WEBVTT - 10-29-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:04.160 I don't want to be an American idiot's plowy back 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:05.439 on seven hundred WW. 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:10.320 Blocks do in a city all? If anything, it's not boring. 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.080 We have the police chief controversy. We have a contentious 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:17.439 hearing yesterday on food trucks as somehow having a role 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:19.840 in the violence downtown. You know, if you just have 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:23.079 feeding people, then the violence goes away. Maybe there's something 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.720 there with Snap. I don't know. She's council member Anna 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.720 Olby on the show on seven hundred Wow, and she's 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:32.040 in a very tight council racers. Three thousand people running 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.280 for the handful of seats left, and it's going to 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:37.520 be musical chairs in just a few days. For sure, Anna, 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:38.479 welcome back. How are you? 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:41.800 I thinks I appreciate it? And three thousand might be 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:43.199 a little bit too high. 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.639 On the feels like I'm bad at math I'm bad 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:47.400 at the maths, but it feels like three. We'll just 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:51.640 go three thousand. Let's start with this, the snap hearing. 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.680 The commissioners did this yesterday. You were there, I saw 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:57.480 you on camera. Wave to you. But any way back, 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:00.560 that's fine. What is the city's role to help with 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.400 the really? What can the city do if indeed, on Saturday, 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.959 SNAP benefits go away for one in eight people in 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:09.240 Handlin County, which is also Cincinnati. 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:12.960 Yeah, thanks for this. Let me just start by laying 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.399 out the state of where we are. I don't know 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:18.400 how many your listeners actually watched that, but the county 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.880 shared yesterday some of the numbers. So across the county, 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:26.200 we have over fifty three thousand adults and over forty 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.280 three thousand children who are benefiting from SNAPS every month. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.000 So when we think about this Saturday, those benefits are 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:37.000 not going to be available. And across the county that 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:41.280 represents over nineteen million dollars of food assistant benefits, and 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:43.640 I know for the city of Cincinnati that's over twenty 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.480 nine thousand households. So this is a real crisis moment 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:51.400 where families, according to the head of Freestore Food Bank, 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.360 they get nine out of ten meals with their SNAP 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:59.560 benefits and Freestore other local pantries only be one out 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:02.200 of ten. Right, So we're about to lose funding for 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.840 nine one ten meals for these these thousands. Is incredible people, Yeah, 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:08.240 it's a true crisis. 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.360 I had kurt rye Arond from free store on Monday Show, 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.320 and he he's concerned. I mean, he couldn't really say, 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:15.600 oh my god, you know, we don't we're going to do. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:17.440 It's like, hey, listen, you know we have some reserves. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:19.680 We're going to lean on the local communities and trying 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.440 to get more out of our vendors. And also, uh, 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.839 we may have to start instead of once a month, 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:26.480 we have to do twice a month. So the demand's 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.160 going to increase even more, putting in a ready strain. 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.240 But and think about it heading to the holiday season here, 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.360 with Thanksgiving and then Christmas coming up, the really busy 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.760 time in the winter, when people are colder. Uh, people 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:40.079 are cold and hungry. It's going to put a strain 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:41.680 already on an overstrained system. 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:44.000 Yeah, one hundred percent. 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:44.600 Uh. 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.400 I'm really really worried about what this means when families, 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.480 you know, are looking at their budget and now they 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.680 have to decide do we buy a meal or do 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.560 we pay rent? Do we pay our utility bill? Right, 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:59.200 this is going to make impossible, you know, impossible decisions. 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:00.520 I don't I don't know either. 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:02.880 I wish I wish Washington would just go Look, Okay, 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:06.680 we made our point let's let's end this thing and 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:11.240 work towards compromise. But it's not about people. It's about politics, 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.840 and that's what Washington, that's what politics has become. It's 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.120 about protecting our party and our brand, whatever that is. 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.640 I one hundred percent agreed. Right, Ultimately, this is a 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.320 federal government problem, and we need the federal government to 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.280 solve it. And so yesterday you heard it from the 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.680 county commissioners, and I agree, we should have our wallmakers 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.000 in Washington at the table talking about how do we 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.280 come up with some type of emergencies to beat for snap. 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.560 You know, they were able to dig up three hundred 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:38.080 million dollars from care funds to help keep with going 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.200 for a few more week weeks. Why can't they do 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.520 something for snaps? But instead, we've got a president who's 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.720 on an international tour right now, isn't even in the country, 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.160 and we're going to have millions of people going hungry 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:49.400 starting Saturday. 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.520 So you need Congress to do that, right, I mean 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:55.040 the point of you know, this is a debate outside 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.160 our scope here in the city because you can't control 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.640 subsidies and how things are handed out, and that's really 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.360 part of the problem here, and I understand the stand 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.880 that they're making with Republican and Democrats, but you know, 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.480 now it's time to put the swords down and try 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.040 to come to some common ground and solve this issue, 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.320 because the problem is healthcare is way out of control. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.120 Whether you talk to Republican or Democrat, we all agree 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:18.120 on that you just can't continue subsidizing. And Republicans don't 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.880 really have a plan to fix healthcare. So there's our problems. 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:22.960 And I'll be let's pivot a little bit here to 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:27.080 the food truck hearing now when this happened. To bring 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:29.360 those listening up to speed, if you're listening, okay, we'll 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.040 refresh my memory on this one. I got lots to 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:35.000 go to my mind, Sloan, I got you so August fifteenth, 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:38.040 it was even earlier than that was, I think maybe 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.040 September or later in that September. Anyway, there's a hearing 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.560 about food trucks and basically, hey, you know where we 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.640 had the hookah bars and hookah lounges or some food 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.640 trucks around and the street violence and the food trucks 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.320 are open late and these tend to get people congregating 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.279 around it to eat and then violence breaks out, and 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.039 so sure long and her wisdom said, you know what, 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.200 We're just going to omnissue an edict that says, now 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.200 we've got to shut the food trucks down at eleven PM, 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.360 which I took a great issue with. It's like, well, 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.680 they're there to feed people, you're there to police and 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.960 keep the streets safe. So if I want to I 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.440 don't know a hot I want to cheese cony or 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.000 slice of pizza or a taco, where the hell it 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.200 is at two o'clock in the morning, when the bars closed, 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:17.799 I should be able to get that from a street 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.719 vendor who's there legally. I'm there legally. Why are we 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:22.239 shutting down and punishing good people? 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.680 I agree? To be clear, I agree, and I think 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.600 you know, I know you watched Yesterdy's committee meetings. So 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.080 just to clarify again, the decision to change the closed 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.800 time closing time to eleven PM was purely from this 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:39.240 to the administration. Council was not asked or prepped about 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.159 this ahead of time. So when it was announced, you know, 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.680 I immediately caught up and was asking lots of questions, 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.559 and I asked them again yesterday, what is the data 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.760 showing that food trucks are specifically causing these issues. And honestly, 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:53.880 yesterday I heard a lot of talk about people being 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:57.679 maybe overserved, Right, they're too drunk and that's causing issues, 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:02.040 and that's the separate issues. But food trucks are small businesses. 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.720 And to your point, I think if someone is coming 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.120 out of the bar at two in the morning, they 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.440 should be able to get their taco before they had 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.880 or their hamburger whatever like that. And we want the 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.440 city to be a fun place to hang out, right, 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.120 we want the city to have a lively nightlife, and 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.160 food trucks and people being out and being able to 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.760 get a bite to eat is part of that vibrancy 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:24.200 for me. 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:28.000 Yeah, do you think Mordecai Black would have not murdered 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.400 Patrick Herringer if he was able to get a cheese 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:33.799 coney instead. That's just the dumbest logic I've ever heard. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:37.320 Well, I'm not going to get into that part, but 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.480 I mean, in terms of how we're going to handle 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.280 this food truck regulations, I think there's two parts of this, right. 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:45.720 There's one part of what is the data showing that 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.600 food trucks are the issue here. The other part is 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.120 what is the impact economically on these small businesses? 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:50.760 Right? 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.039 And I was really disappointed to hear that the city 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.760 administration had yet to even talk with the food truck 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.680 administrations or any of the food trucks or even the 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.679 small business owners the bars, right. And Vice Mayor Kearney 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:04.599 brought up yesterday that she talked to some of the 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:06.440 bars and they were like, yeah, we love having these 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:08.160 food trucks here. We don't have a kitchen or the 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:12.480 kitchen isn't open, you know, and closing, right so letting 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.640 patrons come out and grab a pipe to eat is 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.120 something that you know, the bars themselves appreciate and you 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.640 have to think about. I have to assume these food 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.160 trucks have most of their get most of their revenue 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.360 at those late night hours to right, So closing at 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.360 eleven PM just seems crazy to me. And then not 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.160 be able to come yesterday prepared with the data to 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.920 show us that there's a direct cause and effect between 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.240 food truck hours and some of these incidents that they're reporting. 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.280 I just I was very frustrated about and hopefully in 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:43.920 two weeks when we come back to this that the 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.440 administration will be better prepared to make the case she made. 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.640 This isn't sure along correct, this is all on her. 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.680 This is a city administration working. I mean, I know 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:58.240 synthetic police was also part of part of the decision making, 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.800 or at least based on kind of reports that officers 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:01.400 were making. 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.240 Yeah, how does a curfew impact then? 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.320 Great question because I see I do see this as 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:09.800 kind of thing you mentioned houkah bars, Right, So if 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:13.480 we're implementing a curfew, we're saying, you know, closing down 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.240 hookah bars, which I agree with. By the way, we 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:18.520 were seeing real issues with hookah bars specifically, and hookah 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.040 bars sell into a weird loophole at the state level 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:22.960 when it came to regulation. So it's good that we 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:23.560 took care of that. 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:24.720 So if we have. 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.280 Curfew hookah bars, now we're closing food trucks right back 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.760 to that vibrant feed downtown, right. We don't want downtown 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.160 to be a ghost town every Friday and Saturday night. 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:36.959 So I do think there is a real question to 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.199 be had of like what do we imagine a fun 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.720 downtown space to look like? How do we help support 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.559 those businesses? Right, We've got too many restaurants going out 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:47.880 of business. So how can we help them? How can 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.400 we help the bar stand business? And if we just 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.640 start shutting everything down, it's going to make it really 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:53.840 hard on our business owner. 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.719 Yeah, I mean, and I appreciate the work the hustle here. 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:58.600 It's like, hey, listen, you know, it's really expensive to 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.280 keep a brick and mortar going. We see restaurants closing 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:04.440 opening all the time. If I just took my wares 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:05.960 and put it in a food truck, now I could 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:09.400 sell maybe a few things from my menu or you 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.679 know some long those are maybe I just specialized in 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.800 doing some really good food. I can get the wheels, 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.880 I get the kitchen, I get the health permit, fire inspection. 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:18.880 You get all that done, and then I turn around, 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.400 and now the city goes, well, now you got to 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.560 close at eleven. Well, you know, I would imagine from 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.240 eleven to two or three am, that's you're probably making 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.280 a lot of money as the bars closed, as the 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:30.760 club's let out, or there's an event downtown, a ball game, 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.319 a concert, whatever it might be. That that's where you're 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:36.240 making your bank. And we're shutting that down. Why because 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:40.120 we can't control violence. It's a separate issue. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.400 I think these are separate issues exactly, And that's why 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.439 I was really pushing on the city administration, our captain 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.440 and our assistancity manager yesterday. I'm like, show me the data, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.280 show me the relationships here. You know, I can appreciate 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:57.080 that big crowdsed dunk people can be unruly. But again, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.240 if the problem is that people are being over served 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:02.280 in the bars so they're blackout drunks, you know, causing issues, 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.280 well let's go deal with that problem, right, That is 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:06.760 a separate issue than to be a small business trying 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.840 to feed some people late night through food truck. 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.079 Yeah. But but here's the thing. Well, you know we're 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.560 over served, people are drinks, they're having drinks. Okay, fine, 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.080 Then why do we have street festivals? Why why do 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.600 we have Taste of Cincinnati, Why do we have Octoberfest? 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.559 Why do we all these things downtown that serve alcohol 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.760 where people are getting served and then turn around it's 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.120 again the argument doesn't stand. It is because the city 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:34.920 endorses all this stuff. The city endorses those events. I 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:36.679 don't see how this is any different other than that's 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.800 a you know, probably a Thursday, Friday, Saturday night thing. 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.480 Yeah, and you know, there was some discussion to as 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:45.640 the administration talks through this around like the idea of 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.600 the food trucks on a normal day, right, separate successivals 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:50.720 can be in any place they're popping up their logic 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.800 park wherever. Okay, great, you know I asked questions around Okay, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.560 have we thought about designating specific spots? Have we thought 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.319 about how that could work with hermiting? 0:10:59.400 --> 0:10:59.559 Right? 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.560 I almost every city in the nation probably has had 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.640 food trucks, right, this is not a unique cocaty thing. 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.480 Yeah, all over the world. You know, you travel abroader 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:10.160 like they've got food trucks at three or four in 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.840 the morning and there are people out there taking a 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:15.480 machine gun out and spraying people. 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:19.240 It's not happening exactly, And especially as I know Cincinnati is. 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.520 We can look to other cities and say, oh, what 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.520 are the regulations that they're using with food trucks to 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.360 be able to make sure that things aren't getting out 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:28.280 of control. So that again with some of the pushback 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:31.080 I was adding to administration yesterday, which was, hey, there 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.920 are other solutions and options here if there are you know, 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:38.320 XYZ issues, Why didn't we do any research into how 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:40.959 other cities that's restless. And the other thing I was 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:44.800 really shocked by yesterday is in the presentation. So this 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.600 I think the food truck rule was changed in twenty 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.160 twenty three. They said they had no issues in twenty 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.840 twenty three, no issues, in twenty twenty four, got through 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:54.920 half of twenty twenty five, or at least the first 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.240 part twenty twenty five no issues, and then it was 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.560 just this summer where they saw some issues. So I 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.600 tried to act sking Okay, what caused that? You know, 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.320 what type of problem solving did we do? And I 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.240 just think ultimately we took an administration took a big 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:11.480 swing here without really doing some of the leg work 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:13.880 to look at what's actually happened here, what are the 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.320 problems we need to solve, versus punishing businesses that aren't 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:18.160 doing anything wrong. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:22.280 Well, you're being very polite, council Member Albe, and that's saying, well, 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.920 they took a big swing here. No, it's incompetence, is 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:26.760 what it is. I mean, you're looking for all these 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.400 straw men to blame the violence problems on, saying well 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.800 it's this, it's that's all these little It's not it's 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.880 it's a lack of leadership within the administration on that point, 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.680 whether it's this with the food trucks, or the way 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:41.439 the Harringer homicide was handled, or the street violence, the 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.160 beatdown where the you know, the person is charged later 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:49.080 and it was completely racially motivated. This whole thing is, 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.120 to me an indictment on the same administration. Do you 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.679 think it's time for new leadership specifically? And now we'll 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.600 see what the mayor ll race. I think Gaftab's gonna 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.880 win reelection, but is sure along the right person for 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:00.480 the US job. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.240 Here's what I can say. I know the administration over 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.680 the summer is being really responsive to issues that we saw, 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.360 and there were issues, let's be clear, you know, and 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.360 I can respect them. I know they're even with this. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:14.000 I'm going to go back to this food trucks and such. 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.040 What we've been digging in on, you know, this food 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.880 truck policy is my understanding, was really in response to 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:20.880 some of what they were hearing from our officers, the 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.720 officers saying there are the hot these hot spots. You know, 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.760 we think that food trucks are creating the hot spots 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.200 because people are gathering here and I want to respect 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.400 the fact that that's our officers coming back and getting 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.360 that feedback. But to me, there just needs to be 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.040 a little bit more like work on Okay, what are 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.839 the specific incidents, how many are there? Is it one 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:45.120 specific truck that's causing the issue? Is it one specific block, right, 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.240 and trying to do a little bit more problem solving 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.240 that specific to either that truck or that's that specific 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.800 spot versus again this wide uh you know, eleven PM 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.480 caught off that that impacts all these trucks that aren't 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.280 doing anything wrong. So again I want to be responsive 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.240 to to problem solving and understanding what our officers are 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.440 seeing on on our streets and doing all that. But 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:09.840 we got to look at the data and we've kind 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.840 of look at you know, what are the specific exes 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:17.200 that solve for this problem versus punishing small businesses that 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:18.120 are doing the right thing. 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:21.240 And this is all these of course of the termination 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:23.840 of Chief Teresa Thijia. I mean, when you have a 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.680 when you have an administration that and let's go back 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.920 to when thiji was hired three years ago. I was 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:33.640 looking at her comments following her being sworn in and said, no, 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:35.440 this is we're gonna we got to look at diversity, 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:39.320 equity and inclusion. We've got to continue the path we're 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:41.680 on right now with the community and make sure we're 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.560 engaging with people on the street. And Okay, I get 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.000 that at the time. Now you've got the food truck thing, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.040 You've got the curfews that looked like they didn't work 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:51.880 because the people are you know, they're still young people 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:54.480 out there doing what they do. You're empowering activists like 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.760 Iris Raley where she's interfering with police work. So we've 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.800 had a track record now and a bad policy decision saying, 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.280 you know, we're gonna treat criminals like victims and we're 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:05.880 gonna give them a slap on the wrist when they 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:07.600 get to court, and we're gonna let them out with 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:09.440 a two dollars bond, or we're gonna give them an 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:10.600 o R and they're gonna go out and get a 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.640 gun and shoot someone or cut their ankle, monor off. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:14.960 We're not gonna take this seriously. The mayor refuses to 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:19.200 lean on judges. You have these policies coming down from 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.880 people like shil Long and then you turn around and 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.200 fire Thiji. To me, that's like the food truck thing 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.160 all over again. You're blaming the wrong person. It's the 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.840 policies and how you handle things in the series and 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:30.880 of how you take crime and how you hold people 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.640 accountable as opposed to all this other stuff out there 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:35.600 in the ether. And I think and all, but it's 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:38.080 gonna it hurts people like you because I mean, let's 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.120 face it, I mentioned three thousand people running for council seats. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:43.960 You're one of the people could be displaced by this. 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.320 The voters are not gonna blame AFTAP, They're gonna blame 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:46.960 someone like you. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.360 Well, I'm definitely out there talking to our voters, and 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.640 I'll be honest. You know, I was in a community 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.920 council meeting at Price Hill and to kind of that 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.600 was a lot. You just threw out one of the 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.360 things that the person, uh, you know, stood up and 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.800 they have some questions, but they still up and they said, 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.480 you know, Cincinnati has the best police force in the nation. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.240 And I agree, right, But I think a key part 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.080 of that is the fact that we have the collaborative 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.760 agreement that we as a city did the work in 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.360 the early two thousands to make sure our police force 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.520 is the best in the nation. We do work with 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:26.200 community and across right this is the collaboration stick ty 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.640 word there. Right, no one person alone can fix anything, 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:33.200 right there. These are big things and so having that 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:37.680 collaboration across lawmakers, police force, and the community is a 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.440 really important part to how we function as a city 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.000 and how we keep everyone safe. So, you know, those 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:43.880 are values that I. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.640 Uphold, and I also I think Anna, my point is 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.040 those things can exist, they can coexist, and that's fine. 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.160 You know, we shouldn't be beating down on people who 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.680 are What I'm saying is is like we we look 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.280 at criminals now and treat them as victims as well. 0:16:57.840 --> 0:16:59.800 And that's part of the problem. There's people that look 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.040 at the way policing has changed and the collaborative Agreement 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:05.760 and the IRIS Raleigh Paul, these policies, hands off policies, 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:07.919 and there's people to go ow, I respect that. You know, 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:11.280 the police are great, They're keeping my neighborhood safe. And 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.240 what winds up happening is there's the small percentage of 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.720 criminals of sociopaths out there that are exploiting that and 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.960 we refuse to treat them like the criminal, repetitive criminal 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:23.200 element that they are. We're looking at reasons to why 0:17:23.480 --> 0:17:25.360 we need to release them rather than reasons we lock 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.480 them up. And you know who that hurts the same people. 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:28.359 These policies are. 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:28.879 That to protect. 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.720 You know what I think about what a safe community 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.720 looks like. I always say a safe community is one 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:37.600 where people are being paid enough to bard a roof 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:39.840 of their head, fresh food and table, access to healthcare, 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.119 and where kids have safe spaces. Right, And we can 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.440 get all of that right, I think we've done a 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.800 pretty good job. So when I as a lawmaker look 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.800 at what can we do to strengthen our community, it's 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.440 it's a guest and pollution where we're doing all of 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.119 those right. How do we help people get good paying jobs, 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.240 How do we build more housing so there's more housing 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.600 options out there, How do we help people get access 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.840 to healthcare? And you know we just talked about SNAP 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:08.240 and food. I am very, very worried about what SNAP 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.640 not being issued on this Saturday. What that is going 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:13.760 to do to our residents? Like we talked about people 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.840 are going to be desperate? What does that mean? So 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.840 whatever we can do to help stabilize families right and 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.920 meet people's basic needs community that's ultimately what's going to 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:25.600 make for a safer community. 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.480 A council member, I'll be I wish you all the 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.600 best between now an election day, I really do, and 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.800 we'll pick up the pieces, as we say, probably sometime 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.280 after the election. But I always appreciate the time and 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:39.800 your thoughtfulness. Thanks for jumping on this morn. 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:41.320 Thanks much, take care, good. 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.119 Luck, all the best. Scott Sloan Show with news in 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:50.600 just minutes on seven hundred WLW. Scott's Sloan Show here 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.199 on seven hundred WW. Welcome to got lots going on 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.640 in this wet Wednesday morning, but week's half over. It's 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.720 all good. Thanks again to council member. And I'll be 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.879 on the show a few minutes ago. So I know 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:05.119 she's a she's seeking office, and she's a Democrat, but 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:07.679 seeing some common ground here, I mean, first and foremost, 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.439 I don't care a Democrat Republican. The government shutdown right 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:15.280 now is nonsense. And you know the idea as well, 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:17.760 if we could just get the Democrats to admit they're wrong. 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:19.399 When the Democrats are going, if we could just get 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:21.240 the Republicans to admit they're wrong, what we need to 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.359 do is force them Tom, they're both wrong. Is that 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.200 you sit down. He made your point, Now figure it out, 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.240 fix it, And I get it. We know we're just 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.639 subsidizing stuff, and the Democrat existence is to subsidize it. 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:34.359 We got to subsidize. We've got a subsett we need 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.679 more subsidy, which means what it means you're still spending 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.439 well even more money on things in order to make 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:45.119 it affordable for people. So basically, like the Democrats are 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.160 about giving up coupons, it's a coupon, it's a voucher. 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.240 Got a coupon. Well, it's a coupon. Well, I need 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.880 food or healthcare. It's this much. But here's a coupon 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.080 for eighty percent off fifty percent. Great, But who's paying 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.399 for that? Well, we all are. So we're just borrowing 0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:03.080 more money we don't have. We have a thirty eight 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.720 trillion dollar deficit, and there's complicity there. The other side 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:08.720 of it is, and I've yet to hear an argument 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.560 from Republicans, is the how you fix healthcare? Because we 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.520 are in benefit season right now, it's time to make 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.920 those tough decisions. See how much more you're going to 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:18.520 cause it's going to come out of your check for 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:20.560 how less coverage you're going to wind up doing. And 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:23.760 it's not because you know your evil corporate overlords want 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:25.520 it that way. It's the way the system it's jacked up. 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:27.879 You know, if we don't like a THEACA, if we 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.199 don't like affordable care, if a legal of subsidy, you 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.240 have the power controlling both sides, both the House and 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.800 the Senate and the Presidency, to be able to maybe 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:38.280 implement something to fix it. So give me a plan. 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:42.399 Say what you all about subsidies, which I hate, but 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:46.280 it does something for people. If it's broken, it doesn't work, 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:48.480 and subsidies are terrible, then then come up with a 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:52.240 way to fix the healthcare system. And yet what do 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:54.560 we do we have My side is right, your side 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.720 is wrong. We have a government that is not functioning. 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:01.520 We have a Congress that can't pass a budget. They 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:03.960 have one job. And in my lifetime now there have 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.600 been two times where we've balanced the budget. We haven't 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:08.520 been able to do that. The other three thousand years 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:13.440 I've been alive. Not good, not good. To blame. Well, 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.120 Trump's out in the dead in another country, and it's 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.520 not on Trump, it's on Congress. Now, can he say 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:22.600 something that maybe encourage Yeah, I guess, but again that's 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.800 you're not understanding. The most basic sense of government is 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.840 it is the United States Congress, and when they don't 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.040 do stuff, then what happens is we give all the 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:33.639 power to the president, either Biden or in this case Trump, 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.600 and he uses his pen and executive power to write 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:41.359 an executive order when Congress should be doing this stuff. Okay, 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:45.360 I get it. You made your point. Time to probably 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.320 pass another continuing resolution, kick the can down the road 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:50.240 for another and shut it down in seven weeks we'll 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:53.159 have this conversation again. It's exhausting, is what it is. 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.560 Relative to Anna Albey, And I think it's interesting now 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:00.000 we have more evidence here of the incompetence of sheer 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.160 Along in particular. And I would say, after Tod pure 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:05.120 vol put them in the same boat. And if I'm 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:07.400 a if are in council right now, like I don't, 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:09.480 I'll be I would not be as genteel as she was, 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:12.719 uh and worried about party politics and kissing the ring 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:14.679 and everything else, because after to have puervoal is going 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:17.000 to cost somebody their seat. Now he's going to wind 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:20.800 up getting re elected. Could I be wrong, absolutely been 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:23.800 wrong before. But if you look at the fundraising, if 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:26.399 you look at the power of the incumbency and everything else, 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:29.560 and it's not an insult of all the Corey Bowman, 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:32.800 then Corey's a great guy. He's got some decent ideas. 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:36.679 But being a pastor who is related to JD. Vance 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:42.479 in deep, deep blue Cincinnati is not good. There's baggage already. 0:22:42.480 --> 0:22:44.040 People are going to pay attention, people are just going 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:45.920 to tune them out instantly, and so by default I 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.439 have to have wins. Could I be wrong? Could we 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:53.240 have the huge upset? Sure one hundred percent. Is it possible, 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:57.719 But it's unlikely. I think what's more likely are how 0:22:57.800 --> 0:23:01.359 voters respond relative to the city council. It feels like, 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:04.879 you know, I can't change that with AFTAB, but I 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:09.280 sure as hell can change the makeup of counsel, and 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.600 probably for the better. So I don't understand if you 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.120 are one of these folks, and maybe it's for office 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:17.520 later on down the line, or another appointment or something 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:19.040 like that, if you kiss the ring, you get that. 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:22.760 Maybe that's part of politics, I guess is if you 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.480 are the good soldier, you'll get rewarded. Somewhere along the line. 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:27.960 But in the short term, you're out of a job. 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.120 I just think voters are pissed off enough to start 0:23:31.119 --> 0:23:33.520 holding people accountable. If it can't be Aftab, maybe it's 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:36.120 someone else on counsel. That's unfortunate, because I think we've 0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:37.719 got some good and a few people that maybe not 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:39.439 so good on counsel will probably have to go anyway. 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.920 But nonetheless, we have this new story out yesterday and 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:48.280 the choir regarding what transpired right before share Long fired 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:51.640 chief Thiji. No, she's not fired, she's just done paid 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:56.439 administrative leave. Okay. Well, you named an interim superintendent in 0:23:56.480 --> 0:24:04.200 Adam Haney. Okay, So if you name someone in interim 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:06.960 head coach, that means you're waiting for the next head 0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:10.320 coach to come along. If you're acting head coach, you're 0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:13.200 waiting for the person who's the coach to come back 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:14.760 or get better or whatever it is the reason they 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:16.920 took leave in the first place. So right away, you're 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.399 telling me that she's fired, even without saying she's fired. 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.680 So this email comes out on August fifteenth, I'm sure 0:24:22.680 --> 0:24:27.440 along to Thiji, and it mandated that all communications external 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:30.280 meetings announcements have to be clear through the city manager's 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:35.280 office because she needs to save face because it's a 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:37.840 bad look. You caught me off guard when you said 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:39.119 you want to be on a task force to the 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:42.560 Hamlin County Police Chiefs Association and Tim Holloway to address 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:46.040 the revolving justice system, because the problem here, one of 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:48.440 the problems is the justice system. We know how drunk 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:50.560 and broke it is, where we have judges that are 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:53.639 taking people with very serious charges against them and giving 0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:55.320 them better for the doubt that they they're going to 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:57.080 show back up to court, that they're going to go 0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:00.240 talk to their probation officer and get a job and 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:02.000 all these things, and then they turn around and pick 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.520 up a gun that's probably the almost the same gun 0:25:04.560 --> 0:25:05.960 that they got in trouble with in the first place, 0:25:06.000 --> 0:25:07.879 and go on commit even worse crimes. And we have 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:09.960 a steady drum beat of that for a long time, 0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:13.399 but especially this summer. That is a reasonable thing for 0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:15.720 a chief to do to go, hey, listen, my men 0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:17.639 and women that didn't move line. The officers of the 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:21.240 City of Cincinnati, Hamlin County Sheriff's Department. We got a 0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:25.080 problem here because we're catching people, we're apprehending them, we're 0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:28.840 giving you the charges. Prosecuted does what they do, and 0:25:28.880 --> 0:25:33.280 the judge simply says, well, these are just these are criminals, 0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:35.080 but they're victims too, when we have to treat them 0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:38.200 like they're victims, which is the mentality I think from 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:41.320 progressives largely, whether it's in the bench or whether it's 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:44.080 the city manager and the mayor of the city of Cincinnati, 0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:48.040 and so again, more worried about optics, more worried about 0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:50.320 being caught off guard, and more worried about how things 0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:53.919 look the perception is, rather than your safety. You know, 0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:56.520 we're more worried about how we look to the wrestler. Well, 0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.280 when that video splashed with it beat down in July, 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:01.200 the hell we look to the rest of the world. 0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:04.320 I was halfway around the rest of the world in 0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:07.480 Australia and that was on the news. I turned on 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:09.720 the TV. Michelle's getting ready, We're gonna go to dinner, 0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:13.480 last few days of our trip, our bucket list trip, 0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:16.000 and I'm watching this violence. I'm looking at it going on. 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.080 It looks horrible. I wonder if that's Chicago or is 0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:20.400 it La Is it Nope? Is a point, it's got 0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:24.439 to be Portland that looks like Nope, Cincinnati, Ohio, Holy crap, 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:29.320 Holy crap. Here we go. So the optics are, you're 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.560 not doing your job and that's the problem. Wh You're 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:33.520 all worried about how things look. You're not focused on 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:36.680 the important stuff. So she goes at THEIJI and says, 0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:39.359 there's some challenges messaging. It can cause in confusion, and 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.840 we got to be united on safety and messaging. And 0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:46.119 now we just hired Frost Brown Todd at what forty 0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:49.199 fifty thousand dollars to come up with reasons why we 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:53.040 fired Chief Thiji after we fired her is to justify 0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:54.840 that behavior. And it may take months. It's going to 0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:56.840 take well after the election, that's for sure. Maybe by 0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:58.200 the first of the year we'll have an answer on 0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:00.400 this thing. About the same time we'll have and answer 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:02.240 as to what the hell happened in July twenty six 0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:04.439 with the street beatdown. No word about that either, by 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:07.040 the way normally stuff comes out, there's no we're not 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:08.600 hearing a word about that because there's an election to 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:14.280 be one, damn it. Nonetheless, it doesn't this undermine the 0:27:14.280 --> 0:27:17.040 money that you're spending already with this law firm. One 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:21.479 may ask, because what you're trying to do is come 0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:23.919 up to the reason why you fire Chief Thigi. And 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.719 Chief Thigi says, well, listen, there's nothing in my jacket. 0:27:26.720 --> 0:27:29.040 I've been here thirty five, thirty six years. There's just 0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:31.199 a significant You have no cause to fire me. You 0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:33.240 don't need cause with a contract, but there's no cause. 0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:33.400 There. 0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:36.359 Give me a reason why my incompetence. I did something wrong. 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:38.639 I was stealing money, I was paying an officers, I 0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.840 was doing something illegal. If not, I'm doing something that 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:44.800 is against my code of conduct. Here, I'm not doing 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:48.359 There's more I could be doing relative to policing. What 0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:52.879 is that woman not doing is a question. And the 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:55.399 new of the interim chief how much different is he 0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:58.000 than Thiji? And the idea here is well, we've got 0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:00.919 to separate Chief Thegi's behavior of our policies. We've got 0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:05.200 to look for the behavior of Chiefdiji to justify firing her, 0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.399 and that's what we're looking for here. Well, this doesn't 0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:11.800 help that case, does it, Because now if this memo 0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:15.200 comes out, if this leak's ount and City ser Long 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:17.520 is saying, well, listen, we got to rein you in, 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:20.680 you're going off the reservation. Now we've got to control 0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:23.359 all your communications and meetings and announcement. It's got to 0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:25.720 be cleared through my office. Not not like, hey, let 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:27.240 me know it's gone to but cleared. I have to 0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:29.639 approve who you're meeting with, who you're talking to, what 0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.080 you're thinking, and what you're about to say. Doesn't that 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:36.440 look to you like the chief or any chief or 0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:40.480 any administrative leader in our city doesn't have autonomy that 0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:42.800 the mayor and the city manager under the mayor are 0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:47.200 dictating policy. Doesn't that undermine that money that you, the taxpayers, 0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.240 are spending on this law firm to find out reasons 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:53.640 why we're looking for something anything to blame Terry Thigi 0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:57.840 for to justify her dismissal. And then you come out 0:28:57.880 --> 0:29:00.320 in this and I think this helps Terry Thief a lot, 0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:01.760 and I think there's a reason why this this was 0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:05.960 leaked out. But nonetheless, Long said, any outreach or contact 0:29:06.000 --> 0:29:09.520 with elected officials must go through the city director's Government 0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:12.960 Affairs office. So she can't talk, she can't think, she 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:16.640 can't do it. She has no autonomy to kind of, 0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.000 you know, press some levers and make some noise in 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:24.000 order to police the way she sees fit. That totally 0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:28.240 underminds that argument, I think. So she's on administrative leave. 0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:30.480 And then the other thing that comes out of this email, 0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.320 which I think is really funny, and Willie, you'll probably 0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:35.240 be talking more. As the timeline with this is, we 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:40.280 get the Fountain Square shooting downtown on October thirteenth, and 0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.920 there's growing public concerns, as you know, to everything from 0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.200 Patrick Hairringer to the viral fight and everything else. So 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:49.440 two days later, after the Fountain Square thing, she leaves 0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:51.840 for Denver, or maybe the night before she left for Denver, 0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:55.120 Terry Thiji for this conference. So two days past at 0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:59.080 nine twenty six am, Fiji emails sheer Along and the 0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:03.440 HR director about payroll issue. She mentions in the communication 0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:06.800 it's her thirty sixth anniversary with the city and said 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.080 I can't stay forever here forever, so I just want 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:11.560 to plan. No one knows what that means, and so 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.680 Long and the HR director say, well, we'll meet about 0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:17.880 this particular staffing issue. Payroll describe maybe it's her payroll, 0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:21.920 I don't know whatever. That's in the morning. By the afternoon, sure, 0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:26.000 Long texts Terry Thiji, who's at this police conference in Denver, 0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:29.360 saying call me, call me at one seventeen, call me. 0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:32.479 Terry's in a car on a way the conference's got 0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:34.320 another chiefs in the vehicle and says, well, can I 0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:38.120 wait till I get back to the hotel, And didn't 0:30:38.120 --> 0:30:41.080 get a response other than maybe no. But at that 0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:43.600 point she also, I'm guessing she realized what's going on. 0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:46.120 She got a statement from the Reds praising her for 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.800 her work and trying to fight crime downtown and sends 0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:53.240 that to share a long and about this time here 0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:56.000 on seven hundred WWT, it's the afternoon, Willie is on 0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:59.160 at about one o'clock in the afternoon, and how fast 0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.400 world travels is evidence in this too. Is about the 0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.960 time that Sharon Long is about to call Terry Thigi 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:07.880 back and write her question. She'd come back from Denver. 0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:11.320 The word has already gotten out that Terry Thigi is 0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:14.280 coming back to be fired. Remember that happened? Is like 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.800 they've called the chief back. She needs to get back 0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:21.280 as an urgent concern. Fiji then mentions back to shar 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:24.160 Long because she's in Denver. She said, well, I much 0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:26.520 have mentioned like I don't know, are you hearing anything 0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.120 out there? She said, I hadn't gotten any calls. Maybe 0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:33.040 WLW being typical dramatic, is what Terry Thigi said. And 0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:35.280 I'm guessing that as a reaction to us here on 0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:38.520 this radio station, particularly Bill Cunningham talking about what's happening 0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:42.360 with Terry Thigi, Like the words already spreading because Terry knew, 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:44.360 and if Terry knew, other people who know, because she's 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:46.440 probably gonna maybe talk to some people about and say, 0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:48.800 they're calling me back from Denver, what the hell's going 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.080 on in the city. I think that's a reasonable thing, 0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:54.600 like what happened. Now, it's been two days since the 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:56.640 Fountain Square shooting. We have something else going on. I 0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:58.840 got to come back. What's happening? And someone said, no, 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:00.920 there's nothing going on there, just summoning you back, which 0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:03.480 then would indicate you're about to get fired. You don't 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.760 call someone back in for no reason whatsoever. Going well, 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:08.480 we've got some man, we've got some leadership things we 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:09.960 got to talk about. But I'm at a conference. I 0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:12.520 can't wait. No, you need to come back right now. So, 0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.760 of course word travels fast, and the word gets out 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:20.600 that and you Willie was right, we're not being dramatic. 0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:25.800 You got fired. And then there's some other tacks saying, 0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:27.880 in light of the recent high profile incident and heighten 0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.160 public attention surrounding it, we need you back in town 0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:31.880 in the earliest flight you can catch, please call me, 0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.800 which sounds very pre in light of the recent higher 0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:37.480 profile incident, heightened public attention surrounding and we need you 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:41.200 back in town because she hadlready made that decision to 0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:45.600 let her go. I mean heightened public attention. We're kind 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:48.440 of at peak on Monday. Okay, that happened on the weekend, 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.840 and two days by two days, okay, we settled the nan. 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:54.360 It's like, okay, there's heightened public attention to the fountains 0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.280 Grose shooting, for sure, But why would you call her 0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:59.040 back from Denver. There's nothing you can do about what 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:01.959 happened forty eight hours earlier. There's nothing unless you had 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.640 some information about some sort of I don't know, planned 0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:07.640 attack or planned criminal activity. There's no reason for her 0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:09.440 to do that. And that was like the end of 0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:13.280 the conversation. And then she came back and then by 0:33:13.320 --> 0:33:15.320 the twentieth on the twenties, so that was five days 0:33:15.320 --> 0:33:18.719 after that is when the City and tear and UH 0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:22.400 and Share Along places Stigi on administratively paid administrative pending 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:25.920 internal investigation and the effectiveness of her leadership. And of 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:28.720 course she's lawyered up. She's a political scapegoat. I believe 0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:30.600 that to be true. I agree with Steve m on this. 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:34.520 But the whole thing is the fact that this indicates 0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:38.480 to me that most certainly share along and most certainly 0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:41.600 have to puival dictate the policy. You're now hired a 0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:45.720 law firm to prove the exact opposite. Terry. Theg is like, look, 0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:48.400 you're the piper. You call the tune. If you're worried 0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:51.920 about DEEI, if you're at about treating our criminals like victims, 0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:54.080 that's the game you want to play with your administration. 0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:55.680 That's how you were on the city. I take my 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:59.040 orders from you, Okay, I'll fall in line and make 0:33:59.040 --> 0:34:01.880 sure the troops fall along. And to that degree, I 0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.000 think that's why she had a rift with maybe some 0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.320 of the beat cops, and she was not really loved 0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:09.480 all that much by the beat cops. It was kind 0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:11.800 of a love hate situation. I guess from what I understand. 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:13.360 And you know, if you're a boss, you're not going 0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:15.680 to keep everybody happy, especially if you're the chief of 0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:18.520 police and you have a police union. And I get that, 0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:22.440 but I also think that if you're going to take 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.799 that job, they're going to tell you what to do 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:26.560 and how to do it, and you're just going to 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:28.720 kind of follow it. And you know what, you're blaming 0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:34.239 Terry Thiji for your bad policies. You made bad policy decisions. 0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:36.879 It sounds like you took some I don't know, some 0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:40.080 study from Harvard or some sort of nutty professor that 0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:42.560 told you the way to keep the peace is to 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:45.520 simply appease the criminals rather than lock them up and 0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.040 be strong about it. You know, we're gonna empty the jails, 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:49.680 we're gonna have no bond, we're gonna have a war. 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:53.680 And now a percentage of the population takes advantage of 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:55.239 that because that's what they do, not all of it, 0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.040 but a small percentage of the criminal And this is 0:34:58.040 --> 0:34:59.560 what you wind up getting. And so that's not the 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.480 fault of Cary Thig. That is the fault of failed 0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:06.359 leadership above Terry Thig, and she's paying the price. Very 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:09.919 interesting though, it sounds to me like the mayor's office 0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:14.120 and sherlong dictate how Terry Thigi should perform her job. 0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:16.880 I mean, controlling the what she's saying or thinking sounds 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:20.880 to me like they're underminding the whole investigation. They desired 0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.440 a big law for them to do, and it just 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:26.879 gets crazier every day, really does. We'll get a time 0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:28.959 out and we've got news in just about four minutes 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:32.520 here on seven hundred WW when we return County Commissioner 0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.359 at Lisha Reese on this show, can the county help 0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:37.040 plug the looming snap gap that's about to hit on Saturday? 0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:39.600 We'll get into that and much more just ahead when 0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.440 the Scott's Loan Show continues after this on seven hundred WW. 0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:45.000 You want to be an American idiot? 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:48.480 Scott blown back on seven hundred WWS. So we have 0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:50.920 a coalition about half of the United States, the United 0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:54.640 States and District of Columbia are suing the Trump administration 0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:57.720 over the suspension of food staff benefits. With the government 0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:01.040 shutdown happening right now so here in Ohio, we can't 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:03.920 control DC. But now we're going, all right, what about Snap? 0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.240 What about TAMP? What about Wick? What about that money 0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:08.120 if we don't get federal funds. Is looking that way 0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:11.960 as we get closer to Saturday. Locally, Governor Dewin said 0:36:12.000 --> 0:36:15.440 he's studying options involving state money. I had a council 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.120 member all be on earlier this morning and she said 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.480 the city's looking at this too, And the county held 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:24.160 they hearing yesterday where Alicia Reese was a holding court 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:26.840 as she usually does. Commissioner Reese welcome, how are you? 0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:32.480 Oh, I've had better days. I'll tell you that, better days. 0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:36.359 I bet this is tough, unbelievable. Yeah, we got so 0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:38.399 to bring people up to speed on this. To bring 0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:41.879 up to speed, one point four million Ohioans reliance SNAP 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:45.919 benefits and about forty three thousand kids, so roughly one 0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:48.560 in eight folks who live in Hamlin County are getting 0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:52.880 some form of SNAP benefits. Every month in Hamlin County, 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:58.600 SNAP pays out nineteen million dollars. I said, nineteen million 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:02.640 a month. With your budget and even the city's budget, 0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:05.760 I don't know how you overcome that, Alicia. 0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:08.600 Yeah, I mean it is you look at it. We 0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:10.960 can overcome it. I mean we're talking to almost two 0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:14.840 hundred and forty million a year, and we're looking at 0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:17.439 ninety seven thousand of those people, like you said, right 0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:21.160 here in Hambleton County, and you know they yesterday the 0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.080 Director of Jobs to Family Services. One of the things 0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:26.280 he talked about is these are people who are working. 0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:30.680 Majority of these people who actually work every day, some 0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.319 of them working two and three jobs. You're looking at 0:37:33.440 --> 0:37:37.239 children who in it's to children. Then you're looking at 0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:40.160 senior citizens who pay their dues. 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:41.239 There. 0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:43.640 You know, that's a big chunk of people. 0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.520 I mean, you're very pro veteran ye serve. 0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:50.640 Yeah, veterans who serve this country. I mean, this is 0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:56.480 this is unbelievable. And to deny them something as basic 0:37:56.560 --> 0:38:00.000 as being able to have food on the table is unbelievable. 0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.600 And then one of the things the food free Store 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:06.799 Food Bank, which you know the in world hunger that's 0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:09.440 one of my it's just been dear, dear, my heart, 0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:12.120 and I've always worked with them for you know, most 0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:15.040 of my life helping. One of the things that was 0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:18.319 said that we can't food pantry ourselves out and do it, 0:38:19.080 --> 0:38:22.640 you know, even with the money that we have that we. 0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:23.360 Had from Snap. 0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:25.960 We had Snap and food Bank was kind of a 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:30.200 gap filler. It was never the main line, and so 0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:32.520 it won't be we won't be able to We're going 0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:35.879 to put more money toward that. We as a as 0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:39.680 a county commission, we've put about two million dollars with 0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:42.279 the OURPA money that we did. We're looking for more 0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:45.960 opera money. We know we probably got at least another 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:49.480 two hundred thousand. We're scraping to sign some others, so 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.160 that number may go up, but we know that that 0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:57.560 is just a temporary situation. Then what people don't understand 0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:02.320 the economic impact of the snap benefits. In other words, 0:39:02.360 --> 0:39:05.640 for every dollar that we put in you talked about 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:09.960 the nineteen million, we get one dollar and fifty four 0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:13.160 cents back. So we're talking about almost you know, over 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:16.960 two hundred close three hundred million dollars economically in the 0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.600 economy to keep this economy going, because. 0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:21.640 You're going to buy stuff, You're going to go to 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:23.480 the store, you're going to go to Kroger, whatever, and 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.319 that money gets pumped back into the economy, and that 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.600 means jobs and a fewer people are done. You know, Okay, 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.760 you don't need that many people at Kroger working wherever. 0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:33.880 You get your groceries and you can't you keep I 0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:36.359 talked to a Kurt Ryber on Monday Show, Alicia Reese, 0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:38.520 CEO of the Freestar Food Bank, and he was he 0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:41.000 was kind about that. They said, well, I'm optimistic we'll 0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:43.120 get this thing settled now here it is, you know, 0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:44.600 we're heading in the back half the week, and all 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.400 of a sudden that's not looking at a certainty or 0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:50.600 a guarantee for sure. But he said, look, we might 0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:52.640 have to open twice a month to folks who are 0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.640 on snap are supposed to once a month, and he's 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:57.520 going to have to lean on his vendors as suppliers. 0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:00.200 And of course the generosity of Cincinnatians and and they 0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:02.800 serve not just Cincinnati, but as you know, like twenty counties. 0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:06.120 So if you're hearing this and like I have, make 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:08.759 a donation the free Store Food Bank. Because it's that 0:40:08.880 --> 0:40:11.359 time of the year and now we're getting to you know, 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:13.879 Thanksgiving and Christmas when the need is even great. It's 0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:15.720 like the worst time possible for this to happen. 0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:19.799 It's the worst time possible. And as you indicate it, 0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:22.760 we looked at also the Director of Jobs and Family 0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:26.360 Services because all of the snap benefits don't happen just 0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:28.839 at the beginning of the month. Right, We've got half 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:30.520 at the beginning of the month, so we've got a 0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:34.520 group that will be impacted November first. Then we've got 0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.960 another half where theirs are in the middle of the month, 0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:41.960 so theirs would go out right at Thanksgiving. I mean, 0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:46.320 it's unbelievable. And then you talked about Kroger's and others. 0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:50.640 They're small, there's farmers' markets, there's smaller retails. Over almost 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:56.040 ten thousand retails stores throughout Ohio will be affected. So 0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:58.360 now we're talking about some you know, some of the 0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:02.160 smaller stores as well as that affect you know, Kroger's 0:41:02.200 --> 0:41:06.000 and all those because the less people buy, right, the 0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:09.040 higher the prices and so. And then some of the 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:12.480 smaller retail stores, the farmer markets and those kinds of things, 0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:15.760 some of them have indicated they might go out of business. 0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:18.279 And those are the ones that provide the fresh fruit 0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:21.239 into some of these food desert areas, so it's a 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:25.000 trickle effect. Then you have senior citizens who many are 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:27.800 on medicine, and some children that have to take medicines, 0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:31.719 and now you have to decide can I afford the 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:34.799 medicine or the food. And everybody knows when you take 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.160 medicine that it says you got to eat with the medicine. 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:42.120 So it's a trickle down effect. And then we had CMHA, 0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:45.480 a director come in and he said it also affects 0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:49.560 because now we're talking about housing and his program has 0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:53.920 because of the government shut down. He indicated that it 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:58.200 will affect people with affordable housing as well. And you know, 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.000 we've been pushing affordable housing. Will people be able to 0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:04.359 have a place to live? Yeah, And you know, it's slow, 0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:06.480 it's just everything. And you know, I've been on this 0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:11.239 property taxes. He just chilling us, you know, and we 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:14.319 did that. We did that Bengals dealsloan and they took 0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:17.120 out thirty percent, so we can't even try to get 0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:21.319 to thirty percent rebate. Then the state would not do 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:23.480 anything on the property taxes. 0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:25.759 Yet they're still trying to. 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:27.880 Figure that out. What's going on. And that's that's a 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:31.080 whole separate, complex issue, right And then the man time 0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:34.120 it is coming up bottom line is Saturday. Unless things 0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:36.520 change in Washington, a lot of people are going to 0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:39.719 have to do without. And I, you know, I look 0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.320 at this thing Alicia Reese's you know, and and we 0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:46.719 even mentioned, for example, the federal workers for example, who 0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:48.520 are working out of the paycheck. And I said, when 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:50.960 this thing started, I was like, Okay, it's theater, is 0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:53.120 what it is. And then what happens is in about 0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:55.560 thirty days that theater becomes reality. So you see the 0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:58.720 snap benefits cut concerns with the FAA. You have Frederick 0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:01.920 workers now missing a couple pass. You know, most families 0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:04.440 can afford. You know, Okay, can we tighten it up 0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:06.520 for till the next pay cycle? Sure, we do that 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:09.200 all the time. You start talking a couple of pay cycles, 0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:11.839 it's a different story entirely. And yet these people still 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:12.759 have to show up to work. 0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:16.560 Yeah, they got to show up to work not getting paid. Song. 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:20.240 Now we're in twenty twenty twenty five, right, twenty twenty 0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:24.800 five people working and not getting paid. Come on, and 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:28.880 in this society there be a furlough. These people have 0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:33.000 home mortgages, they will have the property taxes, We doe 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:38.120 their gas and electrics do Now you're talking over here 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:41.040 those with the snap benefits now they can't get anything 0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:44.520 to eat. Children's families worried. 0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:46.320 How problems gonna be a problem. 0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:51.000 This is outrageous, and then the song we have until 0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:53.960 this Thursday, and I don't think it's gonna go. The 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:57.800 state then said, hey, you fix the problem on property taxes. 0:43:58.239 --> 0:44:01.440 And you saw Butler County and Warrant County they looking 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:05.440 to double the homestead to help the seniors. But it 0:44:05.480 --> 0:44:07.880 doesn't look like you know, I asked the ministrator to 0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:10.480 look at all options, and it doesn't seem like I'm 0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:13.359 going to get the support to be able to do 0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:16.560 that here in Hamilton County. So now what do we do. 0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:20.360 We can't give the homeowners to break federal workers furloughs. 0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:24.040 That's your middle class that they're working with no paycheck. 0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:27.640 Senior citizens have done their time and they can't now 0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:30.120 get anything to eat. They don't know if to pay 0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:32.040 for the medicine or can they pay to get something 0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:36.000 to eat. Children out here hungry. These ninety seven thousand 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:40.680 people affected about the snap benefits, like you said, nutrition 0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:43.239 and all that, they can't even get anything to eat, 0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:45.200 and most of them are working every day. 0:44:45.560 --> 0:44:47.239 I mean, what are we doing here? 0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:49.839 Yeah, I mean pretty soon it's gonna be you're gonna 0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:51.439 look at it and go Okay, Well I can feed 0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:53.640 my kids or I can pay the electric bill. And 0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:55.239 you know, you can have a really good job and 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:57.160 good income stream and still feel the pinch of the 0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:59.360 spatic Hell, Lisha, You've got a couple of year you 0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:01.799 make money and you still have a hard time painting 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:02.520 your electric bill. 0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:08.359 Hey, let me just say let me say this, Let 0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:09.000 me say this. 0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:09.759 I am. 0:45:10.120 --> 0:45:14.279 I am a normal working person and I and I 0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:15.640 have the struggles of everybody. 0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:16.240 Everybody. 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:19.160 Because this morning Alicia was a little late because her 0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:21.120 phone died because her power went out. And I said, well, 0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:22.560 I mean you gotta pay that, you gotta pay, you 0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:22.920 gotta pay. 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:26.520 Duke Kennedy, girl, I jumped up, so said, I said 0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:30.400 my glasses. I said, wait, MANE is saying, and you know, 0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:32.200 get get my lesture. 0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.680 I got my receipt. I'm gonna waving in somebody's face. 0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:36.640 It was a power out. 0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:38.560 Somebody won't be talking. 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:41.719 Yeah, that's what it is. I love the conspiracy, I 0:45:42.080 --> 0:45:47.120 really do us. She's Alicia County Commissioner on. 0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:48.759 The show It's Low. 0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:50.880 Let me just tell people, I've got the five or 0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:54.480 three release bus and we have helped thirty thousand people 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:57.240 where we got the bus going all over the county. 0:45:57.440 --> 0:45:59.439 We're going to try to connect people to as much 0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:01.839 help as we have available to them. 0:46:01.920 --> 0:46:02.239 Right now. 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:03.880 We're bringing food, we're. 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.640 Bringing all kind of help from jobs and family services, 0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:09.000 anything we have. We're going to try to connect them 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:11.640 and answer the problems that they may have. And we 0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:15.080 also try to get people. Let's get these unclaimed funds, every. 0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:17.960 Little dollar count. We're in a nine to one one right. 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:21.320 Now, we are, and you hope that cooler heads prevail. 0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:24.200 Like if I were to talk to you know, Democrats 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:26.760 and Republicans, I think the sentiment of the country is, Okay, 0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:29.520 you made your point. You made your point. Now once 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:32.040 you get past. And the reason why the longest shutdown 0:46:32.080 --> 0:46:34.839 was thirty five days is because after you know, first 0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:37.239 few weeks at theater, once you start to get past 0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:40.440 that thirty day, market really starts to hurt people who 0:46:40.480 --> 0:46:43.120 don't deserve it. And you know, so at the end 0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:44.880 of the day is you know, could play party politics 0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:46.719 and our side's got to win and crush the other side. 0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:49.799 But you know when when individual families and kids and 0:46:49.880 --> 0:46:52.640 veterans and seniors are getting squeezed out and literally not 0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:55.759 getting food, I think that's time both sides have to go. Look, 0:46:55.760 --> 0:46:58.560 we made our point. We've eventually got a govern here. 0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:00.839 We got to legislate and let's fit this problem through 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:03.440 the legislative action, not executive order. And a lot of 0:47:03.440 --> 0:47:06.440 people blame Trump for all this thing, but it's party politics. 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:08.920 It's the lines are so defined and it's such a 0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:12.440 gap between the two parties right now. This is why 0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:15.399 Congress largely we're sending them to Washington. What are they doing. 0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:17.200 All they're doing is shutting. They came and bounce a 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.319 budgetally share you got one job, you can't do that, 0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:21.919 and then you shut the government down like every ten 0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:23.000 minutes on the tens. 0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:26.279 Well, we got to come together. But this is an 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:29.800 economics fight. We've got to fight going right now. Sloan 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:33.680 from creating the have and the have not and the 0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:37.759 have nots is growing and getting crushed at whatever they do. 0:47:37.920 --> 0:47:40.560 I encourage all of them to come together, but we 0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:42.640 also got to make sure that we can afford to 0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:45.560 go to the hospital. I mean, I mean it's an 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.240 economics fight. Like you said, whether it's a snap benefit, 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:53.240 whether it's a property Texas, whether it's you know, whether 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:55.640 it's cannot afford to go to the hospital right now, 0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:59.279 because you know, we can't. Basically, America, we just can't 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:01.279 afford to pay. We can't pay more to go to 0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:03.520 the hospital. We can't pay more to go to the doctors. 0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:05.960 We can't go out here and cut our snap benefits. 0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:09.239 We can't pay more for property takes. We just squeezed. 0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:12.200 So the economy has squeezed us. And like you said, 0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:15.439 here we are down at the bottom, trying to trying 0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:18.399 to survive. And I think I would want all of them. 0:48:18.719 --> 0:48:20.759 I don't care who you are. Take the posits out 0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:23.520 of it enough, fight for Americans to be able to look. 0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.680 Forward, to live, go back and negotiate and come up 0:48:26.719 --> 0:48:30.080 with something. And you know, Democrats, it's about subsidence. I 0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:33.360 think subsidy is terrible because it's just making affordable or 0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:36.120 I guess pretending to make affordable something that's not. You're 0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:38.120 taking cash from one pallem, move it to another. At 0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:39.400 the end of the day, this is why we've got 0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:43.000 a thirty eight trillion dollar deficit with the subsidies. Republicans, 0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:44.640 and I've talked to many of my friends in the 0:48:44.719 --> 0:48:48.040 right side of the owl, talk about you know, empowering 0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:49.719 people to take care of better care of their health 0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:51.799 and incentivizing well and it's that's all well and good, 0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:54.480 but that takes ten, twenty, thirty forty years or more 0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:56.600 for that to take it. We need a plan right now. 0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:59.040 We need to fix the broken healthcare system right now. 0:48:59.040 --> 0:49:01.600 We don't need more substant and we don't need, you know, 0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:05.520 to empower people in future generations to get healthy. We 0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:08.360 still need to have people today that have cancer, that 0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:11.880 have diabetes, that are in wheelchairs, that have mental illness, 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:14.759 all those things, and we're not we're not addressing that. 0:49:14.840 --> 0:49:16.640 We're just kicking the can down the road. And both 0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:19.240 sides are complicity. That's all it is. And it's squeezing 0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:22.520 out the county, the city, the state. We're screwed. We 0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:25.239 don't have the rainy day fund and now that was 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:26.959 in the proposals is to get to wind to tap 0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:29.279 the rainy day funds. There's four billion dollars in that. 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.520 I don't know how long that would fund snap. It 0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:34.759 might get us through another month. But the problem with 0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:36.920 that though is, you know, Alicia, is the General Assembly 0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:39.160 needs to pass the legislation and that's not going to happen. 0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:42.759 By Saturday. You can't directly fund SNAP because the state 0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:47.040 only verifies eligibility. That's a federal government runs that system. 0:49:47.320 --> 0:49:50.520 Well, I think we all got to have there's unprecedented. 0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:52.239 This is unprecedented what we're doing. 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:54.080 It's self inflicted. That's the worst part. 0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:58.719 Yeah, with self inflicting, and Americas are getting hurt and 0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:02.279 you're reading articles that you get in ballrooms even though 0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:04.960 it's private money. Can you imagine three hundred million of 0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:08.880 private money immediately? We need two hundred and forty million 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:12.080 to do SNAP. The money is out there, but they're 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:15.759 just squeezing everybody to having no money, and then only 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:18.520 certain people have money. And we, like you said, we 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:20.880 pay our taxes and we got to get a return 0:50:20.960 --> 0:50:23.320 on it. We gotta We sent him stuff to Washington, 0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:26.279 and damn it, Washington, we got to get it back here. 0:50:26.520 --> 0:50:26.920 Problem. 0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:29.319 That's a problem working people. I mean, you know, let's 0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:31.440 take care of the workers. Cause most of the people 0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:33.680 on SNAP are working. Families are working at least a 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:36.359 couple of jobs. And County Commissioner at Lisha Reese, I'll 0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:39.680 let you go before I don't know, do you needed 0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:41.719 the venue money so you can pay your electric Bill, 0:50:41.760 --> 0:50:43.120 Can I help you? What can I do for you? 0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:49.160 It's been paid Okay, all right, it's been paid for. 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:50.880 And your wireless clearly works. 0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:53.400 They got I don't want to be but there's some 0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:54.200 people out there. 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:54.799 Let me just. 0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:58.279 Say who can't pay? And I guess I got a 0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:00.520 glimpse of what it's like to be in the dark. 0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:04.719 And appreciate you so much. Alicia, thanks for jumping on 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:09.040 this morning. Take care, have a good one. It's always 0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:12.799 bringing the eat here. Sure you do not any money 0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:15.880 that electric bill? I get this in cash or cricket 0:51:15.880 --> 0:51:18.160 wire Let's keep that phone going. She's good radio. She 0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:20.480 is Alicia Reese Hamblin County Commission in a very serious 0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:23.400 issue though. On Saturday, Uh, if these benefits expired, I 0:51:23.440 --> 0:51:26.799 want to believe that even Washington has some sense and goes, 0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:29.640 you know, we really, we really need to come to 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:31.640 some common ground here because people are going to suffer 0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:35.360 starting on Saturday. Now is it going to be Saturday exactly? 0:51:35.600 --> 0:51:37.399 That all of a sudden, we're gonna have all now 0:51:37.880 --> 0:51:40.520 what four million people starving? And I went, no, it's 0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:44.759 good a few days, but the point has been made. 0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:46.680 It's time to actually govern for a change. How about 0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:49.040 that we sent you to Washington to governing. How about governing? 0:51:49.760 --> 0:51:52.080 Why did you do that? Slooney seven hundred w O. 0:51:54.800 --> 0:52:00.719 Helping you put the big P in profession. Here's our career, sir, 0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:04.440 Julie Balki, all right headed towards November first, some people 0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:07.880 losing their snap benefits and other people have to make 0:52:07.920 --> 0:52:10.720 a decision on their healthcare. If you're in the private 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:15.040 sector like me, maybe you, that means trying to figure 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:17.680 that out and navigate that. And only fifty seven percent 0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:20.360 of full time employees understand their benefits coverage. That is 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:24.440 the lowest it's been since twenty twenty. And why that 0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:28.520 is and what's driving that? She has the answers. It's 0:52:28.600 --> 0:52:31.759 Julie Bouki from the Bouki Group, career coach and consultant. 0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:34.000 It's Julie on the job of Sloaney this morning on 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:37.480 seven hundred double WoT. How you been, good morning. 0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:40.560 You know reading this by HARKing back to my early 0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:43.120 days of my career in human resources, and this is 0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:48.160 not a new problem in my experience. You had open 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:50.520 enrollment every year where people had to come forward and 0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:54.239 say I select this program or I select this program, 0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:59.840 and literally, for something as important as healthcare and medical benefits, 0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:04.480 it was like pulling teeth to get people to sign up. 0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:09.520 And it's just confounding to me. But at the same time, 0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:13.040 I think sometimes your health and medical benefits benefits in 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:17.359 general falls into that same category of I'll worry about 0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:20.480 it when I need it, okay, like insurance, but general, 0:53:20.640 --> 0:53:23.560 like home insurance, like I expect it to be there 0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:26.840 for every every need I could possibly have when I 0:53:26.920 --> 0:53:29.319 need it. But I don't want to put a lot 0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:32.520 of time into reading over it because it just confuses me. 0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:34.319 Which I got it. 0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:37.680 I totally get that. It's like, there's there's twenty different 0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:39.560 plans and you could do this, and how about what's 0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:42.239 the out of pocket? And the thing is, unless you're 0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:45.280 a nature, no one understands. Well, Okay, I got a colpay, 0:53:45.320 --> 0:53:47.840 I got this forty percent, but here's our family maximum, 0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:51.480 our monthly maximum. And then it's like I don't know what. Okay. 0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:54.960 Then you're an STD and LTD and FTD and ESPN 0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:57.359 and like my eyes glaze over. 0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:02.560 Yeah, yeah, I get it because those kind of things 0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:05.080 aren't natural for me to dig in and understand either. 0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:11.080 But it's also not reasonable to ignore it. Just pick 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:14.240 you know, give me the basics, and then you find 0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:16.880 out six months in that you have to have surgery 0:54:16.920 --> 0:54:18.799 and it's not covered because you didn't pick the right plan. 0:54:19.320 --> 0:54:20.279 That's not fair either. 0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:23.520 You know. That's so there has to be and I 0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.239 know it seems like the whole areas seem to get 0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:30.960 so much more complex with whether it's ACA, or whether 0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:33.640 you are on your souse's benefits, or whether you're allowed 0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:35.960 to be on your house's benefits if you also have 0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:40.720 full time employment. So there's all these little loopholes and 0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:44.440 all these little if this then that kind of stuff. 0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.920 But when you think about the moment in which you 0:54:49.040 --> 0:54:52.000 really need once you're really going to need it, and 0:54:52.040 --> 0:54:55.120 how it can impact your financial future if you aren't 0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:58.920 covered and you have to have something done anyway, you 0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:01.359 just got to bear down do it. And I know 0:55:01.480 --> 0:55:04.800 that that's I know that that's hard because I will admit, 0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:07.000 back when I was in corporate America, it was little 0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:10.200 last thing I wanted to do, even for myself, and 0:55:10.280 --> 0:55:13.200 so I get it. But and so it seems like 0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:16.480 all these people that have said I don't understand it. 0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:20.200 It seems kind of like a throw out my hands. 0:55:21.000 --> 0:55:25.400 I know companies do try to explain it, do try, 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:27.719 they have sessions, they do things to try to help 0:55:27.760 --> 0:55:30.920 you understand it. But you know, I used to say 0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:33.200 about benefits when I was in HR. You can lean 0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:36.200 horses to water all day long, you can't make them drink. 0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:38.920 And that's that's really what this comes down to. 0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:42.920 Yeah, and I'm the old days. You know, when everyone 0:55:43.000 --> 0:55:45.719 met in person. We've still worked in a workplace, right, 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:47.960 You'd have the big benefit meeting and everyone would show 0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:50.400 up and there'd be someone there presenting the information, namely 0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:53.080 Julie Bouki or something like that, and it was a 0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:55.799 horrible meeting because about forty five minutes in your eye 0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:59.160 start glazing over about benefits and then are there any questions? 0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:02.440 And sure enough the question. Here's Matt Reese in the 0:56:02.480 --> 0:56:04.920 background raising his hand and he's going to ask a 0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:08.399 thousand questions and drag this, drag this thing out three 0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:10.840 or four more hours long, and it's just it's insane. 0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:13.279 It wasn't. Fortunately, you can do that online and we 0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:15.920 have AI and stuff like that. But benefits are and 0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:19.200 the reason why we're seeing employees understand benefits lesson is 0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:23.239 because it's even more complex and expensive, right, it. 0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:26.000 Is more complex and expensive. Yeah, And it feels like 0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:31.880 if the depth and the scope of benefits get smaller 0:56:31.880 --> 0:56:35.560 and smaller. I mean, everybody over a certain age remembers 0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:38.520 a day when, maybe even early in your career, when 0:56:38.560 --> 0:56:41.480 you worked for a company where it was very small copay, 0:56:42.600 --> 0:56:46.040 very small deductible. You just showed up anywhere you wanted 0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:48.440 to and you were taken care of and that was it. 0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:52.880 And it's those days are never coming back because certainly 0:56:52.960 --> 0:56:59.720 healthcare costs have risen crazily for companies, and so they can't. 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:03.160 You know, I just wish, I just wish at It 0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:04.840 won't be where I'm a live or you're alive, but 0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:08.440 I wish somebody somewhere would have the courage to step 0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:12.000 up and face off with the healthcare and pharmaceutical lobby 0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:17.640 and the insurance lobby and separates healthcare benefits from employment. 0:57:18.080 --> 0:57:19.880 That works when they were unions. 0:57:19.760 --> 0:57:21.720 With urban It doesn't. 0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:26.919 It doesn't make sense anymore. And it's actually APA, right, 0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:30.200 it never did. That's what the ACA was for, so 0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:33.840 that you weren't stuck without benefits because you weren't employed. 0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:36.959 It attempted to make them more affordable, and it did 0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:40.800 for many, many people, so that you didn't have to 0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:43.800 hang on to a job you hated just so you 0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:46.240 had your healthcare covered. I mean, even just saying that 0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:50.280 sentence sounds nutty, right, So, yeah, so it's a it's 0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:52.160 a very very complex problem. 0:57:52.320 --> 0:57:54.840 It really isn't, Julie. Let me know, I've been on 0:57:54.920 --> 0:57:57.880 this on this soapbox for twenty something years. It's not 0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:00.360 that complex. All all Congress has to do is like, look, 0:58:00.600 --> 0:58:03.920 all right, starting at this date, you are no longer 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:09.000 to offer healthcare benefits healthcare benefits as an incentive at 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:11.360 your workplace, like you can't if you're an employer, you 0:58:12.000 --> 0:58:14.400 don't do it, just don't do it, and and that 0:58:14.440 --> 0:58:16.520 way you don't have well some companies are offering somewhere 0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:20.080 just then the practice and allow the free market, Allow 0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:22.120 of the open market, like you do with your car insurance, 0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:24.880 like you do with your life insurance, your renter's insurance, 0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:28.680 all that stuff. The money you would save and not 0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:31.440 having to hire people like Julie Bouki to and essentially, 0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:32.760 I mean, how much of your job when you're in 0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:35.360 HR was HR. How much of your job was managing 0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:38.240 healthcare costs. You had a whole team, the bigger the company. 0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:40.520 You had to hire staffs of people to do that. 0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:44.360 Go to your doctor's office. You may have one nurse 0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:47.320 practitioner there, but there's five or six people. Their whole 0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:50.520 job is medical coding, medical building, doing all that stuff, 0:58:50.560 --> 0:58:53.800 putting entry level stuff to comply with the government and 0:58:53.800 --> 0:58:55.240 to comply with insurance companies. 0:58:56.760 --> 0:58:58.880 Yeah, but if we're going to do that, if you're 0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:03.440 going to stay okay, effective January first, twenty twenty seven, 0:59:04.000 --> 0:59:11.680 healthcare is now untethered. You have entire industrial complexes of pharmaceuticals, 0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:16.320 medical products, doctors, hospitals, you know, medicare. I mean, everything 0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:18.840 has to be ready for that and has to be 0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:20.800 able to price it appropriately. They have to be able 0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:21.480 to stat for it. 0:59:21.840 --> 0:59:22.760 So it would take a. 0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:25.840 Pretty long runway to do that. Sure, but because the 0:59:25.960 --> 0:59:30.280 lobbies are so strong in all of those they they 0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:32.760 are in the back pocket of a lot of politicians 0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:35.400 will never vote for that. So here we are again, 0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:38.000 just because our politicians. 0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:39.840 Have their hands out right right well, and then we 0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:42.600 need if we need fundraising, and damn it, you can 0:59:42.640 --> 0:59:44.600 do this, and it's better for America. It's better for 0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:48.480 the bottom line because you can stand, you know, democratical plays. Look, oh, 0:59:48.680 --> 0:59:51.640 you're going to have two hundred and twenty two million 0:59:51.640 --> 0:59:54.640 people who don't have any healthcare benefits and you're a 0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:57.640 capitalist and you have money. No, it doesn't work. Though 0:59:57.760 --> 0:59:59.560 the money you save and all the compliance and all 0:59:59.600 --> 1:00:02.600 the government bs, you could take some of that money 1:00:02.720 --> 1:00:06.160 and have health care for people who fall into the 1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:10.320 poverty line and still have literally billions of dollars left over, 1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:14.160 if not trillions of dollars left over to balance the 1:00:14.160 --> 1:00:17.720 budget to put to something else. Because once employment is 1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:21.560 tied to healthcare benefits, too many people working crappy jobs 1:00:22.080 --> 1:00:24.920 simply because they need the benefits. It's so very true 1:00:24.960 --> 1:00:27.560 if you free what would that do for the gig economy? 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:29.640 On top of that, people who have two or three 1:00:29.680 --> 1:00:33.320 or four different jobs that would allow that to go 1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:35.360 on like gangbusters, Like what you would make up at 1:00:35.360 --> 1:00:37.600 the back end would more than cover the front end. 1:00:37.680 --> 1:00:41.080 But of course you're protecting someone else's turf. You're protecting 1:00:41.120 --> 1:00:44.840 insurance companies and big pharma and insurance providers and PBMs 1:00:44.880 --> 1:00:47.840 and all that stuff, because they've made their success and 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:49.320 they don't want that to go away. They don't want 1:00:49.320 --> 1:00:52.560 that gravy train to end m M exactly. 1:00:52.760 --> 1:00:55.040 It's the what we're seeing, which is I think really interesting. 1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:58.560 I think this is sort of the future because we're 1:00:58.600 --> 1:01:03.360 seeing harken back to the old day of COVID, which 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:05.760 feels like it was a you know, different lifetime. But 1:01:06.160 --> 1:01:09.640 we saw think about we saw companies come out like okay, 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:12.640 day care for your pets, day care for your grandma, 1:01:13.680 --> 1:01:15.760 perk for this, perks for that, you know, because they 1:01:15.760 --> 1:01:18.400 were in attraction mode. They were trying to get people 1:01:18.440 --> 1:01:21.200 to come work there. The problem is then when the 1:01:21.240 --> 1:01:23.400 pendulum swings back the other way, those are the first 1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:26.560 things to go. But what I do like about the 1:01:26.680 --> 1:01:30.560 personalization of benefits. So let's say if everybody has the 1:01:30.600 --> 1:01:33.320 same benefit, So as if a single person, a single 1:01:33.400 --> 1:01:36.800 thirty year old doesn't maybe doesn't have a spouse, doesn't 1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:41.520 have kids, and it's really healthy, they they they may 1:01:41.680 --> 1:01:47.680 choose a more a skinnier plan and then spend again 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:55.120 some of those benefits dollars for catastrophic or for you know, 1:01:55.200 --> 1:02:00.120 for more vacation time or PTO or doggie daycare or 1:02:00.400 --> 1:02:03.560 so I love the idea of a bank and a 1:02:03.640 --> 1:02:07.200 variety of benefits. There's obviously a lot of regulations around this, 1:02:07.360 --> 1:02:10.400 but the company I used to work four years ago, 1:02:11.400 --> 1:02:15.000 you had to at least have catastrophic but beyond that, 1:02:15.280 --> 1:02:17.760 it was what do you need? Do you need more medications? 1:02:18.800 --> 1:02:21.440 Are you or can you use some of those dollars 1:02:21.480 --> 1:02:25.400 for wellness? And so if I think, I hope we're 1:02:25.440 --> 1:02:28.080 going to be heading in that direction because we are learning, 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:32.080 whether it comes to hybrid works, remote work, in office work, 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:35.760 one size doesn't fit all and so we have there 1:02:35.880 --> 1:02:39.640 some sort of personalization is I think a really important 1:02:39.680 --> 1:02:45.240 recruitment and retention strategy. But it's sticky. It's really really sticky. 1:02:45.280 --> 1:02:47.800 But the companies who figure it out, I think, are 1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:50.200 the companies who are going to be the places that say, 1:02:50.800 --> 1:02:53.439 instead of saying here's the benefits package, Oh you don't 1:02:53.480 --> 1:02:57.000 need most of these things, sorry about that, instead say 1:02:57.040 --> 1:02:59.160 what do you need? And then here are your options. 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:02.680 Julie Bouki, our career is sure. But Wednesday morning's here 1:03:02.680 --> 1:03:04.480 on the Scotsland Show on seven hundred double de lit 1:03:04.480 --> 1:03:06.640 bit tuck and job related stuff on the big issues. 1:03:07.000 --> 1:03:09.120 We'll get to. The AI stuff is fascinating. We've been 1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:11.440 talking a lot about that, but we are now in 1:03:11.480 --> 1:03:14.600 that sweet spot here for benefits, right, it is trying 1:03:14.600 --> 1:03:18.400 to understand your benefits coverage. Decision day is coming up, 1:03:18.680 --> 1:03:20.560 kind of like when it was sports. To steal an 1:03:20.600 --> 1:03:23.560 analogy there, it is decision day. You decide how much 1:03:23.560 --> 1:03:25.480 more you're going to pay and how fewer benefits you're 1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:27.760 going to wind up getting. It's a mess, it's a nightmare. 1:03:28.360 --> 1:03:30.720 Only about sixty percent, less than six out of ten 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:33.360 full time employees fully understand their benefits coverage. That's the 1:03:33.360 --> 1:03:36.120 lowest market's been since twenty twenty. It's been trending down 1:03:36.160 --> 1:03:38.640 now for the last number of years because it's become 1:03:38.680 --> 1:03:41.520 more expensive, it's become more complex. People don't like to 1:03:41.520 --> 1:03:43.920 make the decision. They him and haw about it. They 1:03:43.960 --> 1:03:45.680 want to save some money, but then they worry what 1:03:45.720 --> 1:03:47.440 if they get sick and I cover this whole thing. 1:03:47.520 --> 1:03:50.000 So we understand to struggle the benefits and how to 1:03:50.040 --> 1:03:52.240 access them when we need them, because I mean, let's 1:03:52.240 --> 1:03:54.240 face it, if your company is trying to get the 1:03:54.280 --> 1:03:58.640 best deal possible, you're probably changing insurance companies pretty much 1:03:58.640 --> 1:04:00.600 every year at this point. And some benefis sarian and 1:04:00.640 --> 1:04:02.240 now this company to this, well, we're not doing this, 1:04:02.280 --> 1:04:03.920 we're not covering that, and just keeping track of it 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:08.080 as a nightmare. Imagine being an HR professional when HR 1:04:08.160 --> 1:04:11.120 staffers and senior management said, and seven out of ten 1:04:11.200 --> 1:04:14.560 then say, we don't understand it all ourselves. That's a problem. 1:04:14.720 --> 1:04:16.440 That shows you how big the problem is. 1:04:17.720 --> 1:04:20.919 And imagine all of a sudden there's an accident, yeah, 1:04:21.040 --> 1:04:23.640 or you're very sick. Is that really want to when 1:04:23.680 --> 1:04:25.400 you want to be online trying to figure all this 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:28.000 stuff out and getting the bad news that you I 1:04:28.040 --> 1:04:30.760 forgot to clign up for that, right, So don't wait 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:32.760 until that moment. And I always say, you know, I 1:04:32.760 --> 1:04:36.000 had a personal experience when my husband passed away. We 1:04:36.080 --> 1:04:39.040 had his living will, we had his healthcare power of returning. 1:04:39.240 --> 1:04:42.240 Everything was fresh done and in a notebook, and I 1:04:42.320 --> 1:04:45.920 just handed it to the hospital because I was I 1:04:45.920 --> 1:04:48.080 didn't even I couldn't even figure out where I was 1:04:48.120 --> 1:04:50.920 at the moment. So it's you know, I think you 1:04:51.120 --> 1:04:53.080 have to start. You have to put a little few 1:04:53.160 --> 1:04:57.800 brainfells toward figuring out am I ready when the worst happened. 1:04:58.280 --> 1:05:00.640 It doesn't have to consume you, but you're going to 1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:03.040 be glad you did because it comes for us all eventually. 1:05:03.480 --> 1:05:05.800 Yeah, yeah, some of that's going to come back. And 1:05:05.920 --> 1:05:09.000 I wonder how like small and mid sized companies navigate this. 1:05:09.160 --> 1:05:11.520 You don't have a huge HR department to navigate all 1:05:11.560 --> 1:05:13.920 the thing. I'd imagine AI at some point, if not now, 1:05:13.960 --> 1:05:15.120 it's starting to fill a void. 1:05:16.440 --> 1:05:18.520 Yeah. And they also they also a lot of times 1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:23.160 they rely on their benefits provider. They're brokers, the folks 1:05:23.240 --> 1:05:26.080 that they work with to develop the benefits programs. They 1:05:26.160 --> 1:05:28.680 rely on them to do the communication because they really 1:05:28.760 --> 1:05:31.200 are the experts. And so I would imagine the smaller 1:05:31.240 --> 1:05:35.320 companies more rely on their third party administrator or there. 1:05:36.160 --> 1:05:39.400 They're like an outsourced sort of organization that handles that 1:05:39.520 --> 1:05:42.320 for them because honestly, they're the experts. So it's going 1:05:42.360 --> 1:05:43.920 to be it's going to be a better use of 1:05:43.960 --> 1:05:44.280 their time. 1:05:44.320 --> 1:05:47.520 Anyway, before we started talking, I'll pivot to something else here, 1:05:47.640 --> 1:05:51.080 Julie Bucky, you were going off in a private conversation 1:05:51.200 --> 1:05:52.680 we had, and I've got a little bit more time 1:05:52.720 --> 1:05:55.720 to kill here with you. So Zach Taylor said that 1:05:55.880 --> 1:05:58.960 someone needs to step up relative to this this hapless 1:05:59.040 --> 1:06:03.120 Bengals defense. Somebody needs to step up. You as someone 1:06:03.160 --> 1:06:06.040 who's in HR you observe leadership. You're you know, you're 1:06:06.040 --> 1:06:08.360 in the corner office. You're a c suite kind of person. 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:11.280 When you hear the head of an organization say someone 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:12.800 needs to step up, what does that say to you? 1:06:14.240 --> 1:06:16.520 Ah, of course I cringe. Of course I was at 1:06:16.600 --> 1:06:22.080 the game, so especially Salty. But can you imagine the 1:06:22.200 --> 1:06:24.680 CEO of Croction and Gamble, And I know Zack said 1:06:24.720 --> 1:06:27.200 more than that, So can you imagine the top of 1:06:27.320 --> 1:06:31.360 any organization, via a government, public, private, somebody needs to 1:06:31.400 --> 1:06:33.720 step up here? It's like, well, what happened to the 1:06:33.720 --> 1:06:36.960 buck stop here? You know? And I know that the 1:06:37.040 --> 1:06:39.240 defense get together and have their own meeting and all 1:06:39.280 --> 1:06:42.760 of that, but the coach, the people at the top 1:06:42.960 --> 1:06:46.800 set the tone. People are looking for someone to follow, 1:06:47.480 --> 1:06:52.200 either in either in tone the tone makes set or 1:06:52.280 --> 1:06:54.680 the attitude that they support and bring to the party. 1:06:55.440 --> 1:07:00.200 And you have as a leader, nobody wants to see 1:07:00.240 --> 1:07:04.040 you stand up in front of a group and go anyone, anyone, anyone. 1:07:04.040 --> 1:07:04.200 You know. 1:07:04.240 --> 1:07:05.960 I mean, It's just that's just what it felt like 1:07:06.040 --> 1:07:07.920 to me, and it just it just made me cringe. 1:07:08.000 --> 1:07:10.280 So I think I was resenting to you about that. 1:07:11.440 --> 1:07:14.640 No I don't think you're entirely at miss accurate. They're 1:07:14.640 --> 1:07:16.360 and inaccurate there I guess I should say is that 1:07:16.440 --> 1:07:18.320 somebody needs to step up. But it isn't that then 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:21.439 indicative of his ability as a scout slash head coach 1:07:21.880 --> 1:07:24.400 Douke Tobin as the gas the essential of the guy 1:07:24.440 --> 1:07:26.400 who gets the players. I mean, if you don't, if 1:07:26.440 --> 1:07:29.240 you don't wind up recruiting in business or in football 1:07:29.320 --> 1:07:32.120 or sports for that matter, people who not everyone's going 1:07:32.200 --> 1:07:33.640 to be a you know, run through the wall leader. 1:07:33.720 --> 1:07:35.880 You can't have a team full of those. But that's 1:07:35.920 --> 1:07:37.840 a defense that tells me that's a team that doesn't 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:38.640 have any leadership. 1:07:40.280 --> 1:07:40.480 Yeah. 1:07:40.920 --> 1:07:44.280 Yeah, it does make me wonder a certain point that 1:07:45.320 --> 1:07:49.200 you know, I don't even pretend to know one percent 1:07:49.360 --> 1:07:50.960 of what there is to know about football, so I'm 1:07:51.000 --> 1:07:54.400 always just really careful. That's the feeling in the stadium 1:07:54.520 --> 1:07:57.360 with something else on Sunday, it was very much like 1:07:57.640 --> 1:08:02.200 everybody was stunned into silence. Then the bos started, but 1:08:02.480 --> 1:08:04.480 everyone's like, I mean, people are look at each other 1:08:04.600 --> 1:08:08.120 like what just happened? It was really it was really 1:08:08.880 --> 1:08:12.280 a really different experience being there, and that doesn't happen 1:08:12.400 --> 1:08:15.480 with tight, well coordinated teams in at Procter and Gamble 1:08:15.600 --> 1:08:18.200 or at Kroger or you know, in the city of 1:08:18.280 --> 1:08:20.920 Loveland or wherever you know. I mean, it's just the 1:08:21.160 --> 1:08:25.720 people are. People are in all those roles, and there 1:08:25.760 --> 1:08:28.400 are certain commonalities that all humans have with each other. 1:08:28.840 --> 1:08:30.720 We want to be led, we want to be inspired, 1:08:31.280 --> 1:08:34.160 and it falls to it falls to the people at 1:08:34.200 --> 1:08:36.000 the top to set that tone. And if you can't, 1:08:36.880 --> 1:08:38.840 you've got to look at it, bring somebody in who can. 1:08:38.960 --> 1:08:41.599 It's that it's that little extra oomp that you get 1:08:41.720 --> 1:08:43.080 by having an inspiring leader. 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:45.920 Yeah, I don't know that at this point. If Zach 1:08:46.000 --> 1:08:49.280 Taylor can do anything else. It's the fact that well 1:08:49.760 --> 1:08:53.400 they don't draft very well and don'tus address problems as 1:08:53.400 --> 1:08:55.519 they come up. 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Thanks again, Julie 1:09:19.960 --> 1:09:21.680 on the job this morning with the News on the 1:09:21.720 --> 1:09:26.400 way in four minutes and win a return this Zoar 1:09:26.560 --> 1:09:28.519 mamdani Is looks like he is going to be the 1:09:28.600 --> 1:09:30.200 next mayor of the City of New York. Normally don't 1:09:30.280 --> 1:09:31.960 care too much about what happens in New York City. 1:09:32.080 --> 1:09:34.320 I care about Ohio. I came to bat Kentucky, care 1:09:34.320 --> 1:09:36.200 about Indiana. So you look at you New York Go 1:09:36.400 --> 1:09:38.559 New York LA. I you know, not a big cable 1:09:38.600 --> 1:09:40.519 news guy, don't really care all that much what's going 1:09:40.560 --> 1:09:43.280 on there. But I think you'd miss something if you 1:09:43.360 --> 1:09:47.040 didn't see that. The attitude that's allowing that to happen, granted, 1:09:47.240 --> 1:09:50.719 very progressive, very liberal New York City, but and about 1:09:50.800 --> 1:09:53.760 socialists with some of the policies he's proposing here makes 1:09:53.800 --> 1:09:55.840 one shake their head. And how did we get to 1:09:55.920 --> 1:09:57.800 this point? Is the question that someone like that can 1:09:57.880 --> 1:10:02.040 actually win office and the largest, most impactful city in 1:10:02.080 --> 1:10:03.920 the United States. We'll get to that next on seven 1:10:04.000 --> 1:10:05.720 hundred WW Cincinnati. 1:10:05.560 --> 1:10:07.920 Don't want to be an American. 1:10:08.760 --> 1:10:11.040 Or Mendami. That's the name you need to know because 1:10:11.160 --> 1:10:13.439 in the next few days, as we get to the election, 1:10:14.280 --> 1:10:17.240 he's probably going to be the next mayor of the 1:10:17.280 --> 1:10:21.479 City of New York. A socialist to be the mayor 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:24.320 of the City of New York. That is frightening for 1:10:24.360 --> 1:10:28.000 a lot of people, warming for many others as well. 1:10:28.080 --> 1:10:30.920 But it does throw things in a turmoil. Shows you 1:10:30.920 --> 1:10:33.679 how the way politics is going for that matter. Also, 1:10:33.760 --> 1:10:36.559 you know we're in Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky. Now, if 1:10:36.600 --> 1:10:39.960 you watch cable news, you probably get a steady die 1:10:40.000 --> 1:10:42.280 of the fear of this guy. But most people I 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:44.120 live in Ohio, I'm in the middle of I don't 1:10:44.120 --> 1:10:47.840 care who cares New York City. If he continues the 1:10:47.920 --> 1:10:50.439 path he's going to, and let's say he winds up 1:10:50.439 --> 1:10:52.040 becoming the next mayor of New York City, he's going 1:10:52.080 --> 1:10:54.640 to help reshape the narrative and the politics and the 1:10:54.720 --> 1:10:57.719 leadership nationally if that occurs. The why and the how. 1:10:58.439 --> 1:11:01.720 Ken Girardan is with Manhattan Institute, writes about this in Socialism. 1:11:01.760 --> 1:11:03.559 I'm the husband and I love the title. Ken, how 1:11:03.600 --> 1:11:07.040 are you Corny could vie with you. You're there there, 1:11:07.080 --> 1:11:08.439 You're in the heart of the thing. So you know 1:11:08.520 --> 1:11:10.280 more about this guy than most of us do. But 1:11:10.960 --> 1:11:14.000 is that fairly accurate? Like there's an underbelly here that 1:11:14.080 --> 1:11:15.920 this guy and we see socialism pop up from time 1:11:15.960 --> 1:11:17.599 to time, but this guy could be the next mayor 1:11:17.600 --> 1:11:19.840 of New York City. That's gonna change. It's gonna be 1:11:19.960 --> 1:11:22.439 kind of like a maybe a mini blue wave going 1:11:22.520 --> 1:11:23.320 across the country. 1:11:24.920 --> 1:11:26.840 I'd actually pushed back a little bit and I'd say 1:11:27.160 --> 1:11:31.320 he's kind of a lagging indicator. Okay, that is him 1:11:31.479 --> 1:11:35.200 winning the primary. That was a kind of a wake 1:11:35.280 --> 1:11:38.240 up call to folks to say, let's let's zoom out 1:11:38.360 --> 1:11:42.320 and look and just see where socialist proposals have already 1:11:42.400 --> 1:11:45.439 taken route, some of them. Donnie had spent five years 1:11:45.479 --> 1:11:48.560 in the state of Emily in Albany, and so that 1:11:48.720 --> 1:11:51.680 was my first stop and I looked there and I 1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:55.600 reviewed There are a number of socialist proposals, some of 1:11:55.680 --> 1:12:00.360 which have pretty widespread political support, but some other big 1:12:00.400 --> 1:12:03.599 ones also predate him as an assemblement. And I thought 1:12:03.640 --> 1:12:05.599 this was a good opportunity to take a look at 1:12:05.640 --> 1:12:10.320 the full the full buffet of stuff that people in 1:12:10.479 --> 1:12:12.200 the socialist persuasion want. 1:12:12.360 --> 1:12:15.080 Sure, And I bring that up as I said, Okay, 1:12:15.120 --> 1:12:18.400 you could see because among younger people, younger people love socialists. 1:12:18.400 --> 1:12:19.880 You go to a college campus, you know you've got 1:12:20.000 --> 1:12:21.720 Socialism is the greatest saying. We just got to do 1:12:21.760 --> 1:12:24.280 the right time. Socialism is a failed experiment, but we 1:12:24.479 --> 1:12:27.120 just we haven't fully done socialism yet. And that's always 1:12:27.120 --> 1:12:29.840 the excuse, right, is so why socialism fails? And of 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:32.080 course there's a host of other reasons. There's you know, 1:12:32.160 --> 1:12:35.960 central planning can't allocate resources effectively, and you get rid 1:12:36.000 --> 1:12:39.080 of competition, and it drives incentivization a whole bunch of things. 1:12:39.280 --> 1:12:41.479 And we can get into why socialism is bad as 1:12:41.520 --> 1:12:45.040 a as a political philosophy. But young people see because yeah, 1:12:45.040 --> 1:12:46.680 I look at young people to America. It's New York 1:12:46.760 --> 1:12:50.240 City or Cincinnati, and hey, they're worried about jobs, they 1:12:50.280 --> 1:12:52.760 were about housing, they worried about health care. Healthcare is 1:12:52.800 --> 1:12:55.600 a mass. Both Republicans Democrats created this problem, and no 1:12:55.680 --> 1:12:57.840 one has a solution to fixing it other than more 1:12:57.920 --> 1:13:00.879 subsidies that we continue to borrow money to give subsceeded 1:13:00.880 --> 1:13:02.760 to people to make it afford it's not affordable. We're 1:13:02.800 --> 1:13:04.880 just taking money from one pile and moving it somewhere 1:13:04.920 --> 1:13:07.559 else you worry about. You know, people haven't worked two 1:13:07.640 --> 1:13:09.400 or three or more jobs just to keep their nose 1:13:09.439 --> 1:13:11.160 above water, and a lot of people can't do that. 1:13:11.640 --> 1:13:15.240 Housing is getting unrealistically unexpensive. So there's like a grossola 1:13:15.240 --> 1:13:17.759 of young people feel like they're painted in a corner 1:13:17.880 --> 1:13:20.400 right now, and that is always the catalyst or something 1:13:20.439 --> 1:13:21.160 like this coming along. 1:13:22.200 --> 1:13:26.400 Well, let's remember everybody grows up in not just socialism, 1:13:26.479 --> 1:13:29.479 but actually communism to a certain extent. That's where your 1:13:29.560 --> 1:13:32.479 family is, like I have I have communism at home 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:38.360 with my children, where there's communal responsibility, community, communal ownership. 1:13:38.680 --> 1:13:41.559 And that's great within the family unit. When you start 1:13:41.640 --> 1:13:44.160 trying to build an entire society around it, that's where 1:13:44.200 --> 1:13:48.080 things historically have always fallen apart and struggled. That's where 1:13:48.280 --> 1:13:52.639 you inevitably have markets because you always have mismatching needs 1:13:52.720 --> 1:13:56.800 and wants between family units. And that's something where the 1:13:57.120 --> 1:14:00.960 socialists don't appreciate, that difference between what goes on in 1:14:01.040 --> 1:14:06.080 the family and what goes on between people with different situations, resources, skills, 1:14:06.439 --> 1:14:07.679 and and neat. 1:14:09.320 --> 1:14:12.360 Yeah, it's socialism is U and then the next phase 1:14:12.360 --> 1:14:14.479 after communist socialism. You know a lot of people go 1:14:14.560 --> 1:14:16.680 to school and they learn about socialism, and then it 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:19.599 just becomes the you know, one campus agitator talking about 1:14:19.600 --> 1:14:22.240 we just haven't had perfect socialism, the right socialism yet. 1:14:22.280 --> 1:14:25.000 But you know the basis of socialism just in general, 1:14:25.120 --> 1:14:28.080 let alone. The version of what democratic socialism is is 1:14:28.320 --> 1:14:31.040 it's government ownership and control. It's a single payer system. 1:14:31.080 --> 1:14:33.880 There's no private competition, and you need all that to 1:14:33.960 --> 1:14:36.400 thrive into democracy. You need that to and you know, 1:14:36.720 --> 1:14:38.920 certainly we have problems in America, there's no denying that. 1:14:39.120 --> 1:14:41.720 But you know, you want to be like I don't know, 1:14:42.400 --> 1:14:44.719 you want to be like like the former Soviet Union. 1:14:44.720 --> 1:14:46.840 Do you want to be like you know, China during 1:14:47.280 --> 1:14:50.880 during the seventies. Do you want to be Venezuela, Cuba, 1:14:51.160 --> 1:14:56.080 North Korea? The answer is hell, no, you're. 1:14:57.840 --> 1:15:02.200 You're uh, you're you're very lightly going through the history 1:15:02.280 --> 1:15:07.040 of instances where major, major attempts at socialism have been tried, 1:15:07.439 --> 1:15:10.400 and one thing that's really unappreciated all of that is 1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:14.080 the disappearance of price signals. When you start having the 1:15:14.120 --> 1:15:17.240 government promise that they're going to provide everything. I think 1:15:17.320 --> 1:15:20.280 back to an example from about twenty years ago when 1:15:20.760 --> 1:15:26.440 the Cuban government had to provide rice cookers for citizens, 1:15:26.439 --> 1:15:28.479 and there was this it was this big to do. Wow, 1:15:28.640 --> 1:15:31.240 isn't it so magnanimous? The Cuban government is providing all 1:15:31.360 --> 1:15:35.280 citizens with rice cookers. And the reason this happened was 1:15:35.360 --> 1:15:39.080 because the shortage of rice cookers in Cuba had really 1:15:39.920 --> 1:15:42.920 fanned the flames of the black market that the government 1:15:42.960 --> 1:15:46.680 had created for everything else because people weren't because there 1:15:46.680 --> 1:15:48.560 were so many shortages that people were having to go 1:15:48.720 --> 1:15:51.599 and trade on their own, and you had this sort 1:15:51.600 --> 1:15:57.600 of blossoming private, private, underground economy. And that's something that 1:15:57.680 --> 1:16:02.160 socials don't appreciate that prices end information. Prices tell us 1:16:02.520 --> 1:16:05.439 where things are needed, where things are wanted, right, and 1:16:05.880 --> 1:16:08.320 that's why you see in those you know, in those 1:16:08.320 --> 1:16:11.680 societies that they inevitably really do lean into socialism, they 1:16:11.760 --> 1:16:12.880 inevitably run into trouble. 1:16:13.800 --> 1:16:16.439 Soviet Union comes to mind, chronic shortage of consumer goods, 1:16:16.439 --> 1:16:18.080 and we saw the pictures I'm lined up to for 1:16:18.200 --> 1:16:21.240 toilet paper to be handed out. Right, You've got abundant 1:16:21.320 --> 1:16:24.320 natural resources in the Soviet Union, and yet that happened, 1:16:24.360 --> 1:16:26.519 and you know, we saw the economic collapse, and then 1:16:26.520 --> 1:16:28.320 they kind of want to go back to that because 1:16:28.720 --> 1:16:31.160 you have a generation or two that didn't see how 1:16:31.240 --> 1:16:33.720 bad it was. It's kind of like here with vaccines, right, 1:16:33.760 --> 1:16:35.600 it's like, oh, well, what the vaccine's got to be 1:16:35.680 --> 1:16:38.080 worse than whooping cough. Well, if you see what wooping 1:16:38.120 --> 1:16:40.280 cough looks like, you would rather take the vaccine that 1:16:40.360 --> 1:16:41.599 have whooping cough. It's the same thing. 1:16:42.479 --> 1:16:43.599 Yeah, it's unfortunate. 1:16:43.800 --> 1:16:46.400 These are the sorts of lessons that every generation seems 1:16:46.880 --> 1:16:52.040 inevitably to have to relearn. And it's now been thirty 1:16:52.120 --> 1:16:55.960 four years since the fall of communism, and there are 1:16:56.120 --> 1:17:00.519 people alive in their thirties who have never who weren't 1:17:00.560 --> 1:17:04.280 alive for the USSR. And we have to be constantly 1:17:04.360 --> 1:17:07.559 reminding people about these about these lessons where they still 1:17:07.600 --> 1:17:09.920 exist in the world. We can't rely too much talk 1:17:10.000 --> 1:17:13.560 about what went on behind the Iron Curtain, and we 1:17:13.680 --> 1:17:16.040 have to talk more about where these shortfalls are in 1:17:16.840 --> 1:17:20.200 existing countries, including by the way, sometimes own, and talk 1:17:20.200 --> 1:17:23.200 about where these experiments with socialism just haven't panned out. 1:17:24.240 --> 1:17:26.160 Yeah, and that is a lesson. But of course the 1:17:26.240 --> 1:17:29.160 cry has always been yeah, but it's different. Now, is 1:17:29.240 --> 1:17:31.639 it really all that different because it's an economic erce 1:17:31.840 --> 1:17:33.680 next time will be different, Yeah, next time it is. Well, 1:17:33.760 --> 1:17:35.680 they haven't gotten it right yet. I mean, look at 1:17:35.680 --> 1:17:38.400 some of these other countries like Sweden. It's that's more 1:17:38.479 --> 1:17:42.679 democratic socialism and okay, so explain to me how things 1:17:42.720 --> 1:17:43.559 are so perfect in a. 1:17:43.560 --> 1:17:46.880 World like that and it's not even I mean, let's 1:17:46.880 --> 1:17:49.120 be clear, there's a very big difference between having a 1:17:49.360 --> 1:17:54.400 very robust welfare state funded with lots of taxes and 1:17:54.840 --> 1:17:58.920 still allowing market competition to happen. What probably what we 1:17:58.960 --> 1:18:01.000 should be more concerned about is where the government wants 1:18:01.080 --> 1:18:03.920 to step in and be the only provider of certain things, 1:18:04.400 --> 1:18:08.839 where you stop having competition, where you staff having capital allocation. 1:18:09.200 --> 1:18:10.920 That's where you also run into really big problems with 1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:14.760 cronyism when you start to put government in charge of 1:18:14.840 --> 1:18:18.839 things like like the electric grid or the healthcare system, 1:18:19.479 --> 1:18:23.560 and you you move away from what is an imperfect 1:18:24.000 --> 1:18:27.720 but at least responsive system. And that's one of the 1:18:27.960 --> 1:18:30.320 that's one of the importances of preserving those market systems 1:18:30.360 --> 1:18:33.719 because in a in a poor performing part of the market, 1:18:33.880 --> 1:18:36.840 you can always go somewhere else. You lose that when 1:18:36.880 --> 1:18:38.720 you have the state take over stuff and even and 1:18:38.800 --> 1:18:41.200 like I said, in Scandinavia they have a lot of 1:18:41.280 --> 1:18:45.920 social wealth spending, but they don't necessarily have assiciating state 1:18:46.000 --> 1:18:48.680 ownership of things. There's a there's a very big difference there, 1:18:48.680 --> 1:18:52.760 and I think people try to almost impolitely sneak Scandinavia 1:18:52.880 --> 1:18:58.040 through as some example of this, you know, Democratic socialist nirvana, 1:18:58.160 --> 1:18:58.600 but it's not. 1:19:00.520 --> 1:19:02.360 And that's the thing. Most people don't research it or 1:19:02.400 --> 1:19:05.839 find that out themselves. Can Girardan is here, Manhattan Institute, Socialism, 1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:09.240 the husband, the Hudson the husband, Socialism on the husband, 1:19:09.680 --> 1:19:12.479 back to your family situation. Anyway, I'm Donnie's the guy 1:19:12.520 --> 1:19:14.840 in New York City, the Democratic Socialists who just won 1:19:14.880 --> 1:19:16.519 the Merrill primary there, and a lot of people are 1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:18.160 talking to this in the political scene. And you know, 1:19:18.240 --> 1:19:20.519 if he winds up winning the mayoralship of New York City, 1:19:20.560 --> 1:19:23.880 which is possible, will you see like a mini blue wave. 1:19:23.920 --> 1:19:25.960 I think that'd be like a ripple effect because other 1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:27.479 people look at this and go wow, yeah, clearly the 1:19:27.520 --> 1:19:30.320 people are upset. Now that's New York City. The politics 1:19:30.400 --> 1:19:32.320 and demands in New York City much different than here 1:19:32.479 --> 1:19:35.639 in Ohio, certainly one hundred percent. But these are the things. 1:19:35.720 --> 1:19:39.080 These are the mile posts that come along and people go, wow, Okay, 1:19:39.760 --> 1:19:41.840 it's a growing movement. It has to start somewhere, and 1:19:41.920 --> 1:19:44.800 why not in New York City? And largely because there's 1:19:44.800 --> 1:19:48.000 a lot of people who are affected by this economy, 1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:49.880 this effect that I should say, with jobs and housing 1:19:49.960 --> 1:19:53.320 and healthcare. You know, you bring up how socialism, but 1:19:53.960 --> 1:19:56.880 we have a lot of socialism baked into policies in America, right, 1:19:56.920 --> 1:19:59.320 I mean, you mentioned healthcare. Is there anything more socialistic 1:19:59.360 --> 1:20:02.400 than our healthcare system or schools or whatever it might be. Now, granted, 1:20:02.479 --> 1:20:04.519 we're trying to be able to take your money, make 1:20:04.560 --> 1:20:06.800 it portable and have private schools and vouchers and things 1:20:06.880 --> 1:20:09.360 like that with a lot of resistance, but we've got 1:20:09.400 --> 1:20:11.400 a lot of socialism baked into the American system. 1:20:11.479 --> 1:20:11.599 Now. 1:20:13.439 --> 1:20:17.599 You have instances where we were the most efficient system 1:20:17.680 --> 1:20:20.200 right now is to have state ownership for things, and 1:20:20.479 --> 1:20:23.120 we should be constantly looking critically at that and looking 1:20:23.360 --> 1:20:26.640 for alternatives. Doesn't mean you should throw it out, but 1:20:26.760 --> 1:20:29.120 we should always be asking the question, is this the 1:20:29.200 --> 1:20:32.800 most efficient, responsive way to do stuff because we often 1:20:32.840 --> 1:20:35.240 find it isn't look at what's happened with the postal 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:38.880 service over the past fifty to sixty seventy years, where 1:20:39.040 --> 1:20:42.280 you've had private actors come and you know, they have 1:20:42.640 --> 1:20:45.320 been given the space to compete and in a lot 1:20:45.360 --> 1:20:48.920 of cases they're eating the postal services lunch because competition 1:20:49.160 --> 1:20:51.479 was you know, competition was allowed there. Now we're not 1:20:51.520 --> 1:20:54.760 going to have rival you know snow. You know, we're 1:20:54.760 --> 1:20:57.400 not going to have rival roads or at private roads 1:20:57.439 --> 1:21:00.760 to our houses anytime soon. But in places like the 1:21:00.760 --> 1:21:04.600 healthcare in the education space, we routinely find that competition 1:21:05.160 --> 1:21:08.439 not only leads to innovation, but also leads to better 1:21:08.479 --> 1:21:11.240 outcomes for folks. In New York, there are lots of 1:21:11.280 --> 1:21:15.160 what are called charter schools, which are publicly funded, privately 1:21:15.240 --> 1:21:18.519 run schools that parents can pick if they don't like 1:21:18.560 --> 1:21:20.760 how their neighborhood school is performing. And there are parts 1:21:20.800 --> 1:21:23.240 of New York City where a third of the public 1:21:23.280 --> 1:21:26.000 school kids are now in charter schools because they've been 1:21:26.040 --> 1:21:29.519 given that alternative, that competition. It's good, it's healthy, and 1:21:29.600 --> 1:21:33.080 we should constantly be looking for opportunities to create more competition, 1:21:33.520 --> 1:21:36.519 even for instances that we right now call the government. 1:21:37.120 --> 1:21:39.439 It's hard to believe we're like, what sixty seventy years 1:21:39.560 --> 1:21:42.320 past Brown versus Board of Education. But that's exactly what 1:21:42.400 --> 1:21:44.479 this is. It's like, you know, mister Brown back in 1:21:44.520 --> 1:21:46.519 the day, said, why do I have to send my kid, 1:21:46.720 --> 1:21:49.479 my ups to be black to a school on the 1:21:49.520 --> 1:21:51.160 other side of town simply because of her skin color? 1:21:51.200 --> 1:21:52.840 Why can't you go to the one right down the 1:21:52.880 --> 1:21:55.519 street from us? Same things happening today too. It's like, well, wait, 1:21:55.560 --> 1:21:57.519 why do I have to send my kid across town 1:21:57.920 --> 1:22:01.000 to a school that's performing when a underperforming school, why 1:22:01.000 --> 1:22:03.040 don't we just fix the school that's broken that steps 1:22:03.040 --> 1:22:05.840 away from my house. Same type of argument, And here 1:22:06.000 --> 1:22:07.320 you go again. And a litm bit of time we 1:22:07.439 --> 1:22:09.800 have because I don't know how many people are found 1:22:09.840 --> 1:22:13.160 this man Danny thing, But we really haven't discussed his 1:22:13.280 --> 1:22:15.479 hit list, his wants and these and what he wants 1:22:15.520 --> 1:22:17.120 to do New York City, why he won the mayor 1:22:17.160 --> 1:22:18.760 whole primary, What are some of the promise what are 1:22:18.800 --> 1:22:20.760 some things that jumped off the page at you when 1:22:20.800 --> 1:22:22.720 it comes to the reforms they want to do with 1:22:22.840 --> 1:22:25.679 a democratic socialist or socialist system in New York City. 1:22:27.479 --> 1:22:30.360 Three major parts of some of them on Donnie's platform 1:22:30.680 --> 1:22:34.719 were making buses free with the New York City providing 1:22:34.920 --> 1:22:40.479 free universal childcare, and then also freezing the rent for 1:22:40.560 --> 1:22:42.720 about half the apartment in New York City, those that 1:22:42.760 --> 1:22:45.120 are subject to New York City rent regulations. 1:22:45.640 --> 1:22:48.840 Right, Okay, so I'm a landlord, I own property, So 1:22:48.960 --> 1:22:50.840 you're telling me I have a cap on how much 1:22:50.880 --> 1:22:52.519 I can charge. What do you think I'm going to do? 1:22:52.680 --> 1:22:56.519 Ken, I would not be shocked if you were to 1:22:56.640 --> 1:23:00.280 immediately sell your property if that were the case to. 1:23:00.320 --> 1:23:02.400 The stead or it's like, okay, fine, I'll keep it. 1:23:02.479 --> 1:23:04.600 But you know your microwave breaks. You think I'm going 1:23:04.640 --> 1:23:07.120 to replace that anytime soon? The roof is laking, a 1:23:07.200 --> 1:23:10.840 pipe is broken, your refrigerator isn't working. Where's mind centive 1:23:10.880 --> 1:23:12.759 to fix that? If I can't recoup my losses. 1:23:14.040 --> 1:23:17.000 This is something again that predates Mamdani. This goes back 1:23:17.040 --> 1:23:20.360 to the twenty nineteen rent laws in New York which 1:23:20.520 --> 1:23:23.960 were quite possibly the most extreme rent regulation in the country. 1:23:24.320 --> 1:23:27.000 But what they've resulted in is something called warehousing where 1:23:27.040 --> 1:23:30.519 you have these apartment buildings where a tenant moved out, 1:23:31.400 --> 1:23:34.600 and the landlord just doesn't want to spend ninety or 1:23:34.600 --> 1:23:39.280 one hundred thousand dollars rehabilitating this apartment that's often been 1:23:39.320 --> 1:23:42.320 occupied for forty plus years, and they don't want to 1:23:42.320 --> 1:23:44.400 do the upgrades. They they don't want to spend the 1:23:44.479 --> 1:23:48.400 money on major mitigation. So instead this apartment gets warehoused, 1:23:48.560 --> 1:23:51.600 which means nobody gets to rent it. It contributes to 1:23:51.840 --> 1:23:55.320 the housing shortage in New York City. It stresses the 1:23:55.400 --> 1:23:58.679 finances of those buildings and limits the apartment owner's ability 1:23:58.720 --> 1:24:02.160 to invest other things, things that would benefit the other tenants. 1:24:02.720 --> 1:24:06.479 And it is something that for which there eventually there 1:24:06.560 --> 1:24:09.280 will be a reckoning in New York as more apartments 1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:13.679 get warehoused, as more apartment buildings get pushed into financial 1:24:13.760 --> 1:24:16.360 distress by this law, and at the end of the day, 1:24:16.560 --> 1:24:18.759 the biggest losers are going to be the tenants. 1:24:19.200 --> 1:24:20.760 In New York City. It looks like it did in 1:24:20.840 --> 1:24:25.200 the seventies, where you have burnt out buildings and poverty 1:24:25.439 --> 1:24:28.920 atop of poverty, and it becomes a dystopian nightmare. 1:24:29.840 --> 1:24:32.720 I very much hope that we don't ever ever revisit 1:24:33.040 --> 1:24:36.200 that situation that we saw particular, the Bronx comes to 1:24:36.280 --> 1:24:37.960 mind in the nineteen seventies. 1:24:38.200 --> 1:24:39.559 I really hope we don't get there. 1:24:39.640 --> 1:24:43.719 But it is always possible for state policy to result 1:24:43.840 --> 1:24:46.799 in very big problems, especially at the local. 1:24:46.640 --> 1:24:49.880 Level, largely because history always repeats itself. Because we have 1:24:50.000 --> 1:24:51.640 short memories, we don't learn, We don't look at the 1:24:51.680 --> 1:24:53.519 past and go, wow, we got to keep doing We go, well, 1:24:53.560 --> 1:24:55.280 why are we doing that? Why are we doing it? No, 1:24:55.360 --> 1:24:57.679 it's different now, it's really not really that different the model. 1:24:58.000 --> 1:25:01.719 The model still works and the value of socialism historically speaking, 1:25:01.800 --> 1:25:04.679 even though theoretically, you know, theory is one thing you applied, 1:25:04.720 --> 1:25:08.200 it doesn't work. You know, central planning can't allocate resources 1:25:08.439 --> 1:25:09.960 unless you, as you mentioned, you know, there's got to 1:25:10.000 --> 1:25:12.320 be signals from the from the market on what a 1:25:12.360 --> 1:25:14.240 price on something should be. If not, you're gonna have 1:25:14.280 --> 1:25:16.920 shortages and surpluses and mill misallocate. You're gonna have a 1:25:16.920 --> 1:25:19.599 million toilet seats and no toilet papers, which are gonna 1:25:19.600 --> 1:25:22.360 wind up having. And there's no incentive for companies to 1:25:22.439 --> 1:25:24.840 make stuff. We sa again back to the Soviet Union. 1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:26.760 Now you have one one type of car is all 1:25:26.840 --> 1:25:28.439 you have? Well, good, the hot did that work out 1:25:28.520 --> 1:25:32.080 for those vehicles, whether it's in Cuba or whether it's 1:25:32.200 --> 1:25:35.280 the Soviet Union. And Venezuela is another great example oil 1:25:35.400 --> 1:25:37.639 rich high. You know, you can talk about not having resource, 1:25:37.720 --> 1:25:40.200 but Venezuela is an oil is an oil rich nation. 1:25:40.840 --> 1:25:43.040 And you look at what happened there because they nationalize 1:25:43.080 --> 1:25:46.679 the industries, productivity went down. You had seven plus million 1:25:46.760 --> 1:25:49.880 people fleeing and their GDP collapsed. That's why Venezuela is 1:25:49.880 --> 1:25:51.320 in the state that's in right, and that's why I've 1:25:51.320 --> 1:25:54.479 blown up ships off their coast because you know, exporting 1:25:54.560 --> 1:25:58.600 drugs as a you know, front for China is the 1:25:58.720 --> 1:26:01.240 only opportunity that they have and it's an all origination. 1:26:01.360 --> 1:26:02.519 It's it's a shame, it really is. 1:26:03.439 --> 1:26:07.400 Well, next time will be different, Yeah, but you know. 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:09.720 What, because now we have the Internet and that's the 1:26:09.840 --> 1:26:12.120 game change. We have AI. They didn't have the they 1:26:12.160 --> 1:26:14.320 didn't have the AI back in the nineties. It's going 1:26:14.400 --> 1:26:15.519 to be different this time around. 1:26:15.560 --> 1:26:15.640 Now. 1:26:15.760 --> 1:26:18.080 The only thing to change was we had yet people 1:26:18.120 --> 1:26:20.960 come of age, be born and not seeing the abject 1:26:21.040 --> 1:26:23.760 poverty and problems with these models, and then they just 1:26:23.800 --> 1:26:25.840 go this seems like a sexy thing because they're buying, 1:26:26.080 --> 1:26:28.360 you know, they're buying something somebody else. Almos like, Yeah, 1:26:28.360 --> 1:26:30.320 you don't have to work and the state supplies everything. 1:26:30.439 --> 1:26:32.439 Sign me up. Who doesn't want that? It's like crawling 1:26:32.520 --> 1:26:34.920 back in the womb. You don't have to be responsible, accoutable. 1:26:35.080 --> 1:26:36.880 You don't have to hustle or do anything. But if 1:26:37.200 --> 1:26:39.599 if you do, and if you want to, we don't 1:26:39.640 --> 1:26:42.639 have room for you. There's no incentive to do that. Again, 1:26:42.720 --> 1:26:44.479 it's a ken Jerarden. You can read about this at 1:26:44.560 --> 1:26:47.200 Manhattan Institute dot dot com or is it dot org? 1:26:47.200 --> 1:26:50.880 I apologize it's Manhattan dot Institute. 1:26:50.600 --> 1:26:51.919 Manhattan dot Institute. 1:26:51.960 --> 1:26:52.320 There you go. 1:26:52.520 --> 1:26:53.280 So I really. 1:26:54.800 --> 1:26:56.639 It could be the best, the good best, or socialism 1:26:56.640 --> 1:26:58.720 on the husband. Anyway, thanks again, I appreciate it can be. 1:26:58.800 --> 1:26:59.519 Well, thanks for you. 1:27:00.200 --> 1:27:03.160 Yeah, this guy went from come on, it's another joke, 1:27:03.200 --> 1:27:05.519 an other socialist. Actually, it looks like he's gonna wind 1:27:05.640 --> 1:27:08.479 up winning, uh the Mayor's office city of New York. 1:27:08.520 --> 1:27:10.759 And that's going to be really interesting considering this anti 1:27:10.920 --> 1:27:14.280 cop and pretty anti capitalism kind of stance on a 1:27:14.320 --> 1:27:18.040 lot of stuff AOC incorporated over there. We'll see how 1:27:18.080 --> 1:27:21.200 it goes. Probably not well, probably rent control is another one. 1:27:21.200 --> 1:27:23.960 I don't see how that works out anyway. We live 1:27:24.080 --> 1:27:26.080 in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana. We don't live in New York City. 1:27:26.120 --> 1:27:28.960 So there you go news in just a few minutes. 1:27:29.200 --> 1:27:31.439 And when returned to The Scotsland Show on seven hundred 1:27:31.479 --> 1:27:35.719 w W, Sarah's here snorting through her nose, laughing about 1:27:35.760 --> 1:27:40.439 sports because the alternative is crying snorts of all sorts 1:27:40.520 --> 1:27:59.519 aka the Snort Report. Next seven hundred, it. 1:28:02.479 --> 1:28:03.920 Might get a little spicy today. 1:28:04.000 --> 1:28:09.560 I'm curious, yes, to know someone who's eternally optimistic, not 1:28:09.720 --> 1:28:12.360 ridiculous like SEG where they could be oh to twelve. 1:28:12.720 --> 1:28:13.880 Oh, We're never on SEG. 1:28:14.080 --> 1:28:17.120 Don't think you're on that level of fandom slash as 1:28:17.280 --> 1:28:18.400 kissing slash delusion. 1:28:18.680 --> 1:28:20.360 Where are you right, craziness? 1:28:20.400 --> 1:28:21.920 Where are you with this football team right now? 1:28:22.600 --> 1:28:24.040 The game over the weekend sent me over. 1:28:23.960 --> 1:28:25.840 The edge, over the edge. You were there, weren't you? 1:28:26.000 --> 1:28:26.439 I was there. 1:28:26.840 --> 1:28:30.000 I was with my husband, my dad, my uncle. I 1:28:30.080 --> 1:28:32.640 think among the four of us there were over one 1:28:32.680 --> 1:28:35.240 hundred f bombs dropped. Hi, you going to lose to 1:28:35.320 --> 1:28:38.400 the seven Jets? If anyone's going to hand them thirty 1:28:38.479 --> 1:28:40.200 nine points, might as well be the Bengals defense. 1:28:40.240 --> 1:28:44.200 They put up five hundred plus yards Wednesday. The last 1:28:44.240 --> 1:28:46.360 time they did that was like fifteen years ago when 1:28:46.360 --> 1:28:47.519 they played the Bengals. Last time. 1:28:48.040 --> 1:28:48.640 Unheard of. 1:28:49.400 --> 1:28:53.000 God, I guess on Monday they had a defensive player's 1:28:53.160 --> 1:28:54.280 only meeting to. 1:28:54.400 --> 1:28:56.080 Be a fly on the wall in there. I don't 1:28:56.160 --> 1:28:59.280 know what they accomplished. What are you going to say? 1:29:00.760 --> 1:29:03.720 One wants to step up? Someone needs to be a cump, 1:29:03.800 --> 1:29:08.360 somebody needs No, he's right, that's crazy. Aboudment of your 1:29:08.400 --> 1:29:10.320 team is that you don't have any leaders. 1:29:10.880 --> 1:29:13.240 Trey Hendrickson, What about that guy? Isn't he one of 1:29:13.320 --> 1:29:15.880 the captains but he's not loud? Didn't you name six 1:29:16.000 --> 1:29:16.920 guys as captain? 1:29:17.040 --> 1:29:19.600 You the guy's gonna just start screaming at guys in 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:21.360 the room. That's what you need. That's a leader. 1:29:23.000 --> 1:29:25.240 When am I going to see Zach Taylor throw a chair? 1:29:26.120 --> 1:29:26.360 You're not. 1:29:27.920 --> 1:29:30.160 I want to see some chair throwing. Come on, get 1:29:30.240 --> 1:29:30.840 pissed off. 1:29:30.920 --> 1:29:32.639 Imagine what Dan Campbell would be doing. 1:29:33.080 --> 1:29:36.040 Oh my god, right, throw a chair? 1:29:36.640 --> 1:29:38.519 You think Tomlin threw some chairs after he got beat 1:29:38.560 --> 1:29:38.920 by the back. 1:29:40.479 --> 1:29:45.000 Yes, we need the Tomlin attitude here in Cincinnati. Sunday 1:29:45.040 --> 1:29:47.479 sent me over. Now it's Wednesday. 1:29:47.520 --> 1:29:49.360 It's so mad. He said, there's a thing. That's how 1:29:49.479 --> 1:29:52.280 Zach Taylor gets fired. He takes a chair and throws 1:29:52.320 --> 1:29:54.679 it through a window, and he gets fired for destroying 1:29:54.680 --> 1:29:56.160 company property because that costs money. 1:29:56.520 --> 1:30:00.360 Exactly, you're losing the jet. 1:30:00.680 --> 1:30:03.320 But he broke a window, calling not such a one 1:30:03.360 --> 1:30:05.719 thousand dollars of that window in that chair was sixty 1:30:05.840 --> 1:30:08.680 nine to ninety eight at IKEA. We're not going to 1:30:08.760 --> 1:30:11.000 have this run a tight budget down here. 1:30:11.240 --> 1:30:11.360 Now. 1:30:11.400 --> 1:30:12.400 That just set them over. 1:30:13.800 --> 1:30:17.360 Oh my god, I'm still not okay, speaking of money, 1:30:17.840 --> 1:30:21.599 season ticket holders not okay. I came across this article 1:30:21.680 --> 1:30:25.040 yesterday from Cincinnati inchoir making its rounds all over social media. 1:30:25.040 --> 1:30:26.960 I've got it on my Twitter x page, outs Sara. 1:30:27.000 --> 1:30:30.719 At least one twenty eight go chime in. The comments 1:30:30.760 --> 1:30:33.400 are so good. At least just read the comments about 1:30:33.439 --> 1:30:34.920 pissed off season ticket members. 1:30:35.600 --> 1:30:35.720 Uh. 1:30:36.080 --> 1:30:38.360 The article is a thank you letter to the Brown 1:30:38.439 --> 1:30:39.920 and Blackburn. 1:30:39.479 --> 1:30:44.599 Family for increasing season ticket pricing for twenty twenty six. 1:30:45.439 --> 1:30:48.720 The example in this article the guy says he's paying 1:30:48.760 --> 1:30:52.639 forty six hundred dollars for nine games now next season 1:30:52.720 --> 1:30:57.519 going up to six thousand dollars six thousand bucks in 1:30:57.680 --> 1:31:01.120 twenty twenty six. He says, when it's twenty twenty two, 1:31:01.880 --> 1:31:07.160 tickets have increased by over two hundred percent. Also, season 1:31:07.200 --> 1:31:10.640 ticket members not happy that their thank you gift is 1:31:10.680 --> 1:31:13.120 a sticker. What a sticker? 1:31:13.439 --> 1:31:13.960 A sticker? 1:31:14.080 --> 1:31:14.559 A sticker? 1:31:14.720 --> 1:31:18.960 What's a sticker? Say, season ticket holder? That's it the 1:31:19.320 --> 1:31:22.280 QR code for VENMO. You can send them more money exactly. 1:31:23.000 --> 1:31:25.439 And I guess season ticket members are not happy because 1:31:25.800 --> 1:31:29.320 they'll go to these like exclusive season ticket member events 1:31:30.080 --> 1:31:32.920 where they're having to pay extra money for things like 1:31:33.360 --> 1:31:35.040 you got to spend extra money to take a pick 1:31:35.120 --> 1:31:38.720 with who day, or to get this little I don't know, 1:31:38.840 --> 1:31:39.719 this extra gift. 1:31:39.800 --> 1:31:41.920 I don't know. I'm not I'm not a season ticket member. 1:31:42.040 --> 1:31:44.840 My dad used to be, and he dropped them before 1:31:44.920 --> 1:31:47.840 the Joe Burrow era because he was so pissed about 1:31:47.880 --> 1:31:50.479 missing the playoffs and spending extra money and the pricing 1:31:50.560 --> 1:31:52.600 going up and having the license for the seat and 1:31:52.680 --> 1:31:53.920 here we go again, so and then. 1:31:53.840 --> 1:31:54.160 Here we go. 1:31:54.240 --> 1:31:56.840 It's like a vicious circle. You know, your quarterback is 1:31:56.920 --> 1:32:00.280 constantly sidelined. You can't get a new defense. The icing 1:32:00.400 --> 1:32:02.720 just keeps going up and then they're getting hounded by 1:32:03.120 --> 1:32:05.479 you know, the sales like, what are you gonna do? 1:32:05.479 --> 1:32:07.479 You're gonna renew what's going on? Otherwise you're going to 1:32:07.520 --> 1:32:08.720 go on a wait list if you ever want to 1:32:08.720 --> 1:32:09.240 get them back. 1:32:09.560 --> 1:32:12.679 But here's the thing. I understand being a sales person 1:32:12.840 --> 1:32:15.000 with a sports team. I used to do it. It's 1:32:15.000 --> 1:32:16.840 a very tough job. So it's not on them. They're 1:32:16.880 --> 1:32:17.920 just trying to get their numbers and. 1:32:17.880 --> 1:32:18.560 They're getting yelled it. 1:32:18.600 --> 1:32:20.160 But yeah, and it sucks though, because they do have 1:32:20.240 --> 1:32:22.000 to be the person that tells you, hey, the pricing 1:32:22.080 --> 1:32:22.559 is going up. 1:32:22.600 --> 1:32:23.320 Do you want the seats? 1:32:23.600 --> 1:32:25.040 Do you want the seats or not? Otherwise you're going 1:32:25.080 --> 1:32:26.439 to go back on a wait list for years. 1:32:26.520 --> 1:32:28.200 See, I think you're looking at it wrong. 1:32:28.920 --> 1:32:29.800 I am, you know what. 1:32:29.920 --> 1:32:31.800 Yeah, here's why you're looking and why. Here's why angry 1:32:31.880 --> 1:32:34.240 fans are okay, and I get it because they're not happy. 1:32:34.280 --> 1:32:36.360 You shouldn't be happy about this. But here's the thing. 1:32:36.720 --> 1:32:38.400 You need to look at this not as hey, it's 1:32:38.479 --> 1:32:40.560 my team, I'm gonna go to every single game. You 1:32:40.640 --> 1:32:42.400 need to look at this if you have the money 1:32:42.520 --> 1:32:45.600 as investment. So let's say for example, I don't know, 1:32:45.720 --> 1:32:47.519 you're looking to see, that's a PSL, right, do the 1:32:47.600 --> 1:32:51.000 PSL personal seat license? In some stadiums they do this, 1:32:51.080 --> 1:32:53.240 and they don't like there's I know that my dad 1:32:53.320 --> 1:32:54.840 had to do it, right, like like like I don't know, 1:32:54.920 --> 1:32:57.000 four grand a seat or something like that, right, right, Okay, 1:32:57.280 --> 1:32:58.599 So I got to lay that out and then look 1:32:58.600 --> 1:33:01.120 at the season tickets and is X dollars a season? 1:33:01.240 --> 1:33:04.439 You know, a couple thousand? Okay, So if you go 1:33:04.600 --> 1:33:07.120 to I don't know, half the home games, can you 1:33:07.160 --> 1:33:09.800 then turn around and sell those tickets on the secondary market? 1:33:09.920 --> 1:33:14.000 The way stadiums are now, they're not doing box office. 1:33:14.080 --> 1:33:15.800 There's no such thing as a box office. It's all 1:33:15.880 --> 1:33:20.080 secondary market. It's all hub. It's the NFL. The NFL 1:33:20.160 --> 1:33:21.920 does it whatever, right, So you got to look at 1:33:21.920 --> 1:33:23.840 that and go, all right, I put the money out. 1:33:24.280 --> 1:33:28.120 If I sold tickets to these games like the Steelers 1:33:28.360 --> 1:33:31.200 or Casey or whoever's coming to town, can I make 1:33:31.280 --> 1:33:32.920 up in those three or four games? Can I make 1:33:33.000 --> 1:33:35.280 up the difference and actually make money off the season ticket? 1:33:35.280 --> 1:33:38.520 Okayt members that do that and they lose. 1:33:38.360 --> 1:33:40.160 Money, Okay, that's because it's the Bengals. 1:33:40.320 --> 1:33:43.400 They came in negative last year by five thousand bucks. 1:33:43.479 --> 1:33:44.840 That's the problem. So you got to look at that 1:33:45.000 --> 1:33:47.120 as an investment, going, hey can I make money by 1:33:47.160 --> 1:33:49.320 selling this to whatever team travels? 1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:49.840 Well? Right? 1:33:50.080 --> 1:33:52.519 Like you do that the like look at the Lions fans. 1:33:52.520 --> 1:33:56.080 They took over our stadium, so. 1:33:56.120 --> 1:33:57.600 You're going to get some of that money back. So 1:33:57.760 --> 1:33:59.280 it offsets that cost of being a fan. 1:33:59.479 --> 1:34:02.080 Well, and everything obviously went up when we did get 1:34:02.160 --> 1:34:02.679 Joe Burrow. 1:34:02.920 --> 1:34:04.160 And you look at it as a fan, go, no, 1:34:04.200 --> 1:34:05.439 I want to go to all the home games, and 1:34:05.479 --> 1:34:07.040 then you're miserable about it. And I'm not saying not 1:34:07.120 --> 1:34:08.880 buy the tickets, but you know it's set up like now, 1:34:08.920 --> 1:34:10.800 it's more of investment going hey can I get some 1:34:10.880 --> 1:34:13.519 of this money back and make I may lose my money. 1:34:13.520 --> 1:34:14.920 I think most people come back in the negatives. 1:34:14.960 --> 1:34:17.040 They're not in to make money. But it off racks 1:34:17.120 --> 1:34:18.240 considerably that investment. 1:34:18.360 --> 1:34:20.960 Yeah, because once you do get rid of them, you 1:34:21.040 --> 1:34:22.680 have to go back on a wait list to get them, 1:34:22.800 --> 1:34:24.479 is what the sales rep I guess is saying. 1:34:24.479 --> 1:34:25.960 And if you're new a fan, quit looking at it 1:34:26.080 --> 1:34:27.920 as a oh I'm a fan, super fan I need 1:34:27.960 --> 1:34:29.240 to go to every game. No, you need to look 1:34:29.240 --> 1:34:29.920 at as an investment. 1:34:30.040 --> 1:34:31.080 You can be both things. 1:34:31.479 --> 1:34:34.040 You can be a super fan and you can also 1:34:34.720 --> 1:34:37.720 be mad about the rising cost and get rid of 1:34:37.760 --> 1:34:40.679 your season tickets. Yep, it doesn't go against your fandom. 1:34:41.200 --> 1:34:42.680 I mean, just because I'm going to stay at home 1:34:42.720 --> 1:34:45.760 this Sunday and watch the game on tea doesn't make 1:34:45.880 --> 1:34:46.840 me less of a fan. 1:34:47.080 --> 1:34:47.599 No, it doesn't. 1:34:47.720 --> 1:34:48.960 Saying this is too expensive. 1:34:48.960 --> 1:34:50.880 I did get on tickpic this morning just to look 1:34:50.920 --> 1:34:52.960 at what it's going to be against the Bears this Sunday. 1:34:53.720 --> 1:34:57.120 It's like two fifty for the end zone coming down 1:34:57.160 --> 1:34:59.559 to and are they I guess so it's an easy drugs. 1:34:59.600 --> 1:35:01.560 They're not like Cubs fans, and they're rabbit about that. 1:35:01.920 --> 1:35:03.679 I mean, the Bears aren't too bad of a team 1:35:04.000 --> 1:35:06.400 four and three. It's worth a travel. I've got a 1:35:06.439 --> 1:35:07.960 couple of friends that are making the trips. 1:35:08.000 --> 1:35:10.080 So sure enough, selling your tickets for three hund or 1:35:10.160 --> 1:35:12.720 whatever it is, and you know you offset that cost 1:35:12.760 --> 1:35:15.080 a little bit more. You're right, it's an investment, it. 1:35:15.240 --> 1:35:15.760 Is, and it is. 1:35:15.880 --> 1:35:18.280 It's very expensive to go to a game. I mean 1:35:18.320 --> 1:35:20.040 you pay for the parking and then you get a 1:35:20.240 --> 1:35:22.759 I mean, it's a seven hundred day, seven hundred dollars 1:35:22.840 --> 1:35:23.240 day out. 1:35:23.360 --> 1:35:25.840 It sucks charging the season ticket holders though, to have 1:35:25.920 --> 1:35:28.479 their picture taket with the mascot is that's insulting. 1:35:28.520 --> 1:35:30.320 And that's what the article on Inquire is saying, go 1:35:30.479 --> 1:35:32.760 check it out. The guy who's saying yeah, like you know, 1:35:32.920 --> 1:35:35.400 the company the Christmas party, they're you know, they're wanting 1:35:35.439 --> 1:35:37.160 money to take a pic with who Day with the 1:35:37.439 --> 1:35:38.160 Santa and all that. 1:35:38.280 --> 1:35:39.800 I mean, whatever, that makes no sense. 1:35:40.560 --> 1:35:43.439 This is really interesting because there's no one more positive 1:35:43.479 --> 1:35:47.240 outside of seg on this radio station about Cincinnati sports teams. 1:35:47.240 --> 1:35:48.919 But you always try to stay positive. 1:35:48.960 --> 1:35:52.519 But Sunday she's been a hundred right now because you're like, look, 1:35:52.600 --> 1:35:55.080 I go to all the games. You know, I'm taking pictures, 1:35:55.120 --> 1:35:59.519 I got my all stuff, I'm supportive, I'm doing and 1:35:59.600 --> 1:36:01.120 if you Sarah lease. 1:36:01.640 --> 1:36:04.080 You got really ross, You've really lozed. 1:36:04.840 --> 1:36:06.320 And I won't be there on Sunday. I have a 1:36:06.400 --> 1:36:08.600 reason for that. I will be out of down. But 1:36:09.600 --> 1:36:11.760 it is getting ridiculously expensive to be there. 1:36:11.920 --> 1:36:13.760 It's always just going to get more expensive every year. 1:36:13.960 --> 1:36:16.320 Yes, and again that's why my dad dropped his stuff too, 1:36:16.360 --> 1:36:19.160 and I don't blame him. So ticket price is going 1:36:19.240 --> 1:36:21.200 up for twenty twenty six. That is something trending on 1:36:21.320 --> 1:36:22.000 social media. 1:36:22.160 --> 1:36:24.040 Good good time to do that. When your team sucks, 1:36:24.520 --> 1:36:29.840 and I mean Joe Burrow, somebody's fine. The offense did great, 1:36:29.880 --> 1:36:31.040 the running game was great. 1:36:31.760 --> 1:36:34.080 Offense is not the problem. The thirty eight points. That 1:36:34.080 --> 1:36:34.920 should be an easy. 1:36:34.760 --> 1:36:37.080 Waiting for Joe Burrow to come. Well, if Joe Burrow 1:36:37.160 --> 1:36:40.360 comes back, somebody said, well yesterday talk about how they 1:36:40.360 --> 1:36:43.600 should go and get Brendon Sorosby and Trent coach him up. 1:36:43.640 --> 1:36:45.440 It's like, that's the dumbest d every. 1:36:45.560 --> 1:36:46.559 Can you play defense? 1:36:48.800 --> 1:36:50.800 If Flacco's fine, he's doing fine. 1:36:50.560 --> 1:36:51.280 Blaco is great. 1:36:51.320 --> 1:36:54.400 Flacco looked great on Sunday, he looked great the week before. 1:36:54.479 --> 1:36:57.200 He looked great in Lambeau. The play calling, then you 1:36:57.240 --> 1:36:59.240 look at that in that final strength. It's not on Flacco. 1:36:59.360 --> 1:37:00.599 Why are you going up the middle? 1:37:02.479 --> 1:37:06.120 Thank you? Yoshibash couldn't catch a cold. At this point. 1:37:06.520 --> 1:37:09.360 I love Yoshi, No you don't. I love him as 1:37:09.360 --> 1:37:09.759 a person. 1:37:10.000 --> 1:37:13.120 I don't care about great dude, he's Cincinnati, but he's 1:37:13.160 --> 1:37:14.240 such a good guy. 1:37:14.200 --> 1:37:16.479 And that's what that's what people were saying about Zach 1:37:16.520 --> 1:37:20.400 Taylor a great guy, wonderful family man, super nice. 1:37:21.520 --> 1:37:23.280 But I don't want nice anymore. I want wins. 1:37:23.360 --> 1:37:24.680 Yeah, I want wins. Go ahead, and you know what, 1:37:24.800 --> 1:37:26.559 if you want to add to the crime problem in Cincinnati, 1:37:26.560 --> 1:37:27.519 go ahead, as long as you win. 1:37:29.240 --> 1:37:29.400 Right. 1:37:30.360 --> 1:37:31.479 So the trade deadline is. 1:37:32.960 --> 1:37:34.759 I don't care, but you're asked better be there on Sunday. 1:37:35.360 --> 1:37:38.840 Trade deadline is Tuesday. I don't know what they're gonna do, 1:37:39.080 --> 1:37:40.000 if anything. 1:37:39.840 --> 1:37:40.760 What do you think they're going to do? 1:37:40.920 --> 1:37:42.000 Nothing? Nothing, nothing. 1:37:42.080 --> 1:37:43.760 We've got. We're good enough to win. It's just we 1:37:43.880 --> 1:37:47.439 need someone to step up. You drafted guys who don't 1:37:47.439 --> 1:37:48.599 step up. That's the problem. 1:37:48.680 --> 1:37:50.560 I don't get it. What has Shamar Stewart done for 1:37:50.640 --> 1:37:51.120 this team? 1:37:52.040 --> 1:37:54.439 Nothing to be done. That's starting to look like a 1:37:54.479 --> 1:37:56.920 boss now. He's still young. It's only a few games. 1:37:57.000 --> 1:38:00.479 But I did two and a half tackles and college 1:38:00.560 --> 1:38:04.679 and then nothing went down Game two and then getting 1:38:04.720 --> 1:38:05.160 coached up. 1:38:05.200 --> 1:38:06.720 I don't know what it is, but it ain't good. 1:38:06.920 --> 1:38:10.759 This defense is really it's horrible, not good, horrible. 1:38:10.800 --> 1:38:13.720 Speaking of bad news for the defense, Trey Hendrickson is 1:38:13.800 --> 1:38:16.080 day to day back with that hip injury, that's definitely. 1:38:16.080 --> 1:38:18.680 We saw him go out before halftime. Day to day 1:38:18.840 --> 1:38:20.320 it's three henderckson a waste of money. 1:38:22.160 --> 1:38:23.760 Well, I mean, you don't know when guy get hurt. 1:38:23.800 --> 1:38:24.280 That's not fair. 1:38:24.560 --> 1:38:27.880 I understand that. But can we say that he's injury prone. Well, 1:38:28.479 --> 1:38:29.880 there's a lot of money for that guy that we 1:38:30.000 --> 1:38:33.040 really haven't seen much out of. And guess what when 1:38:33.040 --> 1:38:35.880 he was on the sidelines during that Steelers game, they 1:38:35.920 --> 1:38:36.720 still managed to win. 1:38:36.840 --> 1:38:38.479 Have you got me slit my wrist? You got any 1:38:38.479 --> 1:38:42.639 good news? I love crapping on the Bengals a year. 1:38:43.760 --> 1:38:47.479 Hey night, that's a game. 1:38:47.400 --> 1:38:48.000 We're moving on. 1:38:49.439 --> 1:38:51.479 I did I watch it the entire time. Dankee is 1:38:51.600 --> 1:38:54.120 king with twelve minutes left to go, I was so excited. 1:38:54.360 --> 1:38:56.320 Hopefully they can go and get it done this Sunday 1:38:56.360 --> 1:38:56.959 and Columbus. 1:38:56.960 --> 1:38:58.240 I have all the faith in the world and this 1:38:58.360 --> 1:38:59.920 team please bring us home a drove. 1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:01.559 They were all over them and they should have six 1:39:01.640 --> 1:39:04.720 goals and they just couldn't find And finally they dominated. 1:39:04.200 --> 1:39:07.000 That game over Columbus really did. It was great. It 1:39:07.120 --> 1:39:07.479 was great. 1:39:07.760 --> 1:39:10.720 Eventually they go in but on Columbus that fought pretty well. 1:39:11.040 --> 1:39:13.880 How many games away until the final. I guess five. 1:39:14.400 --> 1:39:15.840 They have to get five like that. 1:39:15.920 --> 1:39:18.680 Yeah, hopefully you go to Columbus on what Sunday night, 1:39:18.720 --> 1:39:21.840 Sunday night and beat them there and then you don't 1:39:21.840 --> 1:39:22.920 have to play that third. You don't want to go 1:39:23.000 --> 1:39:23.559 to a third. 1:39:23.400 --> 1:39:24.240 Game, exactly. 1:39:24.439 --> 1:39:26.599 I don't shoot off for the longest time. I hate 1:39:26.600 --> 1:39:28.360 the idea of going to a shootout. 1:39:28.040 --> 1:39:29.439 But I think that they have to do that during 1:39:29.479 --> 1:39:31.400 regular season games. That's something that you want to do. 1:39:31.560 --> 1:39:33.360 But don't they do that in the playoffs too? Don't 1:39:33.360 --> 1:39:34.640 they go to a Yeah, they go to like a kid, 1:39:34.680 --> 1:39:36.880 they go directly to that. Oh, I think that's terrible. 1:39:36.960 --> 1:39:38.679 I just don't like the ending in a tie thing. 1:39:38.960 --> 1:39:41.560 Especially in the playoffs. Right, you can't do that, you know, 1:39:41.760 --> 1:39:44.760 It's like hockey, sudden death overtime is great speaking of 1:39:45.120 --> 1:39:46.800 falls over dead because I. 1:39:46.880 --> 1:39:48.200 Know we don't have a whole lot of time left. 1:39:48.200 --> 1:39:49.400 We're trying to keep it positive. 1:39:49.520 --> 1:39:53.000 Let's go our Cincinnati Cyclones are back tomorrow night, and 1:39:53.120 --> 1:39:55.720 it's it's a very special night. 1:39:55.960 --> 1:40:00.720 Why because I'm going to be the sirens and I'll 1:40:00.760 --> 1:40:02.280 have a very special guest with me. 1:40:02.439 --> 1:40:05.240 Okay, a sirens sound like can you imitate the siren 1:40:11.320 --> 1:40:16.200 in exactly saying that's what she sounds like to her 1:40:16.280 --> 1:40:18.800 husband all the time too. That's the best part. I 1:40:18.800 --> 1:40:19.519 don't know all I hear. 1:40:20.600 --> 1:40:24.120 I told you I'm spicy today. Okay, I gotta get over. 1:40:24.160 --> 1:40:25.719 There's a special guest the sirens. 1:40:25.760 --> 1:40:26.000 Hander. 1:40:26.320 --> 1:40:29.519 You have to be there to find out. Trey Hendrickson, No, 1:40:29.680 --> 1:40:31.880 his hip bothers him, sure a lot. We don't need 1:40:31.960 --> 1:40:33.880 him to pull a hip while he's moving the siren. 1:40:34.800 --> 1:40:36.720 And it won't be Joe Flacco because he's day to 1:40:36.800 --> 1:40:37.880 day with a shoulder injury. 1:40:37.920 --> 1:40:40.600 Oh my god, you can't even get past it. 1:40:40.760 --> 1:40:43.040 But less than one hundred and fifty days until opening day, 1:40:43.040 --> 1:40:50.240 all right? Oh and they found out who did the 1:40:50.600 --> 1:40:53.120 Marty statue vandalism. 1:40:53.600 --> 1:40:55.599 Yeah, a thirteen year old child. 1:40:56.200 --> 1:40:58.920 At thirteen year old boy at three o'clock in the 1:40:58.960 --> 1:40:59.519 afternoon on. 1:40:59.560 --> 1:41:03.720 Saturday, I had money engine boden my CPD sources said 1:41:03.720 --> 1:41:05.080 they found a little hunkle other paints. 1:41:06.520 --> 1:41:08.160 What do you do with the thirteen year old kid? 1:41:08.600 --> 1:41:09.639 He doesn't go to jail. 1:41:09.800 --> 1:41:11.360 He did it, and like he tried to fix it. 1:41:11.760 --> 1:41:12.080 He did. 1:41:12.200 --> 1:41:14.240 He's probably like, oh crap, that mic just came off 1:41:14.280 --> 1:41:14.599 the stand. 1:41:14.680 --> 1:41:16.080 I didn't see them, and then he ran off. I 1:41:16.080 --> 1:41:18.040 didn't see the whole video. Did he intentionally try to 1:41:18.080 --> 1:41:19.479 bend the mic or was he trying to It's. 1:41:19.360 --> 1:41:24.160 Kind of hard to tell the footage on so grainy. 1:41:24.200 --> 1:41:26.080 What did Marty say? That mic is about as strong 1:41:26.080 --> 1:41:27.000 as the Bengals defense. 1:41:27.080 --> 1:41:28.440 Let me tell you, Shouldering. 1:41:32.200 --> 1:41:35.200 A lot more bothered Trump and had the National Guard 1:41:35.240 --> 1:41:38.360 gen My god, I thought, so too, Will you start 1:41:38.360 --> 1:41:40.439 to facing my likeness? No, that's when we got a 1:41:40.520 --> 1:41:43.519 real get them damn shoulders down TOEW. I don't know 1:41:43.560 --> 1:41:44.840 what the hell they're doing down here. 1:41:45.040 --> 1:41:46.760 It wasn't the sweat out they said they're gonna be 1:41:46.760 --> 1:41:47.479 out from two to ten. 1:41:47.840 --> 1:41:48.160 Sniper. 1:41:48.160 --> 1:41:51.800 Where was the swat snipers around the Marty's just now 1:41:51.840 --> 1:41:53.960 we're going to have security around this thing that's glued 1:41:54.040 --> 1:41:54.559 to the wall. 1:41:54.920 --> 1:41:58.640 You are clear to take the headshot. Clear. They do 1:41:58.720 --> 1:42:00.600 what you want to. Fountain Square. You can do what 1:42:00.680 --> 1:42:04.280 you want to. Crime running rampant, but don't you deface 1:42:04.360 --> 1:42:05.120 the Hall of Famers. 1:42:05.280 --> 1:42:06.880 Don't disrespect my guy. 1:42:07.160 --> 1:42:11.400 Don't do it. That bronze is etched in bronze. Sarah 1:42:11.400 --> 1:42:15.480 release the Snart report this morning. Any very dismal, depressing. 1:42:15.640 --> 1:42:17.240 Please get it done this weekend. 1:42:17.360 --> 1:42:19.599 Please go get the win against the Bears, because then 1:42:19.640 --> 1:42:21.599 they go to the by and then the schedule doesn't 1:42:21.640 --> 1:42:22.599 get any easier. 1:42:23.600 --> 1:42:24.719 It any easy. 1:42:24.800 --> 1:42:26.560 I'm loose to the Jets. I don't get it. I 1:42:26.640 --> 1:42:28.479 don't know what to expect Sunday. I really don't, but 1:42:28.560 --> 1:42:28.960 I'll watch. 1:42:29.080 --> 1:42:30.840 That's what I have no prediction. To ask me about 1:42:30.840 --> 1:42:32.080 a score, because I have no idea. I could have 1:42:32.160 --> 1:42:33.960 never predicted thirty nine to thirty eight would be the 1:42:34.040 --> 1:42:36.640 final against the Jets and seven Jets now the one 1:42:36.680 --> 1:42:37.200 and seven. 1:42:37.080 --> 1:42:39.519 One and seven, congratulations. Cincinnati is that team. 1:42:39.600 --> 1:42:41.760 If anyone's going to get those stats up for other teams, 1:42:41.800 --> 1:42:43.160 it's definitely going to be our defense. 1:42:43.320 --> 1:42:47.280 They always optimistic. Sarah, release that siren. 1:42:47.360 --> 1:42:47.679 Go again. 1:42:53.080 --> 1:42:55.599 Come to the Cyclones game seven thirty puck job tomorrow. 1:42:55.680 --> 1:42:58.560 You will hear the siren for yourself and see my 1:42:58.680 --> 1:42:59.920 special guest in person. 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:03.639 Okay. The scary part about this, I wonder do people 1:43:03.720 --> 1:43:05.840 with with what's going on downtown when when people hear 1:43:05.880 --> 1:43:08.000 that siren, do they just do they hide under the seat, 1:43:08.040 --> 1:43:09.960 think twitch a little bit, a little bit. 1:43:09.880 --> 1:43:13.479 Like I promise you it's a very pleasant but the 1:43:13.520 --> 1:43:15.680 police definitely not. 1:43:16.000 --> 1:43:17.680 Or cat and heat. I don't know what's going on 1:43:17.800 --> 1:43:18.120 over here. 1:43:18.720 --> 1:43:20.439 Honestly, that was not a bad impression. 1:43:20.439 --> 1:43:21.760 There's cats lining up at the door right now. They 1:43:21.800 --> 1:43:22.200 want to make you. 1:43:22.560 --> 1:43:26.720 I just looked, sure, I gotta get out of here. 1:43:26.880 --> 1:43:27.599 She looked at the door. 1:43:28.560 --> 1:43:29.839 That's just really lingering. 1:43:30.240 --> 1:43:34.960 I'm here now with a soup. I need soup taken. 1:43:35.040 --> 1:43:37.280 More calls that I By the way, those calls are entertaining. 1:43:37.439 --> 1:43:40.960 That's that that right there, spicy Ba Tomorrow Kate Chrishio 1:43:40.960 --> 1:43:42.799 one of two seven e bns to Snort report Wednesday 1:43:42.840 --> 1:43:45.599 mornings here on the home of the Best and Worst Bangles, 1:43:45.640 --> 1:43:48.840 Cagge seven hundred w w CINCI that