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Speaker 3: Hour Bumber to Bumber and Cake Show edition. Guardsian for

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Speaker 3: Barrero today. Alex Lewis will join about thirty minutes from now.

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Speaker 3: A lot of Viking stuff to talk about with him.

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Speaker 3: Pat Kessel will make his weekly Wednesday appearance, and at

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Speaker 3: Pete Nigerian, who was just in with Nordo yesterday, will join.

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Speaker 4: He played for Lou Holtz at the University of Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: As we react to the news that Lou Holtz, the

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Speaker 3: announced today, won the national championship in Notre Dame in

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Speaker 3: Holts name and legacy here. He coached here for two

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Speaker 3: Won the national championship, spent many more years at Notre Dame,

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Speaker 3: and then obviously a long distinguished career on television as well.

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Speaker 3: Pete Nigerian who has tweeted a lot about his coach

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Speaker 3: He's going to join pretty quickly here, probably in the

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to that conversation because I know Pete

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Speaker 3: many of his former players do. I did tease before

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Speaker 3: we got the Lou Holtz news that I had to

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Speaker 3: laugh today because Dan Minnesota, the official unofficial historian of

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Speaker 3: of Calamity, often tweets out on this day remembrances, and

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Speaker 3: with the backdrop, was what happened in Mississippi earlier in

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Speaker 3: the week Brett. The state of Mississippi, the legislature, the

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Speaker 3: House of Representatives, have passed a bill that would exempt

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Speaker 3: nil earnings from state income tax. If you're not familiar

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Speaker 3: basically means money that you can pay players now legally

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Speaker 3: We know about the revenue sharing stuff where now schools

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Speaker 4: You've heard me play that game.

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Speaker 3: If this happen in the state of Minnesota at the

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Speaker 4: The answer is no chance. None. We would never pass it.

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't pass up on taxes.

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Speaker 2: Texas, Well, that's what I'm saying, you'd have to forego

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Speaker 4: What if our cause this is be an advantage. Let's

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Speaker 3: And you know, Florida, Tennessee, and Texas have no state

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Speaker 4: What year would this have been?

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Speaker 4: Believe it or not, you can kill it. I'm not

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Speaker 3: University of Minnesota basketball players Phil Saunders that are known

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Speaker 3: That sounds bad, right, That sounds like it's a big deal,

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Speaker 3: Do I remember the story I just read Mississippi House

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Speaker 3: because we love Flip excessivate, excessivate and there's no more

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Speaker 3: Two years ago, Saunders, a junior from Cleveland, Ohio, was

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Speaker 4: They may as well be professionals, they're going to do that.

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Speaker 3: It's like every coach that's ever been here after that

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Speaker 4: It was just the best.

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Speaker 3: Well, Musselman actually did commit seventy two NCAA violations and

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Speaker 4: But it just cracked me up.

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Speaker 3: That this was a news story on the front page

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Speaker 4: Wow, it's a beautiful thing. But that cracked me up.

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Speaker 3: From Dan Minnesota today, I hope Pete and Jerry in

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Speaker 4: But it's if they do bring him.

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Speaker 3: Would you mind texting him on their production meeting and

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Speaker 4: We're at four twenty four. He's a team player. He's

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, man, I appreciate it. I know you're

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Speaker 3: So how's today hit you?

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Speaker 3: Who have you heard from? Kind of how are you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's It's great to be with you

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Speaker 5: I will say this, there is something specially about Lou.

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Speaker 5: So you know, we I think we all know where

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Speaker 4: So let's start and you correct me on the timelines

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Speaker 5: Correct, Yes, sir, I've been there for three years. Was

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Speaker 3: So what what do you remember about your first impressions

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Speaker 5: Well, it's funny you say that, because you know that

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Speaker 5: He really did. And and I'll give you one great

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Speaker 5: amazing thing. How he was able to just make you

438
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 5: feel like you could run through that wall and it

439
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 5: was really special. And I'll tell you what, I loved

440
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 5: every single game with Coach. He's just an amazing guy

441
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 5: of getting you pumped up like no coach I'd ever seen.

442
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: We're talking with Pete and Jerry in former Gopher played

443
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,479
Speaker 3: for Lou Holtz here at the U.

444
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 4: Lou Holtz died at eighty nine.

445
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,640
Speaker 3: His family announced today a couple more minutes with Pete

446
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 3: because he's jumping on a flight. Can you give people,

447
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 3: Pete a sense of how big a deal it was

448
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 3: back then for you guys to go to the Independence

449
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 3: bowlt like, for the for that team to finish seven

450
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 3: and five, the eighty five team. It's not now where

451
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,479
Speaker 3: every you can go to a bowl game if you're

452
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 3: five and seven and get good grades, right like I've

453
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 3: I've been to multiple games that way. And by the way,

454
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 3: I love all bowl games, you know that. But to

455
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 3: do do what you guys did in that short period

456
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 3: of time when there weren't five hundred bowl games, that

457
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,680
Speaker 3: had to be a pretty big deal.

458
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Speaker 5: Well, and for the people who don't remember this, it

459
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,719
Speaker 5: is because I am getting old, man, but uh, you know,

460
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 5: we were one and ten the year that the coaching

461
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 5: staff was changed over to Lou Holtz. And first of all,

462
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 5: he was a guy that any of us who ever

463
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 5: watched The Tonight Show, he was a very you know,

464
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 5: consistent guest for Johnny Carson on the Tonight Show. The

465
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 5: guy was he was that clever, that funny, that wonderful

466
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 5: and energy and everything that he had. And you know,

467
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 5: when we started to get into it the very first year,

468
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 5: we did so much better. Now were we great, No,

469
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 5: we weren't great, but we we definitely turned the corner

470
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 5: from a one to ten team to to winning almost

471
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 5: enough games to get towards being into a Bowl game

472
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 5: at that time. But the second year, when I was

473
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 5: that was just magnificent. I mean, he he structured it

474
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 5: in such a way and he was able to manipulate

475
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 5: the television. Matter of fact, that market because we pretty

476
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 5: much had a game every single week that was being televised,

477
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 5: and it's because it was coach Holtz. And the fact

478
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 5: that we did get to go to a bold game

479
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 5: and get to get an opportunity to play a Clemson

480
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 5: team that was outstanding. You know, he didn't coach that game,

481
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 5: which was unfortunate, but you know, he'd already accepted to

482
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 5: go to Notre Dame and it was just a you know,

483
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 5: it was the the biggest piece of the entire wonderful

484
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,479
Speaker 5: things that he did in his time at Minnesota because

485
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 5: he prepared us and gave us the opportunity to beat

486
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 5: people the way that we did. And I'll tell you what,

487
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 5: it was unbelievable for any of us to ever even

488
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 5: think that we'd be at a bowl game when you

489
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 5: had as bad teams if we had during my early

490
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 5: parts of college. To get to where we were at

491
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 5: the very end was unbelievable.

492
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Speaker 3: That's where I wanted to go next, the end, because

493
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 3: as I talked about, he really has an interesting legacy here.

494
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 4: For a couple of reasons.

495
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,239
Speaker 3: One we all, in my opinion, Pede, he's made us

496
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 3: all paranoid for the rest of our lives. At any

497
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: time a coach has any success, they're leaving right. And

498
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 3: coaches have benefited from that greatly in forms of contract

499
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 3: extensions and buyouts and things like that.

500
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 4: And also the Metrodome.

501
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 3: He was a proponent, if I recall correctly, of playing

502
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: in the Dome, which was obviously not the best decision

503
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 3: for the program long term. They finally got it back

504
00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: on campus. You're there all the time. It's a great

505
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: vibe now, but it took a while. What do you

506
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: remember about the end and were you how where were

507
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 3: you of the quote unquote Notre Dame clause? And obviously

508
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 3: I think people understand why he took it, but that

509
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 3: that's a scar that's still here, as you know for

510
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 3: a lot of Gopher fans.

511
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's too bad that that that scar remains, right,

512
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's unfortunate because I totally I got

513
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 5: to know lou really really well, and we became very

514
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 5: good friends. And it's particularly after he was part of

515
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 5: my life in college and then suddenly he moved off

516
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 5: to Notre Dame You can't blame a coach for that.

517
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 5: I mean that that was his ultimate place to ever

518
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 5: be and he got that opportunity. So I never held

519
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 5: anything negative about coach doing that, and as a matter

520
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 5: of fact, I congratulated him. I also was part of

521
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 5: the conversation with Paul gil the athletic director at the time,

522
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 5: as a captain. He asked me, well, do you think

523
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 5: we should have Lou coach the game? I said, I

524
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 5: think he's the head coach of Notre Dame. Oh he didn't.

525
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 5: He didn't coach the independence ball.

526
00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, And he and I.

527
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 5: Agreed that And it wasn't vindictive, It wasn't anything like that.

528
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 5: But you know, that's I think it was learning from coach.

529
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 5: You know, this is a team and the team has

530
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 5: to be a team, and there's no you know, me

531
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 5: and the team part of it and all the rest

532
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 5: of all. You know, the usual sayings that are out there.

533
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 5: But I'll tell you the guy had such a knack

534
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 5: and people shouldn't have anything negative to think about when

535
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 5: they think about Lou Holtz. He he got people in

536
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 5: a space academically, he got them athletically. You know, he

537
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 5: took a one to ten football team and turned to

538
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 5: soon to a team going to a bowl game. Like

539
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 5: you said, when ball games weren't every single every single

540
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 5: day and you didn't even have to have a winning record.

541
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 5: I mean it was it was really special. And I

542
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 5: can tell you as a part of that team, it

543
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 5: was fun teasing him and talking like him behind his back,

544
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 5: you know, when he would be doing some of his

545
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 5: some of the things he did in front of the

546
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 5: press and in front of the team and all the

547
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 5: rest of it. And you know what, he and I

548
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 5: became great friends for sure when he was at ESPN

549
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 5: and I was at ESPN, had the opportunity to work

550
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 5: together once in a while there. And I'll tell you,

551
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 5: outside of my father, he and coach Osborne, I'll tell

552
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 5: you what, I'm one of the luckiest guys in the

553
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 5: world because I feel like I had three of the

554
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 5: greatest dads ever.

555
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to talk about your relationship after because

556
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: you've you've hinted at it, and you've talked about it,

557
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: and I know, I think I've even seen pictures of

558
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 3: you guys, you know, all your teammates getting together, and

559
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 3: you and I have talked off there. It's one of

560
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 3: my favorite parts of the job as being just adjacent

561
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 3: to all you former Gophers that have had all these moments.

562
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 3: And I know he facetimed into a couple of reunions

563
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 3: here within the last few years. But how did your

564
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 3: relationship change as you became a former player of his

565
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 3: and you know, more of a coworker or whatever you

566
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: want to call it. But how did that relationship change

567
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: in what ways?

568
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 5: Well, you know, when he's the coach, he's truly the

569
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 5: head coach, and he's a guy that you have all

570
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 5: the respect for in the world, and you but there's

571
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 5: certain things that you can't really discuss, and there's certain

572
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 5: things that you don't really broach to to you know,

573
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 5: be involved with or whatever. But I'll tell you what

574
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 5: it was. It was the greatest thing in the world

575
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 5: to see how wonderful the guy was and how much

576
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 5: he would do anything for me without me having to

577
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 5: ask sometimes justin I mean, it was just absolutely amazing

578
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 5: when they when they brought me on to ESPN and

579
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 5: I was working with him on a couple of occasions.

580
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 5: You know, the guy treated me as if I was

581
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 5: a peer, and I wasn't. I still looked up to

582
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 5: him and I always feel like, you know, as a

583
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 5: player and you know, Captain and all the rest of it,

584
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 5: you're still below that head coach. I mean, you love

585
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 5: him to death and you'll do anything, You'll run through

586
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 5: a wall for him and all that. But it's it's

587
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 5: something really special that it became just a friendship. And

588
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 5: you know, like I say, he literally, in a lot

589
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 5: of different ways, was sort of in that position where

590
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 5: you know, he's almost like a second father, which I

591
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 5: never felt like as a player, but it certainly did

592
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 5: transform into something like that later on in life. And

593
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 5: I was lucky enough to when I was down in

594
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 5: Florida to at least have the opportunity to speak with him.

595
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 5: And that goes back about a month ago when we

596
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 5: started finding out that he was in hospice and all

597
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 5: the rest of it. And he just a special guy, man.

598
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 5: I mean, you know what he did with so many players,

599
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 5: and that's what I just I know I brought that

600
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 5: up before, but I'm saying it again because not players

601
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 5: that had to be that were starters that you know,

602
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 5: he kind of owed them, It was anybody and everybody

603
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 5: because he was he was just that special of a

604
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 5: guy and he would do anything for a guy who

605
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 5: might be a fourth string running back from Wisconsin, you know,

606
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 5: some small part of Wisconsin or something, he'd help them

607
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 5: get jobs. And you know, that's that's doing above and beyond,

608
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 5: and it's just amazing. But that's that's who the guy was.

609
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 5: He just an amazing person who was special. I think

610
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 5: to anybody who ever got an opportunity to play for him.

611
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: Share what you want. But what did you talk about

612
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 3: the last time he spoke with them?

613
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 5: You know, it's funny. I actually teased him a little

614
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 5: bit about, you know, because he didn't like when I

615
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 5: imitated him, but I teased him a little bit about

616
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 5: imitating him and how much fun it was to try

617
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,239
Speaker 5: to get get a little bit better with that, you know,

618
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 5: during game days and all those kinds of things, and

619
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 5: you know, we just we literally just talked as if

620
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 5: he was healthy as a horse, and you know, it

621
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 5: was just another meeting, but clearly it wasn't. And you know,

622
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 5: the guy really in so many ways, I think just

623
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 5: what he impressed upon so many people and got them

624
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 5: into the mindset that they can do things that they

625
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 5: probably didn't think that they could do. Just magical because

626
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 5: he you know, he really did care about everybody, and

627
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 5: I think that's my biggest takeaway. And he even while

628
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 5: I was talking to him and going back and forth

629
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 5: with Skip, his son, you know, we brought up other

630
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 5: names and you know, different times in our lives. And

631
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 5: he used to bring me to huge events that he

632
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 5: was a part of where he was a part of

633
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 5: something for Notre Dame, and he'd invited me to come

634
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 5: speak and I would look at him and I'd say, hey, coach,

635
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 5: I know you remember this, but I didn't go to

636
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 5: Notre Day, but he didn't care. He would bring me

637
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 5: along and have me. You know, du talks about how

638
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 5: he influenced me in the direction that I was going

639
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 5: in the past, that I was going on in my

640
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 5: adulthood and all, and just a really really special guy

641
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 5: who wanted the best for everybody.

642
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: I appreciate you jumping on man on short notice. It

643
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: means a lot to me, truly, and sorry for your

644
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: loss for your coach. I'm glad you got to spend

645
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: a little bit of time with him here recently. And

646
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure you're hearing from a lot of former teammates

647
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: and you guys, I'm sure have been talking in the

648
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: last couple of months and sharing all those stories. So

649
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: I wish all you guys the best in peace with

650
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: everything for your coach.

651
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 4: I really appreciate it.

652
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 5: Oh you're a good man justin Thank you so much.

653
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: Man.

654
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 5: I really appreciate that.

655
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Speaker 3: Safe travels all right, Thank you, Pete n Jerry, and

656
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Speaker 3: I really appreciate him jumping on here as he's about

657
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Speaker 3: to hop on a flight. I think back here from

658
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Speaker 3: the West Coast talk about his coach, Lou Holtz passing

659
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Speaker 3: away at eighty nine years old. Appreciate Alex Lewis's patience.

660
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Speaker 3: We will get to him on the other side. We

661
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Speaker 3: will talk Vikings football with him. And don't forget. Pat

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Speaker 3: Kesler makes his weekly Wednesday appearance in the five o'clock Guy.

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Speaker 3: Wild dot Com slash tickets. Welcome back to the fanguards

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Speaker 3: Ian for Barrero. Today Pat Kessler will join in the

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Speaker 3: five o'clock hour. We've got top five at five as well.

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Speaker 3: I opened this segment a little later then intended with

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Speaker 3: Alex Lewis from the Athletic But the thank you Alex

672
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 3: for your patience and flexibility. We just chatted with Pete

673
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: and a Jerry and former Golden Gopher football player who

674
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Speaker 3: played for Lou Holtz who died at eighty nine, as

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Speaker 3: family announced today. So thank you for the flexibility, my friend.

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Speaker 3: And going just a few minutes later, I hope you're

677
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: doing well.

678
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Speaker 1: Yeah no, I Brett told me that Pete was hopping

679
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: on and I saw that news as I was on

680
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: a walk earlier. What a legend Lou Holt was. But yeah, no,

681
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: happy to be here. Seems like some things are going

682
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: on with the Vikings. So whatever I can offer, I'll

683
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Speaker 1: do my best.

684
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Speaker 4: You Yeah, you tell me.

685
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: These are wild times and I kind of came to

686
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: the epiphany here in the last day or so. It's

687
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: amazing to turn on the national scene every morning like

688
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: I do, and all they're talking about is JJ McCarty.

689
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 3: They're talking about the Vikings quarterback. Every quarterback that blows

690
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: his nose now, is is that an option for the Vikings?

691
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: And the most recent is Kyler Murray. So how interested

692
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: do you think they are now that it's the news

693
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 3: is he will be a former Arizona cardinal next week.

694
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 3: And the second part is what does that mean for

695
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: the future of the quarterback position in general?

696
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 4: Take it wherever you want to go.

697
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, So the first answer to the question of how

698
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: interested do I believe the Vikings aren't Kyler Murray, I'd

699
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: say definitely interested. To the second part about the quarterback

700
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: situation as a whole, here's what I'd say. Part of

701
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: the reason the Vikings have been linked to all of

702
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 1: these guys is essentially to prevent what happened last year

703
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: from happening again. What I mean by that is the

704
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: Vikings in twenty twenty five, in the spring of twenty

705
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: twenty five, essentially had their sight set on Daniel Jones,

706
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Speaker 1: thinking that the exposure he had to Kevin O'Connell and

707
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: to this offense and to this organization would lead probably

708
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Speaker 1: to him returning and being the Vikings quarterback. As kind

709
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: of a JJ McCarthy hedge in twenty twenty five, when

710
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones chose Indianapolis, the Vikings didn't have a phenomenal

711
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 1: backup plan. There was conversation then about Joe Flacco that's

712
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: when the Aaron Rodgers topic surfaced. And so this time

713
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: around to ensure that they had Plan A, Plan B,

714
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: Plan C, Plan D, Plan E, so they don't have

715
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Speaker 1: a repeat twenty twenty five. It has behooved them to

716
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Speaker 1: reach out and connect, to connect with the representatives of

717
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Speaker 1: a lot of these quarterbacks, and when you do that,

718
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna have reports surface constantly related to those quarterbacks.

719
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Speaker 5: So that's what i'd say.

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Speaker 1: But the Kyler Murray to circle the back around Kyler Murray,

721
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: and that possibility has been one of the team's primary

722
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: options for weeks now. Part of the reason is because

723
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Speaker 1: he can sign for a deal that is such a

724
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: one point three million dollar deal and we can go

725
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: further there. But that's the most succinct way I knowed

726
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: how to describe kind of the circumstance at which it stands.

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Speaker 4: Why is he available? In your mind Kyler Murray.

728
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question. I think there you know

729
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: some of it is. I think you look at it

730
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: in three buckets. One of them is just a production.

731
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: He is a very specific player and that he is

732
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: a playmaker. I mean playing in rhythm has never been

733
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: his foremost ability. So there's the production bucket. There is

734
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Speaker 1: the personality bucket, and I will say this, I think

735
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the call of duty, the video game narrative.

736
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: I think that in some ways can get tired a

737
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: little bit like the Sam Darnold chasing ghosts or seeing

738
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: ghost comment did years ago. But I do think from

739
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: a personality perspective, Kyler Murray talk to anybody, they'll tell

740
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: you he's a quiet guy. It takes a while to

741
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: earn his trust, I mean, and it's kind of understankable.

742
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: It's one of the only people ever to be drafting

743
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: the top ten in baseball and football. So he is

744
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: an athletic talent that requires I think, really smart thought

745
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: for him to trust and believe. And then there's the

746
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Speaker 1: availability bucket with Kyler, Like that's one of the things

747
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to go under the radar with him

748
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: is that he tours ACL a couple of years ago.

749
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Speaker 1: He had a serious foot injury last year. So the

750
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Speaker 1: idea that you would bring him in and there is

751
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: a guarantee you play seventeen games is a little bit

752
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: of a lofty perspective. But I think those three buckets,

753
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: in the combination of all that would be why Arizona

754
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: is willing to move on at this point.

755
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Speaker 3: And one of your most recent pieces might have been

756
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Speaker 3: your most recent piece at the Athletic we're talking with

757
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 3: Daic Lewis Guards again for Brero. You wrote something that

758
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: really caught my attention and I want to read it

759
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: to the audience that may have missed it and have

760
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: you expand on it a little bit. And it's about

761
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy where you write The Vikings also knew they

762
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 3: were drafting a young player. What they did not envision,

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Speaker 3: especially following an encouraging first training camp that preceded his

764
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 3: torn meniscus, was the challenge posed by some of the

765
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 3: more elemental aspects of being the face of the franchise.

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Speaker 4: What could those possibly be?

767
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: Alec Lewis, that is tantalizing to me and troubling as

768
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Speaker 3: a matter of fact.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean you know this Guards you, But

770
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Speaker 1: I mean I don't write anything without being very I

771
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Speaker 1: would say, you know, air full, thoughtful and empathetic really

772
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Speaker 1: above all else. When I when I, you know, write

773
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Speaker 1: anything but specifically something like that. Part of the point

774
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: that I wanted to make there was you've heard a

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Speaker 1: lot of people I think understandably when they talked about

776
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy say, well, the day that he tore his

777
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Speaker 1: meniscus and Kevin O'Connell announced it to reporters in Cleveland

778
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: at George Practices, he said, Vikings, fans, you can feel

779
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: comfortable and confident that we found our quarterback of the future.

780
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: And so people have latched on to that comment from

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Speaker 1: that time. And part of the hope with writing that

782
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: it would be to say to people that things can

783
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Speaker 1: change between certain times.

784
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 4: So that was part of it.

785
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: And then the the the more elemental aspects of being

786
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Speaker 1: the face of a franchise.

787
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Speaker 5: I mean, it is a position that it's not.

788
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: A leadership position like general manager and head coach, but

789
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: there is an expectation of professionalism in every respect, in

790
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: terms of work habits, in terms of mannerisms. All of

791
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: that stuff factors into the most successful guys at this position.

792
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: And I mean you can look around the league at

793
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen and how there I would say,

794
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: when they surface publicly, it is typically either a byproduct

795
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: of wizardry on the field or or wisdom flash maturity

796
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: off of the field, And those are just two critical

797
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: components if that person is going to lead your entire

798
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: organization from that perch for years and years to come.

799
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Speaker 3: And that surprised me, honestly, because I'm just thinking about

800
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 3: his pedigree, Alec, He's a Michigan guy, he plays for Harbaugh.

801
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 3: He's at least had some council with Tom Brady, you know,

802
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: Like to me, that's like the like that in it

803
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: of itself, like you spend any time around Tom Brady

804
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 3: if you're not like locked in and motivated, Like, how

805
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: surprised were you to have you report on the team.

806
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: So I'm sure you're not, But to an outsider like me,

807
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 4: I was.

808
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 3: I was surprised to hear like that was this is

809
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: the guy who's been groomed to be a quarterback his

810
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: whole life, right from IMG academy to everything that goes

811
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 3: along with it.

812
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: That that really surprised me.

813
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: Did it surprise you as those as these things have

814
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 3: started to come out a little bit?

815
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would say some of this stuff,

816
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: there are certain times in which you feel comfortable reporting

817
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 1: stuff in certain times where you feel like you have

818
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: to do a ton of digging. And I got to

819
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: the point obviously a few days ago and in writing

820
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: that where you know, after I would say more than

821
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: a year of conversations related to the subject, you know,

822
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: I felt comfortable and confident and very convicted in that stuff.

823
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: But there's no question, I mean of some of the

824
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: reporting on this started before the Vikings settled on Sam

825
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: Howell and Carson Wentz last spring, right, So that at

826
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: the time made the Aaron Rodgers conversation more sensible. And

827
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: you're again at the time you're balancing how much how

828
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: how much conviction do you had and reporting certain fastests,

829
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: But there's no question when at first service you're surprised

830
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: because of everything you talked about there guards he like,

831
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: you know, he led Michigan to a national championship. He

832
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: was a front facing figure for as close of a

833
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: college program, I mean as close to professional of a

834
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: college program that exists for a head coach that had

835
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: had had played and coached in the NFL. So yeah,

836
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: it's it's been interesting, an interesting layer, I would say,

837
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: to the odyssey and the journey that has been the

838
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: two years since since the Vikings drafted JAJ.

839
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: The last couple of minutes with Alex Lewis covers of

840
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 3: Vikings for the athletic. He's outstanding, always appreciate when he

841
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 3: jumps on with bumper to bumper. He's an interrupting family

842
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: time speaking of you know down south in football, interrupting

843
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: family time to talk football.

844
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 4: What's going on with Jonathan Green?

845
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: A lot of steam and speculation around him and his

846
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: potential future here.

847
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. So when the Vikings signed Jonathan Garnard in twenty

848
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: twenty four, I mean they paid him pretty handsomely. It

849
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: was like a three or four year deal that I

850
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: believe ran through twenty twenty seven. And at the time,

851
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: again it was a pretty fair deal for both sides,

852
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: and that gonna the Garnard had dealt with some injuries

853
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: prior to twenty twenty four. The Vikings really believed in

854
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: what he could be in Brian Flores's system, and it's

855
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: worked out really well like the last two years. I

856
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: don't need to tell anybody listening.

857
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 5: To k fan this.

858
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: They know full well how talented of a player Jonathan

859
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 1: Gernard is, how much of a voice he's had as

860
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: a leader in the locker room.

861
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 5: But if you look at.

862
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Speaker 1: His contract now, he has owed nineteen million dollars for

863
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six and nineteen million dollars in twenty twenty seven,

864
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Speaker 1: and that would put him around the fifteenth highest paid

865
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: edge rusher in the NFL. It is my understanding that

866
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: that he prefer to be paid more, and the Vikings,

867
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: given their CAx situation and given the fact he's already

868
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: under contract, are I'd say they're trying. You know, they're

869
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: trying to be malleable as valuable as they can, but

870
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: they're trying to be smart in how they operate as well.

871
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: And so Jonathan Garnard is represented by Drew Rosenhouse is

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Drew Rosenhaus will be gauging the NFL to

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Speaker 1: see if there is a team willing to pay premium

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Speaker 1: draft capital and premium money to acquire Jonathan Garnard. I

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Speaker 1: think it's going to be a pretty uphill battle. And

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Speaker 1: if if there is no team willing to pay up,

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Speaker 1: then I mean Minnesota will have a lot of leverage

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Speaker 1: in terms of having Jonathan Garnard under contract and the

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Speaker 1: value that it already exists.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate the flexibility again today, Man, thanks so much

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Speaker 3: for joining me.

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Speaker 4: It's always great to have you on the show.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy family time and we will see you back in

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Speaker 3: the Twin Cities. Probably sooner than you would rather care

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Speaker 3: to admit, right with the draft and Mini camp and

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Speaker 3: free agency and everything that's coming up.

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Speaker 4: But thank you, man.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you always, Guardsy. And yeah, I mean the NFL,

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Speaker 1: these guys, I mean, they don't they don't stop. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they have stilt this thing where it is. It is

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Speaker 1: just phenomenal in terms of their media apparatus. And I

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Speaker 1: give them credit for it, but no appreciate it. It's

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Speaker 1: always fun. Hope everybody up there as well. And I

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Speaker 1: saw forty nine degrees and I'm kind of sad I left.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, we're living the.

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Speaker 3: Dream right now, man, especially with your workout regimen. In

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Speaker 3: the off season, you'd be you know, you'd be wearing

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Speaker 3: a bro tank walking around.

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Speaker 4: Minneapolis right now. That's how you'd be rolling. That's this

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Speaker 4: kind of temperature where you shoulder the shoulders.

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Speaker 1: Are going to be an uphill battle over the next

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Speaker 1: few months with how much computer thirding time I'm gonna do,

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Speaker 1: but you know, you try to try.

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Speaker 5: To get over it.

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Speaker 4: We'll be ready. Thank you, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Gardy.

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Speaker 3: Alec lewis from The Athletic with the latest on Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 3: who apparently we're all in on, and the latest on

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Grenard when we come back, Top five and five,

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Speaker 3: anything you want to tease, Brett Blake.

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Speaker 4: More, the heartbreaking news lou Holtz passing away. We'll get

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Speaker 4: more thoughts on that, and maybe some sports as well,