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Speaker 2: Blocks do in a city all? If anything, it's not boring.

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Speaker 2: We have the police chief controversy. We have a contentious

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Speaker 2: hearing yesterday on food trucks as somehow having a role

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Speaker 2: in the violence downtown. You know, if you just have

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Speaker 2: feeding people, then the violence goes away. Maybe there's something

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Speaker 2: there with Snap. I don't know. She's council member Anna

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Speaker 2: Olby on the show on seven hundred Wow, and she's

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Speaker 2: in a very tight council racers. Three thousand people running

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Speaker 2: for the handful of seats left, and it's going to

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Speaker 2: be musical chairs in just a few days. For sure, Anna,

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Speaker 2: welcome back. How are you?

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Speaker 3: I thinks I appreciate it? And three thousand might be

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Speaker 3: a little bit too high.

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Speaker 2: On the feels like I'm bad at math I'm bad

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Speaker 2: at the maths, but it feels like three. We'll just

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Speaker 2: go three thousand. Let's start with this, the snap hearing.

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Speaker 2: The commissioners did this yesterday. You were there, I saw

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Speaker 2: you on camera. Wave to you. But any way back,

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Speaker 2: that's fine. What is the city's role to help with

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Speaker 2: the really? What can the city do if indeed, on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: SNAP benefits go away for one in eight people in

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Speaker 2: Handlin County, which is also Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for this. Let me just start by laying

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Speaker 3: out the state of where we are. I don't know

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Speaker 3: how many your listeners actually watched that, but the county

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Speaker 3: shared yesterday some of the numbers. So across the county,

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Speaker 3: we have over fifty three thousand adults and over forty

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Speaker 3: three thousand children who are benefiting from SNAPS every month.

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Speaker 3: So when we think about this Saturday, those benefits are

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Speaker 3: not going to be available. And across the county that

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Speaker 3: represents over nineteen million dollars of food assistant benefits, and

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Speaker 3: I know for the city of Cincinnati that's over twenty

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Speaker 3: nine thousand households. So this is a real crisis moment

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Speaker 3: where families, according to the head of Freestore Food Bank,

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Speaker 3: they get nine out of ten meals with their SNAP

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Speaker 3: benefits and Freestore other local pantries only be one out

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Speaker 3: of ten. Right, So we're about to lose funding for

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Speaker 3: nine one ten meals for these these thousands. Is incredible people, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a true crisis.

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Speaker 2: I had kurt rye Arond from free store on Monday Show,

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Speaker 2: and he he's concerned. I mean, he couldn't really say,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, you know, we don't we're going to do.

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Speaker 2: It's like, hey, listen, you know we have some reserves.

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Speaker 2: We're going to lean on the local communities and trying

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Speaker 2: to get more out of our vendors. And also, uh,

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Speaker 2: we may have to start instead of once a month,

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Speaker 2: we have to do twice a month. So the demand's

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Speaker 2: going to increase even more, putting in a ready strain.

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Speaker 2: But and think about it heading to the holiday season here,

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Speaker 2: with Thanksgiving and then Christmas coming up, the really busy

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Speaker 2: time in the winter, when people are colder. Uh, people

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Speaker 2: are cold and hungry. It's going to put a strain

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Speaker 2: already on an overstrained system.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: I'm really really worried about what this means when families,

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Speaker 3: you know, are looking at their budget and now they

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Speaker 3: this is going to make impossible, you know, impossible decisions.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't know either.

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Speaker 2: I wish I wish Washington would just go Look, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we made our point let's let's end this thing and

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Speaker 2: work towards compromise. But it's not about people. It's about politics,

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Speaker 2: and that's what Washington, that's what politics has become. It's

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Speaker 3: I one hundred percent agreed. Right, Ultimately, this is a

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Speaker 3: federal government problem, and we need the federal government to

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Speaker 3: solve it. And so yesterday you heard it from the

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Speaker 3: county commissioners, and I agree, we should have our wallmakers

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Speaker 3: in Washington at the table talking about how do we

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Speaker 3: come up with some type of emergencies to beat for snap.

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Speaker 3: You know, they were able to dig up three hundred

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Speaker 3: something for snaps? But instead, we've got a president who's

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Speaker 2: So you need Congress to do that, right, I mean

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Speaker 2: the point of you know, this is a debate outside

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Speaker 2: our scope here in the city because you can't control

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Speaker 2: subsidies and how things are handed out, and that's really

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Speaker 2: because the problem is healthcare is way out of control.

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Speaker 2: And I'll be let's pivot a little bit here to

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Speaker 2: the food truck hearing now when this happened. To bring

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Speaker 2: refresh my memory on this one. I got lots to

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Speaker 2: so sure long and her wisdom said, you know what,

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Speaker 2: We're just going to omnissue an edict that says, now

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Speaker 2: we've got to shut the food trucks down at eleven PM,

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Speaker 2: which I took a great issue with. It's like, well,

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Speaker 2: they're there to feed people, you're there to police and

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Speaker 2: I should be able to get that from a street

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Speaker 3: I agree? To be clear, I agree, and I think

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Speaker 3: just to clarify again, the decision to change the closed

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Speaker 3: and that's the separate issues. But food trucks are small businesses.

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Speaker 3: And to your point, I think if someone is coming

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Speaker 3: or their hamburger whatever like that. And we want the

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Speaker 3: we want the city to have a lively nightlife, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think Mordecai Black would have not murdered

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to get into that part, but

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Speaker 3: There's one part of what is the data showing that

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Speaker 3: what is the impact economically on these small businesses?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 3: And I was really disappointed to hear that the city

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Speaker 3: small business owners the bars, right. And Vice Mayor Kearney

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Speaker 3: I just I was very frustrated about and hopefully in

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Speaker 2: This isn't sure along correct, this is all on her.

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Speaker 3: This is a city administration working. I mean, I know

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Speaker 3: synthetic police was also part of part of the decision making,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how does a curfew impact then?

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Speaker 3: Great question because I see I do see this as

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Speaker 3: Curfew hookah bars, now we're closing food trucks right back

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Speaker 3: to that vibrant feed downtown, right. We don't want downtown

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Speaker 3: So I do think there is a real question to

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Speaker 3: those businesses? Right, We've got too many restaurants going out

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Speaker 3: of business. So how can we help them? How can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I appreciate the work the hustle here.

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Speaker 2: know some long those are maybe I just specialized in

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Speaker 2: doing some really good food. I can get the wheels,

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Speaker 2: I get the kitchen, I get the health permit, fire inspection.

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Speaker 2: You get all that done, and then I turn around,

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Speaker 2: and now the city goes, well, now you got to

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Speaker 2: close at eleven. Well, you know, I would imagine from

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Speaker 2: eleven to two or three am, that's you're probably making

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Speaker 2: a concert, whatever it might be. That that's where you're

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Speaker 2: we can't control violence. It's a separate issue.

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Speaker 3: I think these are separate issues exactly, And that's why

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Speaker 3: show me the relationships here. You know, I can appreciate

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Speaker 2: Then why do we have street festivals? Why why do

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Speaker 3: It's not happening exactly, And especially as I know Cincinnati is.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're being very polite, council Member Albe, and that's saying, well,

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Speaker 2: they took a big swing here. No, it's incompetence, is

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Speaker 3: Here's what I can say. I know the administration over

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Speaker 2: And this is all these of course of the termination

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm definitely out there talking to our voters, and

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Speaker 3: You know what I think about what a safe community

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Speaker 2: A council member, I'll be I wish you all the

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Speaker 2: best between now an election day, I really do, and

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Speaker 3: Thanks much, take care, good.

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Speaker 2: Luck, all the best. Scott Sloan Show with news in

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Speaker 2: just minutes on seven hundred WLW. Scott's Sloan Show here

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Speaker 2: on seven hundred WW. Welcome to got lots going on

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Speaker 2: in this wet Wednesday morning, but week's half over. It's

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Speaker 2: all good. Thanks again to council member. And I'll be

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Speaker 2: if we could just get the Democrats to admit they're wrong.

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Speaker 2: do is force them Tom, they're both wrong. Is that

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Speaker 2: you sit down. He made your point, Now figure it out,

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Speaker 2: fix it, And I get it. We know we're just

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Speaker 2: We got to subsidize. We've got a subsett we need

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Speaker 2: food or healthcare. It's this much. But here's a coupon

434
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Speaker 2: for eighty percent off fifty percent. Great, But who's paying

435
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Speaker 2: for that? Well, we all are. So we're just borrowing

436
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Speaker 2: more money we don't have. We have a thirty eight

437
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Speaker 2: trillion dollar deficit, and there's complicity there. The other side

438
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Speaker 2: of it is, and I've yet to hear an argument

439
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Speaker 2: from Republicans, is the how you fix healthcare? Because we

440
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Speaker 2: are in benefit season right now, it's time to make

441
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Speaker 2: those tough decisions. See how much more you're going to

442
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Speaker 2: cause it's going to come out of your check for

443
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Speaker 2: how less coverage you're going to wind up doing. And

444
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Speaker 2: it's not because you know your evil corporate overlords want

445
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Speaker 2: it that way. It's the way the system it's jacked up.

446
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Speaker 2: You know, if we don't like a THEACA, if we

447
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Speaker 2: don't like affordable care, if a legal of subsidy, you

448
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Speaker 2: have the power controlling both sides, both the House and

449
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Speaker 2: the Senate and the Presidency, to be able to maybe

450
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Speaker 2: implement something to fix it. So give me a plan.

451
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Speaker 2: Say what you all about subsidies, which I hate, but

452
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Speaker 2: it does something for people. If it's broken, it doesn't work,

453
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Speaker 2: and subsidies are terrible, then then come up with a

454
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Speaker 2: way to fix the healthcare system. And yet what do

455
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Speaker 2: we do we have My side is right, your side

456
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Speaker 2: is wrong. We have a government that is not functioning.

457
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Speaker 2: We have a Congress that can't pass a budget. They

458
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Speaker 2: have one job. And in my lifetime now there have

459
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Speaker 2: been two times where we've balanced the budget. We haven't

460
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Speaker 2: been able to do that. The other three thousand years

461
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Speaker 2: I've been alive. Not good, not good. To blame. Well,

462
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Speaker 2: Trump's out in the dead in another country, and it's

463
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Speaker 2: not on Trump, it's on Congress. Now, can he say

464
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Speaker 2: something that maybe encourage Yeah, I guess, but again that's

465
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Speaker 2: you're not understanding. The most basic sense of government is

466
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Speaker 2: it is the United States Congress, and when they don't

467
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Speaker 2: do stuff, then what happens is we give all the

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Speaker 2: power to the president, either Biden or in this case Trump,

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Speaker 2: and he uses his pen and executive power to write

470
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Speaker 2: an executive order when Congress should be doing this stuff. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I get it. You made your point. Time to probably

472
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Speaker 2: pass another continuing resolution, kick the can down the road

473
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Speaker 2: for another and shut it down in seven weeks we'll

474
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Speaker 2: have this conversation again. It's exhausting, is what it is.

475
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Speaker 2: Relative to Anna Albey, And I think it's interesting now

476
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Speaker 2: we have more evidence here of the incompetence of sheer

477
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Speaker 2: Along in particular. And I would say, after Tod pure

478
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Speaker 2: vol put them in the same boat. And if I'm

479
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Speaker 2: a if are in council right now, like I don't,

480
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Speaker 2: I'll be I would not be as genteel as she was,

481
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Speaker 2: uh and worried about party politics and kissing the ring

482
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Speaker 2: and everything else, because after to have puervoal is going

483
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Speaker 2: to cost somebody their seat. Now he's going to wind

484
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Speaker 2: up getting re elected. Could I be wrong, absolutely been

485
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Speaker 2: wrong before. But if you look at the fundraising, if

486
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Speaker 2: you look at the power of the incumbency and everything else,

487
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Speaker 2: and it's not an insult of all the Corey Bowman,

488
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Speaker 2: then Corey's a great guy. He's got some decent ideas.

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Speaker 2: But being a pastor who is related to JD. Vance

490
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Speaker 2: in deep, deep blue Cincinnati is not good. There's baggage already.

491
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Speaker 2: People are going to pay attention, people are just going

492
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Speaker 2: to tune them out instantly, and so by default I

493
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Speaker 2: have to have wins. Could I be wrong? Could we

494
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Speaker 2: have the huge upset? Sure one hundred percent. Is it possible,

495
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Speaker 2: But it's unlikely. I think what's more likely are how

496
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Speaker 2: voters respond relative to the city council. It feels like,

497
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Speaker 2: you know, I can't change that with AFTAB, but I

498
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Speaker 2: sure as hell can change the makeup of counsel, and

499
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Speaker 2: probably for the better. So I don't understand if you

500
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Speaker 2: are one of these folks, and maybe it's for office

501
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Speaker 2: later on down the line, or another appointment or something

502
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Speaker 2: like that, if you kiss the ring, you get that.

503
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Speaker 2: Maybe that's part of politics, I guess is if you

504
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Speaker 2: are the good soldier, you'll get rewarded. Somewhere along the line.

505
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Speaker 2: But in the short term, you're out of a job.

506
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Speaker 2: I just think voters are pissed off enough to start

507
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Speaker 2: holding people accountable. If it can't be Aftab, maybe it's

508
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Speaker 2: someone else on counsel. That's unfortunate, because I think we've

509
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Speaker 2: got some good and a few people that maybe not

510
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Speaker 2: so good on counsel will probably have to go anyway.

511
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Speaker 2: But nonetheless, we have this new story out yesterday and

512
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Speaker 2: the choir regarding what transpired right before share Long fired

513
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Speaker 2: chief Thiji. No, she's not fired, she's just done paid

514
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Speaker 2: administrative leave. Okay. Well, you named an interim superintendent in

515
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Speaker 2: Adam Haney. Okay, So if you name someone in interim

516
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Speaker 2: head coach, that means you're waiting for the next head

517
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Speaker 2: coach to come along. If you're acting head coach, you're

518
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Speaker 2: waiting for the person who's the coach to come back

519
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Speaker 2: or get better or whatever it is the reason they

520
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Speaker 2: took leave in the first place. So right away, you're

521
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Speaker 2: telling me that she's fired, even without saying she's fired.

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Speaker 2: So this email comes out on August fifteenth, I'm sure

523
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Speaker 2: along to Thiji, and it mandated that all communications external

524
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Speaker 2: meetings announcements have to be clear through the city manager's

525
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Speaker 2: office because she needs to save face because it's a

526
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Speaker 2: bad look. You caught me off guard when you said

527
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Speaker 2: you want to be on a task force to the

528
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Speaker 2: Hamlin County Police Chiefs Association and Tim Holloway to address

529
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Speaker 2: the revolving justice system, because the problem here, one of

530
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Speaker 2: the problems is the justice system. We know how drunk

531
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Speaker 2: and broke it is, where we have judges that are

532
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Speaker 2: taking people with very serious charges against them and giving

533
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Speaker 2: them better for the doubt that they they're going to

534
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Speaker 2: show back up to court, that they're going to go

535
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Speaker 2: talk to their probation officer and get a job and

536
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: all these things, and then they turn around and pick

537
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Speaker 2: up a gun that's probably the almost the same gun

538
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Speaker 2: that they got in trouble with in the first place,

539
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Speaker 2: and go on commit even worse crimes. And we have

540
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Speaker 2: a steady drum beat of that for a long time,

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Speaker 2: but especially this summer. That is a reasonable thing for

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Speaker 2: a chief to do to go, hey, listen, my men

543
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Speaker 2: and women that didn't move line. The officers of the

544
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Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati, Hamlin County Sheriff's Department. We got a

545
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Speaker 2: problem here because we're catching people, we're apprehending them, we're

546
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Speaker 2: giving you the charges. Prosecuted does what they do, and

547
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: the judge simply says, well, these are just these are criminals,

548
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Speaker 2: but they're victims too, when we have to treat them

549
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Speaker 2: like they're victims, which is the mentality I think from

550
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Speaker 2: progressives largely, whether it's in the bench or whether it's

551
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Speaker 2: the city manager and the mayor of the city of Cincinnati,

552
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: and so again, more worried about optics, more worried about

553
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: being caught off guard, and more worried about how things

554
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 2: look the perception is, rather than your safety. You know,

555
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: we're more worried about how we look to the wrestler. Well,

556
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: when that video splashed with it beat down in July,

557
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Speaker 2: the hell we look to the rest of the world.

558
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Speaker 2: I was halfway around the rest of the world in

559
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Speaker 2: Australia and that was on the news. I turned on

560
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Speaker 2: the TV. Michelle's getting ready, We're gonna go to dinner,

561
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Speaker 2: last few days of our trip, our bucket list trip,

562
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Speaker 2: and I'm watching this violence. I'm looking at it going on.

563
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Speaker 2: It looks horrible. I wonder if that's Chicago or is

564
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Speaker 2: it La Is it Nope? Is a point, it's got

565
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Speaker 2: to be Portland that looks like Nope, Cincinnati, Ohio, Holy crap,

566
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Speaker 2: Holy crap. Here we go. So the optics are, you're

567
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Speaker 2: not doing your job and that's the problem. Wh You're

568
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: all worried about how things look. You're not focused on

569
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Speaker 2: the important stuff. So she goes at THEIJI and says,

570
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: there's some challenges messaging. It can cause in confusion, and

571
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: we got to be united on safety and messaging. And

572
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 2: now we just hired Frost Brown Todd at what forty

573
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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars to come up with reasons why we

574
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Speaker 2: fired Chief Thiji after we fired her is to justify

575
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Speaker 2: that behavior. And it may take months. It's going to

576
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Speaker 2: take well after the election, that's for sure. Maybe by

577
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Speaker 2: the first of the year we'll have an answer on

578
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Speaker 2: this thing. About the same time we'll have and answer

579
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Speaker 2: as to what the hell happened in July twenty six

580
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Speaker 2: with the street beatdown. No word about that either, by

581
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: the way normally stuff comes out, there's no we're not

582
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: hearing a word about that because there's an election to

583
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Speaker 2: be one, damn it. Nonetheless, it doesn't this undermine the

584
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Speaker 2: money that you're spending already with this law firm. One

585
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 2: may ask, because what you're trying to do is come

586
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 2: up to the reason why you fire Chief Thigi. And

587
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 2: Chief Thigi says, well, listen, there's nothing in my jacket.

588
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: I've been here thirty five, thirty six years. There's just

589
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 2: a significant You have no cause to fire me. You

590
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: don't need cause with a contract, but there's no cause.

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Speaker 6: There.

592
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Speaker 2: Give me a reason why my incompetence. I did something wrong.

593
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Speaker 2: I was stealing money, I was paying an officers, I

594
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: was doing something illegal. If not, I'm doing something that

595
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: is against my code of conduct. Here, I'm not doing

596
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: There's more I could be doing relative to policing. What

597
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 2: is that woman not doing is a question. And the

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00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: new of the interim chief how much different is he

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00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: than Thiji? And the idea here is well, we've got

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Speaker 2: to separate Chief Thegi's behavior of our policies. We've got

601
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Speaker 2: to look for the behavior of Chiefdiji to justify firing her,

602
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: and that's what we're looking for here. Well, this doesn't

603
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: help that case, does it, Because now if this memo

604
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: comes out, if this leak's ount and City ser Long

605
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: is saying, well, listen, we got to rein you in,

606
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 2: you're going off the reservation. Now we've got to control

607
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: all your communications and meetings and announcement. It's got to

608
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: be cleared through my office. Not not like, hey, let

609
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Speaker 2: me know it's gone to but cleared. I have to

610
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Speaker 2: approve who you're meeting with, who you're talking to, what

611
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: you're thinking, and what you're about to say. Doesn't that

612
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: look to you like the chief or any chief or

613
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: any administrative leader in our city doesn't have autonomy that

614
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: the mayor and the city manager under the mayor are

615
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 2: dictating policy. Doesn't that undermine that money that you, the taxpayers,

616
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Speaker 2: are spending on this law firm to find out reasons

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Speaker 2: why we're looking for something anything to blame Terry Thigi

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Speaker 2: for to justify her dismissal. And then you come out

619
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Speaker 2: in this and I think this helps Terry Thief a lot,

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Speaker 2: and I think there's a reason why this this was

621
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: leaked out. But nonetheless, Long said, any outreach or contact

622
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: with elected officials must go through the city director's Government

623
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Speaker 2: Affairs office. So she can't talk, she can't think, she

624
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: can't do it. She has no autonomy to kind of,

625
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: you know, press some levers and make some noise in

626
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Speaker 2: order to police the way she sees fit. That totally

627
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: underminds that argument, I think. So she's on administrative leave.

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Speaker 2: And then the other thing that comes out of this email,

629
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Speaker 2: which I think is really funny, and Willie, you'll probably

630
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Speaker 2: be talking more. As the timeline with this is, we

631
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Speaker 2: get the Fountain Square shooting downtown on October thirteenth, and

632
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: there's growing public concerns, as you know, to everything from

633
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Speaker 2: Patrick Hairringer to the viral fight and everything else. So

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Speaker 2: two days later, after the Fountain Square thing, she leaves

635
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Speaker 2: for Denver, or maybe the night before she left for Denver,

636
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Speaker 2: Terry Thiji for this conference. So two days past at

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Speaker 2: nine twenty six am, Fiji emails sheer Along and the

638
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Speaker 2: HR director about payroll issue. She mentions in the communication

639
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Speaker 2: it's her thirty sixth anniversary with the city and said

640
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: I can't stay forever here forever, so I just want

641
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: to plan. No one knows what that means, and so

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00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 2: Long and the HR director say, well, we'll meet about

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Speaker 2: this particular staffing issue. Payroll describe maybe it's her payroll,

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Speaker 2: I don't know whatever. That's in the morning. By the afternoon, sure,

645
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Speaker 2: Long texts Terry Thiji, who's at this police conference in Denver,

646
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: saying call me, call me at one seventeen, call me.

647
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 2: Terry's in a car on a way the conference's got

648
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: another chiefs in the vehicle and says, well, can I

649
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: wait till I get back to the hotel, And didn't

650
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: get a response other than maybe no. But at that

651
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: point she also, I'm guessing she realized what's going on.

652
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: She got a statement from the Reds praising her for

653
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: her work and trying to fight crime downtown and sends

654
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: that to share a long and about this time here

655
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WWT, it's the afternoon, Willie is on

656
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: at about one o'clock in the afternoon, and how fast

657
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: world travels is evidence in this too. Is about the

658
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: time that Sharon Long is about to call Terry Thigi

659
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: back and write her question. She'd come back from Denver.

660
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: The word has already gotten out that Terry Thigi is

661
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: coming back to be fired. Remember that happened? Is like

662
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: they've called the chief back. She needs to get back

663
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: as an urgent concern. Fiji then mentions back to shar

664
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: Long because she's in Denver. She said, well, I much

665
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: have mentioned like I don't know, are you hearing anything

666
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: out there? She said, I hadn't gotten any calls. Maybe

667
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: WLW being typical dramatic, is what Terry Thigi said. And

668
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that as a reaction to us here on

669
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: this radio station, particularly Bill Cunningham talking about what's happening

670
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: with Terry Thigi, Like the words already spreading because Terry knew,

671
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: and if Terry knew, other people who know, because she's

672
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: probably gonna maybe talk to some people about and say,

673
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: they're calling me back from Denver, what the hell's going

674
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: on in the city. I think that's a reasonable thing,

675
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: like what happened. Now, it's been two days since the

676
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: Fountain Square shooting. We have something else going on. I

677
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: got to come back. What's happening? And someone said, no,

678
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: there's nothing going on there, just summoning you back, which

679
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: then would indicate you're about to get fired. You don't

680
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: call someone back in for no reason whatsoever. Going well,

681
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: we've got some man, we've got some leadership things we

682
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: got to talk about. But I'm at a conference. I

683
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: can't wait. No, you need to come back right now. So,

684
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: of course word travels fast, and the word gets out

685
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: that and you Willie was right, we're not being dramatic.

686
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: You got fired. And then there's some other tacks saying,

687
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: in light of the recent high profile incident and heighten

688
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: public attention surrounding it, we need you back in town

689
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: in the earliest flight you can catch, please call me,

690
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 2: which sounds very pre in light of the recent higher

691
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: profile incident, heightened public attention surrounding and we need you

692
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: back in town because she hadlready made that decision to

693
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: let her go. I mean heightened public attention. We're kind

694
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: of at peak on Monday. Okay, that happened on the weekend,

695
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: and two days by two days, okay, we settled the nan.

696
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, there's heightened public attention to the fountains

697
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: Grose shooting, for sure, But why would you call her

698
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: back from Denver. There's nothing you can do about what

699
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 2: happened forty eight hours earlier. There's nothing unless you had

700
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: some information about some sort of I don't know, planned

701
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: attack or planned criminal activity. There's no reason for her

702
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: to do that. And that was like the end of

703
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: the conversation. And then she came back and then by

704
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: the twentieth on the twenties, so that was five days

705
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 2: after that is when the City and tear and UH

706
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: and Share Along places Stigi on administratively paid administrative pending

707
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: internal investigation and the effectiveness of her leadership. And of

708
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: course she's lawyered up. She's a political scapegoat. I believe

709
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: that to be true. I agree with Steve m on this.

710
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: But the whole thing is the fact that this indicates

711
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: to me that most certainly share along and most certainly

712
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: have to puival dictate the policy. You're now hired a

713
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: law firm to prove the exact opposite. Terry. Theg is like, look,

714
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: you're the piper. You call the tune. If you're worried

715
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: about DEEI, if you're at about treating our criminals like victims,

716
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: that's the game you want to play with your administration.

717
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: That's how you were on the city. I take my

718
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: orders from you, Okay, I'll fall in line and make

719
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: sure the troops fall along. And to that degree, I

720
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: think that's why she had a rift with maybe some

721
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: of the beat cops, and she was not really loved

722
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: all that much by the beat cops. It was kind

723
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: of a love hate situation. I guess from what I understand.

724
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: And you know, if you're a boss, you're not going

725
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: to keep everybody happy, especially if you're the chief of

726
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: police and you have a police union. And I get that,

727
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: but I also think that if you're going to take

728
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: that job, they're going to tell you what to do

729
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: and how to do it, and you're just going to

730
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 2: kind of follow it. And you know what, you're blaming

731
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: Terry Thiji for your bad policies. You made bad policy decisions.

732
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 2: It sounds like you took some I don't know, some

733
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: study from Harvard or some sort of nutty professor that

734
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: told you the way to keep the peace is to

735
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: simply appease the criminals rather than lock them up and

736
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: be strong about it. You know, we're gonna empty the jails,

737
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna have no bond, we're gonna have a war.

738
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: And now a percentage of the population takes advantage of

739
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: that because that's what they do, not all of it,

740
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: but a small percentage of the criminal And this is

741
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: what you wind up getting. And so that's not the

742
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: fault of Cary Thig. That is the fault of failed

743
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: leadership above Terry Thig, and she's paying the price. Very

744
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 2: interesting though, it sounds to me like the mayor's office

745
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: and sherlong dictate how Terry Thigi should perform her job.

746
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: I mean, controlling the what she's saying or thinking sounds

747
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 2: to me like they're underminding the whole investigation. They desired

748
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: a big law for them to do, and it just

749
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 2: gets crazier every day, really does. We'll get a time

750
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 2: out and we've got news in just about four minutes

751
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: here on seven hundred WW when we return County Commissioner

752
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: at Lisha Reese on this show, can the county help

753
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: plug the looming snap gap that's about to hit on Saturday?

754
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: We'll get into that and much more just ahead when

755
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: the Scott's Loan Show continues after this on seven hundred WW.

756
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 7: You want to be an American idiot?

757
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: Scott blown back on seven hundred WWS. So we have

758
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: a coalition about half of the United States, the United

759
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: States and District of Columbia are suing the Trump administration

760
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 2: over the suspension of food staff benefits. With the government

761
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: shutdown happening right now so here in Ohio, we can't

762
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: control DC. But now we're going, all right, what about Snap?

763
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 2: What about TAMP? What about Wick? What about that money

764
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: if we don't get federal funds. Is looking that way

765
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: as we get closer to Saturday. Locally, Governor Dewin said

766
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: he's studying options involving state money. I had a council

767
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: member all be on earlier this morning and she said

768
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: the city's looking at this too, And the county held

769
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: they hearing yesterday where Alicia Reese was a holding court

770
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: as she usually does. Commissioner Reese welcome, how are you?

771
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: Oh, I've had better days. I'll tell you that, better days.

772
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: I bet this is tough, unbelievable. Yeah, we got so

773
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 2: to bring people up to speed on this. To bring

774
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 2: up to speed, one point four million Ohioans reliance SNAP

775
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 2: benefits and about forty three thousand kids, so roughly one

776
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: in eight folks who live in Hamlin County are getting

777
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: some form of SNAP benefits. Every month in Hamlin County,

778
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: SNAP pays out nineteen million dollars. I said, nineteen million

779
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: a month. With your budget and even the city's budget,

780
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 2: I don't know how you overcome that, Alicia.

781
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is you look at it. We

782
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: can overcome it. I mean we're talking to almost two

783
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: hundred and forty million a year, and we're looking at

784
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 1: ninety seven thousand of those people, like you said, right

785
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: here in Hambleton County, and you know they yesterday the

786
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: Director of Jobs to Family Services. One of the things

787
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: he talked about is these are people who are working.

788
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: Majority of these people who actually work every day, some

789
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: of them working two and three jobs. You're looking at

790
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 1: children who in it's to children. Then you're looking at

791
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: senior citizens who pay their dues.

792
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: There.

793
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 8: You know, that's a big chunk of people.

794
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: I mean, you're very pro veteran ye serve.

795
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, veterans who serve this country. I mean, this is

796
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: this is unbelievable. And to deny them something as basic

797
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: as being able to have food on the table is unbelievable.

798
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: And then one of the things the food free Store

799
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: Food Bank, which you know the in world hunger that's

800
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: one of my it's just been dear, dear, my heart,

801
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: and I've always worked with them for you know, most

802
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: of my life helping. One of the things that was

803
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: said that we can't food pantry ourselves out and do it,

804
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, even with the money that we have that we.

805
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 8: Had from Snap.

806
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: We had Snap and food Bank was kind of a

807
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: gap filler. It was never the main line, and so

808
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: it won't be we won't be able to We're going

809
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 1: to put more money toward that. We as a as

810
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: a county commission, we've put about two million dollars with

811
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: the OURPA money that we did. We're looking for more

812
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: opera money. We know we probably got at least another

813
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand. We're scraping to sign some others, so

814
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: that number may go up, but we know that that

815
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: is just a temporary situation. Then what people don't understand

816
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: the economic impact of the snap benefits. In other words,

817
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: for every dollar that we put in you talked about

818
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: the nineteen million, we get one dollar and fifty four

819
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: cents back. So we're talking about almost you know, over

820
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: two hundred close three hundred million dollars economically in the

821
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: economy to keep this economy going, because.

822
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: You're going to buy stuff, You're going to go to

823
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: the store, you're going to go to Kroger, whatever, and

824
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: that money gets pumped back into the economy, and that

825
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 2: means jobs and a fewer people are done. You know, Okay,

826
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 2: you don't need that many people at Kroger working wherever.

827
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: You get your groceries and you can't you keep I

828
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: talked to a Kurt Ryber on Monday Show, Alicia Reese,

829
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: CEO of the Freestar Food Bank, and he was he

830
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: was kind about that. They said, well, I'm optimistic we'll

831
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: get this thing settled now here it is, you know,

832
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: we're heading in the back half the week, and all

833
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: of a sudden that's not looking at a certainty or

834
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: a guarantee for sure. But he said, look, we might

835
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: have to open twice a month to folks who are

836
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: on snap are supposed to once a month, and he's

837
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 2: going to have to lean on his vendors as suppliers.

838
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: And of course the generosity of Cincinnatians and and they

839
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 2: serve not just Cincinnati, but as you know, like twenty counties.

840
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: So if you're hearing this and like I have, make

841
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 2: a donation the free Store Food Bank. Because it's that

842
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 2: time of the year and now we're getting to you know,

843
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and Christmas when the need is even great. It's

844
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 2: like the worst time possible for this to happen.

845
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: It's the worst time possible. And as you indicate it,

846
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: we looked at also the Director of Jobs and Family

847
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: Services because all of the snap benefits don't happen just

848
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the month. Right, We've got half

849
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the month, so we've got a

850
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: group that will be impacted November first. Then we've got

851
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: another half where theirs are in the middle of the month,

852
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: so theirs would go out right at Thanksgiving. I mean,

853
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. And then you talked about Kroger's and others.

854
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: They're small, there's farmers' markets, there's smaller retails. Over almost

855
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: ten thousand retails stores throughout Ohio will be affected. So

856
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: now we're talking about some you know, some of the

857
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: smaller stores as well as that affect you know, Kroger's

858
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: and all those because the less people buy, right, the

859
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: higher the prices and so. And then some of the

860
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: smaller retail stores, the farmer markets and those kinds of things,

861
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: some of them have indicated they might go out of business.

862
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: And those are the ones that provide the fresh fruit

863
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: into some of these food desert areas, so it's a

864
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: trickle effect. Then you have senior citizens who many are

865
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: on medicine, and some children that have to take medicines,

866
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: and now you have to decide can I afford the

867
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: medicine or the food. And everybody knows when you take

868
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: medicine that it says you got to eat with the medicine.

869
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: So it's a trickle down effect. And then we had CMHA,

870
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: a director come in and he said it also affects

871
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: because now we're talking about housing and his program has

872
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: because of the government shut down. He indicated that it

873
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: will affect people with affordable housing as well. And you know,

874
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: we've been pushing affordable housing. Will people be able to

875
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: have a place to live? Yeah, And you know, it's slow,

876
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: it's just everything. And you know, I've been on this

877
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: property taxes. He just chilling us, you know, and we

878
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: did that. We did that Bengals dealsloan and they took

879
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: out thirty percent, so we can't even try to get

880
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: to thirty percent rebate. Then the state would not do

881
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: anything on the property taxes.

882
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 8: Yet they're still trying to.

883
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: Figure that out. What's going on. And that's that's a

884
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: whole separate, complex issue, right And then the man time

885
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: it is coming up bottom line is Saturday. Unless things

886
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: change in Washington, a lot of people are going to

887
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: have to do without. And I, you know, I look

888
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 2: at this thing Alicia Reese's you know, and and we

889
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: even mentioned, for example, the federal workers for example, who

890
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: are working out of the paycheck. And I said, when

891
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: this thing started, I was like, Okay, it's theater, is

892
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: what it is. And then what happens is in about

893
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: thirty days that theater becomes reality. So you see the

894
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 2: snap benefits cut concerns with the FAA. You have Frederick

895
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: workers now missing a couple pass. You know, most families

896
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: can afford. You know, Okay, can we tighten it up

897
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 2: for till the next pay cycle? Sure, we do that

898
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: all the time. You start talking a couple of pay cycles,

899
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: it's a different story entirely. And yet these people still

900
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: have to show up to work.

901
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, they got to show up to work not getting paid. Song.

902
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 1: Now we're in twenty twenty twenty five, right, twenty twenty

903
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: five people working and not getting paid. Come on, and

904
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: in this society there be a furlough. These people have

905
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: home mortgages, they will have the property taxes, We doe

906
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: their gas and electrics do Now you're talking over here

907
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: those with the snap benefits now they can't get anything

908
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: to eat. Children's families worried.

909
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 2: How problems gonna be a problem.

910
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: This is outrageous, and then the song we have until

911
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: this Thursday, and I don't think it's gonna go. The

912
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: state then said, hey, you fix the problem on property taxes.

913
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: And you saw Butler County and Warrant County they looking

914
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: to double the homestead to help the seniors. But it

915
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: doesn't look like you know, I asked the ministrator to

916
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: look at all options, and it doesn't seem like I'm

917
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: going to get the support to be able to do

918
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: that here in Hamilton County. So now what do we do.

919
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: We can't give the homeowners to break federal workers furloughs.

920
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: That's your middle class that they're working with no paycheck.

921
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: Senior citizens have done their time and they can't now

922
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: get anything to eat. They don't know if to pay

923
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: for the medicine or can they pay to get something

924
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: to eat. Children out here hungry. These ninety seven thousand

925
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: people affected about the snap benefits, like you said, nutrition

926
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: and all that, they can't even get anything to eat,

927
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: and most of them are working every day.

928
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 8: I mean, what are we doing here?

929
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean pretty soon it's gonna be you're gonna

930
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 2: look at it and go Okay, Well I can feed

931
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: my kids or I can pay the electric bill. And

932
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: you know, you can have a really good job and

933
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: good income stream and still feel the pinch of the

934
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: spatic Hell, Lisha, You've got a couple of year you

935
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 2: make money and you still have a hard time painting

936
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: your electric bill.

937
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 8: Hey, let me just say let me say this, Let

938
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 8: me say this.

939
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 7: I am.

940
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: I am a normal working person and I and I

941
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: have the struggles of everybody.

942
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 8: Everybody.

943
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 2: Because this morning Alicia was a little late because her

944
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: phone died because her power went out. And I said, well,

945
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: I mean you gotta pay that, you gotta pay, you

946
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: gotta pay.

947
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: Duke Kennedy, girl, I jumped up, so said, I said

948
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: my glasses. I said, wait, MANE is saying, and you know,

949
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: get get my lesture.

950
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: I got my receipt. I'm gonna waving in somebody's face.

951
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: It was a power out.

952
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 8: Somebody won't be talking.

953
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is. I love the conspiracy, I

954
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: really do us. She's Alicia County Commissioner on.

955
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 6: The show It's Low.

956
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: Let me just tell people, I've got the five or

957
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: three release bus and we have helped thirty thousand people

958
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 1: where we got the bus going all over the county.

959
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: We're going to try to connect people to as much

960
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 1: help as we have available to them.

961
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 9: Right now.

962
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 8: We're bringing food, we're.

963
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: Bringing all kind of help from jobs and family services,

964
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: anything we have. We're going to try to connect them

965
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: and answer the problems that they may have. And we

966
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: also try to get people. Let's get these unclaimed funds, every.

967
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 8: Little dollar count. We're in a nine to one one right.

968
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 2: Now, we are, and you hope that cooler heads prevail.

969
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: Like if I were to talk to you know, Democrats

970
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 2: and Republicans, I think the sentiment of the country is, Okay,

971
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: you made your point. You made your point. Now once

972
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: you get past. And the reason why the longest shutdown

973
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 2: was thirty five days is because after you know, first

974
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: few weeks at theater, once you start to get past

975
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: that thirty day, market really starts to hurt people who

976
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: don't deserve it. And you know, so at the end

977
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: of the day is you know, could play party politics

978
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 2: and our side's got to win and crush the other side.

979
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: But you know when when individual families and kids and

980
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: veterans and seniors are getting squeezed out and literally not

981
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: getting food, I think that's time both sides have to go. Look,

982
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: we made our point. We've eventually got a govern here.

983
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: We got to legislate and let's fit this problem through

984
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 2: the legislative action, not executive order. And a lot of

985
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: people blame Trump for all this thing, but it's party politics.

986
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: It's the lines are so defined and it's such a

987
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: gap between the two parties right now. This is why

988
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 2: Congress largely we're sending them to Washington. What are they doing.

989
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: All they're doing is shutting. They came and bounce a

990
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 2: budgetally share you got one job, you can't do that,

991
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 2: and then you shut the government down like every ten

992
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: minutes on the tens.

993
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: Well, we got to come together. But this is an

994
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: economics fight. We've got to fight going right now. Sloan

995
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: from creating the have and the have not and the

996
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: have nots is growing and getting crushed at whatever they do.

997
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: I encourage all of them to come together, but we

998
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: also got to make sure that we can afford to

999
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: go to the hospital. I mean, I mean it's an

1000
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: economics fight. Like you said, whether it's a snap benefit,

1001
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: whether it's a property Texas, whether it's you know, whether

1002
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: it's cannot afford to go to the hospital right now,

1003
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: because you know, we can't. Basically, America, we just can't

1004
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: afford to pay. We can't pay more to go to

1005
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: the hospital. We can't pay more to go to the doctors.

1006
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: We can't go out here and cut our snap benefits.

1007
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: We can't pay more for property takes. We just squeezed.

1008
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: So the economy has squeezed us. And like you said,

1009
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 1: here we are down at the bottom, trying to trying

1010
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: to survive. And I think I would want all of them.

1011
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: I don't care who you are. Take the posits out

1012
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: of it enough, fight for Americans to be able to look.

1013
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: Forward, to live, go back and negotiate and come up

1014
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: with something. And you know, Democrats, it's about subsidence. I

1015
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: think subsidy is terrible because it's just making affordable or

1016
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: I guess pretending to make affordable something that's not. You're

1017
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: taking cash from one pallem, move it to another. At

1018
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: the end of the day, this is why we've got

1019
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: a thirty eight trillion dollar deficit with the subsidies. Republicans,

1020
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: and I've talked to many of my friends in the

1021
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: right side of the owl, talk about you know, empowering

1022
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 2: people to take care of better care of their health

1023
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 2: and incentivizing well and it's that's all well and good,

1024
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 2: but that takes ten, twenty, thirty forty years or more

1025
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: for that to take it. We need a plan right now.

1026
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: We need to fix the broken healthcare system right now.

1027
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: We don't need more substant and we don't need, you know,

1028
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: to empower people in future generations to get healthy. We

1029
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 2: still need to have people today that have cancer, that

1030
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: have diabetes, that are in wheelchairs, that have mental illness,

1031
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: all those things, and we're not we're not addressing that.

1032
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: We're just kicking the can down the road. And both

1033
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 2: sides are complicity. That's all it is. And it's squeezing

1034
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: out the county, the city, the state. We're screwed. We

1035
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: don't have the rainy day fund and now that was

1036
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 2: in the proposals is to get to wind to tap

1037
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: the rainy day funds. There's four billion dollars in that.

1038
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: I don't know how long that would fund snap. It

1039
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: might get us through another month. But the problem with

1040
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 2: that though is, you know, Alicia, is the General Assembly

1041
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: needs to pass the legislation and that's not going to happen.

1042
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 2: By Saturday. You can't directly fund SNAP because the state

1043
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: only verifies eligibility. That's a federal government runs that system.

1044
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: Well, I think we all got to have there's unprecedented.

1045
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 8: This is unprecedented what we're doing.

1046
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: It's self inflicted. That's the worst part.

1047
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, with self inflicting, and Americas are getting hurt and

1048
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: you're reading articles that you get in ballrooms even though

1049
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: it's private money. Can you imagine three hundred million of

1050
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: private money immediately? We need two hundred and forty million

1051
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: to do SNAP. The money is out there, but they're

1052
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: just squeezing everybody to having no money, and then only

1053
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: certain people have money. And we, like you said, we

1054
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: pay our taxes and we got to get a return

1055
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: on it. We gotta We sent him stuff to Washington,

1056
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: and damn it, Washington, we got to get it back here.

1057
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 6: Problem.

1058
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: That's a problem working people. I mean, you know, let's

1059
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: take care of the workers. Cause most of the people

1060
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: on SNAP are working. Families are working at least a

1061
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 2: couple of jobs. And County Commissioner at Lisha Reese, I'll

1062
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: let you go before I don't know, do you needed

1063
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 2: the venue money so you can pay your electric Bill,

1064
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: Can I help you? What can I do for you?

1065
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: It's been paid Okay, all right, it's been paid for.

1066
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 2: And your wireless clearly works.

1067
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: They got I don't want to be but there's some

1068
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: people out there.

1069
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 8: Let me just.

1070
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Speaker 1: Say who can't pay? And I guess I got a

1071
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Speaker 1: glimpse of what it's like to be in the dark.

1072
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 2: And appreciate you so much. Alicia, thanks for jumping on

1073
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: this morning. Take care, have a good one. It's always

1074
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 2: bringing the eat here. Sure you do not any money

1075
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 2: that electric bill? I get this in cash or cricket

1076
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: wire Let's keep that phone going. She's good radio. She

1077
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: is Alicia Reese Hamblin County Commission in a very serious

1078
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 2: issue though. On Saturday, Uh, if these benefits expired, I

1079
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: want to believe that even Washington has some sense and goes,

1080
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: you know, we really, we really need to come to

1081
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: some common ground here because people are going to suffer

1082
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: starting on Saturday. Now is it going to be Saturday exactly?

1083
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 2: That all of a sudden, we're gonna have all now

1084
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: what four million people starving? And I went, no, it's

1085
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 2: good a few days, but the point has been made.

1086
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: It's time to actually govern for a change. How about

1087
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: that we sent you to Washington to governing. How about governing?

1088
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: Why did you do that? Slooney seven hundred w O.

1089
00:51:54,800 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: Helping you put the big P in profession. Here's our career, sir,

1090
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: Julie Balki, all right headed towards November first, some people

1091
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: losing their snap benefits and other people have to make

1092
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 2: a decision on their healthcare. If you're in the private

1093
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: sector like me, maybe you, that means trying to figure

1094
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: that out and navigate that. And only fifty seven percent

1095
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: of full time employees understand their benefits coverage. That is

1096
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: the lowest it's been since twenty twenty. And why that

1097
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: is and what's driving that? She has the answers. It's

1098
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 2: Julie Bouki from the Bouki Group, career coach and consultant.

1099
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: It's Julie on the job of Sloaney this morning on

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00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 2: seven hundred double WoT. How you been, good morning.

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00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 4: You know reading this by HARKing back to my early

1102
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 4: days of my career in human resources, and this is

1103
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 4: not a new problem in my experience. You had open

1104
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 4: enrollment every year where people had to come forward and

1105
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 4: say I select this program or I select this program,

1106
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 4: and literally, for something as important as healthcare and medical benefits,

1107
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 4: it was like pulling teeth to get people to sign up.

1108
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 4: And it's just confounding to me. But at the same time,

1109
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 4: I think sometimes your health and medical benefits benefits in

1110
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 4: general falls into that same category of I'll worry about

1111
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 4: it when I need it, okay, like insurance, but general,

1112
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 4: like home insurance, like I expect it to be there

1113
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 4: for every every need I could possibly have when I

1114
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 4: need it. But I don't want to put a lot

1115
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 4: of time into reading over it because it just confuses me.

1116
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 6: Which I got it.

1117
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: I totally get that. It's like, there's there's twenty different

1118
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 2: plans and you could do this, and how about what's

1119
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: the out of pocket? And the thing is, unless you're

1120
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 2: a nature, no one understands. Well, Okay, I got a colpay,

1121
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 2: I got this forty percent, but here's our family maximum,

1122
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: our monthly maximum. And then it's like I don't know what. Okay.

1123
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: Then you're an STD and LTD and FTD and ESPN

1124
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: and like my eyes glaze over.

1125
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I get it because those kind of things

1126
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 4: aren't natural for me to dig in and understand either.

1127
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 4: But it's also not reasonable to ignore it. Just pick

1128
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 4: you know, give me the basics, and then you find

1129
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 4: out six months in that you have to have surgery

1130
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 4: and it's not covered because you didn't pick the right plan.

1131
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 3: That's not fair either.

1132
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 4: You know. That's so there has to be and I

1133
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 4: know it seems like the whole areas seem to get

1134
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 4: so much more complex with whether it's ACA, or whether

1135
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 4: you are on your souse's benefits, or whether you're allowed

1136
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 4: to be on your house's benefits if you also have

1137
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 4: full time employment. So there's all these little loopholes and

1138
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 4: all these little if this then that kind of stuff.

1139
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 4: But when you think about the moment in which you

1140
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 4: really need once you're really going to need it, and

1141
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 4: how it can impact your financial future if you aren't

1142
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 4: covered and you have to have something done anyway, you

1143
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 4: just got to bear down do it. And I know

1144
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 4: that that's I know that that's hard because I will admit,

1145
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 4: back when I was in corporate America, it was little

1146
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 4: last thing I wanted to do, even for myself, and

1147
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 4: so I get it. But and so it seems like

1148
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 4: all these people that have said I don't understand it.

1149
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 4: It seems kind of like a throw out my hands.

1150
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 4: I know companies do try to explain it, do try,

1151
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 4: they have sessions, they do things to try to help

1152
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 4: you understand it. But you know, I used to say

1153
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 4: about benefits when I was in HR. You can lean

1154
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 4: horses to water all day long, you can't make them drink.

1155
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 4: And that's that's really what this comes down to.

1156
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm the old days. You know, when everyone

1157
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 2: met in person. We've still worked in a workplace, right,

1158
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: You'd have the big benefit meeting and everyone would show

1159
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: up and there'd be someone there presenting the information, namely

1160
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: Julie Bouki or something like that, and it was a

1161
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 2: horrible meeting because about forty five minutes in your eye

1162
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: start glazing over about benefits and then are there any questions?

1163
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 2: And sure enough the question. Here's Matt Reese in the

1164
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: background raising his hand and he's going to ask a

1165
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 2: thousand questions and drag this, drag this thing out three

1166
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 2: or four more hours long, and it's just it's insane.

1167
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 2: It wasn't. Fortunately, you can do that online and we

1168
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: have AI and stuff like that. But benefits are and

1169
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: the reason why we're seeing employees understand benefits lesson is

1170
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: because it's even more complex and expensive, right, it.

1171
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 4: Is more complex and expensive. Yeah, And it feels like

1172
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 4: if the depth and the scope of benefits get smaller

1173
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 4: and smaller. I mean, everybody over a certain age remembers

1174
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 4: a day when, maybe even early in your career, when

1175
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 4: you worked for a company where it was very small copay,

1176
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 4: very small deductible. You just showed up anywhere you wanted

1177
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 4: to and you were taken care of and that was it.

1178
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 4: And it's those days are never coming back because certainly

1179
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 4: healthcare costs have risen crazily for companies, and so they can't.

1180
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 4: You know, I just wish, I just wish at It

1181
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 4: won't be where I'm a live or you're alive, but

1182
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 4: I wish somebody somewhere would have the courage to step

1183
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 4: up and face off with the healthcare and pharmaceutical lobby

1184
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 4: and the insurance lobby and separates healthcare benefits from employment.

1185
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 4: That works when they were unions.

1186
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 3: With urban It doesn't.

1187
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 4: It doesn't make sense anymore. And it's actually APA, right,

1188
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 4: it never did. That's what the ACA was for, so

1189
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 4: that you weren't stuck without benefits because you weren't employed.

1190
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,959
Speaker 4: It attempted to make them more affordable, and it did

1191
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 4: for many, many people, so that you didn't have to

1192
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 4: hang on to a job you hated just so you

1193
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 4: had your healthcare covered. I mean, even just saying that

1194
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 4: sentence sounds nutty, right, So, yeah, so it's a it's

1195
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 4: a very very complex problem.

1196
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 2: It really isn't, Julie. Let me know, I've been on

1197
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: this on this soapbox for twenty something years. It's not

1198
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: that complex. All all Congress has to do is like, look,

1199
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: all right, starting at this date, you are no longer

1200
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 2: to offer healthcare benefits healthcare benefits as an incentive at

1201
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: your workplace, like you can't if you're an employer, you

1202
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: don't do it, just don't do it, and and that

1203
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: way you don't have well some companies are offering somewhere

1204
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 2: just then the practice and allow the free market, Allow

1205
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: of the open market, like you do with your car insurance,

1206
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 2: like you do with your life insurance, your renter's insurance,

1207
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 2: all that stuff. The money you would save and not

1208
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 2: having to hire people like Julie Bouki to and essentially,

1209
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 2: I mean, how much of your job when you're in

1210
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: HR was HR. How much of your job was managing

1211
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 2: healthcare costs. You had a whole team, the bigger the company.

1212
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: You had to hire staffs of people to do that.

1213
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: Go to your doctor's office. You may have one nurse

1214
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: practitioner there, but there's five or six people. Their whole

1215
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: job is medical coding, medical building, doing all that stuff,

1216
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 2: putting entry level stuff to comply with the government and

1217
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: to comply with insurance companies.

1218
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if we're going to do that, if you're

1219
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 4: going to stay okay, effective January first, twenty twenty seven,

1220
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 4: healthcare is now untethered. You have entire industrial complexes of pharmaceuticals,

1221
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 4: medical products, doctors, hospitals, you know, medicare. I mean, everything

1222
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 4: has to be ready for that and has to be

1223
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 4: able to price it appropriately. They have to be able

1224
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 4: to stat for it.

1225
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: So it would take a.

1226
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 4: Pretty long runway to do that. Sure, but because the

1227
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 4: lobbies are so strong in all of those they they

1228
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 4: are in the back pocket of a lot of politicians

1229
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 4: will never vote for that. So here we are again,

1230
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 4: just because our politicians.

1231
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: Have their hands out right right well, and then we

1232
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: need if we need fundraising, and damn it, you can

1233
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: do this, and it's better for America. It's better for

1234
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: the bottom line because you can stand, you know, democratical plays. Look, oh,

1235
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: you're going to have two hundred and twenty two million

1236
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: people who don't have any healthcare benefits and you're a

1237
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: capitalist and you have money. No, it doesn't work. Though

1238
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: the money you save and all the compliance and all

1239
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: the government bs, you could take some of that money

1240
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 2: and have health care for people who fall into the

1241
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: poverty line and still have literally billions of dollars left over,

1242
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: if not trillions of dollars left over to balance the

1243
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 2: budget to put to something else. Because once employment is

1244
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: tied to healthcare benefits, too many people working crappy jobs

1245
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 2: simply because they need the benefits. It's so very true

1246
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 2: if you free what would that do for the gig economy?

1247
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: On top of that, people who have two or three

1248
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: or four different jobs that would allow that to go

1249
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 2: on like gangbusters, Like what you would make up at

1250
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: the back end would more than cover the front end.

1251
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 2: But of course you're protecting someone else's turf. You're protecting

1252
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 2: insurance companies and big pharma and insurance providers and PBMs

1253
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, because they've made their success and

1254
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 2: they don't want that to go away. They don't want

1255
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: that gravy train to end m M exactly.

1256
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 4: It's the what we're seeing, which is I think really interesting.

1257
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 4: I think this is sort of the future because we're

1258
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 4: seeing harken back to the old day of COVID, which

1259
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 4: feels like it was a you know, different lifetime. But

1260
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 4: we saw think about we saw companies come out like okay,

1261
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 4: day care for your pets, day care for your grandma,

1262
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 4: perk for this, perks for that, you know, because they

1263
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 4: were in attraction mode. They were trying to get people

1264
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 4: to come work there. The problem is then when the

1265
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 4: pendulum swings back the other way, those are the first

1266
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 4: things to go. But what I do like about the

1267
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 4: personalization of benefits. So let's say if everybody has the

1268
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 4: same benefit, So as if a single person, a single

1269
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 4: thirty year old doesn't maybe doesn't have a spouse, doesn't

1270
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 4: have kids, and it's really healthy, they they they may

1271
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 4: choose a more a skinnier plan and then spend again

1272
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 4: some of those benefits dollars for catastrophic or for you know,

1273
01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 4: for more vacation time or PTO or doggie daycare or

1274
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 4: so I love the idea of a bank and a

1275
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 4: variety of benefits. There's obviously a lot of regulations around this,

1276
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 4: but the company I used to work four years ago,

1277
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 4: you had to at least have catastrophic but beyond that,

1278
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 4: it was what do you need? Do you need more medications?

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Speaker 4: Are you or can you use some of those dollars

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Speaker 4: for wellness? And so if I think, I hope we're

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Speaker 4: going to be heading in that direction because we are learning,

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Speaker 4: whether it comes to hybrid works, remote work, in office work,

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Speaker 4: one size doesn't fit all and so we have there

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Speaker 4: some sort of personalization is I think a really important

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Speaker 4: recruitment and retention strategy. But it's sticky. It's really really sticky.

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Speaker 4: But the companies who figure it out, I think, are

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Speaker 4: the companies who are going to be the places that say,

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Speaker 4: instead of saying here's the benefits package, Oh you don't

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Speaker 4: need most of these things, sorry about that, instead say

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Speaker 4: what do you need? And then here are your options.

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Speaker 2: Julie Bouki, our career is sure. But Wednesday morning's here

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Speaker 2: on the Scotsland Show on seven hundred double de lit

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Speaker 2: bit tuck and job related stuff on the big issues.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to. The AI stuff is fascinating. We've been

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Speaker 2: talking a lot about that, but we are now in

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Speaker 2: that sweet spot here for benefits, right, it is trying

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Speaker 2: to understand your benefits coverage. Decision day is coming up,

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Speaker 2: kind of like when it was sports. To steal an

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Speaker 2: analogy there, it is decision day. You decide how much

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Speaker 2: more you're going to pay and how fewer benefits you're

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Speaker 2: going to wind up getting. It's a mess, it's a nightmare.

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Speaker 2: Only about sixty percent, less than six out of ten

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Speaker 2: full time employees fully understand their benefits coverage. That's the

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Speaker 2: lowest market's been since twenty twenty. It's been trending down

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Speaker 2: now for the last number of years because it's become

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Speaker 2: more expensive, it's become more complex. People don't like to

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Speaker 2: make the decision. They him and haw about it. They

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Speaker 2: want to save some money, but then they worry what

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Speaker 2: if they get sick and I cover this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: So we understand to struggle the benefits and how to

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Speaker 2: access them when we need them, because I mean, let's

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Speaker 2: face it, if your company is trying to get the

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Speaker 2: best deal possible, you're probably changing insurance companies pretty much

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Speaker 2: every year at this point. And some benefis sarian and

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Speaker 2: now this company to this, well, we're not doing this,

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Speaker 2: we're not covering that, and just keeping track of it

1317
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Speaker 2: as a nightmare. Imagine being an HR professional when HR

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Speaker 2: staffers and senior management said, and seven out of ten

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Speaker 2: then say, we don't understand it all ourselves. That's a problem.

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Speaker 2: That shows you how big the problem is.

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Speaker 4: And imagine all of a sudden there's an accident, yeah,

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Speaker 4: or you're very sick. Is that really want to when

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Speaker 4: you want to be online trying to figure all this

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Speaker 4: stuff out and getting the bad news that you I

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Speaker 4: forgot to clign up for that, right, So don't wait

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Speaker 4: until that moment. And I always say, you know, I

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Speaker 4: had a personal experience when my husband passed away. We

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Speaker 4: had his living will, we had his healthcare power of returning.

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Speaker 4: Everything was fresh done and in a notebook, and I

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Speaker 4: just handed it to the hospital because I was I

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Speaker 4: didn't even I couldn't even figure out where I was

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Speaker 4: at the moment. So it's you know, I think you

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Speaker 4: have to start. You have to put a little few

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Speaker 4: brainfells toward figuring out am I ready when the worst happened.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't have to consume you, but you're going to

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Speaker 4: be glad you did because it comes for us all eventually.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, some of that's going to come back. And

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Speaker 2: I wonder how like small and mid sized companies navigate this.

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Speaker 2: You don't have a huge HR department to navigate all

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Speaker 2: the thing. I'd imagine AI at some point, if not now,

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01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: it's starting to fill a void.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And they also they also a lot of times

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Speaker 4: they rely on their benefits provider. They're brokers, the folks

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Speaker 4: that they work with to develop the benefits programs. They

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Speaker 4: rely on them to do the communication because they really

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Speaker 4: are the experts. And so I would imagine the smaller

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Speaker 4: companies more rely on their third party administrator or there.

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Speaker 4: They're like an outsourced sort of organization that handles that

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Speaker 4: for them because honestly, they're the experts. So it's going

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Speaker 4: to be it's going to be a better use of

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Speaker 4: their time.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, before we started talking, I'll pivot to something else here,

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Speaker 2: Julie Bucky, you were going off in a private conversation

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Speaker 2: we had, and I've got a little bit more time

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Speaker 2: to kill here with you. So Zach Taylor said that

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01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 2: someone needs to step up relative to this this hapless

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01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: Bengals defense. Somebody needs to step up. You as someone

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Speaker 2: who's in HR you observe leadership. You're you know, you're

1359
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Speaker 2: in the corner office. You're a c suite kind of person.

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Speaker 2: When you hear the head of an organization say someone

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Speaker 2: needs to step up, what does that say to you?

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Speaker 4: Ah, of course I cringe. Of course I was at

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Speaker 4: the game, so especially Salty. But can you imagine the

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Speaker 4: CEO of Croction and Gamble, And I know Zack said

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Speaker 4: more than that, So can you imagine the top of

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Speaker 4: any organization, via a government, public, private, somebody needs to

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Speaker 4: step up here? It's like, well, what happened to the

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Speaker 4: buck stop here? You know? And I know that the

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Speaker 4: defense get together and have their own meeting and all

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Speaker 4: of that, but the coach, the people at the top

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Speaker 4: set the tone. People are looking for someone to follow,

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Speaker 4: either in either in tone the tone makes set or

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Speaker 4: the attitude that they support and bring to the party.

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Speaker 4: And you have as a leader, nobody wants to see

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Speaker 4: you stand up in front of a group and go anyone, anyone, anyone.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 4: I mean, It's just that's just what it felt like

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Speaker 4: to me, and it just it just made me cringe.

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Speaker 4: So I think I was resenting to you about that.

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Speaker 2: No I don't think you're entirely at miss accurate. They're

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Speaker 2: and inaccurate there I guess I should say is that

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Speaker 2: somebody needs to step up. But it isn't that then

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Speaker 2: indicative of his ability as a scout slash head coach

1384
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Speaker 2: Douke Tobin as the gas the essential of the guy

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Speaker 2: who gets the players. I mean, if you don't, if

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Speaker 2: you don't wind up recruiting in business or in football

1387
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Speaker 2: or sports for that matter, people who not everyone's going

1388
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Speaker 2: to be a you know, run through the wall leader.

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Speaker 2: You can't have a team full of those. But that's

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Speaker 2: a defense that tells me that's a team that doesn't

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Speaker 2: have any leadership.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it does make me wonder a certain point that

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Speaker 4: you know, I don't even pretend to know one percent

1395
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Speaker 4: of what there is to know about football, so I'm

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Speaker 4: always just really careful. That's the feeling in the stadium

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Speaker 4: with something else on Sunday, it was very much like

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Speaker 4: everybody was stunned into silence. Then the bos started, but

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Speaker 4: everyone's like, I mean, people are look at each other

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Speaker 4: like what just happened? It was really it was really

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Speaker 4: a really different experience being there, and that doesn't happen

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Speaker 4: with tight, well coordinated teams in at Procter and Gamble

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Speaker 4: or at Kroger or you know, in the city of

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Speaker 4: Loveland or wherever you know. I mean, it's just the

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Speaker 4: people are. People are in all those roles, and there

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Speaker 4: are certain commonalities that all humans have with each other.

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Speaker 4: We want to be led, we want to be inspired,

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Speaker 4: and it falls to it falls to the people at

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Speaker 4: the top to set that tone. And if you can't,

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Speaker 4: you've got to look at it, bring somebody in who can.

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Speaker 4: It's that it's that little extra oomp that you get

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Speaker 4: by having an inspiring leader.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that at this point. If Zach

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Speaker 2: Taylor can do anything else. It's the fact that well

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01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 2: they don't draft very well and don'tus address problems as

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Speaker 2: they come up. And there's a whole host of other problem.

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Speaker 2: I know they got a bigger problems because Friday is

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Speaker 2: to drop dead day on Friday to determine and if

1419
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: you want to renew your season tickets at a higher

1420
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Speaker 2: price than this past season, that's decision day right there.

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Speaker 2: Julie Bauki all the best our curer ship at the

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Speaker 2: right here in Cincinnati can help you out if you

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Speaker 2: are lost in the woods or looking for your way out.

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Speaker 2: She's got you Jewels all the best. Thanks again, Julie

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Speaker 2: on the job this morning with the News on the

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Speaker 2: way in four minutes and win a return this Zoar

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Speaker 2: mamdani Is looks like he is going to be the

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Speaker 2: next mayor of the City of New York. Normally don't

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Speaker 2: care too much about what happens in New York City.

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01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 2: I care about Ohio. I came to bat Kentucky, care

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Speaker 2: about Indiana. So you look at you New York Go

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Speaker 2: New York LA. I you know, not a big cable

1434
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Speaker 2: news guy, don't really care all that much what's going

1435
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Speaker 2: on there. But I think you'd miss something if you

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01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 2: didn't see that. The attitude that's allowing that to happen, granted,

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Speaker 2: very progressive, very liberal New York City, but and about

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Speaker 2: socialists with some of the policies he's proposing here makes

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01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 2: one shake their head. And how did we get to

1440
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Speaker 2: this point? Is the question that someone like that can

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Speaker 2: actually win office and the largest, most impactful city in

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Speaker 2: the United States. We'll get to that next on seven

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Speaker 2: hundred WW Cincinnati.

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Speaker 7: Don't want to be an American.

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01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 2: Or Mendami. That's the name you need to know because

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Speaker 2: in the next few days, as we get to the election,

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Speaker 2: he's probably going to be the next mayor of the

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Speaker 2: City of New York. A socialist to be the mayor

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Speaker 2: of the City of New York. That is frightening for

1450
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 2: a lot of people, warming for many others as well.

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01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 2: But it does throw things in a turmoil. Shows you

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01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 2: how the way politics is going for that matter. Also,

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01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 2: you know we're in Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky. Now, if

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Speaker 2: you watch cable news, you probably get a steady die

1455
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 2: of the fear of this guy. But most people I

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01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 2: live in Ohio, I'm in the middle of I don't

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01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 2: care who cares New York City. If he continues the

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Speaker 2: path he's going to, and let's say he winds up

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Speaker 2: becoming the next mayor of New York City, he's going

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Speaker 2: to help reshape the narrative and the politics and the

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Speaker 2: leadership nationally if that occurs. The why and the how.

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Speaker 2: Ken Girardan is with Manhattan Institute, writes about this in Socialism.

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Speaker 2: I'm the husband and I love the title. Ken, how

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01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 2: are you Corny could vie with you. You're there there,

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01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 2: You're in the heart of the thing. So you know

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01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 2: more about this guy than most of us do. But

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01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 2: is that fairly accurate? Like there's an underbelly here that

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01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 2: this guy and we see socialism pop up from time

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Speaker 2: to time, but this guy could be the next mayor

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Speaker 2: of New York City. That's gonna change. It's gonna be

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Speaker 2: kind of like a maybe a mini blue wave going

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Speaker 2: across the country.

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Speaker 5: I'd actually pushed back a little bit and I'd say

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01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 5: he's kind of a lagging indicator. Okay, that is him

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01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 5: winning the primary. That was a kind of a wake

1476
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 5: up call to folks to say, let's let's zoom out

1477
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 5: and look and just see where socialist proposals have already

1478
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 5: taken route, some of them. Donnie had spent five years

1479
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,560
Speaker 5: in the state of Emily in Albany, and so that

1480
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 5: was my first stop and I looked there and I

1481
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Speaker 5: reviewed There are a number of socialist proposals, some of

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01:11:55,680 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 5: which have pretty widespread political support, but some other big

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01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 5: ones also predate him as an assemblement. And I thought

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01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 5: this was a good opportunity to take a look at

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01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 5: the full the full buffet of stuff that people in

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Speaker 5: the socialist persuasion want.

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Speaker 2: Sure, And I bring that up as I said, Okay,

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01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 2: you could see because among younger people, younger people love socialists.

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Speaker 2: You go to a college campus, you know you've got

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Speaker 2: Socialism is the greatest saying. We just got to do

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01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 2: the right time. Socialism is a failed experiment, but we

1492
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 2: just we haven't fully done socialism yet. And that's always

1493
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,840
Speaker 2: the excuse, right, is so why socialism fails? And of

1494
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 2: course there's a host of other reasons. There's you know,

1495
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 2: central planning can't allocate resources effectively, and you get rid

1496
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 2: of competition, and it drives incentivization a whole bunch of things.

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01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 2: And we can get into why socialism is bad as

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01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 2: a as a political philosophy. But young people see because yeah,

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01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 2: I look at young people to America. It's New York

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01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 2: City or Cincinnati, and hey, they're worried about jobs, they

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01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 2: were about housing, they worried about health care. Healthcare is

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01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,600
Speaker 2: a mass. Both Republicans Democrats created this problem, and no

1503
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 2: one has a solution to fixing it other than more

1504
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,879
Speaker 2: subsidies that we continue to borrow money to give subsceeded

1505
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 2: to people to make it afford it's not affordable. We're

1506
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 2: just taking money from one pile and moving it somewhere

1507
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 2: else you worry about. You know, people haven't worked two

1508
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 2: or three or more jobs just to keep their nose

1509
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 2: above water, and a lot of people can't do that.

1510
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 2: Housing is getting unrealistically unexpensive. So there's like a grossola

1511
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,759
Speaker 2: of young people feel like they're painted in a corner

1512
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 2: right now, and that is always the catalyst or something

1513
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 2: like this coming along.

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Speaker 5: Well, let's remember everybody grows up in not just socialism,

1515
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 5: but actually communism to a certain extent. That's where your

1516
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 5: family is, like I have I have communism at home

1517
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 5: with my children, where there's communal responsibility, community, communal ownership.

1518
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 5: And that's great within the family unit. When you start

1519
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 5: trying to build an entire society around it, that's where

1520
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 5: things historically have always fallen apart and struggled. That's where

1521
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 5: you inevitably have markets because you always have mismatching needs

1522
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 5: and wants between family units. And that's something where the

1523
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 5: socialists don't appreciate, that difference between what goes on in

1524
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 5: the family and what goes on between people with different situations, resources, skills,

1525
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:07,679
Speaker 5: and and neat.

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01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's socialism is U and then the next phase

1527
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 2: after communist socialism. You know a lot of people go

1528
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 2: to school and they learn about socialism, and then it

1529
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 2: just becomes the you know, one campus agitator talking about

1530
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 2: we just haven't had perfect socialism, the right socialism yet.

1531
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 2: But you know the basis of socialism just in general,

1532
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 2: let alone. The version of what democratic socialism is is

1533
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: it's government ownership and control. It's a single payer system.

1534
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 2: There's no private competition, and you need all that to

1535
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 2: thrive into democracy. You need that to and you know,

1536
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 2: certainly we have problems in America, there's no denying that.

1537
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 2: But you know, you want to be like I don't know,

1538
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 2: you want to be like like the former Soviet Union.

1539
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 2: Do you want to be like you know, China during

1540
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 2: during the seventies. Do you want to be Venezuela, Cuba,

1541
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 2: North Korea? The answer is hell, no, you're.

1542
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 5: You're uh, you're you're very lightly going through the history

1543
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 5: of instances where major, major attempts at socialism have been tried,

1544
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 5: and one thing that's really unappreciated all of that is

1545
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 5: the disappearance of price signals. When you start having the

1546
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 5: government promise that they're going to provide everything. I think

1547
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 5: back to an example from about twenty years ago when

1548
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:26,440
Speaker 5: the Cuban government had to provide rice cookers for citizens,

1549
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 5: and there was this it was this big to do. Wow,

1550
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 5: isn't it so magnanimous? The Cuban government is providing all

1551
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 5: citizens with rice cookers. And the reason this happened was

1552
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 5: because the shortage of rice cookers in Cuba had really

1553
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 5: fanned the flames of the black market that the government

1554
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 5: had created for everything else because people weren't because there

1555
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,560
Speaker 5: were so many shortages that people were having to go

1556
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 5: and trade on their own, and you had this sort

1557
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 5: of blossoming private, private, underground economy. And that's something that

1558
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 5: socials don't appreciate that prices end information. Prices tell us

1559
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 5: where things are needed, where things are wanted, right, and

1560
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 5: that's why you see in those you know, in those

1561
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 5: societies that they inevitably really do lean into socialism, they

1562
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 5: inevitably run into trouble.

1563
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 2: Soviet Union comes to mind, chronic shortage of consumer goods,

1564
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 2: and we saw the pictures I'm lined up to for

1565
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 2: toilet paper to be handed out. Right, You've got abundant

1566
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 2: natural resources in the Soviet Union, and yet that happened,

1567
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 2: and you know, we saw the economic collapse, and then

1568
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 2: they kind of want to go back to that because

1569
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 2: you have a generation or two that didn't see how

1570
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 2: bad it was. It's kind of like here with vaccines, right,

1571
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,600
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, well, what the vaccine's got to be

1572
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 2: worse than whooping cough. Well, if you see what wooping

1573
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 2: cough looks like, you would rather take the vaccine that

1574
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 2: have whooping cough. It's the same thing.

1575
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's unfortunate.

1576
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 5: These are the sorts of lessons that every generation seems

1577
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 5: inevitably to have to relearn. And it's now been thirty

1578
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 5: four years since the fall of communism, and there are

1579
01:16:56,120 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 5: people alive in their thirties who have never who weren't

1580
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 5: alive for the USSR. And we have to be constantly

1581
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 5: reminding people about these about these lessons where they still

1582
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 5: exist in the world. We can't rely too much talk

1583
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,560
Speaker 5: about what went on behind the Iron Curtain, and we

1584
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 5: have to talk more about where these shortfalls are in

1585
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 5: existing countries, including by the way, sometimes own, and talk

1586
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 5: about where these experiments with socialism just haven't panned out.

1587
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is a lesson. But of course the

1588
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 2: cry has always been yeah, but it's different. Now, is

1589
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 2: it really all that different because it's an economic erce

1590
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 2: next time will be different, Yeah, next time it is. Well,

1591
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,680
Speaker 2: they haven't gotten it right yet. I mean, look at

1592
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 2: some of these other countries like Sweden. It's that's more

1593
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 2: democratic socialism and okay, so explain to me how things

1594
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 2: are so perfect in a.

1595
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 5: World like that and it's not even I mean, let's

1596
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 5: be clear, there's a very big difference between having a

1597
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 5: very robust welfare state funded with lots of taxes and

1598
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 5: still allowing market competition to happen. What probably what we

1599
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 5: should be more concerned about is where the government wants

1600
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 5: to step in and be the only provider of certain things,

1601
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,839
Speaker 5: where you stop having competition, where you staff having capital allocation.

1602
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 5: That's where you also run into really big problems with

1603
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 5: cronyism when you start to put government in charge of

1604
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:18,839
Speaker 5: things like like the electric grid or the healthcare system,

1605
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 5: and you you move away from what is an imperfect

1606
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 5: but at least responsive system. And that's one of the

1607
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 5: that's one of the importances of preserving those market systems

1608
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,719
Speaker 5: because in a in a poor performing part of the market,

1609
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 5: you can always go somewhere else. You lose that when

1610
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 5: you have the state take over stuff and even and

1611
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 5: like I said, in Scandinavia they have a lot of

1612
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 5: social wealth spending, but they don't necessarily have assiciating state

1613
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 5: ownership of things. There's a there's a very big difference there,

1614
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 5: and I think people try to almost impolitely sneak Scandinavia

1615
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 5: through as some example of this, you know, Democratic socialist nirvana,

1616
01:18:58,160 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 5: but it's not.

1617
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. Most people don't research it or

1618
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,839
Speaker 2: find that out themselves. Can Girardan is here, Manhattan Institute, Socialism,

1619
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 2: the husband, the Hudson the husband, Socialism on the husband,

1620
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 2: back to your family situation. Anyway, I'm Donnie's the guy

1621
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 2: in New York City, the Democratic Socialists who just won

1622
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 2: the Merrill primary there, and a lot of people are

1623
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 2: talking to this in the political scene. And you know,

1624
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 2: if he winds up winning the mayoralship of New York City,

1625
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 2: which is possible, will you see like a mini blue wave.

1626
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 2: I think that'd be like a ripple effect because other

1627
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 2: people look at this and go wow, yeah, clearly the

1628
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 2: people are upset. Now that's New York City. The politics

1629
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 2: and demands in New York City much different than here

1630
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:35,639
Speaker 2: in Ohio, certainly one hundred percent. But these are the things.

1631
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: These are the mile posts that come along and people go, wow, Okay,

1632
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 2: it's a growing movement. It has to start somewhere, and

1633
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 2: why not in New York City? And largely because there's

1634
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 2: a lot of people who are affected by this economy,

1635
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 2: this effect that I should say, with jobs and housing

1636
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 2: and healthcare. You know, you bring up how socialism, but

1637
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 2: we have a lot of socialism baked into policies in America, right,

1638
01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you mentioned healthcare. Is there anything more socialistic

1639
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 2: than our healthcare system or schools or whatever it might be. Now, granted,

1640
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 2: we're trying to be able to take your money, make

1641
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 2: it portable and have private schools and vouchers and things

1642
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 2: like that with a lot of resistance, but we've got

1643
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 2: a lot of socialism baked into the American system.

1644
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:11,599
Speaker 1: Now.

1645
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 5: You have instances where we were the most efficient system

1646
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 5: right now is to have state ownership for things, and

1647
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 5: we should be constantly looking critically at that and looking

1648
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 5: for alternatives. Doesn't mean you should throw it out, but

1649
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 5: we should always be asking the question, is this the

1650
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 5: most efficient, responsive way to do stuff because we often

1651
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 5: find it isn't look at what's happened with the postal

1652
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 5: service over the past fifty to sixty seventy years, where

1653
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 5: you've had private actors come and you know, they have

1654
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 5: been given the space to compete and in a lot

1655
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 5: of cases they're eating the postal services lunch because competition

1656
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 5: was you know, competition was allowed there. Now we're not

1657
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 5: going to have rival you know snow. You know, we're

1658
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 5: not going to have rival roads or at private roads

1659
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 5: to our houses anytime soon. But in places like the

1660
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 5: healthcare in the education space, we routinely find that competition

1661
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 5: not only leads to innovation, but also leads to better

1662
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 5: outcomes for folks. In New York, there are lots of

1663
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 5: what are called charter schools, which are publicly funded, privately

1664
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 5: run schools that parents can pick if they don't like

1665
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 5: how their neighborhood school is performing. And there are parts

1666
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 5: of New York City where a third of the public

1667
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 5: school kids are now in charter schools because they've been

1668
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 5: given that alternative, that competition. It's good, it's healthy, and

1669
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 5: we should constantly be looking for opportunities to create more competition,

1670
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 5: even for instances that we right now call the government.

1671
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 2: It's hard to believe we're like, what sixty seventy years

1672
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 2: past Brown versus Board of Education. But that's exactly what

1673
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 2: this is. It's like, you know, mister Brown back in

1674
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 2: the day, said, why do I have to send my kid,

1675
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 2: my ups to be black to a school on the

1676
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 2: other side of town simply because of her skin color?

1677
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 2: Why can't you go to the one right down the

1678
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 2: street from us? Same things happening today too. It's like, well, wait,

1679
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 2: why do I have to send my kid across town

1680
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 2: to a school that's performing when a underperforming school, why

1681
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 2: don't we just fix the school that's broken that steps

1682
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 2: away from my house. Same type of argument, And here

1683
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 2: you go again. And a litm bit of time we

1684
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 2: have because I don't know how many people are found

1685
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 2: this man Danny thing, But we really haven't discussed his

1686
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 2: hit list, his wants and these and what he wants

1687
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 2: to do New York City, why he won the mayor

1688
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 2: whole primary, What are some of the promise what are

1689
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 2: some things that jumped off the page at you when

1690
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 2: it comes to the reforms they want to do with

1691
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 2: a democratic socialist or socialist system in New York City.

1692
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 5: Three major parts of some of them on Donnie's platform

1693
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,719
Speaker 5: were making buses free with the New York City providing

1694
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 5: free universal childcare, and then also freezing the rent for

1695
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 5: about half the apartment in New York City, those that

1696
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 5: are subject to New York City rent regulations.

1697
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so I'm a landlord, I own property, So

1698
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 2: you're telling me I have a cap on how much

1699
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 2: I can charge. What do you think I'm going to do?

1700
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 5: Ken, I would not be shocked if you were to

1701
01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 5: immediately sell your property if that were the case to.

1702
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 2: The stead or it's like, okay, fine, I'll keep it.

1703
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:04,600
Speaker 2: But you know your microwave breaks. You think I'm going

1704
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 2: to replace that anytime soon? The roof is laking, a

1705
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 2: pipe is broken, your refrigerator isn't working. Where's mind centive

1706
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:12,759
Speaker 2: to fix that? If I can't recoup my losses.

1707
01:23:14,040 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 5: This is something again that predates Mamdani. This goes back

1708
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 5: to the twenty nineteen rent laws in New York which

1709
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:23,960
Speaker 5: were quite possibly the most extreme rent regulation in the country.

1710
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 5: But what they've resulted in is something called warehousing where

1711
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 5: you have these apartment buildings where a tenant moved out,

1712
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 5: and the landlord just doesn't want to spend ninety or

1713
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand dollars rehabilitating this apartment that's often been

1714
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 5: occupied for forty plus years, and they don't want to

1715
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 5: do the upgrades. They they don't want to spend the

1716
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 5: money on major mitigation. So instead this apartment gets warehoused,

1717
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,600
Speaker 5: which means nobody gets to rent it. It contributes to

1718
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 5: the housing shortage in New York City. It stresses the

1719
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 5: finances of those buildings and limits the apartment owner's ability

1720
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 5: to invest other things, things that would benefit the other tenants.

1721
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 5: And it is something that for which there eventually there

1722
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 5: will be a reckoning in New York as more apartments

1723
01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:13,679
Speaker 5: get warehoused, as more apartment buildings get pushed into financial

1724
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 5: distress by this law, and at the end of the day,

1725
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,759
Speaker 5: the biggest losers are going to be the tenants.

1726
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 2: In New York City. It looks like it did in

1727
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:25,200
Speaker 2: the seventies, where you have burnt out buildings and poverty

1728
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 2: atop of poverty, and it becomes a dystopian nightmare.

1729
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 5: I very much hope that we don't ever ever revisit

1730
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 5: that situation that we saw particular, the Bronx comes to

1731
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 5: mind in the nineteen seventies.

1732
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 6: I really hope we don't get there.

1733
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:43,719
Speaker 5: But it is always possible for state policy to result

1734
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,799
Speaker 5: in very big problems, especially at the local.

1735
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 2: Level, largely because history always repeats itself. Because we have

1736
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,640
Speaker 2: short memories, we don't learn, We don't look at the

1737
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 2: past and go, wow, we got to keep doing We go, well,

1738
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 2: why are we doing that? Why are we doing it? No,

1739
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,679
Speaker 2: it's different now, it's really not really that different the model.

1740
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,719
Speaker 2: The model still works and the value of socialism historically speaking,

1741
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 2: even though theoretically, you know, theory is one thing you applied,

1742
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 2: it doesn't work. You know, central planning can't allocate resources

1743
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 2: unless you, as you mentioned, you know, there's got to

1744
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 2: be signals from the from the market on what a

1745
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 2: price on something should be. If not, you're gonna have

1746
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 2: shortages and surpluses and mill misallocate. You're gonna have a

1747
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:19,599
Speaker 2: million toilet seats and no toilet papers, which are gonna

1748
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 2: wind up having. And there's no incentive for companies to

1749
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 2: make stuff. We sa again back to the Soviet Union.

1750
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 2: Now you have one one type of car is all

1751
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 2: you have? Well, good, the hot did that work out

1752
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 2: for those vehicles, whether it's in Cuba or whether it's

1753
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union. And Venezuela is another great example oil

1754
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 2: rich high. You know, you can talk about not having resource,

1755
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 2: but Venezuela is an oil is an oil rich nation.

1756
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 2: And you look at what happened there because they nationalize

1757
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 2: the industries, productivity went down. You had seven plus million

1758
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 2: people fleeing and their GDP collapsed. That's why Venezuela is

1759
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 2: in the state that's in right, and that's why I've

1760
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 2: blown up ships off their coast because you know, exporting

1761
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 2: drugs as a you know, front for China is the

1762
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 2: only opportunity that they have and it's an all origination.

1763
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 2: It's it's a shame, it really is.

1764
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 6: Well, next time will be different, Yeah, but you know.

1765
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:09,720
Speaker 2: What, because now we have the Internet and that's the

1766
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 2: game change. We have AI. They didn't have the they

1767
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 2: didn't have the AI back in the nineties. It's going

1768
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 2: to be different this time around.

1769
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 4: Now.

1770
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 2: The only thing to change was we had yet people

1771
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 2: come of age, be born and not seeing the abject

1772
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 2: poverty and problems with these models, and then they just

1773
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 2: go this seems like a sexy thing because they're buying,

1774
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 2: you know, they're buying something somebody else. Almos like, Yeah,

1775
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 2: you don't have to work and the state supplies everything.

1776
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 2: Sign me up. Who doesn't want that? It's like crawling

1777
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 2: back in the womb. You don't have to be responsible, accoutable.

1778
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 2: You don't have to hustle or do anything. But if

1779
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,599
Speaker 2: if you do, and if you want to, we don't

1780
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 2: have room for you. There's no incentive to do that. Again,

1781
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 2: it's a ken Jerarden. You can read about this at

1782
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 2: Manhattan Institute dot dot com or is it dot org?

1783
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 6: I apologize it's Manhattan dot Institute.

1784
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:51,919
Speaker 2: Manhattan dot Institute.

1785
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 7: There you go.

1786
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 8: So I really.

1787
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 2: It could be the best, the good best, or socialism

1788
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 2: on the husband. Anyway, thanks again, I appreciate it can be.

1789
01:26:58,800 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 6: Well, thanks for you.

1790
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy went from come on, it's another joke,

1791
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 2: an other socialist. Actually, it looks like he's gonna wind

1792
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 2: up winning, uh the Mayor's office city of New York.

1793
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,759
Speaker 2: And that's going to be really interesting considering this anti

1794
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 2: cop and pretty anti capitalism kind of stance on a

1795
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 2: lot of stuff AOC incorporated over there. We'll see how

1796
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 2: it goes. Probably not well, probably rent control is another one.

1797
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 2: I don't see how that works out anyway. We live

1798
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 2: in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana. We don't live in New York City.

1799
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 2: So there you go news in just a few minutes.

1800
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 2: And when returned to The Scotsland Show on seven hundred

1801
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:35,719
Speaker 2: w W, Sarah's here snorting through her nose, laughing about

1802
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:40,439
Speaker 2: sports because the alternative is crying snorts of all sorts

1803
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 2: aka the Snort Report. Next seven hundred, it.

1804
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:03,920
Speaker 7: Might get a little spicy today.

1805
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm curious, yes, to know someone who's eternally optimistic, not

1806
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 2: ridiculous like SEG where they could be oh to twelve.

1807
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 7: Oh, We're never on SEG.

1808
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 2: Don't think you're on that level of fandom slash as

1809
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 2: kissing slash delusion.

1810
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 7: Where are you right, craziness?

1811
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 2: Where are you with this football team right now?

1812
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 7: The game over the weekend sent me over.

1813
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 2: The edge, over the edge. You were there, weren't you?

1814
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 7: I was there.

1815
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 9: I was with my husband, my dad, my uncle. I

1816
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 9: think among the four of us there were over one

1817
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 9: hundred f bombs dropped. Hi, you going to lose to

1818
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 9: the seven Jets? If anyone's going to hand them thirty

1819
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 9: nine points, might as well be the Bengals defense.

1820
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 2: They put up five hundred plus yards Wednesday. The last

1821
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 2: time they did that was like fifteen years ago when

1822
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 2: they played the Bengals. Last time.

1823
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 7: Unheard of.

1824
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 9: God, I guess on Monday they had a defensive player's

1825
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 9: only meeting to.

1826
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 7: Be a fly on the wall in there. I don't

1827
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 7: know what they accomplished. What are you going to say?

1828
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,720
Speaker 2: One wants to step up? Someone needs to be a cump,

1829
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: somebody needs No, he's right, that's crazy. Aboudment of your

1830
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 2: team is that you don't have any leaders.

1831
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 9: Trey Hendrickson, What about that guy? Isn't he one of

1832
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 9: the captains but he's not loud? Didn't you name six

1833
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 9: guys as captain?

1834
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,600
Speaker 2: You the guy's gonna just start screaming at guys in

1835
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 2: the room. That's what you need. That's a leader.

1836
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 7: When am I going to see Zach Taylor throw a chair?

1837
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 2: You're not.

1838
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 7: I want to see some chair throwing. Come on, get

1839
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 7: pissed off.

1840
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:32,639
Speaker 2: Imagine what Dan Campbell would be doing.

1841
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 7: Oh my god, right, throw a chair?

1842
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 2: You think Tomlin threw some chairs after he got beat

1843
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 2: by the back.

1844
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 9: Yes, we need the Tomlin attitude here in Cincinnati. Sunday

1845
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 9: sent me over. Now it's Wednesday.

1846
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 2: It's so mad. He said, there's a thing. That's how

1847
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:52,280
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor gets fired. He takes a chair and throws

1848
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:54,679
Speaker 2: it through a window, and he gets fired for destroying

1849
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 2: company property because that costs money.

1850
01:29:56,520 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 7: Exactly, you're losing the jet.

1851
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 2: But he broke a window, calling not such a one

1852
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:05,719
Speaker 2: thousand dollars of that window in that chair was sixty

1853
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 2: nine to ninety eight at IKEA. We're not going to

1854
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 2: have this run a tight budget down here.

1855
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 8: Now.

1856
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 7: That just set them over.

1857
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 9: Oh my god, I'm still not okay, speaking of money,

1858
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 9: season ticket holders not okay. I came across this article

1859
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 9: yesterday from Cincinnati inchoir making its rounds all over social media.

1860
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 9: I've got it on my Twitter x page, outs Sara.

1861
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:30,719
Speaker 9: At least one twenty eight go chime in. The comments

1862
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 9: are so good. At least just read the comments about

1863
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 9: pissed off season ticket members.

1864
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 4: Uh.

1865
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 7: The article is a thank you letter to the Brown

1866
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 7: and Blackburn.

1867
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 9: Family for increasing season ticket pricing for twenty twenty six.

1868
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 9: The example in this article the guy says he's paying

1869
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 9: forty six hundred dollars for nine games now next season

1870
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 9: going up to six thousand dollars six thousand bucks in

1871
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 9: twenty twenty six. He says, when it's twenty twenty two,

1872
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 9: tickets have increased by over two hundred percent. Also, season

1873
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,640
Speaker 9: ticket members not happy that their thank you gift is

1874
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 9: a sticker. What a sticker?

1875
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 2: A sticker?

1876
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 7: A sticker?

1877
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 2: What's a sticker? Say, season ticket holder? That's it the

1878
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 2: QR code for VENMO. You can send them more money exactly.

1879
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 9: And I guess season ticket members are not happy because

1880
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 9: they'll go to these like exclusive season ticket member events

1881
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 9: where they're having to pay extra money for things like

1882
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 9: you got to spend extra money to take a pick

1883
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 9: with who day, or to get this little I don't know,

1884
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:39,719
Speaker 9: this extra gift.

1885
01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:41,920
Speaker 7: I don't know. I'm not I'm not a season ticket member.

1886
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 9: My dad used to be, and he dropped them before

1887
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 9: the Joe Burrow era because he was so pissed about

1888
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 9: missing the playoffs and spending extra money and the pricing

1889
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:52,600
Speaker 9: going up and having the license for the seat and

1890
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:53,920
Speaker 9: here we go again, so and then.

1891
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 7: Here we go.

1892
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 9: It's like a vicious circle. You know, your quarterback is

1893
01:31:56,920 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 9: constantly sidelined. You can't get a new defense. The icing

1894
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,720
Speaker 9: just keeps going up and then they're getting hounded by

1895
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 9: you know, the sales like, what are you gonna do?

1896
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:07,479
Speaker 9: You're gonna renew what's going on? Otherwise you're going to

1897
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:08,720
Speaker 9: go on a wait list if you ever want to

1898
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 9: get them back.

1899
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:12,679
Speaker 7: But here's the thing. I understand being a sales person

1900
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 7: with a sports team. I used to do it. It's

1901
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 7: a very tough job. So it's not on them. They're

1902
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 7: just trying to get their numbers and.

1903
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:18,560
Speaker 2: They're getting yelled it.

1904
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 9: But yeah, and it sucks though, because they do have

1905
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 9: to be the person that tells you, hey, the pricing

1906
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 9: is going up.

1907
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 2: Do you want the seats?

1908
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 7: Do you want the seats or not? Otherwise you're going

1909
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:26,439
Speaker 7: to go back on a wait list for years.

1910
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 2: See, I think you're looking at it wrong.

1911
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 7: I am, you know what.

1912
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's why you're looking and why. Here's why angry

1913
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 2: fans are okay, and I get it because they're not happy.

1914
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be happy about this. But here's the thing.

1915
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 2: You need to look at this not as hey, it's

1916
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:40,560
Speaker 2: my team, I'm gonna go to every single game. You

1917
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 2: need to look at this if you have the money

1918
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,600
Speaker 2: as investment. So let's say for example, I don't know,

1919
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 2: you're looking to see, that's a PSL, right, do the

1920
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 2: PSL personal seat license? In some stadiums they do this,

1921
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 2: and they don't like there's I know that my dad

1922
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:54,840
Speaker 2: had to do it, right, like like like I don't know,

1923
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 2: four grand a seat or something like that, right, right, Okay,

1924
01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 2: So I got to lay that out and then look

1925
01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:01,120
Speaker 2: at the season tickets and is X dollars a season?

1926
01:33:01,240 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 2: You know, a couple thousand? Okay, So if you go

1927
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 2: to I don't know, half the home games, can you

1928
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 2: then turn around and sell those tickets on the secondary market?

1929
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 2: The way stadiums are now, they're not doing box office.

1930
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 2: There's no such thing as a box office. It's all

1931
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:20,080
Speaker 2: secondary market. It's all hub. It's the NFL. The NFL

1932
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 2: does it whatever, right, So you got to look at

1933
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 2: that and go, all right, I put the money out.

1934
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 2: If I sold tickets to these games like the Steelers

1935
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 2: or Casey or whoever's coming to town, can I make

1936
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 2: up in those three or four games? Can I make

1937
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 2: up the difference and actually make money off the season ticket?

1938
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:38,520
Speaker 7: Okayt members that do that and they lose.

1939
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 2: Money, Okay, that's because it's the Bengals.

1940
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 7: They came in negative last year by five thousand bucks.

1941
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 2: That's the problem. So you got to look at that

1942
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,120
Speaker 2: as an investment, going, hey can I make money by

1943
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 2: selling this to whatever team travels?

1944
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 8: Well? Right?

1945
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 7: Like you do that the like look at the Lions fans.

1946
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 7: They took over our stadium, so.

1947
01:33:56,120 --> 01:33:57,600
Speaker 2: You're going to get some of that money back. So

1948
01:33:57,760 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 2: it offsets that cost of being a fan.

1949
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 7: Well, and everything obviously went up when we did get

1950
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:02,679
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow.

1951
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 2: And you look at it as a fan, go, no,

1952
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 2: I want to go to all the home games, and

1953
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 2: then you're miserable about it. And I'm not saying not

1954
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 2: buy the tickets, but you know it's set up like now,

1955
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 2: it's more of investment going hey can I get some

1956
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 2: of this money back and make I may lose my money.

1957
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 7: I think most people come back in the negatives.

1958
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 2: They're not in to make money. But it off racks

1959
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 2: considerably that investment.

1960
01:34:18,360 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, because once you do get rid of them, you

1961
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 9: have to go back on a wait list to get them,

1962
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 9: is what the sales rep I guess is saying.

1963
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 2: And if you're new a fan, quit looking at it

1964
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 2: as a oh I'm a fan, super fan I need

1965
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 2: to go to every game. No, you need to look

1966
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:29,920
Speaker 2: at as an investment.

1967
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 7: You can be both things.

1968
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 9: You can be a super fan and you can also

1969
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:37,720
Speaker 9: be mad about the rising cost and get rid of

1970
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:40,679
Speaker 9: your season tickets. Yep, it doesn't go against your fandom.

1971
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 9: I mean, just because I'm going to stay at home

1972
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 9: this Sunday and watch the game on tea doesn't make

1973
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 9: me less of a fan.

1974
01:34:47,080 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.

1975
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 7: Saying this is too expensive.

1976
01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 9: I did get on tickpic this morning just to look

1977
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 9: at what it's going to be against the Bears this Sunday.

1978
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 7: It's like two fifty for the end zone coming down

1979
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 7: to and are they I guess so it's an easy drugs.

1980
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:01,560
Speaker 2: They're not like Cubs fans, and they're rabbit about that.

1981
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:03,679
Speaker 9: I mean, the Bears aren't too bad of a team

1982
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 9: four and three. It's worth a travel. I've got a

1983
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 9: couple of friends that are making the trips.

1984
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 2: So sure enough, selling your tickets for three hund or

1985
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 2: whatever it is, and you know you offset that cost

1986
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 2: a little bit more. You're right, it's an investment, it.

1987
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 10: Is, and it is.

1988
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 9: It's very expensive to go to a game. I mean

1989
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 9: you pay for the parking and then you get a

1990
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:22,759
Speaker 9: I mean, it's a seven hundred day, seven hundred dollars

1991
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 9: day out.

1992
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 2: It sucks charging the season ticket holders though, to have

1993
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 2: their picture taket with the mascot is that's insulting.

1994
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 9: And that's what the article on Inquire is saying, go

1995
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 9: check it out. The guy who's saying yeah, like you know,

1996
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:35,400
Speaker 9: the company the Christmas party, they're you know, they're wanting

1997
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 9: money to take a pic with who Day with the

1998
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 9: Santa and all that.

1999
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 7: I mean, whatever, that makes no sense.

2000
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 2: This is really interesting because there's no one more positive

2001
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 2: outside of seg on this radio station about Cincinnati sports teams.

2002
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:48,919
Speaker 7: But you always try to stay positive.

2003
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 2: But Sunday she's been a hundred right now because you're like, look,

2004
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 2: I go to all the games. You know, I'm taking pictures,

2005
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:59,519
Speaker 2: I got my all stuff, I'm supportive, I'm doing and

2006
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 2: if you Sarah lease.

2007
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 7: You got really ross, You've really lozed.

2008
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 9: And I won't be there on Sunday. I have a

2009
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,600
Speaker 9: reason for that. I will be out of down. But

2010
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 9: it is getting ridiculously expensive to be there.

2011
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 2: It's always just going to get more expensive every year.

2012
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 9: Yes, and again that's why my dad dropped his stuff too,

2013
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 9: and I don't blame him. So ticket price is going

2014
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 9: up for twenty twenty six. That is something trending on

2015
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 9: social media.

2016
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 2: Good good time to do that. When your team sucks,

2017
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 2: and I mean Joe Burrow, somebody's fine. The offense did great,

2018
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 2: the running game was great.

2019
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 7: Offense is not the problem. The thirty eight points. That

2020
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 7: should be an easy.

2021
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 2: Waiting for Joe Burrow to come. Well, if Joe Burrow

2022
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 2: comes back, somebody said, well yesterday talk about how they

2023
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:43,600
Speaker 2: should go and get Brendon Sorosby and Trent coach him up.

2024
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:45,440
Speaker 2: It's like, that's the dumbest d every.

2025
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 7: Can you play defense?

2026
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 2: If Flacco's fine, he's doing fine.

2027
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 7: Blaco is great.

2028
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 9: Flacco looked great on Sunday, he looked great the week before.

2029
01:36:54,479 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 9: He looked great in Lambeau. The play calling, then you

2030
01:36:57,240 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 9: look at that in that final strength. It's not on Flacco.

2031
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 7: Why are you going up the middle?

2032
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 2: Thank you? Yoshibash couldn't catch a cold. At this point.

2033
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 7: I love Yoshi, No you don't. I love him as

2034
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:09,759
Speaker 7: a person.

2035
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 2: I don't care about great dude, he's Cincinnati, but he's

2036
01:37:13,160 --> 01:37:14,240
Speaker 2: such a good guy.

2037
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 9: And that's what that's what people were saying about Zach

2038
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 9: Taylor a great guy, wonderful family man, super nice.

2039
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 7: But I don't want nice anymore. I want wins.

2040
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want wins. Go ahead, and you know what,

2041
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:26,559
Speaker 2: if you want to add to the crime problem in Cincinnati,

2042
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 2: go ahead, as long as you win.

2043
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:29,400
Speaker 8: Right.

2044
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:31,479
Speaker 7: So the trade deadline is.

2045
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:34,759
Speaker 2: I don't care, but you're asked better be there on Sunday.

2046
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 9: Trade deadline is Tuesday. I don't know what they're gonna do,

2047
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 9: if anything.

2048
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:40,760
Speaker 2: What do you think they're going to do?

2049
01:37:40,920 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 7: Nothing? Nothing, nothing.

2050
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:43,760
Speaker 2: We've got. We're good enough to win. It's just we

2051
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 2: need someone to step up. You drafted guys who don't

2052
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 2: step up. That's the problem.

2053
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,560
Speaker 7: I don't get it. What has Shamar Stewart done for

2054
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 7: this team?

2055
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 2: Nothing to be done. That's starting to look like a

2056
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 2: boss now. He's still young. It's only a few games.

2057
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 7: But I did two and a half tackles and college

2058
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:04,679
Speaker 7: and then nothing went down Game two and then getting

2059
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 7: coached up.

2060
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but it ain't good.

2061
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:10,759
Speaker 7: This defense is really it's horrible, not good, horrible.

2062
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:13,720
Speaker 9: Speaking of bad news for the defense, Trey Hendrickson is

2063
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 9: day to day back with that hip injury, that's definitely.

2064
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:18,680
Speaker 9: We saw him go out before halftime. Day to day

2065
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 9: it's three henderckson a waste of money.

2066
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:23,760
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you don't know when guy get hurt.

2067
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 2: That's not fair.

2068
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 9: I understand that. But can we say that he's injury prone. Well,

2069
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 9: there's a lot of money for that guy that we

2070
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 9: really haven't seen much out of. And guess what when

2071
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 9: he was on the sidelines during that Steelers game, they

2072
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:36,720
Speaker 9: still managed to win.

2073
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 2: Have you got me slit my wrist? You got any

2074
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:42,639
Speaker 2: good news? I love crapping on the Bengals a year.

2075
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:47,479
Speaker 2: Hey night, that's a game.

2076
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 7: We're moving on.

2077
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 9: I did I watch it the entire time. Dankee is

2078
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 9: king with twelve minutes left to go, I was so excited.

2079
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:56,320
Speaker 9: Hopefully they can go and get it done this Sunday

2080
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:56,959
Speaker 9: and Columbus.

2081
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 7: I have all the faith in the world and this

2082
01:38:58,360 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 7: team please bring us home a drove.

2083
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 2: They were all over them and they should have six

2084
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 2: goals and they just couldn't find And finally they dominated.

2085
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 7: That game over Columbus really did. It was great. It

2086
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 7: was great.

2087
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 2: Eventually they go in but on Columbus that fought pretty well.

2088
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 7: How many games away until the final. I guess five.

2089
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:15,840
Speaker 7: They have to get five like that.

2090
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully you go to Columbus on what Sunday night,

2091
01:39:18,720 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 2: Sunday night and beat them there and then you don't

2092
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 2: have to play that third. You don't want to go

2093
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:23,559
Speaker 2: to a third.

2094
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:24,240
Speaker 7: Game, exactly.

2095
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 2: I don't shoot off for the longest time. I hate

2096
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 2: the idea of going to a shootout.

2097
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:29,439
Speaker 7: But I think that they have to do that during

2098
01:39:29,479 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 7: regular season games. That's something that you want to do.

2099
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 2: But don't they do that in the playoffs too? Don't

2100
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:34,640
Speaker 2: they go to a Yeah, they go to like a kid,

2101
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 2: they go directly to that. Oh, I think that's terrible.

2102
01:39:36,960 --> 01:39:38,679
Speaker 7: I just don't like the ending in a tie thing.

2103
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:41,560
Speaker 2: Especially in the playoffs. Right, you can't do that, you know,

2104
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,760
Speaker 2: It's like hockey, sudden death overtime is great speaking of

2105
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:46,800
Speaker 2: falls over dead because I.

2106
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:48,200
Speaker 7: Know we don't have a whole lot of time left.

2107
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 7: We're trying to keep it positive.

2108
01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 9: Let's go our Cincinnati Cyclones are back tomorrow night, and

2109
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 9: it's it's a very special night.

2110
01:39:55,960 --> 01:40:00,720
Speaker 7: Why because I'm going to be the sirens and I'll

2111
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 7: have a very special guest with me.

2112
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:05,240
Speaker 2: Okay, a sirens sound like can you imitate the siren

2113
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 2: in exactly saying that's what she sounds like to her

2114
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:18,800
Speaker 2: husband all the time too. That's the best part. I

2115
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 2: don't know all I hear.

2116
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:24,120
Speaker 7: I told you I'm spicy today. Okay, I gotta get over.

2117
01:40:24,160 --> 01:40:25,719
Speaker 2: There's a special guest the sirens.

2118
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 6: Hander.

2119
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:29,519
Speaker 9: You have to be there to find out. Trey Hendrickson, No,

2120
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 9: his hip bothers him, sure a lot. We don't need

2121
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 9: him to pull a hip while he's moving the siren.

2122
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:36,720
Speaker 7: And it won't be Joe Flacco because he's day to

2123
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 7: day with a shoulder injury.

2124
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:40,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you can't even get past it.

2125
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 9: But less than one hundred and fifty days until opening day,

2126
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:50,240
Speaker 9: all right? Oh and they found out who did the

2127
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:53,120
Speaker 9: Marty statue vandalism.

2128
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, a thirteen year old child.

2129
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:58,920
Speaker 9: At thirteen year old boy at three o'clock in the

2130
01:40:58,960 --> 01:40:59,519
Speaker 9: afternoon on.

2131
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 2: Saturday, I had money engine boden my CPD sources said

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Speaker 2: they found a little hunkle other paints.

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Speaker 7: What do you do with the thirteen year old kid?

2134
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:09,639
Speaker 7: He doesn't go to jail.

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01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:11,360
Speaker 2: He did it, and like he tried to fix it.

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01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 10: He did.

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01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 7: He's probably like, oh crap, that mic just came off

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01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:14,599
Speaker 7: the stand.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see them, and then he ran off. I

2140
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 2: didn't see the whole video. Did he intentionally try to

2141
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 2: bend the mic or was he trying to It's.

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Speaker 7: Kind of hard to tell the footage on so grainy.

2143
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 7: What did Marty say? That mic is about as strong

2144
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Speaker 7: as the Bengals defense.

2145
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:28,440
Speaker 6: Let me tell you, Shouldering.

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Speaker 10: A lot more bothered Trump and had the National Guard

2147
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 10: gen My god, I thought, so too, Will you start

2148
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 10: to facing my likeness? No, that's when we got a

2149
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Speaker 10: real get them damn shoulders down TOEW. I don't know

2150
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:44,840
Speaker 10: what the hell they're doing down here.

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01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:46,760
Speaker 7: It wasn't the sweat out they said they're gonna be

2152
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 7: out from two to ten.

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Speaker 2: Sniper.

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01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 9: Where was the swat snipers around the Marty's just now

2155
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 9: we're going to have security around this thing that's glued

2156
01:41:54,040 --> 01:41:54,559
Speaker 9: to the wall.

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01:41:54,920 --> 01:41:58,640
Speaker 2: You are clear to take the headshot. Clear. They do

2158
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:00,600
Speaker 2: what you want to. Fountain Square. You can do what

2159
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 2: you want to. Crime running rampant, but don't you deface

2160
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Speaker 2: the Hall of Famers.

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01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:06,880
Speaker 7: Don't disrespect my guy.

2162
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 2: Don't do it. That bronze is etched in bronze. Sarah

2163
01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:15,480
Speaker 2: release the Snart report this morning. Any very dismal, depressing.

2164
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Speaker 7: Please get it done this weekend.

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Speaker 9: Please go get the win against the Bears, because then

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01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:21,599
Speaker 9: they go to the by and then the schedule doesn't

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01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:22,599
Speaker 9: get any easier.

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01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:24,719
Speaker 7: It any easy.

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Speaker 2: I'm loose to the Jets. I don't get it. I

2170
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Speaker 2: don't know what to expect Sunday. I really don't, but

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01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 2: I'll watch.

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Speaker 9: That's what I have no prediction. To ask me about

2173
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 9: a score, because I have no idea. I could have

2174
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:33,960
Speaker 9: never predicted thirty nine to thirty eight would be the

2175
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:36,640
Speaker 9: final against the Jets and seven Jets now the one

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01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 9: and seven.

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Speaker 2: One and seven, congratulations. Cincinnati is that team.

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01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,760
Speaker 9: If anyone's going to get those stats up for other teams,

2179
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:43,160
Speaker 9: it's definitely going to be our defense.

2180
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 2: They always optimistic. Sarah, release that siren.

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01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:47,679
Speaker 8: Go again.

2182
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:55,599
Speaker 9: Come to the Cyclones game seven thirty puck job tomorrow.

2183
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,560
Speaker 9: You will hear the siren for yourself and see my

2184
01:42:58,680 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 9: special guest in person.

2185
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:03,639
Speaker 2: Okay. The scary part about this, I wonder do people

2186
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 2: with with what's going on downtown when when people hear

2187
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 2: that siren, do they just do they hide under the seat,

2188
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 2: think twitch a little bit, a little bit.

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01:43:09,880 --> 01:43:13,479
Speaker 7: Like I promise you it's a very pleasant but the

2190
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:15,680
Speaker 7: police definitely not.

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01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:17,680
Speaker 2: Or cat and heat. I don't know what's going on

2192
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Speaker 2: over here.

2193
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Speaker 7: Honestly, that was not a bad impression.

2194
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:21,760
Speaker 2: There's cats lining up at the door right now. They

2195
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:22,200
Speaker 2: want to make you.

2196
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:26,720
Speaker 7: I just looked, sure, I gotta get out of here.

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01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:27,599
Speaker 2: She looked at the door.

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01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:29,839
Speaker 7: That's just really lingering.

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Speaker 2: I'm here now with a soup. I need soup taken.

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Speaker 7: More calls that I By the way, those calls are entertaining.

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Speaker 2: That's that that right there, spicy Ba Tomorrow Kate Chrishio

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Speaker 2: one of two seven e bns to Snort report Wednesday

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Speaker 2: mornings here on the home of the Best and Worst Bangles,

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Speaker 2: Cagge seven hundred w w CINCI that