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Speaker 1: Many things to be thankful for. To be otherwise, brother,

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Speaker 2: That's why I love the post you put up on

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Speaker 2: Facebook because always have this inspirational positive message. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's always something positive you can focus on, and that's

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Speaker 2: why I like you so much. You're good man. Jay

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Speaker 2: Rat left and what happened to Southwest? Real quick? Your

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Speaker 2: I think it was Spirit Airlines who was getting rid

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Speaker 1: Well, actually that's West Jets West and yeah, west Jet

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Speaker 1: in Canada. They're kind of the Southwest Airlines, if you will,

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Speaker 1: of Canada to a smaller version. They're premium seats, are

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Speaker 1: seats that we can pay extra for if we want,

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Speaker 1: if you want to really like the premium service of reclining. Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 2: But Southwest just has redesigned their interiors of all some

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Speaker 2: of their airplanes anyway, and they're now switching to brand

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Speaker 2: new Riccaro R two seats featuring multi adjustable headrest, kitchen,

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Speaker 2: going the opposite direction. Didn't they pay attention to making

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Speaker 1: Jay, Well, you know, but part of this is also

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Speaker 1: Because Delta and United reported earnings recently and they were

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Speaker 1: Think that's tempting fate. But that's another story. But that's

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Speaker 2: To do it well, and almost a requirement considering society's

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Speaker 1: But how why reference what I send you? That's mine?

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Speaker 2: No, we'll get to all that. I just like to

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Speaker 1: Fit all the time your show, brother, you lead.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to have to go back and leave

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Speaker 2: Pete Heggsa's flight had to divert. They a windshield got cracked.

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Speaker 2: How does a windshield get cracked? Or is this a

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Speaker 1: So that is the plan, and normally Boeing an Airbus

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Speaker 2: Most notably that it isn't based upon the core function

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Speaker 1: Why do that? You know, any business has multiple revenue streams,

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Speaker 1: As we've seen before.

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Speaker 2: The old CDG. Yeah, the old CDG.

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Speaker 1: And that's what Well, we had no competition at the time,

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Speaker 1: please continue to support those low cost carriers. And at

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Speaker 2: Jay Ralip pause, We're ringing back for a real quick hit.

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Speaker 2: We'll end on a comical note and even though it

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Speaker 2: station eight if you want, if you five care City

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Speaker 2: iHeartMedia aviation expert Jay Ratliffe from the Don't Be That

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Speaker 2: Guy file. We got another passenger attacking crew members. What's

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Speaker 2: this one all about, Jay, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This is a don't be that woman story because this

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Speaker 1: aboarded a Last Airlines flight. It was scheduled to fly

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Speaker 1: and that's all it took that she was immediately restrained.

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Speaker 1: Flight was diverted and you know it's bad when you

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Speaker 1: But then back to my overused comment that she can

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Speaker 1: but continues to be so. So one of these, Brian,

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Speaker 2: It's like our lithium battery discussions from time to time. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Jay Ratliff, let's hope, not hop, lee all right, as

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Speaker 2: we typically do or always do, if we can fit

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Speaker 1: The days of the week we've had to fly. I

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Speaker 2: But what I'm hearing is the government shut down, even

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Speaker 2: though it may impact air travel, controller salaries or something,

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Speaker 1: No. Last Friday we had thirty nine hundred flights that

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Speaker 2: Fair enough, Jay Rayliffe, thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 2: the program every week. I thoroughly enjoy our exchange and

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Speaker 2: the information we talk about, and I'll look forward to

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Speaker 2: next Thursday and another discussion between now and then. Best

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Speaker 2: of health and love to you and of course your

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Speaker 2: better half.

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Speaker 1: Same to you, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks brother. It's a fifty four right now

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