We've had, 209 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 2: you know, several guests over the years talking about the 210 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 2: nature of that theocratic regime. It is evil, and we 211 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: have stories that have been unable to be substantiated about 212 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: the possibility that thousands and thousands of protesters were taken 213 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: out like killed, when we had all those signs of 214 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: what was going on in the streets of Iran, back 215 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 2: when the President said, you know, help is on the way. 216 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 2: So this isn't about saying nothing should be done. I 217 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 2: don't think, you know. Once again, the President has done 218 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 2: a particularly effective job of stating the case. Maybe that's 219 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: the plan once we attack, which could be over the weekend, 220 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: by the way, But this is an example of what 221 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: why people are skeptical at best of so much that 222 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: comes out of the mouths of the people in this administration, 223 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: starting with the president. He said it was like the 224 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: greatest operation military operation in history. 225 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 3: You have the quote in a speech in the hours 226 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: after they took place. The attacks, Trump called the strikes 227 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 3: he directed, quote a spectacular military success end quote, and 228 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 3: said Iran's key enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated. 229 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: So again, now we're we're and I don't we don't know. 230 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: Is this supposed to be about regime change? Is this 231 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 2: about something else? Is there something that we're going to learn? 232 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 2: I just I'll need some kind of explanation for because 233 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 2: doesn't this in effect, say you guys, you guys were 234 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 2: patting yourselves in the back a little bit too heavily 235 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: back then if in case here we if it's true 236 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: that we're now in a position where we've held we 237 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: have we got or military hardware and and and ships 238 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 2: and missiles prepared in that direction than we ever have 239 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: I think or in a long time. 240 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: So I'll need some an explanation on that. 241 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: Locally, Do you remember our judge US District Chief Judge 242 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: Patrick Schiltz, Yeah, who was very demonstrative in his criticism 243 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: with the US Attorney's Office and with the belief that 244 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: the ball had been dropped on a number of significant cases. 245 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: And I had to remind people who pushed back who said, well, 246 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: you know, these judges are these activist judges. This is 247 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: a judge who was appointed by W. W. 248 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: George W. Bush. 249 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: And so basically what happened is she'll hammers now the 250 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: Minnesota's US attorney, Daniel Rosen on these immigration cases. And 251 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: Rosen responds very angrily and basically says, let me see 252 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: if I can find the lawyers in my civil division 253 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: didn't deserve it. This is about the previous Schultz order. 254 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: He was very demonstrative in that regard. Well, the judge 255 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: is back again, doubling down. He's going after the allegations 256 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 2: from Rosen that the judge overstated the number of court 257 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: violations that Rosen's attorneys have made in immigration cases. Originally, 258 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: Schiltz said that he found ninety six violations among seventy 259 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: four immigration cases since the Trump administration deployed federal agents 260 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: to Minnesota. Well, now he adds, he's found one hundred 261 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 2: and thirteen added orders involving in which ice violated in 262 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: seventy seven more cases beyond the other cases he mentioned. 263 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: I actually I think originally was ninety seven orders in 264 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 2: sixty six cases. Now he says, well, not only do 265 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 2: I disagree with you. I've found a bunch more, and 266 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: I don't know if there's been a response to the response. 267 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm not exactly sure. 268 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 2: The judges of this district, says Rights Schiltz have been 269 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 2: extraordinarily patient with the government attorneys, recognizing that they've been 270 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 2: put in an impossible position by Rosen and his superiors 271 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: in the Department of Justice, and Schiltz had noted in 272 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: his previous order acknowledged the struggle for civil attorneys and 273 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: that the case load has been part of the issue. Quote, 274 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 2: what those attorneys didn't deserve was the administration sending three 275 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 2: thousand ice agents to Minnesota to detain people without making 276 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 2: any provision for handling the hundreds of lawsuits that were 277 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: to follow, or we're sure to follow, he says. 278 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: So that gets back to what we said. 279 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: Even if you are one hundred percent in favor of 280 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: this searge, get everybody, by God, that was the mandate. 281 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: Do it. What you, as a writer should be disappointed 282 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: or angry about is, as we've talked about it a 283 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 2: couple of times. Clearly, the infrastructure to handle this many 284 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 2: cases was not in place, which does what it takes 285 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 2: away from your best chance to reach your quotas. So 286 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: I thought that was interesting. So the battle is ongoing, 287 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 2: and I'm told by people who know that the shiltz admonitions, 288 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: these don't happen every day. And again this comes from 289 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 2: a judge, a highly qualified judge with a great reputation, 290 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 2: who was appointed by W. Bush, not by a far 291 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 2: you know, not by Joe Biden, not by a not 292 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: you know, a hardcore lefty politician or former president. 293 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: This is by W for whatever that's worth. 294 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 2: Uh, bottom of the hour break and we've got Ben 295 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 2: gestling to talk about what has become amazingly again even today, 296 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 2: the number one talker all week in Indianapolis, Indiana. And 297 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 2: now beyond right it's it's they're going to do with 298 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: the quarterback position? What's the future of JJ McCarthy. Maybe 299 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: he can explain exactly why the entire league seems so 300 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: fascinated and captivated by this story. Does that just mean 301 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: there aren't another enough other good ones? Or does that 302 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: mean they know something is up? Where might this be going? 303 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: If you have questions for Ben Bradshaw on Brian Caffee 304 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 2: and text line six for six eight six. In fact, 305 00:19:50,920 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 2: some questions for Ben already coming in sty. 306 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: Questions for Ben Gesling. 307 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 2: He joins US now via the Connecticut Water Systems hotline 308 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 2: six four six eighty six is, of course, as always 309 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 2: the U Breccia and Bryant kf An text line. So 310 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: you are you've survived another Indianapolis combine? 311 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: Is that correct? 312 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: I have? 313 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 4: I uh, I think this was like tenth one down there. 314 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 4: You lose track when you're in a world class cosmopolitan 315 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 4: hub for exact events, nightlife business like Indianapolis. But yeah, 316 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 4: I believe this was the tenth one one this week. 317 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 4: So always always a fun week and uh yeah, you 318 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 4: don't sleep a ton, but it's it's always useful to 319 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 4: go down there and just kind of connect with people 320 00:20:58,800 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 4: and hear what's going on. 321 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 2: Well, it's a night life in Indy, Downtown Indy. Is 322 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: there's no chance that you're gonna sleep a lot. You're 323 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: gonna go out and you're gonna seize the day, right, 324 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 2: I mean, you know you're gonna do it responsibly, but 325 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 2: you're gonna do it. I think everybody understands that. What 326 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: would you say if anything has changed the biggest change 327 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 2: that you have observed in sort of the way the 328 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: combine does its business, or maybe the way the media 329 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: does its business. 330 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: Over the course of that ten year span, you say 331 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: you've been going. 332 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would say it has. I mean 333 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 4: there's subtle changes about, you know, kind of where we're 334 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 4: set up. It used to be that you would do 335 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 4: everything right in the stadium, and the media room was 336 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 4: almost like a like an airport where everybody was laid 337 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 4: over and trying to find a place to work. And 338 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 4: now they've got most of the media enough in the 339 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 4: convention center, so you have more space to work, but 340 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 4: it's a lot more you're further away from the action, 341 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 4: which is, you know, kind of generally how these things go. 342 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 4: Where you're you're probably not given quite as up close 343 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 4: of a look at as you used to get, So, 344 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 4: I mean that's been a change. But yeah, the general 345 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 4: approach of it is you spend a lot of time 346 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 4: walking in the Indiana Convention Center, trying to see people 347 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 4: who are popping in and out of meetings, the bars 348 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 4: in the State House, and obviously everybody kind of knows 349 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 4: about in Indianapolis, and so you're a lot of the 350 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 4: work is the official stuffice during the day, and then 351 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 4: a lot of where you have conversations with people and 352 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 4: can catch up and hear what's going on. A lot 353 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 4: of that happens probably after eleven o'clock at night or so, 354 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 4: so that part of it hasn't changed a lot. It's 355 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 4: just more probably what the daytime, the official part of 356 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 4: it that the NFL can control looks like, and then 357 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 4: the rest of it is kind of up to you. 358 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 2: So it's been pretty much the same for the last 359 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 2: couple of days. Every time either Guardsie and I look 360 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 2: up at one of the screens, we see another panel 361 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 2: on sometimes a four letter network, sometimes a three letter network, 362 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: debating the future of JJ McCarthy with the Minnesota Vikings. 363 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: I feel like it became one of the dominant stories 364 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: this week nationally. 365 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: Is do we have a theory on why that is? 366 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: Is that there weren't enough other good ones and you 367 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: just got to keep eating away at the one where 368 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: you might get some traction, or why has this become 369 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: such a fascinating story not just here but around the country. 370 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, it certainly had a lot of fodder. I think 371 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 4: there's probably the backdrop of Sam Darnold into all of this. 372 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,360 Speaker 4: I think you're talking about a quarterback and JJ McCarthy. 373 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 4: Obviously that was in the spotlight at Michigan. People remember 374 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 4: him from Michigan. People saw, you know, the Vikings take 375 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 4: a chance on him last year and try to bet 376 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 4: on him being able to go right away with the 377 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 4: veteran team, and people know that hasn't worked out. But 378 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 4: it's probably not the only starting job. It's really not 379 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 4: can be the only sort job that is in question 380 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 4: for twenty twenty six. So yes, the degree of fascination 381 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 4: with it is pretty high. And it was funny the 382 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 4: number of people I would talk to this week. The 383 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 4: first topic of conversation was very rarely the fact that 384 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 4: the Biking's gonna have a general manager. It was what's 385 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 4: going to happen at quarterback? Where people are asking you 386 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 4: that question or you're talking with people and that the 387 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 4: conversation just kind of inevitably goes to that. I was 388 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 4: talking with one coach this week that we were talking 389 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 4: about the quarterback stuff and and he kind of jokes, oh, yeah, 390 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 4: I forgot we stopped to hire a GM, which is 391 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 4: probably a testament to how much McCarthy and that question 392 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 4: is dominating things. How important is that they get it right? 393 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 4: And I suppose also just the stability that Robertzenski has 394 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 4: brought to the equation where it's like, okay, we were 395 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 4: able to fill it. You're right, It's been all over TV. 396 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 4: It's been a lot of conversations about it this week 397 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 4: that I had got steered towards that. So, yeah, the 398 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 4: level of fascination with it is quite high, and there's 399 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 4: no doubt about that. 400 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: Let me give you a name. 401 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: That came up yesterday late in the show. I don't 402 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: remember who reported this, one of the national media jackals 403 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 2: did that Anthony Richardson was going to request a trade 404 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 2: from the Colts and that. 405 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: There might be some. 406 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 2: Mutual interest between him and the Vikings because of some 407 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: prior connections or interest in Richardson back when he was 408 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 2: first drafted, and a couple of viral photos we've seen 409 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: of the head coach hugging Richardson after a game. I said, 410 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 2: I'm curious to get your view on this, because what 411 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: I said is regardless of how much or how fascinated 412 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 2: or intrigued KOC might be about Richardson, as long as 413 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy is also here, I didn't think he wants 414 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: two guys who are all about projecting right and all 415 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: about maybe somewhere down the road figuring out that that 416 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 2: to me just didn't just didn't make a lot of sense. 417 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 4: But what do you think, Well, it's interesting because they 418 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 4: certainly had a lot of intrigue with Anthony Richardson in 419 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 4: that draft, to the point where I remember hearing from 420 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 4: people at the time that they were thinking about the 421 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 4: possibility of moving up for him if they liked three 422 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 4: quarterbacks in that draft. Obviously, the first three that went 423 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 4: in the first four picks were the ones that they 424 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 4: thought were legitimately worth spending time on. It was Pryce Young, 425 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 4: it was CJ. Stroud, it was Anthony Richardson, and Richardson 426 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 4: went so quick. Yeah, it wasn't really possible that they 427 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 4: at the time. I think they were intrigued by the talent. 428 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 4: They understood that if you're going to draft him, your 429 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 4: offense has to change the way you play. There were thing, 430 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 4: I think, questions about is he the type of leader 431 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 4: that changes the entire makeup of the room. I mean 432 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 4: that was I remember hearing that question at the time, 433 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 4: and I think some of those things have come up 434 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 4: in Indianapolis too. But yeah, they certainly were fascinated with 435 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 4: what he can do in the athletic ability he brings. 436 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 4: He had a great work out of the combine, and 437 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 4: I remember Kevin O'Connell Pacy A Delplamenta watching very intently, 438 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 4: so there's certainly an awareness of the upside. And that 439 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 4: was that passage. And I think they had after the 440 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 4: Sunday night game in twenty four regards and had just 441 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 4: gotten benched, and I think o'connall pull them aside of 442 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 4: basically say hey man, you're still a I think he 443 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 4: said you're still a bad dude, and you're gonna play 444 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 4: a long time in the league. So he was trying 445 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 4: to encourage him there and that obviously got a lot 446 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 4: of attention. So some of these things come back because 447 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 4: of that. But the tricky part of the FED is 448 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 4: what you mentioned that he is a project, and they 449 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 4: already have a guy that I think is safe to 450 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 4: classify as a project that's exactly how much seasoning JJ 451 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 4: McCarthy still needs. So it may not be the right 452 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 4: timing for it to happen. Maybe they still look at it, 453 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 4: and it'll depend on how much of the cost to 454 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 4: get him. But I don't think you go into twenty 455 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 4: twenty six and say they get him they get McCarthey, 456 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 4: he made the best man win. I think they need somebody, 457 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 4: and I think they know they need somebody with more polished, 458 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 4: with more stability than that. I mean, if you bring 459 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 4: him in as kind of a let's take a flyer 460 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 4: on him and see what happens. If it's cheap enough 461 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 4: to do it, that's one thing. I don't think that 462 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 4: could be the only solution. No, I would be very 463 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 4: surprised if it goes that way. 464 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 2: I would too, Like I said, I if McCarthy wasn't here, 465 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 2: you know what he seems to represent at this point, 466 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 2: then yeah, I could see, all right, we want one 467 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 2: person we down the road. If we work with him, 468 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 2: we think he could be really good. But you don't 469 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 2: want two projects at various levels. I don't believe what 470 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 2: you know. One other interesting nugget to me regarding McCarthy 471 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 2: is how much value Because there are some people who've 472 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: said and even written, you know, let's not forget that 473 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: McCarthy finished much better than he started the season. Obviously 474 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: got hurt again, but finished much better than he started. 475 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: But my counter to that would be. 476 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: I got to believe that if the Vikings were putting 477 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 2: a great deal of weight in that we wouldn't be 478 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 2: hearing all the things you guys have reported on that 479 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 2: they're in the market for a quarterback that they think 480 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: can actually compete for the job. But it does raise 481 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 2: interesting questions about whether we or they are not giving 482 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: enough weight to how things finished. 483 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: What do you think? 484 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a fair point because he was 485 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 4: better and stil you're Kevin o'powell MC mentioned at that 486 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 4: whole little But I also think they know what the caveat, 487 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 4: that they had done a lot of things to simplify 488 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 4: the offense or streamline it, or whatever word you want 489 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 4: to use. I don't think they like to pray simplify. 490 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 4: But Aaron Jones said, yeah, we had to dump them 491 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 4: of a down. So whether it was that or the 492 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,239 Speaker 4: fact they weren't playing a lot of great defenses, I 493 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 4: think you have to look at and say, this was 494 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 4: a little bit of a snapshot that probably doesn't translate 495 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 4: to an entire NFL season, And the fact that they 496 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 4: have taken all of this into consideration and understand that 497 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 4: there's still gonna be more they have to do with 498 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 4: the position does lend itself to your theory where they 499 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 4: know it's not the Bill n All. You can't do 500 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 4: what I remember Fritz Bielman doing in twenty twelve, where 501 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 4: Christian Ponder has a solid game against the Packers and 502 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 4: Adrian Peterson helps them get to the playoffs with one 503 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 4: hundred and niney nine yards and all we heard that 504 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 4: whole off season was well, if he does what he's 505 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 4: did at the Packers, we're going to be off to 506 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 4: the races and he's gonna be good to go. It's 507 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 4: like that one game or you know, five for McCarthy 508 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 4: extrapolating that out. I don't think they are looking at 509 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 4: it that way, where it's just it's, well, if we 510 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 4: can convince everybody that should be great, then they can, 511 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 4: you know, kind of pedal the narrative that everything's fine. 512 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 4: And I think they are more clear eyed about it 513 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 4: than that. The other piece of it I heard a 514 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 4: lot this week was there's an understanding that you have 515 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 4: a lot of veteran players on this team that want 516 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 4: to win. There are, I think are coaches on this 517 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 4: staff that are thinking about it the same way. If 518 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 4: you're coming back and saying, hey, we're just going to 519 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 4: run it back. He's a year older, he's a year 520 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 4: more experience, everything's going to be fine. I think they 521 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 4: know that that's probably a dishonest, little bit of a 522 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 4: disingenuous way to talk about it with the people in 523 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 4: your own locker room, including Justin Jefferson. I heard a 524 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 4: lot of that this week, that there's a lot of 525 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 4: gratitude for the way he approached it, and he was 526 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 4: thoughtful about it. He admitted there was frustrations at times, 527 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 4: but he saw the big picture. He was not pointing fingers, 528 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 4: he was not throwing out of rooms, and I think 529 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 4: everybody felt great about the leadership he provided through a 530 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 4: tough year in the stability every single year when he 531 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 4: said it in a year seven and he wants to 532 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 4: break records, he wants to win rings. I think there's 533 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 4: an understanding of you have to do right by him 534 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 4: as well. So I think a lot of this comes 535 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 4: into that piece of it with McCarthy, where you can 536 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 4: be encouraged by what you saw towards the end of 537 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 4: the year, but there's a lot of caveats to the 538 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 4: whole picture that I think they are considering, and it's 539 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 4: wise for the rest of us to do as well. 540 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, very true. 541 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 2: Ben Goessling joining us as he usually does every Friday. 542 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: Here in the fan. 543 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 2: Laville is scheduled for about five point thirty this evening. 544 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 2: Let me get to a text that came in early. 545 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: This is from Adam in White bear Lake. When you 546 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: have Ben on Dan, can you ask him what he 547 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 2: thinks the Purple will do at the center position. Will 548 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: they go after one of the free agent centers, look 549 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 2: for one of the draft or will they give Brandell 550 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: a real look at center this offseason? Small sample size 551 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 2: for him, but he looks serviceable to me when he 552 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: filled in last year. 553 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: What do you think? 554 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think with Brandell they saw a 555 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 4: little bit of it this year where he's work on 556 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 4: the pass protection. You certainly saw it last year when 557 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 4: you're playing guard. I think his best role is probably 558 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 4: as a swing lineman, and they have to decide a 559 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 4: little bit if they want to keep him ad I 560 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 4: think it's you know, in a four million dollars range 561 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 4: or something like that, so when they want some alignment, 562 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 4: and I think they value that position quite a bit, 563 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 4: and that may be where he's at it best, but 564 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 4: I don't know that you look at him as the center. 565 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 4: The question then becomes do you have that player on 566 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 4: the roster. I mean, I think Michael Jurgens they've been 567 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 4: optimistic about, but we've seen him struggle enough that I 568 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 4: don't know that they're going to go into twenty twenty 569 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 4: six with him as the guy. Ryan Kelly obviously there's 570 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 4: calf questions. The health questions are even bigger with all 571 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 4: of the concussions. That is he going to want to 572 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 4: play again. I think all of that is going to 573 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 4: plan into discussion with him too. So I wouldn't think 574 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 4: they are looking for a center that's not on the 575 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 4: loss or at the moment, whether that's CRE agency or 576 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 4: the draft. You know, I think CRE agency probably makes 577 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 4: sense if you have a younger quarterback again, because you 578 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 4: want what they hope they would get Ryan Kelly, where 579 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 4: it's a little bit of stability, a guy that can 580 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 4: help set protection, the guy that can kind of lead 581 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 4: the young quarterback through it. So I think you want 582 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 4: a veteran president there, and you know, if you take one, 583 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 4: maybe it's a little more of a developmental pick. But 584 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 4: I think there's certainly a need for that position, and 585 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 4: I would expect that they are going to address it 586 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 4: outside of the current roster at least to some degree 587 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 4: it would be. 588 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,959 Speaker 2: We talked about this GUARDSI and I did on enough 589 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 2: said tonight, it would be so much easier for this club, 590 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 2: for this organization if they just resigned themselves to the 591 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 2: fact that we ain't that good. Let's throw them out there, 592 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 2: throw them out there at ten straight games and just 593 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 2: see where it goes, because it doesn't matter. We'll win 594 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 2: some of those, we might lose some of those, but 595 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 2: we're not going anywhere. But I sense the problem they 596 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 2: have there is they feel like they still have enough 597 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 2: talent and maybe more importantly, the Wolfs I don't think 598 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 2: have ever shown any willingness to sign off on the 599 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 2: notion that we might need a gap year. Yeah. 600 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I think the so the cycle may have 601 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 4: been in has been what you're describing, where there's not 602 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 4: a lot of interest in bottoming out. There's not a 603 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 4: lot of interest in that's whether it's letting people develop 604 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 4: or saying we're going to be not that good. But 605 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 4: the outside of that is you get draft picks out 606 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 4: of it. I don't think there's been a ton of 607 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 4: interest in going about it that way, which has been 608 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 4: you sign Betrim players, you have an expensive proster. You 609 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 4: have to focus a little more on the short term 610 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 4: as a result, and I don't think that is necessarily 611 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 4: going to change. I mean, you know, maybe a new 612 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 4: general manager would come in and have a different way 613 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 4: of going about it. And you know, I think when 614 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 4: Ryan Poles was talking to them about this job, I'm 615 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 4: sure there were discussions about what's your vision and if 616 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 4: he's saying, let's tear it down and make sure that 617 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 4: we can be picking in the top two or three 618 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 4: for a quarterback, I don't think the appetite for that 619 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 4: has typically been there with this group, so I would 620 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 4: be surprised if that change. And then what you get 621 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 4: as a result of that is there's always a level 622 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,399 Speaker 4: of development comes in a cost because it does mean 623 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,800 Speaker 4: you're going to have a harder time winning games sometimes 624 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 4: unless the guide that all's Parker that you're saying. So, yeah, 625 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 4: I do think that's all part of it, and I 626 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 4: think it's a fair question about it. I mean, they 627 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,239 Speaker 4: certainly based that question before. And I remember talking to 628 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 4: Mark Well but the owners made a couple of years 629 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 4: ago and said he didn't subscribe to the theory that 630 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 4: you had to have the bottom out year to come 631 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 4: back up, and I suppose that's true, and that was 632 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 4: the year they ended up playing fourteen games. They were 633 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 4: proven right in that sense. But for sustainable success, I 634 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 4: do think you need young players that are under controllable contracts, 635 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 4: that develop and can contribute while they're still relatively cheap 636 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 4: and still relatively young. And it is harder to get 637 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 4: that nucleus of a roster if you're picking eighteenth than 638 00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 4: it is if you're picking depth or first. So I 639 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 4: mean there is that trade off, and I think everybody 640 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 4: with the Vikings knows that, and that becomes a little 641 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 4: trickier to do. But yeah, there is that push to 642 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 4: the whole thing, there's no question about it. 643 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 2: Well, as a Texter points out too, part of the 644 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 2: sticky wicket isn't just the Wilfs. It might be Koc 645 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 2: because he's had he's got obviously this gaudy, gaudy regular 646 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 2: season record, even though there's been a lot of you know, 647 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 2: sort of inconsistency between you know, not being able to 648 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 2: do it two straight years generally speaking. But then there's 649 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 2: the no playoff victories, what they're coming off last year. 650 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 2: So it's probably hard hint for him too to say, hey, 651 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 2: I'm fine, they're gonna I got years before they're gonna 652 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 2: get on my rear end if things don't go well. 653 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 4: Uh. 654 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: And that may well even enter into the way he thinks. 655 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 2: About the quarterback position, even if in his heart of 656 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 2: hearts he thinks the best thing to do long term 657 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 2: would be to continue to try to suffer and grow 658 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 2: with JJ McCarthy. 659 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 4: The most interesting thing we heard him say that this 660 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 4: week was my thoughts about j J or my feelings 661 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 4: about JJ. A lot of them haven't changed. But the timeline, yes, yeah, 662 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,720 Speaker 4: I think when you hear him say the timeline has changed, 663 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 4: a lot of that is about I'm heading at a 664 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 4: year five my window or let's build this thing from 665 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 4: the ground up, probably as expired. And you know the 666 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 4: old I think Bud Grant told Kevin O'Connell this, you know, 667 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 4: kind of with his dry win, but there's some truth 668 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 4: to it where he said, hey, don't win it too 669 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,879 Speaker 4: fast and because then that's stuff the ceiling or that's 670 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 4: the floor higher when you're going to year two. And 671 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 4: then the Kemn O'Connell of course has that season where 672 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 4: they get out score but they still win the division 673 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 4: and they are they have a whole playoff game. I 674 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 4: mean that that changes entifications pretty quickly. So we probably 675 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,879 Speaker 4: have passed the point where they could say, let's tear 676 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 4: this thing down completely. Let's try to just the bottomount 677 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 4: of a couple of years where we're not very good 678 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 4: accumulated draft picks and then make a wheel run from there. 679 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,359 Speaker 4: I think that would be a tough thing to do 680 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 4: for him that point. And yeah, I think part of 681 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 4: the discussion of the timeline changing is that reality that 682 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 4: you probably do need to put a playoff victory on 683 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 4: your resume sooner than later. I don't know that this. 684 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 4: I'm not going to sit here and say that I 685 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 4: have any indication that this is a make or break year, 686 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,439 Speaker 4: but I think everybody's aware that when you're heading into 687 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 4: this in playoff wins have been tough to come by 688 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 4: for this ownership group in general, not just some Kevin O'Connell, 689 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 4: but with Mike Tammer Braut Cholos Lovely Praise or Mike Tye, 690 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,800 Speaker 4: whoever it's been. There is a little more urgency because 691 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 4: people want playoff success. People want home playoff games, which 692 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 4: means putting divisions, and if you haven't had those things, 693 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 4: it becomes a lot harder to pull back and say, 694 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,480 Speaker 4: let's look at this launch, let's look at this developmentally. 695 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 4: I do think a lot of those dynamics are in play, 696 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 4: and I think Kevin O'Connell's comment about the timeline changing 697 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 4: was kind of a glancing acknowledgement of. 698 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 2: That Viking's quarterback pecking order, according to Dan Orlovsky, in 699 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 2: this order Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins, Kyler Murray. 700 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 1: Your thoughts, hmm, I mean don't. 701 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 4: I don't think I would put it in that order. 702 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 4: I think I understand why he's saying that. Obviously they 703 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 4: had a plotation of Aaron Rodgers last year. Her Cousins 704 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 4: knows the offense, I mean Kyler Murray, there would be 705 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 4: an adaptation that had to happen there. He has not 706 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 4: played in this type of offense very much, although Drew 707 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 4: Pensing probably add more similarities to the Vikings offense when 708 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 4: he was calling or at least according any of the offense. 709 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 4: I remember, yeah, I suppose he was calling place because 710 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 4: John mcannon was the defensive coach. But so he's had 711 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 4: a little taste of that. But Kyler Murray has not 712 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 4: played in the rhythm and timing based offense that eager 713 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell talk about all the time, and it would 714 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 4: be interesting to see the plays he could make on 715 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,320 Speaker 4: extending things and trying to find Justin Jefferson downfield. Certainly, 716 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 4: Yandre Hopkins put a massive numbers with Kyler Murray in Arizona, 717 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 4: so it's interesting. I think I would put that as 718 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 4: a little more of a possibility because he's a little 719 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 4: younger and it's probably a little easier to push him aside, 720 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,920 Speaker 4: so to speak, because it's not four time MVP or 721 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 4: guy that has been in this locker room and has 722 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,919 Speaker 4: thrown more touched up pass Justin Jefferson than anybody else. 723 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 4: There is that piece of this whole thing, as there 724 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 4: was with Sam Donald, where when they signed him initially 725 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 4: he was not Sam Donald that has won twenty eight 726 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 4: games in the last two years and now had the 727 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 4: Super Bowl ring. It was this guy can get us through, 728 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 4: but if he's not good, nobody's gonna clament the fact 729 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 4: that he's not playing. If we want to move back 730 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 4: to McCarthy, So Murray, I think it makes a little 731 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,800 Speaker 4: more sense than those two just because of the optics 732 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 4: of the whole thing. There is reason to connect Rogers 733 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 4: and Cousin to the Vikings because of all of the 734 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,000 Speaker 4: familiarity and all of the equity that certainly Rogers you 735 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 4: know a cousin to a lesser degree, but those guys 736 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 4: have have long careers as hard so if you wanted that, 737 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,120 Speaker 4: there's appeal to it overall. But I think Murray maybe 738 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,400 Speaker 4: makes a little more sense because of the youth, the 739 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 4: relative youth, and the fact that there is not going 740 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 4: to be the same kinds of complications if you felt 741 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 4: like you wanted to go back to McCarthy as or 742 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 4: might be with the other two. 743 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,360 Speaker 2: We had at least the sense when Claesy was in 744 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,160 Speaker 2: charge was the general manager, that he did a lot 745 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,439 Speaker 2: of deferring. He listened a lot to the head coach 746 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 2: and to the defensive coordinator and to a certain degra 747 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,600 Speaker 2: I'm sure this happens in every organization, but the feeling 748 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 2: was that maybe he did it more than his traditional 749 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 2: has Braziinski been in this new role long enough for 750 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 2: you to get a sense on whether it's it's likely 751 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,239 Speaker 2: he goes the same or that now that he's in 752 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 2: charge it, you know, he might be a little bit 753 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 2: more assertive and a little less willing to take that approach. 754 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,399 Speaker 4: What do you think on Brazinski, Yeah, I think there 755 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 4: is it's gonna be probably a little more of the former. 756 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 4: I think he talked a lot this week about the 757 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,719 Speaker 4: importance of people being aligned and people being on the 758 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 4: same page, and I think there was some of the 759 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 4: as you just find out more of some of the 760 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,359 Speaker 4: disconnect with Wacy at times was yeah, he would differ, 761 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 4: but then there's also times where it seemed like he 762 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 4: would kind of do what he wanted and maybe not 763 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 4: everybody was on the same Yeah it so Rob does 764 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 4: if you get into the draft room and people disagree, 765 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,880 Speaker 4: he does kind of have that ability to make the 766 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 4: tie breaking vote or make the final decision, and he 767 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 4: talked about that this week. But I do think there's 768 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 4: a realization that you want to make decisions that scouts 769 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 4: are on board with, that the head coaches on board with, 770 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 4: certainly Bryon Flores, with the role he's played on the 771 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 4: defensive construction that he's on board with. I think Rob 772 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,479 Speaker 4: books it himself is a little more of the point 773 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,800 Speaker 4: guard than the guy who is a little more of 774 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 4: the traditional point guard, the magic stocked type, rather than 775 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,200 Speaker 4: Zeph Curry type. I guess it's probably the analogy I 776 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 4: would use. I think he has more football chops than 777 00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 4: people probably get the credit for. I mean, he's been 778 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 4: the top personnel executive at the top front office executive, 779 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 4: I probably should say, at times during his tenure in Minnesota, 780 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 4: and has been in a whole lot of meetings and 781 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 4: a lot of scouting meetings over more than almost three 782 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,640 Speaker 4: decades with the team. So his football chops are not 783 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 4: those of a typical cap guy. So everybody's thinking that 784 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 4: he's just an accountant, that's not all that he brings 785 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 4: to the table. But he also realizes that there's a 786 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 4: bit of a facilitating role to this whole thing. And 787 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 4: I think it the way it seems is, I don't 788 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 4: think we're headed back to triangle of authority days, but 789 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 4: there's a little bit of that where the head coach 790 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 4: probably has a little bigger voice. Brian Floyd probably has 791 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 4: a little bigger voice, So you know, there's probably going 792 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 4: to be a little more of a group effort on 793 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 4: some of these things that you might see from a 794 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 4: traditional general manager, at. 795 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,919 Speaker 1: Least at this point. Have a wonderful weekend. We'll chat 796 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: to next week. 797 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 4: Thanks Ben, all right, sounds good. Thanks you. Ben. 798 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,080 Speaker 2: Gesling of course covers the Vikings and the national football 799 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,919 Speaker 2: for the Start Tribuni and joins US weekly. Some people 800 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 2: wondered whether Ben was sailing. Others thought he might have 801 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:29,399 Speaker 2: been taking a bath. 802 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: I just think we had a. 803 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 2: Not the greatest signal, but I thought we would try 804 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 2: to muck through it for the value that mister Gesling 805 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 2: gives us each and every week, so I hope you 806 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,279 Speaker 2: could hang on to all of that. Somebody thought maybe 807 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 2: he had Lavelle's cell phone. May that was the most 808 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 2: common joke that was said over. 809 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: And over again. And I don't know that we can 810 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: rule any of those things out. Top five. You don't 811 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 1: want me to pass the ball. You want me to 812 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: shoot it.