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Speaker 1: Billy cunning in the Great America. Welcome this piece. After

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Speaker 1: when the Tries day REGs baseball kicks off about eight

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Speaker 1: thirty five to night, they played the Cleveland Guardians again.

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Speaker 1: But so many things are happening. And I noticed a

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Speaker 1: few weeks ago that the widow of Deputy Sheriff of

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Speaker 1: Larry Henderson was in Columbus to try to get laws

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Speaker 1: change relative to families benefiting from criminal acts. And she's

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Speaker 1: had certain many sponsors. We'll see down the road what

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Speaker 1: happens with that. And that is Ohio has the Son

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Speaker 1: of Sam law that deals with the perpetrator him or

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Speaker 1: herself not benefiting from the criminal act. But there's other

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Speaker 1: aspects of modern shall always say social media not covered

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Speaker 1: by the Son of Sam laws. And Deputy Sheriff Larry

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Speaker 1: Henderson was murdered honor about May the second of last

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Speaker 1: year at the hands of Rodney Hinton, who was the

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Speaker 1: father of Ryan Hinton, who was shot and killed by

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati police after Ryan Hinton, the eighteen year old boy,

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Speaker 1: pointed a gun at a police officer. And Larry Henderson

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Speaker 1: was a graduate of Marymont High School, had about five

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Speaker 1: Semper five. He was marine. His whole family was littered

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Speaker 1: with a number numerous individuals giving it themselves to public service,

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Speaker 1: and Larry was no different. He spent about thirty four

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Speaker 1: years as a deputy sheriff in Hamlet County. He was

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Speaker 1: on the SWAT team. He was a leader. I met

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Speaker 1: him a couple times over the years. He also worked

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Speaker 1: Tony Pike and their travels thither and fro. He wanted

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Speaker 1: to be involved in everything in life that he could.

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Speaker 1: He was the best of the best. And he was

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Speaker 1: on duty at the commencement services the graduation at UC

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Speaker 1: in the afternoon of May the second when he was

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Speaker 1: targeted for a killing by Rodney Hinton in reaction to

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Speaker 1: watching a video and Jonan you and I now is

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Speaker 1: Laurie Henderson his widow, which is a terrible term. His

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Speaker 1: loving wife is with us now and Laurie Henderson first

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Speaker 1: of all, UH and American people would like to know.

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Speaker 1: First of all, we're very sad what occurred to you.

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Speaker 1: It's unfair, it's not right, it's unjust. They have a

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Speaker 1: person like this taken from you and from the family,

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Speaker 1: a large family. First of all, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: You know, every day is a is a struggle for

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Speaker 2: for myself and and his kids, the entire family. But

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Speaker 2: you know, we we we continue to move forward, and

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Speaker 2: you know that's that's the best I can say. Grief

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Speaker 2: is a is a terrible thing. It's a it's a

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Speaker 2: roller coaster, it's a ride of emotions, and but you know,

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Speaker 2: we we continue to fight for Larry and and to bring.

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Speaker 3: Justice to to.

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Speaker 2: To this tragic, you know, horrific death that had happened

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Speaker 2: to him. And so we will we will continue to

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Speaker 2: do what we need to do in Larry's name and memory.

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Speaker 1: So I see out of Columbus that you went there

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Speaker 1: to meet some of the lawmakers something called crowdfunding. I

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Speaker 1: think some of my audience knows what that means. Other

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Speaker 1: members that my audience may not know what crowdfunding is.

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Speaker 1: And the son of Sam Ax So can you kind

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Speaker 1: of tell the American people what you seek to have

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Speaker 1: the law changed in Columbus?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so, Ohio, some of stand law already prohibits people

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Speaker 2: charged with or convicted of violent crimes from profiting.

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Speaker 3: Off of book deals and movie rights.

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Speaker 2: What we're looking from that is to basically extend the

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Speaker 2: provisions to stop criminals from using crowdfunding to raise money

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Speaker 2: from violent acts or notary so such as any of

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Speaker 2: the crowd funding platforms that there are go funding. There's multiple,

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Speaker 2: that's just one that I'm using, but there are multiple

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Speaker 2: platforms that are used to gather money for families. But

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Speaker 2: we're just looking to extend the sun of SAM to

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Speaker 2: stop criminals from using the crowdfunding to raise money from

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Speaker 2: the acts that you know that they have committed.

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Speaker 1: There's been media reporting that more than fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: was quickly raised for the so called defense of the killer,

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Speaker 1: and that money would go I guess to Clyde Bennett

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Speaker 1: and for other reasons. I don't know how big that

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Speaker 1: someone can contribute money to that is beyond my capability

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Speaker 1: to understand. But nonetheless, there's elements in our society that

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Speaker 1: I think Sidney Abrams is involved in this. She's a

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Speaker 1: former Cincinnati police officer who is one of the co

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Speaker 1: I would ask, if this bill passes, what to keep

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't I feel like, you know, the

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Speaker 2: the prosecutors or people like Clyde Bennett, there's representing.

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Speaker 3: The criminals.

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Speaker 2: You know, they're they're going to find a way to

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Speaker 2: get the money that is owed to them for doing

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Speaker 2: their job, however, whatever means of ways that is. So

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Speaker 2: this is not about denying this this law is not

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Speaker 2: at all about denying someone the right to legal representation.

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Speaker 2: It's just more ensuring that the violent crime, as I

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Speaker 3: So we it.

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Speaker 2: Is not at all about denying someone's legal representation. It's

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Speaker 2: just about glorifying what is kind of the aspect of

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Speaker 2: the crowdfunding, and that is just you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: as the family, as the Henderson family, we are grieving

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Speaker 2: and we have to deal with unimaginable and this all

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Speaker 2: the trauma that comes with it. So to see families

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Speaker 2: of the criminal, or the criminal themselves who did such

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Speaker 2: a violent act, to see it be glorified in such

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Speaker 2: a way, that is what is so disturbing about all

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Speaker 2: of this, and that's what we want to stop.

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Speaker 1: The process might be lengthy. I spoke to a couple

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Speaker 1: of lawmakers who say that bill gets introduced, I would

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Speaker 1: think it would have wide support. It may take months,

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Speaker 1: maybe a year. I spoke to the governor about this

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Speaker 1: he would sign that bill if it got to his

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Speaker 1: Of course, there's an election coming up. And so what

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Speaker 2: They have not given me, you know, the exact number

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Speaker 2: of months or anything like that. They did say that

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Speaker 2: it would take some time. But just as all of

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Speaker 2: us we are hoping and praying that this is you know,

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Speaker 2: that this goes through, because not only our family, but

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Speaker 2: at all. It's it's just apporable and and you know,

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Speaker 2: we need to put a stop to, you know, glorifying

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Speaker 2: what we're doing. And for the families out there that

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Speaker 2: you know, it's youoner rather than later, I should say.

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Speaker 1: Laurie Henderson, the widow of Larry Henderson. Would this apply

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Speaker 1: also to non police officers? So if any person in

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Speaker 1: be that the other side wants to raise money off

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Speaker 1: of it, would it apply to individuals other than police officers.

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Speaker 2: I would hope so, because it no matter what I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's a police officer should not be the only ones

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Speaker 2: as far as being singled out that you know, we

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Speaker 2: are taking care of it. Should any any individual that

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Speaker 2: such a violent crime has happened to, you know, we

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Speaker 2: should all be looking at that as the steam and

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Speaker 2: there's criminal and those violent acts should not be taken

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Speaker 2: lightly and we should not be helping them profit at all.

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Speaker 2: So this is not specific just to the police family.

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Speaker 1: Laurie Henderson, there was an idea, a movement a month

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Speaker 1: or two ago by Cincinnati City Council in order to

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Speaker 1: pass legislation from council that would pay the estate of

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Speaker 1: Ryan Hinton one to two million dollars. I don't understand

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Speaker 1: that at all. The County prosecutor, Counting Pillage, determined that

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Speaker 1: the shooting by Cincinnati Police of Ryan Hinton was justified.

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Speaker 1: What are your feelings, as left behind that city council

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Speaker 1: would pay the hint and family a couple million dollars.

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Speaker 3: If that were to be true.

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Speaker 2: Regardless of the amount, whether it's thousands or millions, or

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Speaker 2: even even a dollar.

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Speaker 3: I think it's it's just horrible.

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Speaker 2: It's disgusting, to be honest, you know, and I'll kind of,

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Speaker 2: you know, hopefully that does not happen.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The exact amounts that have been discussed, or if that's

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Speaker 2: been discussed.

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Speaker 3: I know that there's a lot of talk.

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Speaker 2: Out there right now, but if any sort of money

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Speaker 2: and that's you know, that's what does it say about

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Speaker 2: and the family. You know, what does that say about

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Speaker 2: was doing something at such a special you know, it

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Speaker 2: was a commencement day for you See, what does that

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Speaker 1: Is anyone from a city council spoken with you about this?

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Speaker 3: No, they have not.

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Speaker 1: How about the law director.

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Speaker 2: I have I have not received any calls or anything

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Speaker 1: From the city, including the mayor after a peer of all,

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Speaker 1: he's not called.

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Speaker 3: In respect to this specifically.

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Speaker 1: No, No, Right now, what would you like the American

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Speaker 1: people to know about Larry? Because, uh, I look at

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Speaker 1: his background Marymount High School. I look and join the Marines,

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Speaker 1: his family, he has numerous individuals and public service. I

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Speaker 1: he worked for UC football. He loved that. He loved

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Speaker 1: lowest level of the Hamley County Jail, which is a CEO,

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Speaker 1: a correction officer, worked himself up to being one of

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Speaker 1: the great leaders. When I speak to Charmaine McGuffey about him,

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Speaker 1: or Sy Lease or Sean Donovan, they have great memories

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Speaker 1: and great respect for Larry. He was over the hump

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Speaker 1: in a sense, he had retired. I'm sure that every

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Speaker 1: spouse of a police officer who leaves in the morning

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Speaker 1: want to make sure she or he comes back at

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Speaker 1: the end of the shift. And I think Larry at

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Speaker 1: that point in his life was over the hump. He

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Speaker 1: what would you like the American people to know about

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Speaker 1: your husband, just that you know he.

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Speaker 3: Was She was an amazing man.

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Speaker 2: He was a loving husband, and great father and just

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Speaker 2: and grandfather and brother and son. I mean he had

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Speaker 4: Even beyond you know what his titles were, you know,

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Speaker 5: And listen and try to come up with a solution

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Speaker 3: Make it's better for you? How can I help you?

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Speaker 5: So to see such a tragic tragedy that happened that

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Speaker 5: it's just extremely sad, and it's something that we are

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Speaker 3: But he would have been the first person in line

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Speaker 2: He was that person willing to help, always wanting to

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Speaker 2: his job, his family, he was always someone you could

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Speaker 2: think that's also why he's continued his service beyond retirement

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Speaker 2: is just you know, it's what what can he do

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Speaker 1: Know, Laurie, the best of the best was taken by

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Speaker 1: the worst of the worst. And I know, having been

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Speaker 1: that the days ahead will not get lessened, and that

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Speaker 1: But every day you're and your family, they are chilling,

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Speaker 1: your kids and the grandkids, and the deputy shriff. Community

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Speaker 1: And maybe something good can come from something so bad,

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Speaker 1: to benefit from the criminal act committed by someone. And

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Speaker 1: it's at the end of the day, may you be

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Speaker 1: left only with the positive memories of a life well lived,

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Speaker 1: and that certainly applied to Larry Henderson, or condolences again,

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Speaker 1: anything else you want to.

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Speaker 2: Add, No, but I do want to thank you for

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Speaker 2: you know, for speaking to allowed me to speak to you,

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Speaker 2: so thank you, and thank you to the city of

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Speaker 2: thank you. The family wants to thank you for all

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Speaker 2: It is not going to unnoticed and we just can't think,

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 1: At some point you find peace, Laurie, thank you very

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Speaker 1: much for coming on. And I'll stay and I'll work

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Speaker 1: my small side of the fence, which are the politicians,

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Speaker 1: to make sure this happens. And as the month's unfold,

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Speaker 1: I know the difficult days and the sense lie ahead

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Speaker 1: would have wanted. And God bless you. Laurie Henderson.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Thank you, thank you.

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