WEBVTT - The Night Cap with Gary Jeff Walker — 10/6/25 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.080 Welcome to a brand new fall season of The Nightcap 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:09.119 on seven hundred WLW. Gary Jef Walker. Great to be 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.159 back in the catbird seat. Great to be back on 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:15.360 the air with you. Sorry, Reds fans, there's not more 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:20.599 playoff action to consume. And the Bengals, well, we'll leave 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.920 that for later discussion. The wild Man will be joining 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.920 us later, and I know that he has a case 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:31.480 of what he would call the anticipated goo after another 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:35.880 Bengals loss yesterday to the Detroit Lions, which pretty much 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:41.839 everyone expected, I think, including the Bengals. But we start 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:49.120 this evening with my friend Peter Bronson, the author of 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:53.880 so many great books centered on history, especially in this 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:57.720 part of the country, and the former Inquirer columnist and 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.080 just a guy who has been a great boots of 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:06.600 content for me and been a good friend for many years. Now. Pete, 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.479 welcome back into the Nightcap studio. How are you doing. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.000 I'm glad to be here with you, Gary Jeff. You're 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.120 very kind in your introduction there. I appreciate well, no, 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:19.560 I mean you're like a less gist. My first show, 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:24.320 my very first Nightcap, my very first guest was Marty Brenneman. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.839 Oh I only select the best. Oh well, I'm glad 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.160 to be in his company. I like Marty. He's a 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.360 good especially if you're the leadoff hitter. So how have 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:33.759 you been? 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.080 Very good? Life is great. I've been very busy this 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:43.080 summer traveling. Celebrated my fiftieth wedding anniversary with a wife, Kathy, 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:45.920 and that was a lot of fun. We had the 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.040 whole family up on Lake Michigan, as we used to 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:52.160 do when our children were still children, and brought the 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:55.520 grandkids up there so they could see the joy of 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.160 being on the lake and playing in I got. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:02.560 To tell you that there are so many reasons that 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:07.120 I really really admire you and look up to you personally, 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.600 and it has It has very little to do with 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:13.560 your great accomplishments, which would be enough on their own. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:18.800 But the greatest accomplishment I think a man or a 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:23.640 woman can have in this life is an enduring relationship 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:28.280 with a spouse. Oh yes, fifty years is incredible. And 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.280 the thing is people who are if you're listening to 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.080 this and you've not been married, but you're contemplating it 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:41.720 for the first time, warning it is very difficult to maintain. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.600 It's the best job you could ever have. But it 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.200 is a job, is it not. 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:46.800 It is. 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:48.639 There's a lot of responsibility. 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.680 And you know, I would just say to those that 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:54.840 are in their twenties and thirties and they feel like 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:56.680 this is just not going to work and things are 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.760 just too rough, I'll tell you what. Stick it out. 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.160 It's like an investment. It just gets better and it 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.800 pays off better and better and better. The interest compounds 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:10.359 and your life gets better, your marriage gets stronger, your 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.679 family gets stronger, and that's the real payoff. 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.400 Krist and I just celebrated our eleventh winning inn relations 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:25.440 this time, and so all told together. If you count 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:30.160 the first marriage, which I don't know, we'll do just 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:34.680 for the sake of this conversation. We've been together on 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.640 and off since May thirty first of nineteen ninety seven. 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.560 So good, great, you know, we got back together and 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:42.480 God showed us a way to do that and it 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.160 was wonderful and it has been amen to that, Bless 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:48.960 the Lord. So okay, So that's one thing. You have 0:03:49.120 --> 0:03:54.320 been tirelessly working on. Another book which is just about 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.559 ready to come out. Yes, the last. 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:02.320 Book was the last book was called Promise about this area, Yes, 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.600 about the first settlers and pioneers who came here are 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:06.760 a really tough. 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.760 Group of people. Yeah, they were, They had to be. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:13.400 Yeah, the Miami Slaughterhouse, it was known. Cincinnati was really 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.480 wasn't even known as a city or a town at 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.480 the time. It was just a little tiny settlement around 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:23.520 Fort Washington. But everybody did know that it was the 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.640 Miami Slaughterhouse because the Shawnee and the Miami tribes were 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:27.200 so fierce. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.920 Well then you know, all the German settlers finally established 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:35.480 a city here and it became Poorkoppolis and a pig slaughterhouse. Yeah, 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:40.720 the other one, the other slaughterhouse house to another. And 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.200 some people say, with the state of the city of Cincinnati, 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:49.280 it's maybe not necessarily a positive thing that in many 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:53.279 neighborhoods it's become a slaughterhouse again. And that's another topic 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:58.040 for another time. But so tell me about the new book, Peter. Well, 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.360 the new book is called Magical hist Street Tour. And 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.839 what I'm doing in this time is a lot like 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.640 the other books. I'm focusing on our local history and 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:10.800 the really rich treasure of history Cincinnati has, and so 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.480 much of it is buried, it's undiscovered. When you tell 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:18.600 people these stories about what happened, for example, during the 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.800 Confederate invasion of Cincinnati in eighteen sixty two in my 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.760 book called The Man Who Saves Cincinnati, which you've written about. Yeah, 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:27.960 a lot of people are completely I speak about this 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:28.640 all the time. 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:34.359 I do various groups, service clubs and historical societies and 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:37.760 so forth, so I stay busy with that. I was 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.800 totally unaware of that, and so most of the people 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.039 that I meet, and so they are all these great 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:47.039 treasures of history. And this time I've found five that 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.800 I'm using as short stories, and some are you know, 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:52.719 like you could sit down and read it in a 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.520 couple hours, and some are a couple a little bit longer. 0:05:56.640 --> 0:06:00.240 So it's nonfiction, but it's framed of fiction. I would 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:01.480 call it historical fiction. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.159 Historical fiction, so the history is all accurate, and nobody 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:08.560 says or does anything that would be inconsistent or invented 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:12.440 as a means of telling our history, but that we 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.560 use the fictional characters in a few instances to help 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:18.040 move the story along and make it more exciting. So 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.880 I might pair up in one story a real detective, 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.760 a Cincinnati detective in the eighteen middle eighteen hundreds, and 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.400 his name was William Rainey, and a very well decorated 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.000 Civil War veteran and a great detective who's a character 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:35.800 in his own right. But I paired him up with 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.320 a newspaperman who is fictional, but it was based on 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.600 newspapermen at the time. Okay, So, and they're kind of 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:48.239 a cohorts to try and solve this crime that they see, 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:52.880 which is that two women from the Whitewater Shaker commit 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:57.719 community up near Northmen they check into a downtown hotel 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.919 and commit suicide apparently. 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:03.960 And the rest is very interesting. 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:08.320 They were kicked out of the Shaker community, banished for 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:13.320 violating the oath of celibacy, and there was a young 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.600 man who is being allowed to come and stay in 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:21.600 the community who helped them both the mother and the 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:25.920 daughter violate that oath. And it's a very fascinating story 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:32.040 of love, of romance, of mistakes of crazy cults. I 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:36.680 guess you could call them like the Shakers. They're a 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:40.800 little bit on the cultish side, and that's maybe a 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.679 little bit controversial for people who know the Shaker's story. 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.680 But I'll just leave you with this on that one. 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:51.040 If you go out to the Whitewater Shaker Community Cemetery. 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.000 You're gonna find out first of all, that it's not 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.600 well populated because celibacy, you know. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:04.240 A celibate community, Peter. This is how cults die. This 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.520 is this is how the world may die. With the 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:11.760 population rate that we've got in this country and around 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:15.800 the world. You know, we went from this hysteria. We're 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.400 over populated. There's no way that the earth can feed 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.480 that many people. It's going to be horrible. We've got 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.560 to restrict our and you know, now our birth rate 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.200 is not even at replacement rate in the United States. 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:31.720 But anyway, I digress, so very good point. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:36.320 So celibacy is the cult a sac for this. So 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.959 the cemetery is not well populated. It's a lot of 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.120 room with only a few graves in back. But in 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.600 the middle of the cemetery is a monument and it 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:47.760 says this is dedicated to the Shaker community, a community 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.439 of celibate Christian Communists. 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.760 Now who knew that? Who knew that? I did not know? 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:58.000 Isn't that great? 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.319 And so that story I heard about this suicide of 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.640 these two women, I began to investigate it and it 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.079 turned out to be very fascinating. It's a bit of 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:10.040 a mystery. It has some medical mystery in it. It 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:14.440 has mystery of what were these young men doing in 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.400 the Shaker community who were allowed to come in from Cincinnati. 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.280 In this case, the guy was a drunk, a total 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.120 black sheep, and his wealthy family and they sent him 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:28.480 up there to dry out. So interesting story. Well, instead 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.760 of drying out, he got two women kicked out. Yes, 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.520 and the double standard that becomes evident where he was 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.400 allowed to come back and the women were not A 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:42.120 very sad story, but fascinating. And so that's one of 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:46.360 the stories. But yeah, the book is a magical history tour, yes, yes. 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:50.120 And in it also I will include ten places that 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:54.040 you need to see or visit with your kids to 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:58.280 show them and explain Cincinnati history, what really happened here 0:09:58.440 --> 0:09:59.559 and the importance of it. 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:05.000 You've you've lived in Cincinnati a little bit right around 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.360 the time that I have. I moved here in nineteen 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:11.560 ninety four, the second I came ninety two, not originally 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.800 from here. But you have so sunk your teeth into 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.480 the culture and history of this town. I love it. 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:23.720 Do you think that if you had, for example, remained 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:31.160 in Arizona or remained in Michigan, that you would have 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.040 found the same treasure trove there. Is it because you 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.079 were you were eating at the table that's set for you, 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.280 or do you think that there's something very unique and 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:44.600 special about this area in particular, well from Wrining history, I. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:46.800 Kind of answered that all of the above, But with 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.560 the exception of Michigan, because I grew up in Michigan, 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.079 I took it all for granted and I didn't really 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:53.400 have the history, didn't really interest. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.559 There was a lot of people probably take Cincinnati history 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:57.640 for granted, and that's the reason people like you write 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:58.679 books exactly. 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.079 So you might be living in Arizona for ten or 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:05.120 eleven years as I would, as I did, and yet 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.320 I didn't go to the Grand Canyon. Well, people that 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:09.040 I knew that live there all their lives didn't go 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.240 to the Grand Canyon. Yeah, you know, so, I mean 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:12.880 it's sort of like one of those things if you 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.199 just grow up there, you take it in stride and 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.959 it's like that's just the way it is. Whereas when 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.960 I came to a place new, I was fascinated by 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.760 Arizona history and the history of the Arizona Rangers and 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.160 the wild West and all the things that happened out there. 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:29.240 Very exciting history. But when I came to Cincinnati, I 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.120 find it's even richer because it goes back so much farther, 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.559 and it goes back to the seventeen hundred, the late 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:39.000 seventeen hundreds, you know, for the for the Western civilization 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.520 part of it. And there's just so much rich history 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.839 here and so much that I still haven't uncovered and discovered. 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:53.320 Do you find that in your research there are ample 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.760 people to talk to that do know these things, so 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:59.000 you can call this information out into a book. I mean, 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:00.920 where do you find sources? 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:01.319 Oh? 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:05.480 This is it's like the golden age of historical research. 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:06.559 I believe I. 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.040 Can find things that used to take me weeks in 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.480 the newsroom to just because of the Internet and because 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:13.600 I can push a few buttons on a keyboard and 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:14.439 I know where to go. 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:19.280 Be careful. Dave Patter has warned me that AI hallucinates. 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.480 So do you want to I don't let me say 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:25.760 right up front, I do not use AI in any 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.079 way for my books. I don't trust it, and i've 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.240 as an artist or a writer, what modest level of 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.720 that I have. I am not willing to forfeit my 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.959 intellectual imagination and my capacity to write to some machine 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:41.560 that's going to tell me how it should be done. 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:43.760 No way, I don't touch that stuff. 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:48.600 Well, the problem is and uh, actually I'll be talking 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:53.240 to Dave this week on the program. But the thing 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:57.240 that he was bringing up just last Saturday morning was 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:01.560 the problem with AI is that it consumes other AI, 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:06.120 and soon there will be no human content on the 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:10.680 Internet at all. That's all gary replaced by artificial intention. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.280 How can we possibly trust that? You know, I was 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:17.160 listening to an interesting podcast the other day, and I 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.080 like to do that while I'm walking, and a lot 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.480 of times they stimulate your imagination. I'm listening to an 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:22.800 interesting podcast right now. 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.120 And this person, who has done a lot of research 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:31.160 on this, said that he compared AI. He said, this 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:35.120 is the biblical tree of knowledge by which you will 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:39.080 gain wisdom and the promises that you will be like God. 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.680 Remember the tree of wisdom in the Garden of Eden. 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:45.600 That was the serpent that said, yes, have this eat 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.719 of the tree of wisdom that God forbids, and you 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.960 will be like God, and you will know all that 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.640 you need to know about good and evil. Well, he's 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.680 saying that this is where AI. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.200 Is going to go. It's going to be the the 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:04.520 tree of knowledge of good and evil, and by imbibing 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:09.000 in it, you are paying a huge price, mankind. Oh, 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:16.679 I believe that full stop. For Adam and Eve, it 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:18.840 was being banished from the garden. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:22.440 They lost their their relationship with their direct relationship with them. 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:25.720 They suddenly suddenly found out that they were naked. 0:14:26.040 --> 0:14:31.320 Yeah, they realized the self awareness of their of their 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:32.520 frailty and their weakness. 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.280 And what did they do. They tried to cover themselves up. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.680 The problem with AI that makes us even more of 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:44.240 an issue is that, as Hatter told me, AI, AI 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:51.080 is consuming AI, and AI has already been proven to 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:56.120 hallucinate and just make things up blatantly. So well, did 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:56.600 you see. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:01.640 The story about the AI that used one of its 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:05.200 creators and had read her email and found out that 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:09.280 she was having an affair and it threatened to expose 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.760 this to all of the people in her workplace and 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:15.920 her family and her social network unless she would promise 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:17.280 never to unplug it. 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.920 Wow, No, I did not hear that story. Oh, there 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:23.360 are several stories. 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:27.320 Out there blackmailing people AI, the blackmailing AI will lie, 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.960 it learns to lie. Yeah, and I mean it's going 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.960 back to the two thousand and one Space Odyssey with 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:36.040 how the Computer. 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.920 I'm sorry, I can't do that, Dave. Yeah, you're making 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:47.920 a big mistake. Dave got chills. Really. So I'll just 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.720 preface the next segment with this talking to Peter Bronson 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:56.640 on the Nightcap the new fall season, and. 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:03.240 You need to have a little from last week's episode 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.840 or the Law and loorder boom uh. 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.120 But real quickly to preface what we're going to talk 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.960 about next a little bit. I was on for Tom 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.280 Brenman filling in a couple of weeks back, and I 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.640 just came out of the breaking and it just struck me. 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:23.760 I said, I'm becoming very concerned that I'm not as 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.400 concerned as I should be about all the craziness going 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.440 on around me. Yeah, and we'll get into that next. Oh, 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:32.680 that's a good topic. Peter Bronson with us on this 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:38.840 new Nightcap. A new book coming out, the Magical History Tour. 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:40.400 When's that going to be out? 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.080 It'll be out at the end of October. If everything 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.360 goes well, I should have it off the presses before 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.520 the end of this month of October, and it'll will 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.640 be ready then for Christmas sales. And I'll be trying 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.600 my best to get the word out everywhere I can, well, 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.040 including here here. Yes, absolutely, right now we're doing it 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.720 more from Chili Dog, Yes, press dot com. 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.840 All right on seven hundred WLW A break and then back. 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:11.600 This is Jim and Pete. Of course, not do you 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:13.560 live you don't live in the city of Cincinnati. No, 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.040 I don't. I live in Milford. So you cannot vote 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:20.719 in the upcoming Cincinnati mayoral or council elections. No, that's 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:21.400 a problem. 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.239 Yes, I always thought I always thought it was an 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:28.000 outrageous taxation without representation, that they take employ taxes from 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.000 people who worked on town as they did for me 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.280 the entire time I was working at the Inquired not 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.919 a little bit, not a little bit. It was a 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:38.679 significant tax. And that yet they're taking your taxes and 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.000 they give you no representation. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.320 You don't even have any vote, and who's running the 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.480 city simply because you're not living there. But but you're 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.040 paying the tax, paying the taxes. It's one of the 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:51.600 great things about moving the studios out here to Kenwood 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:53.560 is that we were out of the city of Cincinnati 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.439 and they stopped extracting their a pound of flesh or 0:17:57.480 --> 0:17:59.159 maybe a pound and a half out of me and 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:00.680 I live in Kentucky. 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.960 I mean, that's the great migration right out of the 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:04.800 blue cities. 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:09.320 People are leaving blue cities. Wait until Zorn mandani ohhens 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.520 the New York City rare in New York. They are businesses, 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:18.399 people with money stock exchange in Texas. The tax base 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:20.840 that he was planning on using for all of these 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.160 eye eye in this you know pie in the sky 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:26.520 social programs that he's promising the millennials in the gen 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:28.960 Z who are the only ones that are going to 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:33.400 come out and vote number one. This is the big 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:37.600 problem with Cincinnati too, and many other big towns. You 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:42.440 have an off year, so called off year mayoral election, Yeah, 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:48.080 council election, very thin turnout uh as little as eleven 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:53.000 or twelve percent in some cases, Pete. Yeah, So you 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.439 have taxation without representation, but the people are choosing not 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.119 to be represented by not going to the polls and voting. 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:04.119 For sure. And in this town, we have a mayor 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:09.159 who continues to say that the ongoing violence, which he 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:13.640 describes as gun violence. Yeah, it's all the guns is unacceptable, 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:17.359 and he says this over and over and over again, 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.640 but yet nothing is really done about it. And I'm 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:27.160 not sure that Aftab pure vol alone could stop the violence, 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:29.720 whether it be with gun or machete or any. 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.679 Other Well, I don't know, Gary, Jeff. I mean, what 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.959 we're seeing happened in Washington, d C. What we're going 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:40.160 to see happen in very maybe Chicago, maybe Chicago. Right 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.720 now it seems to be going in the Memphis, Memphis. 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.040 Los Angeles, New Orleans. Yeah, Portland. 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.399 What we're seeing in these cities is just a proof, 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.960 a very vivid, textbook demonstration of lack of leadership. Yes, 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:59.000 if you provide the enforcement, this crime doesn't have to exist. 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.399 If you provide, you have back your parturrence, Yes, you 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:04.960 back the police. Really, what these National Guard troops are 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:07.640 doing is the administrative stuff so the police can get 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:08.640 out there and do their job. 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:11.880 Well. In the National Guard troops that are being brought in, 0:20:12.440 --> 0:20:16.520 which this judge is Biden appointed judge out in Oregon 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:21.480 has stopped Trump's plan to come into Portland, which is 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:26.280 temporarily right. We'll see how it goes through the court system. 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:30.800 But what the federal troops are there for are to 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:37.880 protect federal buildings, yes, that are being attacked, exactly, federal 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.720 law enforcement that are being attacked. That's what they're trying 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:42.679 to bring in the National Guard and the federal troops 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:48.040 for mobilizing the California National Guard, which Gavin Newsom, of course, 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:52.760 for purely political reasons, not for public safety reasons, not 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:57.600 for common sense reasons, is roundly rejecting because it would 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:01.040 be a referendum on how poor the leadership is in 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:05.000 the lack of enforcement, and that has been If you say, 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.840 a mayor of Los Angeles by the governor of California, 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:08.680 go ahead. 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.480 If you say, like aftab Our, mayor, this is a 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.560 problem of gun violence, and the solution is in these 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.280 root causes. Basically, what you're saying is there's nothing we 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:21.760 can do about it. It's generational. It's all society's fault. 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:24.240 And then if you have somebody come in to DC 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:28.760 like President Trump did and demonstrate that in a matter 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:33.800 of even overnight, within days, that city is safe. The 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.400 murders have stopped, people can use the restaurants, they can 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.119 walk alone on the street. 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.120 They went over a week without a murder in Washington, 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:45.080 d C. That hadn't happened in years in the nation's capital. 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:48.080 So what he's basically done is he's made people like 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.480 Aftab and their root causes a liar. 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:53.600 He's made them a fool. He's made them look like 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:57.359 they absolutely have no clue what's going on, and they don't. 0:21:57.880 --> 0:21:59.520 I mean, honestly, Gary, Jeff. 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:03.679 These problems have always been around and what we've what 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:05.879 we learned from them is that if you enforce the 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:09.879 law with zero tolerance, with the broken windows theory, with 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:11.720 all these other things, if you put people on the 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:15.520 street that are enforcing the law, the crime problem goes away. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.439 So if you're listening to this so difficult. If you're 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:22.280 listening to this and you're a citizen of Cincinnati and 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:26.040 you're not registered to vote, well that's problem one. But 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:28.960 if you're registered to vote and you're not going to vote, 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:31.320 with all the opportunities you have to vote within the 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:34.639 next month, it's on you. It's not an a have 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:36.679 to have pure vault. It's not in the city council. 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:41.919 It's on It's not on the prosecuting attorney, it's not 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:46.760 on the police chief. If you don't vote and let 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:51.640 your voice be heard. When you have more than ample opportunity, 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:54.760 then then it then it is then it is your fault. 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:56.919 Then it is societal. Don't you think I do? 0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:59.600 And and another thing on the mega trends here that 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:01.879 we're seeing is that in these blue cities, as you 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:05.600 see out migration, what happens is the people who today 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.040 are the most radical, They're the ones who are happy 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:11.840