Speaker 1: I don't want to be an American idiot's plowy back
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WW.
Speaker 2: Blocks do in a city all? If anything, it's not boring.
Speaker 2: We have the police chief controversy. We have a contentious
Speaker 2: hearing yesterday on food trucks as somehow having a role
Speaker 2: in the violence downtown. You know, if you just have
Speaker 2: feeding people, then the violence goes away. Maybe there's something
Speaker 2: there with Snap. I don't know. She's council member Anna
Speaker 2: Olby on the show on seven hundred Wow, and she's
Speaker 2: in a very tight council racers. Three thousand people running
Speaker 2: for the handful of seats left, and it's going to
Speaker 2: be musical chairs in just a few days. For sure, Anna,
Speaker 2: welcome back. How are you?
Speaker 3: I thinks I appreciate it? And three thousand might be
Speaker 3: a little bit too high.
Speaker 2: On the feels like I'm bad at math I'm bad
Speaker 2: at the maths, but it feels like three. We'll just
Speaker 2: go three thousand. Let's start with this, the snap hearing.
Speaker 2: The commissioners did this yesterday. You were there, I saw
Speaker 2: you on camera. Wave to you. But any way back,
Speaker 2: that's fine. What is the city's role to help with
Speaker 2: the really? What can the city do if indeed, on Saturday,
Speaker 2: SNAP benefits go away for one in eight people in
Speaker 2: Handlin County, which is also Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for this. Let me just start by laying
Speaker 3: out the state of where we are. I don't know
Speaker 3: how many your listeners actually watched that, but the county
Speaker 3: shared yesterday some of the numbers. So across the county,
Speaker 3: we have over fifty three thousand adults and over forty
Speaker 3: three thousand children who are benefiting from SNAPS every month.
Speaker 3: So when we think about this Saturday, those benefits are
Speaker 3: not going to be available. And across the county that
Speaker 3: represents over nineteen million dollars of food assistant benefits, and
Speaker 3: I know for the city of Cincinnati that's over twenty
Speaker 3: nine thousand households. So this is a real crisis moment
Speaker 3: where families, according to the head of Freestore Food Bank,
Speaker 3: they get nine out of ten meals with their SNAP
Speaker 3: benefits and Freestore other local pantries only be one out
Speaker 3: of ten. Right, So we're about to lose funding for
Speaker 3: nine one ten meals for these these thousands. Is incredible people, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a true crisis.
Speaker 2: I had kurt rye Arond from free store on Monday Show,
Speaker 2: and he he's concerned. I mean, he couldn't really say,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you know, we don't we're going to do.
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, listen, you know we have some reserves.
Speaker 2: We're going to lean on the local communities and trying
Speaker 2: to get more out of our vendors. And also, uh,
Speaker 2: we may have to start instead of once a month,
Speaker 2: we have to do twice a month. So the demand's
Speaker 2: going to increase even more, putting in a ready strain.
Speaker 2: But and think about it heading to the holiday season here,
Speaker 2: with Thanksgiving and then Christmas coming up, the really busy
Speaker 2: time in the winter, when people are colder. Uh, people
Speaker 2: are cold and hungry. It's going to put a strain
Speaker 2: already on an overstrained system.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: I'm really really worried about what this means when families,
Speaker 3: you know, are looking at their budget and now they
Speaker 3: have to decide do we buy a meal or do
Speaker 3: we pay rent? Do we pay our utility bill? Right,
Speaker 3: this is going to make impossible, you know, impossible decisions.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know either.
Speaker 2: I wish I wish Washington would just go Look, Okay,
Speaker 2: we made our point let's let's end this thing and
Speaker 2: work towards compromise. But it's not about people. It's about politics,
Speaker 2: and that's what Washington, that's what politics has become. It's
Speaker 2: about protecting our party and our brand, whatever that is.
Speaker 3: I one hundred percent agreed. Right, Ultimately, this is a
Speaker 3: federal government problem, and we need the federal government to
Speaker 3: solve it. And so yesterday you heard it from the
Speaker 3: county commissioners, and I agree, we should have our wallmakers
Speaker 3: in Washington at the table talking about how do we
Speaker 3: come up with some type of emergencies to beat for snap.
Speaker 3: You know, they were able to dig up three hundred
Speaker 3: million dollars from care funds to help keep with going
Speaker 3: for a few more week weeks. Why can't they do
Speaker 3: something for snaps? But instead, we've got a president who's
Speaker 3: on an international tour right now, isn't even in the country,
Speaker 3: and we're going to have millions of people going hungry
Speaker 3: starting Saturday.
Speaker 2: So you need Congress to do that, right, I mean
Speaker 2: the point of you know, this is a debate outside
Speaker 2: our scope here in the city because you can't control
Speaker 2: subsidies and how things are handed out, and that's really
Speaker 2: part of the problem here, and I understand the stand
Speaker 2: that they're making with Republican and Democrats, but you know,
Speaker 2: now it's time to put the swords down and try
Speaker 2: to come to some common ground and solve this issue,
Speaker 2: because the problem is healthcare is way out of control.
Speaker 2: Whether you talk to Republican or Democrat, we all agree
Speaker 2: on that you just can't continue subsidizing. And Republicans don't
Speaker 2: really have a plan to fix healthcare. So there's our problems.
Speaker 2: And I'll be let's pivot a little bit here to
Speaker 2: the food truck hearing now when this happened. To bring
Speaker 2: those listening up to speed, if you're listening, okay, we'll
Speaker 2: refresh my memory on this one. I got lots to
Speaker 2: go to my mind, Sloan, I got you so August fifteenth,
Speaker 2: it was even earlier than that was, I think maybe
Speaker 2: September or later in that September. Anyway, there's a hearing
Speaker 2: about food trucks and basically, hey, you know where we
Speaker 2: had the hookah bars and hookah lounges or some food
Speaker 2: trucks around and the street violence and the food trucks
Speaker 2: are open late and these tend to get people congregating
Speaker 2: around it to eat and then violence breaks out, and
Speaker 2: so sure long and her wisdom said, you know what,
Speaker 2: We're just going to omnissue an edict that says, now
Speaker 2: we've got to shut the food trucks down at eleven PM,
Speaker 2: which I took a great issue with. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: they're there to feed people, you're there to police and
Speaker 2: keep the streets safe. So if I want to I
Speaker 2: don't know a hot I want to cheese cony or
Speaker 2: slice of pizza or a taco, where the hell it
Speaker 2: is at two o'clock in the morning, when the bars closed,
Speaker 2: I should be able to get that from a street
Speaker 2: vendor who's there legally. I'm there legally. Why are we
Speaker 2: shutting down and punishing good people?
Speaker 3: I agree? To be clear, I agree, and I think
Speaker 3: you know, I know you watched Yesterdy's committee meetings. So
Speaker 3: just to clarify again, the decision to change the closed
Speaker 3: time closing time to eleven PM was purely from this
Speaker 3: to the administration. Council was not asked or prepped about
Speaker 3: this ahead of time. So when it was announced, you know,
Speaker 3: I immediately caught up and was asking lots of questions,
Speaker 3: and I asked them again yesterday, what is the data
Speaker 3: showing that food trucks are specifically causing these issues. And honestly,
Speaker 3: yesterday I heard a lot of talk about people being
Speaker 3: maybe overserved, Right, they're too drunk and that's causing issues,
Speaker 3: and that's the separate issues. But food trucks are small businesses.
Speaker 3: And to your point, I think if someone is coming
Speaker 3: out of the bar at two in the morning, they
Speaker 3: should be able to get their taco before they had
Speaker 3: or their hamburger whatever like that. And we want the
Speaker 3: city to be a fun place to hang out, right,
Speaker 3: we want the city to have a lively nightlife, and
Speaker 3: food trucks and people being out and being able to
Speaker 3: get a bite to eat is part of that vibrancy
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think Mordecai Black would have not murdered
Speaker 2: Patrick Herringer if he was able to get a cheese
Speaker 2: coney instead. That's just the dumbest logic I've ever heard.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to get into that part, but
Speaker 3: I mean, in terms of how we're going to handle
Speaker 3: this food truck regulations, I think there's two parts of this, right.
Speaker 3: There's one part of what is the data showing that
Speaker 3: food trucks are the issue here. The other part is
Speaker 3: what is the impact economically on these small businesses?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: And I was really disappointed to hear that the city
Speaker 3: administration had yet to even talk with the food truck
Speaker 3: administrations or any of the food trucks or even the
Speaker 3: small business owners the bars, right. And Vice Mayor Kearney
Speaker 3: brought up yesterday that she talked to some of the
Speaker 3: bars and they were like, yeah, we love having these
Speaker 3: food trucks here. We don't have a kitchen or the
Speaker 3: kitchen isn't open, you know, and closing, right so letting
Speaker 3: patrons come out and grab a pipe to eat is
Speaker 3: something that you know, the bars themselves appreciate and you
Speaker 3: have to think about. I have to assume these food
Speaker 3: trucks have most of their get most of their revenue
Speaker 3: at those late night hours to right, So closing at
Speaker 3: eleven PM just seems crazy to me. And then not
Speaker 3: be able to come yesterday prepared with the data to
Speaker 3: show us that there's a direct cause and effect between
Speaker 3: food truck hours and some of these incidents that they're reporting.
Speaker 3: I just I was very frustrated about and hopefully in
Speaker 3: two weeks when we come back to this that the
Speaker 3: administration will be better prepared to make the case she made.
Speaker 2: This isn't sure along correct, this is all on her.
Speaker 3: This is a city administration working. I mean, I know
Speaker 3: synthetic police was also part of part of the decision making,
Speaker 3: or at least based on kind of reports that officers
Speaker 3: were making.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how does a curfew impact then?
Speaker 3: Great question because I see I do see this as
Speaker 3: kind of thing you mentioned houkah bars, Right, So if
Speaker 3: we're implementing a curfew, we're saying, you know, closing down
Speaker 3: hookah bars, which I agree with. By the way, we
Speaker 3: were seeing real issues with hookah bars specifically, and hookah
Speaker 3: bars sell into a weird loophole at the state level
Speaker 3: when it came to regulation. So it's good that we
Speaker 3: took care of that.
Speaker 2: So if we have.
Speaker 3: Curfew hookah bars, now we're closing food trucks right back
Speaker 3: to that vibrant feed downtown, right. We don't want downtown
Speaker 3: to be a ghost town every Friday and Saturday night.
Speaker 3: So I do think there is a real question to
Speaker 3: be had of like what do we imagine a fun
Speaker 3: downtown space to look like? How do we help support
Speaker 3: those businesses? Right, We've got too many restaurants going out
Speaker 3: of business. So how can we help them? How can
Speaker 3: we help the bar stand business? And if we just
Speaker 3: start shutting everything down, it's going to make it really
Speaker 3: hard on our business owner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I appreciate the work the hustle here.
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, listen, you know, it's really expensive to
Speaker 2: keep a brick and mortar going. We see restaurants closing
Speaker 2: opening all the time. If I just took my wares
Speaker 2: and put it in a food truck, now I could
Speaker 2: sell maybe a few things from my menu or you
Speaker 2: know some long those are maybe I just specialized in
Speaker 2: doing some really good food. I can get the wheels,
Speaker 2: I get the kitchen, I get the health permit, fire inspection.
Speaker 2: You get all that done, and then I turn around,
Speaker 2: and now the city goes, well, now you got to
Speaker 2: close at eleven. Well, you know, I would imagine from
Speaker 2: eleven to two or three am, that's you're probably making
Speaker 2: a lot of money as the bars closed, as the
Speaker 2: club's let out, or there's an event downtown, a ball game,
Speaker 2: a concert, whatever it might be. That that's where you're
Speaker 2: making your bank. And we're shutting that down. Why because
Speaker 2: we can't control violence. It's a separate issue.
Speaker 3: I think these are separate issues exactly, And that's why
Speaker 3: I was really pushing on the city administration, our captain
Speaker 3: and our assistancity manager yesterday. I'm like, show me the data,
Speaker 3: show me the relationships here. You know, I can appreciate
Speaker 3: that big crowdsed dunk people can be unruly. But again,
Speaker 3: if the problem is that people are being over served
Speaker 3: in the bars so they're blackout drunks, you know, causing issues,
Speaker 3: well let's go deal with that problem, right, That is
Speaker 3: a separate issue than to be a small business trying
Speaker 3: to feed some people late night through food truck.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But but here's the thing. Well, you know we're
Speaker 2: over served, people are drinks, they're having drinks. Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: Then why do we have street festivals? Why why do
Speaker 2: we have Taste of Cincinnati, Why do we have Octoberfest?
Speaker 2: Why do we all these things downtown that serve alcohol
Speaker 2: where people are getting served and then turn around it's
Speaker 2: again the argument doesn't stand. It is because the city
Speaker 2: endorses all this stuff. The city endorses those events. I
Speaker 2: don't see how this is any different other than that's
Speaker 2: a you know, probably a Thursday, Friday, Saturday night thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, there was some discussion to as
Speaker 3: the administration talks through this around like the idea of
Speaker 3: the food trucks on a normal day, right, separate successivals
Speaker 3: can be in any place they're popping up their logic
Speaker 3: park wherever. Okay, great, you know I asked questions around Okay,
Speaker 3: have we thought about designating specific spots? Have we thought
Speaker 3: about how that could work with hermiting?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: I almost every city in the nation probably has had
Speaker 3: food trucks, right, this is not a unique cocaty thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all over the world. You know, you travel abroader
Speaker 2: like they've got food trucks at three or four in
Speaker 2: the morning and there are people out there taking a
Speaker 2: machine gun out and spraying people.
Speaker 3: It's not happening exactly, And especially as I know Cincinnati is.
Speaker 3: We can look to other cities and say, oh, what
Speaker 3: are the regulations that they're using with food trucks to
Speaker 3: be able to make sure that things aren't getting out
Speaker 3: of control. So that again with some of the pushback
Speaker 3: I was adding to administration yesterday, which was, hey, there
Speaker 3: are other solutions and options here if there are you know,
Speaker 3: XYZ issues, Why didn't we do any research into how
Speaker 3: other cities that's restless. And the other thing I was
Speaker 3: really shocked by yesterday is in the presentation. So this
Speaker 3: I think the food truck rule was changed in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three. They said they had no issues in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, no issues, in twenty twenty four, got through
Speaker 3: half of twenty twenty five, or at least the first
Speaker 3: part twenty twenty five no issues, and then it was
Speaker 3: just this summer where they saw some issues. So I
Speaker 3: tried to act sking Okay, what caused that? You know,
Speaker 3: what type of problem solving did we do? And I
Speaker 3: just think ultimately we took an administration took a big
Speaker 3: swing here without really doing some of the leg work
Speaker 3: to look at what's actually happened here, what are the
Speaker 3: problems we need to solve, versus punishing businesses that aren't
Speaker 3: doing anything wrong.
Speaker 2: Well, you're being very polite, council Member Albe, and that's saying, well,
Speaker 2: they took a big swing here. No, it's incompetence, is
Speaker 2: what it is. I mean, you're looking for all these
Speaker 2: straw men to blame the violence problems on, saying well
Speaker 2: it's this, it's that's all these little It's not it's
Speaker 2: it's a lack of leadership within the administration on that point,
Speaker 2: whether it's this with the food trucks, or the way
Speaker 2: the Harringer homicide was handled, or the street violence, the
Speaker 2: beatdown where the you know, the person is charged later
Speaker 2: and it was completely racially motivated. This whole thing is,
Speaker 2: to me an indictment on the same administration. Do you
Speaker 2: think it's time for new leadership specifically? And now we'll
Speaker 2: see what the mayor ll race. I think Gaftab's gonna
Speaker 2: win reelection, but is sure along the right person for
Speaker 2: the US job.
Speaker 3: Here's what I can say. I know the administration over
Speaker 3: the summer is being really responsive to issues that we saw,
Speaker 3: and there were issues, let's be clear, you know, and
Speaker 3: I can respect them. I know they're even with this.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go back to this food trucks and such.
Speaker 3: What we've been digging in on, you know, this food
Speaker 3: truck policy is my understanding, was really in response to
Speaker 3: some of what they were hearing from our officers, the
Speaker 3: officers saying there are the hot these hot spots. You know,
Speaker 3: we think that food trucks are creating the hot spots
Speaker 3: because people are gathering here and I want to respect
Speaker 3: the fact that that's our officers coming back and getting
Speaker 3: that feedback. But to me, there just needs to be
Speaker 3: a little bit more like work on Okay, what are
Speaker 3: the specific incidents, how many are there? Is it one
Speaker 3: specific truck that's causing the issue? Is it one specific block, right,
Speaker 3: and trying to do a little bit more problem solving
Speaker 3: that specific to either that truck or that's that specific
Speaker 3: spot versus again this wide uh you know, eleven PM
Speaker 3: caught off that that impacts all these trucks that aren't
Speaker 3: doing anything wrong. So again I want to be responsive
Speaker 3: to to problem solving and understanding what our officers are
Speaker 3: seeing on on our streets and doing all that. But
Speaker 3: we got to look at the data and we've kind
Speaker 3: of look at you know, what are the specific exes
Speaker 3: that solve for this problem versus punishing small businesses that
Speaker 3: are doing the right thing.
Speaker 2: And this is all these of course of the termination
Speaker 2: of Chief Teresa Thijia. I mean, when you have a
Speaker 2: when you have an administration that and let's go back
Speaker 2: to when thiji was hired three years ago. I was
Speaker 2: looking at her comments following her being sworn in and said, no,
Speaker 2: this is we're gonna we got to look at diversity,
Speaker 2: equity and inclusion. We've got to continue the path we're
Speaker 2: on right now with the community and make sure we're
Speaker 2: engaging with people on the street. And Okay, I get
Speaker 2: that at the time. Now you've got the food truck thing,
Speaker 2: You've got the curfews that looked like they didn't work
Speaker 2: because the people are you know, they're still young people
Speaker 2: out there doing what they do. You're empowering activists like
Speaker 2: Iris Raley where she's interfering with police work. So we've
Speaker 2: had a track record now and a bad policy decision saying,
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna treat criminals like victims and we're
Speaker 2: gonna give them a slap on the wrist when they
Speaker 2: get to court, and we're gonna let them out with
Speaker 2: a two dollars bond, or we're gonna give them an
Speaker 2: o R and they're gonna go out and get a
Speaker 2: gun and shoot someone or cut their ankle, monor off.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna take this seriously. The mayor refuses to
Speaker 2: lean on judges. You have these policies coming down from
Speaker 2: people like shil Long and then you turn around and
Speaker 2: fire Thiji. To me, that's like the food truck thing
Speaker 2: all over again. You're blaming the wrong person. It's the
Speaker 2: policies and how you handle things in the series and
Speaker 2: of how you take crime and how you hold people
Speaker 2: accountable as opposed to all this other stuff out there
Speaker 2: in the ether. And I think and all, but it's
Speaker 2: gonna it hurts people like you because I mean, let's
Speaker 2: face it, I mentioned three thousand people running for council seats.
Speaker 2: You're one of the people could be displaced by this.
Speaker 2: The voters are not gonna blame AFTAP, They're gonna blame
Speaker 2: someone like you.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm definitely out there talking to our voters, and
Speaker 3: I'll be honest. You know, I was in a community
Speaker 3: council meeting at Price Hill and to kind of that
Speaker 3: was a lot. You just threw out one of the
Speaker 3: things that the person, uh, you know, stood up and
Speaker 3: they have some questions, but they still up and they said,
Speaker 3: you know, Cincinnati has the best police force in the nation.
Speaker 3: And I agree, right, But I think a key part
Speaker 3: of that is the fact that we have the collaborative
Speaker 3: agreement that we as a city did the work in
Speaker 3: the early two thousands to make sure our police force
Speaker 3: is the best in the nation. We do work with
Speaker 3: community and across right this is the collaboration stick ty
Speaker 3: word there. Right, no one person alone can fix anything,
Speaker 3: right there. These are big things and so having that
Speaker 3: collaboration across lawmakers, police force, and the community is a
Speaker 3: really important part to how we function as a city
Speaker 3: and how we keep everyone safe. So, you know, those
Speaker 3: are values that I.
Speaker 2: Uphold, and I also I think Anna, my point is
Speaker 2: those things can exist, they can coexist, and that's fine.
Speaker 2: You know, we shouldn't be beating down on people who
Speaker 2: are What I'm saying is is like we we look
Speaker 2: at criminals now and treat them as victims as well.
Speaker 2: And that's part of the problem. There's people that look
Speaker 2: at the way policing has changed and the collaborative Agreement
Speaker 2: and the IRIS Raleigh Paul, these policies, hands off policies,
Speaker 2: and there's people to go ow, I respect that. You know,
Speaker 2: the police are great, They're keeping my neighborhood safe. And
Speaker 2: what winds up happening is there's the small percentage of
Speaker 2: criminals of sociopaths out there that are exploiting that and
Speaker 2: we refuse to treat them like the criminal, repetitive criminal
Speaker 2: element that they are. We're looking at reasons to why
Speaker 2: we need to release them rather than reasons we lock
Speaker 2: them up. And you know who that hurts the same people.
Speaker 2: These policies are.
Speaker 7: That to protect.
Speaker 3: You know what I think about what a safe community
Speaker 3: looks like. I always say a safe community is one
Speaker 3: where people are being paid enough to bard a roof
Speaker 3: of their head, fresh food and table, access to healthcare,
Speaker 3: and where kids have safe spaces. Right, And we can
Speaker 3: get all of that right, I think we've done a
Speaker 3: pretty good job. So when I as a lawmaker look
Speaker 3: at what can we do to strengthen our community, it's
Speaker 3: it's a guest and pollution where we're doing all of
Speaker 3: those right. How do we help people get good paying jobs,
Speaker 3: How do we build more housing so there's more housing
Speaker 3: options out there, How do we help people get access
Speaker 3: to healthcare? And you know we just talked about SNAP
Speaker 3: and food. I am very, very worried about what SNAP
Speaker 3: not being issued on this Saturday. What that is going
Speaker 3: to do to our residents? Like we talked about people
Speaker 3: are going to be desperate? What does that mean? So
Speaker 3: whatever we can do to help stabilize families right and
Speaker 3: meet people's basic needs community that's ultimately what's going to
Speaker 3: make for a safer community.
Speaker 2: A council member, I'll be I wish you all the
Speaker 2: best between now an election day, I really do, and
Speaker 2: we'll pick up the pieces, as we say, probably sometime
Speaker 2: after the election. But I always appreciate the time and
Speaker 2: your thoughtfulness. Thanks for jumping on this morn.
Speaker 3: Thanks much, take care, good.
Speaker 2: Luck, all the best. Scott Sloan Show with news in
Speaker 2: just minutes on seven hundred WLW. Scott's Sloan Show here
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WW. Welcome to got lots going on
Speaker 2: in this wet Wednesday morning, but week's half over. It's
Speaker 2: all good. Thanks again to council member. And I'll be
Speaker 2: on the show a few minutes ago. So I know
Speaker 2: she's a she's seeking office, and she's a Democrat, but
Speaker 2: seeing some common ground here, I mean, first and foremost,
Speaker 2: I don't care a Democrat Republican. The government shutdown right
Speaker 2: now is nonsense. And you know the idea as well,
Speaker 2: if we could just get the Democrats to admit they're wrong.
Speaker 2: When the Democrats are going, if we could just get
Speaker 2: the Republicans to admit they're wrong, what we need to
Speaker 2: do is force them Tom, they're both wrong. Is that
Speaker 2: you sit down. He made your point, Now figure it out,
Speaker 2: fix it, And I get it. We know we're just
Speaker 2: subsidizing stuff, and the Democrat existence is to subsidize it.
Speaker 2: We got to subsidize. We've got a subsett we need
Speaker 2: more subsidy, which means what it means you're still spending
Speaker 2: well even more money on things in order to make
Speaker 2: it affordable for people. So basically, like the Democrats are
Speaker 2: about giving up coupons, it's a coupon, it's a voucher.
Speaker 2: Got a coupon. Well, it's a coupon. Well, I need
Speaker 2: food or healthcare. It's this much. But here's a coupon
Speaker 2: for eighty percent off fifty percent. Great, But who's paying
Speaker 2: for that? Well, we all are. So we're just borrowing
Speaker 2: more money we don't have. We have a thirty eight
Speaker 2: trillion dollar deficit, and there's complicity there. The other side
Speaker 2: of it is, and I've yet to hear an argument
Speaker 2: from Republicans, is the how you fix healthcare? Because we
Speaker 2: are in benefit season right now, it's time to make
Speaker 2: those tough decisions. See how much more you're going to
Speaker 2: cause it's going to come out of your check for
Speaker 2: how less coverage you're going to wind up doing. And
Speaker 2: it's not because you know your evil corporate overlords want
Speaker 2: it that way. It's the way the system it's jacked up.
Speaker 2: You know, if we don't like a THEACA, if we
Speaker 2: don't like affordable care, if a legal of subsidy, you
Speaker 2: have the power controlling both sides, both the House and
Speaker 2: the Senate and the Presidency, to be able to maybe
Speaker 2: implement something to fix it. So give me a plan.
Speaker 2: Say what you all about subsidies, which I hate, but
Speaker 2: it does something for people. If it's broken, it doesn't work,
Speaker 2: and subsidies are terrible, then then come up with a
Speaker 2: way to fix the healthcare system. And yet what do
Speaker 2: we do we have My side is right, your side
Speaker 2: is wrong. We have a government that is not functioning.
Speaker 2: We have a Congress that can't pass a budget. They
Speaker 2: have one job. And in my lifetime now there have
Speaker 2: been two times where we've balanced the budget. We haven't
Speaker 2: been able to do that. The other three thousand years
Speaker 2: I've been alive. Not good, not good. To blame. Well,
Speaker 2: Trump's out in the dead in another country, and it's
Speaker 2: not on Trump, it's on Congress. Now, can he say
Speaker 2: something that maybe encourage Yeah, I guess, but again that's
Speaker 2: you're not understanding. The most basic sense of government is
Speaker 2: it is the United States Congress, and when they don't
Speaker 2: do stuff, then what happens is we give all the
Speaker 2: power to the president, either Biden or in this case Trump,
Speaker 2: and he uses his pen and executive power to write
Speaker 2: an executive order when Congress should be doing this stuff. Okay,
Speaker 2: I get it. You made your point. Time to probably
Speaker 2: pass another continuing resolution, kick the can down the road
Speaker 2: for another and shut it down in seven weeks we'll
Speaker 2: have this conversation again. It's exhausting, is what it is.
Speaker 2: Relative to Anna Albey, And I think it's interesting now
Speaker 2: we have more evidence here of the incompetence of sheer
Speaker 2: Along in particular. And I would say, after Tod pure
Speaker 2: vol put them in the same boat. And if I'm
Speaker 2: a if are in council right now, like I don't,
Speaker 2: I'll be I would not be as genteel as she was,
Speaker 2: uh and worried about party politics and kissing the ring
Speaker 2: and everything else, because after to have puervoal is going
Speaker 2: to cost somebody their seat. Now he's going to wind
Speaker 2: up getting re elected. Could I be wrong, absolutely been
Speaker 2: wrong before. But if you look at the fundraising, if
Speaker 2: you look at the power of the incumbency and everything else,
Speaker 2: and it's not an insult of all the Corey Bowman,
Speaker 2: then Corey's a great guy. He's got some decent ideas.
Speaker 2: But being a pastor who is related to JD. Vance
Speaker 2: in deep, deep blue Cincinnati is not good. There's baggage already.
Speaker 2: People are going to pay attention, people are just going
Speaker 2: to tune them out instantly, and so by default I
Speaker 2: have to have wins. Could I be wrong? Could we
Speaker 2: have the huge upset? Sure one hundred percent. Is it possible,
Speaker 2: But it's unlikely. I think what's more likely are how
Speaker 2: voters respond relative to the city council. It feels like,
Speaker 2: you know, I can't change that with AFTAB, but I
Speaker 2: sure as hell can change the makeup of counsel, and
Speaker 2: probably for the better. So I don't understand if you
Speaker 2: are one of these folks, and maybe it's for office
Speaker 2: later on down the line, or another appointment or something
Speaker 2: like that, if you kiss the ring, you get that.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's part of politics, I guess is if you
Speaker 2: are the good soldier, you'll get rewarded. Somewhere along the line.
Speaker 2: But in the short term, you're out of a job.
Speaker 2: I just think voters are pissed off enough to start
Speaker 2: holding people accountable. If it can't be Aftab, maybe it's
Speaker 2: someone else on counsel. That's unfortunate, because I think we've
Speaker 2: got some good and a few people that maybe not
Speaker 2: so good on counsel will probably have to go anyway.
Speaker 2: But nonetheless, we have this new story out yesterday and
Speaker 2: the choir regarding what transpired right before share Long fired
Speaker 2: chief Thiji. No, she's not fired, she's just done paid
Speaker 2: administrative leave. Okay. Well, you named an interim superintendent in
Speaker 2: Adam Haney. Okay, So if you name someone in interim
Speaker 2: head coach, that means you're waiting for the next head
Speaker 2: coach to come along. If you're acting head coach, you're
Speaker 2: waiting for the person who's the coach to come back
Speaker 2: or get better or whatever it is the reason they
Speaker 2: took leave in the first place. So right away, you're
Speaker 2: telling me that she's fired, even without saying she's fired.
Speaker 2: So this email comes out on August fifteenth, I'm sure
Speaker 2: along to Thiji, and it mandated that all communications external
Speaker 2: meetings announcements have to be clear through the city manager's
Speaker 2: office because she needs to save face because it's a
Speaker 2: bad look. You caught me off guard when you said
Speaker 2: you want to be on a task force to the
Speaker 2: Hamlin County Police Chiefs Association and Tim Holloway to address
Speaker 2: the revolving justice system, because the problem here, one of
Speaker 2: the problems is the justice system. We know how drunk
Speaker 2: and broke it is, where we have judges that are
Speaker 2: taking people with very serious charges against them and giving
Speaker 2: them better for the doubt that they they're going to
Speaker 2: show back up to court, that they're going to go
Speaker 2: talk to their probation officer and get a job and
Speaker 2: all these things, and then they turn around and pick
Speaker 2: up a gun that's probably the almost the same gun
Speaker 2: that they got in trouble with in the first place,
Speaker 2: and go on commit even worse crimes. And we have
Speaker 2: a steady drum beat of that for a long time,
Speaker 2: but especially this summer. That is a reasonable thing for
Speaker 2: a chief to do to go, hey, listen, my men
Speaker 2: and women that didn't move line. The officers of the
Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati, Hamlin County Sheriff's Department. We got a
Speaker 2: problem here because we're catching people, we're apprehending them, we're
Speaker 2: giving you the charges. Prosecuted does what they do, and
Speaker 2: the judge simply says, well, these are just these are criminals,
Speaker 2: but they're victims too, when we have to treat them
Speaker 2: like they're victims, which is the mentality I think from
Speaker 2: progressives largely, whether it's in the bench or whether it's
Speaker 2: the city manager and the mayor of the city of Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: and so again, more worried about optics, more worried about
Speaker 2: being caught off guard, and more worried about how things
Speaker 2: look the perception is, rather than your safety. You know,
Speaker 2: we're more worried about how we look to the wrestler. Well,
Speaker 2: when that video splashed with it beat down in July,
Speaker 2: the hell we look to the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: I was halfway around the rest of the world in
Speaker 2: Australia and that was on the news. I turned on
Speaker 2: the TV. Michelle's getting ready, We're gonna go to dinner,
Speaker 2: last few days of our trip, our bucket list trip,
Speaker 2: and I'm watching this violence. I'm looking at it going on.
Speaker 2: It looks horrible. I wonder if that's Chicago or is
Speaker 2: it La Is it Nope? Is a point, it's got
Speaker 2: to be Portland that looks like Nope, Cincinnati, Ohio, Holy crap,
Speaker 2: Holy crap. Here we go. So the optics are, you're
Speaker 2: not doing your job and that's the problem. Wh You're
Speaker 2: all worried about how things look. You're not focused on
Speaker 2: the important stuff. So she goes at THEIJI and says,
Speaker 2: there's some challenges messaging. It can cause in confusion, and
Speaker 2: we got to be united on safety and messaging. And
Speaker 2: now we just hired Frost Brown Todd at what forty
Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars to come up with reasons why we
Speaker 2: fired Chief Thiji after we fired her is to justify
Speaker 2: that behavior. And it may take months. It's going to
Speaker 2: take well after the election, that's for sure. Maybe by
Speaker 2: the first of the year we'll have an answer on
Speaker 2: this thing. About the same time we'll have and answer
Speaker 2: as to what the hell happened in July twenty six
Speaker 2: with the street beatdown. No word about that either, by
Speaker 2: the way normally stuff comes out, there's no we're not
Speaker 2: hearing a word about that because there's an election to
Speaker 2: be one, damn it. Nonetheless, it doesn't this undermine the
Speaker 2: money that you're spending already with this law firm. One
Speaker 2: may ask, because what you're trying to do is come
Speaker 2: up to the reason why you fire Chief Thigi. And
Speaker 2: Chief Thigi says, well, listen, there's nothing in my jacket.
Speaker 2: I've been here thirty five, thirty six years. There's just
Speaker 2: a significant You have no cause to fire me. You
Speaker 2: don't need cause with a contract, but there's no cause.
Speaker 6: There.
Speaker 2: Give me a reason why my incompetence. I did something wrong.
Speaker 2: I was stealing money, I was paying an officers, I
Speaker 2: was doing something illegal. If not, I'm doing something that
Speaker 2: is against my code of conduct. Here, I'm not doing
Speaker 2: There's more I could be doing relative to policing. What
Speaker 2: is that woman not doing is a question. And the
Speaker 2: new of the interim chief how much different is he
Speaker 2: than Thiji? And the idea here is well, we've got
Speaker 2: to separate Chief Thegi's behavior of our policies. We've got
Speaker 2: to look for the behavior of Chiefdiji to justify firing her,
Speaker 2: and that's what we're looking for here. Well, this doesn't
Speaker 2: help that case, does it, Because now if this memo
Speaker 2: comes out, if this leak's ount and City ser Long
Speaker 2: is saying, well, listen, we got to rein you in,
Speaker 2: you're going off the reservation. Now we've got to control
Speaker 2: all your communications and meetings and announcement. It's got to
Speaker 2: be cleared through my office. Not not like, hey, let
Speaker 2: me know it's gone to but cleared. I have to
Speaker 2: approve who you're meeting with, who you're talking to, what
Speaker 2: you're thinking, and what you're about to say. Doesn't that
Speaker 2: look to you like the chief or any chief or
Speaker 2: any administrative leader in our city doesn't have autonomy that
Speaker 2: the mayor and the city manager under the mayor are
Speaker 2: dictating policy. Doesn't that undermine that money that you, the taxpayers,
Speaker 2: are spending on this law firm to find out reasons
Speaker 2: why we're looking for something anything to blame Terry Thigi
Speaker 2: for to justify her dismissal. And then you come out
Speaker 2: in this and I think this helps Terry Thief a lot,
Speaker 2: and I think there's a reason why this this was
Speaker 2: leaked out. But nonetheless, Long said, any outreach or contact
Speaker 2: with elected officials must go through the city director's Government
Speaker 2: Affairs office. So she can't talk, she can't think, she
Speaker 2: can't do it. She has no autonomy to kind of,
Speaker 2: you know, press some levers and make some noise in
Speaker 2: order to police the way she sees fit. That totally
Speaker 2: underminds that argument, I think. So she's on administrative leave.
Speaker 2: And then the other thing that comes out of this email,
Speaker 2: which I think is really funny, and Willie, you'll probably
Speaker 2: be talking more. As the timeline with this is, we
Speaker 2: get the Fountain Square shooting downtown on October thirteenth, and
Speaker 2: there's growing public concerns, as you know, to everything from
Speaker 2: Patrick Hairringer to the viral fight and everything else. So
Speaker 2: two days later, after the Fountain Square thing, she leaves
Speaker 2: for Denver, or maybe the night before she left for Denver,
Speaker 2: Terry Thiji for this conference. So two days past at
Speaker 2: nine twenty six am, Fiji emails sheer Along and the
Speaker 2: HR director about payroll issue. She mentions in the communication
Speaker 2: it's her thirty sixth anniversary with the city and said
Speaker 2: I can't stay forever here forever, so I just want
Speaker 2: to plan. No one knows what that means, and so
Speaker 2: Long and the HR director say, well, we'll meet about
Speaker 2: this particular staffing issue. Payroll describe maybe it's her payroll,
Speaker 2: I don't know whatever. That's in the morning. By the afternoon, sure,
Speaker 2: Long texts Terry Thiji, who's at this police conference in Denver,
Speaker 2: saying call me, call me at one seventeen, call me.
Speaker 2: Terry's in a car on a way the conference's got
Speaker 2: another chiefs in the vehicle and says, well, can I
Speaker 2: wait till I get back to the hotel, And didn't
Speaker 2: get a response other than maybe no. But at that
Speaker 2: point she also, I'm guessing she realized what's going on.
Speaker 2: She got a statement from the Reds praising her for
Speaker 2: her work and trying to fight crime downtown and sends
Speaker 2: that to share a long and about this time here
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WWT, it's the afternoon, Willie is on
Speaker 2: at about one o'clock in the afternoon, and how fast
Speaker 2: world travels is evidence in this too. Is about the
Speaker 2: time that Sharon Long is about to call Terry Thigi
Speaker 2: back and write her question. She'd come back from Denver.
Speaker 2: The word has already gotten out that Terry Thigi is
Speaker 2: coming back to be fired. Remember that happened? Is like
Speaker 2: they've called the chief back. She needs to get back
Speaker 2: as an urgent concern. Fiji then mentions back to shar
Speaker 2: Long because she's in Denver. She said, well, I much
Speaker 2: have mentioned like I don't know, are you hearing anything
Speaker 2: out there? She said, I hadn't gotten any calls. Maybe
Speaker 2: WLW being typical dramatic, is what Terry Thigi said. And
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that as a reaction to us here on
Speaker 2: this radio station, particularly Bill Cunningham talking about what's happening
Speaker 2: with Terry Thigi, Like the words already spreading because Terry knew,
Speaker 2: and if Terry knew, other people who know, because she's
Speaker 2: probably gonna maybe talk to some people about and say,
Speaker 2: they're calling me back from Denver, what the hell's going
Speaker 2: on in the city. I think that's a reasonable thing,
Speaker 2: like what happened. Now, it's been two days since the
Speaker 2: Fountain Square shooting. We have something else going on. I
Speaker 2: got to come back. What's happening? And someone said, no,
Speaker 2: there's nothing going on there, just summoning you back, which
Speaker 2: then would indicate you're about to get fired. You don't
Speaker 2: call someone back in for no reason whatsoever. Going well,
Speaker 2: we've got some man, we've got some leadership things we
Speaker 2: got to talk about. But I'm at a conference. I
Speaker 2: can't wait. No, you need to come back right now. So,
Speaker 2: of course word travels fast, and the word gets out
Speaker 2: that and you Willie was right, we're not being dramatic.
Speaker 2: You got fired. And then there's some other tacks saying,
Speaker 2: in light of the recent high profile incident and heighten
Speaker 2: public attention surrounding it, we need you back in town
Speaker 2: in the earliest flight you can catch, please call me,
Speaker 2: which sounds very pre in light of the recent higher
Speaker 2: profile incident, heightened public attention surrounding and we need you
Speaker 2: back in town because she hadlready made that decision to
Speaker 2: let her go. I mean heightened public attention. We're kind
Speaker 2: of at peak on Monday. Okay, that happened on the weekend,
Speaker 2: and two days by two days, okay, we settled the nan.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, there's heightened public attention to the fountains
Speaker 2: Grose shooting, for sure, But why would you call her
Speaker 2: back from Denver. There's nothing you can do about what
Speaker 2: happened forty eight hours earlier. There's nothing unless you had
Speaker 2: some information about some sort of I don't know, planned
Speaker 2: attack or planned criminal activity. There's no reason for her
Speaker 2: to do that. And that was like the end of
Speaker 2: the conversation. And then she came back and then by
Speaker 2: the twentieth on the twenties, so that was five days
Speaker 2: after that is when the City and tear and UH
Speaker 2: and Share Along places Stigi on administratively paid administrative pending
Speaker 2: internal investigation and the effectiveness of her leadership. And of
Speaker 2: course she's lawyered up. She's a political scapegoat. I believe
Speaker 2: that to be true. I agree with Steve m on this.
Speaker 2: But the whole thing is the fact that this indicates
Speaker 2: to me that most certainly share along and most certainly
Speaker 2: have to puival dictate the policy. You're now hired a
Speaker 2: law firm to prove the exact opposite. Terry. Theg is like, look,
Speaker 2: you're the piper. You call the tune. If you're worried
Speaker 2: about DEEI, if you're at about treating our criminals like victims,
Speaker 2: that's the game you want to play with your administration.
Speaker 2: That's how you were on the city. I take my
Speaker 2: orders from you, Okay, I'll fall in line and make
Speaker 2: sure the troops fall along. And to that degree, I
Speaker 2: think that's why she had a rift with maybe some
Speaker 2: of the beat cops, and she was not really loved
Speaker 2: all that much by the beat cops. It was kind
Speaker 2: of a love hate situation. I guess from what I understand.
Speaker 2: And you know, if you're a boss, you're not going
Speaker 2: to keep everybody happy, especially if you're the chief of
Speaker 2: police and you have a police union. And I get that,
Speaker 2: but I also think that if you're going to take
Speaker 2: that job, they're going to tell you what to do
Speaker 2: and how to do it, and you're just going to
Speaker 2: kind of follow it. And you know what, you're blaming
Speaker 2: Terry Thiji for your bad policies. You made bad policy decisions.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you took some I don't know, some
Speaker 2: study from Harvard or some sort of nutty professor that
Speaker 2: told you the way to keep the peace is to
Speaker 2: simply appease the criminals rather than lock them up and
Speaker 2: be strong about it. You know, we're gonna empty the jails,
Speaker 2: we're gonna have no bond, we're gonna have a war.
Speaker 2: And now a percentage of the population takes advantage of
Speaker 2: that because that's what they do, not all of it,
Speaker 2: but a small percentage of the criminal And this is
Speaker 2: what you wind up getting. And so that's not the
Speaker 2: fault of Cary Thig. That is the fault of failed
Speaker 2: leadership above Terry Thig, and she's paying the price. Very
Speaker 2: interesting though, it sounds to me like the mayor's office
Speaker 2: and sherlong dictate how Terry Thigi should perform her job.
Speaker 2: I mean, controlling the what she's saying or thinking sounds
Speaker 2: to me like they're underminding the whole investigation. They desired
Speaker 2: a big law for them to do, and it just
Speaker 2: gets crazier every day, really does. We'll get a time
Speaker 2: out and we've got news in just about four minutes
Speaker 2: here on seven hundred WW when we return County Commissioner
Speaker 2: at Lisha Reese on this show, can the county help
Speaker 2: plug the looming snap gap that's about to hit on Saturday?
Speaker 2: We'll get into that and much more just ahead when
Speaker 2: the Scott's Loan Show continues after this on seven hundred WW.
Speaker 7: You want to be an American idiot?
Speaker 2: Scott blown back on seven hundred WWS. So we have
Speaker 2: a coalition about half of the United States, the United
Speaker 2: States and District of Columbia are suing the Trump administration
Speaker 2: over the suspension of food staff benefits. With the government
Speaker 2: shutdown happening right now so here in Ohio, we can't
Speaker 2: control DC. But now we're going, all right, what about Snap?
Speaker 2: What about TAMP? What about Wick? What about that money
Speaker 2: if we don't get federal funds. Is looking that way
Speaker 2: as we get closer to Saturday. Locally, Governor Dewin said
Speaker 2: he's studying options involving state money. I had a council
Speaker 2: member all be on earlier this morning and she said
Speaker 2: the city's looking at this too, And the county held
Speaker 2: they hearing yesterday where Alicia Reese was a holding court
Speaker 2: as she usually does. Commissioner Reese welcome, how are you?
Speaker 1: Oh, I've had better days. I'll tell you that, better days.
Speaker 2: I bet this is tough, unbelievable. Yeah, we got so
Speaker 2: to bring people up to speed on this. To bring
Speaker 2: up to speed, one point four million Ohioans reliance SNAP
Speaker 2: benefits and about forty three thousand kids, so roughly one
Speaker 2: in eight folks who live in Hamlin County are getting
Speaker 2: some form of SNAP benefits. Every month in Hamlin County,
Speaker 2: SNAP pays out nineteen million dollars. I said, nineteen million
Speaker 2: a month. With your budget and even the city's budget,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you overcome that, Alicia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is you look at it. We
Speaker 1: can overcome it. I mean we're talking to almost two
Speaker 1: hundred and forty million a year, and we're looking at
Speaker 1: ninety seven thousand of those people, like you said, right
Speaker 1: here in Hambleton County, and you know they yesterday the
Speaker 1: Director of Jobs to Family Services. One of the things
Speaker 1: he talked about is these are people who are working.
Speaker 1: Majority of these people who actually work every day, some
Speaker 1: of them working two and three jobs. You're looking at
Speaker 1: children who in it's to children. Then you're looking at
Speaker 1: senior citizens who pay their dues.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 8: You know, that's a big chunk of people.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're very pro veteran ye serve.
Speaker 1: Yeah, veterans who serve this country. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: this is unbelievable. And to deny them something as basic
Speaker 1: as being able to have food on the table is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And then one of the things the food free Store
Speaker 1: Food Bank, which you know the in world hunger that's
Speaker 1: one of my it's just been dear, dear, my heart,
Speaker 1: and I've always worked with them for you know, most
Speaker 1: of my life helping. One of the things that was
Speaker 1: said that we can't food pantry ourselves out and do it,
Speaker 1: you know, even with the money that we have that we.
Speaker 8: Had from Snap.
Speaker 1: We had Snap and food Bank was kind of a
Speaker 1: gap filler. It was never the main line, and so
Speaker 1: it won't be we won't be able to We're going
Speaker 1: to put more money toward that. We as a as
Speaker 1: a county commission, we've put about two million dollars with
Speaker 1: the OURPA money that we did. We're looking for more
Speaker 1: opera money. We know we probably got at least another
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand. We're scraping to sign some others, so
Speaker 1: that number may go up, but we know that that
Speaker 1: is just a temporary situation. Then what people don't understand
Speaker 1: the economic impact of the snap benefits. In other words,
Speaker 1: for every dollar that we put in you talked about
Speaker 1: the nineteen million, we get one dollar and fifty four
Speaker 1: cents back. So we're talking about almost you know, over
Speaker 1: two hundred close three hundred million dollars economically in the
Speaker 1: economy to keep this economy going, because.
Speaker 2: You're going to buy stuff, You're going to go to
Speaker 2: the store, you're going to go to Kroger, whatever, and
Speaker 2: that money gets pumped back into the economy, and that
Speaker 2: means jobs and a fewer people are done. You know, Okay,
Speaker 2: you don't need that many people at Kroger working wherever.
Speaker 2: You get your groceries and you can't you keep I
Speaker 2: talked to a Kurt Ryber on Monday Show, Alicia Reese,
Speaker 2: CEO of the Freestar Food Bank, and he was he
Speaker 2: was kind about that. They said, well, I'm optimistic we'll
Speaker 2: get this thing settled now here it is, you know,
Speaker 2: we're heading in the back half the week, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden that's not looking at a certainty or
Speaker 2: a guarantee for sure. But he said, look, we might
Speaker 2: have to open twice a month to folks who are
Speaker 2: on snap are supposed to once a month, and he's
Speaker 2: going to have to lean on his vendors as suppliers.
Speaker 2: And of course the generosity of Cincinnatians and and they
Speaker 2: serve not just Cincinnati, but as you know, like twenty counties.
Speaker 2: So if you're hearing this and like I have, make
Speaker 2: a donation the free Store Food Bank. Because it's that
Speaker 2: time of the year and now we're getting to you know,
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and Christmas when the need is even great. It's
Speaker 2: like the worst time possible for this to happen.
Speaker 1: It's the worst time possible. And as you indicate it,
Speaker 1: we looked at also the Director of Jobs and Family
Speaker 1: Services because all of the snap benefits don't happen just
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the month. Right, We've got half
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the month, so we've got a
Speaker 1: group that will be impacted November first. Then we've got
Speaker 1: another half where theirs are in the middle of the month,
Speaker 1: so theirs would go out right at Thanksgiving. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. And then you talked about Kroger's and others.
Speaker 1: They're small, there's farmers' markets, there's smaller retails. Over almost
Speaker 1: ten thousand retails stores throughout Ohio will be affected. So
Speaker 1: now we're talking about some you know, some of the
Speaker 1: smaller stores as well as that affect you know, Kroger's
Speaker 1: and all those because the less people buy, right, the
Speaker 1: higher the prices and so. And then some of the
Speaker 1: smaller retail stores, the farmer markets and those kinds of things,
Speaker 1: some of them have indicated they might go out of business.
Speaker 1: And those are the ones that provide the fresh fruit
Speaker 1: into some of these food desert areas, so it's a
Speaker 1: trickle effect. Then you have senior citizens who many are
Speaker 1: on medicine, and some children that have to take medicines,
Speaker 1: and now you have to decide can I afford the
Speaker 1: medicine or the food. And everybody knows when you take
Speaker 1: medicine that it says you got to eat with the medicine.
Speaker 1: So it's a trickle down effect. And then we had CMHA,
Speaker 1: a director come in and he said it also affects
Speaker 1: because now we're talking about housing and his program has
Speaker 1: because of the government shut down. He indicated that it
Speaker 1: will affect people with affordable housing as well. And you know,
Speaker 1: we've been pushing affordable housing. Will people be able to
Speaker 1: have a place to live? Yeah, And you know, it's slow,
Speaker 1: it's just everything. And you know, I've been on this
Speaker 1: property taxes. He just chilling us, you know, and we
Speaker 1: did that. We did that Bengals dealsloan and they took
Speaker 1: out thirty percent, so we can't even try to get
Speaker 1: to thirty percent rebate. Then the state would not do
Speaker 1: anything on the property taxes.
Speaker 8: Yet they're still trying to.
Speaker 2: Figure that out. What's going on. And that's that's a
Speaker 2: whole separate, complex issue, right And then the man time
Speaker 2: it is coming up bottom line is Saturday. Unless things
Speaker 2: change in Washington, a lot of people are going to
Speaker 2: have to do without. And I, you know, I look
Speaker 2: at this thing Alicia Reese's you know, and and we
Speaker 2: even mentioned, for example, the federal workers for example, who
Speaker 2: are working out of the paycheck. And I said, when
Speaker 2: this thing started, I was like, Okay, it's theater, is
Speaker 2: what it is. And then what happens is in about
Speaker 2: thirty days that theater becomes reality. So you see the
Speaker 2: snap benefits cut concerns with the FAA. You have Frederick
Speaker 2: workers now missing a couple pass. You know, most families
Speaker 2: can afford. You know, Okay, can we tighten it up
Speaker 2: for till the next pay cycle? Sure, we do that
Speaker 2: all the time. You start talking a couple of pay cycles,
Speaker 2: it's a different story entirely. And yet these people still
Speaker 2: have to show up to work.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they got to show up to work not getting paid. Song.
Speaker 1: Now we're in twenty twenty twenty five, right, twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five people working and not getting paid. Come on, and
Speaker 1: in this society there be a furlough. These people have
Speaker 1: home mortgages, they will have the property taxes, We doe
Speaker 1: their gas and electrics do Now you're talking over here
Speaker 1: those with the snap benefits now they can't get anything
Speaker 1: to eat. Children's families worried.
Speaker 2: How problems gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1: This is outrageous, and then the song we have until
Speaker 1: this Thursday, and I don't think it's gonna go. The
Speaker 1: state then said, hey, you fix the problem on property taxes.
Speaker 1: And you saw Butler County and Warrant County they looking
Speaker 1: to double the homestead to help the seniors. But it
Speaker 1: doesn't look like you know, I asked the ministrator to
Speaker 1: look at all options, and it doesn't seem like I'm
Speaker 1: going to get the support to be able to do
Speaker 1: that here in Hamilton County. So now what do we do.
Speaker 1: We can't give the homeowners to break federal workers furloughs.
Speaker 1: That's your middle class that they're working with no paycheck.
Speaker 1: Senior citizens have done their time and they can't now
Speaker 1: get anything to eat. They don't know if to pay
Speaker 1: for the medicine or can they pay to get something
Speaker 1: to eat. Children out here hungry. These ninety seven thousand
Speaker 1: people affected about the snap benefits, like you said, nutrition
Speaker 1: and all that, they can't even get anything to eat,
Speaker 1: and most of them are working every day.
Speaker 8: I mean, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean pretty soon it's gonna be you're gonna
Speaker 2: look at it and go Okay, Well I can feed
Speaker 2: my kids or I can pay the electric bill. And
Speaker 2: you know, you can have a really good job and
Speaker 2: good income stream and still feel the pinch of the
Speaker 2: spatic Hell, Lisha, You've got a couple of year you
Speaker 2: make money and you still have a hard time painting
Speaker 2: your electric bill.
Speaker 8: Hey, let me just say let me say this, Let
Speaker 8: me say this.
Speaker 7: I am.
Speaker 1: I am a normal working person and I and I
Speaker 1: have the struggles of everybody.
Speaker 8: Everybody.
Speaker 2: Because this morning Alicia was a little late because her
Speaker 2: phone died because her power went out. And I said, well,
Speaker 2: I mean you gotta pay that, you gotta pay, you
Speaker 2: gotta pay.
Speaker 1: Duke Kennedy, girl, I jumped up, so said, I said
Speaker 1: my glasses. I said, wait, MANE is saying, and you know,
Speaker 1: get get my lesture.
Speaker 2: I got my receipt. I'm gonna waving in somebody's face.
Speaker 1: It was a power out.
Speaker 8: Somebody won't be talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is. I love the conspiracy, I
Speaker 2: really do us. She's Alicia County Commissioner on.
Speaker 6: The show It's Low.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell people, I've got the five or
Speaker 1: three release bus and we have helped thirty thousand people
Speaker 1: where we got the bus going all over the county.
Speaker 1: We're going to try to connect people to as much
Speaker 1: help as we have available to them.
Speaker 9: Right now.
Speaker 8: We're bringing food, we're.
Speaker 1: Bringing all kind of help from jobs and family services,
Speaker 1: anything we have. We're going to try to connect them
Speaker 1: and answer the problems that they may have. And we
Speaker 1: also try to get people. Let's get these unclaimed funds, every.
Speaker 8: Little dollar count. We're in a nine to one one right.
Speaker 2: Now, we are, and you hope that cooler heads prevail.
Speaker 2: Like if I were to talk to you know, Democrats
Speaker 2: and Republicans, I think the sentiment of the country is, Okay,
Speaker 2: you made your point. You made your point. Now once
Speaker 2: you get past. And the reason why the longest shutdown
Speaker 2: was thirty five days is because after you know, first
Speaker 2: few weeks at theater, once you start to get past
Speaker 2: that thirty day, market really starts to hurt people who
Speaker 2: don't deserve it. And you know, so at the end
Speaker 2: of the day is you know, could play party politics
Speaker 2: and our side's got to win and crush the other side.
Speaker 2: But you know when when individual families and kids and
Speaker 2: veterans and seniors are getting squeezed out and literally not
Speaker 2: getting food, I think that's time both sides have to go. Look,
Speaker 2: we made our point. We've eventually got a govern here.
Speaker 2: We got to legislate and let's fit this problem through
Speaker 2: the legislative action, not executive order. And a lot of
Speaker 2: people blame Trump for all this thing, but it's party politics.
Speaker 2: It's the lines are so defined and it's such a
Speaker 2: gap between the two parties right now. This is why
Speaker 2: Congress largely we're sending them to Washington. What are they doing.
Speaker 2: All they're doing is shutting. They came and bounce a
Speaker 2: budgetally share you got one job, you can't do that,
Speaker 2: and then you shut the government down like every ten
Speaker 2: minutes on the tens.
Speaker 1: Well, we got to come together. But this is an
Speaker 1: economics fight. We've got to fight going right now. Sloan
Speaker 1: from creating the have and the have not and the
Speaker 1: have nots is growing and getting crushed at whatever they do.
Speaker 1: I encourage all of them to come together, but we
Speaker 1: also got to make sure that we can afford to
Speaker 1: go to the hospital. I mean, I mean it's an
Speaker 1: economics fight. Like you said, whether it's a snap benefit,
Speaker 1: whether it's a property Texas, whether it's you know, whether
Speaker 1: it's cannot afford to go to the hospital right now,
Speaker 1: because you know, we can't. Basically, America, we just can't
Speaker 1: afford to pay. We can't pay more to go to
Speaker 1: the hospital. We can't pay more to go to the doctors.
Speaker 1: We can't go out here and cut our snap benefits.
Speaker 1: We can't pay more for property takes. We just squeezed.
Speaker 1: So the economy has squeezed us. And like you said,
Speaker 1: here we are down at the bottom, trying to trying
Speaker 1: to survive. And I think I would want all of them.
Speaker 1: I don't care who you are. Take the posits out
Speaker 1: of it enough, fight for Americans to be able to look.
Speaker 2: Forward, to live, go back and negotiate and come up
Speaker 2: with something. And you know, Democrats, it's about subsidence. I
Speaker 2: think subsidy is terrible because it's just making affordable or
Speaker 2: I guess pretending to make affordable something that's not. You're
Speaker 2: taking cash from one pallem, move it to another. At
Speaker 2: the end of the day, this is why we've got
Speaker 2: a thirty eight trillion dollar deficit with the subsidies. Republicans,
Speaker 2: and I've talked to many of my friends in the
Speaker 2: right side of the owl, talk about you know, empowering
Speaker 2: people to take care of better care of their health
Speaker 2: and incentivizing well and it's that's all well and good,
Speaker 2: but that takes ten, twenty, thirty forty years or more
Speaker 2: for that to take it. We need a plan right now.
Speaker 2: We need to fix the broken healthcare system right now.
Speaker 2: We don't need more substant and we don't need, you know,
Speaker 2: to empower people in future generations to get healthy. We
Speaker 2: still need to have people today that have cancer, that
Speaker 2: have diabetes, that are in wheelchairs, that have mental illness,
Speaker 2: all those things, and we're not we're not addressing that.
Speaker 2: We're just kicking the can down the road. And both
Speaker 2: sides are complicity. That's all it is. And it's squeezing
Speaker 2: out the county, the city, the state. We're screwed. We
Speaker 2: don't have the rainy day fund and now that was
Speaker 2: in the proposals is to get to wind to tap
Speaker 2: the rainy day funds. There's four billion dollars in that.
Speaker 2: I don't know how long that would fund snap. It
Speaker 2: might get us through another month. But the problem with
Speaker 2: that though is, you know, Alicia, is the General Assembly
Speaker 2: needs to pass the legislation and that's not going to happen.
Speaker 2: By Saturday. You can't directly fund SNAP because the state
Speaker 2: only verifies eligibility. That's a federal government runs that system.
Speaker 1: Well, I think we all got to have there's unprecedented.
Speaker 8: This is unprecedented what we're doing.
Speaker 2: It's self inflicted. That's the worst part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with self inflicting, and Americas are getting hurt and
Speaker 1: you're reading articles that you get in ballrooms even though
Speaker 1: it's private money. Can you imagine three hundred million of
Speaker 1: private money immediately? We need two hundred and forty million
Speaker 1: to do SNAP. The money is out there, but they're
Speaker 1: just squeezing everybody to having no money, and then only
Speaker 1: certain people have money. And we, like you said, we
Speaker 1: pay our taxes and we got to get a return
Speaker 1: on it. We gotta We sent him stuff to Washington,
Speaker 1: and damn it, Washington, we got to get it back here.
Speaker 6: Problem.
Speaker 2: That's a problem working people. I mean, you know, let's
Speaker 2: take care of the workers. Cause most of the people
Speaker 2: on SNAP are working. Families are working at least a
Speaker 2: couple of jobs. And County Commissioner at Lisha Reese, I'll
Speaker 2: let you go before I don't know, do you needed
Speaker 2: the venue money so you can pay your electric Bill,
Speaker 2: Can I help you? What can I do for you?
Speaker 1: It's been paid Okay, all right, it's been paid for.
Speaker 2: And your wireless clearly works.
Speaker 1: They got I don't want to be but there's some
Speaker 1: people out there.
Speaker 8: Let me just.
Speaker 1: Say who can't pay? And I guess I got a
Speaker 1: glimpse of what it's like to be in the dark.
Speaker 2: And appreciate you so much. Alicia, thanks for jumping on
Speaker 2: this morning. Take care, have a good one. It's always
Speaker 2: bringing the eat here. Sure you do not any money
Speaker 2: that electric bill? I get this in cash or cricket
Speaker 2: wire Let's keep that phone going. She's good radio. She
Speaker 2: is Alicia Reese Hamblin County Commission in a very serious
Speaker 2: issue though. On Saturday, Uh, if these benefits expired, I
Speaker 2: want to believe that even Washington has some sense and goes,
Speaker 2: you know, we really, we really need to come to
Speaker 2: some common ground here because people are going to suffer
Speaker 2: starting on Saturday. Now is it going to be Saturday exactly?
Speaker 2: That all of a sudden, we're gonna have all now
Speaker 2: what four million people starving? And I went, no, it's
Speaker 2: good a few days, but the point has been made.
Speaker 2: It's time to actually govern for a change. How about
Speaker 2: that we sent you to Washington to governing. How about governing?
Speaker 2: Why did you do that? Slooney seven hundred w O.
Speaker 2: Helping you put the big P in profession. Here's our career, sir,
Speaker 2: Julie Balki, all right headed towards November first, some people
Speaker 2: losing their snap benefits and other people have to make
Speaker 2: a decision on their healthcare. If you're in the private
Speaker 2: sector like me, maybe you, that means trying to figure
Speaker 2: that out and navigate that. And only fifty seven percent
Speaker 2: of full time employees understand their benefits coverage. That is
Speaker 2: the lowest it's been since twenty twenty. And why that
Speaker 2: is and what's driving that? She has the answers. It's
Speaker 2: Julie Bouki from the Bouki Group, career coach and consultant.
Speaker 2: It's Julie on the job of Sloaney this morning on
Speaker 2: seven hundred double WoT. How you been, good morning.
Speaker 4: You know reading this by HARKing back to my early
Speaker 4: days of my career in human resources, and this is
Speaker 4: not a new problem in my experience. You had open
Speaker 4: enrollment every year where people had to come forward and
Speaker 4: say I select this program or I select this program,
Speaker 4: and literally, for something as important as healthcare and medical benefits,
Speaker 4: it was like pulling teeth to get people to sign up.
Speaker 4: And it's just confounding to me. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: I think sometimes your health and medical benefits benefits in
Speaker 4: general falls into that same category of I'll worry about
Speaker 4: it when I need it, okay, like insurance, but general,
Speaker 4: like home insurance, like I expect it to be there
Speaker 4: for every every need I could possibly have when I
Speaker 4: need it. But I don't want to put a lot
Speaker 4: of time into reading over it because it just confuses me.
Speaker 6: Which I got it.
Speaker 2: I totally get that. It's like, there's there's twenty different
Speaker 2: plans and you could do this, and how about what's
Speaker 2: the out of pocket? And the thing is, unless you're
Speaker 2: a nature, no one understands. Well, Okay, I got a colpay,
Speaker 2: I got this forty percent, but here's our family maximum,
Speaker 2: our monthly maximum. And then it's like I don't know what. Okay.
Speaker 2: Then you're an STD and LTD and FTD and ESPN
Speaker 2: and like my eyes glaze over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I get it because those kind of things
Speaker 4: aren't natural for me to dig in and understand either.
Speaker 4: But it's also not reasonable to ignore it. Just pick
Speaker 4: you know, give me the basics, and then you find
Speaker 4: out six months in that you have to have surgery
Speaker 4: and it's not covered because you didn't pick the right plan.
Speaker 3: That's not fair either.
Speaker 4: You know. That's so there has to be and I
Speaker 4: know it seems like the whole areas seem to get
Speaker 4: so much more complex with whether it's ACA, or whether
Speaker 4: you are on your souse's benefits, or whether you're allowed
Speaker 4: to be on your house's benefits if you also have
Speaker 4: full time employment. So there's all these little loopholes and
Speaker 4: all these little if this then that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: But when you think about the moment in which you
Speaker 4: really need once you're really going to need it, and
Speaker 4: how it can impact your financial future if you aren't
Speaker 4: covered and you have to have something done anyway, you
Speaker 4: just got to bear down do it. And I know
Speaker 4: that that's I know that that's hard because I will admit,
Speaker 4: back when I was in corporate America, it was little
Speaker 4: last thing I wanted to do, even for myself, and
Speaker 4: so I get it. But and so it seems like
Speaker 4: all these people that have said I don't understand it.
Speaker 4: It seems kind of like a throw out my hands.
Speaker 4: I know companies do try to explain it, do try,
Speaker 4: they have sessions, they do things to try to help
Speaker 4: you understand it. But you know, I used to say
Speaker 4: about benefits when I was in HR. You can lean
Speaker 4: horses to water all day long, you can't make them drink.
Speaker 4: And that's that's really what this comes down to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm the old days. You know, when everyone
Speaker 2: met in person. We've still worked in a workplace, right,
Speaker 2: You'd have the big benefit meeting and everyone would show
Speaker 2: up and there'd be someone there presenting the information, namely
Speaker 2: Julie Bouki or something like that, and it was a
Speaker 2: horrible meeting because about forty five minutes in your eye
Speaker 2: start glazing over about benefits and then are there any questions?
Speaker 2: And sure enough the question. Here's Matt Reese in the
Speaker 2: background raising his hand and he's going to ask a
Speaker 2: thousand questions and drag this, drag this thing out three
Speaker 2: or four more hours long, and it's just it's insane.
Speaker 2: It wasn't. Fortunately, you can do that online and we
Speaker 2: have AI and stuff like that. But benefits are and
Speaker 2: the reason why we're seeing employees understand benefits lesson is
Speaker 2: because it's even more complex and expensive, right, it.
Speaker 4: Is more complex and expensive. Yeah, And it feels like
Speaker 4: if the depth and the scope of benefits get smaller
Speaker 4: and smaller. I mean, everybody over a certain age remembers
Speaker 4: a day when, maybe even early in your career, when
Speaker 4: you worked for a company where it was very small copay,
Speaker 4: very small deductible. You just showed up anywhere you wanted
Speaker 4: to and you were taken care of and that was it.
Speaker 4: And it's those days are never coming back because certainly
Speaker 4: healthcare costs have risen crazily for companies, and so they can't.
Speaker 4: You know, I just wish, I just wish at It
Speaker 4: won't be where I'm a live or you're alive, but
Speaker 4: I wish somebody somewhere would have the courage to step
Speaker 4: up and face off with the healthcare and pharmaceutical lobby
Speaker 4: and the insurance lobby and separates healthcare benefits from employment.
Speaker 4: That works when they were unions.
Speaker 3: With urban It doesn't.
Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense anymore. And it's actually APA, right,
Speaker 4: it never did. That's what the ACA was for, so
Speaker 4: that you weren't stuck without benefits because you weren't employed.
Speaker 4: It attempted to make them more affordable, and it did
Speaker 4: for many, many people, so that you didn't have to
Speaker 4: hang on to a job you hated just so you
Speaker 4: had your healthcare covered. I mean, even just saying that
Speaker 4: sentence sounds nutty, right, So, yeah, so it's a it's
Speaker 4: a very very complex problem.
Speaker 2: It really isn't, Julie. Let me know, I've been on
Speaker 2: this on this soapbox for twenty something years. It's not
Speaker 2: that complex. All all Congress has to do is like, look,
Speaker 2: all right, starting at this date, you are no longer
Speaker 2: to offer healthcare benefits healthcare benefits as an incentive at
Speaker 2: your workplace, like you can't if you're an employer, you
Speaker 2: don't do it, just don't do it, and and that
Speaker 2: way you don't have well some companies are offering somewhere
Speaker 2: just then the practice and allow the free market, Allow
Speaker 2: of the open market, like you do with your car insurance,
Speaker 2: like you do with your life insurance, your renter's insurance,
Speaker 2: all that stuff. The money you would save and not
Speaker 2: having to hire people like Julie Bouki to and essentially,
Speaker 2: I mean, how much of your job when you're in
Speaker 2: HR was HR. How much of your job was managing
Speaker 2: healthcare costs. You had a whole team, the bigger the company.
Speaker 2: You had to hire staffs of people to do that.
Speaker 2: Go to your doctor's office. You may have one nurse
Speaker 2: practitioner there, but there's five or six people. Their whole
Speaker 2: job is medical coding, medical building, doing all that stuff,
Speaker 2: putting entry level stuff to comply with the government and
Speaker 2: to comply with insurance companies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if we're going to do that, if you're
Speaker 4: going to stay okay, effective January first, twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 4: healthcare is now untethered. You have entire industrial complexes of pharmaceuticals,
Speaker 4: medical products, doctors, hospitals, you know, medicare. I mean, everything
Speaker 4: has to be ready for that and has to be
Speaker 4: able to price it appropriately. They have to be able
Speaker 4: to stat for it.
Speaker 3: So it would take a.
Speaker 4: Pretty long runway to do that. Sure, but because the
Speaker 4: lobbies are so strong in all of those they they
Speaker 4: are in the back pocket of a lot of politicians
Speaker 4: will never vote for that. So here we are again,
Speaker 4: just because our politicians.
Speaker 2: Have their hands out right right well, and then we
Speaker 2: need if we need fundraising, and damn it, you can
Speaker 2: do this, and it's better for America. It's better for
Speaker 2: the bottom line because you can stand, you know, democratical plays. Look, oh,
Speaker 2: you're going to have two hundred and twenty two million
Speaker 2: people who don't have any healthcare benefits and you're a
Speaker 2: capitalist and you have money. No, it doesn't work. Though
Speaker 2: the money you save and all the compliance and all
Speaker 2: the government bs, you could take some of that money
Speaker 2: and have health care for people who fall into the
Speaker 2: poverty line and still have literally billions of dollars left over,
Speaker 2: if not trillions of dollars left over to balance the
Speaker 2: budget to put to something else. Because once employment is
Speaker 2: tied to healthcare benefits, too many people working crappy jobs
Speaker 2: simply because they need the benefits. It's so very true
Speaker 2: if you free what would that do for the gig economy?
Speaker 2: On top of that, people who have two or three
Speaker 2: or four different jobs that would allow that to go
Speaker 2: on like gangbusters, Like what you would make up at
Speaker 2: the back end would more than cover the front end.
Speaker 2: But of course you're protecting someone else's turf. You're protecting
Speaker 2: insurance companies and big pharma and insurance providers and PBMs
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, because they've made their success and
Speaker 2: they don't want that to go away. They don't want
Speaker 2: that gravy train to end m M exactly.
Speaker 4: It's the what we're seeing, which is I think really interesting.
Speaker 4: I think this is sort of the future because we're
Speaker 4: seeing harken back to the old day of COVID, which
Speaker 4: feels like it was a you know, different lifetime. But
Speaker 4: we saw think about we saw companies come out like okay,
Speaker 4: day care for your pets, day care for your grandma,
Speaker 4: perk for this, perks for that, you know, because they
Speaker 4: were in attraction mode. They were trying to get people
Speaker 4: to come work there. The problem is then when the
Speaker 4: pendulum swings back the other way, those are the first
Speaker 4: things to go. But what I do like about the
Speaker 4: personalization of benefits. So let's say if everybody has the
Speaker 4: same benefit, So as if a single person, a single
Speaker 4: thirty year old doesn't maybe doesn't have a spouse, doesn't
Speaker 4: have kids, and it's really healthy, they they they may
Speaker 4: choose a more a skinnier plan and then spend again
Speaker 4: some of those benefits dollars for catastrophic or for you know,
Speaker 4: for more vacation time or PTO or doggie daycare or
Speaker 4: so I love the idea of a bank and a
Speaker 4: variety of benefits. There's obviously a lot of regulations around this,
Speaker 4: but the company I used to work four years ago,
Speaker 4: you had to at least have catastrophic but beyond that,
Speaker 4: it was what do you need? Do you need more medications?
Speaker 4: Are you or can you use some of those dollars
Speaker 4: for wellness? And so if I think, I hope we're
Speaker 4: going to be heading in that direction because we are learning,
Speaker 4: whether it comes to hybrid works, remote work, in office work,
Speaker 4: one size doesn't fit all and so we have there
Speaker 4: some sort of personalization is I think a really important
Speaker 4: recruitment and retention strategy. But it's sticky. It's really really sticky.
Speaker 4: But the companies who figure it out, I think, are
Speaker 4: the companies who are going to be the places that say,
Speaker 4: instead of saying here's the benefits package, Oh you don't
Speaker 4: need most of these things, sorry about that, instead say
Speaker 4: what do you need? And then here are your options.
Speaker 2: Julie Bouki, our career is sure. But Wednesday morning's here
Speaker 2: on the Scotsland Show on seven hundred double de lit
Speaker 2: bit tuck and job related stuff on the big issues.
Speaker 2: We'll get to. The AI stuff is fascinating. We've been
Speaker 2: talking a lot about that, but we are now in
Speaker 2: that sweet spot here for benefits, right, it is trying
Speaker 2: to understand your benefits coverage. Decision day is coming up,
Speaker 2: kind of like when it was sports. To steal an
Speaker 2: analogy there, it is decision day. You decide how much
Speaker 2: more you're going to pay and how fewer benefits you're
Speaker 2: going to wind up getting. It's a mess, it's a nightmare.
Speaker 2: Only about sixty percent, less than six out of ten
Speaker 2: full time employees fully understand their benefits coverage. That's the
Speaker 2: lowest market's been since twenty twenty. It's been trending down
Speaker 2: now for the last number of years because it's become
Speaker 2: more expensive, it's become more complex. People don't like to
Speaker 2: make the decision. They him and haw about it. They
Speaker 2: want to save some money, but then they worry what
Speaker 2: if they get sick and I cover this whole thing.
Speaker 2: So we understand to struggle the benefits and how to
Speaker 2: access them when we need them, because I mean, let's
Speaker 2: face it, if your company is trying to get the
Speaker 2: best deal possible, you're probably changing insurance companies pretty much
Speaker 2: every year at this point. And some benefis sarian and
Speaker 2: now this company to this, well, we're not doing this,
Speaker 2: we're not covering that, and just keeping track of it
Speaker 2: as a nightmare. Imagine being an HR professional when HR
Speaker 2: staffers and senior management said, and seven out of ten
Speaker 2: then say, we don't understand it all ourselves. That's a problem.
Speaker 2: That shows you how big the problem is.
Speaker 4: And imagine all of a sudden there's an accident, yeah,
Speaker 4: or you're very sick. Is that really want to when
Speaker 4: you want to be online trying to figure all this
Speaker 4: stuff out and getting the bad news that you I
Speaker 4: forgot to clign up for that, right, So don't wait
Speaker 4: until that moment. And I always say, you know, I
Speaker 4: had a personal experience when my husband passed away. We
Speaker 4: had his living will, we had his healthcare power of returning.
Speaker 4: Everything was fresh done and in a notebook, and I
Speaker 4: just handed it to the hospital because I was I
Speaker 4: didn't even I couldn't even figure out where I was
Speaker 4: at the moment. So it's you know, I think you
Speaker 4: have to start. You have to put a little few
Speaker 4: brainfells toward figuring out am I ready when the worst happened.
Speaker 4: It doesn't have to consume you, but you're going to
Speaker 4: be glad you did because it comes for us all eventually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, some of that's going to come back. And
Speaker 2: I wonder how like small and mid sized companies navigate this.
Speaker 2: You don't have a huge HR department to navigate all
Speaker 2: the thing. I'd imagine AI at some point, if not now,
Speaker 2: it's starting to fill a void.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And they also they also a lot of times
Speaker 4: they rely on their benefits provider. They're brokers, the folks
Speaker 4: that they work with to develop the benefits programs. They
Speaker 4: rely on them to do the communication because they really
Speaker 4: are the experts. And so I would imagine the smaller
Speaker 4: companies more rely on their third party administrator or there.
Speaker 4: They're like an outsourced sort of organization that handles that
Speaker 4: for them because honestly, they're the experts. So it's going
Speaker 4: to be it's going to be a better use of
Speaker 4: their time.
Speaker 2: Anyway, before we started talking, I'll pivot to something else here,
Speaker 2: Julie Bucky, you were going off in a private conversation
Speaker 2: we had, and I've got a little bit more time
Speaker 2: to kill here with you. So Zach Taylor said that
Speaker 2: someone needs to step up relative to this this hapless
Speaker 2: Bengals defense. Somebody needs to step up. You as someone
Speaker 2: who's in HR you observe leadership. You're you know, you're
Speaker 2: in the corner office. You're a c suite kind of person.
Speaker 2: When you hear the head of an organization say someone
Speaker 2: needs to step up, what does that say to you?
Speaker 4: Ah, of course I cringe. Of course I was at
Speaker 4: the game, so especially Salty. But can you imagine the
Speaker 4: CEO of Croction and Gamble, And I know Zack said
Speaker 4: more than that, So can you imagine the top of
Speaker 4: any organization, via a government, public, private, somebody needs to
Speaker 4: step up here? It's like, well, what happened to the
Speaker 4: buck stop here? You know? And I know that the
Speaker 4: defense get together and have their own meeting and all
Speaker 4: of that, but the coach, the people at the top
Speaker 4: set the tone. People are looking for someone to follow,
Speaker 4: either in either in tone the tone makes set or
Speaker 4: the attitude that they support and bring to the party.
Speaker 4: And you have as a leader, nobody wants to see
Speaker 4: you stand up in front of a group and go anyone, anyone, anyone.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 4: I mean, It's just that's just what it felt like
Speaker 4: to me, and it just it just made me cringe.
Speaker 4: So I think I was resenting to you about that.
Speaker 2: No I don't think you're entirely at miss accurate. They're
Speaker 2: and inaccurate there I guess I should say is that
Speaker 2: somebody needs to step up. But it isn't that then
Speaker 2: indicative of his ability as a scout slash head coach
Speaker 2: Douke Tobin as the gas the essential of the guy
Speaker 2: who gets the players. I mean, if you don't, if
Speaker 2: you don't wind up recruiting in business or in football
Speaker 2: or sports for that matter, people who not everyone's going
Speaker 2: to be a you know, run through the wall leader.
Speaker 2: You can't have a team full of those. But that's
Speaker 2: a defense that tells me that's a team that doesn't
Speaker 2: have any leadership.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does make me wonder a certain point that
Speaker 4: you know, I don't even pretend to know one percent
Speaker 4: of what there is to know about football, so I'm
Speaker 4: always just really careful. That's the feeling in the stadium
Speaker 4: with something else on Sunday, it was very much like
Speaker 4: everybody was stunned into silence. Then the bos started, but
Speaker 4: everyone's like, I mean, people are look at each other
Speaker 4: like what just happened? It was really it was really
Speaker 4: a really different experience being there, and that doesn't happen
Speaker 4: with tight, well coordinated teams in at Procter and Gamble
Speaker 4: or at Kroger or you know, in the city of
Speaker 4: Loveland or wherever you know. I mean, it's just the
Speaker 4: people are. People are in all those roles, and there
Speaker 4: are certain commonalities that all humans have with each other.
Speaker 4: We want to be led, we want to be inspired,
Speaker 4: and it falls to it falls to the people at
Speaker 4: the top to set that tone. And if you can't,
Speaker 4: you've got to look at it, bring somebody in who can.
Speaker 4: It's that it's that little extra oomp that you get
Speaker 4: by having an inspiring leader.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that at this point. If Zach
Speaker 2: Taylor can do anything else. It's the fact that well
Speaker 2: they don't draft very well and don'tus address problems as
Speaker 2: they come up. And there's a whole host of other problem.
Speaker 2: I know they got a bigger problems because Friday is
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Speaker 2: mamdani Is looks like he is going to be the
Speaker 2: next mayor of the City of New York. Normally don't
Speaker 2: care too much about what happens in New York City.
Speaker 2: I care about Ohio. I came to bat Kentucky, care
Speaker 2: about Indiana. So you look at you New York Go
Speaker 2: New York LA. I you know, not a big cable
Speaker 2: news guy, don't really care all that much what's going
Speaker 2: on there. But I think you'd miss something if you
Speaker 2: didn't see that. The attitude that's allowing that to happen, granted,
Speaker 2: very progressive, very liberal New York City, but and about
Speaker 2: socialists with some of the policies he's proposing here makes
Speaker 2: one shake their head. And how did we get to
Speaker 2: this point? Is the question that someone like that can
Speaker 2: actually win office and the largest, most impactful city in
Speaker 2: the United States. We'll get to that next on seven
Speaker 2: hundred WW Cincinnati.
Speaker 7: Don't want to be an American.
Speaker 2: Or Mendami. That's the name you need to know because
Speaker 2: in the next few days, as we get to the election,
Speaker 2: he's probably going to be the next mayor of the
Speaker 2: City of New York. A socialist to be the mayor
Speaker 2: of the City of New York. That is frightening for
Speaker 2: a lot of people, warming for many others as well.
Speaker 2: But it does throw things in a turmoil. Shows you
Speaker 2: how the way politics is going for that matter. Also,
Speaker 2: you know we're in Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky. Now, if
Speaker 2: you watch cable news, you probably get a steady die
Speaker 2: of the fear of this guy. But most people I
Speaker 2: live in Ohio, I'm in the middle of I don't
Speaker 2: care who cares New York City. If he continues the
Speaker 2: path he's going to, and let's say he winds up
Speaker 2: becoming the next mayor of New York City, he's going
Speaker 2: to help reshape the narrative and the politics and the
Speaker 2: leadership nationally if that occurs. The why and the how.
Speaker 2: Ken Girardan is with Manhattan Institute, writes about this in Socialism.
Speaker 2: I'm the husband and I love the title. Ken, how
Speaker 2: are you Corny could vie with you. You're there there,
Speaker 2: You're in the heart of the thing. So you know
Speaker 2: more about this guy than most of us do. But
Speaker 2: is that fairly accurate? Like there's an underbelly here that
Speaker 2: this guy and we see socialism pop up from time
Speaker 2: to time, but this guy could be the next mayor
Speaker 2: of New York City. That's gonna change. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: kind of like a maybe a mini blue wave going
Speaker 2: across the country.
Speaker 5: I'd actually pushed back a little bit and I'd say
Speaker 5: he's kind of a lagging indicator. Okay, that is him
Speaker 5: winning the primary. That was a kind of a wake
Speaker 5: up call to folks to say, let's let's zoom out
Speaker 5: and look and just see where socialist proposals have already
Speaker 5: taken route, some of them. Donnie had spent five years
Speaker 5: in the state of Emily in Albany, and so that
Speaker 5: was my first stop and I looked there and I
Speaker 5: reviewed There are a number of socialist proposals, some of
Speaker 5: which have pretty widespread political support, but some other big
Speaker 5: ones also predate him as an assemblement. And I thought
Speaker 5: this was a good opportunity to take a look at
Speaker 5: the full the full buffet of stuff that people in
Speaker 5: the socialist persuasion want.
Speaker 2: Sure, And I bring that up as I said, Okay,
Speaker 2: you could see because among younger people, younger people love socialists.
Speaker 2: You go to a college campus, you know you've got
Speaker 2: Socialism is the greatest saying. We just got to do
Speaker 2: the right time. Socialism is a failed experiment, but we
Speaker 2: just we haven't fully done socialism yet. And that's always
Speaker 2: the excuse, right, is so why socialism fails? And of
Speaker 2: course there's a host of other reasons. There's you know,
Speaker 2: central planning can't allocate resources effectively, and you get rid
Speaker 2: of competition, and it drives incentivization a whole bunch of things.
Speaker 2: And we can get into why socialism is bad as
Speaker 2: a as a political philosophy. But young people see because yeah,
Speaker 2: I look at young people to America. It's New York
Speaker 2: City or Cincinnati, and hey, they're worried about jobs, they
Speaker 2: were about housing, they worried about health care. Healthcare is
Speaker 2: a mass. Both Republicans Democrats created this problem, and no
Speaker 2: one has a solution to fixing it other than more
Speaker 2: subsidies that we continue to borrow money to give subsceeded
Speaker 2: to people to make it afford it's not affordable. We're
Speaker 2: just taking money from one pile and moving it somewhere
Speaker 2: else you worry about. You know, people haven't worked two
Speaker 2: or three or more jobs just to keep their nose
Speaker 2: above water, and a lot of people can't do that.
Speaker 2: Housing is getting unrealistically unexpensive. So there's like a grossola
Speaker 2: of young people feel like they're painted in a corner
Speaker 2: right now, and that is always the catalyst or something
Speaker 2: like this coming along.
Speaker 5: Well, let's remember everybody grows up in not just socialism,
Speaker 5: but actually communism to a certain extent. That's where your
Speaker 5: family is, like I have I have communism at home
Speaker 5: with my children, where there's communal responsibility, community, communal ownership.
Speaker 5: And that's great within the family unit. When you start
Speaker 5: trying to build an entire society around it, that's where
Speaker 5: things historically have always fallen apart and struggled. That's where
Speaker 5: you inevitably have markets because you always have mismatching needs
Speaker 5: and wants between family units. And that's something where the
Speaker 5: socialists don't appreciate, that difference between what goes on in
Speaker 5: the family and what goes on between people with different situations, resources, skills,
Speaker 5: and and neat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's socialism is U and then the next phase
Speaker 2: after communist socialism. You know a lot of people go
Speaker 2: to school and they learn about socialism, and then it
Speaker 2: just becomes the you know, one campus agitator talking about
Speaker 2: we just haven't had perfect socialism, the right socialism yet.
Speaker 2: But you know the basis of socialism just in general,
Speaker 2: let alone. The version of what democratic socialism is is
Speaker 2: it's government ownership and control. It's a single payer system.
Speaker 2: There's no private competition, and you need all that to
Speaker 2: thrive into democracy. You need that to and you know,
Speaker 2: certainly we have problems in America, there's no denying that.
Speaker 2: But you know, you want to be like I don't know,
Speaker 2: you want to be like like the former Soviet Union.
Speaker 2: Do you want to be like you know, China during
Speaker 2: during the seventies. Do you want to be Venezuela, Cuba,
Speaker 2: North Korea? The answer is hell, no, you're.
Speaker 5: You're uh, you're you're very lightly going through the history
Speaker 5: of instances where major, major attempts at socialism have been tried,
Speaker 5: and one thing that's really unappreciated all of that is
Speaker 5: the disappearance of price signals. When you start having the
Speaker 5: government promise that they're going to provide everything. I think
Speaker 5: back to an example from about twenty years ago when
Speaker 5: the Cuban government had to provide rice cookers for citizens,
Speaker 5: and there was this it was this big to do. Wow,
Speaker 5: isn't it so magnanimous? The Cuban government is providing all
Speaker 5: citizens with rice cookers. And the reason this happened was
Speaker 5: because the shortage of rice cookers in Cuba had really
Speaker 5: fanned the flames of the black market that the government
Speaker 5: had created for everything else because people weren't because there
Speaker 5: were so many shortages that people were having to go
Speaker 5: and trade on their own, and you had this sort
Speaker 5: of blossoming private, private, underground economy. And that's something that
Speaker 5: socials don't appreciate that prices end information. Prices tell us
Speaker 5: where things are needed, where things are wanted, right, and
Speaker 5: that's why you see in those you know, in those
Speaker 5: societies that they inevitably really do lean into socialism, they
Speaker 5: inevitably run into trouble.
Speaker 2: Soviet Union comes to mind, chronic shortage of consumer goods,
Speaker 2: and we saw the pictures I'm lined up to for
Speaker 2: toilet paper to be handed out. Right, You've got abundant
Speaker 2: natural resources in the Soviet Union, and yet that happened,
Speaker 2: and you know, we saw the economic collapse, and then
Speaker 2: they kind of want to go back to that because
Speaker 2: you have a generation or two that didn't see how
Speaker 2: bad it was. It's kind of like here with vaccines, right,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, well, what the vaccine's got to be
Speaker 2: worse than whooping cough. Well, if you see what wooping
Speaker 2: cough looks like, you would rather take the vaccine that
Speaker 2: have whooping cough. It's the same thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 5: These are the sorts of lessons that every generation seems
Speaker 5: inevitably to have to relearn. And it's now been thirty
Speaker 5: four years since the fall of communism, and there are
Speaker 5: people alive in their thirties who have never who weren't
Speaker 5: alive for the USSR. And we have to be constantly
Speaker 5: reminding people about these about these lessons where they still
Speaker 5: exist in the world. We can't rely too much talk
Speaker 5: about what went on behind the Iron Curtain, and we
Speaker 5: have to talk more about where these shortfalls are in
Speaker 5: existing countries, including by the way, sometimes own, and talk
Speaker 5: about where these experiments with socialism just haven't panned out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is a lesson. But of course the
Speaker 2: cry has always been yeah, but it's different. Now, is
Speaker 2: it really all that different because it's an economic erce
Speaker 2: next time will be different, Yeah, next time it is. Well,
Speaker 2: they haven't gotten it right yet. I mean, look at
Speaker 2: some of these other countries like Sweden. It's that's more
Speaker 2: democratic socialism and okay, so explain to me how things
Speaker 2: are so perfect in a.
Speaker 5: World like that and it's not even I mean, let's
Speaker 5: be clear, there's a very big difference between having a
Speaker 5: very robust welfare state funded with lots of taxes and
Speaker 5: still allowing market competition to happen. What probably what we
Speaker 5: should be more concerned about is where the government wants
Speaker 5: to step in and be the only provider of certain things,
Speaker 5: where you stop having competition, where you staff having capital allocation.
Speaker 5: That's where you also run into really big problems with
Speaker 5: cronyism when you start to put government in charge of
Speaker 5: things like like the electric grid or the healthcare system,
Speaker 5: and you you move away from what is an imperfect
Speaker 5: but at least responsive system. And that's one of the
Speaker 5: that's one of the importances of preserving those market systems
Speaker 5: because in a in a poor performing part of the market,
Speaker 5: you can always go somewhere else. You lose that when
Speaker 5: you have the state take over stuff and even and
Speaker 5: like I said, in Scandinavia they have a lot of
Speaker 5: social wealth spending, but they don't necessarily have assiciating state
Speaker 5: ownership of things. There's a there's a very big difference there,
Speaker 5: and I think people try to almost impolitely sneak Scandinavia
Speaker 5: through as some example of this, you know, Democratic socialist nirvana,
Speaker 5: but it's not.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. Most people don't research it or
Speaker 2: find that out themselves. Can Girardan is here, Manhattan Institute, Socialism,
Speaker 2: the husband, the Hudson the husband, Socialism on the husband,
Speaker 2: back to your family situation. Anyway, I'm Donnie's the guy
Speaker 2: in New York City, the Democratic Socialists who just won
Speaker 2: the Merrill primary there, and a lot of people are
Speaker 2: talking to this in the political scene. And you know,
Speaker 2: if he winds up winning the mayoralship of New York City,
Speaker 2: which is possible, will you see like a mini blue wave.
Speaker 2: I think that'd be like a ripple effect because other
Speaker 2: people look at this and go wow, yeah, clearly the
Speaker 2: people are upset. Now that's New York City. The politics
Speaker 2: and demands in New York City much different than here
Speaker 2: in Ohio, certainly one hundred percent. But these are the things.
Speaker 2: These are the mile posts that come along and people go, wow, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's a growing movement. It has to start somewhere, and
Speaker 2: why not in New York City? And largely because there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people who are affected by this economy,
Speaker 2: this effect that I should say, with jobs and housing
Speaker 2: and healthcare. You know, you bring up how socialism, but
Speaker 2: we have a lot of socialism baked into policies in America, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, you mentioned healthcare. Is there anything more socialistic
Speaker 2: than our healthcare system or schools or whatever it might be. Now, granted,
Speaker 2: we're trying to be able to take your money, make
Speaker 2: it portable and have private schools and vouchers and things
Speaker 2: like that with a lot of resistance, but we've got
Speaker 2: a lot of socialism baked into the American system.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: You have instances where we were the most efficient system
Speaker 5: right now is to have state ownership for things, and
Speaker 5: we should be constantly looking critically at that and looking
Speaker 5: for alternatives. Doesn't mean you should throw it out, but
Speaker 5: we should always be asking the question, is this the
Speaker 5: most efficient, responsive way to do stuff because we often
Speaker 5: find it isn't look at what's happened with the postal
Speaker 5: service over the past fifty to sixty seventy years, where
Speaker 5: you've had private actors come and you know, they have
Speaker 5: been given the space to compete and in a lot
Speaker 5: of cases they're eating the postal services lunch because competition
Speaker 5: was you know, competition was allowed there. Now we're not
Speaker 5: going to have rival you know snow. You know, we're
Speaker 5: not going to have rival roads or at private roads
Speaker 5: to our houses anytime soon. But in places like the
Speaker 5: healthcare in the education space, we routinely find that competition
Speaker 5: not only leads to innovation, but also leads to better
Speaker 5: outcomes for folks. In New York, there are lots of
Speaker 5: what are called charter schools, which are publicly funded, privately
Speaker 5: run schools that parents can pick if they don't like
Speaker 5: how their neighborhood school is performing. And there are parts
Speaker 5: of New York City where a third of the public
Speaker 5: school kids are now in charter schools because they've been
Speaker 5: given that alternative, that competition. It's good, it's healthy, and
Speaker 5: we should constantly be looking for opportunities to create more competition,
Speaker 5: even for instances that we right now call the government.
Speaker 2: It's hard to believe we're like, what sixty seventy years
Speaker 2: past Brown versus Board of Education. But that's exactly what
Speaker 2: this is. It's like, you know, mister Brown back in
Speaker 2: the day, said, why do I have to send my kid,
Speaker 2: my ups to be black to a school on the
Speaker 2: other side of town simply because of her skin color?
Speaker 2: Why can't you go to the one right down the
Speaker 2: street from us? Same things happening today too. It's like, well, wait,
Speaker 2: why do I have to send my kid across town
Speaker 2: to a school that's performing when a underperforming school, why
Speaker 2: don't we just fix the school that's broken that steps
Speaker 2: away from my house. Same type of argument, And here
Speaker 2: you go again. And a litm bit of time we
Speaker 2: have because I don't know how many people are found
Speaker 2: this man Danny thing, But we really haven't discussed his
Speaker 2: hit list, his wants and these and what he wants
Speaker 2: to do New York City, why he won the mayor
Speaker 2: whole primary, What are some of the promise what are
Speaker 2: some things that jumped off the page at you when
Speaker 2: it comes to the reforms they want to do with
Speaker 2: a democratic socialist or socialist system in New York City.
Speaker 5: Three major parts of some of them on Donnie's platform
Speaker 5: were making buses free with the New York City providing
Speaker 5: free universal childcare, and then also freezing the rent for
Speaker 5: about half the apartment in New York City, those that
Speaker 5: are subject to New York City rent regulations.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so I'm a landlord, I own property, So
Speaker 2: you're telling me I have a cap on how much
Speaker 2: I can charge. What do you think I'm going to do?
Speaker 5: Ken, I would not be shocked if you were to
Speaker 5: immediately sell your property if that were the case to.
Speaker 2: The stead or it's like, okay, fine, I'll keep it.
Speaker 2: But you know your microwave breaks. You think I'm going
Speaker 2: to replace that anytime soon? The roof is laking, a
Speaker 2: pipe is broken, your refrigerator isn't working. Where's mind centive
Speaker 2: to fix that? If I can't recoup my losses.
Speaker 5: This is something again that predates Mamdani. This goes back
Speaker 5: to the twenty nineteen rent laws in New York which
Speaker 5: were quite possibly the most extreme rent regulation in the country.
Speaker 5: But what they've resulted in is something called warehousing where
Speaker 5: you have these apartment buildings where a tenant moved out,
Speaker 5: and the landlord just doesn't want to spend ninety or
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand dollars rehabilitating this apartment that's often been
Speaker 5: occupied for forty plus years, and they don't want to
Speaker 5: do the upgrades. They they don't want to spend the
Speaker 5: money on major mitigation. So instead this apartment gets warehoused,
Speaker 5: which means nobody gets to rent it. It contributes to
Speaker 5: the housing shortage in New York City. It stresses the
Speaker 5: finances of those buildings and limits the apartment owner's ability
Speaker 5: to invest other things, things that would benefit the other tenants.
Speaker 5: And it is something that for which there eventually there
Speaker 5: will be a reckoning in New York as more apartments
Speaker 5: get warehoused, as more apartment buildings get pushed into financial
Speaker 5: distress by this law, and at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: the biggest losers are going to be the tenants.
Speaker 2: In New York City. It looks like it did in
Speaker 2: the seventies, where you have burnt out buildings and poverty
Speaker 2: atop of poverty, and it becomes a dystopian nightmare.
Speaker 5: I very much hope that we don't ever ever revisit
Speaker 5: that situation that we saw particular, the Bronx comes to
Speaker 5: mind in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 6: I really hope we don't get there.
Speaker 5: But it is always possible for state policy to result
Speaker 5: in very big problems, especially at the local.
Speaker 2: Level, largely because history always repeats itself. Because we have
Speaker 2: short memories, we don't learn, We don't look at the
Speaker 2: past and go, wow, we got to keep doing We go, well,
Speaker 2: why are we doing that? Why are we doing it? No,
Speaker 2: it's different now, it's really not really that different the model.
Speaker 2: The model still works and the value of socialism historically speaking,
Speaker 2: even though theoretically, you know, theory is one thing you applied,
Speaker 2: it doesn't work. You know, central planning can't allocate resources
Speaker 2: unless you, as you mentioned, you know, there's got to
Speaker 2: be signals from the from the market on what a
Speaker 2: price on something should be. If not, you're gonna have
Speaker 2: shortages and surpluses and mill misallocate. You're gonna have a
Speaker 2: million toilet seats and no toilet papers, which are gonna
Speaker 2: wind up having. And there's no incentive for companies to
Speaker 2: make stuff. We sa again back to the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2: Now you have one one type of car is all
Speaker 2: you have? Well, good, the hot did that work out
Speaker 2: for those vehicles, whether it's in Cuba or whether it's
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union. And Venezuela is another great example oil
Speaker 2: rich high. You know, you can talk about not having resource,
Speaker 2: but Venezuela is an oil is an oil rich nation.
Speaker 2: And you look at what happened there because they nationalize
Speaker 2: the industries, productivity went down. You had seven plus million
Speaker 2: people fleeing and their GDP collapsed. That's why Venezuela is
Speaker 2: in the state that's in right, and that's why I've
Speaker 2: blown up ships off their coast because you know, exporting
Speaker 2: drugs as a you know, front for China is the
Speaker 2: only opportunity that they have and it's an all origination.
Speaker 2: It's it's a shame, it really is.
Speaker 6: Well, next time will be different, Yeah, but you know.
Speaker 2: What, because now we have the Internet and that's the
Speaker 2: game change. We have AI. They didn't have the they
Speaker 2: didn't have the AI back in the nineties. It's going
Speaker 2: to be different this time around.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: The only thing to change was we had yet people
Speaker 2: come of age, be born and not seeing the abject
Speaker 2: poverty and problems with these models, and then they just
Speaker 2: go this seems like a sexy thing because they're buying,
Speaker 2: you know, they're buying something somebody else. Almos like, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't have to work and the state supplies everything.
Speaker 2: Sign me up. Who doesn't want that? It's like crawling
Speaker 2: back in the womb. You don't have to be responsible, accoutable.
Speaker 2: You don't have to hustle or do anything. But if
Speaker 2: if you do, and if you want to, we don't
Speaker 2: have room for you. There's no incentive to do that. Again,
Speaker 2: it's a ken Jerarden. You can read about this at
Speaker 2: Manhattan Institute dot dot com or is it dot org?
Speaker 6: I apologize it's Manhattan dot Institute.
Speaker 2: Manhattan dot Institute.
Speaker 7: There you go.
Speaker 8: So I really.
Speaker 2: It could be the best, the good best, or socialism
Speaker 2: on the husband. Anyway, thanks again, I appreciate it can be.
Speaker 6: Well, thanks for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy went from come on, it's another joke,
Speaker 2: an other socialist. Actually, it looks like he's gonna wind
Speaker 2: up winning, uh the Mayor's office city of New York.
Speaker 2: And that's going to be really interesting considering this anti
Speaker 2: cop and pretty anti capitalism kind of stance on a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff AOC incorporated over there. We'll see how
Speaker 2: it goes. Probably not well, probably rent control is another one.
Speaker 2: I don't see how that works out anyway. We live
Speaker 2: in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana. We don't live in New York City.
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Speaker 7: Where are you right, craziness?
Speaker 2: Where are you with this football team right now?
Speaker 7: The game over the weekend sent me over.
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Speaker 7: I was there.
Speaker 9: I was with my husband, my dad, my uncle. I
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Speaker 9: nine points, might as well be the Bengals defense.
Speaker 2: They put up five hundred plus yards Wednesday. The last
Speaker 2: time they did that was like fifteen years ago when
Speaker 2: they played the Bengals. Last time.
Speaker 7: Unheard of.
Speaker 9: God, I guess on Monday they had a defensive player's
Speaker 9: only meeting to.
Speaker 7: Be a fly on the wall in there. I don't
Speaker 7: know what they accomplished. What are you going to say?
Speaker 2: One wants to step up? Someone needs to be a cump,
Speaker 2: somebody needs No, he's right, that's crazy. Aboudment of your
Speaker 2: team is that you don't have any leaders.
Speaker 9: Trey Hendrickson, What about that guy? Isn't he one of
Speaker 9: the captains but he's not loud? Didn't you name six
Speaker 9: guys as captain?
Speaker 2: You the guy's gonna just start screaming at guys in
Speaker 2: the room. That's what you need. That's a leader.
Speaker 7: When am I going to see Zach Taylor throw a chair?
Speaker 2: You're not.
Speaker 7: I want to see some chair throwing. Come on, get
Speaker 7: pissed off.
Speaker 2: Imagine what Dan Campbell would be doing.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, right, throw a chair?
Speaker 2: You think Tomlin threw some chairs after he got beat
Speaker 2: by the back.
Speaker 9: Yes, we need the Tomlin attitude here in Cincinnati. Sunday
Speaker 9: sent me over. Now it's Wednesday.
Speaker 2: It's so mad. He said, there's a thing. That's how
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor gets fired. He takes a chair and throws
Speaker 2: it through a window, and he gets fired for destroying
Speaker 2: company property because that costs money.
Speaker 7: Exactly, you're losing the jet.
Speaker 2: But he broke a window, calling not such a one
Speaker 2: thousand dollars of that window in that chair was sixty
Speaker 2: nine to ninety eight at IKEA. We're not going to
Speaker 2: have this run a tight budget down here.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 7: That just set them over.
Speaker 9: Oh my god, I'm still not okay, speaking of money,
Speaker 9: season ticket holders not okay. I came across this article
Speaker 9: yesterday from Cincinnati inchoir making its rounds all over social media.
Speaker 9: I've got it on my Twitter x page, outs Sara.
Speaker 9: At least one twenty eight go chime in. The comments
Speaker 9: are so good. At least just read the comments about
Speaker 9: pissed off season ticket members.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: The article is a thank you letter to the Brown
Speaker 7: and Blackburn.
Speaker 9: Family for increasing season ticket pricing for twenty twenty six.
Speaker 9: The example in this article the guy says he's paying
Speaker 9: forty six hundred dollars for nine games now next season
Speaker 9: going up to six thousand dollars six thousand bucks in
Speaker 9: twenty twenty six. He says, when it's twenty twenty two,
Speaker 9: tickets have increased by over two hundred percent. Also, season
Speaker 9: ticket members not happy that their thank you gift is
Speaker 9: a sticker. What a sticker?
Speaker 2: A sticker?
Speaker 7: A sticker?
Speaker 2: What's a sticker? Say, season ticket holder? That's it the
Speaker 2: QR code for VENMO. You can send them more money exactly.
Speaker 9: And I guess season ticket members are not happy because
Speaker 9: they'll go to these like exclusive season ticket member events
Speaker 9: where they're having to pay extra money for things like
Speaker 9: you got to spend extra money to take a pick
Speaker 9: with who day, or to get this little I don't know,
Speaker 9: this extra gift.
Speaker 7: I don't know. I'm not I'm not a season ticket member.
Speaker 9: My dad used to be, and he dropped them before
Speaker 9: the Joe Burrow era because he was so pissed about
Speaker 9: missing the playoffs and spending extra money and the pricing
Speaker 9: going up and having the license for the seat and
Speaker 9: here we go again, so and then.
Speaker 7: Here we go.
Speaker 9: It's like a vicious circle. You know, your quarterback is
Speaker 9: constantly sidelined. You can't get a new defense. The icing
Speaker 9: just keeps going up and then they're getting hounded by
Speaker 9: you know, the sales like, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 9: You're gonna renew what's going on? Otherwise you're going to
Speaker 9: go on a wait list if you ever want to
Speaker 9: get them back.
Speaker 7: But here's the thing. I understand being a sales person
Speaker 7: with a sports team. I used to do it. It's
Speaker 7: a very tough job. So it's not on them. They're
Speaker 7: just trying to get their numbers and.
Speaker 2: They're getting yelled it.
Speaker 9: But yeah, and it sucks though, because they do have
Speaker 9: to be the person that tells you, hey, the pricing
Speaker 9: is going up.
Speaker 2: Do you want the seats?
Speaker 7: Do you want the seats or not? Otherwise you're going
Speaker 7: to go back on a wait list for years.
Speaker 2: See, I think you're looking at it wrong.
Speaker 7: I am, you know what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's why you're looking and why. Here's why angry
Speaker 2: fans are okay, and I get it because they're not happy.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be happy about this. But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: You need to look at this not as hey, it's
Speaker 2: my team, I'm gonna go to every single game. You
Speaker 2: need to look at this if you have the money
Speaker 2: as investment. So let's say for example, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you're looking to see, that's a PSL, right, do the
Speaker 2: PSL personal seat license? In some stadiums they do this,
Speaker 2: and they don't like there's I know that my dad
Speaker 2: had to do it, right, like like like I don't know,
Speaker 2: four grand a seat or something like that, right, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: So I got to lay that out and then look
Speaker 2: at the season tickets and is X dollars a season?
Speaker 2: You know, a couple thousand? Okay, So if you go
Speaker 2: to I don't know, half the home games, can you
Speaker 2: then turn around and sell those tickets on the secondary market?
Speaker 2: The way stadiums are now, they're not doing box office.
Speaker 2: There's no such thing as a box office. It's all
Speaker 2: secondary market. It's all hub. It's the NFL. The NFL
Speaker 2: does it whatever, right, So you got to look at
Speaker 2: that and go, all right, I put the money out.
Speaker 2: If I sold tickets to these games like the Steelers
Speaker 2: or Casey or whoever's coming to town, can I make
Speaker 2: up in those three or four games? Can I make
Speaker 2: up the difference and actually make money off the season ticket?
Speaker 7: Okayt members that do that and they lose.
Speaker 2: Money, Okay, that's because it's the Bengals.
Speaker 7: They came in negative last year by five thousand bucks.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. So you got to look at that
Speaker 2: as an investment, going, hey can I make money by
Speaker 2: selling this to whatever team travels?
Speaker 8: Well? Right?
Speaker 7: Like you do that the like look at the Lions fans.
Speaker 7: They took over our stadium, so.
Speaker 2: You're going to get some of that money back. So
Speaker 2: it offsets that cost of being a fan.
Speaker 7: Well, and everything obviously went up when we did get
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2: And you look at it as a fan, go, no,
Speaker 2: I want to go to all the home games, and
Speaker 2: then you're miserable about it. And I'm not saying not
Speaker 2: buy the tickets, but you know it's set up like now,
Speaker 2: it's more of investment going hey can I get some
Speaker 2: of this money back and make I may lose my money.
Speaker 7: I think most people come back in the negatives.
Speaker 2: They're not in to make money. But it off racks
Speaker 2: considerably that investment.
Speaker 9: Yeah, because once you do get rid of them, you
Speaker 9: have to go back on a wait list to get them,
Speaker 9: is what the sales rep I guess is saying.
Speaker 2: And if you're new a fan, quit looking at it
Speaker 2: as a oh I'm a fan, super fan I need
Speaker 2: to go to every game. No, you need to look
Speaker 2: at as an investment.
Speaker 7: You can be both things.
Speaker 9: You can be a super fan and you can also
Speaker 9: be mad about the rising cost and get rid of
Speaker 9: your season tickets. Yep, it doesn't go against your fandom.
Speaker 9: I mean, just because I'm going to stay at home
Speaker 9: this Sunday and watch the game on tea doesn't make
Speaker 9: me less of a fan.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.
Speaker 7: Saying this is too expensive.
Speaker 9: I did get on tickpic this morning just to look
Speaker 9: at what it's going to be against the Bears this Sunday.
Speaker 7: It's like two fifty for the end zone coming down
Speaker 7: to and are they I guess so it's an easy drugs.
Speaker 2: They're not like Cubs fans, and they're rabbit about that.
Speaker 9: I mean, the Bears aren't too bad of a team
Speaker 9: four and three. It's worth a travel. I've got a
Speaker 9: couple of friends that are making the trips.
Speaker 2: So sure enough, selling your tickets for three hund or
Speaker 2: whatever it is, and you know you offset that cost
Speaker 2: a little bit more. You're right, it's an investment, it.
Speaker 10: Is, and it is.
Speaker 9: It's very expensive to go to a game. I mean
Speaker 9: you pay for the parking and then you get a
Speaker 9: I mean, it's a seven hundred day, seven hundred dollars
Speaker 9: day out.
Speaker 2: It sucks charging the season ticket holders though, to have
Speaker 2: their picture taket with the mascot is that's insulting.
Speaker 9: And that's what the article on Inquire is saying, go
Speaker 9: check it out. The guy who's saying yeah, like you know,
Speaker 9: the company the Christmas party, they're you know, they're wanting
Speaker 9: money to take a pic with who Day with the
Speaker 9: Santa and all that.
Speaker 7: I mean, whatever, that makes no sense.
Speaker 2: This is really interesting because there's no one more positive
Speaker 2: outside of seg on this radio station about Cincinnati sports teams.
Speaker 7: But you always try to stay positive.
Speaker 2: But Sunday she's been a hundred right now because you're like, look,
Speaker 2: I go to all the games. You know, I'm taking pictures,
Speaker 2: I got my all stuff, I'm supportive, I'm doing and
Speaker 2: if you Sarah lease.
Speaker 7: You got really ross, You've really lozed.
Speaker 9: And I won't be there on Sunday. I have a
Speaker 9: reason for that. I will be out of down. But
Speaker 9: it is getting ridiculously expensive to be there.
Speaker 2: It's always just going to get more expensive every year.
Speaker 9: Yes, and again that's why my dad dropped his stuff too,
Speaker 9: and I don't blame him. So ticket price is going
Speaker 9: up for twenty twenty six. That is something trending on
Speaker 9: social media.
Speaker 2: Good good time to do that. When your team sucks,
Speaker 2: and I mean Joe Burrow, somebody's fine. The offense did great,
Speaker 2: the running game was great.
Speaker 7: Offense is not the problem. The thirty eight points. That
Speaker 7: should be an easy.
Speaker 2: Waiting for Joe Burrow to come. Well, if Joe Burrow
Speaker 2: comes back, somebody said, well yesterday talk about how they
Speaker 2: should go and get Brendon Sorosby and Trent coach him up.
Speaker 2: It's like, that's the dumbest d every.
Speaker 7: Can you play defense?
Speaker 2: If Flacco's fine, he's doing fine.
Speaker 7: Blaco is great.
Speaker 9: Flacco looked great on Sunday, he looked great the week before.
Speaker 9: He looked great in Lambeau. The play calling, then you
Speaker 9: look at that in that final strength. It's not on Flacco.
Speaker 7: Why are you going up the middle?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Yoshibash couldn't catch a cold. At this point.
Speaker 7: I love Yoshi, No you don't. I love him as
Speaker 7: a person.
Speaker 2: I don't care about great dude, he's Cincinnati, but he's
Speaker 2: such a good guy.
Speaker 9: And that's what that's what people were saying about Zach
Speaker 9: Taylor a great guy, wonderful family man, super nice.
Speaker 7: But I don't want nice anymore. I want wins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want wins. Go ahead, and you know what,
Speaker 2: if you want to add to the crime problem in Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: go ahead, as long as you win.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: So the trade deadline is.
Speaker 2: I don't care, but you're asked better be there on Sunday.
Speaker 9: Trade deadline is Tuesday. I don't know what they're gonna do,
Speaker 9: if anything.
Speaker 2: What do you think they're going to do?
Speaker 7: Nothing? Nothing, nothing.
Speaker 2: We've got. We're good enough to win. It's just we
Speaker 2: need someone to step up. You drafted guys who don't
Speaker 2: step up. That's the problem.
Speaker 7: I don't get it. What has Shamar Stewart done for
Speaker 7: this team?
Speaker 2: Nothing to be done. That's starting to look like a
Speaker 2: boss now. He's still young. It's only a few games.
Speaker 7: But I did two and a half tackles and college
Speaker 7: and then nothing went down Game two and then getting
Speaker 7: coached up.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but it ain't good.
Speaker 7: This defense is really it's horrible, not good, horrible.
Speaker 9: Speaking of bad news for the defense, Trey Hendrickson is
Speaker 9: day to day back with that hip injury, that's definitely.
Speaker 9: We saw him go out before halftime. Day to day
Speaker 9: it's three henderckson a waste of money.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you don't know when guy get hurt.
Speaker 2: That's not fair.
Speaker 9: I understand that. But can we say that he's injury prone. Well,
Speaker 9: there's a lot of money for that guy that we
Speaker 9: really haven't seen much out of. And guess what when
Speaker 9: he was on the sidelines during that Steelers game, they
Speaker 9: still managed to win.
Speaker 2: Have you got me slit my wrist? You got any
Speaker 2: good news? I love crapping on the Bengals a year.
Speaker 2: Hey night, that's a game.
Speaker 7: We're moving on.
Speaker 9: I did I watch it the entire time. Dankee is
Speaker 9: king with twelve minutes left to go, I was so excited.
Speaker 9: Hopefully they can go and get it done this Sunday
Speaker 9: and Columbus.
Speaker 7: I have all the faith in the world and this
Speaker 7: team please bring us home a drove.
Speaker 2: They were all over them and they should have six
Speaker 2: goals and they just couldn't find And finally they dominated.
Speaker 7: That game over Columbus really did. It was great. It
Speaker 7: was great.
Speaker 2: Eventually they go in but on Columbus that fought pretty well.
Speaker 7: How many games away until the final. I guess five.
Speaker 7: They have to get five like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully you go to Columbus on what Sunday night,
Speaker 2: Sunday night and beat them there and then you don't
Speaker 2: have to play that third. You don't want to go
Speaker 2: to a third.
Speaker 7: Game, exactly.
Speaker 2: I don't shoot off for the longest time. I hate
Speaker 2: the idea of going to a shootout.
Speaker 7: But I think that they have to do that during
Speaker 7: regular season games. That's something that you want to do.
Speaker 2: But don't they do that in the playoffs too? Don't
Speaker 2: they go to a Yeah, they go to like a kid,
Speaker 2: they go directly to that. Oh, I think that's terrible.
Speaker 7: I just don't like the ending in a tie thing.
Speaker 2: Especially in the playoffs. Right, you can't do that, you know,
Speaker 2: It's like hockey, sudden death overtime is great speaking of
Speaker 2: falls over dead because I.
Speaker 7: Know we don't have a whole lot of time left.
Speaker 7: We're trying to keep it positive.
Speaker 9: Let's go our Cincinnati Cyclones are back tomorrow night, and
Speaker 9: it's it's a very special night.
Speaker 7: Why because I'm going to be the sirens and I'll
Speaker 7: have a very special guest with me.
Speaker 2: Okay, a sirens sound like can you imitate the siren
Speaker 2: in exactly saying that's what she sounds like to her
Speaker 2: husband all the time too. That's the best part. I
Speaker 2: don't know all I hear.
Speaker 7: I told you I'm spicy today. Okay, I gotta get over.
Speaker 2: There's a special guest the sirens.
Speaker 6: Hander.
Speaker 9: You have to be there to find out. Trey Hendrickson, No,
Speaker 9: his hip bothers him, sure a lot. We don't need
Speaker 9: him to pull a hip while he's moving the siren.
Speaker 7: And it won't be Joe Flacco because he's day to
Speaker 7: day with a shoulder injury.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you can't even get past it.
Speaker 9: But less than one hundred and fifty days until opening day,
Speaker 9: all right? Oh and they found out who did the
Speaker 9: Marty statue vandalism.
Speaker 7: Yeah, a thirteen year old child.
Speaker 9: At thirteen year old boy at three o'clock in the
Speaker 9: afternoon on.
Speaker 2: Saturday, I had money engine boden my CPD sources said
Speaker 2: they found a little hunkle other paints.
Speaker 7: What do you do with the thirteen year old kid?
Speaker 7: He doesn't go to jail.
Speaker 2: He did it, and like he tried to fix it.
Speaker 10: He did.
Speaker 7: He's probably like, oh crap, that mic just came off
Speaker 7: the stand.
Speaker 2: I didn't see them, and then he ran off. I
Speaker 2: didn't see the whole video. Did he intentionally try to
Speaker 2: bend the mic or was he trying to It's.
Speaker 7: Kind of hard to tell the footage on so grainy.
Speaker 7: What did Marty say? That mic is about as strong
Speaker 7: as the Bengals defense.
Speaker 6: Let me tell you, Shouldering.
Speaker 10: A lot more bothered Trump and had the National Guard
Speaker 10: gen My god, I thought, so too, Will you start
Speaker 10: to facing my likeness? No, that's when we got a
Speaker 10: real get them damn shoulders down TOEW. I don't know
Speaker 10: what the hell they're doing down here.
Speaker 7: It wasn't the sweat out they said they're gonna be
Speaker 7: out from two to ten.
Speaker 2: Sniper.
Speaker 9: Where was the swat snipers around the Marty's just now
Speaker 9: we're going to have security around this thing that's glued
Speaker 9: to the wall.
Speaker 2: You are clear to take the headshot. Clear. They do
Speaker 2: what you want to. Fountain Square. You can do what
Speaker 2: you want to. Crime running rampant, but don't you deface
Speaker 2: the Hall of Famers.
Speaker 7: Don't disrespect my guy.
Speaker 2: Don't do it. That bronze is etched in bronze. Sarah
Speaker 2: release the Snart report this morning. Any very dismal, depressing.
Speaker 7: Please get it done this weekend.
Speaker 9: Please go get the win against the Bears, because then
Speaker 9: they go to the by and then the schedule doesn't
Speaker 9: get any easier.
Speaker 7: It any easy.
Speaker 2: I'm loose to the Jets. I don't get it. I
Speaker 2: don't know what to expect Sunday. I really don't, but
Speaker 2: I'll watch.
Speaker 9: That's what I have no prediction. To ask me about
Speaker 9: a score, because I have no idea. I could have
Speaker 9: never predicted thirty nine to thirty eight would be the
Speaker 9: final against the Jets and seven Jets now the one
Speaker 9: and seven.
Speaker 2: One and seven, congratulations. Cincinnati is that team.
Speaker 9: If anyone's going to get those stats up for other teams,
Speaker 9: it's definitely going to be our defense.
Speaker 2: They always optimistic. Sarah, release that siren.
Speaker 8: Go again.
Speaker 9: Come to the Cyclones game seven thirty puck job tomorrow.
Speaker 9: You will hear the siren for yourself and see my
Speaker 9: special guest in person.
Speaker 2: Okay. The scary part about this, I wonder do people
Speaker 2: with with what's going on downtown when when people hear
Speaker 2: that siren, do they just do they hide under the seat,
Speaker 2: think twitch a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 7: Like I promise you it's a very pleasant but the
Speaker 7: police definitely not.
Speaker 2: Or cat and heat. I don't know what's going on
Speaker 2: over here.
Speaker 7: Honestly, that was not a bad impression.
Speaker 2: There's cats lining up at the door right now. They
Speaker 2: want to make you.
Speaker 7: I just looked, sure, I gotta get out of here.
Speaker 2: She looked at the door.
Speaker 7: That's just really lingering.
Speaker 2: I'm here now with a soup. I need soup taken.
Speaker 7: More calls that I By the way, those calls are entertaining.
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