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Speaker 1: the hour three o'clock Central Standard time. It is a

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Speaker 1: Monday Day after edition of the Bumper to Bumper program

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Speaker 1: on a rather wintry Monday afternoon here in the Twin

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Speaker 1: Cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul. My name is Dan Barrero,

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Speaker 1: the host of the program for RINKS, Saint rich newspaper,

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Speaker 1: the Twin Cities Guardsy is the producer of the program Sidekick,

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Speaker 1: and six or seven other jobs at last count as well.

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Speaker 1: We're delighted that you are along for today's ride that

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Speaker 1: I believe is going the distance today? Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: Six thirty? That is my understanding. That could change every

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Speaker 2: I just look over my left and until late night

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Speaker 2: wild game tonight again. So it looks like we are

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Speaker 2: going the distance.

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Speaker 1: But the Wolves Wolves are on the app on the

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Speaker 1: Timberwolves channel via the iHeartRadio app. You tell me rematch,

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Speaker 1: sir as well, I almost still don't believe it. You

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Speaker 1: sure it was not a lot of fun. In any case,

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Speaker 1: Viking's talking points will be part of the conversation today.

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Speaker 1: In addition, the Monday regulars well, I guess well Adam

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Speaker 1: Feeling is no longer a Monday regular. However, Guardie tells

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Speaker 1: me Blake Cashman is going to join the show at

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Speaker 1: about is it five to fifteen? Five to fifteen after

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Speaker 1: Ben leeber So five fifteen? Cashman? Does he know the history?

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Speaker 1: Is somebody told him? Or is he secure enough in

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Speaker 1: he doesn't think we could that the bumper of bumper

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where he comes on and inactive within hours.

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Speaker 1: He's same cricket his neck you apparently, and I'm still

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Speaker 1: feeling it. Feeling also today John Athletic, he is a

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Speaker 1: Monday regular and he will join three thirty. Is that correct? Correct?

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Speaker 1: Three thirty? This evening, uh lots to get to eventually

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Speaker 1: we will hook up with the Brat Shawn Bryan Caffan

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Speaker 1: a text line as well, which is as always six

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Speaker 1: four six eight six. In the history of the National

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Speaker 1: I don't think Washington ever got close again, right, very little.

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Speaker 1: Everything that went wrong last week went right this week.

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Speaker 1: No stupid penalties are few, no stupid turnovers right, getting takeaways,

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Speaker 1: It's thank you for even bothering to pick our game.

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Speaker 1: That's very because it's four and eight versus three and nine,

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't thank you or I'm sorry. Predictions are harder, like

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Speaker 1: because you live in this world and you you know

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Speaker 1: actually I don't know how often the Gophers released what

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Speaker 1: this season? You know why predictions are hard. Tim writs that,

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Speaker 1: three Broncos. He says, Now, I don't know, you might

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Speaker 1: have different information there. Let's get to the first Vikings

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Speaker 1: talking point before I mentioned the speech after the game.

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Speaker 1: I call this the drive. Even though it's the shorter

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Speaker 1: it did set everything else up. So I'm gonna call

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Speaker 1: it the draw.

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Speaker 4: In a second and seven for the four and eight

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Speaker 4: Minnesota Vikings from their own forty two empty backfield, five

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Speaker 4: receivers against a three man rush. McCarthy, he'll throw short

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Speaker 4: to Ben Simms. Ben Simms with his first catch wearing

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Speaker 4: the colors. That's a game of nine yards pete and

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Speaker 4: the Vikings first down, yeah, and.

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Speaker 5: Getting the ball out to midfield. So Vikings win the

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Speaker 5: toss and elect to take the football. So that's cats.

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Speaker 5: I think that's Kevin McCarthy or coach O'Connell trying to

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Speaker 5: put his faith into Kevin and the JJ McCarthy and say, hey,

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Speaker 5: you know we.

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Speaker 1: Can move this football.

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Speaker 5: We need to get out fast, score some points.

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Speaker 1: So here we go.

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Speaker 4: Three for the Vikings as McCarthy goes out of the

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Speaker 4: shot gun we're scoreless. He'll throw lapcock down pitching catch TJ.

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Speaker 4: Hockinson in front of the Washington bench, thirty five shoved

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Speaker 4: down a bounce at the thirty two nine.

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Speaker 1: Yard game first down.

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Speaker 4: Ten from the Washington thirty two McCarthy shotgun. Two receivers right,

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Speaker 4: one left, and it's going to be Jalen Naylor on

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Speaker 4: an end a round speech to the twenty five far side.

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Speaker 4: He's encountered at the twenty four and he'll be stopped

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Speaker 4: after a gain of nine yards. Speedy Jalen Naylor with

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Speaker 1: Second and one McCarthy empty backfield.

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Speaker 4: Three receivers right to left, first down from the Commander's

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Speaker 4: eighteen to four man rush JJ to the.

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Speaker 1: Zund touchdown fold Hey ten.

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Speaker 4: Yard touchdown to Josh Oliver and the Minnesota Vikings have

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Speaker 4: taken US six zero lead.

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Speaker 1: That's just playing three deep.

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Speaker 5: Zone coverage by the Commanders and it was a skinny

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Speaker 5: by Josh Oliver in his the third touchdown of the season.

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Speaker 5: So Josh Oliver has become a pretty good threat, especially

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Speaker 4: Will Reikert for the field ultra and make that the

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Speaker 4: extra point dry. He is nineteen of nineteen this year,

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Speaker 4: fifty seven and fifty seven in his career. Ryan Wright holds,

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Speaker 4: Andrew de Paula snaps snap spot.

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Speaker 1: Extra point is.

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Speaker 4: Good, and the Vikings win the toss and they take

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Speaker 4: the ball and they snapped that touchdown the three at

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Speaker 4: eight quarters in about four minutes.

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Speaker 1: Well done there. It is seven plays, sixty one yards,

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Speaker 1: three minutes and fifty seven seconds. And obviously the next

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Speaker 1: drive went on forever. I think the longest drive they

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Speaker 1: the century, right, I'll I'll take them at their word

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Speaker 1: for that. I don't know, but I actually thought, this

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Speaker 1: It was ball hike to the QB. It's out of

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Speaker 1: even quicker. The next time, it's out of his hands

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Speaker 1: even quicker the time after that. Boom boom, boom, boom,

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Speaker 1: now again, eventually teams force you to adjust, and then

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Speaker 1: But if you followed that drive, which was though you

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Speaker 1: didn't include it because it wasn't particularly memorable, it started

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Speaker 1: a ten yard pass to Hockinson, then a nine yard pass,

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Speaker 1: then a five yard run, then an eighteen yard touchdown pass.

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Speaker 1: Everything was quick, decisive, in and out of the quarterback's

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Speaker 1: hands quickly. And I'm saying to myself, where was that

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Speaker 1: drive in September? We're aligned where we are aligned? Where?

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Speaker 1: And again, I know circumstances change and opponents and all

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Speaker 1: I still think you the cliche. It's one of the

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Speaker 1: oldest cliches in all of sports. Give a young player

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Speaker 1: then he's feeling better about himself, and to me, that's

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Speaker 1: what that drive represented. It was well thought out, it

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Speaker 1: or hand the ball off. Let's just keep moving. I

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Speaker 1: mean we we said the first pass was to a

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Speaker 1: I didn't know who he was. They know, I had

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Speaker 1: no idea who was either. But guess what it kept

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Speaker 1: It kept the change moving, or it kept it put

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Speaker 1: you in position where you had We had no we

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Speaker 1: had no third and longs. In fact, I don't even

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Speaker 1: know how many third downs we had that drive. We

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Speaker 1: had zero drives.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, late. I mean I think the next drive. We

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Speaker 1: did have a bunch of successful third downs, yes, four,

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Speaker 1: guess you get away with it. Third and eight that's

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Speaker 1: still not great. And there was a third and twelve,

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Speaker 1: kind of passed that's it. That's correct. How did we

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Speaker 6: Was that?

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Speaker 1: Was there a penalty on that play? No, it went

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Speaker 1: for thirteen yards, it went for thirty. Yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 1: it went for thirteen. That's exactly a thirteen year past.

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Speaker 1: So the idea here again is I hope the lesson

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Speaker 1: bad defensive team. The differences, you're on the road, it's louder.

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Speaker 1: They're playing for a playoff berth. They're desperate. Washington is

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Speaker 2: Say the thought you had was the exact thought I had.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't it have been nice to have this be one

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Speaker 2: And because it was pretty obvious and I think it was.

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Speaker 2: the first look and going they were making it simple

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Speaker 2: see him go through, and everything smoother and easier after that.

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Speaker 1: Opponent, of course matters.

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Speaker 2: You said it last week, if not now when, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: for the offense to do something, given how dreadful Washington's

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Speaker 1: Can always adds.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense that they did it in

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Speaker 2: of course it's got to get better. Everybody knows that.

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Speaker 2: But it was a great place to start yesterday. And

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Speaker 1: I'm I've been described occasionally as a cynic, and I

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Speaker 1: you know, the message that was delivered by the head coach.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I've reached a point where I wish

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Speaker 1: And the one last night was basically, you know what,

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Speaker 1: you guys could have quit. You guys could have walked

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Speaker 1: You dug deep. It's like what else? I mean? I

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Speaker 1: That's our job. We're obligated to keep playing. I'm not

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Speaker 1: content for not for like with five games to go quitting.

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Speaker 1: So I guess I don't understand why that message resonates

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Speaker 1: you just got to you gotta keep going. Because they're

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Speaker 2: It is, Yes, you're right, you would not do great

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Speaker 1: You're right.

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Speaker 2: The I understand the koc speech and I get what

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Speaker 2: I understand it.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 2: However, when you're pulling it out in early December, it

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Speaker 2: means you're in trouble. It means the season has gone awry.

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Speaker 2: If that's which is fine, but that's that's what you

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Speaker 2: You have to go back to the aren't we lucky

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Speaker 1: Card? That means your season has been not good? I

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Speaker 1: But also I think if you're gonna pound your fist

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Speaker 1: do it against then we have Green Band Detroit back

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Speaker 1: to back. We do at the end, ye, yes, okay

435
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 1: to me, that makes more sense. But I'm I'm supposed

436
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 1: to be aroused by the fact that you you pummeled

437
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,479
Speaker 1: the Washington football team in the middle of a season

438
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: in which they were even had a worse record than

439
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: you on and that you did and that proves that

440
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: you guys are not quitting. You guys are continuing out there.

441
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: You're committed to this thing and you're gonna make it work.

442
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

443
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: We'll see what our next guest, Johnny Athletic thinks. Don't

444
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: forget we got Ben Lieber coming up at four forty seven,

445
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: who apparently predicted in a conversation with Mark Craig the

446
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: outcome right before game time. So we'll get to some

447
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: of that with liber and and then as I mentioned,

448
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Speaker 1: Cashman is a scheduled for five fifteen. A lot of

449
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Speaker 1: good vikings, talking points, many more to get to Johnny.

450
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Speaker 1: Johnny now the CEE Wealth Management is the fine sponsor

451
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Speaker 1: of the Johnny Athletics segments on this program. Amazingly, some

452
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: texts have already come in. One is directed at you. Uh,

453
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 1: the timing by the way of your visit. I mean,

454
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: there's nothing conspiratorial about it. You're off and on Monday,

455
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: but it is it's convenient for you because the hockey

456
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 1: team was on an unconscious role. But now in the

457
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: last couple of games they're back in a tail spin.

458
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: So you never have to be like brought to justice

459
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: for your inability to to praise and appreciate what the

460
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: hockey team was doing because they're no longer doing it.

461
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

462
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Speaker 3: Wait, wait, it's they have the playoffs started already. Clayton

463
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Speaker 3: from you you want that? You want that from me? Dan,

464
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Speaker 3: I'm just giving you what you want.

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Speaker 1: That's probably true, Clayton from Rochester, Dan. How many times

466
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Speaker 1: did Johnny say, oh boy, that's a nice path while

467
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: watching your guy Fernando Mendoza. So much for five in

468
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: a row for Fernando. Now you were I think working?

469
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: Were you not a Wolves game the night of Saturday

470
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Speaker 1: night Indiana, Ohio State? Did you end up seeing any

471
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: or all of that game? You sent me a nice

472
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Speaker 1: text of congratulations as if I had anything to do

473
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Speaker 1: with it. But did you get to see any of it?

474
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Speaker 1: Or were you too bad? Did you just hear about it?

475
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

476
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Speaker 6: No, so I watched bits and pieces of it with

477
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Speaker 6: the game going on.

478
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 3: But also, you know, Mike Conley is.

479
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Speaker 6: A is a Buckeye and after the game, after the game,

480
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Speaker 6: a lot of conversation with Mike about it.

481
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Speaker 3: Then went back and.

482
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Speaker 6: Kind of looked at some of the highlights and stuff.

483
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Speaker 6: So didn't see a whole lot of it as it

484
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 6: was playing out to a few things here and there,

485
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Speaker 6: but then watched back afterwards incredible, Like you know, I was.

486
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Speaker 3: I was legit happy for you as a Hoosier, you know.

487
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Speaker 6: Thinking about how hopeless it must have felt forever and

488
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 6: ever and then to climb the mountain like this. It's

489
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 6: it's got to be one of the more unlikely stories ever.

490
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 6: And that's those are always the most fun, is the

491
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Speaker 6: ones you don't see coming. It was really really cool.

492
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Speaker 1: Yeah, leaving aside that that's where I went to school,

493
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: it's it's it's got to be. There are people who

494
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Speaker 1: believe it's the number one college football story the last

495
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Speaker 1: twenty five years. I don't compare all that many, but

496
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Speaker 1: when you factor in the history, it's right up there.

497
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: There's very few. There have been very few like it

498
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: when we're talking about this kind of reversal. But I

499
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: don't want to turn this into who's your hotline anymore

500
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: than we already have. Let me ask you a question

501
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: on the before we get to the game itself, and

502
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: I want to try to get some wool stuff in

503
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: today too. The question of when a decent part or

504
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: maybe too big of a part of what a team does,

505
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: or what a team release is to the public arts

506
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: becoming formulaic and performative. The example I gave earlier was,

507
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: you know the head coaches. All head coaches do or

508
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: tend to gave a speech after the game, and that speech,

509
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Speaker 1: for the first time in several weeks, because it was

510
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Speaker 1: a victory this week.

511
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Speaker 3: Was.

512
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Speaker 1: One one might expect from Kevin O'Connell. We hung in there,

513
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: you didn't quit, you kept going, You didn't you could

514
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: have gone. I'm paraphrasing. I don't have the exact quotes,

515
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: and I admonished it a little bit because I'm thinking

516
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Speaker 1: that's one I would save for beating a better opponent

517
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Speaker 1: or or you know, in a more important game. But

518
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Speaker 1: my issue is because a couple of people who said

519
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Speaker 1: they played for teams said, hey, man, if you're a

520
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: if you if you're a member of that team, you

521
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: need something from the coach after a game. My argument

522
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: isn't with that. My argument is with why is it

523
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Speaker 1: that it has to be released to everybody else? Because

524
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Speaker 1: I think it comes off then rather performative, that that's

525
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: you're trying to make some kind of a pr point

526
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: as opposed to what makes sense in the locker room.

527
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Speaker 1: Coaches say stuff that I might not relate to, but

528
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Speaker 1: it's not for me. What do you think?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I will say that that has been a pretty

530
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Speaker 6: new phenomenon, even for the content saturated NFL, is that

531
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Speaker 6: it seems like in the last I would even say,

532
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 6: only two years or so, it.

533
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Speaker 3: Just seems like every team now.

534
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Speaker 6: Blasts out the victory speech from the coach because every

535
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 6: team wants to show how excited they are and how

536
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 6: united they are in all of those things. And it's

537
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Speaker 6: just another way of trying to show the fans what's

538
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 6: behind the curtain a little bit and probably a little propaganda,

539
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 6: because your team is never higher, is never feeling better

540
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Speaker 6: about itself than after a win on Sunday or Monday.

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Speaker 3: Or Saturday or whenever they play.

542
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Speaker 6: So I'm with you in terms of under you know,

543
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 6: is there nothing sacred anymore?

544
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Speaker 3: But I don't think there is. I just think that

545
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Speaker 3: anything that is.

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Speaker 6: Consumable is going to be consumed and and I mean,

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Speaker 6: if you want to be really authentic about it, put

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Speaker 6: out the losing speeches.

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Speaker 1: Too, exactly. And that's how do you how do.

550
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Speaker 6: You stay together when you're in the tailspin. But uh,

551
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Speaker 6: that's not going to happen. That's just unrealistic.

552
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Speaker 1: No, that's where I'm more like. That's and I admitted

553
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Speaker 1: this to GUARDSI I'm like Zim, and that means I

554
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: probably can't relate to any of the kids who play

555
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Speaker 1: sports right now. I would actually rather have Zim say, well,

556
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to thank you for playing hard. That's

557
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Speaker 1: your job. That's what you're supposed to be doing for

558
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Speaker 1: God's sake. And they it was against a team that

559
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Speaker 1: quit about halfway through the second quarter. So yeah, I

560
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Speaker 1: would hope that we would at least do we're supposed

561
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Speaker 1: to be professional, but that probably doesn't have a message,

562
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Speaker 1: probably doesn't play as well well.

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Speaker 6: One thing I will say on that Dan quickly is

564
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Speaker 6: just like I do think that Donald's message there does speak.

565
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Speaker 3: To the depths they were in.

566
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Speaker 6: Yeah, previously, I think that everyone was pretty darn worried

567
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Speaker 6: about where it was going after the Seattle game, and

568
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 6: so even if you beat up on a really bad opponent,

569
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Speaker 6: well you've been a really bad opponent for a while now.

570
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Speaker 6: And so that's that's what I took from it, is, Hey,

571
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Speaker 6: here's a coach that finally has some positivity and maybe

572
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Speaker 6: would have was probably a little more worried than even

573
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Speaker 6: he was letting on about it.

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Speaker 1: This text came in not necessarily for you, but worthy

575
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Speaker 1: of discussion. I missed the top of the show. Apologies

576
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Speaker 1: if you mentioned this. But Jefferson fifteen yards, what in

577
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: the hell's going on? He's gonna want out as he should.

578
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: Why does Kevin have to say we're going to find

579
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Speaker 1: ways to get him the ball? It shouldn't be hard.

580
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Speaker 1: Coach of the year. That's from Purple kool Aid is

581
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Speaker 1: tasteless guy. And you know, I'm torn on this one

582
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Speaker 1: because again, I you know, it was highlighted several times.

583
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Speaker 1: The problem you have is the amount of attention and coverage.

584
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: Once again, it feels like Washington said, we're gonna double

585
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Speaker 1: and triple team him everywhere. We don't even care if

586
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: you burn us elsewhere. That's what we're going to do.

587
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Speaker 1: We're gonna take our chances. And I don't know what

588
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Speaker 1: you do with that. I mean, you know, we went

589
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: through the Randy ratio a long time ago and Tys

590
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: got ripped for calling it that. And that's too obvious

591
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: and what are you trying to say? And you're giving

592
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: people the game plan, even though I thought, well, everybody

593
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Speaker 1: knows you're trying to get the ball to Moss, So

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is. I think that

595
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Speaker 1: you know, JJ's got to be smart. Jefferson has to

596
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Speaker 1: be smart enough to know after a game like that,

597
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: you can't complain. You're gonna look silly if you complain.

598
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Speaker 1: But obviously you have to try to find a way

599
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Speaker 1: to get your best player of the ball more often.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you do.

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Speaker 6: And it, honestly, Dan, it feels a lot like what

602
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Speaker 6: we're seeing at Target Center these days with the Wolves

603
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Speaker 6: and Anthony Edwards.

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Speaker 3: I mean you're.

605
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Speaker 6: Seeing opposing defenses absolutely load up on and just saying,

606
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Speaker 6: if we're going to lose this game, it's not gonna.

607
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: Be Anthony Edwards that beats us.

608
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Speaker 6: And that is frustrating for him to go through like

609
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Speaker 6: he does not like that, and so he has to

610
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 6: try and be the good soldier and make the smart

611
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Speaker 6: play and get off the ball and get the ball moving.

612
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Speaker 6: And it has been working lately, they've won five in

613
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 6: a row and all that, but it doesn't make it

614
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Speaker 6: sometimes easier for young superstar players.

615
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Speaker 3: To handle it. Now, Yes, I believe that justin Jefferson can.

616
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Speaker 6: Come out of a game like Sunday when they win

617
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 6: thirty one to nothing and everything goes great, feeling a

618
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 6: little bit better about the situation than Seattle when they

619
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 6: get absolutely blown out and worked.

620
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Speaker 3: But for this thing to go.

621
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Speaker 6: Forward and be sustainable against good teams, of course, they're

622
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Speaker 6: going to have to be able to get Justin Jefferson

623
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Speaker 6: more involved and get him to be a playmaker and

624
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 6: an impact player, because that makes things easier on ed

625
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Speaker 6: everyone from Addison to Mason, to JJ McCarthy to everyone

626
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 6: when he is a force. And so they're going to

627
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Speaker 6: have to find ways to get defenses out of that,

628
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Speaker 6: you know, double and triple blanket coverage by hurting them

629
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Speaker 6: with other players, and then maybe that really does open

630
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Speaker 6: the door for Jefferson.

631
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Speaker 3: But it, yeah, it's been stark how.

632
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Speaker 6: Deliberate defenses have been in saying we are taking eighteen

633
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Speaker 6: out and you're gonna have to find another way to

634
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 6: beat us. In credits to the Vikings, they did it

635
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 6: against a bad Commanders team. Now they're gonna have to

636
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 6: do it against the better Cowboys team.

637
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Speaker 1: They offensively, especially ruthlessly, and I thought very surgically, took

638
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Speaker 1: out a bad defense. And yeah, when I say surgically,

639
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,479
Speaker 1: I mean, as you well know, as we talked about

640
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 1: earlier in the show, might be a seven yard pass,

641
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: balls out of the hands quick, not a lot to

642
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: think about, not much of an opportunity for Washington to

643
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: do anything about it, and also running the ball a lot.

644
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: The question to me on the table, and it worked

645
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: exactly to me the kind of philosophy that he should

646
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Speaker 1: have started the season with Koc, with the with the quarterback,

647
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Speaker 1: and then moved from there. But that's not the question now.

648
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: The question on the table that I want to ask

649
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: you is does Chaoc have it in him to stick

650
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Speaker 1: with this approach not just one week, but maybe for

651
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: the next four you know where, And maybe you add

652
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: a few things here or there. But I'm still not

653
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: convinced that he is able to sort of completely reinvent

654
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: the wheel in terms of this is not the same

655
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: who said this yesterday, I don't remember who. This is

656
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: not the same offense that we saw under Koc, certainly

657
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: under Kirk Cousins when it was going as you know,

658
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: as well as it was, and even a couple of

659
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: other examples. This is a very different kind of does

660
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: he have the discipline to stick with it.

661
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, honestly, Dan.

662
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 6: We will see, because this does go against everything in

663
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 6: his coaching DNA like he does. He wants to throw

664
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 6: the ball deep, he wants to do exotic formations and

665
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 6: prestap motions and and have the quarterback really surveying and

666
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 6: making adjustments and and all of those things.

667
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 3: But it doesn't cater to what JJ McCarthy needs right now.

668
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 6: Maybe down the line he will get to a point

669
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 6: where he is capable of handling all of that responsibility,

670
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 6: but what was made clear earlier this season was that

671
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 6: he was not ready for that. And one thing that

672
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 6: keeps ringing in my head Dan about Kevin O'Connell and

673
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 6: what he has said.

674
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: In the past, very openly and honestly, is.

675
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 6: Most often is the case that organizations fail young quarterbacks

676
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 6: more than young quarterbacks fail organizations. And so if he

677
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 6: really believes that, and if he really is going to

678
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 6: stick to that mantra and give JJ McCarthy the best

679
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 6: chance to succeed, he is going to stick with what

680
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 6: they have done, what they did this week and what

681
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 6: and just kind of spoon feed it to him, and

682
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 6: you hope that maybe week after week, you can add

683
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 6: a little bit more and a little bit more and

684
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,959
Speaker 6: a little bit more. But it is clear right now

685
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 6: that if you give him the whole plate, he's not

686
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 6: going to.

687
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: Be ready for that. He cannot handle it.

688
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 6: And so the best thing for this young quarterback is

689
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 6: to do it piecemeal and to slim things down and

690
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 6: to make it easier and then build from there. And

691
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 6: that's that is just what is required of Kevin O'Connell

692
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 6: right now. So if he doesn't do it and and

693
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 6: they revert to what we've seen from McCarthy in the past,

694
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 6: then that's that's not O'Connell as much as it's on

695
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 6: McCarthy right now.

696
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: It's okay also to use your other tools. I mean

697
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: to me, that's also what was in Caden. Again, it's

698
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: a bad defense that was not all that interested in

699
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: playing yesterday. So you're not getting the final verdict by

700
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: any means, but that's the opponent that they were the

701
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: ones in the in the arena, you know, yesterday, So

702
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: you got to play who's there, and you know, again,

703
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: you've got some running back options, you've got some receiver options.

704
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: Even if it's not going well for Jefferson, and don't

705
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: be afraid to use them. That to me is a big,

706
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: a big part of this. All of that I think

707
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: works towards creating excellence for the QB, right, I just

708
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: I think and you'd like to think that for him.

709
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: And again, I don't know if they simplified the playbook.

710
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: I just felt like his decision making was quicker. Now

711
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: there are a couple of plays where it wasn't the

712
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: first read, but even the second read it was bop

713
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: out pretty quick, you know, on almost every play. And

714
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: so whatever, whether it's the play call or whatever, however

715
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: the head coach is encouraging him in that regard. I

716
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: stick with that for a while.

717
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.

718
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 6: And And like you said, not just the play calling,

719
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 6: not just the Maybe they're maybe the pre SAP adjustments

720
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 6: world fewer and you weren't putting as much on JJ's

721
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 6: plate that way, but guess but you're.

722
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: Also running the ball a lot.

723
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 6: It's a featured part of the offense and not just

724
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 6: something you do kind of out of spite or just begrudgingly.

725
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 3: But it is a central part of the game plan.

726
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 6: And to your point about bad defense, you're right, it

727
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 6: was a bad defense. So We can't make grand conclusions

728
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 6: that JJ McCarthy is definitely back and that everything is

729
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 6: going to be great. But what they did was they

730
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 6: dominated a bad defense. This was not a nail bier.

731
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 6: This was not something that was The outcome was in

732
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 6: doubt going down the stretch to a point where Kot

733
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 6: could look at it and be like, you know what,

734
00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 6: I'm not really sure if this approach was indicative of

735
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 6: of something that we need to do or if it

736
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 6: was just the opponent. They they from start to finish

737
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 6: controlled that game in a way they have not been

738
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 6: able to control it, and so you at least have

739
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 6: to look at that and say it is worth exploring

740
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 6: further and keep going. We'll see what happens when the

741
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 6: when the opponent steps up, including this week, but you

742
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 6: at least have some sort of a blueprint to work

743
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 6: out of.

744
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: Right now, we've got a few minutes that to talk Wolves,

745
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: and eventually the Viking season will be over and then

746
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: we'll be able to, you know, go more in depth

747
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: into your favorite club. But if you could, if you

748
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:39,959
Speaker 1: could pick an over arching story right now for people

749
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: who maybe haven't paid as close attention to the Wolves

750
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: as they ordinarily would because they're distracted by football, by

751
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: other things. What what what do you think folks should

752
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: be paying attention to? What? What is Johnny Athletic paying

753
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: attention to regarding his favorite basketball team.

754
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's been up and down so far.

755
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 6: You know, there's some it's been some close games that

756
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 6: they've struggled to close and things of that nature. But

757
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 6: if you're looking for one enduring theme right now, I

758
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 6: really think Dan it's the rise of Jade McDaniels. It's

759
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 6: what he has become as an offensive weapon in addition

760
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 6: to what he is doing defensively. But he's shooting forty

761
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 6: eight percent from three. Is that sustainable? Probably not, But

762
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 6: you watch the way he's getting his shots. You watch

763
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 6: how confidently he's shooting them. That's a huge thing. But

764
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 6: it's more than just the threes. It is he is

765
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 6: creating off the dribble. He is creating his own offense.

766
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: He is scoring.

767
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 6: Efficiently on high degree of difficulty shots. Yeah, and he's

768
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 6: making it look easy. And he's emerged as a clear

769
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 6: cut two B or three option that you know. Now

770
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 6: that he's established, you say, if that is the pecking

771
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 6: order of Edwards, Randall and Jade McDaniels as a real

772
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 6: difference maker. That makes this team a lot harder to

773
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 6: deal with, especially in the play, And so that's a

774
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 6: really really encouraging thing so far.

775
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no question about that. Are we running well,

776
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: we're not a team really that runs a lot of plays,

777
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: I don't think. But are we running more action for him?

778
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because there's always that thing where

779
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: with him it was well he'll get what's left over.

780
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: He'll just you know, get grab whether it's grabbing a

781
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: rebound or finding himself open in the corner, whatever the

782
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: case may be. We'lln't really run much for him. Are

783
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: we running anything more for him now that he is

784
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: clearly showing a greater offensive aptitude.

785
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

786
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 6: Chris Finch has said that he is calling Jaden's number

787
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 6: more often because he knows that he has to do

788
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 6: that to get him in Jade McDaniel's involved. Yep, Finch,

789
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 6: he is not a guy who wants to be a

790
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 6: puppet master orchestrator that way. He wants the offense to flow.

791
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 6: But when you have ICEO heavy guys like Edwards and Randall, Uh,

792
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 6: it's very easy for McDaniels to sort of be stuck

793
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 6: in the corner not really movie and then that doesn't

794
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 6: do anybody any good. And so Finch has had to

795
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 6: be more deliberate about hauling plays, about orchestrating things and

796
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 6: getting the ball in Jade McDaniel's hands. And you're also

797
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 6: seeing the rotations tweak just a little bit dan to

798
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 6: where mcgannon's seen a little bit more time with the

799
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 6: second unit, where.

800
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 3: He is maybe only with Randall and not with Edwards, and.

801
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 6: So there's more opportunities for him to have the ball

802
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 6: in his hands and go with it and then and

803
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 6: and and.

804
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: Be more of a scoring option.

805
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 6: And so there's been a few tweaks that way to

806
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 6: try and get McDaniels into the double digit shot attempts

807
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 6: every single game, because he's earning that with the efficiency

808
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:41,959
Speaker 6: that he's shown.

809
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: Did you get insight? Did you get a Wally ducky night?

810
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: I did? I did.

811
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 6: Alarmingly pink lifts then looks like maybe but there, Yeah,

812
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 6: I don't know what that.

813
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what.

814
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: That I was in at ten, So yeah, I got

815
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: a Wally Duck. They were good to help the bricking

816
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 2: for chicken when we were squeaking.

817
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: The Wally Ducks. Yeah, sure, because we.

818
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: Got that on Saturday too, and then they went on

819
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 2: like a nine to oh run after the we got

820
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: the chicken, everybody went crazy and then the Clippers I

821
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: think tied the game back up.

822
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: But it was great, epic the.

823
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: While he was there, he was wearing the jersey, right,

824
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: so it was good.

825
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: He got interviewed during the broadcast. I I, you know,

826
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: I wasn't so married to my Hoosiers that I never

827
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: switched over. I saw a decent amount of it, and

828
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: I did see. I did see Wally does does so

829
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: does the duck when you squeeze it? Does it make

830
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: a noise? It does? Okay, that's the point. That's part

831
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 1: of the deal.

832
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: Yep it squeaked.

833
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's it's a fully functional bathroom duck.

834
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: So they obviously that's good to know.

835
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: When did this duck phenomenon start? This is the new

836
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: bottlehead sort of?

837
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: Or is this considered well, this is like version two

838
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 2: of the Wally Duck, right, Johnny, Okay did it way

839
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: back then?

840
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: It was like a remix And I.

841
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 3: Want to say they.

842
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 6: I think they did a KG one too, and if

843
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 6: you remember Dan, I don't know if you remember this,

844
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 6: our guys to go to you know, when he was

845
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 6: on the beach way back in the day, like the

846
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 6: strip was starting to do some videos and.

847
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: Incorporating that, and he did one from his bathtub.

848
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 6: He did he had a rubber ducky kind of floating

849
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 6: in the bathtub and and it was a legendary moment on.

850
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 7: The Wolve's beat for the Goully. The bubble bath was

851
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 7: was was strategically placed. But we got duck there too,

852
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 7: not a wally duck, not a kg duck, but just

853
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 7: a regular rubber ducky And that may have started the

854
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,919
Speaker 7: whole phenomenon, the concept.

855
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: Of a duck though, what what? What's the inspiration there?

856
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: Do we know that's the you know that one?

857
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 3: I don't know. I got to ask around a little.

858
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: Bit, some investigative reporting, for God's sake, get on the

859
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: get on this story, will it.

860
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 6: I'm not sure what, Yeah, not sure where what? But

861
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 6: apparently now ducks are really popular and jeeps. If you

862
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 6: drive a jeep you have a bunch of ducks on

863
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 6: the dashboard for some reason.

864
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: I don't know why.

865
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 6: I don't know what that is all about either, And

866
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 6: but but yeah, that's it.

867
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 3: So cities the ducks. The ducks are here to stay.

868
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: Well getting text. Cities around the world have duck boutiques.

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Speaker 1: That's a thing. Duck boutiques.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'll take you out to take him at his word.

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Speaker 1: All right, We appreciate the time as always, Johnny, we'll

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Speaker 1: chat next week. Thank you, all right. Thanks Dan RBC

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Speaker 1: Wealth Management, the fine sponsor of the Johnny Athletics segments

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Speaker 1: on the Bumper to Bumper program. We got Ben Lieber

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Speaker 1: late in the four o'clock hour, and we got Blake

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Speaker 1: Cashman about five point fifteen. We think as well, we

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Speaker 1: doted devote a lot of attention to the offense. Obviously

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Speaker 1: the defense played extremely well. This well, let's come back

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Speaker 1: and talk about a little bit, because it very much

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Speaker 1: looked to me like this was one of those occasions

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Speaker 1: where Washington had no idea how to handle the very

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Speaker 1: Blitz's none. I mean, they looked utterly and completely unprepared

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Speaker 1: for the b flow approach, and it pretty much showed

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Speaker 1: largely from start to finish. We'll get into some more

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Speaker 1: Vikings talking points as well. There's a lot to get

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Speaker 1: to on the Bowl of Controversies. Involving who's in and

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Speaker 1: who's out. I might want to run that by Guardzie

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Speaker 1: as well. So very full program the rest of the way,

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Speaker 1: don't go