Speaker 1: Do want to be an Americano.
Speaker 2: Here we go, come before the storm, so to speak,
Speaker 2: so to speak slowly on seven hundred wls winter weather
Speaker 2: starts to move in. Got till tonight, then all hall
Speaker 2: is going to break loose. So between now and then,
Speaker 2: it's me and you this morning. And one of the
Speaker 2: topics of interest today, at least that I found interesting,
Speaker 2: is the end of dual citizenship in America. I don't
Speaker 2: actually have the numbers in front of you. Probably if
Speaker 2: I were better at my job, i'd looked that up.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Bernie Moreno, our own Bernie Moreno, has proposed
Speaker 2: the Exclusive Citizenship Act of twenty twenty five, and it
Speaker 2: literally is ignited one of the most explosive civil liberities
Speaker 2: debates in a long time. So dual citizenship is fully
Speaker 2: legal right now, but the bill threatens to force millions
Speaker 2: of Americans into a one year ultimatum. So you'd have
Speaker 2: to make up your mind, and that is to abandon
Speaker 2: your US passport and lose your citizenship automatically. You've choose
Speaker 2: one team or the other. No more dual citizens in
Speaker 2: the United States. And we'll get how that works in
Speaker 2: just a second here, But first on the show is
Speaker 2: Augustina Virgara Seed. On the show, she writes with the
Speaker 2: Hill on RCPs, I'll say a young voice is senior
Speaker 2: contributor Augustina, good morning, how are you?
Speaker 3: Good morning, Scott, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you. So let's just jump in. Let
Speaker 2: me run down the list and kind of the people
Speaker 2: aren't following this. You may not be following this entirely.
Speaker 2: So here's what we had to do. Correct me if
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, if I miss anything here too, It'd be
Speaker 2: unlawful to hold US citizenship and any foreign citizenship at
Speaker 2: the same time, and it'd take one hundred and take
Speaker 2: effect one hundred and eighty days after enactment. So for
Speaker 2: future citizens, basically what happened is anybody who voluntary acquires
Speaker 2: foreign citizenship after the effective date automatically loses their US citizenship,
Speaker 2: and you would obtain a new foreign passport would also
Speaker 2: lose your US citizenship if you're a current dual citizen.
Speaker 2: There's a one year deadline, so within one year of enactment,
Speaker 2: you have to choose a renounce your foreign citizenship to
Speaker 2: the State Department or be renounce your US citizenship to
Speaker 2: department of homeland security. And if you don't choose, then
Speaker 2: you by default will give up your US citizenship. So
Speaker 2: anyone who is born with a dual nationality, naturalized US citizens,
Speaker 2: who retained original citizenship, Americans abroad who required foreign nationality
Speaker 2: through marriage or dissent or naturalization, that's what's in play here.
Speaker 2: Did I miss anything important? Those all the facets of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's essentially what the BLOW is trying to do.
Speaker 2: Yes, could you tell us why? I mean, I get immigration,
Speaker 2: I understand that, I understand that there's a concerned about
Speaker 2: who's in our country. We need to know who that is.
Speaker 2: But and I suppose that there's a concern that someone
Speaker 2: who holds citizenship from China or Russia could be working
Speaker 2: in sensitive US positions would be an example. I think
Speaker 2: that's a valid worry. But why aren't we addressing it
Speaker 2: in that fashion as opposed to just a blanket uster
Speaker 2: them philosophy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a good question why this is allegedly
Speaker 3: needed or and why. Now I read the bill, and
Speaker 3: the bill does not have any really substantial destination of
Speaker 3: why this is needed. So the build friends dual citizenship
Speaker 3: as a potential source of alleged conflicts of interest or
Speaker 3: divided loyalties, but the bill never defines what that means.
Speaker 3: Those are essentially just buzzwords that really, if without any
Speaker 3: sort of inclination, really don't mean much. So I think
Speaker 3: that really this is a solutional search for a problem.
Speaker 3: I don't think that dual citizenship of multiple citizenship in
Speaker 3: America is a problem that needs Congress to step in
Speaker 3: and fix. Really, dual citizenship does not represent a threat
Speaker 3: of any kind. And people who call dual citizenship, by
Speaker 3: myself from one such person, I do not have any
Speaker 3: sort of do not represent a thread or anything into
Speaker 3: a America. But you just said that, Okay, maybe there
Speaker 3: might be you know, sensitive positions that require that someone
Speaker 3: being native born, like, for example, a constitution mandage that
Speaker 3: a person who is naturalized cannot become pressed in the
Speaker 3: United States, or you know that requires really you know,
Speaker 3: that that person has only one citizenship. And okay, that's great,
Speaker 3: let's address those positions specifically. But there's really no reason
Speaker 3: to try to impose only one citizenship on the rest
Speaker 3: of Americans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're worried about you know, spying, and
Speaker 2: that's what this is, you know, maybe that would prevent
Speaker 2: that summer, I think you're still going to wind up
Speaker 2: getting you know, sources and the like. I mean, look
Speaker 2: at how many people have committed to reason who are
Speaker 2: naturally born US citizens don't hold those those and there
Speaker 2: are US citizens they are born here, their families here,
Speaker 2: who have committed these types of crimes in the past.
Speaker 2: So that doesn't seem to be good indicator if it's
Speaker 2: a national security issue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, there's really no This is not a threat.
Speaker 3: And like when I judge bills and laws like, I
Speaker 3: think they should pass one big test, which is does
Speaker 3: this bill or this no do they protect the visual rights?
Speaker 3: Like if there a need to pass this bill in
Speaker 3: order to protect the visual rights as or constitution mand made.
Speaker 3: If the answer is no, then we have a problem.
Speaker 3: And I really don't think that this bill is protecting
Speaker 3: anyone's in the visual rights because there's really no threat
Speaker 3: from holding multiple citizenships.
Speaker 2: Right, the fourteenth Amendment is pretty clear anyone born in
Speaker 2: the US as a citizen. We'd have to change if
Speaker 2: someone's born in America, say to I don't know of
Speaker 2: Canadian parents. Does Canada automatically confer citizenship at birth? And
Speaker 2: how can Congress force that person to choose without violating
Speaker 2: birthright citizenship. That's that's going to be a tricky one
Speaker 2: to navigate.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think the bill postes many challenges in implementation,
Speaker 3: and I do think that it's a constitutional because of
Speaker 3: the Fourteenth Amendment, because what it asks, like you mentioned earlier,
Speaker 3: what it asked Americans to do is if they hold
Speaker 3: another citizenship, even if they are native born and they
Speaker 3: have American citizenship, because of the fourteenth Amendment that you mentioned,
Speaker 3: it's forcing them to choose, and if they don't choose,
Speaker 3: then their American citizenship is taken away, and that is
Speaker 3: not constitutional. You cannot take citizenship away from a native
Speaker 3: born American a lex e commit tritism, which not choosing
Speaker 3: a citizenship is not an act of treason. I think
Speaker 3: for instance of like you said that people who have
Speaker 3: who are native born Americans and who have dual citizenship
Speaker 3: because of their parents who might be from another country.
Speaker 3: I always think of this example. There's a you know,
Speaker 3: am rat and Brown, the wide receiver from the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 3: He has dual citizenship. He's American and he's German because
Speaker 3: his mother is German. So we're asking Amaranth and Brown
Speaker 3: and millions of other Americans who are native born to
Speaker 3: choose nationality for really no reason, because it does not
Speaker 3: pose any sort of stress. They do not post any
Speaker 3: sort of threat to America, and I'm not violating anyone's
Speaker 3: individual rights.
Speaker 2: I wonder how this is going to work, Augustina with
Speaker 2: there's countries like for example, Ireland, Italy, in Israel in particular,
Speaker 2: that actively encourage Americans to claim citizenship because of their
Speaker 2: ancestry because of a Jewish law. This would essentially then
Speaker 2: force those Americans to reject those ties. We know that
Speaker 2: the ties and the support that this administration gives Israel,
Speaker 2: that's not a good look. Or do they just say, well,
Speaker 2: unless you're from Israel, it's a different story. Which take
Speaker 2: it very well, and it just waters down the intent,
Speaker 2: whatever intent that is of this particular proposal.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's one of the many reasons why I think
Speaker 3: this is really not going to work, including because look,
Speaker 3: for example, I become an American this year, in July
Speaker 3: of this year, and I could talk half an hour
Speaker 3: about what that means to me and whylusively or my
Speaker 3: life to be an American. But if I had to
Speaker 3: choose between my two nationalities. I can't because I am
Speaker 3: originally from Argentina and Argentina does not renounce the citizenship
Speaker 3: because I was born there. So that would mean like
Speaker 3: if this bill were to pass, that would mean that
Speaker 3: I would have to give up being an American because
Speaker 3: my country of birth, which I didn't choose, does not
Speaker 3: allow me to renounce my citizenship. And how is that fair?
Speaker 3: Like I worked for decades to become an American, and
Speaker 3: I'm a proud American, and I took a note of
Speaker 3: allegiance to this country. Why would someone want to take
Speaker 3: that away from me? And I have literally no choice.
Speaker 3: And there are other countries that also don't allow the
Speaker 3: renunciation of theirs of the citizenship. I think Costa Rica
Speaker 3: is one such country. And those people like me would
Speaker 3: have absolutely no option. And there's people who have ties
Speaker 3: to other countries Israel or whatever other country, and there
Speaker 3: is no reason to make them choose. Plenty of reasons
Speaker 3: why people would hold multiple citizenships because they were born there,
Speaker 3: because of coosural ties, because of tax reasons, sometimes because
Speaker 3: they are American and their spouse and they live abroad
Speaker 3: with their spouse, and they for several reasons referred to
Speaker 3: have that citizenship as well, and there's really no reason
Speaker 3: to make them choose.
Speaker 2: Augustina Virgara Seed on the show She Reach to the
Speaker 2: Hill RCP, is a young voice of Senior contributor and
Speaker 2: talking about Senator Bernie Moreno's exclusive Citizenship app a citizenship
Speaker 2: Act of twenty twenty five that essentially would divide Americans
Speaker 2: a sense that if you hold dual citizenship here, you
Speaker 2: have to renounce one of those, either with us or
Speaker 2: against US. I guess as the mindset here, but you're talking,
Speaker 2: I mean little millions of millions of people like yourself
Speaker 2: that hold dual citizenship, and it's probably difficult enough for you.
Speaker 2: But you recently became a citizen of the country. I've
Speaker 2: seen it. Why Why the hell would you want to
Speaker 2: come here?
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't I? I could, I could say so much
Speaker 3: about this, but essentially, I've been in love with America
Speaker 3: and America's promise and what American represents since I basically
Speaker 3: first became aware of the existence of America when I
Speaker 3: was a little kid, and growing up, I realized that
Speaker 3: America is special. America is different from any other countries.
Speaker 3: America is different from the country where I was born
Speaker 3: and the values. Growing up, I started studying American history
Speaker 3: and American political philosophy, and I realized what an incredible
Speaker 3: achievement the American Founding was historically philosophically, it truly is
Speaker 3: unique in human history. And that is not just an
Speaker 3: abstract idea. That is something that we see reflected in
Speaker 3: the freedoms that we enjoy every day. America is literally,
Speaker 3: and I don't want and I say this knowing the
Speaker 3: full meaning of it. America is literally the best most
Speaker 3: moral country in the world in Founding principles, and I
Speaker 3: wanted to be part of that. I wanted to live
Speaker 3: here and enjoy the freedoms that our amazing Founding values
Speaker 3: allows us to have. And truly, I am so so
Speaker 3: proud of in America. And it's only an honor.
Speaker 2: And I would think that that sediment you just so
Speaker 2: articularly describe describes a lot of people who hold dual citizenships.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure someone's listening right now. And the case
Speaker 2: you just made for becoming in America, which is a
Speaker 2: difficult thing. It takes a tremendous amount of effort. We're
Speaker 2: just born to do it. You had to work to
Speaker 2: get here. I don't know how we could tell someone
Speaker 2: like you.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I know that, you know, maybe not everybody
Speaker 3: has studied in detail the political philosophy the United States,
Speaker 3: but you know, in an inclusive manner, they do. I
Speaker 3: know so many people who are either immigrants to America
Speaker 3: or that are naturalized citizens, and they do love this
Speaker 3: country so much, and they do value the freedom that
Speaker 3: we have, and this is their country that they actually
Speaker 3: chose immignate into America, as I'm sure that many people
Speaker 3: at this point. No, it's not easy to do. It's
Speaker 3: really really hard to do it. It's really hard to
Speaker 3: do legally, which you know is the only path to
Speaker 3: becoming a citizen. And we go through all that trouble
Speaker 3: because we really really value this country. This country is
Speaker 3: worth it. So yeah, it's really unfair, I think, to
Speaker 3: you know, to impose this very onerous requirement on people
Speaker 3: like me who truly love this country.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the other thing, too is the practical implementation.
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, it gives you, if this is an
Speaker 2: acted in past, it gives people like yourself to those citizens,
Speaker 2: one year to pick the United States or the country
Speaker 2: you also hold citizenship in. But I mean, how do
Speaker 2: you even do this administratively? It's not like we have
Speaker 2: a comprehensive database of people who hold foreign citizenship and
Speaker 2: the light we know you have a you know, your
Speaker 2: old status here, But I mean, how do you even
Speaker 2: go through the notification Prouz?
Speaker 3: It seems impossible, yes, including because there is no registry
Speaker 3: of who olds the world citizenship for multiple citizenship in America,
Speaker 3: So how are we going to know? And yeah, it
Speaker 3: would be a bureaucratic nightmare to do that, and it
Speaker 3: would be so expensive, it will require so many resources,
Speaker 3: touch player money in order to just exclude people who
Speaker 3: for whatever reason can't make a choice like myself or
Speaker 3: just for whatever reason do not want to make a choice.
Speaker 3: But they are just as American as anybody else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're talking about a sizeable amount of the
Speaker 2: other element here too, is that. Okay, let's say maybe
Speaker 2: you want to Agustina. You go, okay, I'll be in America.
Speaker 2: I'm going to renounce my Argentinian citizenship. You renounce that,
Speaker 2: But what if the foreign country is simply refused to
Speaker 2: process that or just it's like okay, well fine you
Speaker 2: want to announce. It's going to cost you I don't
Speaker 2: know two hundred thousand dollars to do that, or it
Speaker 2: just takes a lot longer than a year for them
Speaker 2: to process all that stuff. With this, you can lose
Speaker 2: your US citizenship. There's no fault here on I mean sure,
Speaker 2: that's a pretty big do process violation. I would think
Speaker 2: would you agree.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely agree with that because the status of the
Speaker 3: other citizenship has nothing to do with whatever the US
Speaker 3: government decides decides to do. And like in the case
Speaker 3: of like, like I said, like myself, I literally cannot
Speaker 3: legally renounce my citizenship because Argentina does not allow it.
Speaker 3: I will never stop being in Argentinian even if I try,
Speaker 3: because it is illegal. I literally cannot legally renounce the citizenship.
Speaker 3: So what do we do there? Should I these trips
Speaker 3: with my citizenship because of you know, the Argentinia law
Speaker 3: and I never chose to be born there. That's that's
Speaker 3: not right. And yeah, like you said, it can take
Speaker 3: a long time to you know, renownce some some other
Speaker 3: country citizenship, and it might be really expensive and there
Speaker 3: might be you know, may require you to go there.
Speaker 3: Like there's so many things that can happen that you know,
Speaker 3: it's not a straightforward process and that one year deadline
Speaker 3: is really just not going to work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went down think here, because you're talking about
Speaker 2: millions of people here too and trying to have them
Speaker 2: process that would be extremely difficult, I think in a
Speaker 2: lot of these cases. So how much of this, then, Augustine,
Speaker 2: do you think this is actually? Is this just political posturing?
Speaker 2: Is this his bluster? And I mean Bernie Marina proposes this,
Speaker 2: but does he actually think it as a chance of
Speaker 2: passing or just does it to offer I guess the
Speaker 2: core a gesture of saying, hey, I'm getting tough on
Speaker 2: immigrants here in the United States. It doesn't seem like,
Speaker 2: you know, there's a big movement to get this pass.
Speaker 2: But along all the details we just laid out and
Speaker 2: probably countless more make it feel like it's an impossibility.
Speaker 2: Is this just posturing?
Speaker 3: I think there has to be some of that, because,
Speaker 3: like I said, I read the bill. There's really four
Speaker 3: pages and that's not a lot. And I don't think honestly,
Speaker 3: when I read the bill, I was expecting to find,
Speaker 3: you know, a long explanation why we need this. I
Speaker 3: was expecting to find a longer explanation of how is
Speaker 3: this actually going to work, the build laxing details, and
Speaker 3: that makes me think that there is not a lot
Speaker 3: of effort put into actually trying to make this to
Speaker 3: persuade uh, you know, the Congress to pass this bill.
Speaker 3: So and I know there's obviously there's going to be
Speaker 3: if this bill is debated, there's going to be like
Speaker 3: a whole debate and they're going to explain what it's about.
Speaker 3: But like, I don't see it as a genuine effort
Speaker 3: to solve a problem because there is no such problem.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I think this also comes at a
Speaker 3: time where immigration is a it's a hot topic. Obviously
Speaker 3: there is you know a lot of nationalism and rejection
Speaker 3: of anything foreign, including people. And it comes also at
Speaker 3: a time whereas alconom administration has been also weaponizing not
Speaker 3: a citizenship as well. You know, they have threatened some people,
Speaker 3: including el Mask himself, from you know, you know, away
Speaker 3: their citizenship. So it's I think a way of playing
Speaker 3: into this nationalism that is an a vogue in unfortunate
Speaker 3: in America right now. And I really, I really think
Speaker 3: I think this is really awful because even if it
Speaker 3: doesn't pass, but it will not pass, I can guarantee
Speaker 3: you that this is scaring a lot of people. I
Speaker 3: have gotten so many messages from people saying, Hey, am
Speaker 3: I going to have to renounce my US city? What's
Speaker 3: going what's going on? I don't know what to do.
Speaker 3: It's really scaring people. And some of the media also,
Speaker 3: you know, does not do not help because they frame
Speaker 3: it in a way as if sties were a fact.
Speaker 3: But this is just a bill. But yeah, it's scaring
Speaker 3: a lot of people. And I don't I think it's
Speaker 3: actually introducing this debate right now. It's actually a disservice.
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree with. I guess it's it's politics
Speaker 2: is worse in my opinion, it's just more posturing with
Speaker 2: no intent of actually anything passed. But it's a gesture
Speaker 2: to whom I don't know. But I think the country
Speaker 2: is better people like yourself, you know, provided your you're
Speaker 2: paying taxes, you're working, you're educated, you're contributing. That's what
Speaker 2: we need. I gotta go. I appreciate the time. Augustina
Speaker 2: Vergara Seed from the Hill and RCP and Young Voices,
Speaker 2: thanks again, thank you so much, appreciate it. Let me
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Speaker 2: You're going if you're going to the game on Sunday,
Speaker 2: better dress and a layer. I didn't know the layers
Speaker 2: would be accurate. You need a cocoon if you're going
Speaker 2: to be out in that stuff. Anyway, we got football
Speaker 2: on Sunday, and I'm also speaking of football, absolutely got
Speaker 2: the popcorn out. What's going on in Michigan or showing
Speaker 2: Moore their head coat? Coach fired late yesterday, so in
Speaker 2: the morning he's game planning for a bowl game. I
Speaker 2: don't care, bleu. And then he finds out he's fired
Speaker 2: late in the afternoon, and at around four o'clock he
Speaker 2: picks up a he goes to I guess an assistant coaches.
Speaker 2: I think it's an assistant coaches home and holds a
Speaker 2: knife to him. Later, Moore is arrested by police. He's
Speaker 2: in custody. So at four forty three is when Michigan
Speaker 2: announced that he is no longer the head coach because
Speaker 2: there's some interdisciplinary things going and he's a history of
Speaker 2: getting jammed up in situations spygape in one of them,
Speaker 2: but also allegedly involved with a subordinate. Now he's married
Speaker 2: and has three daughters. Also, if you follow this, look
Speaker 2: at social media guys like guy liking all these instagram
Speaker 2: and now, which is fine, but also OnlyFans models, which
Speaker 2: is you know, amateur porn. Basically, this wasn't a flag
Speaker 2: until after they lose to Ohis get throttled by Ohio State,
Speaker 2: and now you're out of the bowl games. Of course
Speaker 2: you have the signing period everything else, like now it's like, well,
Speaker 2: we concluded our investigation and found those guys dirty. But
Speaker 2: I will say, and if you're an Ohio State Buckeye fan,
Speaker 2: you're probably still smiling from the big win over Michigan.
Speaker 2: Maybe not so much from what happened with Indiana, but
Speaker 2: nonetheless you're still smiling to some degree about that. This
Speaker 2: probably puts a little more bounce at your step. Now,
Speaker 2: you don't No one was killed on when it was hurt.
Speaker 2: It was like one of those cases. Isn't like what
Speaker 2: happened with Penn State with Paterna, right, This is just
Speaker 2: someone who can't control himself. Apparently how he rose the
Speaker 2: level and they dad didn't know about a lot of
Speaker 2: this stuff as it was going on too, because he's
Speaker 2: had more than one scandal associated with his name. So
Speaker 2: you know, just watching this whole thing develop, it's going
Speaker 2: to be you know, get the popcorn out, Get the
Speaker 2: popcorn out for sure, something else. Speaking of getting the
Speaker 2: popcorn out, this case, this fascinates me. And this is
Speaker 2: certainly more tragic. So he had this thirty five year
Speaker 2: old man from California who died aboard the Royal Caribbean
Speaker 2: Navigator of the Seas last December last year. Now it's
Speaker 2: come out that he was served at least thirty three
Speaker 2: alcoholic drinks in a matter of hours while showing obvious
Speaker 2: signs of intoxication. And so while intoxicated, he got lost
Speaker 2: trying to find his cabin and became agitated there's video
Speaker 2: of him trying to kick the door into a I
Speaker 2: don't know one of the burths. Security actually had to
Speaker 2: tackle him and subdue him because he's a big dude
Speaker 2: with their full body weight. Had to use multiple cans
Speaker 2: of pepper spray on him and he subsequently died in
Speaker 2: the care of Royal Caribbean staff.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Of course, Royal Caribbean is now at the end at
Speaker 2: a very very impressive lawsuit by the family and the
Speaker 2: estate because they deliberately market all you can Drink beverage
Speaker 2: packages and these they said they have bars in every
Speaker 2: nook and craney to encourage drinking. Is that's why you
Speaker 2: can't have nice stuff, because some thirty five year old
Speaker 2: a hole drinks so much damn alcohol that he's out
Speaker 2: of control on vacas. He has All you Can Drink
Speaker 2: package and this is the fault of Royal Caribbean. So
Speaker 2: in the future, I'm sure there'll be guidelines in place
Speaker 2: to make sure you can't have a good time on vacation.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever put thirty three drinks down
Speaker 2: in anyone sitting. That is a world record right there.
Speaker 2: And you don't wake up and do that. By the way,
Speaker 2: otherwise you'd be dead. I'm sure he's This guy has
Speaker 2: been doing that for some time in the build up
Speaker 2: here to his death, his tragic passing. Still though, and
Speaker 2: I get it that there's a liability issue on the
Speaker 2: part of the server. They should know better, But like,
Speaker 2: I don't know. You're on vacation. There's vacation drunk, right,
Speaker 2: there's vacation. You want to go and hey, I've got
Speaker 2: I bought the package LFG. Let's go drink some drinks.
Speaker 2: But by the time you're thirty five years old, you
Speaker 2: know around that that's when you stay. You know, by
Speaker 2: the time you're thirty even not even out of your thirties,
Speaker 2: you realize like, okay, this is my maximum could pass
Speaker 2: for alcohol. The tank is full. You know where you're lying,
Speaker 2: you know where the throw up line is. Now you
Speaker 2: may dabble in that at some point, you know, in
Speaker 2: your thirties, and go, ah, a little too much, but
Speaker 2: by then you kind of know what your limits of
Speaker 2: alcohol intake hour, and you know it's like it's so
Speaker 2: miserable being sick from drinking that much that you don't
Speaker 2: want to go through it again. By thirty five, you
Speaker 2: should know better. I also point out that a lot
Speaker 2: of these laws when it comes to being overserved, tend
Speaker 2: to deal more with drunk driving, right because you know
Speaker 2: you're drinking dry you getting a car you dry? Do
Speaker 2: you really have that problem in the high seas? I
Speaker 2: mean you drink so much that you can't possibly find
Speaker 2: your room on a cruise ship, which I have. My
Speaker 2: first cruise was last year, and it was pretty remarkable.
Speaker 2: Actually I liked it. I was never a big fan
Speaker 2: of it because while guys like this and you know,
Speaker 2: floating peatradishes and everything else, I'm like, yeah, I'm good,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I did one. It was a virgin cruise.
Speaker 2: It was really really good. It was impressive for my
Speaker 2: brother's birthday. So it was his decision. I blame him.
Speaker 2: But it was a good time and open bar the
Speaker 2: whole thing. But you know, it's like, hey, I'm pretty drunk.
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go lay down, or I'm like
Speaker 2: maybe I'll stop some water right now, get some food,
Speaker 2: and then go ninety nine and then do it all
Speaker 2: over again tomorrow. But most people, that's what vacation is.
Speaker 2: You get a guy like this, it's just gonna screw
Speaker 2: it up for that. For everyone else. So what are
Speaker 2: you gonna get rid the unlimited drink packages now because
Speaker 2: of this guy? Of course you are. It's like, it's
Speaker 2: just it's you know, you get one guy that can't
Speaker 2: handle his business and it's everyone else's problem. Look, I
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Speaker 2: have him drinking? No kalma, I suppose you could, but
Speaker 2: I don't know if this one for me. It feels
Speaker 2: like the liability is one hundred percent on the guy
Speaker 2: who drank. It's like then they weren't spiking his cocktails,
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Speaker 2: didn't say anything with a buffet, but the buffet doesn't
Speaker 2: usually kill people, although maybe I don't know. In the future,
Speaker 2: if you're a big fan of buffets and the like
Speaker 2: and all you can eat scenarios, and let's say you
Speaker 2: do a lot of it. I don't know. Is there
Speaker 2: a precedent set here by this case that you could
Speaker 2: then go back and go, hey, listen, you know all
Speaker 2: those years that I was on a first name basis
Speaker 2: with the servers and the bus boys at the buffet, Well,
Speaker 2: I have congestive heart failure. In ours, there's although eating
Speaker 2: as much as I possibly could. So you know that's
Speaker 2: not my fault. Now, that's the buffet's fault. Whoever's making
Speaker 2: the foot I mean, or that just one step away
Speaker 2: from a lawsuit like that, in my opinion, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I like to be empathetic with people, and especially in
Speaker 2: tragedies like this. I gotta be honest with this. One's
Speaker 2: impossible for me. Like at a bar, when you go
Speaker 2: out it's drinking and driving. I get that there's a responsibility
Speaker 2: and part of the server to make sure you're not overserved,
Speaker 2: because you can get behind the wheel and kill someone.
Speaker 2: In this case, you overserve someone, you're just gonna kill yourself.
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Speaker 7: Do you want to be an American?
Speaker 2: I love that on seven hundreds WLW immigration fights that
Speaker 2: we're needy thinks and lots of fights including into get
Speaker 2: illegals out, keep the legals ten. But who out of
Speaker 2: that long line gets in? Who stays? Maybe a better
Speaker 2: question of who is rather than maybe how many? And
Speaker 2: should the US admit them through reform and immigration system?
Speaker 2: Who should get in? At this point? Also adding to this,
Speaker 2: today we have Bernie Moreno or own Bernie Morener from Ohio,
Speaker 2: his proposals to end dual citizenship. You got to pick
Speaker 2: one or the other. You can't have both. So the
Speaker 2: Manhattan Institute their think tank, and they studied a ten
Speaker 2: and thirty year impacts of dozens of our nation's immigration
Speaker 2: policies over the years and categorize immigrants on tax revenue
Speaker 2: Federal spending GDP, population, who gives us a benefit? In
Speaker 2: who takes away? With the answers Daniel de Martino of
Speaker 2: the Manhattan and Suit where he's a fellow, Daniel, welcome
Speaker 2: to show. How are you very good?
Speaker 8: Thank you for having me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you find that if you're younger and you're educated,
Speaker 2: you have an advanced degree, those people generate large fiscal surpluses.
Speaker 2: They expand the economy. If you're low skilled, you tend
Speaker 2: to get more benefits than they contribute in taxes. That
Speaker 2: is the bottom line. And there's some other things we're
Speaker 2: going to get into here, but essentially that's the core
Speaker 2: of this thing. Is that's really that surprising.
Speaker 8: Is it?
Speaker 7: It is not because we have a progressive tax system
Speaker 7: and we have a welfare system that gives benefits to
Speaker 7: people based on how little they make.
Speaker 8: Right, So if you bring in a lot of.
Speaker 7: Four people or elderly people that will receive entitlements, then
Speaker 7: those people will be ennect cost to the federal government.
Speaker 8: That's a no brainer.
Speaker 2: So why does the college you're going to make such
Speaker 2: a vast efforence You're talking millions of dollars in that
Speaker 2: one person's financial impact, and of course the lodge. What's
Speaker 2: driving that gap?
Speaker 7: Yeah, a lot of people tell me, but you know,
Speaker 7: a college degree is and all you need, and like,
Speaker 7: of course these are all averages. This doesn't mean that
Speaker 7: there are aren't immigrants or high.
Speaker 8: School dropouts that do better.
Speaker 7: Right there are many college dropouts that create a big company,
Speaker 7: but that doesn't mean that that's the most.
Speaker 8: Common case, right.
Speaker 7: And you also have to understand that for immigrants, college
Speaker 7: degrees mean much more than for native born Americans. A
Speaker 7: college degree in a foreign country is a much rarer
Speaker 7: thing to have than in America. And so when you
Speaker 7: bring in people discriminating by education instead of anything else,
Speaker 7: you can assure yourself that that person.
Speaker 8: Comes from a much more eld background.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you know, we have countless
Speaker 2: people who have college degrees that complain they can't find
Speaker 2: a job in their chosen field and they have a
Speaker 2: degree and go, okay, great, I can't service the loan
Speaker 2: that I took out to get that degree, and I'm
Speaker 2: doing something I don't want to do, and I never
Speaker 2: see myself getting ahead. And yet immigrants come to this
Speaker 2: country and succeed and contribute to the GDP. Is it
Speaker 2: about degree choice? Are we talking about specific degrees here
Speaker 2: and not just a degree?
Speaker 7: Well, it's true that immigrants do, you specialize, like the
Speaker 7: immigrants that are sponsored to come in fields that are
Speaker 7: even more highly paid, so like medicine, stam areas. And
Speaker 7: also they just have an even.
Speaker 8: Higher education and go to different universities.
Speaker 7: Right, So you know, people talk about like people who
Speaker 7: graduate from the US University's Americans who get an a
Speaker 7: STEM degree, but it's an underground degree, you know, that
Speaker 7: counts biology, that counts like a regular engineering degree. And
Speaker 7: if you're competing against people who have a master's degree
Speaker 7: or a PhD, I mean, obviously you can't get the
Speaker 7: job that you want. And then you also have the
Speaker 7: other fact, which is inmigrant start businesses, so they expand
Speaker 7: the economy that way, the average immigrant does not look
Speaker 7: like the average person in that country. And then there's
Speaker 7: a lot of people who tell me, well, they but
Speaker 7: we want to keep those jobs for Americans, right, like
Speaker 7: we don't want them to replace the native born college
Speaker 7: graduates who are seeking opportunities. And that's just not how
Speaker 7: the labor market works. When you have more people in
Speaker 7: the labor market, you don't have the same number of jobs.
Speaker 7: There are relative wage effects, that is true, but because
Speaker 7: immigrants also you know, at the highly educated level, you know,
Speaker 7: people like you look Musk who came on a twenty
Speaker 7: visis or people like Jensen Huang, they end up also
Speaker 7: increasing productivity and wages for people who are college educated.
Speaker 2: Dan, you found it. The fifty year old immigrant looks
Speaker 2: great for the budget in year ten, so they immigrant
Speaker 2: by the time they say, okay, thanks for great to productive,
Speaker 2: but by year thirty it's terrible. Child immigrant the exact opposite.
Speaker 2: It tends to be a net gain for this country.
Speaker 2: So in that regard, shouldn't we be encouraging things like
Speaker 2: doc and can you walk? Can you walk through us?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 2: Why that that flip happens?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I did these estimates on a ten and
Speaker 7: thirty year basis before I have done them last year
Speaker 7: on a lifetime basis. And the reason I switched to
Speaker 7: ten in thirty years is because of Congress. When they
Speaker 7: pass legislation, the Congressional Budget Office only cares about the
Speaker 7: ten year budget window and then secondarily.
Speaker 8: About the thirty year budget window.
Speaker 7: So when they're deciding to park legislation.
Speaker 8: They need this estimates like I made it.
Speaker 7: And so that's a problem though, because you're right, a
Speaker 7: fifty year old immigrant on an average will look good
Speaker 7: over the next ten years, because it's going to be
Speaker 7: from the age of fifty to age of sixty. And
Speaker 7: I'm an immigrant who is ten years old. A child
Speaker 7: that comes with a family is going to look bad
Speaker 7: because it's not when I work from age ten to twenty.
Speaker 7: So that shifts over the third year window because then
Speaker 7: the older immigrant is going to collect security and Medicare
Speaker 7: and the young emion.
Speaker 8: Is going to start working.
Speaker 7: So people need to keep that in mind and understand
Speaker 7: these are averages and if you want to benefit the
Speaker 7: budget in the long run, you need younger people and
Speaker 7: you need more educated people.
Speaker 2: To Danield Martina Manhattan Institute breaking a study here of
Speaker 2: ten and thirty year impacts of immigration, and the bottom
Speaker 2: line is that education drives cyscal impact, but age matters
Speaker 2: a lot too, that young immigrants look costly in the
Speaker 2: short term but benefits in the long term. Middle aged
Speaker 2: immigrants show the opposite because they get the retirement benefits,
Speaker 2: and that the flip that's going on here. Let me
Speaker 2: pivot to the H one visa debate that has become
Speaker 2: pretty controversial right with wanting to charge money and charging
Speaker 2: literally a small fortune to get that H one B.
Speaker 2: Some say it's essential or they say, well, we should
Speaker 2: just eliminate this thing. What is your data show?
Speaker 7: Well, the H one B, regardless of what people think,
Speaker 7: they based on the characteristics of the people who come
Speaker 7: on H one ds, they are the ones that pay
Speaker 7: the most taxes and receive the least government benefits of
Speaker 7: any desa category. And so if you are a conservative
Speaker 7: and you're like like myself and think, you know, what
Speaker 7: kind of immigrant do you want to come to America?
Speaker 7: Do you want an immigrant who does not depend on
Speaker 7: the government, who speaks English, who have a job, who
Speaker 7: there's not coming crimes, and who you know, adopts American customs.
Speaker 7: And if that's the case, then immigrants to come on
Speaker 7: H one visas are an imedial immigrant. That doesn't mean
Speaker 7: that it's a perfect system.
Speaker 8: Right, it's a lottery.
Speaker 7: So you don't want to distribute the spot on a
Speaker 7: lottery but instead based on perhaps something more meritorious. But
Speaker 7: even then the system is better than any other visa
Speaker 7: problem that we have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see a lot of communities are changing because
Speaker 2: of H one B workers and they bring a tremendous
Speaker 2: amount of money to the show. Now the other side
Speaker 2: of this, and someone casual listening go, Okay, you got
Speaker 2: this guy from Manhattan and Daniel de Martino who wants
Speaker 2: educated people with advanced degrees because they bring a small
Speaker 2: fortune and massive fortune and even small fortune to the country,
Speaker 2: could help balance the deficit and do all these wonderful things.
Speaker 2: They don't drain the system, and they're paying the taxes,
Speaker 2: and that's helping older people. And that's all well and good.
Speaker 2: But does this simply mean that we don't need anyone
Speaker 2: who's not educated in America, We don't need that immigrant labor,
Speaker 2: that we don't need people at the low end of
Speaker 2: the trump.
Speaker 7: Well, America has a program called the H two A
Speaker 7: and the H two V VISA programs. The H two
Speaker 7: A is seasonal agricultural labor. Now, even though those are
Speaker 7: on you know people who generally don't have a high
Speaker 7: school diploma that are working in farms for low wages.
Speaker 7: The reality is that we didn't have them, the farms
Speaker 7: would shut down. It would be too expensive to farm
Speaker 7: in America. We would just import the food from other countries.
Speaker 7: But we cannot import everything like we cannot import a
Speaker 7: hair card because you have to do it in person.
Speaker 7: But we can import every agricultural product. So the advantage
Speaker 7: is that, yes, you keep that industry here, you create
Speaker 7: jobs for Americans and agriculture as well.
Speaker 8: And then the second it's seasonal. So these immigrants never stay.
Speaker 7: They leave after a season or two, and so they
Speaker 7: never collect government benefits. That is okay to have. What
Speaker 7: you cannot have is allowing people who make very little
Speaker 7: money to immigrate permanently to the United States, because if
Speaker 7: they do, the math is that they will simply grower debt.
Speaker 2: Well, I get the agriculture element, because that's a national
Speaker 2: security issue. We can't farm out all of our food.
Speaker 2: We could be starved to death, right and quite honestly,
Speaker 2: it'd be a waste because of we're the world's bread
Speaker 2: basket here in the United States of America, produce a
Speaker 2: lot of corn, soybeing et cetera, et cetera. But on
Speaker 2: the regard that there's jobs that aren't in the farm
Speaker 2: fields whatsoever, that are Americans going to fill that void?
Speaker 2: I mean working in a I don't know, a meat
Speaker 2: processing plant, for example, or something along those lines, where
Speaker 2: it's physical labor, building houses work, doing roof jobs and
Speaker 2: construction and dry wall and landscaping. Those are necessary jobs,
Speaker 2: it seemingly, and I know a little bit about this
Speaker 2: immigrant labor. If you completely got rid of that, it
Speaker 2: ceased to exist. I get that they you know, they
Speaker 2: live here, but they a lot of them go and
Speaker 2: start their own business too. There's got to be a
Speaker 2: carve out for that, right because let's face it, there
Speaker 2: are jobs out there we don't want our kids to
Speaker 2: take well.
Speaker 7: So the thing is that we just would change, even
Speaker 7: in agriculture would change if you didn't have immigrant workers,
Speaker 7: then we just would increase. The problem is that for
Speaker 7: them cultural industry, it would just end the industry, right
Speaker 7: that we were just import the food. But that's not
Speaker 7: the key and the same thing first for example tech,
Speaker 7: if we didn't have highly educated workers, what the tech
Speaker 7: industry has is that they opened in an office in
Speaker 7: Canada and then they do everything from there because everything's remote.
Speaker 8: So you would rather have those resources here.
Speaker 7: But the issue with other things like construction is that
Speaker 7: you would still have construction, it would just be at
Speaker 7: a higher price that even then, most of the cost
Speaker 7: of housing has nothing to do with construction and everything
Speaker 7: to do with materials. So you know, the tiers are
Speaker 7: harming or sony laws which we can change, so we
Speaker 7: don't really need or it wouldn't really be beneficial to
Speaker 7: have a lot of immigrants, low paid coming for construction
Speaker 7: because they will receive with just a lot of welfare. Alternatively,
Speaker 7: you could still have a guest worker program that is seasonal,
Speaker 7: ensuring that people go back and never stay permanently and
Speaker 7: collect entitlements.
Speaker 2: Dani and De Martino the Manhattan Institute on Immigration this
Speaker 2: morning on seven hundred WL do up. So we talked
Speaker 2: about younger educated immigrants and advanced degrees a huge boondad economy.
Speaker 2: We need more of them employment based high skilled visa
Speaker 2: holders net benefit there as well. What about extended family.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the extended relatives, which are most of the immigrants
Speaker 7: coming to America. They come with very little English proficiency,
Speaker 7: you know, medium to low levels of education, and they
Speaker 7: end up receiving more government benefits than taxes they pay.
Speaker 7: This is why my proposal to how we should change
Speaker 7: the imigration system is simply we take in all these
Speaker 7: extended relative pieces and we just give them out based
Speaker 7: on whether immigrants have a good English, whether they have
Speaker 7: a good education, whether they're young, whether they.
Speaker 8: Have a job offer in the United States.
Speaker 7: And then that's how the labor market come through the gap,
Speaker 7: you know, without picking winners and losers. And then the
Speaker 7: employment based business that we already have who just ranking
Speaker 7: them to the highest paid instead without care of the profession.
Speaker 7: You know, it's not about education, it's about who pays
Speaker 7: the most. If you are sponsoring a carpenter who's like
Speaker 7: incredible and he's getting paid one hundred and fifty k,
Speaker 7: then bring in that carpenter, right, that's the market showing
Speaker 7: its signal through the price.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense that when the family comes along,
Speaker 2: it's different. But how many immigrants will that dissuade from
Speaker 2: coming to the United States if they can't bring their
Speaker 2: their wife, their kids, significant others. What are your mom
Speaker 2: or day.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying anything about wife and children. I'm just
Speaker 7: saying eliminate the sibling category, the adults children category, who
Speaker 7: together they bring in one hundred and thirty one thousand people.
Speaker 7: You might say, well then, but people want to bring
Speaker 7: in their siblings or their adults children, the religion that
Speaker 7: they can't anymore anyway because the system, the family system
Speaker 7: already existing is so backlog that it takes twenty years.
Speaker 7: It's the same of the didn't exist. We need to
Speaker 7: get rid of it and give it based from marriage instead.
Speaker 7: In fact, you seem it more fair because if you're
Speaker 7: an imaiger living in State of Philippines and you don't
Speaker 7: have a relative in the US.
Speaker 8: When you're out of lack, you can't come.
Speaker 7: And no matter how educated you that, no matter how
Speaker 7: great you are, under a system based on your characteristics,
Speaker 7: you are not dependent on the law of how in
Speaker 7: a relative in America you come to a minuit and.
Speaker 2: Am of that. You mentioned the backlog, the tremendous backlog
Speaker 2: which encourages illegal immigration here. I mean, if you have
Speaker 2: to wait twenty years, fifteen twenty years for your case
Speaker 2: of here and possibly get at that point, why wouldn't
Speaker 2: you if you're coming from such an impoverished and most
Speaker 2: dangerous part of the world, I take my chances and
Speaker 2: slip across the border, fire them. It's a matter between
Speaker 2: life and death. Who's got fifteen twenty years to wait
Speaker 2: for you're allowed to come to the United States of America.
Speaker 2: This would cut that down, I would it.
Speaker 7: Yes, I think I would reduce the incentive. But at
Speaker 7: the same time, we if I've learned that if the
Speaker 7: president wants to, they can secure the border. And President
Speaker 7: Tarump has also not necessarily as important.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got a government that can't function. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're not functioning right now as we speak. As you know, Danielle,
Speaker 2: what's the political feasibility of this thing? You have to
Speaker 2: do some tremendous coalition building just to have someone hear
Speaker 2: this whole thing between family visa cuts and legalization with
Speaker 2: fees and deportations and all that stuff. It's a messy proposition.
Speaker 2: In reality, politics doesn't work that way.
Speaker 7: So absolutely they're all saying President Trump with the funding
Speaker 7: that he got from the one big beautiful bill for deportations,
Speaker 7: and how that's drunk enough. And hopefully, you know, soon
Speaker 7: we will know what the legality of the DACAP program
Speaker 7: from the Supreme Courts. I think those two factors combine
Speaker 7: the fact that we already get done with the tax
Speaker 7: cuts and the spending debates and instead now it's probably
Speaker 7: going to go to another topic. Then that topic might
Speaker 7: be immigration. I think Trump has built leverage with the
Speaker 7: funding he got for the deportations. I mean, the Democrats
Speaker 7: were smart, and it would come to the negotiating table,
Speaker 7: right because you need sixty votes in the Senate to
Speaker 7: pass anything.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's not budget related.
Speaker 7: So if the Democrats say, you know, we negotiate, we
Speaker 7: can legalize some people. Yes, the school will reduce finally
Speaker 7: immigration and we will bring in more high school immigrants.
Speaker 8: But if they.
Speaker 7: Don't negotiate, then maybe a million more people get deported.
Speaker 7: So we will know how much they really care about
Speaker 7: that very.
Speaker 2: Soon, Dana da Martini. You analyze this. You looked at
Speaker 2: ten and thirty year impacts of literally dozens of immigration
Speaker 2: policy US has had and categorizing the immigrants on tax
Speaker 2: revenue and population GDP, federal spending and all that. If
Speaker 2: this were to come to fruition and we did it
Speaker 2: the way you suggest here, what are we looking at
Speaker 2: as far as a savings relative to the national debt?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So under my plan, which would just shift immigrant
Speaker 7: research towards more highly educated categories with a chaining the
Speaker 7: immigrant flow very much, actually reducing it a little bit,
Speaker 7: and then legalizing the people who are here legally as
Speaker 7: long as they pay without wags to citizenship, but allowing
Speaker 7: them to work in state as long as they pay
Speaker 7: five thousand dollars a year for ten years of fifty
Speaker 7: k to reduce the debt and they obviously they are
Speaker 7: not criminals. All that that will reduce the national debt
Speaker 7: from its current trajectory by twenty trillion dollars over thirty years,
Speaker 7: it will reduce or essentially over the long run, it
Speaker 7: would even stabilize or debt to gdpuration. That is important
Speaker 7: because it means we don't to cut some security or
Speaker 7: raise access. We pursue radical immigration reform right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other element here too, of course is
Speaker 2: unauthorized legal immigrants. But you're saying, charging five thousand dollars
Speaker 2: a year for X number of years and that would
Speaker 2: reduce the debt and they're burden on the system. But
Speaker 2: how realistic is that to actually.
Speaker 7: Execute the people who don't pay it, Then they are
Speaker 7: the fine targets for deportation because it means that they're
Speaker 7: not willing to pay it under stealer of them.
Speaker 8: So they're much easier to the.
Speaker 2: Very interesting in that literally would take her. It's of course,
Speaker 2: you know, then we're back to the political questions because
Speaker 2: Democrats had scream about fairness and these people don't have
Speaker 2: much alriting and they can't afford five thousand dollars is
Speaker 2: to shake down. But you know, at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, we're all paying for this.
Speaker 7: Danield Martin, Yeah, America is not supposed to be the welfare.
Speaker 8: State of the world.
Speaker 7: Right if you do not sustain yourself. I'm baibish after
Speaker 7: you wrote the law. It seems like a really reasonable
Speaker 7: penalty that would benefit the nation.
Speaker 2: Seems like five grand to make this go away. Isn't
Speaker 2: that big an ass, I'll be honest with you. Daniel
Speaker 2: Dee Martino at the Manhattan Institute, thanks so much for
Speaker 2: the time. Really interesting. Thank you appreciate the time. Got
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Speaker 2: I got the new track suit, I got I got
Speaker 2: a phone, holdster, I got towels, I got matching shoes,
Speaker 2: I got a yoga man. Well, LFG, let's go, and
Speaker 2: then by day three you're like, the hell with this,
Speaker 2: it hurts too much, I'm out of here. It's exactly it.
Speaker 10: There's actually a quitting day, I think, if I remember correctly,
Speaker 10: it's like January nineteenth every year where the most number
Speaker 10: of people drop off their new habits. And it's it's
Speaker 10: just predictable because of that reason. Like you you get
Speaker 10: really excited and then it just.
Speaker 2: My overrider always was no matter. It's like it's, you know,
Speaker 2: whatever the sport is, whatever the exercise is, like it
Speaker 2: was always mouth Luther King Day, like MLKD. That's like
Speaker 2: right around there is to break even point. Like if
Speaker 2: you hang around after that, you're probably gonna be here
Speaker 2: for a while. Yep. But you just see so many
Speaker 2: people out the first couple of weeks. Just that's it
Speaker 2: totally goes hard. Man, it sucks.
Speaker 10: It is hard because you know, one it's changed too.
Speaker 10: It's a it's a great time of the year because
Speaker 10: it's a new start in new beginnings, and they've actually
Speaker 10: done studies on that as far as like beginning of
Speaker 10: a week, beginning of a month, that's when you want
Speaker 10: to start a new habit, or the beginning of a
Speaker 10: year as well.
Speaker 2: It just it feels like a new berth for you.
Speaker 10: But it is hard because it's changed ultimately, and our
Speaker 10: bodies and our minds don't like change. So you know,
Speaker 10: setting that up for success is the most important.
Speaker 2: And it takes, by the way, how long to develop
Speaker 2: for something to become a habit from a pattern to
Speaker 2: become a habit? Yea, it depends who you read.
Speaker 10: It's it's thirty days, ninety days, I mean, it all varies,
Speaker 10: but at least a month, if not three, to really
Speaker 10: make it a true habit is what I've what I've seen.
Speaker 2: Damn, I'm damn you're going on fifty years, so I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get stuck distance have it well, Akind've been
Speaker 2: trying to get it to change, and there's always tomorrow, Scott.
Speaker 2: All right, So you hear about you know, the guidelines
Speaker 2: for exercise, right, it's always been like I was, one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty minutes a week, but that all depends
Speaker 2: on your age too, and a whole bunch of other factors,
Speaker 2: so it's never good just to take that one thing.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's one hundred and fifty is like the golden
Speaker 10: number that everyone quotes, but it's kind of all over
Speaker 10: the place, and I'm sure that'll change in a year
Speaker 10: or two, and you know, like every other recommendation changes
Speaker 10: in health and wellness and everything. So but I mean
Speaker 10: long and short is it is important and not just
Speaker 10: a little bit here and there. But that's really where
Speaker 10: it's kind of the study and these studies come from
Speaker 10: as far as a little bit of activity, all.
Speaker 2: Right, el'se talk about that that this is about short
Speaker 2: bursts of activity, which means what so short bursts.
Speaker 10: Can be anywhere between thirty seconds and you know, two
Speaker 10: to four minutes, so a little bit at a time,
Speaker 10: a few time times a day, and that's where the
Speaker 10: studies are coming from. That's where you know, thinking about it.
Speaker 10: I went on a hike last weekend. It was like
Speaker 10: forty five degrees, which was lovely, and I could do
Speaker 10: three and a half miles and it was totally comfortable.
Speaker 10: But this weekend, you know what's coming. I mean, I
Speaker 10: think I just saw negative one for a low.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be cold, yes, bitterally cold. You're not
Speaker 2: doing anthing outside.
Speaker 10: You're not doing anything outside. So getting seven thousand steps,
Speaker 10: you know it's not ten thousand anymore. You can do
Speaker 10: seven thousand, seven thousand steps sick. That's like three and
Speaker 10: a half miles, And so no, one's not many people
Speaker 10: are going to be able to even do that, even
Speaker 10: consider it, right, And so what's the alternate? I think
Speaker 10: when I when I think about the seven thousand steps cold,
Speaker 10: it seems intimidating. Three and a half miles walking a
Speaker 10: day is a lot. So I think my brain subconsciously says, well,
Speaker 10: I can't do three and a half. I won't do
Speaker 10: any at all. And that's where this whole burst of
Speaker 10: exercise comes from.
Speaker 2: Gotcha. So its like, well, if you get you know,
Speaker 2: you're even sixty minutes of exercise. Let's say in a
Speaker 2: work way, you should you could break that up into
Speaker 2: ten minutes here, five minutes here, eight minutes there. There's
Speaker 2: some validity that the studies, there's some validity.
Speaker 10: And so the long and short is if you can
Speaker 10: get your you know, lifting exercise and these little short
Speaker 10: bursts burst on, that is the optimal. Okay, if you
Speaker 10: get nothing done, obviously, that's the complete other end of
Speaker 10: the spectrum. And in between is you know, are are
Speaker 10: the short bursts okay? Or is just the lifts okay?
Speaker 10: Which one's better for you? And that's kind of in debate.
Speaker 10: But the way I see it is if you're lifting
Speaker 10: three times a day, doing some sort of strength training
Speaker 10: on the other days, as long as you're staying active,
Speaker 10: and that's that's the real question of what what does
Speaker 10: that look like? And that's what we'll talk about too.
Speaker 10: If you can do that, that's the optimal thing. Get
Speaker 10: one hundred and fifty minutes maybe in at the gym
Speaker 10: if you can. But if you can or if you can't,
Speaker 10: do these movement things that can even help. And it's
Speaker 10: a little bit that that does a lot of difference. Yeah,
Speaker 10: So like what, for example, would that be. Is it
Speaker 10: just like every day life walking up the stairs instead
Speaker 10: of the elevator, that kind of stuff. It can be,
Speaker 10: so you can you can do steps alone. What they're
Speaker 10: saying again, this is like thirty seconds to two minutes,
Speaker 10: So it's not a it's not a huge amount of time.
Speaker 10: It's not a tremendous amount of effort. And either a
Speaker 10: lot of people can do this. So you really want
Speaker 10: to get your heart rate up to like eighty percent
Speaker 10: of your maximal So yeah, you're talking about maybe like
Speaker 10: one thirty to one fifty beats per minute, and you're
Speaker 10: going to be actually healthier for it.
Speaker 2: So what does that look like?
Speaker 10: Thirty seconds to two minutes of push ups and you
Speaker 10: don't have to go all the all the way to
Speaker 10: the grounds.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have trouble with push ups, but.
Speaker 10: You can just lean up against a wall and push
Speaker 10: yourself back with your knees down or whatever, or put
Speaker 10: your knees down, or you know, lean up against the
Speaker 10: counter and just push yourself up from there from a
Speaker 10: diagonal ten to twenty of those in your golden you're
Speaker 10: good if you do a chair, a wall sit for example.
Speaker 10: So just like, act like there's a seat below you,
Speaker 10: but there's not. Lean your back up against the wall.
Speaker 2: Hold that.
Speaker 10: I mean that every second. It feels like a minute
Speaker 10: when you do that. But if you do, you know,
Speaker 10: fifteen to twenty seconds of that, that's also good again
Speaker 10: a few times a day and it adds up. And
Speaker 10: then you know, another thing you could do is just
Speaker 10: air squats, so you know, acting like there's a chair
Speaker 10: below you, you know, squatting down, standing up and doing
Speaker 10: that fifteen twenty times in a row or to two
Speaker 10: sets of ten real quick.
Speaker 2: That'll get the job done. As far as these studies go,
Speaker 2: you don't need a gym and a trainer and everything else.
Speaker 2: You could just do this as you see fit for
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 10: So they've given it a cute name, which is exercise snacking,
Speaker 10: which I fully approve of, okay, because I like snacking,
Speaker 10: and this is just the healthier version of it, I guess.
Speaker 10: But it's it's also known as VILPA, which is, let
Speaker 10: me see if I can get it right, vigorous intermittent
Speaker 10: lifestyle Physical electivity.
Speaker 2: Lord. Yeah, so we'll just call it exercise snacking as is.
Speaker 2: It sort of like the low level hit training basically
Speaker 2: high intent.
Speaker 10: That's exactly a perfect way to put stuff. Yeah, it's
Speaker 10: like low level hit. But the studies are actually pretty
Speaker 10: remarkable as far as the benefits of it. Long and
Speaker 10: short is, they did a study and it was it
Speaker 10: wasn't a small study, but it was in the UK
Speaker 10: twenty two thousand people and what they found was over
Speaker 10: an eight year time span, basically a fifty percent reduction immortality.
Speaker 10: And so you know, half of people that did this,
Speaker 10: or if you did this work versus people that were
Speaker 10: completely sedentary didn't move at all, fifty percent chance less
Speaker 10: of dying, so half you cut your rate of by half.
Speaker 10: And that also goes for major cardiac events so like
Speaker 10: heart attack, strokes, and that all goes together because of
Speaker 10: the benefits you see from this kind of really quick stuff. Again,
Speaker 10: just a few minutes a day makes a huge difference,
Speaker 10: especially if you're completely sedentary. Usually if you have a
Speaker 10: desk job nine to five, you're too tired at the
Speaker 10: end of the day and you don't do much. This
Speaker 10: is who it benefits the most, but it benefits everybody.
Speaker 2: And I think there's like a lot of conflicting knowledge. Again.
Speaker 2: Sanjay Shev Cremani in the show is a resident emergency
Speaker 2: room doctor. But also we're talking health and fitness on
Speaker 2: the show on Thursday mornings at this time. In this regard,
Speaker 2: you look at it going, all right, is it getting
Speaker 2: the heart rate up? Because you know, if you're doing
Speaker 2: resistance training, which you know, lifting whatever, you're generally not
Speaker 2: getting your heart rate up all that much. Does that
Speaker 2: all count the same?
Speaker 10: So it works a little bit differently, and so you
Speaker 10: know it's muscles versus the rest of your body. So
Speaker 10: lifting will work the muscles, but you know your heart
Speaker 10: as well. But the way I like to think of
Speaker 10: it as strength training helps you live better and then
Speaker 10: cardiac cardio training helps you live longer. That's an overly
Speaker 10: simplistic way to put it and makes sense. You know,
Speaker 10: there's a lot of overlap, but together their best. But
Speaker 10: if you can choose one, you know you can you
Speaker 10: can do that. The long and short is is that
Speaker 10: this is important. It's important to move around in addition
Speaker 10: to your strength training. We always talk about movement is medicine,
Speaker 10: but it's actually come across in the papers and so
Speaker 10: the way they think this works and the current thought
Speaker 10: is threefold. So what are the three main things cause
Speaker 10: heart attacks, high blood pressure, highcholesterol, diabetes, and so doing
Speaker 10: this kind of activity, short bursts at a time helps
Speaker 10: all three.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Well, so does the medicine that we have for that.
Speaker 2: So I need to do any of this or just
Speaker 2: take more meds.
Speaker 10: That is a personal decision, son, I personally like, if
Speaker 10: I don't have to take medicine, I'd love to not
Speaker 10: take medicine. They have their time and their place. But
Speaker 10: if we can do stuff that can save us both
Speaker 10: money and putting medications into our body that we may
Speaker 10: not need, the better as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tervis, satin's and eminem's go well and well together
Speaker 2: just makes a mess. Yeah, just don't get at It's
Speaker 2: fine now. Yeah, it is this kind of like the
Speaker 2: term is called functional training, which is maybe not a
Speaker 2: new thing, but basically, you know some of the moves
Speaker 2: that guys make in a gym. You look atky am,
Speaker 2: I really gonna need to, you know, flex my ear
Speaker 2: lobes for example, when in fact, you know, I just
Speaker 2: don't want to hurt myself putting this box on top
Speaker 2: of a high shelf and then be out of commission
Speaker 2: for a few you know what I'm talking about exactly.
Speaker 10: It's very much a why thing, like why am I
Speaker 10: doing this? Which is important to us at our gym
Speaker 10: as far as making sure you're doing the things that
Speaker 10: help you, you know, create a life that you love.
Speaker 10: And so what are the things that you'd love to
Speaker 10: do thirty years from now? It's hard for our brains
Speaker 10: to think about that. We like to think about the
Speaker 10: here and now, if not the yesterday, but thinking about
Speaker 10: where we want to be, whether it be for our kids,
Speaker 10: our grandkids, or our family when we grow up. You know,
Speaker 10: what kind of lifestyle do you want to live right now?
Speaker 10: You know, it was just three days ago I was
Speaker 10: stretching my arms above my head and all of a sudden,
Speaker 10: I tweaked my back like I literally just existing. I
Speaker 10: hurt myself, which unfortunate, but I think that actually kind
Speaker 10: of plays into that sedentary stuff. I've been not so
Speaker 10: mobile in the last couple of weeks, and that you know,
Speaker 10: it happens to everybody, it happens to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fairly, I think.
Speaker 10: And still even then we can hurt ourselves, so it's
Speaker 10: best to keep it mobile again, even if it's just
Speaker 10: a little a little amount per day.
Speaker 2: Why does it hurts the older you get, the longer
Speaker 2: it takes to recover. It's the same thing, right, It's like,
Speaker 2: for example, a couple of weeks ago, I put my
Speaker 2: wife had knee surgery, so I'm like, wow, I put
Speaker 2: the chair hike toilets and I bought some nice one
Speaker 2: piece toilets. I'm like, and okay, this is you know,
Speaker 2: for the old age, and put them in our house
Speaker 2: and I put intil three and my back was killing
Speaker 2: me for a week. I could turn my head. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what the hell? I do this all the time, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now just like the way to
Speaker 2: picking those up and do it myself is you know,
Speaker 2: you recover usually pretty quickly, and now you can't do
Speaker 2: that at all.
Speaker 10: Yeah, our bodies are really forgiving when we're twenty and thirty,
Speaker 10: both when it comes to eating and exercise, and once
Speaker 10: we hit you know, the thirties, that things just take
Speaker 10: longer to recover.
Speaker 2: It's just the way the.
Speaker 10: Cells work is the way all the partis exactly. It's
Speaker 10: it's all working differently, and we didn't have to live
Speaker 10: this long back in the day, like when we were cavemen.
Speaker 10: You know, our purpose was to live to probably twenty
Speaker 10: five and thirty, and then you know now that we're
Speaker 10: living triple that things will break down.
Speaker 2: Because you're an old man for it. You're an old man.
Speaker 2: It's probably dead by thirty. Is like old age in
Speaker 2: the back in the day. I get Fortunately, I'm only
Speaker 2: twenty three. Yeah, I wish right, which is like when
Speaker 2: you see a toddler throw a hissy fit and roll
Speaker 2: and contort their body on the ground and put their
Speaker 2: head behind their knee cap. You're like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: you're gonna tear your a cl Now you're not. No,
Speaker 2: they're made of rubber. Yeah, you're made of rubber. At
Speaker 2: that fast, all right, So get your exercise in again.
Speaker 2: You can do it in a short bursts throughout the day.
Speaker 2: It's probably the best way to do it, like eating right,
Speaker 2: if you have small meals throughout the day. This is
Speaker 2: exercise snacking.
Speaker 10: It's what small amounts, don't you know? You don't have
Speaker 10: to overdo it so you don't have to go to
Speaker 10: it like a pain level. And then the last part
Speaker 10: is that the really cool part about this stuff, the
Speaker 10: VILPA or exercise snacking, is they found that there was
Speaker 10: an eighty percent adherence for people that did this as
Speaker 10: opposed to any other training regiment. Right, like you just
Speaker 10: said it was work New Year's stuff, it all falls off.
Speaker 10: I think there's only like fifteen percentage here comes to
Speaker 10: New Year's resolutions eighty percent because it's it's doable, I
Speaker 10: would I would recommend, though, if you're gonna do something,
Speaker 10: tie it into something you're already doing. If you're like
Speaker 10: you mentioned the stairs, Uh, go up the stairs a
Speaker 10: little foster, got that heart rate up. If you're you know,
Speaker 10: going to the fridge for a snack, for example, that's
Speaker 10: the time. Maybe say I'll do twenty counter push ups
Speaker 10: right now, you know, just get those in every couple
Speaker 10: hours if you're if you're at work or at the
Speaker 10: end of a meeting, just do ten quick air squads.
Speaker 2: If you've every hour, going to go in the bathroom
Speaker 2: office would probably be better than the middle of the
Speaker 2: or just get the whole office a joint make it
Speaker 2: a group activity. That's that they've also found that Japanese
Speaker 2: workplace or something their calisthetics in the morning. He's son
Speaker 2: Jay Sheva Cramani's our ear doctor, also a health fitness
Speaker 2: We talk all on Thursday night I appreciate you, buddy. Thanks.
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Speaker 2: Was Rodney Hiddon legally insane at the time he took
Speaker 2: this car in deliberately and intentionally plowed into Deputy Larry
Speaker 2: Henderson in front of you c killing him instantly in
Speaker 2: a reaction, of course, to his son Ryan getting shot
Speaker 2: and justifiably sold by Cincinnati police brandishing the firearm. Horrible
Speaker 2: story and probably one of the stories, no doubt, of
Speaker 2: the decade. And it's just a terrible thing. But yesterday
Speaker 2: in court, Rodney Hitton had a confidence hearing. He had
Speaker 2: a hearing yesterday and they had an expert testify for
Speaker 2: the defense here court appointed psychiatrist with their news experience,
Speaker 2: saying that he meets Ohio law requirements to take the
Speaker 2: death penalty off of consideration because he was diagnosed with
Speaker 2: bipolar order bipolar disorder rather two years ago and prescribed
Speaker 2: antipsychotic medication. Is that enough for him to escape what
Speaker 2: we consider the ultimate justice, and that is the death
Speaker 2: penal in Ohio for deliberately murdering Larry Henderson on the
Speaker 2: show once again is attorney Jason Phillibaum, former Commy prosecutor,
Speaker 2: now in private practice and defense. Jason, welcome back. How
Speaker 2: you doing, good morning? Doing well? Thank you. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a topic we're going to talk about a lot because
Speaker 2: we hear about NNGRI as you call it in the profession,
Speaker 2: not guilty for reason of insanity, And yesterday's hearing was
Speaker 2: just that it was kind of preliminary, right, So take
Speaker 2: us through what happened yesterday and you hear this information.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. There you had an expert testify that
Speaker 2: he has a mental issue and he may go to
Speaker 2: prison the rest of his life, but he won't face
Speaker 2: the death penalty. That was just a very small sample
Speaker 2: of the experts that are going to testify. Correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Essentially, your question is about two weeks long when they
Speaker 11: trained the death penalty attorneys to get ready for a
Speaker 11: death penalty case. Because there's three stages of the case,
Speaker 11: and we're in stage one where the judge is trying
Speaker 11: to decide what's allowed the plea or is he going
Speaker 11: to trial things of that nature. So her first question
Speaker 11: in that first prong is is he competent? To stand trial.
Speaker 11: Does he know what's going on? Essentially, the second question
Speaker 11: is is the defense able to present a plea not
Speaker 11: guilty by reason of insanity? Is there enough information out
Speaker 11: there that will allow the defense to ask, you know,
Speaker 11: tell that to the jury. And the third question she's
Speaker 11: going to be answering before the trial starts. Is the
Speaker 11: state eligible to apply to death fun league. And so
Speaker 11: to get to your first question, is he confident? I
Speaker 11: think that she's going to find him confident, you know,
Speaker 11: just you know, the the allegation is he kind of
Speaker 11: lost his mind that day, but the overall allegation hasn't
Speaker 11: been he doesn't know what's going on. So I think
Speaker 11: at the end of the day she's going to find
Speaker 11: him confident. But then that leads to the second question
Speaker 11: is is the not guilty by reason of the sanity
Speaker 11: and to be allowed to be presented in front of
Speaker 11: the jury.
Speaker 2: And there are four mental illnesses that in Ohio can
Speaker 2: remove the death penalty eligibility statute, so schizophrenia, schitzo effective disorder,
Speaker 2: dilusional disorder, and bipolar disorder. So that is definitely a
Speaker 2: bonafid illness that would exempt him from the death penalty. However,
Speaker 2: he had a quarter pointed psychiatrist saying he met the requirements.
Speaker 2: As we pointed out, how much weight does a judge
Speaker 2: typically give to someone and I'm assuming that that person
Speaker 2: is neutral because it's court appointed. Correct.
Speaker 11: Yes, Essentially, they do a quarter pointed psychologist to give
Speaker 11: an analysis and then if one party doesn't like it,
Speaker 11: they go get their own effort, and then typically the
Speaker 11: other party will then go get another expert. And that's
Speaker 11: what you had in this case. Now, what we didn't
Speaker 11: see was the second prong of that question, because that's.
Speaker 2: Going to be sort of a hearing that's set up
Speaker 2: for January.
Speaker 11: But is he eligible to face the death punty under
Speaker 11: Hyle's new law that says, if you have one of
Speaker 11: those four mental health issues, you may not be eligible
Speaker 11: for the death pune. There is the second prong there,
Speaker 11: and that says, is the ill them significantly impairing their
Speaker 11: ability to conform to the law or essentially know the
Speaker 11: wrongfulness of their conduct. So, in other words, if you
Speaker 11: have bipolar disorder, that doesn't necessarily say you can't be
Speaker 11: put to.
Speaker 2: Death for a crime.
Speaker 11: You have to have bipolar disorder and it has to
Speaker 11: be significant and it has to incur and so on.
Speaker 11: So I think all she did yesterday and she specifically
Speaker 11: said that all I'm talking about is Prong one. Yes,
Speaker 11: I think he needs these, these the criteria for bipolar disorder.
Speaker 11: She did not get into the Prong two yet, which
Speaker 11: I think is going to be a January hearing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And you look at that and go, okay, well,
Speaker 2: how much is that documented medical history matter versus the
Speaker 2: question whether he was in acute psychiatric crisis at the
Speaker 2: moment he decided to kill Deputy Henderson.
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I think I personally think that should be
Speaker 11: an issue left up to the jury, and I think
Speaker 11: that's what you're going to see here. But so these
Speaker 11: preliminary hearings are basically her the judge, saying, I'm going
Speaker 11: to allow the jury to hear and see this, and
Speaker 11: I'm going to allow the jury to decide that. That's
Speaker 11: all she's deciding right now. Then we get to a
Speaker 11: trial and then they determine whether he's guilty or not
Speaker 11: guilty by reason of insanity. If he's not guilty by
Speaker 11: reason of infanity, case is over. But if he's found guilty,
Speaker 11: then they get to the death penalty phase, and at
Speaker 11: that point, he's going to argue he's not eligible, and
Speaker 11: the defense is going to argue that he has enough
Speaker 11: mitigating factors that it should be facing the death finely.
Speaker 11: And so I think the biggest question she's going to
Speaker 11: have to answer between now and the trial is is
Speaker 11: she going to allow the jury to hear the death
Speaker 11: penalty argument? And will she allow the jury to consider that.
Speaker 11: I think that's going to be the biggest question mark
Speaker 11: between now and the trial.
Speaker 2: How much more evidence will judge Lober's here to make
Speaker 2: their mind up on that.
Speaker 11: She's going to hear the psychologists from the States, and
Speaker 11: then she's going to probably hear the third psychologists that's
Speaker 11: the defense personally hired as well, So she's going to
Speaker 11: hear from all three. But this sort of gets me
Speaker 11: to the example of NFL football. You know, you've seen
Speaker 11: you watch games on Sunday, there's a fumble, someone runs
Speaker 11: it back to the you know, end zone, and here
Speaker 11: it is the referee blew the whistle dead right, So
Speaker 11: they've been basically saying let it, let it play out,
Speaker 11: and then if if you're wrong about the fumble, instant
Speaker 11: replay can correct it. But if you blow the whistle
Speaker 11: dead too early, then you can't you can't fix that,
Speaker 11: And so I think what ultimately she'll do is she'll
Speaker 11: probably let the jury decide everything because if she's wrong
Speaker 11: about that, if she's wrong and it should have never
Speaker 11: went to the jury, the Quarter of Appeals can fix
Speaker 11: it through replay. But if she cuts it off now,
Speaker 11: the death kind of is off the table forever.
Speaker 2: You can't bring that back later.
Speaker 11: So I'm guessing she's going to air on the side
Speaker 11: of unless there's something, you know, across the board everyone
Speaker 11: agrees on, I'm going to allow the court to or
Speaker 11: the jury to hear the deskboy argument.
Speaker 2: Our legal expert Chason Phillibaum on the show talking about
Speaker 2: Roddy Hinton, your father Hitton, who struck and killed intentionally.
Speaker 2: It appears Deputy Larry Henderson, and there's no doubt about
Speaker 2: it that this is the guy and he did what
Speaker 2: he did. But now claiming that he has a significant
Speaker 2: defense not guilty by reason of insanity is the a
Speaker 2: plea he changed it to yesterday a court appointed psychiatrists.
Speaker 2: So someone allegedly neutral sits down and analyzes him and says, yes,
Speaker 2: he suffers from bipolar disorder, and that is a one
Speaker 2: of the four ways you can get out of the
Speaker 2: death penalty, not a life sentence, but the death penalty.
Speaker 2: But again, as Jason pointed out, it's a two pronged
Speaker 2: test here. Does he have a serious mental illness at
Speaker 2: the time of defense past mental state is what that's called,
Speaker 2: And the answer, of course would be yes. The second
Speaker 2: phase of that, though, and this is the difficult hurdle
Speaker 2: for the defense, is his compety to san trial maining.
Speaker 2: Does he understand the proceedings against him? Can he assist
Speaker 2: his counsel and defense? And that's the threshold question right there. Okay,
Speaker 2: we established that he suffers from the disorder, do we
Speaker 2: have different experts coming and or is it up to
Speaker 2: the judge to discuss or talk to the defend in
Speaker 2: this case to determine whether or not he understands what's
Speaker 2: happening right now, because one could make a case it
Speaker 2: seem like he appears that he does.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and right now there's a gag order essentially where
Speaker 11: the judge is not going to let these reports out
Speaker 11: till they're in open court. And so what you heard
Speaker 11: the doctor say yesterday, I think she specifically said, I
Speaker 11: am only focused on the first prong, Does he need
Speaker 11: to die?
Speaker 2: Not the criteria?
Speaker 8: And yes he does.
Speaker 11: She did not talk about the second prong yet, which
Speaker 11: is does it significantly impair his ability to understand the
Speaker 11: difference between right and wrong? Now, again that's the paraphrasing,
Speaker 11: but that's what she has to show. And thinking that's
Speaker 11: the January hearing, I think they're coming back the first
Speaker 11: week of January. You're going to hear all the experts
Speaker 11: talk about that. So I think the judge is going
Speaker 11: to decide that he's competent. I don't think there's really
Speaker 11: any strong evidence that he's not. Confidence as being trial,
Speaker 11: I think the judge, based on this expert, is going
Speaker 11: to allow the jury to consider not guilty by reason
Speaker 11: of insanity, and I think that's fair he let the
Speaker 11: jury beside that. But I also think what's going to
Speaker 11: be telling, and we don't know the answer yet, is
Speaker 11: do all three of the experts agree that he has,
Speaker 11: you know, bipolar disorder, Because I'm guessing they do, that's
Speaker 11: just a guess, but they probably all disagree on whether
Speaker 11: or not that is a serious or significant impairment for him.
Speaker 11: You know, there's people diagnosed with bipool or disorder every day,
Speaker 11: but that's not a significant impairment. And I think that's
Speaker 11: what the main hearing is going to be in January
Speaker 11: is does it rise to the level that it's so
Speaker 11: significant he didn't know what was going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have the NNGRII defense. But have you ever
Speaker 2: been around I know you've read people this before, but
Speaker 2: have you ever been around somebody that literally suffered from
Speaker 2: this disorder, but at the same time also did not understand
Speaker 2: or could contribute to their own defense that legally, literally
Speaker 2: they were insane and therefore they couldn't be held to
Speaker 2: the capital murder. Have you been around someone like that?
Speaker 2: I just wondering how that presents itself in the court
Speaker 2: of law. Are they speaking in tongues or just simply
Speaker 2: not understanding what's going on?
Speaker 11: They just don't understand. I mean, I've had a few
Speaker 11: defendants over a course of the time that's been found
Speaker 11: not competence to stand trial. That just means they don't
Speaker 11: understand who's who. They don't understand the difference between the
Speaker 11: judges and the prosecutors and the defense counsel. They don't
Speaker 11: understand essentially laws. They just don't get it. Imagine like
Speaker 11: trying to explain this to a three or four year old,
Speaker 11: that's the best way to describe it. They might be
Speaker 11: able to talk, but they have no idea what a
Speaker 11: court is and what trial is and things of that nature.
Speaker 11: And so essentially what the order would be there is
Speaker 11: they send you to a mens hospital to restore your competency. Basically,
Speaker 11: they try to educate you, they try to help you,
Speaker 11: they try to give you counseling, medication. Can they get
Speaker 11: you back to the point where you understand and if
Speaker 11: if there's a period of tend where they can restore you,
Speaker 11: then you go back to the court and get a trial.
Speaker 11: But if after a certain period of time six months,
Speaker 11: a year, whatever the statute is, that's when they say,
Speaker 11: well you're just not confident to stay a trial.
Speaker 2: Cases over.
Speaker 11: So I've seen that before and I think the best
Speaker 11: way to describe it is, you know, try talking to
Speaker 11: a four year old about court and that's what it's
Speaker 11: like to someone that has a severe mental illness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason Phillibum on that, that's fascinating that you probably
Speaker 2: pretty know pretty much right away. Is it impossible to
Speaker 2: fake your way through that?
Speaker 11: That's what experts are good at They will catch someone
Speaker 11: that tries to fake them because they ask you one
Speaker 11: hundred questions in so many different ways. That's what these
Speaker 11: tests are designed. And it's not just one psychologist has
Speaker 11: come up with it. It's been thirty years in the making,
Speaker 11: so you know they will they will hopefully catch the
Speaker 11: person that tries to do it. Now, I'm sure if
Speaker 11: you have, you know, Hollywood actor doing their thing, maybe
Speaker 11: they might be able to pull someone. But the average
Speaker 11: person out there on the street trying to get out
Speaker 11: of a trial is not going to fool with psychology.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you'd have to be pretty well studied or
Speaker 2: go into a different character entirely for that to happen.
Speaker 2: It's a possibility. It may have happened in the past,
Speaker 2: but now Kaiser SoSE is the last person I think
Speaker 2: I've seen it right be able to pull that one.
Speaker 2: Kevin Spacey's character, he's.
Speaker 8: Exactly what I was thinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's Hollywood though, that's
Speaker 2: not real life. The Kaiser defense here, if you pull
Speaker 2: that one off, you deserve to get out of get
Speaker 2: out of your your sentence. I don't think that's going
Speaker 2: to happen for this guy. How much is the fact
Speaker 2: that everything he did was premeditated? The fact that Roddery
Speaker 2: Hinton drove around for a period of time before selecting
Speaker 2: Deputy Henderson to murder, that has to contribute to this
Speaker 2: as well, doesn't it.
Speaker 11: Absolutely? And that's what the state's going to argue. If
Speaker 11: you premeditate, if you plan, if you basically go around
Speaker 11: and set up your crime, then it did not significantly
Speaker 11: impair your ability to function. And so there's an argument
Speaker 11: by the premeditation aspect that you weren't insane.
Speaker 8: Now, I think what the defense.
Speaker 11: Is going to argue is he drove around and he
Speaker 11: was thinking about it and then he just had a
Speaker 11: sudden burst of I can't take this anymore, and so
Speaker 11: I think that's what they're going to try to argue.
Speaker 11: But that you know, I was told back in law school,
Speaker 11: when it comes to ngri, you run, you're done. That
Speaker 11: was the phrase that came out in a case a
Speaker 11: long time ago, which the moment you start planning or
Speaker 11: the moment you run, you kind of show that you
Speaker 11: know what's right and wrong right because you've planned it,
Speaker 11: or you run away from it. So I think that's
Speaker 11: what that's what's going to probably be the big, big
Speaker 11: decision maker in the case is the fact that this
Speaker 11: was premeditated.
Speaker 2: Grief and emotional distress and extreme emotional reaction for that
Speaker 2: matter to your son's death does not indicate serious mental
Speaker 2: illness or the fact that you can't comprehend right from wrong.
Speaker 11: Right if you were watching the video at the moment
Speaker 11: and then attack the officer in a room, that would
Speaker 11: be a much different situation than getting in a car
Speaker 11: and driving around and looking for your right candidate. I mean,
Speaker 11: that's what the state's going to argue.
Speaker 2: But that will try to throw everything they can. I
Speaker 2: guess at the judge and jury if that's the case,
Speaker 2: to decide whether or not he this mental illness that
Speaker 2: he suffers from bipolar disorder, which is a you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's fairly common diagnosis for sure, But did
Speaker 2: it impact his decisions he made that day? And also,
Speaker 2: more importantly, does he know right from wrong? And just
Speaker 2: running seems to indicate that he does. It should be
Speaker 2: fairly open and shut. I would think right, just based.
Speaker 11: On that, yeah, I would think that you know, from
Speaker 11: the standpoint, I mean again, I always tell people you
Speaker 11: don't know what's going on. So you see the full
Speaker 11: evidence at the trial, but you know, based on what
Speaker 11: we've read so far, I would think the jury would
Speaker 11: have a little easier decision on the guilt versus not
Speaker 11: guilty by reason insanity. I think this case is all
Speaker 11: going to hinge on though, whether the judge allows the
Speaker 11: death memvie. If she does, what will the jury think,
Speaker 11: Because there's a lot of argument for the defense to
Speaker 11: argue there's enough mitigation here that he shouldn't be put
Speaker 11: to death for this. And you have such an extreme
Speaker 11: hostile act of taking out a law enforcement officer that
Speaker 11: wasn't even involved, and compare that to someone that has
Speaker 11: this mental health issue. And that's going to be the
Speaker 11: struggle the jury has to decide, is should I put
Speaker 11: that person to death? The crime is so horrendous. The
Speaker 11: preliminary answer is yes, But then is his mental health
Speaker 11: issue so mitigating that we put him in prison for.
Speaker 8: Life instead of death.
Speaker 11: That's going to be the thing that I think is
Speaker 11: going to be the hardest decision the jury is going
Speaker 11: to have to wrestle.
Speaker 2: With, right, you know, not on that note, whether he
Speaker 2: was taking his medicaid, if he was off his meds.
Speaker 2: Let's hey didn't decide to take medication that day. Does
Speaker 2: that help the defense or does it not matter simply
Speaker 2: because you know you're on it now, you know right
Speaker 2: from wrong and your cares being managed right now. Does
Speaker 2: that impact us at all?
Speaker 11: It's going to be one of the things that both
Speaker 11: sides argue. It's like, it's like I was drunk, I
Speaker 11: didn't mean to kill the person when I crashed into him.
Speaker 11: And the answer to that is, but you intentionally drank
Speaker 11: alcohol and then got into a car, And so the
Speaker 11: same argument is going to be made he intentionally did
Speaker 11: not take his medicine. I mean, if it's a situation
Speaker 11: where you've got such a severe issue, you've got to
Speaker 11: take the medicine, and you forgot that morning. That's one
Speaker 11: thing that if you go off for a period of time,
Speaker 11: that's an intentional decision that the state's going to argue,
Speaker 11: and of course the defense is going to argue the
Speaker 11: counter argument. But that's again something that the jury's going
Speaker 11: to have to wrestle with.
Speaker 2: All right. He is a defense attorney, Jason Philibaum and
Speaker 2: a private practice Unison Philibaum Law Firm, former prosecutor. Interesting
Speaker 2: not reason not guilty reason in sanity. It's the plea
Speaker 2: from Ryny Hidding. And we'll find out in January if
Speaker 2: the judge agrees. Jason all the best. Thanks for the insight.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. I appreciate it.
Speaker 8: Thank you.
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Speaker 12: Can you hear it? Can you hear that squeaky sound?
Speaker 11: Clark?
Speaker 12: I'm serious, there's something in the.
Speaker 7: Wall, Oh my god, fluttering, it's squeaking.
Speaker 12: It's fluttering and wall to get home right now.
Speaker 9: You got into the mushrooms again, didn't you. No, But
Speaker 9: there's something like a like a like a like a
Speaker 9: pig in the truffle you found she found the mushrooms.
Speaker 2: She's high af at eleven thirty this morning. Awesome.
Speaker 12: No no, no, no, no, no, no, there is some of course, Okay,
Speaker 12: so I can hear it right, there's some scratching in
Speaker 12: the wall. I'm sure it's probably a little mouse.
Speaker 2: Or something gonna snow outside.
Speaker 12: Wants to come out from the garage, but I think
Speaker 12: it's in the walls. Every time I get close, it's
Speaker 12: quiet and it doesn't move. But then I heard a
Speaker 12: fluttering like it might be a bird, so I can
Speaker 12: Bandit are the best guard dog that ever was is
Speaker 12: just sleeping in the corner and could absolutely care. We
Speaker 12: are being invaded by.
Speaker 2: Well it is that time of year.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 12: Okay, uh yeah, we got it. We have a creature
Speaker 12: and it's driving me nuts. I'm working from home today
Speaker 12: because it's cold outside and I don't like it.
Speaker 2: Where is is it in the bedroom?
Speaker 7: Is it?
Speaker 2: Where?
Speaker 12: No? No, no, So I went to take Bandit out
Speaker 12: for a walk and I it's somewhere between the dining room,
Speaker 12: the laundry room and the garage. And I'm thinking maybe
Speaker 12: something got stuck in the dryer vent. But you have
Speaker 12: a new like lid on.
Speaker 2: That, right, Yeah, new lidy lid.
Speaker 12: I don't know. But the animals are coming in.
Speaker 2: And yeah, just the one.
Speaker 12: I don't know, But man, it doesn't seem to give
Speaker 12: a straight up.
Speaker 2: That's got to be a brave mouse. Because I was
Speaker 2: thought I was near the bedroom. I thought, you know,
Speaker 2: with the snoring in there, that whatever or drug induced
Speaker 2: home issues? Are you shure? I'm not buying it. I
Speaker 2: just think it's the narcotics left over from your knee surgery.
Speaker 2: I think you're just high.
Speaker 12: I have been narcotic free for almost a week.
Speaker 2: Right, you think I'm actually going to get home in
Speaker 2: the first order? Business to be looking to find a
Speaker 2: mouse in a wall somewhere. Yes, yeah, I'll figure it out.
Speaker 12: It's because I'm going to torment you until.
Speaker 2: Although I have a buddy. I have a buddy that
Speaker 2: he had mouse and mice and how whatever. He's like, okay,
Speaker 2: they're they're finding some poop over and like, okay, we
Speaker 2: got some mousk moscat in somewhere called extremity. It comes
Speaker 2: over and goes to the attic and literally finds an
Speaker 2: entire colony. Uh, to the point where sixteen dollars later.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I've heard. I've actually been in my business,
Speaker 12: you know, which is actually real estate during home inspections.
Speaker 12: We've seen bird messs literally the size of a car
Speaker 12: of ew beetle that is messing and growing in there.
Speaker 12: We've seen raccoons and they can make an awful thanky mess.
Speaker 12: Yeah you know, bird mice for sure.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so so we have a problem, sir, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put that at the bottom of the list
Speaker 2: of things I have to do today. The mouse will
Speaker 2: be fine, it'll be fine. Well, we'll get through this somehow.
Speaker 12: Will be fine if he calls his little self in
Speaker 12: through an outlet or something, and then he's in here
Speaker 12: and then it's still sleeping, and I'm like, you should
Speaker 12: see him.
Speaker 2: Oh, I saved it. I never took a picture of
Speaker 2: it too. At my workshop, a mouse was crawling through
Speaker 2: it did just what you said. I think he was
Speaker 2: trying to get in the out He's like, because I
Speaker 2: have the covers off because I still have work to
Speaker 2: do in there. And the mouse literally is electrocuted to
Speaker 2: the to the outlet as cool as hell. No that
Speaker 2: oh he got it fast. He got it quick.
Speaker 12: Okay, as long as it was it was like a trap.
Speaker 2: The mouse tried to plead not guilty by reason of insanity.
Speaker 2: That judge would not hear it, and he was immediately.
Speaker 12: Actually, so I'm nice. Are just living there in life,
Speaker 12: right and I'm not ANSI mouse. I will get the
Speaker 12: trapped that actually won't kill them. They get trapped inside,
Speaker 12: and then you have to like deliver them at least
Speaker 12: a mile away, or somehow they find their way back
Speaker 12: in here.
Speaker 2: You know that's a park or.
Speaker 12: Something, and.
Speaker 2: You really are too. You'll drive two miles away to
Speaker 2: release the mouse back in the wild that promptly gets
Speaker 2: eaten by something else.
Speaker 12: Well that's fine, that's nature. But as long as I
Speaker 12: didn't kill it, oh my little so I think, whatever's
Speaker 12: in my walls right now, in the walls of my
Speaker 12: brain right.
Speaker 2: Now, get the little trap. See how it works out. Well,
Speaker 2: on the other side of the wall, a good place
Speaker 2: for them. That's what the walls there are.
Speaker 12: I mean, if I thought maybe they were, it was
Speaker 12: in the garage, and I'm fine with that because you
Speaker 12: know that happens.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll figure it out. It's fine. We're getting three
Speaker 2: to five to twenty inches of snow tomorrow. We got
Speaker 2: to prepare for that. We got to prepare for that.
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little real well, segue from mice to
Speaker 2: real estate, but it's largely the same thing. Everybody's got
Speaker 2: a couple of mons. It's that time of year. You're
Speaker 2: gonna have some mice. And you know, it takes us
Speaker 2: a hole the size of a dime for one to
Speaker 2: get through. There's no way you're going to be able to,
Speaker 2: you know, patch every hole in your house for that.
Speaker 2: Maybe you can find an area where you know there's
Speaker 2: an old plumbing or h AC system and they didn't
Speaker 2: you know, fill the hole properly or something like that,
Speaker 2: and yeah, you can spot those for sure. Or maybe
Speaker 2: there's culking or something that's given away in a corner,
Speaker 2: all tiny spots like that's tough because oose things can
Speaker 2: literally scale a skyscraper. Nonetheless, I know you wanted to.
Speaker 2: I think it's good news here, the Hamlin County real
Speaker 2: estate transfer tax increase. It was going to cost people
Speaker 2: more money in Hamlin County. That's been scubbled, right, it is,
Speaker 2: I mean so right.
Speaker 12: We do have some real news, some nuggets of news
Speaker 12: to share with you today. There has been some action
Speaker 12: in the Hamilton County real estate transfer tax increase that
Speaker 12: was in the budget. It has been nixed. So a
Speaker 12: group of the realtor Alliance of Greators, Cincinnati, landlord lenders, investors,
Speaker 12: the entire real estate community really came out against this,
Speaker 12: saying it's going to be harmful to homeowners, buyers, builders,
Speaker 12: small landlords, everybody because the cost of this transfer tax
Speaker 12: is going to be the highest in the area. I mean,
Speaker 12: they were trying to increase it, and it's one of
Speaker 12: those if I would say there's a hidden fee when
Speaker 12: you sell your home, it's the transfer tax. It's four
Speaker 12: dollars per thousand of the house that you sell, so
Speaker 12: you know it can add up pretty quickly. And you
Speaker 12: have no idea as a seller that you are having
Speaker 12: to pay this transfer tax unless you have a good
Speaker 12: real estate agent who's going to sell you in advance.
Speaker 12: There's not a darn thing I can do about it,
Speaker 12: you know, I just tell you, I just give you
Speaker 12: the information and know that that's going to come out
Speaker 12: in the end of your proceeds, which is not good.
Speaker 12: And there is also some round of applause to Commissioner.
Speaker 12: Commissioner Eli Herise because she has been the sad sass
Speaker 12: voice of reason on this one and oppositions to be increased. Yeah,
Speaker 12: to do an awesome job. So that was that nugget.
Speaker 12: So for now, Hamilton County is going to stay still
Speaker 12: one of the higher ones. Right, Hamilton and Claremont County
Speaker 12: are four dollars per thousand in a transfer tax. Warren
Speaker 12: County and Butler County are three dollars per thousand when
Speaker 12: you sell your house. So if you're planning to sell
Speaker 12: your house, talk to your real estate agent about that.
Speaker 12: It's not just your regular property taxes that you have
Speaker 12: to pay at closing. Yeah, you have to pay the
Speaker 12: transfer tax as well.
Speaker 2: All right. So yeah, so the three dollars per hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, yeah, per hundred.
Speaker 12: Right, per hundred, three dollars per hundred. So if it's
Speaker 12: if it's a two hundred thousand dollars home, it's two
Speaker 12: hundred times three dollars or four dollars.
Speaker 11: Whatever that is.
Speaker 8: Yeah, a couple hundred bucks.
Speaker 3: But again, it all adds up, does add up.
Speaker 2: There's all those fees that get add It's like a
Speaker 2: CBS receipt when you're buying a house, for God's sakes,
Speaker 2: it's just still one thing after another after another. After
Speaker 2: all right, well that's good news right there, all right,
Speaker 2: from mice to what else we have?
Speaker 12: The FAG yesterday cut rates for the third time and
Speaker 12: twenty five interestingly, so it's like a group of I
Speaker 12: don't know people at the FED that vote on this,
Speaker 12: whether or not to cut the rates, increase the rates,
Speaker 12: do whatever. So it's on a nationwide level, right, and
Speaker 12: not everybody's in agreement that just keeping and cutting the
Speaker 12: rates is going to be the best thing for our economy.
Speaker 12: And so it was a split vote, and it sort
Speaker 12: of reveals there's a little bit of a chink in
Speaker 12: the armor there that there's a possibility that, you know,
Speaker 12: just lowering the FED rate is not going to help
Speaker 12: our economy overall. We have so many other factors inflation
Speaker 12: and unemployment and your mortgage rates and your rates on
Speaker 12: your on your credit cards as well, so you know,
Speaker 12: all of this is taken into consideration. It's not the
Speaker 12: it's not an equal thing. And that's the one again,
Speaker 12: this is sort of one of those things that people
Speaker 12: don't talk enough about. When the Fed cuts the rate,
Speaker 12: It doesn't mean automatically that your mortgage rate is going
Speaker 12: to be lowered. It's just that's that's not the way
Speaker 12: it works, or it doesn't mean that any future mortgage
Speaker 12: rates are going to automatically be lowered. As a matter
Speaker 12: of fact, that we're the course of the last week,
Speaker 12: mortgage rates have inched up just a little bit. So
Speaker 12: right now they're around six and a quarter, which is
Speaker 12: still pretty in my opinion, it's still pretty good. Anything
Speaker 12: under seven, anything under six and a half is what
Speaker 12: I would considered to be fair. Is it the three
Speaker 12: percent of days old days gone by?
Speaker 5: No, it's not.
Speaker 12: But we're never going to see three percent mortgage rate again.
Speaker 2: Stop it don't it's not coming back. But these are
Speaker 2: good times. These are good times.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 12: It is decent. I mean it's good now. Knowing that
Speaker 12: if the mortgage rates go down, buyers have a little
Speaker 12: litle bit more buying power, which is a good thing
Speaker 12: as well. And right now we are seeing more inventory.
Speaker 12: We're seeing more homes currently on the market, so we
Speaker 12: have an inventory of about three months worth of inventory
Speaker 12: based on the number of sales. So that means if
Speaker 12: you're a buyer and I know this is salesy, but
Speaker 12: if you are a buyer, now is a great time
Speaker 12: to start to look yeah, because rates are moderate and
Speaker 12: there are homes to their homes to look at. So
Speaker 12: think about getting back into the market before spring, before
Speaker 12: the rest of the world gets back in the market,
Speaker 12: because I think that's that's.
Speaker 2: A good step to start to see a surge here. Okay, good, good,
Speaker 2: good good. My wife Michelle from so long sales homes
Speaker 2: dot Com open house show. I get the podcast for
Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app of course on YouTube as well, and
Speaker 2: Remax time in Mainville. I will throw this out there too,
Speaker 2: because we're expecting bitterly cold temperatures. The temperature will not
Speaker 2: get out of the single digits for the game on Sunday.
Speaker 2: If so, it'll be very very close, like maybe eleven degrees.
Speaker 2: It's going to be absolutely frigid. And when we've seen
Speaker 2: that kind of cold, uh, you see a lot of
Speaker 2: problems pop up. I just want to put the shout
Speaker 2: out here. If you have not done so already, today
Speaker 2: would be the day before it starts to snow and
Speaker 2: get colder. Is to make sure you take those hoses
Speaker 2: if you have not yet from the side of your
Speaker 2: house outdoor hoses and you have to take them off
Speaker 2: even though you have a frost free faucet.
Speaker 8: Frozen, babe, that's not that cold out.
Speaker 2: Yet, it's still what oh, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean we're below freezing obviously too, but yeah, you
Speaker 2: could still you can get those off. Very important because
Speaker 2: if you haven't already. Yeah, I'm not saying you should
Speaker 2: probably have done this fall, but just make sure you're
Speaker 2: all caught up on that kind of stuff too. And
Speaker 2: you know, if you don't have the heat in your house,
Speaker 2: and maybe uh on the wet wall and that is
Speaker 2: where the plumbing comes into the sink, like in the
Speaker 2: kitchen for example. Usually that's a trouble spot because and
Speaker 2: the wet wall is an outside If you have older home,
Speaker 2: you don't have enough insulation in there. Make sure you
Speaker 2: open those sink cabinets up and in this kind of
Speaker 2: weather even and you know you're you live there long enough,
Speaker 2: keep the fastest dripping. A little bit of flow will
Speaker 2: help as well, just a slight drip. It's you may go,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run my water bill up, But it's a
Speaker 2: lot cheaper than having a plumber.
Speaker 12: Come out to fix or I mean, it's just a
Speaker 12: tiny little drip, just as flow as it keep it,
Speaker 12: and having those cabinet doors open on the outside walls
Speaker 12: really does make a huge difference. I'm also going to
Speaker 12: suggest if you have any elderly people that live near you,
Speaker 12: next to you, your next door neighbors or family members
Speaker 12: or whatever, go check on them this weekend because it
Speaker 12: is it's going to be cold, and if they're heating
Speaker 12: their homes by the oven or whatever, stop it.
Speaker 3: No, don't do that.
Speaker 12: It's dangerous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's all right. Just be ready to go
Speaker 2: because we're going to get that weather moving in. That's
Speaker 2: how it's going to be. It's gonna get cold and
Speaker 2: we're gonna have a lot of snow. So the other
Speaker 2: thing too, I did see some rock. I was out
Speaker 2: yesterday getting some stuff at the you know, the big
Speaker 2: box home retailers. I was at low Is actually, and
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of salt left, so you're in
Speaker 2: good chip if you haven't got years.
Speaker 12: Yet, that's good. And again today's day right to get
Speaker 12: your butt out there. If you need a shovel, get
Speaker 12: on it. If you need some salt, And there's all
Speaker 12: different kinds of salt. How much time do we have
Speaker 12: to I actually have a little bit of a.
Speaker 8: Lip well, I I.
Speaker 2: What kind of salt do you would you prefer?
Speaker 5: There?
Speaker 2: You're like a I like Kosher Kosher. It's out there
Speaker 2: sprinkling sprinkler box of Morton's Kosher on the driveway.
Speaker 12: I'm kidding. That is actually the worst thing that you
Speaker 12: can do because you're going to create pits and it's
Speaker 12: not safe for your plants or your pets.
Speaker 2: So, I mean it's the cheapest, and you know, if
Speaker 2: it's lightful, but you get a depreeze like this, you
Speaker 2: need calcium chloride or magnesium chloride. Are the ones that
Speaker 2: work below ten degrees, right?
Speaker 12: And you want to look at look at the label
Speaker 12: a little bit again. If there's just not a lot
Speaker 12: of choices, there's probably not a lot.
Speaker 2: Get what you can. It's better than nothing because it's
Speaker 2: going to help. I mean, if you get that heavy set,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a light snow. I think too. But
Speaker 2: if you get that icing event, you want to lay
Speaker 2: that down for max sure. It makes it easier to
Speaker 2: get that stuff off off your driveway and walkways if
Speaker 2: you pre treat it like the roadway. So there you go.
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Speaker 12: Okay, come get my this mouse burg whatever it is not.
Speaker 2: Even anywhere in the list today, that is not on
Speaker 2: my to do list. Make friends with it. Make friends
Speaker 2: with it. The dog needs a friend, well, he's just.
Speaker 11: Nice.
Speaker 2: Pet mouse would be fine for him. It's something that
Speaker 2: guess what, less things. I don't have to throw the
Speaker 2: ball as much anymore if he has a pet mouse
Speaker 2: as his best friend. It's like a Disney movie. Michelle
Speaker 2: lean into that stuff, would you. Willy's on the way
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