1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Ryan Edward's Betty Fower and studio with us until six 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: o'clock five six six nine zeros or Kawi Common Spirit 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: health text line. If you want to interact with us, 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, I gotta I gotta ask you about A. J. 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Brown man, I gotta ask you about the Diva wide 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: receiver and all that I mean because again you. 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 2: And I say this affectionately. 8 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: I've never seen you interviewing you in the locker room 9 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: or otherwise. Is it a Diva wide receiver? But you 10 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: played the position and you know plenty of them. 11 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: Does AJ Brown have. 12 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: A point though? Absolutely well? Number one, I could never 13 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: be a Diva receiver. I was undrafted, So it doesn't 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: work to doesn't work well for you as an undrafted 15 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: receiver to demand or ask for anything. Well. R. Smith 16 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: was an undrafted guy and he probably didn't ask for much. 17 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: I don't think he ever asked. I mean, you know, 18 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: Rod's very mild mannered guy. One of the greatest Broncos 19 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: receivers ever, one of the greatest receivers ever in the 20 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: league period. He's more of a work ethic guy. Yeah, 21 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: he's a work ethic but you know he got red 22 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: than that. But He also played with l way. He 23 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: played with quarterbacks that threw the ball down the fields. 24 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: Hall of Famers percent. Aj Brown. I understand where he's 25 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,559 Speaker 1: coming from, and I'm one thousand percent on his side 26 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: in terms of how he feels, the way he's responding 27 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: to things, the cryptic tweets, the messages. I'm not for that, 28 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: but being upset, you should be upset number one. I 29 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: think he's getting paid over thirty million dollars a year. 30 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: That means you're one of the top receivers in the league. 31 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: He also has the ability of a number one, and 32 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: he deserves the ball. Jalen Hurt is getting paid fifty million. Hey, 33 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: my man, you need to find me the ball. Like, 34 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: this is what are we doing here? He's running hitch routes, 35 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: he's running slants or go routes. There's no he's not 36 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 1: being moved around. He's getting targeted though. Yeah, these targets 37 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: aren't great targets. Now, if you go back to the 38 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: target tape and look at it, these are long foul balls. 39 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: I was being thrown out of bounds, so it looks like, hey, well, 40 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: we threw you the ball eight times nine targets here 41 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: only four of them I could actually catch. So yeah, 42 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: I totally understand where he's coming from because next year, 43 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: the Eagles are going to ask for him to take 44 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: a pay cut based off of his yards and productions 45 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: this year, and he's going to be upset about that 46 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: because he didn't really have any opportunities. And you know, 47 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: receivers they want the ball because he can have that 48 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: type of effect on the game when he does get 49 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: the ball. His catch and run opportunity is very much 50 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: like Terrell Owens, somebody who wanted the ball a lot. 51 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: And there I play with receivers who had this dynamic ability. 52 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: Damarius Thomas like, if you throwing the ball, you never 53 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: know what could happen, an Odell Beckham, you throw on 54 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: the ball, you never know what could happen. I played 55 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: with Michael Thomas in New Orleans. These types of these 56 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: guys can take over games. And right now they're not 57 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: running the ball, well, well, they're not doing anything really 58 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: really well on offense. I mean they're thirty first in passing. 59 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: I mean that's remarkable. Thirty first and passing with two 60 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: receivers who could be number ones on most NFL teams. 61 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 2: So that's say, if a j Brown came here. 62 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: Oh as great as Courtland is and as great as 63 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: he's playing, AJ Brown's number one. 64 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 2: There's like twenty teams that he'd be a number one, 65 00:02:58,840 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: and maybe even more. 66 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, just off the top of my head, 67 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I mean you just go down 68 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: the list. 69 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: I mean tonight, you obviously got the Rams. 70 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: They've got a couple of number ones as well, but 71 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, I mean, yeah, he'd be the 72 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: number one. 73 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 2: He'd be easily number one. Yeah. 74 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: So I think you know that's where AJ is and 75 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: I totally understand it because look, he's got one more contract, 76 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: maybe he's got a couple more years left, and these 77 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: are your max earning years. Like he'll never in his 78 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: life ever make thirty five million dollars a year. 79 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: I don't care. 80 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: You have to be a public company CEO to make 81 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: that type of money, which he's not. That's not his 82 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: trajectory of his life. So ma's earning potential in years. 83 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: Hey man, I need the ball and number one I 84 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: can have that type of effect. So but let me 85 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: let me ask you like this, because you and I 86 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: both know that from a fan base, especially for a four, 87 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: and oh, team, there's probably gonna be like, what, dude, 88 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: what are you doing? 89 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: Like your team is winning? 90 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: You guys, yeah, you're you're not reaching your full potential. 91 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: But we know if that's looking like it's week four, 92 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: give it some time. There are other teams around the league, 93 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm just more of a devil's advocate, like 94 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: a fan perspective. There are teams around the league that 95 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: are struggling way worse than the Eagles, not only in 96 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: the win loss column, but also offensively. And so it 97 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: feels like the defending Super Bowl champions who have started 98 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: out four and know that, no, they really have that 99 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: in their back pocket. 100 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: It's eventually going to get there. 101 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: It just feels like he should be giving this some 102 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: time instead of putting out cryptic tweets in the midst 103 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: of a winning streak. 104 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: What if winning doesn't mean anything to me anymore? Oh, 105 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 2: you got to be kidding me. 106 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: I mean, did you see his posts after they won 107 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: the super Bowl and talked and he talked about, Wow, 108 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: we won the super Bowl and this is not this 109 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: is not what I thought it would be, and how 110 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: he's going to go back to work. I do remember that, Yeah, 111 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: you know, so maybe winning isn't everything to him. And 112 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: I know plenty of players. I've played with plenty of 113 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: players like you know, after you win the Super Bowl, 114 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: it's more about how much money you. 115 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,799 Speaker 2: Can make and how yeah legacy things. 116 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: Now you're playing for Hall of Fame, you're not necessarily 117 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: playing for Oh, let's win another super Bowl like Tom 118 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: Brady's and the Patriots. 119 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: Those are anomalies where people bought in. 120 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: But after those people, you know, people like Ammadella would 121 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: go somewhere else to get more money and then they 122 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: end up coming back. 123 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: So, yeah, who said aj Brown actually wants to win championships? 124 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a fair point. 125 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: You're right, and there's an assumption and that most people, 126 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: fans or otherwise think winning is the most important thing 127 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: in the world, But in the reality is because of 128 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: the business of the league, there's a lot more to it, 129 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: and especially the individual accolades and your placement within those 130 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: individual accolades. We talk about it in terms of quarterbacks 131 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: all the time, right about, hey, is this guy a 132 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer? This guy a Hall of Famer? And 133 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: those are individual stats. Sometimes it's time to the t 134 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: team's success, but most of them. It's because quarterbacks impacted 135 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: so much. But when you're a wide receiver in you're 136 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: a dependent position, it is a little bit of a 137 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: different mindset, and you do have to be a bit selfish. 138 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: So I understand your perspective. 139 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: But you and your perspective as a wide receiver, rod 140 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: Smith and his perspective a wide receiver. I think that 141 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: sometimes filters into fans perspective on it, because then fans 142 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: are like, well, I want a. 143 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: Rod Smith, I want a Betty Fowler. I want guys 144 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: like Courtland. 145 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: Sutton who are out there blocking their ass off when 146 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: they know that it will impact and help the team 147 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: win games, which should be the most important thing. Yeah, well, 148 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I love that perspective and I 149 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: love you know, fans who think about this, But then 150 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: you got to put yourself in that situation. And if 151 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: you know you're that talented where you could take over 152 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: a game and you're not getting the ball, that's a 153 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: real problem. And you know, Jalen Hurts is he's not 154 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: a rookie, he's not in his first or second year. 155 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 1: This is a veteran quarterback. This is a Super Bowl 156 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: winning quarterback. We've gone to the Super Bowl twice. You 157 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: need to be able to read the defense, not only 158 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: that the offensive coordinator. Most importantly, how are you not 159 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: moving me around? How are you not finding ways to 160 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: get me open? When you look at the Kevin O'Connell's, 161 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: we look at the Kylee shanahan's, we look at the 162 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: Sean Paytons of the world. They find a way to 163 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: get their star receivers and their best players the ball 164 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: in space. Everybody knows that Justin Jefferson is going to 165 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: get the ball, they find a different way to move 166 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: him around. Why is aj Brown lined up outside the 167 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: numbers every play? That doesn't make any sense. So I 168 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: think that is where his frustration is coming from. I 169 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: think Kellen Moore had to figure that out last year, 170 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: found different ways to get him in the rock. He 171 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: doesn't throw him the screen, give him a handoff, give 172 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: him a reverse. You got to get this guy going 173 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: and involved. And I think, I mean, the Broncos are 174 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: getting ready to see it. But I think he Dave 175 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: and I got a little bet Day thinks he's going 176 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: to get target at least seven or eight times in 177 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: the first half against the Broncos, just with the amount 178 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: of man that the Broncos play. That makes a lot 179 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: of sense, right, And I mean we're talking about, hey, 180 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: put Riley Moss on him. Well, that's certainly going to 181 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: get a lot of targets, and it's with help over obviously, obviously, 182 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: But I think you're actually right on that. I think 183 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: that I'll understand the situation there. You just take Devonte 184 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: Smith out of the equation. And if you can do that, 185 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: if I could tell people if DeVante Smith's going to 186 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: be a net zero when it comes to this game, 187 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: it's really to come down to aj Brown and the 188 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: rest of the secondary and then whatever they have to 189 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: do with Aains, Dallas Godder and the rest of those receivers. 190 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 2: I think you probably take that. 191 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: I think you probably overall say, okay, I think you 192 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: take one of their number one guys and understand that 193 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: the other guy who's already going to begging for targets 194 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: because they that's how you silence that noise is you 195 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: give him some high quality targets, You give him some opportunities. 196 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: But that doesn't necessarily mean that he breaks the game. No, 197 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: I don't think he'll break the game. And I don't 198 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: trust Jalen Hursts to actually throw. 199 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: Him the ball. 200 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: It's a good point too on time, So I think 201 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: they're going to give him a lot of targets or 202 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: try to get him involved. But this is also going 203 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: to come down to Jalen Hurts. So I think Jalen Hurts. 204 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: It's really weird to me. I don't know if you 205 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: find this awkward at all, but Jalen Hurts in the 206 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: playoff games, in big games, throws the ball down the 207 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: field in super accurately. The way he played in the 208 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, the way he played in the NFC Championship 209 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: doesn't compare to how he plays during the regular season, 210 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: which is really weirder, like when he plays in primetime. 211 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: It doesn't really add up. 212 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see, like how he'll play, and 213 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: I question his field reading ability and if he can 214 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: really read the defense he's he's a shorter quarterback and 215 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: smaller end stature. 216 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: But I think we'll see. 217 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: I think the Broncos will have some opportunities to pick 218 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: the ball off because if. 219 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: He hasn't heard it over yet, yeah, yeah, he's super 220 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: risk averse. 221 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: But I think you know, if AJ and you know 222 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: all the media pressure which he really doesn't really fall 223 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: into But if they're trying to get him the ball 224 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 1: and he has to throw the ball, I think he's 225 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: gonna throw us one. 226 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 2: Seriously, show up with the Michigan State stuff. I mean, 227 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 2: is this You're you're trying to send a message to me. 228 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: I know you are no to be honest, I'm not 229 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 2: you know. I'm in this weird spot where. 230 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: I want to rep more of the teams that I 231 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: play for, but I don't necessarily always feel strong to 232 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: put on Broncos gear, especially here in Denver, Okay. And 233 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, my time in New York wasn't meaningful because 234 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: we sucked. My time in New Orleans was great, but 235 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: it was during COVID. Oh wow, Like, I don't want 236 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: to wear James Gare. I don't have a lot of 237 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: ties to New Orleans. San Francisco was my last team. 238 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm not putting on that gear. So of lately, you know, 239 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: just bought a lot of Michigan State stuff, and yeah, 240 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: I want to wear rep some of the teams that 241 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: I played for. I don't always feel comfortable wearing Broncos 242 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: stuff because I'm removed I talk about the team. 243 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to feel like 244 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: a homer. You know what I'm saying. No, I hear that. 245 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: I hear that. 246 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: I mean, not a lot of people get to say 247 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: I actually played for the team. And of course you 248 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: have the distinguished that of having Peyton Manning's last catch, right, 249 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I hear you. 250 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: It looks good on you. I just I know that 251 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 2: we had our. 252 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: Little back and forth about Draymond Green, So I just 253 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: didn't know if that this was sort of like, oh, no, 254 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: I'll wear a Golden State stuff there it is if 255 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: I want to do that. I mean, I played with 256 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: some great, great players, you know, when I think about 257 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: Michigan State, you know, regardless of you know, my good 258 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: friend and brother Draymond, you. 259 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 2: Know, I still went there. 260 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: And you know, but if I wanted to rub it 261 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: in about that, I'd wear Warrior stuff. Because his Michigan 262 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: State career has nothing to do with him being a 263 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer in the NBA. Well, it's 264 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: on the cold tales of first ballot Hall of Famer. 265 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: I mean, two Olympic medals. 266 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: Four championships, nine all defensive teams. 267 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, some really good teams he's played on. 268 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a part of all of its part 269 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: of yeah, they said they can't win, they haven't won 270 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: and won't win any championships without him. So those are 271 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: of the words of Stephen Curry and Steve Curry and 272 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: all that, not not me, but hey, I'll tell you 273 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: what though, Forsworth and I said this a long time 274 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: about DRAMI Green, I do, and we will get back 275 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: to the Broncos. Actually I have some really cool something 276 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: cool and bull Nicks in a second. 277 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 2: But they've been very good teams. 278 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: He's the engine of that team, and I do believe that, 279 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: i'd say, individually on his own accolades if you just 280 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: sort of sectioned it off, and yeah, you talk about 281 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: the wins and the championships and the medals, all valuable, right, 282 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: but he's not like the star of any of those teams. 283 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: But he does impact the game. And then there's no 284 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: denying that I don't like the dirty play. I mean, 285 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: that's I think there's a lot of people. Yeah, right, 286 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: if he's on your team, you probably love a little 287 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: bit of the physicality, love getting in the head of 288 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: some of the other players. 289 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 2: I don't. 290 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: I don't like stomping on dudes on the ground and 291 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: kicking other people and the you know what, I just 292 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: don't like it. 293 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 2: I don't like any of that, but. 294 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: You have to sort of respect the dynasty, and it 295 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: is a dynasty of Golden State, and it doesn't happen 296 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: without him. So I have to acknowledge that. Yeah, I mean, 297 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: that's yeah, you got to acknowledge that. I think his 298 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,359 Speaker 1: play speaks for himself. He's going into year fourteen so remarkable. 299 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy, you're fourteen with one team. His leadership, 300 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, obviously there's been some moments where he's not 301 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: proud of, but his leadership, in his communication is authentic communication. 302 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: I think one of. 303 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: The best compliments that him and I have talked about 304 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: is what Steve said, like in terms of his mentality 305 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: and comparing to Michael Jordan, which I believe, will you 306 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: do anything to do to He will do anything he 307 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: has to to win a game. 308 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 2: And you know that's one. 309 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, some people question it, but you can't question 310 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: the three state championships he has. You can't question the 311 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: three Big Ten championships and two Final fours that he has, 312 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: or the four NBA championship and two Olympic medals. 313 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 2: I mean it's almost like you're prepared to have this conversation. 314 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I get into a lot of arguments with 315 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: people about it, and you know, I think, obviously our 316 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: friendship is very important to me, and like I mean, 317 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: we've been knowing each other for twenty years now, so 318 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: like high school, and he's always. 319 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: Been firing competitive, and you know, it is what it is. 320 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 2: I take it. You know, everybody respects him in the NBA. 321 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: So if you don't know, I had. 322 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: Tweeted out a while back about Draymond Green is going 323 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: to be the one of the most overrated Hall of 324 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: Famers ever in the history of the NBA and you 325 00:13:58,840 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: saw that. 326 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: So because overrated and Hall of Fame don't go in 327 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: the same sentence, they kind of can. 328 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: So like Curtis Martin, I'm sorry, doesn't do it for 329 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: me as a Hall of Famer, I hear you. 330 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: But his his resume doesn't even compare. It's accumulation. That's 331 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: his residen that's Curtis Martin's resume. Yeah, well that's not 332 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: Draymond's resume. 333 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: Well, fourteen years and he's yeah, fourteen years, you know, going, 334 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: He's going in a year fourteen So nine out of 335 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: his thirteen years, he's been all defensive NBA. That's crazy, 336 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: all right, all right, I I back to the Broncos 337 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: the cap. 338 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: All right, well we come back, we come back. Bodex 339 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: has a superpower. 340 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: I tell you why that superpower matters, specifically in this 341 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: game coming up this hour, chance when one thousand dollars 342 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: coming up the next five minutes thanks to Mercedes Beens 343 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: with Littleton Mercedesoflyttleton dot Com. 344 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: The Broncos offense has been a subject. 345 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: I mean, certainly you guys have been talking about it 346 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: over DNB are a lot of We've obviously been talking 347 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: about it over here on Kawa. There is something that 348 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: Bonnicks does though, that is I mean, if that's the best, 349 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: I think, only listen here. Yeah, number one in the league. 350 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: There's stithing that Bonix does that this offense does that 351 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: is better than anybody else in the league. And that 352 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: is avoiding sacks. Yeah, three sacks entire season. And meanwhile 353 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles have only got five sacks on the season. 354 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: As good as they are upfront, and they truly are elite, 355 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: they have yet to get that part of their defense going. 356 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: We were talking about a lot about the offense and 357 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts their defense has not really gotten on track 358 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: with sacks yet either. I thought this was a great 359 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: answer from bo Nicks earlier today talking about avoiding sacks 360 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: and how he compares them to turnovers on an offense. 361 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: Well, I think we just we all do a good job. 362 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 3: They do a good job of not letting guys run free, 363 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 3: and then we do a good job in protection. We 364 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 3: do a good job of id in guys, making sure 365 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 3: that we've got the right guy's block, and then at 366 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: the end of the day, if something does happen, things 367 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: break down, it's my job to make those guys miss 368 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 3: and not have sacks. I think sacks kill drives, and 369 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: sacks statistically, when you get one on a drive, your 370 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: percentage of scoring goes drastically down. So that's something that's 371 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 3: always been important for me. 372 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: So it's kind of like a turnover, you know. 373 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 3: I hate hate sas hate turnovers, and so keeping us 374 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 3: away from those is giving us the best chance. 375 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: I feel like that answer. 376 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: The pre draft process probably made Sean Payton just boost 377 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: him right to the top of the list a hundred percent, 378 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: because you know how Sean Payton and he talks about 379 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: all the time and the pre draft process otherwise, because 380 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: he was so sick of watching Russell Wilson take all 381 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: of those sacks back there and ruin drive after drive, 382 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: and especially because Russell Wilson wouldn't get to the hot read, 383 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: he wouldn't find the open guy that that Sean Payton 384 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: had schemed up for him in case the blitz came 385 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: from one side of the other, and Russell just would 386 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: scramble around and run backwards and then take a sack. 387 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: So I'm sure that answer right there is everything that 388 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: Sean Payton would want to hear out of his starting quarterback. 389 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: But it's a big deal. It is really a big deal, 390 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 1: isn't it Definitely is. I think you know Bo hit 391 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: it right there when he was talking. He talked about 392 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: how it's a drive killer, and I think I know that, 393 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, just from being around Peyton. And then I 394 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: think I heard Peyton say this on an interview recently, 395 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: that you know, if you take a sack on a drive, 396 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: you have a seven percent chance to score on that drive. 397 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: And it's no different to me. Then I wouldn't compare 398 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: it to a turn rible, but I would compare it 399 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: to a penalty. 400 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 2: You know, when we talk about the. 401 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 1: Chargers game, only nine first downs for the Broncos, it's 402 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: hard to play at first and twenty. It's hard to 403 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: play at second and seventeen or third in nineteen. It's 404 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: hard to get first downs. And I think when you 405 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: get a sack, and you think about a sack, if 406 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: you take a sack on first and ten, you know 407 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: you're putting yourself at first and fifteen or first and seventeen. 408 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: It's just hard to get another first down right there. 409 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: And I love the fact that Bo doesn't take a 410 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: lot of sacks, and I think it's going to be 411 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: hard for the Philadelphia to get sacks. Not only number one. 412 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 2: I think the. 413 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: Offensive line has played really well for the most part 414 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: in terms of protecting. But then also Bo's scramble ability 415 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: and he's a strong runner, and he's very elusive in 416 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: the pocket. You know, sometimes he does these little spins 417 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: in the pocket or he finds a way to get 418 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: out of a sack, and I think that's really important. 419 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: I'd love to see him throw the ball away more, 420 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: just be able to diagnose that quicker. But I think 421 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: that comes with time and comes with experience. But I 422 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: definitely know they probably harp on that, and Sean definitely 423 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: harps on that. 424 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 2: I'll be curious to see what Drew. 425 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: Brees, what his what was like for him playing in 426 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: this offense, and how many sacks he took, So you know, 427 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: if he looks at it like turnovers, let's stop turning 428 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: the ball over as well, you know, let's focus on that. 429 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: But I love the fact that he doesn't take sacks, 430 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: and that's one of the best ways to keep drives alive. 431 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: And ultimately, you want to end every position in a kick, 432 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: whether it's a punt, field goal, or touchdown. I love that, 433 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: and that's that seems like the mentality of this team 434 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: for sure. And I do want to ask you about 435 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: the chemistry with the receivers. I feel like it's getting 436 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: a little bit better, but it's tough to know sometimes 437 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: off of a blowout game like they just had with 438 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: the Bengals. We'll get to that here in a second, 439 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: But staying on the sacks thing for a second, I 440 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: do like his pocket mobility. 441 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: I would say that he's got a very good. 442 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: Sense of where the rush is coming from and how 443 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: to avoid it, and he tends to make the right decision, 444 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: although there are moments where he does run up into 445 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 1: the line almost unnecessarily. 446 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: Have you noticed that too, I have noticed that. 447 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: I've noticed that on the Troy Franklin post in the 448 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: last game against Cincinnati, definitely on the fulle flicker, the 449 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: flee flicker to Marvin Mims. I'm really curious about that 450 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: because his arm strength doesn't seem to be lacking at all. 451 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 2: One was overthrown on the Troy Franklin. 452 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: I thought that was actually a really good ball that 453 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: Troy should have caught, and then the Marvin Mims one. 454 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: Maybe it's fifty to fifty in terms of if he 455 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: catches that or not or both put too much on it. 456 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, he's kind of jumping into the throw, So 457 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: I don't know where that is. I think, you know, 458 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: he's super excited. I don't think he definitely didn't drink 459 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: it much caffeine before the Cincinnati game, because he was 460 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: definitely a lot more mellow. 461 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: He was definitely a lot more chill than he was 462 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: against the Chargers. 463 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: But I think some of these plays are just so 464 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: open where it is, it's not surprising him, but he's 465 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: it obviously excites him, like, oh, I got to step 466 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: into this, like Troy's screaming down in the field and 467 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: he's putting a lot of mustard onto the ball. There's 468 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: a lot of good designs on this offense anytime you 469 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: rewatch it, and I imagine you was a guy that 470 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: played the wide receiver position to kind of know like, hey, 471 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: we're looking at what the defense is lined up, and 472 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: we're getting ready to call this player like I'm going 473 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: to be running wide open here, and it is up 474 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: to the quarterback at that point to get you the ball. 475 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,719 Speaker 1: But we could question some of the sequencing. I think 476 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: there's some times with Sean Payton's sequencing much better, obviously 477 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: this last week in Cincinnati, but there were times in 478 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: both the Chargers game and the Colts game they got 479 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: into these lulls where they would put themselves in really 480 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,239 Speaker 1: long obviously third and long situations, but they just they 481 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: weren't really getting into rhythm and set actually talked about 482 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: that earlier today. We'll get to that in a second, 483 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: but he I think design wise, the design of the 484 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: offense is very very high level stuff. 485 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was giving him a lot of grief on the. 486 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 1: DMVR show because I thought the play calling could have 487 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: been better against the Chargers. But when I actually looked 488 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 1: back at the film, I was like, geez, Like, some 489 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: of these players are really well designed, they're just not 490 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: executed well. There was a third and twelve against the 491 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: Chargers where R. J. 492 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: Harvey was kind of lined up. 493 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: In a you know, up back position, and they ran 494 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: like a little mini screen to him, and Troutman and 495 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: Troy Franklin missed the block. But you know, little things 496 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: like that, it looks like, oh, it's just a dump 497 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: off and bows being Charlie checked down and I was like, no, 498 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: this is actually pretty well designed. 499 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 2: They both missed the block. 500 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: The fourth and two to Courland Sutton was incredible against 501 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: the Chargers. The fleet Flaker designed for on a third 502 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: and nineteen. I mean, that's just incredible. The fact that 503 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: you got the defense to bite. Yeah, on a third 504 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: and nineteen. Would you when you're handing it. 505 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: Off, I mean, I guess you're running a draw. 506 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: So the defense at that point kind of has to 507 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: respect the fact that maybe you've given up. 508 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 2: But then they pitch it back and I mean it's 509 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 2: third nineteen and then you're letting. And it wasn't just Marvin. 510 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: He was Troy. They were both running wide. 511 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,719 Speaker 1: Open there and you sort of caught the defender right 512 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: in between them one hundred percent. And then his the 513 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: way he called the plays against Cincinnati, you know, the 514 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: first and ten to RJ. Harvey where it was the 515 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: running back scene, Evan was the flat route to open 516 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: up the defender. 517 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: Marvin screaming down the field into RJ. Harvey. 518 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't think j RJ. Probably didn't think 519 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 1: that he was going to be that wide open. You 520 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: could see him kind of slow down a little bit 521 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 1: because it was to your point, Ryan, he was like, 522 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm wide open, Like how do I 523 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 1: process this? 524 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 2: How do I get this ball? And then on. 525 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: Another first and ten was the post Detroy Franklin. Sean 526 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: knew exactly what covers he was going to get. Dows 527 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: up the post Detroy Franklin. I think he just has 528 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: to come up with that catch and make that play. 529 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: But I think Sean has been designing plays really well 530 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: and this will be the best tests yet. But this 531 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: is what he gets paid for, Like these types of 532 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: games right here where you're playing against Philadelphia, Vic Fangio, 533 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: somebody that you wanted to be back here in Denver 534 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: with you, somebody that you have a tremendous amount of 535 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: respect for, who makes you play patient type of football. 536 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: How are you going to call these plays? This is 537 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: a Sean Payton type of game, one hundred percent. And 538 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm glad and you brought that up in the break. 539 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought that up, David. I've been 540 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: talking about the chess match between Vic and Sean and 541 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: this is like, this is pay per view, Like this 542 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: is why you watch the game. It's to see with 543 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: Sean Payton, who knows Vic Fangier very well, and Vic 544 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: knows Sean really well, and how they're going to combat 545 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: each other in a bit of a chess match. And 546 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what Shawn's got dialed up for. 547 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 2: And I think you said it perfectly. 548 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: It's kind of more about the execution from the players, 549 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: way more than maybe the design of the place. The 550 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: sequencing can improved. And I do think they figured out 551 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: a couple of things against Cincinnati, and sometimes I almost 552 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: hate it, but there's no other way to describe it. 553 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: The get right game. 554 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: That's what Cincinnati felt like going into it. Defensively, the numbers, 555 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: the matchups, everything about it felt like, if the Broncos 556 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: offense can't move the ball against this defense, then we're 557 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: gonna have some questions coming after. And again I sort 558 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: of hate that because they're paid professionals too, and it 559 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: means the value of what Cincinnati does as a pro 560 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: football team. But at the same time, the numbers were 561 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: the numbers, and the matchups are what they are, aren't 562 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: they Yeah, one hundred percent, and you play who's out there, 563 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: and regardless, like I said, I think you know, we 564 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: all understand this and everybody else understands that if Joe 565 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: Burrow had went out there and played in that game, 566 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: that defense is still the same players who would have played. 567 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: So I think they did a great job of neutralizing 568 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: Trey Henderson. I thought they attacked the matchups really well. 569 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: I thought Sean his sequencing was sequencing when it comes 570 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: to the play calling was better. 571 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: Was better. And also I think. 572 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: Well, actually I can't really say this because there were 573 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: still a lot of penalties, a. 574 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: Lot of penalties, but you know, I think they did. 575 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 2: They had more. 576 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: Drives where there was there wasn't a lot of penalties, 577 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: but but you know, it's hard to get in a 578 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,439 Speaker 1: rhythm as a play caller if you're playing behind the 579 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: sticks all the time. 580 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: And I think JK. 581 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: Dobbins in the running game did a great job of 582 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: four to five to six yards to carry, you know, 583 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: second and short, third and short. You know, I think 584 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: all of those touchdowns were on third downs. But it's 585 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: like third and two, third and five, third and goal. 586 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 1: You can win games like that. 587 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: You know. 588 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Eagles, they don't play exciting football, you know. 589 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: I heard Drew Brees talk about how boring they are 590 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: in terms of football, but they get into third and 591 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: short and fourth and short and they just keep the 592 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: drive going. And then they keep the drive going. So 593 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: you know, those are some of the most important things. 594 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: And I think Sean will be hopefully in a great 595 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: rhythm in terms of play calling. But even the personnels 596 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: have come down a little bit. And Sean's thirty and 597 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: thirty through the first four weeks of the season. That's 598 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: his record, and then I don't know what it goes 599 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: up to October November December, but I think it's in 600 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: you know, seventy percent. It's like seventy five percent, seventy 601 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: So I think he had this huge volume of play 602 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, in the first couple of weeks. He puts 603 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: a lot on bow, he puts a lot on the receivers, 604 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: different personnels, lots on a lot on coaching, and now 605 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: he has the sample size of like, what do we 606 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: do do really well? And now going forward, that's what 607 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: we're going to execute on. Those are the personnels that 608 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: we're going to execute on. And also he's playing the 609 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: long term game. You know, I questioned r J Harvey 610 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: and how much he was playing, and he looked a 611 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: little hesitant, especially in week one. In week two, oh yeah, 612 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: but the way he looks in week four, the way 613 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: he ran his cuts, the way he caught the ball, 614 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he showed really strong hands. That's going to 615 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: pay off in the next four to five to six 616 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: weeks and the rest. 617 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: Of the season. 618 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: So Seawn's got a long term vision in place that 619 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: we can't necessarily that we don't always see, and I 620 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: think that's what you know, I think we'll continue to 621 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: see that breakdown throughout the rest of the season. The 622 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: usage of JK and RJ in that game was like 623 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: that was what we pictured in our heads right where 624 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: there would be this thunder and lightning a bit and 625 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: RJ is going to obviously carry the ball as well, 626 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: but it's just you know what JK does with his physicality, 627 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: and you bring in RJ and some of the pass 628 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: catching ability that he has and some of the explosive 629 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: ability he has. 630 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: That was the most exciting thing of that game. 631 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot you know, being excited to 632 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: see Bo look more confidence. You mentioned that with his feet, 633 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: he looked a lot better there. The blocking was phenomenal, 634 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: but again, there isn't a lot of pass rush besides 635 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, So if you key in on him, then 636 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: you kind of feel pretty good about that for Cincinnati. 637 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: But it's just it. You still have to go out and. 638 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: Do it, like that's the one thing like the matchups 639 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: of the matchups, but you still have to go out 640 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: there and execute. And we even talked about this with 641 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: the Eagles and how they're having a difficult time getting sacks. Well, 642 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that they can't rack up five sacks 643 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: against you coming up on Sunday. The Eagles are a 644 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: very talented deem this is different than Cincinnati is that 645 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: the talent is absolutely there for the Eagles. But I 646 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: wanted to ask you real quick before we hit the 647 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: break here at the top of the ear. I wanted 648 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: to ask you about the chemistry stuff, because that was 649 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: a big discussion point. 650 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: Coming off the Chargers game. 651 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: You're off the fingertips of a couple of receivers, obviously, 652 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: Cordon officuely, Marvin, it looks like maybe you're right, maybe 653 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: there was just a lot there from a processing standpoint, 654 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: but the reality is, you got nine first downs in 655 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: a game. Meanwhile, by the way, Cincinnati only got nine 656 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: first downs this last game. But it looks way better 657 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: for the Broncos. So take that away from whatever you want. 658 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying like, there there seems to be 659 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: some moments still in the first month, maybe excluding the 660 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: Cincinnati game, where things are not quite as as clean 661 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: as you think for a team with a lot of 662 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: the same returning players. 663 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that comes down to rhythm and timing. 664 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: I also think it comes down to personnel and how 665 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: these things are being being repped throughout practice. It's hard 666 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: to sometimes simulate that speed and are the receivers running 667 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: as fast as they would be in practice or in 668 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: the game as they are in practice. 669 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: So I think you know, you just have that experience. 670 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: I think him and Courtland have that chemistry. I think 671 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: him and Troy are picking it up back off of 672 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: their their organ days. I think they're starting to find 673 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: their rhythm. I think he's found a pretty good rhythm 674 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: with with Marvin Mims. But I think it takes time, 675 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: and I think you learned that throughout the season. You know, 676 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: Peyton was really big on throwing to those receivers a 677 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: lot in practice. I'm not I don't know how the 678 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: Broncos practice their plays, but I'll never forget. One time 679 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: was this is my rookie year, and DT was tired, 680 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: and you know, we were getting ready to I think 681 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: we're doing like routes on air, and I stood up 682 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: and it was time for Peyton to throw me to 683 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: the ball and He's told me a step right on 684 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: back the man, you will get up here. I'm not 685 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: throwing a Benny on Sunday. And I was like, I 686 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: got to make the team next year. So you know, 687 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: I think little things like that. I think you know, 688 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: bow will he will continue to get better in his 689 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: rhythm and his timing will get better. He still puts 690 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: a lot of heat on the ball, which you know 691 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: means I don't know how he's seeing certain things. But 692 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: when you look at the veteran quarterbacks, the Drew Brees 693 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: is the Peyton Mannings of Tom Brady's. 694 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 2: They know how to put touch on that ball. 695 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: So it's a catch and run ball, catch and run opportunity. 696 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: I think Bow will get that over time. 697 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: So I think it's what you worry about with him. 698 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: No, I don't worry about I don't worry about much 699 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: from the quarterback position or just him overall, because Sean 700 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: is architecting this whole thing, and I think as long 701 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: as they are in partnership long term, this is going 702 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: to look exactly how you wanted to look. I was 703 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: looking at Drew Brees's second year numbers with Sean Payton. 704 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: Twenty eight touchdowns, eighteen interceptions, you know, and this is 705 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: one of the best the first ballot Hall of Fame quarterbacks, 706 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: So you take that, you know, going into year two, 707 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: I think, you know, Bo's definitely on track to have 708 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: more touchdowns this year. 709 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 2: I think same amount. 710 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: Of turnovers here at the four game mark. Last year 711 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: he had four interceptions. He's got four interceptions now, but 712 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: I think he has nine total touchdowns this year instead 713 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: of two. So he's progressing in the right way, and 714 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: you know this is the long term play. 715 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 2: I think. 716 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: You know, Sean put a lot out there talking about 717 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: super Bowl and top four top five quarterback. 718 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: Do I think he gets the top four top five quarterback? 719 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. That's a little hard to say. 720 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: You know, Mahomes in this division, you got Alan, Lamar Jackson. 721 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: You know Joe Burrow when he's healthy. Oh that's a 722 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: different conversation. Really yeah, not there, huh he. I mean 723 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: he's got that ability. But I mean, if you're never 724 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: on the field, I don't know how you could be 725 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: a top five quarterback. Is this is the first time 726 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: that people have started to say that more about Joe 727 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: Burrow and top five if healthy. 728 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 2: You have to say that every year for you Yeah, 729 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 2: you're right, You're right. 730 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: I mean, coming off of last year, he was the 731 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: best quarterback in the league, or at least arguably right. 732 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: I mean, Josh Allen won the award. Lamar probably should 733 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: have won the award. But then Joe Burrow, if he 734 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: was on a winning team, if they didn't have the 735 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: defense that they had, Joe Burrow played as good as 736 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: anybody start. That's what Dak Prescott is doing this year accumulating. Yeah, 737 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: I mean Dak Prescots probably forty touchdowns this year, forty five. 738 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: He'll leave the league in passing, Yeah, because that defense 739 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: isn't stopping anybody. Yeah, So I think bo Is, you know, 740 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: his trajectory is right there. I think my favorite, one 741 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: of my favorite moments from the Cincinnati game is Troy 742 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: doesn't come down with that post ball and conversation on 743 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: the sideline. That's the next step for them, that's the 744 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: next step for him as a franchise. QB is like, oh, 745 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: come on, man, Like I feel like, hey, Troy, number one, 746 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: I need you. But it looks like it was more 747 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: of a casual conversation like, hey man, you don't want 748 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: to add to the stats, like and you like that 749 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: type of conversation, especially for two people who know each 750 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: other really well. 751 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 2: And I think that chemistry is going to get even better. 752 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: That's my favorite duo right now, right now, even though 753 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: Courtland is, you know, playing extremely well, and his level 754 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: in attention to detail in terms of his spacing and 755 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: routes is on another level. 756 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 2: You can see his veteran presence. 757 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: But I'm super excited about the Troy Franklin, Bo Nick's connection, 758 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: the Duck dynasty connection right there, just based off I mean, 759 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: Troy's athletic ability is crazy. 760 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: And then I saw there was. 761 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: That third down at the end of the third quarter, 762 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: or maybe it's the first down play where Bo does 763 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: the RPO and throws it to Troy and Troy gets 764 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: the first down. But the way he exploded up the field, 765 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: and I was like, this could look this could be 766 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: really nice, this could be really scary, just of maybe 767 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: not necessarily golf and Jamis and Williams, but that type 768 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: of playmaking ability. Yeah, Jameis Williams got another level of speed, 769 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: but Troy's almost there and at home run making ability, 770 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: He's he's explosive and boy by that that pass and 771 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about. 772 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 2: What what's the heat on it? 773 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I thought about that A couple of those passes, 774 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: I mean the touchdown to Corlin Sudden that was one where. 775 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 2: He rifled it in there. 776 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: And then there was another pass to Troy Franklin over 777 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: the middle on it was either a bender or I 778 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: think maybe a basic That was the six deep dig route, 779 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: that cheap motion deep dig round. 780 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was. 781 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: That was But those throws right there shows me that 782 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: he is the guy. 783 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 2: That's a hard throw. 784 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: That's a hard throw for any quarterback, and for you 785 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: to make a throw in a cheap motion. Great route 786 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: by Troy. And then Troy also got negative out of 787 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: the break. You know, for people who are listening right now, 788 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: Troy comes and he runs this route straight up the 789 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: field and then he breaks in. But he breaks in 790 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: he plays flat down on the line, which makes it 791 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: an easier throw for the quarterback. It wasn't drifting, Yeah, 792 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't drifting up the field. Keeps him out of 793 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: the hospital. And Troy was able to make that three 794 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: but or catch. He ran through that ball. That's a 795 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: confident catch. It's a heart that's a hard you know, 796 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: I would drift up the field because you know that 797 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: that ball kind of scared me a little bit, especially 798 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: because you're running in at it. But those great players, 799 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: the Odell Beckhams that I've played with, the Sterling Shepherds 800 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: that I played with, DT caught a lot of end routes. 801 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: They would run through that, and that's a confidence thing. 802 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: You could see that game. Troy had a couple of drops. 803 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 1: He still caught the ball with his hands and very confident, 804 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: awesome Benny Fowler in the studio, so we come back. 805 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: We'll hear from Sean Payton on what bo Nix likes 806 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: early in drives that this is a very interesting answer, 807 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: so we'll get to that. Also, do we overreact a 808 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: little bit too much, too much? And I acknowledge sometimes 809 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: I think ween sports talk radio do this as well. 810 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: To what happens in the first month of the season, 811 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: I want to get to that coming up next