Speaker 1: Welcome to a brand new fall season of The Nightcap
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW. Gary Jef Walker. Great to be
Speaker 1: back in the catbird seat. Great to be back on
Speaker 1: the air with you. Sorry, Reds fans, there's not more
Speaker 1: playoff action to consume. And the Bengals, well, we'll leave
Speaker 1: that for later discussion. The wild Man will be joining
Speaker 1: us later, and I know that he has a case
Speaker 1: of what he would call the anticipated goo after another
Speaker 1: Bengals loss yesterday to the Detroit Lions, which pretty much
Speaker 1: everyone expected, I think, including the Bengals. But we start
Speaker 1: this evening with my friend Peter Bronson, the author of
Speaker 1: so many great books centered on history, especially in this
Speaker 1: part of the country, and the former Inquirer columnist and
Speaker 1: just a guy who has been a great boots of
Speaker 1: content for me and been a good friend for many years. Now. Pete,
Speaker 1: welcome back into the Nightcap studio. How are you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here with you, Gary Jeff. You're
Speaker 1: very kind in your introduction there. I appreciate well, no,
Speaker 1: I mean you're like a less gist. My first show,
Speaker 1: my very first Nightcap, my very first guest was Marty Brenneman.
Speaker 1: Oh I only select the best. Oh well, I'm glad
Speaker 1: to be in his company. I like Marty. He's a
Speaker 1: good especially if you're the leadoff hitter. So how have
Speaker 1: you been?
Speaker 2: Very good? Life is great. I've been very busy this
Speaker 2: summer traveling. Celebrated my fiftieth wedding anniversary with a wife, Kathy,
Speaker 2: and that was a lot of fun. We had the
Speaker 2: whole family up on Lake Michigan, as we used to
Speaker 2: do when our children were still children, and brought the
Speaker 2: grandkids up there so they could see the joy of
Speaker 2: being on the lake and playing in I got.
Speaker 1: To tell you that there are so many reasons that
Speaker 1: I really really admire you and look up to you personally,
Speaker 1: and it has It has very little to do with
Speaker 1: your great accomplishments, which would be enough on their own.
Speaker 1: But the greatest accomplishment I think a man or a
Speaker 1: woman can have in this life is an enduring relationship
Speaker 1: with a spouse. Oh yes, fifty years is incredible. And
Speaker 1: the thing is people who are if you're listening to
Speaker 1: this and you've not been married, but you're contemplating it
Speaker 1: for the first time, warning it is very difficult to maintain.
Speaker 1: It's the best job you could ever have. But it
Speaker 1: is a job, is it not.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of responsibility.
Speaker 2: And you know, I would just say to those that
Speaker 2: are in their twenties and thirties and they feel like
Speaker 2: this is just not going to work and things are
Speaker 2: just too rough, I'll tell you what. Stick it out.
Speaker 2: It's like an investment. It just gets better and it
Speaker 2: pays off better and better and better. The interest compounds
Speaker 2: and your life gets better, your marriage gets stronger, your
Speaker 2: family gets stronger, and that's the real payoff.
Speaker 1: Krist and I just celebrated our eleventh winning inn relations
Speaker 1: this time, and so all told together. If you count
Speaker 1: the first marriage, which I don't know, we'll do just
Speaker 1: for the sake of this conversation. We've been together on
Speaker 1: and off since May thirty first of nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 1: So good, great, you know, we got back together and
Speaker 1: God showed us a way to do that and it
Speaker 1: was wonderful and it has been amen to that, Bless
Speaker 1: the Lord. So okay, So that's one thing. You have
Speaker 1: been tirelessly working on. Another book which is just about
Speaker 1: ready to come out. Yes, the last.
Speaker 2: Book was the last book was called Promise about this area, Yes,
Speaker 2: about the first settlers and pioneers who came here are
Speaker 2: a really tough.
Speaker 1: Group of people. Yeah, they were, They had to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Miami Slaughterhouse, it was known. Cincinnati was really
Speaker 2: wasn't even known as a city or a town at
Speaker 2: the time. It was just a little tiny settlement around
Speaker 2: Fort Washington. But everybody did know that it was the
Speaker 2: Miami Slaughterhouse because the Shawnee and the Miami tribes were
Speaker 2: so fierce.
Speaker 1: Well then you know, all the German settlers finally established
Speaker 1: a city here and it became Poorkoppolis and a pig slaughterhouse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the other one, the other slaughterhouse house to another. And
Speaker 1: some people say, with the state of the city of Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: it's maybe not necessarily a positive thing that in many
Speaker 1: neighborhoods it's become a slaughterhouse again. And that's another topic
Speaker 1: for another time. But so tell me about the new book, Peter. Well,
Speaker 1: the new book is called Magical hist Street Tour. And
Speaker 1: what I'm doing in this time is a lot like
Speaker 1: the other books. I'm focusing on our local history and
Speaker 1: the really rich treasure of history Cincinnati has, and so
Speaker 1: much of it is buried, it's undiscovered. When you tell
Speaker 1: people these stories about what happened, for example, during the
Speaker 1: Confederate invasion of Cincinnati in eighteen sixty two in my
Speaker 1: book called The Man Who Saves Cincinnati, which you've written about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people are completely I speak about this
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: I do various groups, service clubs and historical societies and
Speaker 2: so forth, so I stay busy with that. I was
Speaker 2: totally unaware of that, and so most of the people
Speaker 2: that I meet, and so they are all these great
Speaker 2: treasures of history. And this time I've found five that
Speaker 2: I'm using as short stories, and some are you know,
Speaker 2: like you could sit down and read it in a
Speaker 2: couple hours, and some are a couple a little bit longer.
Speaker 1: So it's nonfiction, but it's framed of fiction. I would
Speaker 1: call it historical fiction.
Speaker 2: Historical fiction, so the history is all accurate, and nobody
Speaker 2: says or does anything that would be inconsistent or invented
Speaker 2: as a means of telling our history, but that we
Speaker 2: use the fictional characters in a few instances to help
Speaker 2: move the story along and make it more exciting. So
Speaker 2: I might pair up in one story a real detective,
Speaker 2: a Cincinnati detective in the eighteen middle eighteen hundreds, and
Speaker 2: his name was William Rainey, and a very well decorated
Speaker 2: Civil War veteran and a great detective who's a character
Speaker 2: in his own right. But I paired him up with
Speaker 2: a newspaperman who is fictional, but it was based on
Speaker 2: newspapermen at the time. Okay, So, and they're kind of
Speaker 2: a cohorts to try and solve this crime that they see,
Speaker 2: which is that two women from the Whitewater Shaker commit
Speaker 2: community up near Northmen they check into a downtown hotel
Speaker 2: and commit suicide apparently.
Speaker 1: And the rest is very interesting.
Speaker 2: They were kicked out of the Shaker community, banished for
Speaker 2: violating the oath of celibacy, and there was a young
Speaker 2: man who is being allowed to come and stay in
Speaker 2: the community who helped them both the mother and the
Speaker 2: daughter violate that oath. And it's a very fascinating story
Speaker 2: of love, of romance, of mistakes of crazy cults. I
Speaker 2: guess you could call them like the Shakers. They're a
Speaker 2: little bit on the cultish side, and that's maybe a
Speaker 2: little bit controversial for people who know the Shaker's story.
Speaker 2: But I'll just leave you with this on that one.
Speaker 2: If you go out to the Whitewater Shaker Community Cemetery.
Speaker 2: You're gonna find out first of all, that it's not
Speaker 2: well populated because celibacy, you know.
Speaker 1: A celibate community, Peter. This is how cults die. This
Speaker 1: is this is how the world may die. With the
Speaker 1: population rate that we've got in this country and around
Speaker 1: the world. You know, we went from this hysteria. We're
Speaker 1: over populated. There's no way that the earth can feed
Speaker 1: that many people. It's going to be horrible. We've got
Speaker 1: to restrict our and you know, now our birth rate
Speaker 1: is not even at replacement rate in the United States.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I digress, so very good point.
Speaker 2: So celibacy is the cult a sac for this. So
Speaker 2: the cemetery is not well populated. It's a lot of
Speaker 2: room with only a few graves in back. But in
Speaker 2: the middle of the cemetery is a monument and it
Speaker 2: says this is dedicated to the Shaker community, a community
Speaker 2: of celibate Christian Communists.
Speaker 1: Now who knew that? Who knew that? I did not know?
Speaker 1: Isn't that great?
Speaker 2: And so that story I heard about this suicide of
Speaker 2: these two women, I began to investigate it and it
Speaker 2: turned out to be very fascinating. It's a bit of
Speaker 2: a mystery. It has some medical mystery in it. It
Speaker 2: has mystery of what were these young men doing in
Speaker 2: the Shaker community who were allowed to come in from Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: In this case, the guy was a drunk, a total
Speaker 2: black sheep, and his wealthy family and they sent him
Speaker 2: up there to dry out. So interesting story. Well, instead
Speaker 2: of drying out, he got two women kicked out. Yes,
Speaker 2: and the double standard that becomes evident where he was
Speaker 2: allowed to come back and the women were not A
Speaker 2: very sad story, but fascinating. And so that's one of
Speaker 2: the stories. But yeah, the book is a magical history tour, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: And in it also I will include ten places that
Speaker 2: you need to see or visit with your kids to
Speaker 2: show them and explain Cincinnati history, what really happened here
Speaker 2: and the importance of it.
Speaker 1: You've you've lived in Cincinnati a little bit right around
Speaker 1: the time that I have. I moved here in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four, the second I came ninety two, not originally
Speaker 1: from here. But you have so sunk your teeth into
Speaker 1: the culture and history of this town. I love it.
Speaker 1: Do you think that if you had, for example, remained
Speaker 1: in Arizona or remained in Michigan, that you would have
Speaker 1: found the same treasure trove there. Is it because you
Speaker 1: were you were eating at the table that's set for you,
Speaker 1: or do you think that there's something very unique and
Speaker 1: special about this area in particular, well from Wrining history, I.
Speaker 2: Kind of answered that all of the above, But with
Speaker 2: the exception of Michigan, because I grew up in Michigan,
Speaker 2: I took it all for granted and I didn't really
Speaker 2: have the history, didn't really interest.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of people probably take Cincinnati history
Speaker 1: for granted, and that's the reason people like you write
Speaker 1: books exactly.
Speaker 2: So you might be living in Arizona for ten or
Speaker 2: eleven years as I would, as I did, and yet
Speaker 2: I didn't go to the Grand Canyon. Well, people that
Speaker 2: I knew that live there all their lives didn't go
Speaker 2: to the Grand Canyon. Yeah, you know, so, I mean
Speaker 2: it's sort of like one of those things if you
Speaker 2: just grow up there, you take it in stride and
Speaker 2: it's like that's just the way it is. Whereas when
Speaker 2: I came to a place new, I was fascinated by
Speaker 2: Arizona history and the history of the Arizona Rangers and
Speaker 2: the wild West and all the things that happened out there.
Speaker 2: Very exciting history. But when I came to Cincinnati, I
Speaker 2: find it's even richer because it goes back so much farther,
Speaker 2: and it goes back to the seventeen hundred, the late
Speaker 2: seventeen hundreds, you know, for the for the Western civilization
Speaker 2: part of it. And there's just so much rich history
Speaker 2: here and so much that I still haven't uncovered and discovered.
Speaker 1: Do you find that in your research there are ample
Speaker 1: people to talk to that do know these things, so
Speaker 1: you can call this information out into a book. I mean,
Speaker 1: where do you find sources?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: This is it's like the golden age of historical research.
Speaker 1: I believe I.
Speaker 2: Can find things that used to take me weeks in
Speaker 2: the newsroom to just because of the Internet and because
Speaker 2: I can push a few buttons on a keyboard and
Speaker 2: I know where to go.
Speaker 1: Be careful. Dave Patter has warned me that AI hallucinates.
Speaker 2: So do you want to I don't let me say
Speaker 2: right up front, I do not use AI in any
Speaker 2: way for my books. I don't trust it, and i've
Speaker 2: as an artist or a writer, what modest level of
Speaker 2: that I have. I am not willing to forfeit my
Speaker 2: intellectual imagination and my capacity to write to some machine
Speaker 2: that's going to tell me how it should be done.
Speaker 2: No way, I don't touch that stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, the problem is and uh, actually I'll be talking
Speaker 1: to Dave this week on the program. But the thing
Speaker 1: that he was bringing up just last Saturday morning was
Speaker 1: the problem with AI is that it consumes other AI,
Speaker 1: and soon there will be no human content on the
Speaker 1: Internet at all. That's all gary replaced by artificial intention.
Speaker 1: How can we possibly trust that? You know, I was
Speaker 1: listening to an interesting podcast the other day, and I
Speaker 1: like to do that while I'm walking, and a lot
Speaker 1: of times they stimulate your imagination. I'm listening to an
Speaker 1: interesting podcast right now.
Speaker 2: And this person, who has done a lot of research
Speaker 2: on this, said that he compared AI. He said, this
Speaker 2: is the biblical tree of knowledge by which you will
Speaker 2: gain wisdom and the promises that you will be like God.
Speaker 2: Remember the tree of wisdom in the Garden of Eden.
Speaker 2: That was the serpent that said, yes, have this eat
Speaker 2: of the tree of wisdom that God forbids, and you
Speaker 2: will be like God, and you will know all that
Speaker 2: you need to know about good and evil. Well, he's
Speaker 2: saying that this is where AI.
Speaker 1: Is going to go. It's going to be the the
Speaker 1: tree of knowledge of good and evil, and by imbibing
Speaker 1: in it, you are paying a huge price, mankind. Oh,
Speaker 1: I believe that full stop. For Adam and Eve, it
Speaker 1: was being banished from the garden.
Speaker 2: They lost their their relationship with their direct relationship with them.
Speaker 1: They suddenly suddenly found out that they were naked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they realized the self awareness of their of their
Speaker 2: frailty and their weakness.
Speaker 1: And what did they do. They tried to cover themselves up.
Speaker 1: The problem with AI that makes us even more of
Speaker 1: an issue is that, as Hatter told me, AI, AI
Speaker 1: is consuming AI, and AI has already been proven to
Speaker 1: hallucinate and just make things up blatantly. So well, did
Speaker 1: you see.
Speaker 2: The story about the AI that used one of its
Speaker 2: creators and had read her email and found out that
Speaker 2: she was having an affair and it threatened to expose
Speaker 2: this to all of the people in her workplace and
Speaker 2: her family and her social network unless she would promise
Speaker 2: never to unplug it.
Speaker 1: Wow, No, I did not hear that story. Oh, there
Speaker 1: are several stories.
Speaker 2: Out there blackmailing people AI, the blackmailing AI will lie,
Speaker 2: it learns to lie. Yeah, and I mean it's going
Speaker 2: back to the two thousand and one Space Odyssey with
Speaker 2: how the Computer.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't do that, Dave. Yeah, you're making
Speaker 1: a big mistake. Dave got chills. Really. So I'll just
Speaker 1: preface the next segment with this talking to Peter Bronson
Speaker 1: on the Nightcap the new fall season, and.
Speaker 2: You need to have a little from last week's episode
Speaker 2: or the Law and loorder boom uh.
Speaker 1: But real quickly to preface what we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about next a little bit. I was on for Tom
Speaker 1: Brenman filling in a couple of weeks back, and I
Speaker 1: just came out of the breaking and it just struck me.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm becoming very concerned that I'm not as
Speaker 1: concerned as I should be about all the craziness going
Speaker 1: on around me. Yeah, and we'll get into that next. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's a good topic. Peter Bronson with us on this
Speaker 1: new Nightcap. A new book coming out, the Magical History Tour.
Speaker 1: When's that going to be out?
Speaker 2: It'll be out at the end of October. If everything
Speaker 2: goes well, I should have it off the presses before
Speaker 2: the end of this month of October, and it'll will
Speaker 2: be ready then for Christmas sales. And I'll be trying
Speaker 2: my best to get the word out everywhere I can, well,
Speaker 2: including here here. Yes, absolutely, right now we're doing it
Speaker 2: more from Chili Dog, Yes, press dot com.
Speaker 1: All right on seven hundred WLW A break and then back.
Speaker 1: This is Jim and Pete. Of course, not do you
Speaker 1: live you don't live in the city of Cincinnati. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I live in Milford. So you cannot vote
Speaker 1: in the upcoming Cincinnati mayoral or council elections. No, that's
Speaker 1: a problem.
Speaker 2: Yes, I always thought I always thought it was an
Speaker 2: outrageous taxation without representation, that they take employ taxes from
Speaker 2: people who worked on town as they did for me
Speaker 2: the entire time I was working at the Inquired not
Speaker 2: a little bit, not a little bit. It was a
Speaker 2: significant tax. And that yet they're taking your taxes and
Speaker 2: they give you no representation.
Speaker 1: You don't even have any vote, and who's running the
Speaker 1: city simply because you're not living there. But but you're
Speaker 1: paying the tax, paying the taxes. It's one of the
Speaker 1: great things about moving the studios out here to Kenwood
Speaker 1: is that we were out of the city of Cincinnati
Speaker 1: and they stopped extracting their a pound of flesh or
Speaker 1: maybe a pound and a half out of me and
Speaker 1: I live in Kentucky.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the great migration right out of the
Speaker 2: blue cities.
Speaker 1: People are leaving blue cities. Wait until Zorn mandani ohhens
Speaker 1: the New York City rare in New York. They are businesses,
Speaker 1: people with money stock exchange in Texas. The tax base
Speaker 1: that he was planning on using for all of these
Speaker 1: eye eye in this you know pie in the sky
Speaker 1: social programs that he's promising the millennials in the gen
Speaker 1: Z who are the only ones that are going to
Speaker 1: come out and vote number one. This is the big
Speaker 1: problem with Cincinnati too, and many other big towns. You
Speaker 1: have an off year, so called off year mayoral election, Yeah,
Speaker 1: council election, very thin turnout uh as little as eleven
Speaker 1: or twelve percent in some cases, Pete. Yeah, So you
Speaker 1: have taxation without representation, but the people are choosing not
Speaker 1: to be represented by not going to the polls and voting.
Speaker 1: For sure. And in this town, we have a mayor
Speaker 1: who continues to say that the ongoing violence, which he
Speaker 1: describes as gun violence. Yeah, it's all the guns is unacceptable,
Speaker 1: and he says this over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: but yet nothing is really done about it. And I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that Aftab pure vol alone could stop the violence,
Speaker 1: whether it be with gun or machete or any.
Speaker 2: Other Well, I don't know, Gary, Jeff. I mean, what
Speaker 2: we're seeing happened in Washington, d C. What we're going
Speaker 2: to see happen in very maybe Chicago, maybe Chicago. Right
Speaker 2: now it seems to be going in the Memphis, Memphis.
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, New Orleans. Yeah, Portland.
Speaker 2: What we're seeing in these cities is just a proof,
Speaker 2: a very vivid, textbook demonstration of lack of leadership. Yes,
Speaker 2: if you provide the enforcement, this crime doesn't have to exist.
Speaker 2: If you provide, you have back your parturrence, Yes, you
Speaker 2: back the police. Really, what these National Guard troops are
Speaker 2: doing is the administrative stuff so the police can get
Speaker 2: out there and do their job.
Speaker 1: Well. In the National Guard troops that are being brought in,
Speaker 1: which this judge is Biden appointed judge out in Oregon
Speaker 1: has stopped Trump's plan to come into Portland, which is
Speaker 1: temporarily right. We'll see how it goes through the court system.
Speaker 1: But what the federal troops are there for are to
Speaker 1: protect federal buildings, yes, that are being attacked, exactly, federal
Speaker 1: law enforcement that are being attacked. That's what they're trying
Speaker 1: to bring in the National Guard and the federal troops
Speaker 1: for mobilizing the California National Guard, which Gavin Newsom, of course,
Speaker 1: for purely political reasons, not for public safety reasons, not
Speaker 1: for common sense reasons, is roundly rejecting because it would
Speaker 1: be a referendum on how poor the leadership is in
Speaker 1: the lack of enforcement, and that has been If you say,
Speaker 1: a mayor of Los Angeles by the governor of California,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 2: If you say, like aftab Our, mayor, this is a
Speaker 2: problem of gun violence, and the solution is in these
Speaker 2: root causes. Basically, what you're saying is there's nothing we
Speaker 2: can do about it. It's generational. It's all society's fault.
Speaker 2: And then if you have somebody come in to DC
Speaker 2: like President Trump did and demonstrate that in a matter
Speaker 2: of even overnight, within days, that city is safe. The
Speaker 2: murders have stopped, people can use the restaurants, they can
Speaker 2: walk alone on the street.
Speaker 1: They went over a week without a murder in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. That hadn't happened in years in the nation's capital.
Speaker 2: So what he's basically done is he's made people like
Speaker 2: Aftab and their root causes a liar.
Speaker 1: He's made them a fool. He's made them look like
Speaker 1: they absolutely have no clue what's going on, and they don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, Gary, Jeff.
Speaker 2: These problems have always been around and what we've what
Speaker 2: we learned from them is that if you enforce the
Speaker 2: law with zero tolerance, with the broken windows theory, with
Speaker 2: all these other things, if you put people on the
Speaker 2: street that are enforcing the law, the crime problem goes away.
Speaker 1: So if you're listening to this so difficult. If you're
Speaker 1: listening to this and you're a citizen of Cincinnati and
Speaker 1: you're not registered to vote, well that's problem one. But
Speaker 1: if you're registered to vote and you're not going to vote,
Speaker 1: with all the opportunities you have to vote within the
Speaker 1: next month, it's on you. It's not an a have
Speaker 1: to have pure vault. It's not in the city council.
Speaker 1: It's on It's not on the prosecuting attorney, it's not
Speaker 1: on the police chief. If you don't vote and let
Speaker 1: your voice be heard. When you have more than ample opportunity,
Speaker 1: then then it then it is then it is your fault.
Speaker 1: Then it is societal. Don't you think I do?
Speaker 2: And and another thing on the mega trends here that
Speaker 2: we're seeing is that in these blue cities, as you
Speaker 2: see out migration, what happens is the people who today
Speaker 2: are the most radical, They're the ones who are happy
Speaker 2: with them dollars a communist as their mayor of New
Speaker 2: York City. And that's what we will see in New
Speaker 2: York City. We'll see the population begin to evaporate among
Speaker 2: those who who would fight against that and vote against it,
Speaker 2: and you'll end up with more and more people who
Speaker 2: are basically happy with decline and crime and miserable quality
Speaker 2: of life because their ideology is.
Speaker 1: More important than their actual real world experience. Well, Mom Downie,
Speaker 1: for example, keeps claiming over and over that even though
Speaker 1: his policies are blatantly communists, that he's a Democrat socialist.
Speaker 2: Well, what is that? That's just like a Walmart communist.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, it's a dollar start communists. A
Speaker 2: guy who says I'm just a democratic socialist. That is
Speaker 2: like that's on the ladder, and it's just the next
Speaker 2: step below a communist.
Speaker 1: And maybe the thought is we have eight million people,
Speaker 1: so we lose a couple of million people, it'll be
Speaker 1: less people to control, all, you know, and as retain power. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: All the loonies, as you mentioned, are staying here.
Speaker 2: Well, and these people really don't care if you leave.
Speaker 2: I mean they kind of want you to because those
Speaker 2: would be the people who might vote against him and
Speaker 2: criticize him.
Speaker 1: But they're going to leave in droves. I mean, they
Speaker 1: already are.
Speaker 2: And we're going to see the same thing and we've
Speaker 2: seen it over the years in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I mentioned before the break talking to Peter Bronson on
Speaker 1: the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW, I mentioned before the
Speaker 1: break Peter, for this segment, one thing I wanted to
Speaker 1: discuss with you was how I was expressing that I
Speaker 1: was becoming concerned that I wasn't as concerned as maybe
Speaker 1: I should be about certain things and whether it's cultural
Speaker 1: or whatever. Because the more I read the Bible, the
Speaker 1: more I pray, the closer I become my relationship with
Speaker 1: Christ in my faith, the more I realize that many
Speaker 1: of these things ultimately don't matter that much to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's selfish or if I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean, it's the things that are going
Speaker 1: on right now in our country and in the world
Speaker 1: are terrible. They are, you know, it's a healthscape in
Speaker 1: many places well people.
Speaker 2: We also have a media though, that is set up
Speaker 2: to absolutely sensationalize and to incite anxiety, fear, right, to
Speaker 2: emphasize everything that it's it's at its most insane, and
Speaker 2: so that gives you the impression if you consume too
Speaker 2: much of this cable news and broadcast.
Speaker 1: Media, absolutely become obsessed with it.
Speaker 2: It gives you that constant feeling of anxiety that the
Speaker 2: world is falling apart, and that I mean, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying these things aren't happening and they're great concern. All
Speaker 2: I'm saying is that their business model now is to
Speaker 2: keep you in a constant state of anxiety, so you
Speaker 2: feel like you have to tune in and stay on.
Speaker 1: Top of this.
Speaker 2: And it's really sad because that's really not what the
Speaker 2: media is for. That's not what I believed in when
Speaker 2: I became a newspaperman. It's not what I tried to
Speaker 2: do in my career in newspapers. I didn't set out
Speaker 2: to make people afraid or to give them the absolute worst, sensationalized,
Speaker 2: darkest view of reality, which is what we see now.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not like tabloid journalism is new though, No,
Speaker 1: It's always been around, but it was always kind of
Speaker 1: an outlier. It was always the national inquirer. It was
Speaker 1: you know, on the fringes, the fringe, for sure, that
Speaker 1: was the goofy kid. It wasn't the mainstay of reporting. Yes,
Speaker 1: today reporting has been replaced in so many cases in
Speaker 1: the news with commentating, with pure agitation and slants just too,
Speaker 1: as you said, generate anxiety.
Speaker 2: And both sides, the right does it in their in
Speaker 2: their demographic, and the left does it in their demographic.
Speaker 2: That's why we can't have any common ground of facts,
Speaker 2: because they won't allow those.
Speaker 1: To this show to touch this show. People know this
Speaker 1: show is an opinion show in many cases, right, and
Speaker 1: there's information, but it's largely opinion. And like you and
Speaker 1: I are giving our opinion right now exactly on the
Speaker 1: topics of the day. But don't call I don't call
Speaker 1: this a news report necessarily, No, it's not supposed to
Speaker 1: be that we discussed the news, but we don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but we do the news up front, right out in front.
Speaker 1: But the newscasts, uh, all across the board on radio,
Speaker 1: on TV have become and it's I swear it's it's
Speaker 1: specifically in the age of Trump. It's just been exacerbated,
Speaker 1: it has, it's been increased just tremendously, but it's become
Speaker 1: this agenda driven, half truth kind of opinion in so
Speaker 1: called news headlines, and it's just it's unfair and it's
Speaker 1: not right. Well, it's been happening for a long time.
Speaker 2: Gary, Jeff, I watched it increasing all the way up
Speaker 2: in the in the year's bt before Trump, and it
Speaker 2: was getting worse and worse.
Speaker 1: It got to the point where we had and I.
Speaker 2: Was the editor of the opinion section, but we had
Speaker 2: as much opinion in the newspages as we had in
Speaker 2: our opinion section. And if you look at newspapers now,
Speaker 2: a lot of them have totally abandoned their opinion sections
Speaker 2: because they're doing it in the news columns. There's no
Speaker 2: longer a wall there, there's no longer a Berlin wall
Speaker 2: that says, hey, you guys, stay honest and just report
Speaker 2: the fact, we'll go ahead and spin it or try
Speaker 2: to give opinions to the.
Speaker 1: Inquir's opinion editor recently departs, and they don't have one
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Honestly, I don't know. I don't stay
Speaker 2: in touch with the Inquirer anymore. I check in online
Speaker 2: from time to time, but now and then some of
Speaker 2: the stories just make me so disgusted.
Speaker 1: I just say, all I really look at is sports.
Speaker 2: You know, the Bengals and the Reds, and there's not
Speaker 2: much reason to look at that.
Speaker 1: There's a guy named glennam Harmyer and he writes these
Speaker 1: constant letters to the editor to the Inquirer. Oh really
Speaker 1: that plish them never get published, No, of course not.
Speaker 1: They took away the comments. Why did they take away
Speaker 1: the comments?
Speaker 2: Because basically what they've done it's like what we said
Speaker 2: about the Blue Cities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they keep.
Speaker 2: Singing to the choir, and singing to the choir, their
Speaker 2: lefty audience and their audience, their subscriber based shrank down
Speaker 2: to a little tidepool of only leftists. And if the
Speaker 2: conservative person went into the comments, they would almost be
Speaker 2: eaten alive.
Speaker 1: And the boy attack. My choir is now three people
Speaker 1: who are toned, deaf and out of tune.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean some of the stories are just
Speaker 2: that they make me. I just shake my head.
Speaker 1: Where is the editor that allowed that? All right, so
Speaker 1: let's reserve. I talked about things that I'm not concerned about.
Speaker 1: Here's another one. But it turns out you're more concerned
Speaker 1: than the last couple of minutes of our conversation. How
Speaker 1: sad it is it to watch and it's not just
Speaker 1: the lack of Joe Burrow to watch this collapse by
Speaker 1: the Bengals. I wanted to get Peter Bronson's take on
Speaker 1: sports real quickly.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm no sports reporter by any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 1: The toy department as they used to do, exactly.
Speaker 2: And I've always been a defender and an admirer of
Speaker 2: Mike Brown. I think that he's maligned a lot more
Speaker 2: than is appropriate. Uh, And again, everybody always likes to
Speaker 2: revert it's the ownership, it's the ownership. Well, look, they've
Speaker 2: they've put out the money. They've put out the money
Speaker 2: for what the team said they wanted, and and apparently
Speaker 2: nobody can figure out that if you get you can't
Speaker 2: protect a multi billion dollar franchise quarterback if the offensive
Speaker 2: line can't block, I mean, how that is?
Speaker 1: What is with the coaches? I mean I got to
Speaker 1: ask what is with the coaches? You know, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people saying, you can't fire Zach Taylor because
Speaker 1: you know, the quarterbacks out the you know, the the
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback's gone. So it's not Zach Taylor's fold. The
Speaker 1: play calling has been atrocious for the last couple of years. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: the Bengals did not make question Bingles did not make
Speaker 1: the playoffs with a record setting sack leader and Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow having possibly the best season in NFL history by
Speaker 1: any quarterback in any era, and the Bengals still did
Speaker 1: not make the playoffs. And and don't forget you, mar Chase. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've got the number one run believable season five. So
Speaker 1: it's not it's not a lack of talent or players.
Speaker 1: It's a lack of talent somewhere else. Well, and the draft.
Speaker 2: Picks they're making, the trades they're making, somebody's.
Speaker 1: Just look no closer than on the sidelines and in
Speaker 1: the front office.
Speaker 2: Well, I agree, it's it's sad, but it kind of
Speaker 2: we're going back we're falling back now to that place
Speaker 2: where we brag about excelling at mediocrity.
Speaker 1: Jeez, Peter, thank you so much for your time tonight.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. It's great, great to see you again.
Speaker 1: It's great to have you back, and it's great to
Speaker 1: know that there's a new book in the in the
Speaker 1: pipeline here. Magic History Tour is the name of it.
Speaker 1: That rings a bell? Right, Magical History Tour. A little
Speaker 1: bit as the former host of Breakfast with the Beatles, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it brings major bells.
Speaker 2: He's coming from all right, all right, thanks very jeth
Speaker 2: all right, have a great one, fantastic and there's more
Speaker 2: nightcap just ahead in moments on seven hundred WLW.
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Speaker 1: More afternoon at three what seven hundred WLW is the
Speaker 1: nightcap on seven hundred w l W Arry jump into
Speaker 1: the new fall season and tonight a first time guest
Speaker 1: and something that I've been looking forward to a great
Speaker 1: deal because this story seems to me to be so
Speaker 1: compelling and while we don't have I guess full disclosure
Speaker 1: that we'd hope for during the Trump administration on the
Speaker 1: Epstein diaries and the list and the names, we know
Speaker 1: who some of the victims were of Jeffrey Epstein and
Speaker 1: his ring really of not only human sex traffickers, but
Speaker 1: something even darker as you go deeper into the story
Speaker 1: that was being told by a woman named Juliet Bryant,
Speaker 1: and this revolves around a trip to Cape Horn, South Africa,
Speaker 1: about twenty three years ago, when Jeffrey Epstein arrived there
Speaker 1: with Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey, and Chris Tucker along for
Speaker 1: the ride. We have those names, and that very same night,
Speaker 1: a twenty year old named Juliet Bryant lured into what
Speaker 1: we come one of the most harrowing and revealing chapters
Speaker 1: in the Epstein saga for the first time, her story
Speaker 1: being told in her own words through the diary she
Speaker 1: capped at the height of her captivity. And that book
Speaker 1: is and we have the author here who has done
Speaker 1: the research and used Juliette Bryant's words so incredibly well
Speaker 1: to tell the story. The book is called Blue Butterfly.
Speaker 1: Inside the Diary of an Epstein Survivor, author Sarah McCarthy
Speaker 1: joins us, Hello, Sarah, good evening. How are you.
Speaker 5: I'm doing very well? Thank you, Gary. How are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing great? And like I said, I really wanted
Speaker 1: to hear at least a tidbit of the story. Of course,
Speaker 1: I haven't read the book yet, but I guess it's
Speaker 1: it's on the way to being available everywhere. Is that
Speaker 1: true for.
Speaker 5: Me in the United States and Canada? For Noal?
Speaker 1: Okay, so I have a how did did you come
Speaker 1: to know Juliet Bryant and the story?
Speaker 5: Julia has been a good friend of mine for over
Speaker 5: fifteen years, but she actually endured her abuse in silence
Speaker 5: for almost two decades. It was only after Epstein was
Speaker 5: arrested that she came up with a story and said
Speaker 5: that she had been abused by him. Basically, her name
Speaker 5: was on the flight logs and the press started to
Speaker 5: get hold of her. She hadn't even told her own mother,
Speaker 5: So yeah, she came up with a story and when
Speaker 5: she told me, which was twenty nineteen. I then met
Speaker 5: with her Faith to Faith in Cape Town in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty and she gave me the darker side of the
Speaker 5: story that went beyond sexual abuse. And when she told
Speaker 5: me that, I said to her pitness, we have to
Speaker 5: write a book, and she said, yes, I would like
Speaker 5: to do that.
Speaker 1: Finally, breaking her silence, I said, born earlier, I meant
Speaker 1: Cape Town. So between two thousand and two and two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, my goodness, almost almost two years. Your
Speaker 1: friend Juliette was trafficked across continents and was was a
Speaker 1: main attraction at Epstein's multiple residences. And Blue Butterfly describes
Speaker 1: a trip in it to Epstein's Zorro Ranch in New
Speaker 1: Mexico where Juliet kind of describe what Juliet describes in
Speaker 1: her diary about that last trip to Epstein's ranch in
Speaker 1: New Mexico and what he woke up to.
Speaker 5: Yes, well, on that trip, which was June two thousand
Speaker 5: and two, that was the only time he took her
Speaker 5: to Borrow Ranch, a huge Titanic compound in New Mexico,
Speaker 5: And on that trip she has a terrifying flashback of
Speaker 5: wreaking up naked in the laboratories while our female doctor
Speaker 5: was operating on her abdominence withouter knowledge and with outer consent.
Speaker 5: She can describe that flashback in visit detail, so it
Speaker 5: wasn't a dream. There were other things that happened on
Speaker 5: that trip. Firsonally, that was the only trip that Eptin
Speaker 5: didn't sexually abuse her. He took her into a small
Speaker 5: room and gave her something that she described as a
Speaker 5: pelvic exam, which was a more medical in nature. Then
Speaker 5: she has this terrifying flashback of wreaking up in the laboratories.
Speaker 5: And furthermore, when she returned to South Africa, she had
Speaker 5: a small star, a little round circulars guard a couple
Speaker 5: of inches above the pepper. That was weird and eclaimed
Speaker 5: after that trip. So all of that this shows that
Speaker 5: there's a possibility that Epstein was committing medical times unauthorized
Speaker 5: medical procedures on the book. So that is why Juliet
Speaker 5: story actually turns the whole Exton story on its head.
Speaker 5: It's not about sex trafficking, it's about medical experimentation. Juliet
Speaker 5: was never traffied to any other men, and she never
Speaker 5: saw any other woman being trafficked to any other men either.
Speaker 5: For the all this was corroborated by Attorney Brad Edwards,
Speaker 5: who said, in the small fraction of the woman was
Speaker 5: being traffic and that was not his main business.
Speaker 1: So what happened, say, when Juliet met Bill Clinton, the
Speaker 1: former President of the United States, who was pals with
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 5: Yes, well she met him on the first night that
Speaker 5: she met Epstein. So that could have been the twenty
Speaker 5: sixth of September two thousand and two. And we know
Speaker 5: this from the flight Looves because that's the day that
Speaker 5: they blew into Caton. That was the night she was recruited.
Speaker 5: She was about having a drink with a friend and
Speaker 5: a very beautiful American mind came up to her and said,
Speaker 5: I'm here with it very well to the American billionaire.
Speaker 5: He has connections to Victoria Secret and he can launch
Speaker 5: her modeling career internationally. So this sounded like a dream
Speaker 5: country for her. So she went along to a restaurant
Speaker 5: called Belisa in Cape Town where Epstein was having dinner
Speaker 5: and they were midnil when she walked in, but yet
Speaker 5: everybody stood up and they shook their hands. When she
Speaker 5: met Phil Clinton. She said that He made her feel
Speaker 5: quite uncomfortable because he held onto her hand for a
Speaker 5: long time while he was looking and or speaking to
Speaker 5: somebody else at the table.
Speaker 1: Did she meet any other celebrities while she was being trafficked?
Speaker 5: Yes, well obviously with Kevin Spacey and trip Tacker was there.
Speaker 5: She said Kevin Stacey wasn't particularly friendly or interested. She
Speaker 5: didn't have much interaction with trip Tacker, but she met
Speaker 5: scientists she met on the trip to Sarah Ranch. She
Speaker 5: was also taken to meet the former governor of New
Speaker 5: Mexico who was for Richardson. That was also an unusual
Speaker 5: encounter because they looked her and another survivor up and
Speaker 5: down and then went into a room had a meeting
Speaker 5: of Epstein and then they left, And she wasn't She
Speaker 5: didn't understand the reason for her being there.
Speaker 1: What was there? What about Donald Trump's involvement? Does she
Speaker 1: detail any of that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, she never met him. When she was on West
Speaker 5: Farm Beach, Palm Beach, they drove past Marie Lago and
Speaker 5: apparently Epstein said to her, or that's where my good Trump,
Speaker 5: my good friend Trump lived, But she never she never
Speaker 5: met him personally.
Speaker 1: All right? Did she did? She tell you about anything
Speaker 1: else about Jeffrey Epstein that no one to this point
Speaker 1: has revealed. And I'll accept the PG answer.
Speaker 5: Yes she did. She said a couple of things. You know,
Speaker 5: there was lots of anecdotal things about him, saying he
Speaker 5: liked to name rock and he said that Michael Jackson
Speaker 5: once called him because he was interested in moving to
Speaker 5: Palm Beach, and when he heard Michael Jackson's cadence on
Speaker 5: the telephone, he thought that it was a joke. But
Speaker 5: actually another survivor also mentions Michael Jackson's name, but I
Speaker 5: don't think he was involved in anything nefarious. She gave
Speaker 5: me another anecdote that Exstine told her that when he
Speaker 5: was younger, he used to he did both as the
Speaker 5: text tactic driver, I did find other corroboration evidence of this,
Speaker 5: but not the fact that he said he used to
Speaker 5: give the pre rise in exchange for sexual favors. And
Speaker 5: as the pug's answer, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Giseleine Maxwell Maxwell obviously in prison and has not
Speaker 1: opened up the way many people thought that she would.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe she likes staying alive. I don't know, But
Speaker 1: what did she mention Jeffrey Epstein's sidekick Guselaine maxim Maxwell.
Speaker 3: She did.
Speaker 5: She obviously had a lot of interaction with Maxwell. She
Speaker 5: said she was very scary. She ran the properties, very smart,
Speaker 5: very accomplished, and very scary. She ran the properties. The
Speaker 5: staff were very nervous of her. I think they had
Speaker 5: sort of a manifest that they had to follow certain rules.
Speaker 5: They can't you speak to them unless spoken to that
Speaker 5: sort of thing. I said, was Maxwell ever kind to you?
Speaker 5: And she said once she stuck up for Juliet because
Speaker 5: Julia used to smoke. Epstein hated the habits, used to
Speaker 5: tell her that her hands stunk and she used to
Speaker 5: have to go and wash her hands before she came
Speaker 5: near him. And once Gilaine stuck up for her and
Speaker 5: said that after her father died, she used to make
Speaker 5: a packet of cigarettes or whatever a day.
Speaker 1: So that kind of gives you an insight too, into
Speaker 1: what daily life was like on Epstein Island. You said,
Speaker 1: Justlaine Maxwell was running the properties and the like, Well
Speaker 1: what did she What did she tell you about the
Speaker 1: day to day?
Speaker 5: Well, she gave me some interesting insights into living on
Speaker 5: the island. She said, it was the most suitable case
Speaker 5: that you've seen that she could never relax. They were
Speaker 5: always survailed. The girls couldn't just go off on their own.
Speaker 5: They couldn't just walk off the front law and explore
Speaker 5: the city. There's always someone watching them, and they always
Speaker 5: had to be on Exstein's second call for when he
Speaker 5: wanted them for obvious reasons. She did say that aside
Speaker 5: from that, she bounced on the chance trampoline that was
Speaker 5: in the sea. I found corroborating reports from Virginia. The
Speaker 5: three she walked around the island, she took she discovered
Speaker 5: some photographs and cameras, disposable cameras, so she used to
Speaker 5: walk around the island taking photographs. So she actually has
Speaker 5: this photographic evidence of her on the island and in Paris, etc.
Speaker 5: So unlike as a survivor, she's also got her passports
Speaker 5: from the time. And because she was South African, she
Speaker 5: flew in an art of South Africa, and she's got
Speaker 5: all the gates and going in the art of the
Speaker 5: United States.
Speaker 1: Did she ever try did she ever try and escape?
Speaker 5: Well, this is interesting and it ties back into the
Speaker 5: whole eugenic side of things, which hasn't really touched on much.
Speaker 5: But also it's very real possibility that Epstein was using
Speaker 5: some type of mind control techniques on the girl. Juliet
Speaker 5: said when she came back from that last trip to
Speaker 5: Borrow Ranch, her mental state was not the same. She
Speaker 5: completely collapsed, She had severe panic attacks. She had to
Speaker 5: be hospitalized up to ten times. Nobody knew what was
Speaker 5: wrong with her, and she honestly believed that they performed
Speaker 5: some type of mind control procedures on the girls to
Speaker 5: absolutely render them uncredible witnesses and unable to do anything
Speaker 5: those to their authorities. All right, I have to explore
Speaker 5: that in Blue Butterfly.
Speaker 1: We're talking with Sarah McCarthy, author of Blue Butterfly, based
Speaker 1: on the diary of Juliet Bryant, who basically was sex
Speaker 1: trafficked and experimented on, she believes by Jeffrey Epstein and
Speaker 1: his cohorts over a two year period and nearly two
Speaker 1: year period the eugenics angle real quickly, Sarah, This to
Speaker 1: me is really at the crux of how creepy the
Speaker 1: whole Epstein for and not that the rest isn't creepy
Speaker 1: at all it out to begin with, okay, but the
Speaker 1: fact of doing experimentation and what does she say specifically
Speaker 1: outside of that flashback she had about that, well.
Speaker 5: She believed, yeah, she believed that her eggs are being
Speaker 5: harvested during that procedure. And it's you know, when you
Speaker 5: look at what Epstein said himself. In the early two thousands,
Speaker 5: he started telling associates that he wanted to feed the
Speaker 5: human race with his DNA, and specifically he wanted to
Speaker 5: impregnate up to twenty women at a time at Sorrow Ranch.
Speaker 5: He spoke about this with his associates, with the psychologist
Speaker 5: and computer scientist Roger Shank. He said he aspired to
Speaker 5: father lots of children of different women, and this was
Speaker 5: would have taken place in around two thousand and three,
Speaker 5: the year before Juliet was traffic to New Mexico. This
Speaker 5: was reported on by The New York Times in twenty
Speaker 5: and eleven. The Guardian also said that Epstein was inspired
Speaker 5: by Robert K. Brian's repository for German or choice. This
Speaker 5: program started in the nineteen eighties. Graham was a eugenicist
Speaker 5: who announced that he wanted to start a sperm bank
Speaker 5: that was stopped by Nobel Laureates when that closed down
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety. I believe that instead of the sperm
Speaker 5: being incinerated. It could have very easily just been transferred
Speaker 5: across to Borrow Ranch, because in nineteen ninety nine, that
Speaker 5: is when Epstein started expanding his facilities at Sorrow Ranch.
Speaker 5: So yeah, when you look at all of that, that
Speaker 5: corroborates what she believes happened.
Speaker 1: All right, three quick ones here as we close this out, Sarah,
Speaker 1: And these are personal opinion things, but I just want
Speaker 1: to get your take. Do you think that Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: committed suicide? Did he kill himself?
Speaker 5: No? No, yes, I think he's still alive.
Speaker 1: Oh you think he's still alive. Do you think that
Speaker 1: Epstein has links to intelligence agencies or had?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: I was fortunate enough to speak directed with Aridon Minashi.
Speaker 5: He gave an exclusive information for me butterflies, and he
Speaker 5: worked directly with Joy Roberts, Maxwell and Epstein.
Speaker 1: All right, and uh, yes, Well how did how did
Speaker 1: Epstein make his money? Was he really just a financier
Speaker 1: who was very adept and had great acumen at that?
Speaker 1: Or I mean, how is he How is he financing
Speaker 1: all of this?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: I don't think so, because I've got friends who work
Speaker 5: in finance and they're working all day. He was busy
Speaker 5: actually abusing aduls all day, so no, he couldn't has
Speaker 5: been following the market. Thomas roll Show goes into this
Speaker 5: and looks at an intricate web of financial activity around
Speaker 5: how he kept getting he got funds to buy islands, etcetera.
Speaker 5: It all sends back to the fact that Epstein had
Speaker 5: power of attorney over Illiana Lesley Xner's trust, so they
Speaker 5: would there was a pattern though, they would sounds of
Speaker 5: stock and that money would then be used at Steiner
Speaker 5: to have the ability to then, say by a private
Speaker 5: island or an aeroplane, etcetera. He also got a lot
Speaker 5: of these assets from Leslie Rexner, namely the New York
Speaker 5: mansion for free all right.
Speaker 1: Sarah McCarthy, the author of Blue Butterfly, based on Juliet
Speaker 1: Bryant's diary, which suggests that there was a global sick agenda.
Speaker 1: To Jeffrey Epstein went far beyond sex trafficking and abuse,
Speaker 1: but eugenics and all kinds of experimentation. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is just madman's scientist kind of stuff. And you know,
Speaker 1: maybe that was what was really going on. The sex
Speaker 1: was just it was just a side note. Maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know. I can't get inside the mind of somebody
Speaker 1: that's sick, and I hope I never can. Sarah, thank
Speaker 1: you so much. Great success with the book Blue Butterfly.
Speaker 1: Look for it and is it out now or will
Speaker 1: it be out soon?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 5: It is available for pre sale at trinday dot com
Speaker 5: TRN and also available on Amazon at body in bookstores,
Speaker 5: as well as Bound and Noble once it's released.
Speaker 1: So please look out for this all right, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. It's the Nightcap and it continues on seven
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you may have read I know you've heard us
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Speaker 1: going to talk about the ending of the EV tax
Speaker 1: breaks for you purchasing an electric vehicle and the government
Speaker 1: subsidizing you for doing it, and that is over now, correct,
Speaker 1: at least for the time it is.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the one big beautiful bill passed this summer ended
Speaker 8: the EV tax credits. And what was in place before
Speaker 8: was a seventy five dollars tax credit to the purchaser
Speaker 8: of a new electric vehicle and also you could resell
Speaker 8: them to other people for some amount up to four
Speaker 8: thousand dollars. That ended September thirtieth. And you know, EV's
Speaker 8: they're they're doing well in China and Europe is kind
Speaker 8: of mixed, but they're flat in the US.
Speaker 1: We've had.
Speaker 8: The share of EV sales new light car sales was
Speaker 8: about seven percent last uh, November, December, January. Then it
Speaker 8: dropped to about six percent in the summer, and then
Speaker 8: we had a little surge here in the last month
Speaker 8: or two because the credit was ending.
Speaker 1: But it's probably going.
Speaker 8: To go down to probably six percent or less of
Speaker 8: evs of small vehicle sales in the next few months.
Speaker 6: Which isn't real good.
Speaker 8: You know, it's not not replacing all the internal bustion
Speaker 8: engine cars as a lot of people are predicting. So
Speaker 8: EV's are going to get better, but uh, they're not
Speaker 8: going to take over the world here, at least in
Speaker 8: the US in the short term.
Speaker 1: All right. Uh, and listen, I've always said, you've always
Speaker 1: said you want to drive an EV, that's your business.
Speaker 1: But the government shouldn't mandate that you drive an EV
Speaker 1: or you shouldn't get these wild tax breaks because you
Speaker 1: purchase one. I mean, that's that's some that's some on
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Speaker 1: know this is not a it really isn't a political
Speaker 1: discussion the ones we have about climate, although people try
Speaker 1: and make them political discussions and use climate as a
Speaker 1: political football, Steve, But I'm surprised that part of the
Speaker 1: reason the Democrats have shut down the government is because
Speaker 1: they want that put back in that was passed in
Speaker 1: the big beautiful bill back on July fourth, as they
Speaker 1: want to put so many other things back in that
Speaker 1: we're repealed with that piece of legislation, or.
Speaker 8: The production tax credits in investment tax credits for winning
Speaker 8: solar of thirty percent. We also got the situation where
Speaker 8: vehicle chargers don't make money for anybody. Every company that
Speaker 8: is producing vehicle chargers is losing money, but they're being subsidized. Know,
Speaker 8: we got all these subsidies at state and federal levels
Speaker 8: and utilities and everybody else to try and put chargers
Speaker 8: out there. It's just not it's not a real good
Speaker 8: business unless it's in subsidies. And so I think is
Speaker 8: this it's going to be kind of stalled at least
Speaker 8: for the next three years and the administration. We'll see
Speaker 8: what happens after that.
Speaker 1: I thought that half a billion in taxpayer dollars that
Speaker 1: went to Soleindra during Obama was big, but I mean,
Speaker 1: these things have just gotten out of control. Monsters on
Speaker 1: the backs of American taxpayers. And not really helping the
Speaker 1: environment at all. Recent US Department of Energy report has
Speaker 1: stated that climate change may not be catastrophic. After all,
Speaker 1: what do we know about this, Steve Yeah. This was.
Speaker 8: Energy Secretary Chris Wright went and selected for scientists and
Speaker 8: a good economist. These are skeptic scientists John Christy, Judith Curry,
Speaker 8: Ross McKittrick, and Roy Spencer. Roy Spencer's an advisor of mine,
Speaker 8: and also Stephen Coonan an economist, and they wrote a
Speaker 8: report called a Critical Review of the Impacts of greenhouse
Speaker 8: gas emissions on the US Climate.
Speaker 6: They had really only one condition.
Speaker 8: For Secretary, right, they said, you know, you can't tell
Speaker 8: us what to write, and you can interfere.
Speaker 6: In any way with what we're writing.
Speaker 8: And so they wrote this report and it's very scientifically
Speaker 8: based and it basically says that the climate models are
Speaker 8: have been exaggerating things.
Speaker 6: We're not seeing.
Speaker 8: Dangerous climate situations even though CO two is going up.
Speaker 8: We're not seeing more hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and droughts. And
Speaker 8: they concluded that quote, the CO two induced warming might
Speaker 8: be less damaging economically than commonly believed, and excessively aggressive
Speaker 8: mitigation policies could prove more detrimental than beneficial, which you know,
Speaker 8: you and I have talked about for quite a while
Speaker 8: on this. And so they wrote this report and it's
Speaker 8: been attacked all over the place, challenged in court already.
Speaker 8: This is by the Environmental Defense Fund and the Union
Speaker 8: of Concern, Union of Concerned Scientists, a couple climate groups
Speaker 8: and environmental groups, and so they've attacked it as being
Speaker 8: secret group that wrote this report.
Speaker 6: It wasn't a secret.
Speaker 8: I mean it took a month I wrote this and
Speaker 8: they published it. So but you know they're going to
Speaker 8: attack this right at laughter, That's what's been going on.
Speaker 8: But these these folks are right. The climatists are wrong.
Speaker 8: Climate is dominated by nature, not man made emissions.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. The ep administrator, Lee Zelden, has gone a long
Speaker 1: way to try and correct these these omissions of real
Speaker 1: science and the bad data at the EPA. He announced
Speaker 1: he'd be repealing the two thousand and nine endangerment finding
Speaker 1: on greenhouse gases for the listener if they if they're
Speaker 1: not sure what the two thousand and nine endangerment findings
Speaker 1: are on greenhouse gases, can you tell us that first
Speaker 1: and then tell us about the impact of mister Zelden
Speaker 1: doing that from the EPA.
Speaker 8: Yeah, December seven, two thousand and nine, a date that
Speaker 8: will live an infamy, not hor but because during the
Speaker 8: Obama administration, the EPA ruled that carbonoxide and other greenhouse
Speaker 8: gases were endangering public health and welfare. It's called the
Speaker 8: endangement finding. It's basically the basis for calling carbon dioxide
Speaker 8: a pollutant and the basis for all kinds of laws
Speaker 8: to try and roll back power plant emissions and other things. Now,
Speaker 8: the EPA gets their power from the Clean Air Acts
Speaker 8: of nineteen seventies and in the nineteen eighties. EPA is
Speaker 8: the regulator of pollution across the country. But there was
Speaker 8: nothing in the Clean Air Act that talked about greenhouse
Speaker 8: gases or carbon dioxide. And so I think what the
Speaker 8: Administrator Zelden is going to argue is that the EPA
Speaker 8: overstepped their bounds in two thousand and nine and that
Speaker 8: if Congress wants this, they need to specifically vote this in.
Speaker 8: And this is going to go all the way to
Speaker 8: Supreme Court. This is they're setting up a rule making
Speaker 8: and people are going to comment, but this is going
Speaker 8: to challenge. It's going to take a couple of years,
Speaker 8: but it really is a big, big change, and we
Speaker 8: shouldn't be calling carbon dioxide a pollutant. That that's this
Speaker 8: foolish stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, how did that ever become the boogeyman
Speaker 1: in all of this? Because we know that carbon is
Speaker 1: one of the basic building blocks for life on Earth,
Speaker 1: and carbon dioxide is necessary for plants to grow, for
Speaker 1: the greening of the earth, for the production of crops,
Speaker 1: for the for the health of the oceans. We know
Speaker 1: that CO two is necessary, and we're still we're still
Speaker 1: comparatively to other times in Earth's history, at minuscule levels
Speaker 1: in our atmosphere of CO two. It's not the dominant
Speaker 1: molecule or gas that's in our atmosphere, even with all
Speaker 1: the man made emissions. How did CO two ever become
Speaker 1: the bad guy here?
Speaker 8: Well, it was a computer modelers that noted that carbonoxide
Speaker 8: was rising in our atmosphere and they said this is
Speaker 8: enhancing the greenhouse effect and causing our temperatures to rise.
Speaker 8: Doctor James Hanson and another of course, former Vice President Al.
Speaker 6: Gore promoted this in a big way.
Speaker 8: But you're right when I present the groups, I say
Speaker 8: CO two is green, makes the plants grow. It's one
Speaker 8: of the three substances on Earth, along with water and oxygen.
Speaker 8: That's the center for life. We each breathe out We
Speaker 8: burn sugars in our bodies produce carbonoxide. So everybody on
Speaker 8: Earth exhales about two pounds a day of CO two,
Speaker 8: which shouldn't.
Speaker 6: Be called a pollutant.
Speaker 8: So anyway, mister s Elton's going to try and roll
Speaker 8: this back. We'll see what happens. This will be a
Speaker 8: huge fight, but I think eventually they're going to argue
Speaker 8: on legal grounds, which is what the Supreme Court talks about,
Speaker 8: and say that the EK overstepped its bounds and Congress
Speaker 8: is going to have to vote this, which they would
Speaker 8: never do if they want to keep this endangerment finding
Speaker 8: in place.
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, you know, trees breathe CO two, soda,
Speaker 1: plants yep, the ocean requires it.
Speaker 8: Well, they breathe oxygen. You're right, they breathe in CO two.
Speaker 3: Yes, for.
Speaker 8: Us philosynthesis and exhale oxygen.
Speaker 1: They breathe out oxygen for us, and we give them
Speaker 1: CO two for them. It sounds like a perfectly symbiotic
Speaker 1: relationship to me, Steve, for life on Earth, European leaders
Speaker 1: announced plans this year to invest hundreds of billions of
Speaker 1: dollars or euros in AI to try and catch up
Speaker 1: to the United States and China. In a recent article
Speaker 1: that you did, you point out that these announcements conflict
Speaker 1: with European net zero energy policies, And I think the
Speaker 1: last time we talked, we talked a little bit about this.
Speaker 1: But if they need, if they need all that energy
Speaker 1: for AI, there's no way mathematically they can make their
Speaker 1: net zero goals. Correct.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's the case. They've all announced this
Speaker 8: year that they're going to go pursue AI. French President
Speaker 8: Emmanuel Macron said he's going to provide more than one
Speaker 8: hundred billion euros to boost artificial intelligence. But I don't
Speaker 8: think he realizes how big this is. The Meta Data
Speaker 8: Center in northern Louisiana, when it's completed by twenty thirty,
Speaker 8: is going to use two thirds of all the electricity
Speaker 8: that Paris uses, and when it's expanded, it's going to
Speaker 8: use as much as Paris. So we're talking some big,
Speaker 8: big numbers. And in France, the per person electricity has
Speaker 8: been declining since two thousand and five. It's found about
Speaker 8: sixteen percent, so every person in France, by the way,
Speaker 8: they have a person called Marine Lapine of the opposition
Speaker 8: party announced he's going to install air conditioning across France.
Speaker 8: They don't even have the air conditioning in many of
Speaker 8: the buildings or their schools, so they've.
Speaker 6: Been doing this net zero thing. In the way behind Germany.
Speaker 8: The same thing. Chancellor Angelo Marco was closing nuclear plants,
Speaker 8: more than twenty of them. The new Chancellor, Frederick Mertz
Speaker 8: says he's going to provide subsidies for data centers, but
Speaker 8: the per person power consumption in Germany's down nineteen percent
Speaker 8: since two thousand and five. And finally there's Prime Minister
Speaker 8: Kars Starmer who's also pushing AI. But UK is on
Speaker 8: the road to becoming a net zero society with a
Speaker 8: zero electricity society. With net zero, the average person in
Speaker 8: the United Kingdom consumes a third less electricity than they
Speaker 8: did twenty years ago, so they're going to have to
Speaker 8: change all this if they want to do AI, it's
Speaker 8: just not going to work. We'll see what happens. But
Speaker 8: you know, your listeners could should picture a huge title
Speaker 8: wave washing over a little tiny sailboat and the title
Speaker 8: waves the artificial intelligence revolution, and the sailboat is net zero.
Speaker 8: It's just going to get washed away by all that's
Speaker 8: going on.
Speaker 1: Last week, Nvidia announced a one hundred billion dollar investment
Speaker 1: in open AI, the artificial intelligence laboratory. I think you
Speaker 1: were kind of referencing that what is going to be
Speaker 1: the impact on US energy supply.
Speaker 8: Well, this outfit, open AI that produced chat GPP, is
Speaker 8: planning to invest something like five hundred billion dollars across
Speaker 8: the world, half of it in the United States, and
Speaker 8: they are in the process of building data centers in Texas,
Speaker 8: in other US locations, in India, Norway, Abu Dhabi. And
Speaker 8: when their stuff gets done, it's going to use more
Speaker 8: power than the city of New York. I mean, it's
Speaker 8: really really big stuff here, and so Nvidia is going
Speaker 8: to sell them something like five to six million graphics
Speaker 8: processing units is the plan, and these things cost about
Speaker 8: thirty thousand dollars apiece. I mean, this is just really
Speaker 8: really big business. And again it's another example of the
Speaker 8: big guys in the world investing all this money to
Speaker 8: do AI, and they're going to need power for all
Speaker 8: this and the wind and solar can't do it. It's
Speaker 8: just going to completely change the landscape.
Speaker 1: Personally, Thank god we have the president we have and
Speaker 1: not the one that was the other major party's choice,
Speaker 1: because we all know how much Kamalaharas loved electric school buses. Recently,
Speaker 1: an electric school bus fire in Canada. How did the
Speaker 1: kids make out?
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, this was fortunate. Actually, they stopped at an
Speaker 8: intersection and the bus driver was noticing smoke coming out
Speaker 8: of his vents. There were only five kids on the bus,
Speaker 8: but he got them all off and then the thing
Speaker 8: just kind of exploded. You should see the pictures of
Speaker 8: this bus. It's just terrible and you can't put these out. Normally,
Speaker 8: a driver can put out a fire in the engine
Speaker 8: of a diesel bus he gets out of his fire extinguisher,
Speaker 8: but you can't do that with these batteries. When they
Speaker 8: catch fire, the whole thing goes up. So yeah, you know,
Speaker 8: I warned my kids and say my grandkids shouldn't be
Speaker 8: getting on school buses that are electric, and families shouldn't
Speaker 8: be doing that. The risk is just very, very high.
Speaker 8: But again this has been pushed and subsidized because of
Speaker 8: the idea that we have to try and stop the
Speaker 8: ocean from rising if we all drive electric vehicles, and
Speaker 8: that just a modern superstition.
Speaker 1: Green Breakdown, your latest book or your most recent book,
Speaker 1: you predicted that the world is heading for a renewable
Speaker 1: energy failure. How is the breakdown happening? Can it be
Speaker 1: reversed by us going back to fossil fuels, which it
Speaker 1: seems more and more of the world is realizing it's
Speaker 1: got to forget this folly of wind turbines, windmills and
Speaker 1: solar panels and get back to energy that actually works.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 8: And you know, we have a resurgence of nuclear small nuclear,
Speaker 8: small modular reactors.
Speaker 1: So we have more than two hundred.
Speaker 8: Gas fired power plant that sort of being built in
Speaker 8: the United States right now. Texas itself is planning to
Speaker 8: build one hundred gas fire power plants. So what a
Speaker 8: state like Illinois I testified for the Senate a few
Speaker 8: weeks ago, is going to do what they do with
Speaker 8: solar is going to have no effect on the overall picture.
Speaker 8: But the world's going to get back to sensible, low cost,
Speaker 8: reliable energy. By the way, the Green Breakdown has a
Speaker 8: lot of great color sidebars. One of these, and these
Speaker 8: are real headlines here's one from physics dot org. Feeding
Speaker 8: cattle seaweed reduces their greenhouse gas emissions eighty two percent.
Speaker 8: So we got a bunch of people out there that
Speaker 8: want to feed our cattle seaweed to stop global warming.
Speaker 8: But people got to get the book and it'll give
Speaker 8: them the real story, the science and the economics, and
Speaker 8: also a bunch of funny color sidebars.
Speaker 1: As you mentioned, he just testified before the Senate a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. He speaks in front of groups
Speaker 1: all year long defending.
Speaker 6: The true and yeah, that was that was the Illinois Senate,
Speaker 6: by the way.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, the US Senate would be well served to
Speaker 1: have you testify and speak there as well. Steve. I
Speaker 1: can't tell you how much I appreciate your time and
Speaker 1: all of the energy you expel coming on my show
Speaker 1: and dealing with me. But I really, really am so
Speaker 1: glad that we have this connection to I and call
Speaker 1: on you when I need somebody with some real information.
Speaker 1: Steve Gorham, Executive director of the Climate Science Coalition, author
Speaker 1: of The Green Breakdown, and so much more. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much, sir. Thanks hearing Jeff, You betcha. It's the
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Speaker 1: mort Well. W talking to Jim Reneci, businessman, entrepreneur, a
Speaker 1: former congressman, and Kenna of course in Ohio for Senate governor,
Speaker 1: was a gubernatorial candidate. Rather and he'll correct me if
Speaker 1: I get all of his all of his different detailed
Speaker 1: accomplishments and things that he's tried for wrong. But always
Speaker 1: a delightful and lively discussion with mister Raeesi about the
Speaker 1: issues of the day, especially politics in Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: And that's where we begin tonight with the government shut
Speaker 1: down and the pain felt by millions of Americans who
Speaker 1: aren't government employees, of which you know, Jim, I got
Speaker 1: to tell you, first and foremost, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: And secondly, secondarily, I made sure that I had plenty
Speaker 1: of bottled water and toilet paper because I knew this
Speaker 1: was going to happen, because I was so concerned about it.
Speaker 1: But welcome to the show. How are you?
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm doing great.
Speaker 7: And hopefully your listeners aren't gathering up the water and
Speaker 7: toilet paper just yet. But I can tell you you're
Speaker 7: exactly right. C ours have become a norm in Washington, DC.
Speaker 7: Shutdowns aren't as much as a norm, although I lived
Speaker 7: through a couple of them when I was in Congress.
Speaker 7: They seem to pop up here or there. They cost
Speaker 7: the American people a tremendous amount of money, even though
Speaker 7: the American people aren't aware of it, and it's one
Speaker 7: of the reasons why shutting down is not the answer.
Speaker 7: But it happens, and it's happened a couple of times
Speaker 7: now and looks like it we're in the midst of
Speaker 7: it again.
Speaker 1: Well, you know Chuck Schumer, who is getting blamed by many,
Speaker 1: and I don't think wrongly so for calling it to
Speaker 1: Schumer shutdown because he couldn't rally troops in the Senate
Speaker 1: the way he did for the big spending bill, the
Speaker 1: big whatever build back in July. He acquiesced finally on that.
Speaker 1: But Chuck Schumer is notorious for talking about how governments
Speaker 1: up downs are so terrible and they're so they're so
Speaker 1: anti democratic, and yet he is leading this one seemingly
Speaker 1: on the Democrat side of the Senate. Is he not?
Speaker 7: Well, he is, but you got to remember the only
Speaker 7: people that lose the American people. But who wins is
Speaker 7: who wins the messaging. And right now Schumer is winning
Speaker 7: the messaging battle.
Speaker 1: Oh do you think so? I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's winning the messaging battle at all. It
Speaker 1: depends on who you listen to. But go ahead, explain
Speaker 1: your reasoning.
Speaker 7: Well, the only reason I say that is I've looked
Speaker 7: at a tremendous amount of polls. I keep track of PBS, NPR, Taris, Poles,
Speaker 7: Mourning Consult. I mean, all the polls right now are
Speaker 7: showing thirty eight percent of US adults are blaming Republicans,
Speaker 7: twenty seven twenty seven percent blaming Democrats, thirty one percent
Speaker 7: blaming both parties. So right now, if you look at polling,
Speaker 7: and I think that's the key Morning consult a poll
Speaker 7: done September twenty sixth to twenty eight, forty five percent
Speaker 7: of voters are blaming Republicans. So the messaging battle and
Speaker 7: carry here's what you have to remember. Republicans are never
Speaker 7: going to blame Republicans. Democrats are definitely going to blame Republicans,
Speaker 7: but it's the independence that really matter. And the independents
Speaker 7: have become more and more anti what's going on in Washington.
Speaker 7: They actually came out and supported Trump by almost sixty
Speaker 7: eight or sixty nine percent last November, but today their
Speaker 7: only support of at about thirty two percent. So the
Speaker 7: real key is going to be how independents think, not
Speaker 7: how Republicans think, not how Democrats think. And I do
Speaker 7: believe that these polls are showing that the Democrats have
Speaker 7: become very very sour among what's going on.
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned NPR and PBS, so those aren't going
Speaker 1: to be Those aren't going to be polls are going
Speaker 1: to be skewed to show the Republicans in a positive light. Jim,
Speaker 1: you know that. What does Trafalgar say? What does some
Speaker 1: of the other polling operations say that predicted that Trump
Speaker 1: was going to win the election? No matter what the
Speaker 1: other polls were saying, What are they saying?
Speaker 7: Well, again, I'm only looking up the ones that I'm seeing,
Speaker 7: and there is a tendency. Here's the real key, and
Speaker 7: this is the reason I think Republicans have to be
Speaker 7: a little bit concern. The Democrat message is that the
Speaker 7: reason we're staying shut down is because the Affordable Care
Speaker 7: Act tax credits are being taken away at the end
Speaker 7: of this year, and we need to make sure we
Speaker 7: stand up for those.
Speaker 1: Gus, which, of course is not entirely, entirely true. It's
Speaker 1: not true at all, And Speaker Johnson detailed that earlier today.
Speaker 1: How that's not true. They just wanted to clean CR
Speaker 1: so they could keep the government, keep the lights on,
Speaker 1: so they could finish the appropriations work that they were
Speaker 1: supposed to have done.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 7: Again, I always try and be objective.
Speaker 6: I've lived through this.
Speaker 7: A Speaker Johnson has to say what he has to say.
Speaker 7: He has to protect Republicans. I'm a little shocked, and
Speaker 7: again I don't want your listeners to think, boy when
Speaker 7: he's being hard on Speaker Johnson, I'm surprised he's not.
Speaker 7: I'm surprised that he's not in Washington. Look, I lived
Speaker 7: through two shutdowns. We were not allowed to leave. Every
Speaker 7: Republican member I actually sat in Washington, D C. On
Speaker 7: New Year's Eve because we had a shutdown over the
Speaker 7: holidays and had to be there on New Year's Eve.
Speaker 7: Always said, it's the loneliest time I've only been by
Speaker 7: myself twice on New Year's Eve. One's probably when I
Speaker 7: was born as a baby. In the second time in Congress,
Speaker 7: but yeah, we were there waiting to come up with
Speaker 7: a deal. And there are some American people who are
Speaker 7: not happy that the House isn't sitting there either. So
Speaker 7: the speaker's got the speaker has to say what he
Speaker 7: has to say. But I do think there is other
Speaker 7: pulling out there. Washington Post and again we we can
Speaker 7: claim some of these polls aren't effective, but uh, you know,
Speaker 7: seventy one percent of respondents believe that these tax credits
Speaker 7: are important, and ninety five percent Democrats, eighty percent Independence,
Speaker 7: and sixty two percent of Republicans want them to expire.
Speaker 7: So I was talking to one of my former colleagues
Speaker 7: who's a member still a member of Congress, and he said,
Speaker 7: it's going to be interesting because we probably will come
Speaker 7: back at some point in time. And you can remember
Speaker 7: I said this because I'm not making this up. I'm
Speaker 7: getting this from Republican member. We thought we probably will.
Speaker 7: We probably will come back, and it'll be by approving
Speaker 7: the ACA subsidies.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 8: Well, I think that in mind too.
Speaker 1: The thing that has been made. The case that's been
Speaker 1: made by the Republicans is that they're trying to save
Speaker 1: Medicaid and some of these and make make the ACE
Speaker 1: work better. And the only way you can do that
Speaker 1: is through these appropriations bills that have to be passed.
Speaker 1: There need to be There are like twelve different appropriations
Speaker 1: bills that need to pass. They've passed three of them.
Speaker 1: The House. You talked about the House being gone, and
Speaker 1: during this shutdown, the House passed the clean cr and
Speaker 1: Senate to the Senate. So the Senate is holding this up, Jim.
Speaker 1: They can make any argument that they want, They can
Speaker 1: make any argument that they want as to why. But
Speaker 1: all this is this was a stopgap to get us
Speaker 1: to November twenty. First, what I want to know is
Speaker 1: how come they can't pass a budget that isn't just
Speaker 1: a kicking the can down the road kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And it's Republicans and Democrats, And this is what people
Speaker 1: independents alike are pissed off about, including me, because I
Speaker 1: was talking to somebody else about this, Jim, and they're
Speaker 1: arguing over how to spend our money. This is money.
Speaker 1: Washington doesn't have just a big pile of money somewhere
Speaker 1: that they generated themselves to fund all these things. It
Speaker 1: is Congress's job, primarily not to conduct investigations, but to
Speaker 1: appropriate funds to levy taxes and to provide for the
Speaker 1: common defense. And constitutionally, there is no other job that Congress,
Speaker 1: the House of Representatives has, or Congress in Sentate than
Speaker 1: it is to figure out how to spend our money.
Speaker 1: It's our money, and people forget that it's the taxpayer's money,
Speaker 1: it's not Washington's money.
Speaker 7: Okay, I one hundred percent agree with you, But I
Speaker 7: want to come back to your first comment where you said, well,
Speaker 7: you know, the Speaker is saying, let's just sign this
Speaker 7: R and we're going to come back and pass our
Speaker 7: twelve appropriation bills our budget. Well, here's what I would
Speaker 7: ask the speaker if I was interviewing mister speaker, when's
Speaker 7: the last time the House and Senate has passed twelve
Speaker 7: appropriation bills and a budget? And the answer is almost
Speaker 7: forty years ago. Mister speaker, who are you kidding? You
Speaker 7: are not coming back to pass the appropriations bills, You're
Speaker 7: not coming back to pass a budget. This is the problem,
Speaker 7: and this is just what you said, and this is
Speaker 7: what American people are so set up with Garry. It's
Speaker 7: one of the reasons why I left Congress. I was
Speaker 7: on the budget committee. We could not get a budget passed,
Speaker 7: and we never got twelve appropriation bills passed. And we
Speaker 7: tried and tried and tried, and even when we got
Speaker 7: something past, the Senate wouldn't pass it either. So it
Speaker 7: doesn't matter. The speaker can say this all he wants
Speaker 7: the American people, and you're one hundred percent right. The
Speaker 7: number one job for the US Congress is to pass
Speaker 7: a budget and twelve appropriation bills. Yet they failed for
Speaker 7: forty years, and the speakers saying, well, if they just
Speaker 7: passed the c R, we're going to pass one.
Speaker 1: Well he said, he says, he says he came to
Speaker 1: change that. Jim, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 7: And by the way, how long has he been there?
Speaker 7: And what are your last year?
Speaker 1: Year? Two years? Yeah?
Speaker 7: And what happened and what happened the year before? They
Speaker 7: have not passed the budget and they have not passed
Speaker 7: appropriations bills. Every speaker says they're here to do it,
Speaker 7: and every speaker knows it's impossibility. So quit talking about
Speaker 7: it and come up with a solution. How about this, Gary,
Speaker 7: And here's what I've said. If Jim or Acy was
Speaker 7: Speaker of the House, I would say, none of you
Speaker 7: are leaving. We're going to stay here for three hundred
Speaker 7: and sixty five days straight until we passed twelve appropriation
Speaker 7: bills and a budget. And if you don't pass those,
Speaker 7: we'll stay for another three hundred and sixty five days straight.
Speaker 7: If you want to get the House and Senate to
Speaker 7: do their work, don't let them go home.
Speaker 1: If the US, if the US here, here's another question, Jim,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that, and you know, uh, you want
Speaker 1: to get back into that it's nest again, go ahead
Speaker 1: and run. But but what I'm what I'm asking you
Speaker 1: is too And this is something that's always been cure.
Speaker 1: Anytime the government is shut down and they talk about
Speaker 1: all the horrors that are going to be people are
Speaker 1: going to be laying in the streets dying because they
Speaker 1: can't get medical care, and the national parks are closed,
Speaker 1: and all these federal workers are without their paychecks. You
Speaker 1: know who's not without a paycheck during a governments shut down?
Speaker 1: The people who are supposed to appropriate the funds and
Speaker 1: pass a budget in the House and Senate. How come
Speaker 1: their checks keep coming?
Speaker 6: Jim, Well, I would agree with you.
Speaker 7: And the only reason they do it's constitutionally in the law.
Speaker 7: Because people will say and by the way, if you
Speaker 7: ever hear somebody say, and you're gonna hear this, you're
Speaker 7: gonna hear a House and Senate members saying I'm going
Speaker 7: to donate my payroll on my paycheck back.
Speaker 6: That's hogwash.
Speaker 7: They can't donate their paycheck back. They have to be
Speaker 7: paid their paycheck.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 7: They can get their check and write a check to charities,
Speaker 7: which some of them will do, but nobody can give
Speaker 7: up their paycheck. And what's even worse, Gary, is our
Speaker 7: military does not get paid. I agree, they have to
Speaker 7: continue to serve until this government reopens.
Speaker 3: Now they'll get back paid.
Speaker 7: But how would you like to be somebody living paycheck
Speaker 7: to paycheck in the military, protecting our country and not
Speaker 7: getting paid. It's one of the reasons why we should
Speaker 7: never shut down the government just for that reason. But
Speaker 7: we do what we do, and one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 1: All right, let's switch subjects just for a few minutes.
Speaker 1: If you got a few more minutes, sure, absolutely, all right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about this unwillingness to face in various cities,
Speaker 1: an obvious problem to most people who live in these
Speaker 1: cities that crime has overtaken them. And President Trump's efforts,
Speaker 1: which were constitutional in Washington, d C. I don't know
Speaker 1: about it any other city anywhere else in the country,
Speaker 1: but all of this pushback to having federal troops actually
Speaker 1: protect federal buildings and federal law enforcement officers in these
Speaker 1: other cities, so the police of those cities can go
Speaker 1: about their job and actually arrest criminals. What's going on
Speaker 1: with all of that.
Speaker 7: Well, it's politics as usual and faith that we do
Speaker 7: need safer cities, we do need safer streets. The problem is,
Speaker 7: and I try and look at this again, not from
Speaker 7: somebody looking at the federal government or what President.
Speaker 8: Trump's trying to do.
Speaker 7: If President Trump sends these troops into these cities, that
Speaker 7: means that to get these cities safer, we have to
Speaker 7: spend more money, by spending more people, by hiring basically
Speaker 7: hiring the federal government's troops to protect our cities. That's look,
Speaker 7: it may be a short term answer, but it's not
Speaker 7: a long term answer. The minute those troops leave, things
Speaker 7: are going to go. So how do we really fix it? Yeah,
Speaker 7: and I wish we could start looking at that. How
Speaker 7: do we really fix these situations? Because sending in the
Speaker 7: military is good for thirty days, but it's not good
Speaker 7: for thirty years. And at some point in time we
Speaker 7: have to be able to sit back and figure out
Speaker 7: how to fix this. Well, and what I just told you,
Speaker 7: the only way to fix it is more money. And
Speaker 7: that's a problem because it's got to be a whole
Speaker 7: slew of things that are done to fix it. It's
Speaker 7: just not more money.
Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you what not going to fix it.
Speaker 1: No cash, bail is not going to fix it. A
Speaker 1: revolving door in that justice system is not going to
Speaker 1: fix it. And that's what we've seen in a lot
Speaker 1: of these large cities, Jim, and you know it as
Speaker 1: well as I do. And you know what else is
Speaker 1: not going to fix it? Hiring camp counselors instead of police,
Speaker 1: and all the other things that are attributable to the
Speaker 1: violence and chaos in some of these cities that happened
Speaker 1: to be yes controlled and run by Democrats time and
Speaker 1: time and time again.
Speaker 7: Yes or no, Well, absolutely and one hundred percent agree
Speaker 7: with you. But see you just listed out the answers,
Speaker 7: but politics, politicians and politics will not allow that to happen.
Speaker 7: So that's the real key. But you got to remember
Speaker 7: we're elected society. I may not like the way California
Speaker 7: runs their business or LA, but I also have a
Speaker 7: choice not to live in California or LA. And I
Speaker 7: think that's the answer. I mean, the minute you try
Speaker 7: and fix the problem, you know, you and I are saying, well,
Speaker 7: let's eliminate the Democrat mayors and the Democrat But the
Speaker 7: problem is they're being elected and that's the other issue.
Speaker 7: So you know, the people that are electing them want
Speaker 7: them to run the city the way they want them,
Speaker 7: or you know, the people that are electing them really
Speaker 7: aren't paying attention to who they're electing. I think it's
Speaker 7: the latter more than the former. But it is the
Speaker 7: problem we have, and it's it's why we live in
Speaker 7: a free democracy where we may not like the Los
Speaker 7: Angeles is running their city, or even the way Cleveland's
Speaker 7: running its city, but or Cincinnati or Columbus.
Speaker 1: Well, Jim Jim Jim dearborn Michigan is still a part
Speaker 1: of these United States of America, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: we are a constitutional Republic. So just because they've elected it,
Speaker 1: they can't go to sharia law over the United States
Speaker 1: Constitution and the rule of law described within. They can't,
Speaker 1: or maybe they should they maybe they should just maybe
Speaker 1: dearborn Michigan should just secede from the United States.
Speaker 7: Then well, I think what is going to happen over
Speaker 7: the next ten, fifteen, twenty years, And I hate to
Speaker 7: see this as there will be some succession talk, whether
Speaker 7: it's you know, the state of California, the state Oregon.
Speaker 7: These comments are going to continue to be discussed as
Speaker 7: to whether you know, these states want to stay in here.
Speaker 7: I hope, I hope that's not the case. But these
Speaker 7: are the issues that really our children and grandchildren are
Speaker 7: going to have to face as our constitutional republic continues
Speaker 7: to be tested, which is really what's going on here now.
Speaker 7: There's the test as to whether we will survive and
Speaker 7: will continue to be the United States of America. But
Speaker 7: you know, that'll be some time in the future. I
Speaker 7: don't think you and I will be around to see it.
Speaker 7: We continue to fight for it today, but you know,
Speaker 7: let's well, let's face it, let's.
Speaker 1: Just jim, let's just let's just make a pact to
Speaker 1: keep on living so we can continue to fight. Listen,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Had a great time with you and some good information
Speaker 1: back and forth. Thanks Jim Oran Aci, thank you all
Speaker 1: right on the nightcap on seven hundred W round and
Speaker 1: third heading for home, not only on the Reds baseball season,
Speaker 1: but on tonight's night camp. And since we've talked Bengals
Speaker 1: and said everything in Sundiurya, we possibly can about this
Speaker 1: pathetic excuse for an NFL franchise in Cincinnati. It's time
Speaker 1: to put our shoes, our cleats on the other feet,
Speaker 1: so to speak, and continue our conversation with the wild
Speaker 1: Man tonight about the red season, what he thinks they
Speaker 1: need to do. Where do we go from here? I
Speaker 1: ask had a discussion on Saturday Morning show wild Man,
Speaker 1: and I'll just start with this, and we were talking
Speaker 1: about best baseball movies of all time, and my pick
Speaker 1: is still sixty one, which is the epic chronicling.
Speaker 6: Of a great movie, great movie.
Speaker 1: The Roger Merris Chase for Bay Bruce single season home
Speaker 1: run record and Mickey Mantle competing. It is a great movie.
Speaker 1: And I asked Mo Agger I said, if you were
Speaker 1: going to make a movie about this past season's Red season,
Speaker 1: what would you title it? And he said the first step.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 1: Not at all at all, No, not at all all right,
Speaker 1: So what do the Reds need to do? What would
Speaker 1: you call? What would you call? What would you title
Speaker 1: the season that was for the Reds if you were
Speaker 1: making a baseball movie about it? What would they?
Speaker 3: Still a lot of work to do?
Speaker 1: Okay, still a lot of work to do?
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean Nick Crawl has a number of decisions,
Speaker 3: and one of them is he might have to part
Speaker 3: with one of the starting pitchers in the rotation in
Speaker 3: order to get this bat that the Reds desperately need now.
Speaker 3: And I've looked at the free agency the bat of
Speaker 3: the players out there that have been a big bats,
Speaker 3: Pete Alonzo, Kyle Swarmer. Let's not kid ourselves. Kyle Swarmer
Speaker 3: is not coming here. The Phillies love love him, he
Speaker 3: loves being there. They're not letting him walk. And Peter
Speaker 3: Alonzo he'll probably stay with the Mets, but he would
Speaker 3: probably call yeah, you know, forty million dollars. I mean,
Speaker 3: come on, and he doesn't really play that grided defense
Speaker 3: at first base. They may have to trade one of
Speaker 3: their pitchers to find it bad. But there's also Marcelo Souna,
Speaker 3: you know whoever, just like thirty home runs a year
Speaker 3: for the Braves is available, so might that might be
Speaker 3: a guy that Tin Kram might be willing to bring in.
Speaker 3: Here he went and caught him an arm on the leg.
Speaker 3: But here here's the following things that's probably going to happen.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say it will, but the first
Speaker 3: thing is, yeah, Tito fran Conan needs to sit down
Speaker 3: with Li de la Cruz and say, look, man, I know,
Speaker 3: I know you're a team guy. You want you want
Speaker 3: to win. We need you to move the right field.
Speaker 3: And here is why. And I heads back to nineteen
Speaker 3: to seventy five when Sparky Anderson sat down with p
Speaker 3: Rose and said, hey, would you be willing to move
Speaker 3: the third base sor George Fauffler could blay left field
Speaker 3: because it would really help the team. And Pete said, absolutely,
Speaker 3: I'll move the third base. No, you can't let the
Speaker 3: inmates run the asylum. You can't let them do it.
Speaker 3: So you asked La de la Cruz to move to
Speaker 3: right field, and I think he would and he would
Speaker 3: have plenty of time to learn how to play right
Speaker 3: field during spring training. He's got the arm. You keep
Speaker 3: Frido in center, you keep Marte in left field. You
Speaker 3: get rid of Austin Hayes, you get rid of Will Benson,
Speaker 3: you get rid of Espinal. You let Amelia Pagan walk,
Speaker 3: You let get rid of Sam maul let Martinez walk
Speaker 3: in his twenty one million dollar deal. H they let
Speaker 3: them guys go. They let those guys go. Now, who
Speaker 3: plays third base? To me, that's a new brand, that's
Speaker 3: a new brainer, south Stewart. But you also keep Keana
Speaker 3: Hayes because of his defense. But south Stewart can also
Speaker 3: plays first base. Spencer Steel plays first Who plays shoot shortstop?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: And you didn't ask me Matt McClean, But he would
Speaker 3: be on his short lease coming out of spring training.
Speaker 3: But Matt McLean is a short stop from the get go.
Speaker 3: Matt McLean only made a errors at second base. Led Day,
Speaker 3: la Cruz made twenty four errors, and in the last
Speaker 3: two years, Gary Jeff l De la Cruz has made
Speaker 3: forty eight errors at shortstop. You can't have that. You
Speaker 3: can't have that. He who would play second. They could
Speaker 3: possibly find a second basement in free agency, or they
Speaker 3: could play Gavin Lutz over there at second and or
Speaker 3: they can platoon that. But to me, it starts with
Speaker 3: sitting down with l de la Cruz and saying, look, man,
Speaker 3: we need you to move to right field. This would
Speaker 3: be for the benefit of the team. You may sell
Speaker 3: out there. You can track balls down. Think how many
Speaker 3: home runs that he possibly could could save a great
Speaker 3: American ballpark. As tall as he is, and his lapman
Speaker 3: ability and the arm that he's got. You need a
Speaker 3: strong You need a strong arm in right field now.
Speaker 3: Now as a relief the relief pitchers, I'd keep Scott Barlow.
Speaker 3: I keep Brett sooner. I bring him back because he's
Speaker 3: a lefty and can I make big, big sweaty Tony
Speaker 3: Santion as the closer.
Speaker 7: I you know.
Speaker 1: What's Here's here's what I would say, just depending on
Speaker 1: his development. I wouldn't use Chase Burns as a starter.
Speaker 1: I'd use him as as a closer, a late closer,
Speaker 1: Chase Burns or or a setup guy.
Speaker 3: They could be our setup guy. They could be thinking
Speaker 3: that way I did. Tony's Antion has got the boxing,
Speaker 3: uh to be that closer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really do to.
Speaker 3: Uh, But again, Burns and also you got Connor, you
Speaker 3: got Connor Phillips, who really was took a big step
Speaker 3: forward there the season went on, all right, Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: my take on that.
Speaker 1: When they brought Burns up and they gave him that
Speaker 1: start in the Yankees, and he when he struck out
Speaker 1: the first five batters he faced just blowing that smoke.
Speaker 1: And then of course they figured out what he was
Speaker 1: doing and and they torched him after that. But I thought,
Speaker 1: put put that guy in in the seventh or eighth inning.
Speaker 1: He is gonna he is gonna blow the those two
Speaker 1: three batters away that you need him to do, and
Speaker 1: he's gonna provide a perfect setup for for somebody like
Speaker 1: Santiene or santi On how however you pronounce it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it'd be kind of like the Nasty Boys,
Speaker 3: you know, when he brought it to arm Charlton, Rob
Speaker 3: Bibble and Randy Myers and all the viral ballers. I mean,
Speaker 3: you put Connor Phillips maybe in the seventh innings, Chase Burns,
Speaker 3: ninth inning, Tony Sandy on lights out.
Speaker 1: I agree with that that mentality and We have talked
Speaker 1: ever since the middle of the season about Ellie moving
Speaker 1: to the outfield, and.
Speaker 3: Everybody says that, you know, and again behind the scenes,
Speaker 3: you know I'm gonna I'll go back again. In nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy five, Sparky went to Peter Rouse because he knew
Speaker 3: that George Foster was ready and Parks and they didn't
Speaker 3: Pete Berline. Pete played third base back in nineteen sixty six,
Speaker 3: but nobody kind of stuck him over there and he
Speaker 3: sucked at it, but he went to third base. He
Speaker 3: played a pretty good third base with the Reds and
Speaker 3: the years that he was here. I mean the very
Speaker 3: first game, Gary, Jeff, the very pitch of the game,
Speaker 3: where do you think the ball was into when Prose
Speaker 3: went to third base the third base, Yeah, Pete feeling
Speaker 3: it flawlessly and threw the guy out. I mean, he
Speaker 3: wasn't a gold glove. Be sure you know he played,
Speaker 3: you know, he played well over there, he really did.
Speaker 3: I had opened the door for George lost her.
Speaker 1: I think, and I think he would agree with this,
Speaker 1: because you're such a sycophant when it comes to Pete.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: I think Pete Rose could have played any position and
Speaker 1: probably learned it and and been well more than proficionally positioned.
Speaker 3: So you know, my guys can say that and exactly
Speaker 3: would have went behind the plate if he had they had,
Speaker 3: if they needed him.
Speaker 1: He would have done that. All right, Well, get on
Speaker 1: back to your reruns whatever it is you're watching tonight.
Speaker 3: I have no idea, uh quickly about bad Bunny is
Speaker 3: the NFL. The NFL has lost its mind. They don't
Speaker 3: need somebody like that to sell the game. I just
Speaker 3: don't understand that. I didn't know who's bunny.
Speaker 1: Really, I didn't know who the hell he was until
Speaker 1: I saw him in a pet in a pink dress.
Speaker 3: What the hell the NFL cross dressers in Spanish? What
Speaker 3: I speak English? What he's saying. The idiots, man, they really.
Speaker 1: Are, there are they're always about three or four years
Speaker 1: behind the times in culture when they you know, they
Speaker 1: don't understand that the whole, the whole, everybody's trans and
Speaker 1: the woke movement's done. They don't they don't understand stick
Speaker 1: of forking and it's done, wild man.
Speaker 3: Not only not only that, buddy, is that they don't
Speaker 3: need that, They don't need that the game itself.
Speaker 1: Hell no, listen, uh, We're done to stick a fork
Speaker 1: in us. Wild Man, thank you. I'll talk to you
Speaker 1: next week. How about that.
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you next week, my friends.
Speaker 1: All right, now we conclude with the national anthem to
Speaker 1: Honor America on seven hundred W l W. Yes, it
Speaker 1: is once more time to check in with the human
Speaker 1: goo factory known as wild Man Walker, also known as
Speaker 1: a sports commando. And in the wake of another expected
Speaker 1: Bengals loss yesterday to the Lions, I'm sure there's plenty
Speaker 1: of good to go around for the wild Man. Uh,
Speaker 1: wild how you doing today? You're recovering.
Speaker 3: I'm well, I don't have the goo. I'm dumb after
Speaker 3: the other two losses. I'm numb about this football team.
Speaker 3: That's a lost season. I don't really care what happens.
Speaker 3: And it's not gonna matter until they get rid of
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor and Duke Covin and Jake Browning. This team's
Speaker 3: gonna it's gonna be. It's a disaster. It's a fricking dismester. Gary, Jeff,
Speaker 3: let's keep it real here.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 3: The Bengals were never ever in that game yesterday, and
Speaker 3: you got these talking heads on television. Well, they scored
Speaker 3: twenty something points, you know, and three touchdowns. Those touchdowns
Speaker 3: were garbage like in basketball, garbage time. They were covering
Speaker 3: this game. Jake Browning, it's not the end or to
Speaker 3: lead this team to any wins. I want to ask
Speaker 3: you this, What in the hell has he was he
Speaker 3: doing last year when he was on the sidelines holding
Speaker 3: that clipboard watching Joe Bartle play.
Speaker 1: What was he doing?
Speaker 3: Was he taking notes? Was he watching the game? I mean,
Speaker 3: he set out all last year and watch how things
Speaker 3: went on the field, and he comes on and performs
Speaker 3: like this. He's not the answer man.
Speaker 1: You know, wild manship, wild man, I go, I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you this. So I walked into the studio today
Speaker 1: and I just caught him. Before I left, I saw
Speaker 1: Tony Pike and I said, have the Bengals called yet?
Speaker 1: He said, I'm putting together a highlight film because we
Speaker 1: had We got six foot five of NFL backup quarterback
Speaker 1: walking around here at the radio studio. I mean, almost
Speaker 1: anything would be better than watching Jake Browning just melt
Speaker 1: down and he knows it's not good, he knows it's
Speaker 1: not right. I don't know if he's physically capable of
Speaker 1: rising above his browniness at this point, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't even know.
Speaker 3: And the words of Lou Penela, I've seen enough. I've
Speaker 3: seen enough of Jake Browning and ownership, ohs, the loyal
Speaker 3: fan base and Cincinnati who have stuck with this team
Speaker 3: to thickened in to the bidder end, the lows, the highs,
Speaker 3: to go out and find a quarterback that can possibly
Speaker 3: get them some wins. Whoes not now, don't paint on this,
Speaker 3: but right now the AFC Nora is up for grabs. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the Raven stink, the brown stink. The Steelers are Okay,
Speaker 3: there's still a chance. So let's get a quarterback in here.
Speaker 3: And they have to trade a player and a draft choice,
Speaker 3: do whatever, but get a quarterback in here that can
Speaker 3: sling the ball to the two best receivers possibly in
Speaker 3: the NFL. And that's t Higgins and Jamar Chase. Jamie
Speaker 3: isn't winsdon it's the guy I want because that guy
Speaker 3: will sling it and he may throw some pigs, but
Speaker 3: he knows what he's doing. And he went to learn
Speaker 3: that the playbook, you know, all that, the complicated playbook.
Speaker 3: Think you're gonna give him basic plays, man, and go out.
Speaker 1: There and do it well, give him basic plays and
Speaker 1: let him call the plays too, because you know what
Speaker 1: you mentioned, the brown stink and the Ravens stink, which
Speaker 1: I can't argue with. And guy, the Ravens talk about
Speaker 1: a skeleton of their former team just with all of
Speaker 1: the injuries and everything that happens to every NFL team,
Speaker 1: but not like it has Baltimore this year, Pittsburgh, the
Speaker 1: Steelers being okay, But you know what those three teams
Speaker 1: have that the Bengals don't. A competent head coach, Kevin's
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski of the Browns. That the Browns product may
Speaker 1: not be the front office, the players may not be
Speaker 1: up to snuff, but Kevin Stefanski is uh. John Harbaugh
Speaker 1: is chronicled as one of the best coaches year after
Speaker 1: year in the NFL. And Mike Tomlin, all he does
Speaker 1: is put together whatever he's got and they are a
Speaker 1: viable opportunity to win every time, every Sunday, every time
Speaker 1: they go out on the field in Pittsburgh. And I'm
Speaker 1: telling you that is the major difference between every other
Speaker 1: team in our division and the Cincinnati Bengals. Do you
Speaker 1: agree or not?
Speaker 3: I agree, and On top of that, they have in
Speaker 3: the front office. They have very smart football people. The
Speaker 3: Skimmers give the Ravens zoo. Yeah, the Browns du sorta.
Speaker 3: But Duke Duke Toban for some reason gets the pass
Speaker 3: from the milk toots media in this town, Radio, TV
Speaker 3: and those scribes. Duke Toban's track record, look at it,
Speaker 3: it's not very good. I mean, Ray Charles could have
Speaker 3: taken Jamar, Chase Steeviee Wonder could have taken Joe Burrow. Duh.
Speaker 3: It's the other guys. And if they're afraid to give
Speaker 3: up a sixth round pick thinking they're gonna find something,
Speaker 3: you know, superstar and the sixth round of the draft
Speaker 3: to get Jamis and incident in here to possibly salvage
Speaker 3: the season. There are their minds that's not going to happen,
Speaker 3: and give up the sixth round picker. Great one of
Speaker 3: those players, and they got that. Maybe the as we want.
Speaker 1: If they don't have if they don't have the proper
Speaker 1: line personnel, it's not gonna matter who the QB is.
Speaker 1: Wild Man and the Bengals are soft on both sides
Speaker 1: of the football when it comes to those front five.
Speaker 3: I know that Gary Jeff but an experienced quarterback who
Speaker 3: has seen everything, and jamieus wins them. You can go back.
Speaker 3: Even with the Browns, they didn't have a great offensive line,
Speaker 3: but he was he was lightening up pretty good. He'll
Speaker 3: make mistakes, but he'll be entertaining right now.
Speaker 1: This is not entertainment. No, your absolutely, no, you're right.
Speaker 1: It is not entertaining. Even if they were losing forty
Speaker 1: to thirty every game, at least a shootout would be entertaining.
Speaker 1: This is just bet add football that we're watching from
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals. And it goes far beyond who is
Speaker 1: calling the signals behind the center.
Speaker 8: This is just.
Speaker 3: The lower base, you know, you know it needs the
Speaker 3: ownership needs to you know, come, I'm crowd to do
Speaker 3: something here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the answer is.
Speaker 1: I'm not an NFL I'm not an NFL general manager.
Speaker 1: I'm not an NFL head coach. I'm not an owner.
Speaker 1: I'm just a fan. I'm a fan. I'm watching, you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're there for my entertainment. And as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: this is boring. This isn't entertaining. It's not entertaining.
Speaker 3: You can see it why can't they see it to
Speaker 3: some of the problems. I mean, they always they try
Speaker 3: to make football sense of science. You know, come on,
Speaker 3: give me a break. You know, you run the football,
Speaker 3: you pass the football. It's like baseball. See them hit
Speaker 3: the ball, catch the ball. It's not rocket science. I
Speaker 3: always you can see where the problems are.
Speaker 1: I always regarded you as a as a nuclear physicist,
Speaker 1: wild Man, I just don't understand.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not in that class yet. I tried, but
Speaker 3: I failed that. But I'm not really. I'm really just
Speaker 3: numb right now. Over the Bengals season. I really don't care.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll watch them. I watched this game yesterday
Speaker 3: and I really and I just went and when they
Speaker 3: threw the picks, I went, whatever. You know, they're they're
Speaker 3: just bad and Brownie. You start with Jake Browning and
Speaker 3: he can talk all he wants, but he's not the
Speaker 3: answer and he need to get him out of there.
Speaker 1: I watched the game specifically because I like to watch
Speaker 1: the Lions play, because you know what, wild Man, they
Speaker 1: are entertaining.
Speaker 3: Yes, they are very entertaining.
Speaker 1: They're entertaining. They're there for me for my amusement, like
Speaker 1: a clown. Do amuse me? All right, wild Man?
Speaker 3: And when they want and when they wanted to score,
Speaker 3: they could score yesterday at will. They just took it easy.
Speaker 3: They could have scored sixty points yesterday. I am.
Speaker 1: I am there with you one hundred percent. I tell
Speaker 1: you what. Let's take a break and come back and
Speaker 1: we'll finish up. Okay, all right, it's the wild Man
Speaker 1: Sports for the out of Sorts on the nightcap and
Speaker 1: the new Fall season seven hundred WLW.
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