1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati. 2 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: What an honor, what a treat we have today on 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 2: this Wednesday afternoon. Since he three to sixty rolling along 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: a guy that really needs no introduction? Does he Austin? 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: Do we even want to give him an introduction? 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 3: Or just going right down? 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 4: I mean he's been a longtime contributors. Sometime this show. 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 4: He deserves it. He's on Mount rushmore of the show. 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: He's covering the Cincinnati Bengals for Sports Illustrated. 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 5: Had a stint in Cleveland. Who's a Browns. 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: Guy for a while, Cavz guy for a while. Now 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 2: he's back here where it all started for him. He's 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: rocking a beautiful Cincinnati Bearcats hat. He may have some 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 2: information on the next head coach of the Cincinnati Bearcats. 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: Our guy James rpen is with us right now. Hi, James, 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: how are you? 18 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: I'm great. I appreciate the introduction. 19 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 4: I will say clearly you're not going to be the 20 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 4: next head coach because you have your own Sincy three 21 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 4: to sixty. Your name's in the show now, so I'm 22 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 4: not sure you can go anywhere nowhere. 23 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 5: I'm locked in here until they. 24 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 4: Rushmore of this show. I'm shocked I didn't get a 25 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 4: vote on the name. I'm just gonna throw that out there. 26 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 4: I thought I would at least get some input. You 27 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 4: weren't the only one who didn't get a vote on 28 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 4: the name. Also, Tony just clapped for you, which I 29 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 4: don't remember him every clapping for a game. I think 30 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 4: it's because he can see me right now, right where 31 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 4: you guys are doing this new video version, which is cool, 32 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 4: and he's like, man, James is good looking. 33 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 5: I just feel like I. 34 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: Have to pay so much more attention now when I 35 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: do this that I've got to put on a show 36 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 2: for the camera. 37 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 5: Speaking of putting some Bowl games. 38 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: Speaking of putting on a show, how about those Bengals 39 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: and free agency? 40 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 3: Oh may that works? That works, That lines up transition. 41 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: It's it's very simple, because I think individually all three 42 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: moves that the Bengals made makes sense. What doesn't make 43 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: sense to me, James, is how how they've structured these deals, 44 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: how they've gone about in the guaranteed money in year one? 45 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: What do you make of of what has transpired and 46 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: what we've found out over the last couple of days 47 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: and how front loaded these deals are because it's great 48 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: for the future. But the idea I thought is win now, 49 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 2: win in twenty twenty six for the Cincinnati Bengals, what 50 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: did you make of it? 51 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 3: And it doesn't even really change the future. 52 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 4: Like the Cook one, you don't pro rate his full bonus, 53 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 4: and so you save a million dollars in cap space 54 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 4: next year when the CAP's going to go up like 55 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 4: crazy and you already have six figures or excuse me, 56 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 4: seven eight, eight digits, nine digits, nine digits. Man, I 57 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 4: just can't count that over one hundred million dollars in 58 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 4: cap space, right. So it's that's where it's frustrating, is 59 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 4: that they needed a lot. They needed to make up 60 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 4: for multiple years of underwhelming free agent periods and underwhelming 61 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 4: non instant contributor drafts in instant star drafts. And so 62 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 4: that's a hell of a lot to do in one 63 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 4: free agency, there's no doubt. But guess what, that's where 64 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 4: they were. And the sad part about this I was 65 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 4: kind of reviewing it and on my shows on Cincinnati 66 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 4: Bengals talking on Lockdown Bengals, we grated free agency this 67 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 4: week and they had a real chance to get an a. 68 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 4: They put themselves in position to just knock it all 69 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 4: the way out of the park eight days away from 70 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 4: ahead of opening day and really be in a great 71 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 4: spot going into the draft. 72 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 5: They were two moves away on. 73 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 4: Defense, odd take with two moves, and they didn't do that. 74 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 4: The contract structure certainly part of it. Not restructuring Joe 75 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 4: Burrow certainly part of it. It's it's maddening because I 76 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 4: like their moves in a vacuum and it sucks because 77 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 4: then I have to say, but they didn't do enough, 78 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 4: and they had to dig themself, well climb themselves out 79 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 4: of a hole that they've dug into over the past 80 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: three years, and they just didn't do enough. That ladder 81 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 4: wasn't tall enough to get it done. They did not 82 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 4: do enough in free agent. 83 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: Say they didn't do enough. They also have not addressed 84 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: linebacker for this team, which is a huge need. And 85 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: the news comes out that with a couple of the 86 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: linebacker candidates out there, they weren't even really interested in 87 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: those players to begin with. I'll ask you now, as 88 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: we sit here on the eighteenth of March, what's the 89 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: planet linebacker James. 90 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 4: Well, the plan was to get a real dude. And 91 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 4: I think that's the crazy part is like they were 92 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 4: in on kuay Walker. 93 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: There was real interest there. 94 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 4: They at least at one point, thought they would get 95 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 4: Lloyd from Jacksonville. I wasn't as in personally on kuay Walker. 96 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 4: But if it's Kuai Walker or nobody set me up 97 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 4: for quay Baby, let's go it's Quaida. And that did 98 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 4: not happen at all. And that's the unfortunate part is 99 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 4: like you were in position. You had the cap space, 100 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 4: you had the ability, you had the cash. They still 101 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 4: haven't spent as much cash as I thought they would 102 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 4: at this point, and maybe they're saving that for extensions 103 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 4: and things like that. But you had the resources to 104 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 4: use a Duke Tobin word to address linebacker in a 105 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 4: big way and still be open in a draft that's 106 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 4: full of good linebackers. And now it's kind of the opposite. 107 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 4: It feels like you have to have a linebacker at 108 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 4: some point, and I don't like this team when they 109 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 4: have to force it in the draft, I think that's 110 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 4: when they really screw it up. 111 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: And I wanted them. 112 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 4: To put themselves in position to where they could just say, hey, 113 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 4: Caleb Downs is there, Let's take them. That Sunny Styles 114 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 4: is there, Let's take them, or insert whoever in round 115 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 4: two is there, let's take them in. They're not in 116 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 4: that spot. 117 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 5: Now. 118 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 4: It feels like they're going to have to force a 119 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 4: need in each of their first few picks, and that's 120 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 4: just the wrong way to draft. 121 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the first few picks, because this, to 122 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 2: me is the worrisome part. We've always talked about can 123 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 2: you get to a point in free agency that you 124 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 2: can take the best player available. We had this conversation 125 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 2: last time you were on about and you threw Jeremiah 126 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: Love out there, and it's like, Okay, I know, but 127 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: if they do their work, if they handle their business, 128 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: then you can be in that conversation. We've talked about 129 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 2: the name Francis Mauinoa a lot on this on this station, 130 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: and can you do enough that tackle is all of 131 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: a sudden available when it comes to the draft. 132 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 5: But because of the lack. 133 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 2: Of getting the work done on the defensive side of 134 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: the ball, do you take offense off the board at 135 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 2: number ten right now? 136 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 5: I don't. I can't. 137 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 3: It's not in my blood. I don't care. 138 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 4: And it's not because it's offense. I wouldn't take defense 139 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 4: off the board if they really needed offense. Like you 140 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 4: mentioned the Browns earlier, guess what the brown should be 141 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 4: doing considering Caleb Downs and Ruben Bain because they're really 142 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 4: freaking good football players and David Bailey. Everyone in Cleveland 143 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 4: wants offense because they suck on offense. And that's fair. 144 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 4: I get it, I understand it. But you when you 145 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 4: do that, you really make it tough on yourself to 146 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 4: get it right. 147 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 5: I get it. 148 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 4: In an ideal world, the Bengals would get Caleb Downs 149 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 4: Ruben Bain and then they would get a star safety 150 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 4: or vice versa, an interior pass rusher, and then a 151 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 4: linebacker and they'd all be stars in rounds one, three, 152 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 4: three would be great. 153 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 5: It would be rosy. 154 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: You look at their drafts, even in the Jamar draft. 155 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: That's it. 156 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 4: That's where it ends. Outside of a kicker, they fail 157 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 4: to pick and pick and pick and pick and pick. 158 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 4: And that's the problem is you cannot. I was talking 159 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 4: to someone in the building about this last week because 160 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 4: I thought it was going to be even more eventful 161 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 4: than it was, and I was like, you just can't 162 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 4: bank on these spots that you need to be much 163 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 4: better at. You cannot bank on a rookie coming in, 164 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 4: even with the tenth pick. It could take Ruben Bay 165 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 4: in eight weeks. Maybe Caleb Downs struggles a little bit 166 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 4: in that Nickel spot early on. You can't bank on 167 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 4: this guy, whoever you take at ten, to suddenly be 168 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 4: this game changer. And so that's why you address your 169 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 4: needs and they haven't fully done that. So to your point, 170 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 4: is it hard for me to envision them picking offense? Yes, 171 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 4: even for me, it is, and I hate it because 172 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 4: that's the wrong way to draft. Is there any thing 173 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 4: like obviously Al Golden said all this stuff about linebackers, 174 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 4: Duke Tobin used the words attack and use the word resource. 175 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 4: And I'm stuck on the linebacker spot because I've gone 176 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 4: back and I've watched these games. It's horrible. Is it's 177 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 4: not much different than if I was on the field. 178 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 4: And I'm not kidding, and I don't mean to take 179 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 4: that away from those guys, but it's true. What could 180 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 4: they have seen or what could have changed? Or do 181 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 4: you think it's just oh, we added these two guys 182 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 4: and that will or these three guys and that will 183 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 4: make those guys better. How did they explain or how 184 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 4: do they justify the lack of activity at that position. 185 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 3: I think that they would say. 186 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 4: And by the way, I'm just thinking about how you 187 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 4: would put Tony Pike in a blender on a football field. 188 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 4: That's without question, and so that was almost met for 189 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 4: the Bengals linebackers. 190 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 3: But I look at this, it would be Tony Pike's 191 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 3: three to six. 192 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 4: He'd be going in circles, all right, all right, but 193 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 4: I look at the the linebacker attack resource all of 194 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 4: those things and what Al Golden said, and I bet 195 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 4: you Al Golden, if you gave him truth serum, would 196 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 4: be like, man, I can't believe we're doing this. Like 197 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 4: there's some good linebackers in the draft, and we filled 198 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 4: these holes, but I can't believe. And they're probably reserved 199 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 4: to that fact now, like Okay, well, this is what 200 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 4: we're gonna do. And hopefully Sonny Styles is there r 201 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 4: Vel Reese for some miracle falls to ten. 202 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 3: Who knows. 203 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:27,479 Speaker 5: But I think. 204 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 4: If you gave them truth serum, they would admit that 205 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 4: they wanted a real guy there to help stabilize that room. 206 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 4: They probably do believe in Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight 207 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 4: with that same truth serum. But that doesn't mean that 208 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 4: you didn't need a number one, a true LB one and. 209 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 5: To bring those guys along. 210 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 4: And that's what they thought, at least that's what the 211 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 4: plan was with Logan Wilson last year. Then they got 212 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 4: on the field and they're like, Eh, we're gonna go 213 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 4: to Barrett Carter at some point anyway, And they went 214 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 4: earlier than they probably should have, but they did. They 215 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 4: went to Brett Carter and it was ugly and it 216 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 4: was awful, and so how do you upgrade that. Well, 217 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 4: you go out there and you make a splash. They 218 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 4: didn't do it. They whiffed, and that's it. Sometimes you 219 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 4: strike out, that's what they would probably say. But it's 220 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 4: a hell of a strikeout in a very much a 221 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 4: proven year for a lot of people in that building. 222 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 2: So I feel like this then sets up what could 223 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: be a tough scenario on draft night. Say, Sonny Styles 224 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: and Rvel Reese don't fall to number ten, and there's 225 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 2: a good possibility that David Bailey, Reuben Bain, and Caleb 226 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: Downs are also off the board at number ten, which 227 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 2: then turns into Vinsor Delaney, Dylan Theneman, Jermad McCoy's the 228 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: name we've thrown around. Monroe Freeling, the tackle from Georgia, 229 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: has been talked about in rising up draft boards. But 230 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 2: can you really sit there at number ten and justify 231 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: a corner or a safety, a tackle or a wide 232 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: receiver in mackay Lemon when you have all these other 233 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: holes on the defensive side of the ball. 234 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. 235 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 4: I would be calling Jadavian Clowney right now. Who I think. One, 236 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 4: he's hit Joe Burrow a hell of a lot. Two, 237 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 4: just shores up that hole just in case Bailey and 238 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 4: Baine aren't there. There's only two edge rushers you should 239 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 4: be considering at ten anyway. Fulk is gonna be talked about, 240 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 4: but I would not be considering him at ten. But 241 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 4: a lot of those guys you mentioned, I'm like, eh, yeah, 242 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 4: like for nothing. 243 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 5: But McCoy. 244 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: McCoy's awesome. 245 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 4: He hasn't done anything football wise on record in like 246 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 4: four hundred plus days. 247 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it's like, man, that's a tough one. 248 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 4: Uh. Delaney, I think is is being discussed in the 249 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 4: light that he probably isn't his as a prospect. I 250 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 4: think theenemon is intriguing, Like if you think he can 251 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 4: go in and give you that freakish safety that can 252 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 4: play nickel and bounce around and stuff, and I think 253 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 4: Downs is that way. Is theenemon like that too? Then 254 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 4: you also kind of impact right away. 255 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: But can you also sell itg into the fan base 256 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: the upside of a prospect. They had to do that 257 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 2: with Shamar Stewart all offseason because his production in college 258 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: wasn't there. Are you gonna try to sell a Jermad McCoy? 259 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: Are you gonna sell that type of production when when 260 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: you need to you have to hit on number ten? 261 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: Sure you do it well. 262 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 4: And that's why I don't cancel out offense, Like if 263 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 4: Jeremiah Love is there all those guys we just talked about, 264 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 4: maybe Downs, but outside of that, Love is gonna be 265 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 4: as high as anybody on their board, like it's. 266 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 3: And that's why you can't. 267 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 4: It's not in me to be like no, because what 268 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 4: if Feneman goes eight in Sidiq goes nine and Downs 269 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 4: is long gone and Bailey and Baine and Peter Woods 270 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 4: isn't like that for you? And obviously you got Caleb 271 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 4: Banks injured, and that's not gonna he shouldn't be in 272 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 4: consideration at ten. There's no scenario where Love isn't the 273 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 4: top guy. And so that's what I keep coming back to, 274 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 4: Like I wish that there were a Rock Bowers type 275 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 4: prospect or some of these tight ends we've seen over 276 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 4: the past couple of years. Obviously Colston Loveland, Tyler Warren 277 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 4: last year. There's not that, and there's not those quarterbacks 278 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 4: that are gonna go high early, and so the Bengals 279 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 4: are suffering there because I think some of these guys 280 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 4: are worth it. But if you get to that tier 281 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 4: that you're talking about, obviously everyone's going to say trade down. 282 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 4: But I just if you can't get that trade down, 283 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 4: you got to look at it and Tarry, well, who's 284 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 4: the best guy. And I do think there will be 285 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 4: an awesome player there at ten. And that's what I'm 286 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 4: in the business off, and that's what the Bengals should 287 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 4: be in the business of adding awesome players to their roster. 288 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 3: Obviously, what about about trading. 289 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 4: You can't rule it down, you can't rule it out, 290 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 4: trading up, come on, that's the thing. That's that's the 291 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 4: thing that's hard about this, right, James, because the Bengals 292 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 4: should be in the business of doing these things, but 293 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 4: they're not. And so like the way I look at 294 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 4: it is, Okay, well, what based off of history can 295 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 4: I expect them to do? And now I kind of 296 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 4: expect them to draft a corner because they don't have 297 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 4: questions or they don't have answers for that position next year, 298 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 4: and the the extensions aren't done yet, and they've done 299 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 4: that historically in the first round over and over and 300 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 4: over again. But also you mentioned ear if you could 301 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 4: give al Golden truth serum what he might say. Do 302 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 4: you think, because there's so much pressure on the coaches, 303 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 4: on Zach Taylor and others to win this year, that 304 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 4: there could be some animosity created between them in the 305 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 4: front office and the personnel department that hey, we're supposed 306 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 4: to win this year and if we don't, we're gonna 307 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 4: lose our jobs and you're not giving us good enough 308 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 4: players to do that. Yeah, I wonder where the animosity 309 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 4: would be. Would it be with ownership or the personnel department. 310 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 4: That's the line that I always struggle with is when 311 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 4: people are critical of Duke and rightfully so, or critical 312 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: of the Bengals process. All right, well, yeah, Demetrius Knight 313 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 4: sucked as a pick in the second round, even though 314 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 4: I like him as a person, because there's no way 315 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 4: you take a twenty five year old in round two 316 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 4: at linebacker. But but you can tell I'm letting it go. 317 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 4: Is it because they didn't go out and get Al 318 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 4: Golden's guy in free agency? 319 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 5: And that's why? 320 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 4: Is it because they weren't active enough and so, like, 321 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 4: placing blame is tough. But do I think there would 322 00:14:59,320 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 4: be animosity? 323 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 5: Oh? 324 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, there should be. They should have done more. 325 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 4: Like there has not been one person that has said, James, 326 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 4: you're going too over the top right now with what 327 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 4: you want. And I came into free agency saying I 328 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 4: want three defensive linemen, one linebacker, one safety, all starter level, right, 329 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 4: and they've gotten two defensive linemen one edge. They're lacking 330 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 4: an edge. Obviously, they completely whipped at linebacker and they 331 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 4: got the safety. Like if they had just gotten a 332 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 4: high level linebacker, let's say they get Lloyd. Well, now 333 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 4: I can be in on all right, Well, you didn't 334 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 4: address edge because you spent big at linebacker and big 335 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 4: at safety and you had a two defensive line, but 336 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 4: they just completely whipped in two spots, and so yeah, 337 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 4: I think truth cermwise, of course there would be some animosity. 338 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 4: Why are we structuring deals this way? Why aren't we 339 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 4: being more aggressive? Why aren't we restructuring Joe if we 340 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 4: need to for more space in adding what we need 341 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 4: ahead of the draft? 342 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 5: All right? 343 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: So just the simple why why can every other team 344 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: in the NFL who needs to go to their starting 345 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 2: quarterback and say, let's real structure. You put it on 346 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 2: the calendar, make a betting game out of it. What 347 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: day of the year is Patrick Mahomes going to restructure 348 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: his deal for Kansas City? Joe Burrow's open to it. 349 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: Why are the Bengals against it? 350 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 5: Because it's almost like. 351 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: The person not to get like too much into finance, 352 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 4: and it's great to pay for like pay cash for everything, 353 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 4: but sometimes if you're going to get a really really 354 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 4: low low lo low interest rate, it's smarter to keep 355 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 4: stay liquid and go that route and take the loan out. 356 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 4: And the Bengals are like so against risking any type 357 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 4: of future. So it's like, well, why would we push 358 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 4: five million dollars of Joe's cap space? Of that cap 359 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 4: space into the future each year over the next multiple years, 360 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 4: and it's like, well, to give yourself more wiggle room 361 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 4: now that can roll over if you don't use it. 362 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 5: So that's one. 363 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 4: The other one would be cash like doing investing more 364 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 4: cash now. And there is that theory with the Bengals 365 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 4: that they are cash poor. I refuse to believe it 366 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 4: because the way they the NFL is I do not 367 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 4: think that they are cash poor at all. 368 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 3: I think they've been frugal. 369 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 4: For the most of their existence and now they're making 370 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 4: more money than ever and have the biggest star that 371 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 4: they've ever had ever. And yeah, so the why is 372 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 4: is it's how they're wired. And I think it's more 373 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 4: of an excuse not a reason. I don't think that 374 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 4: there's a real reason why outside of this is how 375 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 4: they do things, and this is how they're wired, and 376 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 4: it's because they're worried about that point zero zero two 377 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 4: interest rate. That makes sense if you could get a 378 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 4: car for that, and why wouldn't we all finance a 379 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 4: car for that love of and interest rate? You mentioned 380 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 4: the biggest star that they've ever had. If you were 381 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 4: to ask Joe Burrow today what he thinks about what 382 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 4: has happened over the last two weeks. 383 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 5: How do you think he would respond? 384 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 3: I think he would well. 385 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 4: I asked Joe about free agency in January and I 386 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 4: was that point into twenty twenty, twenty one and twenty two, 387 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 4: and he gave the quote of the offseason, and in 388 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 4: the moment, I was like, Yep, this is going to 389 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 4: be the one we keep referring to. Free agency is paramount, 390 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 4: and you need to find your weaknesses and make them 391 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 4: strong and address them. And you're gonna get it wrong sometimes, 392 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 4: Gino Stone Sheldon rankins, you're gonna get it wrong sometimes, 393 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 4: and I'm paraphrasing, but guess. 394 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 5: What you got to keep swinging. 395 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 4: And the crappy part is the Bengals would say, see, 396 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 4: look what we did. We've over one hundred plus million 397 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 4: dollars in contracts on defense. 398 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 5: I get that. 399 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 4: I understand that you also lost valuable pieces and you're 400 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 4: making up for lost time because your defense is stunk 401 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 4: for three years now and so there was just a 402 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 4: lot of holes to fill. And so I don't think 403 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 4: Joe would be satisfied or necessarily happy. I think in 404 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 4: a vacuum he would be like us and like the additions, 405 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 4: he would like that Orlando Brown Junior is locked up 406 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 4: on a reasonable contract, But does he think it's enough. 407 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 4: Does he look at that defense now and say, oh, man, like, 408 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 4: we're going to be hell to deal with? 409 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 5: Probably not. 410 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 4: And that's that's a tough that's overall a tough sell. 411 00:18:58,600 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 4: That doesn't mean he's not gonna go out there and 412 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 4: I think he can win. Of course he thinks that. 413 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 4: But there are levels to it, and they did not 414 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 4: go to the level that I wanted. I'm sure Joe 415 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 4: wanted at least as much. And that standard is as 416 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 4: high as mind. 417 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 2: If that is the standard, And again, it's one thing. 418 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 2: If we talk about this on a week to week 419 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 2: and month to month basis, it's another thing. And again 420 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: I go back to your point in January, paramount importance 421 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 2: for the team to handle the offseason. How much do 422 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 2: you concern yourself if the Bengals don't address this any further, 423 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: and let's say they struggle next year, how much does 424 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 2: the Joe Burrow and Cincinnati thing become more of a 425 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 2: talking point that everyone nationally already wants to make it. 426 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it'll become a real thing if they 427 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 4: don't win and that's the tough part. I wanted the 428 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 4: Bengals to give Joe no excuses for lack of a 429 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 4: better term, no excuses. Hey, look at this defense. We 430 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 4: filled all of our holes. We added all this talent 431 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 4: and the draft after filling our needs. And in that 432 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 4: where like if the tenth pick is open and you 433 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 4: take Caleb Downs and you've already filled all your needs, 434 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 4: well that's great because now it was just your starting 435 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 4: nickel and you can move around and be this weapon 436 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 4: for you and you have the best safety room in 437 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 4: the league. Like there's just a lot of fun ways 438 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 4: you could deploy him. And then if it's Jeremiah Love, 439 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 4: it's like, hey, Joe, look at this toy that you've 440 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 4: never had a guy like that. And in Bain Bailey, 441 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 4: all these guys fall under the same talent umbrella, and 442 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 4: so they're gonna have to win. 443 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: And that's what it comes down to. 444 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 4: And I think the coaches, going back to the animosity part, 445 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 4: at some point they do flip the page and say, 446 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,479 Speaker 4: all right, it's just time to go win. The problem 447 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 4: is is we've seen it year after year now where 448 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 4: they just haven't had enough talent to go within like 449 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 4: even if you do think that they're met coaches or 450 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 4: bad coaches. There's clearly been a talent issue. And it's 451 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 4: not like they didn't lose talent like Trey Hendricks. They 452 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 4: lost Trey Hendrickson. There are people that just gloss over it. 453 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 4: They lost Trey hendricks in this offseason, they lost Joseph 454 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 4: Osai and so far they brought in one edge. 455 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 3: And so that's that's a tough sell. And so yeah, 456 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 3: I think that's the key. 457 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 4: The key is winning, giving Joe enough to win if 458 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 4: he misses a month, giving hopefully Joe Flacco enough to win, 459 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 4: and giving them enough talent and building a roster that 460 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 4: is sustainable over the life of a full season. In 461 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,719 Speaker 4: so far to this point, while they've done some good things, 462 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,919 Speaker 4: I don't think they've they've done enough to say that 463 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 4: that's the case. 464 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: Before we let you go, James, who do you like 465 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: winning the whole thing? 466 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 5: Who's winning? March Madnus? 467 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,959 Speaker 3: Well you I'm gonna just tie this in. 468 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 5: Uh. 469 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 4: There's one big Bengals fan who I'm sure reads Bengals 470 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 4: Talk dot com and watches Cincinnati Bengals Talk on YouTube 471 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 4: and obviously listens to to locked on Bengals and it's 472 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 4: Dan Hurley, and I'm sure Dan Hurley would love to 473 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 4: hear that. 474 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 5: I'm all in. 475 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 4: I hope you can just rolls rolls baby, So that 476 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 4: that's where I'm at. 477 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 2: Dan Hurley officially off the board for the UC coach search. 478 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 4: No, I've actually at the pot form. There's a chance 479 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 4: I put it like that. I think he likes the 480 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 4: logo I have on my hat. I think there's a 481 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 4: small chance here. 482 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 2: Okay, what's uh, what's the easiest way. It's obviously still 483 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 2: a lot of off season ago, a lot of draft coverage 484 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 2: coming up. What's the easiest way folks can follow along 485 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: with everything you got going on? 486 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 4: The one thing to land in Hurley, you're gonna have 487 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 4: to get that pocketbook ready for your the nil part 488 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 4: of it. Oh, all that NFL money might have to 489 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 4: go to n I L NFL to n I L. Well, 490 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 4: you've got all that money off the naming rights, so yeah, 491 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 4: it's all gone. I had to pay for this show's name. Yeah, man, 492 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 4: whoever you paid to name it, if you need your 493 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 4: money back. 494 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 5: I had a search company that put together the research. 495 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure. 496 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 4: Anyways, you can check it out Bengals talk dot Com. 497 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 4: That's not Tony Pikes Bengals talk dot Com. Bengals talking 498 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 4: the right price in Cincinnati, Bengals talk on YouTube for 499 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 4: the right price. 500 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: Yeah for me, you have to pay me. 501 00:22:54,200 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 5: All right, let's talk. James, have a good one. Thank you, James. 502 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 4: Man, Tony, I'm sorry I have to be the one 503 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 4: that delivers the blows to you, my friend. 504 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 5: It's fine. 505 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. It's fine. I'll accept it. See you 506 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 2: only hit me in the knee. Seapow, James Rapine all 507 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 2: over the Bengals coverage. 508 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 5: Got a giant looking our Number. 509 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 2: Three continues on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 510 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 6: There's no better way to spend your afternoon unless you've 511 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 6: got Brooklyn Decker with you, and you don't Moaggar Day 512 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 6: at three oh five on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 513 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 5: Man Trouble in the Bedroom,