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Speaker 1: Welcome to a brand new fall season of The Nightcap

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Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW. Gary Jef Walker. Great to be

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Speaker 1: back in the catbird seat. Great to be back on

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Speaker 1: the air with you. Sorry, Reds fans, there's not more

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Speaker 1: playoff action to consume. And the Bengals, well, we'll leave

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Speaker 1: that for later discussion. The wild Man will be joining

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Speaker 1: us later, and I know that he has a case

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Speaker 1: of what he would call the anticipated goo after another

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Speaker 1: Bengals loss yesterday to the Detroit Lions, which pretty much

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Speaker 1: everyone expected, I think, including the Bengals. But we start

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Speaker 1: this evening with my friend Peter Bronson, the author of

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Speaker 1: so many great books centered on history, especially in this

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Speaker 1: part of the country, and the former Inquirer columnist and

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Speaker 1: just a guy who has been a great boots of

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Speaker 1: content for me and been a good friend for many years. Now. Pete,

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Speaker 1: welcome back into the Nightcap studio. How are you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to be here with you, Gary Jeff. You're

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Speaker 1: very kind in your introduction there. I appreciate well, no,

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Speaker 1: I mean you're like a less gist. My first show,

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Speaker 1: my very first Nightcap, my very first guest was Marty Brenneman.

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Speaker 1: Oh I only select the best. Oh well, I'm glad

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Speaker 1: to be in his company. I like Marty. He's a

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Speaker 1: good especially if you're the leadoff hitter. So how have

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Speaker 1: you been?

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Speaker 2: Very good? Life is great. I've been very busy this

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Speaker 2: summer traveling. Celebrated my fiftieth wedding anniversary with a wife, Kathy,

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Speaker 2: and that was a lot of fun. We had the

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Speaker 2: do when our children were still children, and brought the

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Speaker 2: grandkids up there so they could see the joy of

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Speaker 2: being on the lake and playing in I got.

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Speaker 1: To tell you that there are so many reasons that

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Speaker 1: I really really admire you and look up to you personally,

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Speaker 1: and it has It has very little to do with

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Speaker 1: your great accomplishments, which would be enough on their own.

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Speaker 1: But the greatest accomplishment I think a man or a

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Speaker 1: woman can have in this life is an enduring relationship

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Speaker 1: with a spouse. Oh yes, fifty years is incredible. And

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Speaker 1: the thing is people who are if you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this and you've not been married, but you're contemplating it

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Speaker 1: for the first time, warning it is very difficult to maintain.

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Speaker 1: It's the best job you could ever have. But it

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Speaker 1: is a job, is it not.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of responsibility.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I would just say to those that

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Speaker 2: are in their twenties and thirties and they feel like

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Speaker 2: this is just not going to work and things are

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Speaker 2: just too rough, I'll tell you what. Stick it out.

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Speaker 2: It's like an investment. It just gets better and it

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Speaker 2: pays off better and better and better. The interest compounds

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Speaker 2: and your life gets better, your marriage gets stronger, your

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Speaker 2: family gets stronger, and that's the real payoff.

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Speaker 1: Krist and I just celebrated our eleventh winning inn relations

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Speaker 1: this time, and so all told together. If you count

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Speaker 1: the first marriage, which I don't know, we'll do just

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Speaker 1: for the sake of this conversation. We've been together on

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Speaker 1: and off since May thirty first of nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: So good, great, you know, we got back together and

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Speaker 1: God showed us a way to do that and it

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Speaker 1: was wonderful and it has been amen to that, Bless

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Speaker 1: the Lord. So okay, So that's one thing. You have

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Speaker 1: been tirelessly working on. Another book which is just about

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Speaker 1: ready to come out. Yes, the last.

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Speaker 2: Book was the last book was called Promise about this area, Yes,

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Speaker 2: about the first settlers and pioneers who came here are

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Speaker 2: a really tough.

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Speaker 1: Group of people. Yeah, they were, They had to be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Miami Slaughterhouse, it was known. Cincinnati was really

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Speaker 2: wasn't even known as a city or a town at

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Speaker 2: the time. It was just a little tiny settlement around

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Speaker 2: Miami Slaughterhouse because the Shawnee and the Miami tribes were

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Speaker 1: Well then you know, all the German settlers finally established

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Speaker 1: the other one, the other slaughterhouse house to another. And

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Speaker 1: neighborhoods it's become a slaughterhouse again. And that's another topic

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Speaker 1: for another time. But so tell me about the new book, Peter. Well,

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Speaker 1: the new book is called Magical hist Street Tour. And

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Speaker 1: the other books. I'm focusing on our local history and

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Speaker 1: the really rich treasure of history Cincinnati has, and so

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Speaker 1: much of it is buried, it's undiscovered. When you tell

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Speaker 2: I do various groups, service clubs and historical societies and

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Speaker 2: totally unaware of that, and so most of the people

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Speaker 2: that I meet, and so they are all these great

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Speaker 2: treasures of history. And this time I've found five that

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Speaker 1: So it's nonfiction, but it's framed of fiction. I would

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Speaker 2: Historical fiction, so the history is all accurate, and nobody

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Speaker 2: says or does anything that would be inconsistent or invented

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Speaker 2: as a means of telling our history, but that we

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Speaker 2: use the fictional characters in a few instances to help

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Speaker 2: I might pair up in one story a real detective,

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Speaker 2: a Cincinnati detective in the eighteen middle eighteen hundreds, and

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Speaker 2: his name was William Rainey, and a very well decorated

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Speaker 2: a newspaperman who is fictional, but it was based on

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Speaker 2: newspapermen at the time. Okay, So, and they're kind of

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Speaker 2: which is that two women from the Whitewater Shaker commit

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Speaker 1: And the rest is very interesting.

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Speaker 2: They were kicked out of the Shaker community, banished for

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Speaker 2: violating the oath of celibacy, and there was a young

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Speaker 2: daughter violate that oath. And it's a very fascinating story

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Speaker 2: of love, of romance, of mistakes of crazy cults. I

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Speaker 2: guess you could call them like the Shakers. They're a

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Speaker 2: If you go out to the Whitewater Shaker Community Cemetery.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna find out first of all, that it's not

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Speaker 1: A celibate community, Peter. This is how cults die. This

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Speaker 1: is this is how the world may die. With the

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Speaker 1: the world. You know, we went from this hysteria. We're

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Speaker 1: over populated. There's no way that the earth can feed

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Speaker 1: But anyway, I digress, so very good point.

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Speaker 2: So celibacy is the cult a sac for this. So

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Speaker 2: the cemetery is not well populated. It's a lot of

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Speaker 2: says this is dedicated to the Shaker community, a community

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Speaker 1: Now who knew that? Who knew that? I did not know?

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Speaker 2: And so that story I heard about this suicide of

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Speaker 2: has mystery of what were these young men doing in

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Speaker 2: the Shaker community who were allowed to come in from Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: In this case, the guy was a drunk, a total

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Speaker 2: very sad story, but fascinating. And so that's one of

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Speaker 2: the stories. But yeah, the book is a magical history tour, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: And in it also I will include ten places that

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Speaker 2: show them and explain Cincinnati history, what really happened here

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Speaker 2: and the importance of it.

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Speaker 1: You've you've lived in Cincinnati a little bit right around

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Speaker 1: the culture and history of this town. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that if you had, for example, remained

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Speaker 2: I took it all for granted and I didn't really

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Speaker 1: There was a lot of people probably take Cincinnati history

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Speaker 2: So you might be living in Arizona for ten or

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Speaker 2: eleven years as I would, as I did, and yet

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Speaker 2: I didn't go to the Grand Canyon. Well, people that

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Speaker 2: it's like that's just the way it is. Whereas when

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Speaker 2: the wild West and all the things that happened out there.

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Speaker 2: Very exciting history. But when I came to Cincinnati, I

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Speaker 2: find it's even richer because it goes back so much farther,

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Speaker 2: and it goes back to the seventeen hundred, the late

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Speaker 1: Do you find that in your research there are ample

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Speaker 1: people to talk to that do know these things, so

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Speaker 1: you can call this information out into a book. I mean,

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Speaker 1: where do you find sources?

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Speaker 1: This is it's like the golden age of historical research.

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Speaker 2: Can find things that used to take me weeks in

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Speaker 1: Be careful. Dave Patter has warned me that AI hallucinates.

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Speaker 2: So do you want to I don't let me say

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Speaker 2: right up front, I do not use AI in any

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Speaker 1: This is Jim and Pete. Of course, not do you

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Speaker 1: So if you're listening to this so difficult. If you're

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Speaker 1: And maybe the thought is we have eight million people,

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Speaker 1: Christ in my faith, the more I realize that many

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Speaker 1: of these things ultimately don't matter that much to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if that's selfish or if I

439
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Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean, it's the things that are going

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Speaker 1: on right now in our country and in the world

441
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Speaker 1: are terrible. They are, you know, it's a healthscape in

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Speaker 1: many places well people.

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Speaker 2: We also have a media though, that is set up

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Speaker 2: to absolutely sensationalize and to incite anxiety, fear, right, to

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Speaker 2: emphasize everything that it's it's at its most insane, and

446
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Speaker 2: so that gives you the impression if you consume too

447
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Speaker 2: much of this cable news and broadcast.

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Speaker 1: Media, absolutely become obsessed with it.

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Speaker 2: It gives you that constant feeling of anxiety that the

450
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Speaker 2: world is falling apart, and that I mean, I'm not

451
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Speaker 2: saying these things aren't happening and they're great concern. All

452
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Speaker 2: I'm saying is that their business model now is to

453
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Speaker 2: keep you in a constant state of anxiety, so you

454
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Speaker 2: feel like you have to tune in and stay on.

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Speaker 1: Top of this.

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Speaker 2: And it's really sad because that's really not what the

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Speaker 2: media is for. That's not what I believed in when

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Speaker 2: I became a newspaperman. It's not what I tried to

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Speaker 2: do in my career in newspapers. I didn't set out

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Speaker 2: to make people afraid or to give them the absolute worst, sensationalized,

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Speaker 2: darkest view of reality, which is what we see now.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not like tabloid journalism is new though, No,

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Speaker 1: It's always been around, but it was always kind of

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Speaker 1: an outlier. It was always the national inquirer. It was

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Speaker 1: you know, on the fringes, the fringe, for sure, that

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Speaker 1: was the goofy kid. It wasn't the mainstay of reporting. Yes,

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Speaker 1: today reporting has been replaced in so many cases in

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Speaker 1: the news with commentating, with pure agitation and slants just too,

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Speaker 1: as you said, generate anxiety.

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Speaker 2: And both sides, the right does it in their in

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Speaker 2: their demographic, and the left does it in their demographic.

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Speaker 2: That's why we can't have any common ground of facts,

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Speaker 2: because they won't allow those.

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Speaker 1: To this show to touch this show. People know this

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Speaker 1: show is an opinion show in many cases, right, and

476
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Speaker 1: there's information, but it's largely opinion. And like you and

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Speaker 1: I are giving our opinion right now exactly on the

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Speaker 1: topics of the day. But don't call I don't call

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Speaker 1: this a news report necessarily, No, it's not supposed to

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Speaker 1: be that we discussed the news, but we don't. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we do the news up front, right out in front.

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Speaker 1: But the newscasts, uh, all across the board on radio,

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Speaker 1: on TV have become and it's I swear it's it's

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Speaker 1: specifically in the age of Trump. It's just been exacerbated,

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Speaker 1: it has, it's been increased just tremendously, but it's become

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Speaker 1: this agenda driven, half truth kind of opinion in so

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Speaker 1: called news headlines, and it's just it's unfair and it's

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Speaker 1: not right. Well, it's been happening for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Gary, Jeff, I watched it increasing all the way up

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Speaker 2: in the in the year's bt before Trump, and it

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Speaker 2: was getting worse and worse.

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Speaker 1: It got to the point where we had and I.

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Speaker 2: Was the editor of the opinion section, but we had

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Speaker 2: as much opinion in the newspages as we had in

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Speaker 2: our opinion section. And if you look at newspapers now,

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Speaker 2: a lot of them have totally abandoned their opinion sections

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Speaker 2: because they're doing it in the news columns. There's no

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Speaker 2: longer a wall there, there's no longer a Berlin wall

499
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Speaker 2: that says, hey, you guys, stay honest and just report

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Speaker 2: the fact, we'll go ahead and spin it or try

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Speaker 2: to give opinions to the.

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Speaker 1: Inquir's opinion editor recently departs, and they don't have one

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Honestly, I don't know. I don't stay

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Speaker 2: in touch with the Inquirer anymore. I check in online

506
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Speaker 2: from time to time, but now and then some of

507
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Speaker 2: the stories just make me so disgusted.

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Speaker 1: I just say, all I really look at is sports.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Bengals and the Reds, and there's not

510
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Speaker 2: much reason to look at that.

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Speaker 1: There's a guy named glennam Harmyer and he writes these

512
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Speaker 1: constant letters to the editor to the Inquirer. Oh really

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Speaker 1: that plish them never get published, No, of course not.

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Speaker 1: They took away the comments. Why did they take away

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Speaker 1: the comments?

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Speaker 2: Because basically what they've done it's like what we said

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Speaker 2: about the Blue Cities.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they keep.

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Speaker 2: Singing to the choir, and singing to the choir, their

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Speaker 2: lefty audience and their audience, their subscriber based shrank down

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Speaker 2: to a little tidepool of only leftists. And if the

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Speaker 2: conservative person went into the comments, they would almost be

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Speaker 2: eaten alive.

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Speaker 1: And the boy attack. My choir is now three people

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Speaker 1: who are toned, deaf and out of tune.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean some of the stories are just

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Speaker 2: that they make me. I just shake my head.

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Speaker 1: Where is the editor that allowed that? All right, so

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Speaker 1: let's reserve. I talked about things that I'm not concerned about.

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Speaker 1: Here's another one. But it turns out you're more concerned

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Speaker 1: than the last couple of minutes of our conversation. How

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Speaker 1: sad it is it to watch and it's not just

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Speaker 1: the lack of Joe Burrow to watch this collapse by

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Speaker 1: the Bengals. I wanted to get Peter Bronson's take on

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Speaker 1: sports real quickly.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm no sports reporter by any stretch of the imagination.

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Speaker 1: The toy department as they used to do, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I've always been a defender and an admirer of

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Speaker 2: Mike Brown. I think that he's maligned a lot more

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Speaker 2: than is appropriate. Uh, And again, everybody always likes to

541
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Speaker 2: revert it's the ownership, it's the ownership. Well, look, they've

542
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Speaker 2: they've put out the money. They've put out the money

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Speaker 2: for what the team said they wanted, and and apparently

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Speaker 2: nobody can figure out that if you get you can't

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Speaker 2: protect a multi billion dollar franchise quarterback if the offensive

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Speaker 2: line can't block, I mean, how that is?

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Speaker 1: What is with the coaches? I mean I got to

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Speaker 1: ask what is with the coaches? You know, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of people saying, you can't fire Zach Taylor because

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Speaker 1: you know, the quarterbacks out the you know, the the

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback's gone. So it's not Zach Taylor's fold. The

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Speaker 1: play calling has been atrocious for the last couple of years. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals did not make question Bingles did not make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs with a record setting sack leader and Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow having possibly the best season in NFL history by

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Speaker 1: any quarterback in any era, and the Bengals still did

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Speaker 1: not make the playoffs. And and don't forget you, mar Chase. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you've got the number one run believable season five. So

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Speaker 1: it's not it's not a lack of talent or players.

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Speaker 1: It's a lack of talent somewhere else. Well, and the draft.

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Speaker 2: Picks they're making, the trades they're making, somebody's.

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Speaker 1: Just look no closer than on the sidelines and in

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Speaker 1: the front office.

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Speaker 2: Well, I agree, it's it's sad, but it kind of

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Speaker 2: we're going back we're falling back now to that place

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Speaker 2: where we brag about excelling at mediocrity.

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Speaker 1: Jeez, Peter, thank you so much for your time tonight.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. It's great, great to see you again.

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Speaker 1: It's great to have you back, and it's great to

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Speaker 1: know that there's a new book in the in the

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Speaker 1: pipeline here. Magic History Tour is the name of it.

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Speaker 1: That rings a bell? Right, Magical History Tour. A little

573
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Speaker 1: bit as the former host of Breakfast with the Beatles, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: it brings major bells.

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Speaker 2: He's coming from all right, all right, thanks very jeth

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Speaker 2: all right, have a great one, fantastic and there's more

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Speaker 2: nightcap just ahead in moments on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 4: Listening to a man standing in the park is in funny.

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Speaker 4: Listening to a man standing in the park getting hit

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Speaker 4: in the groin with a frisbee oach my groin is funny.

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Speaker 4: Eddie and Rocky are also funny. So when you think

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Speaker 4: of getting hit in the groin, oach my groin, think

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Speaker 4: of Eddie and Rocky, Eddie and Rocky.

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Speaker 1: More afternoon at three what seven hundred WLW is the

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Speaker 1: nightcap on seven hundred w l W Arry jump into

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Speaker 1: the new fall season and tonight a first time guest

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Speaker 1: and something that I've been looking forward to a great

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Speaker 1: deal because this story seems to me to be so

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Speaker 1: compelling and while we don't have I guess full disclosure

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Speaker 1: that we'd hope for during the Trump administration on the

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Speaker 1: Epstein diaries and the list and the names, we know

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Speaker 1: who some of the victims were of Jeffrey Epstein and

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Speaker 1: his ring really of not only human sex traffickers, but

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Speaker 1: something even darker as you go deeper into the story

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Speaker 1: that was being told by a woman named Juliet Bryant,

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Speaker 1: and this revolves around a trip to Cape Horn, South Africa,

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Speaker 1: about twenty three years ago, when Jeffrey Epstein arrived there

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Speaker 1: with Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey, and Chris Tucker along for

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Speaker 1: the ride. We have those names, and that very same night,

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Speaker 1: a twenty year old named Juliet Bryant lured into what

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Speaker 1: we come one of the most harrowing and revealing chapters

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Speaker 1: in the Epstein saga for the first time, her story

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Speaker 1: being told in her own words through the diary she

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Speaker 1: capped at the height of her captivity. And that book

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Speaker 1: is and we have the author here who has done

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Speaker 1: the research and used Juliette Bryant's words so incredibly well

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Speaker 1: to tell the story. The book is called Blue Butterfly.

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Speaker 1: Inside the Diary of an Epstein Survivor, author Sarah McCarthy

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Speaker 1: joins us, Hello, Sarah, good evening. How are you.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing very well? Thank you, Gary. How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great? And like I said, I really wanted

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Speaker 1: to hear at least a tidbit of the story. Of course,

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Speaker 1: I haven't read the book yet, but I guess it's

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Speaker 1: it's on the way to being available everywhere. Is that

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Speaker 1: true for.

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Speaker 5: Me in the United States and Canada? For Noal?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I have a how did did you come

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Speaker 1: to know Juliet Bryant and the story?

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Speaker 5: Julia has been a good friend of mine for over

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Speaker 5: fifteen years, but she actually endured her abuse in silence

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Speaker 5: for almost two decades. It was only after Epstein was

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Speaker 5: arrested that she came up with a story and said

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Speaker 5: that she had been abused by him. Basically, her name

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Speaker 5: was on the flight logs and the press started to

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Speaker 5: get hold of her. She hadn't even told her own mother,

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Speaker 5: So yeah, she came up with a story and when

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Speaker 5: she told me, which was twenty nineteen. I then met

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Speaker 5: with her Faith to Faith in Cape Town in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty and she gave me the darker side of the

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Speaker 5: story that went beyond sexual abuse. And when she told

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Speaker 5: me that, I said to her pitness, we have to

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Speaker 5: write a book, and she said, yes, I would like

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Speaker 5: to do that.

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Speaker 1: Finally, breaking her silence, I said, born earlier, I meant

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Speaker 1: Cape Town. So between two thousand and two and two

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Speaker 1: thousand and four, my goodness, almost almost two years. Your

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Speaker 1: friend Juliette was trafficked across continents and was was a

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Speaker 1: main attraction at Epstein's multiple residences. And Blue Butterfly describes

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Speaker 1: a trip in it to Epstein's Zorro Ranch in New

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Speaker 1: Mexico where Juliet kind of describe what Juliet describes in

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Speaker 1: her diary about that last trip to Epstein's ranch in

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Speaker 1: New Mexico and what he woke up to.

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Speaker 5: Yes, well, on that trip, which was June two thousand

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Speaker 5: and two, that was the only time he took her

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Speaker 5: to Borrow Ranch, a huge Titanic compound in New Mexico,

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Speaker 5: And on that trip she has a terrifying flashback of

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Speaker 5: wreaking up naked in the laboratories while our female doctor

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Speaker 5: was operating on her abdominence withouter knowledge and with outer consent.

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Speaker 5: She can describe that flashback in visit detail, so it

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Speaker 5: wasn't a dream. There were other things that happened on

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Speaker 5: that trip. Firsonally, that was the only trip that Eptin

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00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 5: didn't sexually abuse her. He took her into a small

653
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 5: room and gave her something that she described as a

654
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 5: pelvic exam, which was a more medical in nature. Then

655
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 5: she has this terrifying flashback of wreaking up in the laboratories.

656
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 5: And furthermore, when she returned to South Africa, she had

657
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 5: a small star, a little round circulars guard a couple

658
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 5: of inches above the pepper. That was weird and eclaimed

659
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 5: after that trip. So all of that this shows that

660
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 5: there's a possibility that Epstein was committing medical times unauthorized

661
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 5: medical procedures on the book. So that is why Juliet

662
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 5: story actually turns the whole Exton story on its head.

663
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 5: It's not about sex trafficking, it's about medical experimentation. Juliet

664
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 5: was never traffied to any other men, and she never

665
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 5: saw any other woman being trafficked to any other men either.

666
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 5: For the all this was corroborated by Attorney Brad Edwards,

667
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 5: who said, in the small fraction of the woman was

668
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 5: being traffic and that was not his main business.

669
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Speaker 1: So what happened, say, when Juliet met Bill Clinton, the

670
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: former President of the United States, who was pals with

671
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein.

672
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 5: Yes, well she met him on the first night that

673
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 5: she met Epstein. So that could have been the twenty

674
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Speaker 5: sixth of September two thousand and two. And we know

675
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 5: this from the flight Looves because that's the day that

676
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 5: they blew into Caton. That was the night she was recruited.

677
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 5: She was about having a drink with a friend and

678
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 5: a very beautiful American mind came up to her and said,

679
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 5: I'm here with it very well to the American billionaire.

680
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 5: He has connections to Victoria Secret and he can launch

681
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 5: her modeling career internationally. So this sounded like a dream

682
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 5: country for her. So she went along to a restaurant

683
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 5: called Belisa in Cape Town where Epstein was having dinner

684
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 5: and they were midnil when she walked in, but yet

685
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 5: everybody stood up and they shook their hands. When she

686
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 5: met Phil Clinton. She said that He made her feel

687
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 5: quite uncomfortable because he held onto her hand for a

688
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 5: long time while he was looking and or speaking to

689
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Speaker 5: somebody else at the table.

690
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Speaker 1: Did she meet any other celebrities while she was being trafficked?

691
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 5: Yes, well obviously with Kevin Spacey and trip Tacker was there.

692
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 5: She said Kevin Stacey wasn't particularly friendly or interested. She

693
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 5: didn't have much interaction with trip Tacker, but she met

694
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 5: scientists she met on the trip to Sarah Ranch. She

695
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 5: was also taken to meet the former governor of New

696
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 5: Mexico who was for Richardson. That was also an unusual

697
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 5: encounter because they looked her and another survivor up and

698
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 5: down and then went into a room had a meeting

699
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 5: of Epstein and then they left, And she wasn't She

700
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 5: didn't understand the reason for her being there.

701
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: What was there? What about Donald Trump's involvement? Does she

702
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: detail any of that?

703
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, she never met him. When she was on West

704
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 5: Farm Beach, Palm Beach, they drove past Marie Lago and

705
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 5: apparently Epstein said to her, or that's where my good Trump,

706
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 5: my good friend Trump lived, But she never she never

707
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 5: met him personally.

708
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 1: All right? Did she did? She tell you about anything

709
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: else about Jeffrey Epstein that no one to this point

710
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: has revealed. And I'll accept the PG answer.

711
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 5: Yes she did. She said a couple of things. You know,

712
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 5: there was lots of anecdotal things about him, saying he

713
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 5: liked to name rock and he said that Michael Jackson

714
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 5: once called him because he was interested in moving to

715
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 5: Palm Beach, and when he heard Michael Jackson's cadence on

716
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 5: the telephone, he thought that it was a joke. But

717
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 5: actually another survivor also mentions Michael Jackson's name, but I

718
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 5: don't think he was involved in anything nefarious. She gave

719
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 5: me another anecdote that Exstine told her that when he

720
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 5: was younger, he used to he did both as the

721
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 5: text tactic driver, I did find other corroboration evidence of this,

722
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 5: but not the fact that he said he used to

723
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 5: give the pre rise in exchange for sexual favors. And

724
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 5: as the pug's answer, all.

725
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Speaker 1: Right, Giseleine Maxwell Maxwell obviously in prison and has not

726
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: opened up the way many people thought that she would.

727
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe she likes staying alive. I don't know, But

728
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: what did she mention Jeffrey Epstein's sidekick Guselaine maxim Maxwell.

729
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 3: She did.

730
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 5: She obviously had a lot of interaction with Maxwell. She

731
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 5: said she was very scary. She ran the properties, very smart,

732
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 5: very accomplished, and very scary. She ran the properties. The

733
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 5: staff were very nervous of her. I think they had

734
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 5: sort of a manifest that they had to follow certain rules.

735
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 5: They can't you speak to them unless spoken to that

736
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 5: sort of thing. I said, was Maxwell ever kind to you?

737
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 5: And she said once she stuck up for Juliet because

738
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 5: Julia used to smoke. Epstein hated the habits, used to

739
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 5: tell her that her hands stunk and she used to

740
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 5: have to go and wash her hands before she came

741
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 5: near him. And once Gilaine stuck up for her and

742
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 5: said that after her father died, she used to make

743
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 5: a packet of cigarettes or whatever a day.

744
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: So that kind of gives you an insight too, into

745
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: what daily life was like on Epstein Island. You said,

746
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: Justlaine Maxwell was running the properties and the like, Well

747
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: what did she What did she tell you about the

748
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: day to day?

749
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 5: Well, she gave me some interesting insights into living on

750
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 5: the island. She said, it was the most suitable case

751
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 5: that you've seen that she could never relax. They were

752
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 5: always survailed. The girls couldn't just go off on their own.

753
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 5: They couldn't just walk off the front law and explore

754
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 5: the city. There's always someone watching them, and they always

755
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 5: had to be on Exstein's second call for when he

756
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 5: wanted them for obvious reasons. She did say that aside

757
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 5: from that, she bounced on the chance trampoline that was

758
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 5: in the sea. I found corroborating reports from Virginia. The

759
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 5: three she walked around the island, she took she discovered

760
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 5: some photographs and cameras, disposable cameras, so she used to

761
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 5: walk around the island taking photographs. So she actually has

762
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 5: this photographic evidence of her on the island and in Paris, etc.

763
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 5: So unlike as a survivor, she's also got her passports

764
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 5: from the time. And because she was South African, she

765
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 5: flew in an art of South Africa, and she's got

766
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 5: all the gates and going in the art of the

767
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:29,959
Speaker 5: United States.

768
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: Did she ever try did she ever try and escape?

769
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 5: Well, this is interesting and it ties back into the

770
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 5: whole eugenic side of things, which hasn't really touched on much.

771
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 5: But also it's very real possibility that Epstein was using

772
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 5: some type of mind control techniques on the girl. Juliet

773
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 5: said when she came back from that last trip to

774
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 5: Borrow Ranch, her mental state was not the same. She

775
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 5: completely collapsed, She had severe panic attacks. She had to

776
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 5: be hospitalized up to ten times. Nobody knew what was

777
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 5: wrong with her, and she honestly believed that they performed

778
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 5: some type of mind control procedures on the girls to

779
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 5: absolutely render them uncredible witnesses and unable to do anything

780
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 5: those to their authorities. All right, I have to explore

781
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 5: that in Blue Butterfly.

782
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: We're talking with Sarah McCarthy, author of Blue Butterfly, based

783
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: on the diary of Juliet Bryant, who basically was sex

784
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: trafficked and experimented on, she believes by Jeffrey Epstein and

785
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: his cohorts over a two year period and nearly two

786
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: year period the eugenics angle real quickly, Sarah, This to

787
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: me is really at the crux of how creepy the

788
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: whole Epstein for and not that the rest isn't creepy

789
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: at all it out to begin with, okay, but the

790
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 1: fact of doing experimentation and what does she say specifically

791
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: outside of that flashback she had about that, well.

792
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 5: She believed, yeah, she believed that her eggs are being

793
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 5: harvested during that procedure. And it's you know, when you

794
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 5: look at what Epstein said himself. In the early two thousands,

795
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 5: he started telling associates that he wanted to feed the

796
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 5: human race with his DNA, and specifically he wanted to

797
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 5: impregnate up to twenty women at a time at Sorrow Ranch.

798
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 5: He spoke about this with his associates, with the psychologist

799
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 5: and computer scientist Roger Shank. He said he aspired to

800
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 5: father lots of children of different women, and this was

801
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 5: would have taken place in around two thousand and three,

802
00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 5: the year before Juliet was traffic to New Mexico. This

803
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 5: was reported on by The New York Times in twenty

804
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 5: and eleven. The Guardian also said that Epstein was inspired

805
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 5: by Robert K. Brian's repository for German or choice. This

806
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 5: program started in the nineteen eighties. Graham was a eugenicist

807
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 5: who announced that he wanted to start a sperm bank

808
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 5: that was stopped by Nobel Laureates when that closed down

809
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety. I believe that instead of the sperm

810
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 5: being incinerated. It could have very easily just been transferred

811
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 5: across to Borrow Ranch, because in nineteen ninety nine, that

812
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 5: is when Epstein started expanding his facilities at Sorrow Ranch.

813
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 5: So yeah, when you look at all of that, that

814
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 5: corroborates what she believes happened.

815
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: All right, three quick ones here as we close this out, Sarah,

816
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: And these are personal opinion things, but I just want

817
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: to get your take. Do you think that Jeffrey Epstein

818
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: committed suicide? Did he kill himself?

819
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 5: No? No, yes, I think he's still alive.

820
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: Oh you think he's still alive. Do you think that

821
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: Epstein has links to intelligence agencies or had?

822
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 4: Yes?

823
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 5: I was fortunate enough to speak directed with Aridon Minashi.

824
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 5: He gave an exclusive information for me butterflies, and he

825
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 5: worked directly with Joy Roberts, Maxwell and Epstein.

826
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: All right, and uh, yes, Well how did how did

827
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: Epstein make his money? Was he really just a financier

828
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: who was very adept and had great acumen at that?

829
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: Or I mean, how is he How is he financing

830
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 1: all of this?

831
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 4: No?

832
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 5: I don't think so, because I've got friends who work

833
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 5: in finance and they're working all day. He was busy

834
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 5: actually abusing aduls all day, so no, he couldn't has

835
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 5: been following the market. Thomas roll Show goes into this

836
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 5: and looks at an intricate web of financial activity around

837
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 5: how he kept getting he got funds to buy islands, etcetera.

838
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 5: It all sends back to the fact that Epstein had

839
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 5: power of attorney over Illiana Lesley Xner's trust, so they

840
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 5: would there was a pattern though, they would sounds of

841
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 5: stock and that money would then be used at Steiner

842
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 5: to have the ability to then, say by a private

843
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 5: island or an aeroplane, etcetera. He also got a lot

844
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 5: of these assets from Leslie Rexner, namely the New York

845
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 5: mansion for free all right.

846
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: Sarah McCarthy, the author of Blue Butterfly, based on Juliet

847
00:50:52,200 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: Bryant's diary, which suggests that there was a global sick agenda.

848
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: To Jeffrey Epstein went far beyond sex trafficking and abuse,

849
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: but eugenics and all kinds of experimentation. I mean, this

850
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: is just madman's scientist kind of stuff. And you know,

851
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: maybe that was what was really going on. The sex

852
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: was just it was just a side note. Maybe I

853
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: don't know. I can't get inside the mind of somebody

854
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: that's sick, and I hope I never can. Sarah, thank

855
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: you so much. Great success with the book Blue Butterfly.

856
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: Look for it and is it out now or will

857
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 1: it be out soon?

858
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 4: Is?

859
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,959
Speaker 5: It is available for pre sale at trinday dot com

860
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Speaker 5: TRN and also available on Amazon at body in bookstores,

861
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Speaker 5: as well as Bound and Noble once it's released.

862
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: So please look out for this all right, thank you

863
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,560
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Speaker 1: and I know I'm not going to be fed a

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Speaker 1: bunch of well false facts and bad data when I

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Speaker 1: talk to this man. He's written several books on climatism

871
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Speaker 1: and he happens to be the man at the Climate

872
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Speaker 1: Science Coalition. My friend and yours, Steve Gorham joins us

873
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: on this night Cap in the new fall season. Good evening, Steve,

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00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 1: How are.

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Speaker 6: You, hey, Gary?

876
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:36,479
Speaker 7: Jeff?

877
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Speaker 6: Great to join you again.

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00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you may have read I know you've heard us

879
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: talk about green breakdown, which is the coming renewable energy

880
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: failure outside the green box, and of course the mad,

881
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: mad mad world of climatism starring polar bears and all

882
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: kinds of stars from the fifties and sixties. No, so

883
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: Steve last week, and I was I hate to tell

884
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Speaker 1: Reds fans this, but I was kind of hoping that

885
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: they wouldn't make the wild card because it pushed us

886
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: off the air last week, last Tuesday, when we were

887
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: going to talk about the ending of the EV tax

888
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: breaks for you purchasing an electric vehicle and the government

889
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: subsidizing you for doing it, and that is over now, correct,

890
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: at least for the time it is.

891
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, the one big beautiful bill passed this summer ended

892
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 8: the EV tax credits. And what was in place before

893
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 8: was a seventy five dollars tax credit to the purchaser

894
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 8: of a new electric vehicle and also you could resell

895
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Speaker 8: them to other people for some amount up to four

896
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 8: thousand dollars. That ended September thirtieth. And you know, EV's

897
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 8: they're they're doing well in China and Europe is kind

898
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 8: of mixed, but they're flat in the US.

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Speaker 1: We've had.

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Speaker 8: The share of EV sales new light car sales was

901
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 8: about seven percent last uh, November, December, January. Then it

902
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Speaker 8: dropped to about six percent in the summer, and then

903
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 8: we had a little surge here in the last month

904
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Speaker 8: or two because the credit was ending.

905
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Speaker 1: But it's probably going.

906
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 8: To go down to probably six percent or less of

907
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 8: evs of small vehicle sales in the next few months.

908
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 6: Which isn't real good.

909
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 8: You know, it's not not replacing all the internal bustion

910
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 8: engine cars as a lot of people are predicting. So

911
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 8: EV's are going to get better, but uh, they're not

912
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 8: going to take over the world here, at least in

913
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Speaker 8: the US in the short term.

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Speaker 1: All right. Uh, and listen, I've always said, you've always

915
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: said you want to drive an EV, that's your business.

916
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: But the government shouldn't mandate that you drive an EV

917
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: or you shouldn't get these wild tax breaks because you

918
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: purchase one. I mean, that's that's some that's some on

919
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: the scale at at the max right there. And I

920
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: know this is not a it really isn't a political

921
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: discussion the ones we have about climate, although people try

922
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: and make them political discussions and use climate as a

923
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: political football, Steve, But I'm surprised that part of the

924
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: reason the Democrats have shut down the government is because

925
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Speaker 1: they want that put back in that was passed in

926
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Speaker 1: the big beautiful bill back on July fourth, as they

927
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Speaker 1: want to put so many other things back in that

928
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Speaker 1: we're repealed with that piece of legislation, or.

929
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Speaker 8: The production tax credits in investment tax credits for winning

930
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 8: solar of thirty percent. We also got the situation where

931
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Speaker 8: vehicle chargers don't make money for anybody. Every company that

932
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 8: is producing vehicle chargers is losing money, but they're being subsidized. Know,

933
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Speaker 8: we got all these subsidies at state and federal levels

934
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 8: and utilities and everybody else to try and put chargers

935
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 8: out there. It's just not it's not a real good

936
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Speaker 8: business unless it's in subsidies. And so I think is

937
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Speaker 8: this it's going to be kind of stalled at least

938
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Speaker 8: for the next three years and the administration. We'll see

939
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 8: what happens after that.

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00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: I thought that half a billion in taxpayer dollars that

941
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: went to Soleindra during Obama was big, but I mean,

942
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: these things have just gotten out of control. Monsters on

943
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: the backs of American taxpayers. And not really helping the

944
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Speaker 1: environment at all. Recent US Department of Energy report has

945
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: stated that climate change may not be catastrophic. After all,

946
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: what do we know about this, Steve Yeah. This was.

947
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 8: Energy Secretary Chris Wright went and selected for scientists and

948
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Speaker 8: a good economist. These are skeptic scientists John Christy, Judith Curry,

949
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 8: Ross McKittrick, and Roy Spencer. Roy Spencer's an advisor of mine,

950
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Speaker 8: and also Stephen Coonan an economist, and they wrote a

951
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 8: report called a Critical Review of the Impacts of greenhouse

952
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 8: gas emissions on the US Climate.

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Speaker 6: They had really only one condition.

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00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 8: For Secretary, right, they said, you know, you can't tell

955
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 8: us what to write, and you can interfere.

956
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 6: In any way with what we're writing.

957
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 8: And so they wrote this report and it's very scientifically

958
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 8: based and it basically says that the climate models are

959
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:14,240
Speaker 8: have been exaggerating things.

960
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 6: We're not seeing.

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00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 8: Dangerous climate situations even though CO two is going up.

962
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 8: We're not seeing more hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and droughts. And

963
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 8: they concluded that quote, the CO two induced warming might

964
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 8: be less damaging economically than commonly believed, and excessively aggressive

965
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 8: mitigation policies could prove more detrimental than beneficial, which you know,

966
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Speaker 8: you and I have talked about for quite a while

967
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 8: on this. And so they wrote this report and it's

968
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 8: been attacked all over the place, challenged in court already.

969
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 8: This is by the Environmental Defense Fund and the Union

970
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 8: of Concern, Union of Concerned Scientists, a couple climate groups

971
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 8: and environmental groups, and so they've attacked it as being

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00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 8: secret group that wrote this report.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't a secret.

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Speaker 8: I mean it took a month I wrote this and

975
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 8: they published it. So but you know they're going to

976
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 8: attack this right at laughter, That's what's been going on.

977
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 8: But these these folks are right. The climatists are wrong.

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00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 8: Climate is dominated by nature, not man made emissions.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. The ep administrator, Lee Zelden, has gone a long

980
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: way to try and correct these these omissions of real

981
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: science and the bad data at the EPA. He announced

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00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: he'd be repealing the two thousand and nine endangerment finding

983
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: on greenhouse gases for the listener if they if they're

984
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: not sure what the two thousand and nine endangerment findings

985
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: are on greenhouse gases, can you tell us that first

986
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: and then tell us about the impact of mister Zelden

987
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: doing that from the EPA.

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00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, December seven, two thousand and nine, a date that

989
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 8: will live an infamy, not hor but because during the

990
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 8: Obama administration, the EPA ruled that carbonoxide and other greenhouse

991
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 8: gases were endangering public health and welfare. It's called the

992
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 8: endangement finding. It's basically the basis for calling carbon dioxide

993
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 8: a pollutant and the basis for all kinds of laws

994
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 8: to try and roll back power plant emissions and other things. Now,

995
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 8: the EPA gets their power from the Clean Air Acts

996
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 8: of nineteen seventies and in the nineteen eighties. EPA is

997
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 8: the regulator of pollution across the country. But there was

998
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 8: nothing in the Clean Air Act that talked about greenhouse

999
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 8: gases or carbon dioxide. And so I think what the

1000
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 8: Administrator Zelden is going to argue is that the EPA

1001
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 8: overstepped their bounds in two thousand and nine and that

1002
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 8: if Congress wants this, they need to specifically vote this in.

1003
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 8: And this is going to go all the way to

1004
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 8: Supreme Court. This is they're setting up a rule making

1005
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 8: and people are going to comment, but this is going

1006
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 8: to challenge. It's going to take a couple of years,

1007
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 8: but it really is a big, big change, and we

1008
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 8: shouldn't be calling carbon dioxide a pollutant. That that's this

1009
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 8: foolish stuff.

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01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, how did that ever become the boogeyman

1011
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: in all of this? Because we know that carbon is

1012
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: one of the basic building blocks for life on Earth,

1013
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: and carbon dioxide is necessary for plants to grow, for

1014
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: the greening of the earth, for the production of crops,

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01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: for the for the health of the oceans. We know

1016
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: that CO two is necessary, and we're still we're still

1017
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: comparatively to other times in Earth's history, at minuscule levels

1018
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: in our atmosphere of CO two. It's not the dominant

1019
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: molecule or gas that's in our atmosphere, even with all

1020
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: the man made emissions. How did CO two ever become

1021
01:00:59,080 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: the bad guy here?

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01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 8: Well, it was a computer modelers that noted that carbonoxide

1023
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 8: was rising in our atmosphere and they said this is

1024
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 8: enhancing the greenhouse effect and causing our temperatures to rise.

1025
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 8: Doctor James Hanson and another of course, former Vice President Al.

1026
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 6: Gore promoted this in a big way.

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01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 8: But you're right when I present the groups, I say

1028
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 8: CO two is green, makes the plants grow. It's one

1029
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 8: of the three substances on Earth, along with water and oxygen.

1030
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 8: That's the center for life. We each breathe out We

1031
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 8: burn sugars in our bodies produce carbonoxide. So everybody on

1032
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 8: Earth exhales about two pounds a day of CO two,

1033
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 8: which shouldn't.

1034
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 6: Be called a pollutant.

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01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 8: So anyway, mister s Elton's going to try and roll

1036
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 8: this back. We'll see what happens. This will be a

1037
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 8: huge fight, but I think eventually they're going to argue

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01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 8: on legal grounds, which is what the Supreme Court talks about,

1039
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 8: and say that the EK overstepped its bounds and Congress

1040
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 8: is going to have to vote this, which they would

1041
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 8: never do if they want to keep this endangerment finding

1042
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 8: in place.

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01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, you know, trees breathe CO two, soda,

1044
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: plants yep, the ocean requires it.

1045
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 8: Well, they breathe oxygen. You're right, they breathe in CO two.

1046
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 3: Yes, for.

1047
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 8: Us philosynthesis and exhale oxygen.

1048
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: They breathe out oxygen for us, and we give them

1049
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: CO two for them. It sounds like a perfectly symbiotic

1050
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:31,400
Speaker 1: relationship to me, Steve, for life on Earth, European leaders

1051
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 1: announced plans this year to invest hundreds of billions of

1052
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: dollars or euros in AI to try and catch up

1053
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: to the United States and China. In a recent article

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01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: that you did, you point out that these announcements conflict

1055
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: with European net zero energy policies, And I think the

1056
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: last time we talked, we talked a little bit about this.

1057
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: But if they need, if they need all that energy

1058
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: for AI, there's no way mathematically they can make their

1059
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: net zero goals. Correct.

1060
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think that's the case. They've all announced this

1061
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 8: year that they're going to go pursue AI. French President

1062
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 8: Emmanuel Macron said he's going to provide more than one

1063
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 8: hundred billion euros to boost artificial intelligence. But I don't

1064
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 8: think he realizes how big this is. The Meta Data

1065
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 8: Center in northern Louisiana, when it's completed by twenty thirty,

1066
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 8: is going to use two thirds of all the electricity

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01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 8: that Paris uses, and when it's expanded, it's going to

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01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 8: use as much as Paris. So we're talking some big,

1069
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 8: big numbers. And in France, the per person electricity has

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01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 8: been declining since two thousand and five. It's found about

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01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 8: sixteen percent, so every person in France, by the way,

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01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 8: they have a person called Marine Lapine of the opposition

1073
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 8: party announced he's going to install air conditioning across France.

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01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 8: They don't even have the air conditioning in many of

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01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 8: the buildings or their schools, so they've.

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01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 6: Been doing this net zero thing. In the way behind Germany.

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01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 8: The same thing. Chancellor Angelo Marco was closing nuclear plants,

1078
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 8: more than twenty of them. The new Chancellor, Frederick Mertz

1079
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 8: says he's going to provide subsidies for data centers, but

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01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 8: the per person power consumption in Germany's down nineteen percent

1081
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 8: since two thousand and five. And finally there's Prime Minister

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01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 8: Kars Starmer who's also pushing AI. But UK is on

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01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 8: the road to becoming a net zero society with a

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Speaker 8: zero electricity society. With net zero, the average person in

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Speaker 8: the United Kingdom consumes a third less electricity than they

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Speaker 8: did twenty years ago, so they're going to have to

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Speaker 8: change all this if they want to do AI, it's

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Speaker 8: just not going to work. We'll see what happens. But

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Speaker 8: you know, your listeners could should picture a huge title

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Speaker 8: wave washing over a little tiny sailboat and the title

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Speaker 8: waves the artificial intelligence revolution, and the sailboat is net zero.

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Speaker 8: It's just going to get washed away by all that's

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Speaker 8: going on.

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Speaker 1: Last week, Nvidia announced a one hundred billion dollar investment

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Speaker 1: in open AI, the artificial intelligence laboratory. I think you

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Speaker 1: were kind of referencing that what is going to be

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Speaker 1: the impact on US energy supply.

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Speaker 8: Well, this outfit, open AI that produced chat GPP, is

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Speaker 8: planning to invest something like five hundred billion dollars across

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Speaker 8: the world, half of it in the United States, and

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Speaker 8: they are in the process of building data centers in Texas,

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Speaker 8: in other US locations, in India, Norway, Abu Dhabi. And

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Speaker 8: when their stuff gets done, it's going to use more

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Speaker 8: power than the city of New York. I mean, it's

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Speaker 8: really really big stuff here, and so Nvidia is going

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Speaker 8: to sell them something like five to six million graphics

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Speaker 8: processing units is the plan, and these things cost about

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Speaker 8: thirty thousand dollars apiece. I mean, this is just really

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Speaker 8: really big business. And again it's another example of the

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Speaker 8: big guys in the world investing all this money to

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Speaker 8: do AI, and they're going to need power for all

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Speaker 8: this and the wind and solar can't do it. It's

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Speaker 8: just going to completely change the landscape.

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Speaker 1: Personally, Thank god we have the president we have and

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Speaker 1: not the one that was the other major party's choice,

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Speaker 1: because we all know how much Kamalaharas loved electric school buses. Recently,

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Speaker 1: an electric school bus fire in Canada. How did the

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Speaker 1: kids make out?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, this was fortunate. Actually, they stopped at an

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Speaker 8: intersection and the bus driver was noticing smoke coming out

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Speaker 8: of his vents. There were only five kids on the bus,

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Speaker 8: but he got them all off and then the thing

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Speaker 8: just kind of exploded. You should see the pictures of

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Speaker 8: this bus. It's just terrible and you can't put these out. Normally,

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Speaker 8: a driver can put out a fire in the engine

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Speaker 8: of a diesel bus he gets out of his fire extinguisher,

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Speaker 8: but you can't do that with these batteries. When they

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Speaker 8: catch fire, the whole thing goes up. So yeah, you know,

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Speaker 8: I warned my kids and say my grandkids shouldn't be

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Speaker 8: getting on school buses that are electric, and families shouldn't

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Speaker 8: be doing that. The risk is just very, very high.

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Speaker 8: But again this has been pushed and subsidized because of

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Speaker 8: the idea that we have to try and stop the

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Speaker 8: ocean from rising if we all drive electric vehicles, and

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Speaker 8: that just a modern superstition.

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Speaker 1: Green Breakdown, your latest book or your most recent book,

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Speaker 1: you predicted that the world is heading for a renewable

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Speaker 1: energy failure. How is the breakdown happening? Can it be

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Speaker 1: reversed by us going back to fossil fuels, which it

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Speaker 1: seems more and more of the world is realizing it's

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Speaker 1: got to forget this folly of wind turbines, windmills and

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Speaker 1: solar panels and get back to energy that actually works.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 8: And you know, we have a resurgence of nuclear small nuclear,

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Speaker 8: small modular reactors.

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Speaker 1: So we have more than two hundred.

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Speaker 8: Gas fired power plant that sort of being built in

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Speaker 8: the United States right now. Texas itself is planning to

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Speaker 8: build one hundred gas fire power plants. So what a

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Speaker 8: state like Illinois I testified for the Senate a few

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Speaker 8: weeks ago, is going to do what they do with

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Speaker 8: solar is going to have no effect on the overall picture.

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Speaker 8: But the world's going to get back to sensible, low cost,

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Speaker 8: reliable energy. By the way, the Green Breakdown has a

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Speaker 8: lot of great color sidebars. One of these, and these

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Speaker 8: are real headlines here's one from physics dot org. Feeding

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Speaker 8: cattle seaweed reduces their greenhouse gas emissions eighty two percent.

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Speaker 8: So we got a bunch of people out there that

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Speaker 8: want to feed our cattle seaweed to stop global warming.

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Speaker 8: But people got to get the book and it'll give

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Speaker 8: them the real story, the science and the economics, and

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Speaker 8: also a bunch of funny color sidebars.

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Speaker 1: As you mentioned, he just testified before the Senate a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. He speaks in front of groups

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Speaker 1: all year long defending.

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Speaker 6: The true and yeah, that was that was the Illinois Senate,

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Speaker 6: by the way.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, the US Senate would be well served to

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Speaker 1: have you testify and speak there as well. Steve. I

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Speaker 1: can't tell you how much I appreciate your time and

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Speaker 1: all of the energy you expel coming on my show

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Speaker 1: and dealing with me. But I really, really am so

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01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: glad that we have this connection to I and call

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Speaker 1: on you when I need somebody with some real information.

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Speaker 1: Steve Gorham, Executive director of the Climate Science Coalition, author

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Speaker 1: of The Green Breakdown, and so much more. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, sir. Thanks hearing Jeff, You betcha. It's the

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Speaker 1: nightcap in the new fall season, and we got plenty

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Speaker 1: more left. Hang on, Eddie here for loan proto. Are

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Speaker 1: you trapped in a high rate mortgage? Hey, look stop

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Speaker 1: right now at Loan Pronto, they are delivering the lowest

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Speaker 1: mort Well. W talking to Jim Reneci, businessman, entrepreneur, a

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Speaker 1: former congressman, and Kenna of course in Ohio for Senate governor,

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Speaker 1: was a gubernatorial candidate. Rather and he'll correct me if

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01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: I get all of his all of his different detailed

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Speaker 1: accomplishments and things that he's tried for wrong. But always

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Speaker 1: a delightful and lively discussion with mister Raeesi about the

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Speaker 1: issues of the day, especially politics in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: And that's where we begin tonight with the government shut

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Speaker 1: down and the pain felt by millions of Americans who

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Speaker 1: aren't government employees, of which you know, Jim, I got

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Speaker 1: to tell you, first and foremost, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: And secondly, secondarily, I made sure that I had plenty

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Speaker 1: of bottled water and toilet paper because I knew this

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Speaker 1: was going to happen, because I was so concerned about it.

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Speaker 1: But welcome to the show. How are you?

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great.

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Speaker 7: And hopefully your listeners aren't gathering up the water and

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Speaker 7: toilet paper just yet. But I can tell you you're

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Speaker 7: exactly right. C ours have become a norm in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 7: Shutdowns aren't as much as a norm, although I lived

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Speaker 7: through a couple of them when I was in Congress.

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Speaker 7: They seem to pop up here or there. They cost

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Speaker 7: the American people a tremendous amount of money, even though

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Speaker 7: the American people aren't aware of it, and it's one

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Speaker 7: of the reasons why shutting down is not the answer.

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Speaker 7: But it happens, and it's happened a couple of times

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Speaker 7: now and looks like it we're in the midst of

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Speaker 7: it again.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know Chuck Schumer, who is getting blamed by many,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think wrongly so for calling it to

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Speaker 1: Schumer shutdown because he couldn't rally troops in the Senate

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Speaker 1: the way he did for the big spending bill, the

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Speaker 1: big whatever build back in July. He acquiesced finally on that.

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Speaker 1: But Chuck Schumer is notorious for talking about how governments

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Speaker 1: up downs are so terrible and they're so they're so

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Speaker 1: anti democratic, and yet he is leading this one seemingly

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Speaker 1: on the Democrat side of the Senate. Is he not?

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Speaker 7: Well, he is, but you got to remember the only

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Speaker 7: people that lose the American people. But who wins is

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Speaker 7: who wins the messaging. And right now Schumer is winning

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Speaker 7: the messaging battle.

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Speaker 1: Oh do you think so? I don't think so. I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's winning the messaging battle at all. It

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Speaker 1: depends on who you listen to. But go ahead, explain

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Speaker 1: your reasoning.

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Speaker 7: Well, the only reason I say that is I've looked

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Speaker 7: at a tremendous amount of polls. I keep track of PBS, NPR, Taris, Poles,

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Speaker 7: Mourning Consult. I mean, all the polls right now are

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Speaker 7: showing thirty eight percent of US adults are blaming Republicans,

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Speaker 7: twenty seven twenty seven percent blaming Democrats, thirty one percent

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Speaker 7: blaming both parties. So right now, if you look at polling,

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Speaker 7: and I think that's the key Morning consult a poll

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Speaker 7: done September twenty sixth to twenty eight, forty five percent

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Speaker 7: of voters are blaming Republicans. So the messaging battle and

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Speaker 7: carry here's what you have to remember. Republicans are never

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Speaker 7: going to blame Republicans. Democrats are definitely going to blame Republicans,

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Speaker 7: but it's the independence that really matter. And the independents

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Speaker 7: have become more and more anti what's going on in Washington.

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Speaker 7: They actually came out and supported Trump by almost sixty

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Speaker 7: eight or sixty nine percent last November, but today their

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Speaker 7: only support of at about thirty two percent. So the

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Speaker 7: real key is going to be how independents think, not

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Speaker 7: how Republicans think, not how Democrats think. And I do

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Speaker 7: believe that these polls are showing that the Democrats have

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Speaker 7: become very very sour among what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned NPR and PBS, so those aren't going

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Speaker 1: to be Those aren't going to be polls are going

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Speaker 1: to be skewed to show the Republicans in a positive light. Jim,

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Speaker 1: you know that. What does Trafalgar say? What does some

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Speaker 1: of the other polling operations say that predicted that Trump

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Speaker 1: was going to win the election? No matter what the

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Speaker 1: other polls were saying, What are they saying?

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Speaker 7: Well, again, I'm only looking up the ones that I'm seeing,

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Speaker 7: and there is a tendency. Here's the real key, and

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Speaker 7: this is the reason I think Republicans have to be

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Speaker 7: a little bit concern. The Democrat message is that the

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Speaker 7: reason we're staying shut down is because the Affordable Care

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Speaker 7: Act tax credits are being taken away at the end

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Speaker 7: of this year, and we need to make sure we

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Speaker 7: stand up for those.

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Speaker 1: Gus, which, of course is not entirely, entirely true. It's

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Speaker 1: not true at all, And Speaker Johnson detailed that earlier today.

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Speaker 1: How that's not true. They just wanted to clean CR

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Speaker 1: so they could keep the government, keep the lights on,

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Speaker 1: so they could finish the appropriations work that they were

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Speaker 1: supposed to have done.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 7: Again, I always try and be objective.

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Speaker 6: I've lived through this.

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Speaker 7: A Speaker Johnson has to say what he has to say.

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Speaker 7: He has to protect Republicans. I'm a little shocked, and

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Speaker 7: again I don't want your listeners to think, boy when

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Speaker 7: he's being hard on Speaker Johnson, I'm surprised he's not.

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Speaker 7: I'm surprised that he's not in Washington. Look, I lived

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Speaker 7: through two shutdowns. We were not allowed to leave. Every

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Speaker 7: Republican member I actually sat in Washington, D C. On

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Speaker 7: New Year's Eve because we had a shutdown over the

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Speaker 7: holidays and had to be there on New Year's Eve.

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Speaker 7: Always said, it's the loneliest time I've only been by

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Speaker 7: myself twice on New Year's Eve. One's probably when I

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01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 7: was born as a baby. In the second time in Congress,

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Speaker 7: but yeah, we were there waiting to come up with

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Speaker 7: a deal. And there are some American people who are

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Speaker 7: not happy that the House isn't sitting there either. So

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Speaker 7: the speaker's got the speaker has to say what he

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Speaker 7: has to say. But I do think there is other

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Speaker 7: pulling out there. Washington Post and again we we can

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Speaker 7: claim some of these polls aren't effective, but uh, you know,

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Speaker 7: seventy one percent of respondents believe that these tax credits

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Speaker 7: are important, and ninety five percent Democrats, eighty percent Independence,

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Speaker 7: and sixty two percent of Republicans want them to expire.

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Speaker 7: So I was talking to one of my former colleagues

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Speaker 7: who's a member still a member of Congress, and he said,

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Speaker 7: it's going to be interesting because we probably will come

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Speaker 7: back at some point in time. And you can remember

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Speaker 7: I said this because I'm not making this up. I'm

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Speaker 7: getting this from Republican member. We thought we probably will.

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Speaker 7: We probably will come back, and it'll be by approving

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Speaker 7: the ACA subsidies.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think that in mind too.

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Speaker 1: The thing that has been made. The case that's been

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Speaker 1: made by the Republicans is that they're trying to save

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Speaker 1: Medicaid and some of these and make make the ACE

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Speaker 1: work better. And the only way you can do that

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Speaker 1: is through these appropriations bills that have to be passed.

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Speaker 1: There need to be There are like twelve different appropriations

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Speaker 1: bills that need to pass. They've passed three of them.

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Speaker 1: The House. You talked about the House being gone, and

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Speaker 1: during this shutdown, the House passed the clean cr and

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Speaker 1: Senate to the Senate. So the Senate is holding this up, Jim.

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Speaker 1: They can make any argument that they want, They can

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Speaker 1: make any argument that they want as to why. But

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Speaker 1: all this is this was a stopgap to get us

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Speaker 1: to November twenty. First, what I want to know is

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Speaker 1: how come they can't pass a budget that isn't just

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Speaker 1: a kicking the can down the road kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: And it's Republicans and Democrats, And this is what people

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01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:56,760
Speaker 1: independents alike are pissed off about, including me, because I

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Speaker 1: was talking to somebody else about this, Jim, and they're

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Speaker 1: arguing over how to spend our money. This is money.

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Speaker 1: Washington doesn't have just a big pile of money somewhere

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Speaker 1: that they generated themselves to fund all these things. It

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Speaker 1: is Congress's job, primarily not to conduct investigations, but to

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Speaker 1: appropriate funds to levy taxes and to provide for the

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Speaker 1: common defense. And constitutionally, there is no other job that Congress,

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Speaker 1: the House of Representatives has, or Congress in Sentate than

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Speaker 1: it is to figure out how to spend our money.

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Speaker 1: It's our money, and people forget that it's the taxpayer's money,

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Speaker 1: it's not Washington's money.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I one hundred percent agree with you, But I

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Speaker 7: want to come back to your first comment where you said, well,

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Speaker 7: you know, the Speaker is saying, let's just sign this

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Speaker 7: R and we're going to come back and pass our

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Speaker 7: twelve appropriation bills our budget. Well, here's what I would

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Speaker 7: ask the speaker if I was interviewing mister speaker, when's

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Speaker 7: the last time the House and Senate has passed twelve

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Speaker 7: appropriation bills and a budget? And the answer is almost

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Speaker 7: forty years ago. Mister speaker, who are you kidding? You

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Speaker 7: are not coming back to pass the appropriations bills, You're

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Speaker 7: not coming back to pass a budget. This is the problem,

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Speaker 7: and this is just what you said, and this is

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Speaker 7: what American people are so set up with Garry. It's

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Speaker 7: one of the reasons why I left Congress. I was

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Speaker 7: on the budget committee. We could not get a budget passed,

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Speaker 7: and we never got twelve appropriation bills passed. And we

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Speaker 7: tried and tried and tried, and even when we got

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Speaker 7: something past, the Senate wouldn't pass it either. So it

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Speaker 7: doesn't matter. The speaker can say this all he wants

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Speaker 7: the American people, and you're one hundred percent right. The

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Speaker 7: number one job for the US Congress is to pass

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Speaker 7: a budget and twelve appropriation bills. Yet they failed for

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Speaker 7: forty years, and the speakers saying, well, if they just

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Speaker 7: passed the c R, we're going to pass one.

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Speaker 1: Well he said, he says, he says he came to

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Speaker 1: change that. Jim, Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 7: And by the way, how long has he been there?

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Speaker 7: And what are your last year?

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Speaker 1: Year? Two years? Yeah?

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Speaker 7: And what happened and what happened the year before? They

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01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 7: have not passed the budget and they have not passed

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Speaker 7: appropriations bills. Every speaker says they're here to do it,

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Speaker 7: and every speaker knows it's impossibility. So quit talking about

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Speaker 7: it and come up with a solution. How about this, Gary,

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Speaker 7: And here's what I've said. If Jim or Acy was

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Speaker 7: Speaker of the House, I would say, none of you

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Speaker 7: are leaving. We're going to stay here for three hundred

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Speaker 7: and sixty five days straight until we passed twelve appropriation

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Speaker 7: bills and a budget. And if you don't pass those,

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Speaker 7: we'll stay for another three hundred and sixty five days straight.

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Speaker 7: If you want to get the House and Senate to

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Speaker 7: do their work, don't let them go home.

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Speaker 1: If the US, if the US here, here's another question, Jim,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate that, and you know, uh, you want

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Speaker 1: to get back into that it's nest again, go ahead

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Speaker 1: and run. But but what I'm what I'm asking you

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Speaker 1: is too And this is something that's always been cure.

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Speaker 1: Anytime the government is shut down and they talk about

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Speaker 1: all the horrors that are going to be people are

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Speaker 1: going to be laying in the streets dying because they

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Speaker 1: can't get medical care, and the national parks are closed,

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Speaker 1: and all these federal workers are without their paychecks. You

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Speaker 1: know who's not without a paycheck during a governments shut down?

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01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 1: The people who are supposed to appropriate the funds and

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Speaker 1: pass a budget in the House and Senate. How come

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Speaker 1: their checks keep coming?

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Speaker 6: Jim, Well, I would agree with you.

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Speaker 7: And the only reason they do it's constitutionally in the law.

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Speaker 7: Because people will say and by the way, if you

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Speaker 7: ever hear somebody say, and you're gonna hear this, you're

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Speaker 7: gonna hear a House and Senate members saying I'm going

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Speaker 7: to donate my payroll on my paycheck back.

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Speaker 6: That's hogwash.

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Speaker 7: They can't donate their paycheck back. They have to be

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Speaker 7: paid their paycheck.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 7: They can get their check and write a check to charities,

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Speaker 7: which some of them will do, but nobody can give

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Speaker 7: up their paycheck. And what's even worse, Gary, is our

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01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 7: military does not get paid. I agree, they have to

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Speaker 7: continue to serve until this government reopens.

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Speaker 3: Now they'll get back paid.

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Speaker 7: But how would you like to be somebody living paycheck

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Speaker 7: to paycheck in the military, protecting our country and not

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Speaker 7: getting paid. It's one of the reasons why we should

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01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 7: never shut down the government just for that reason. But

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Speaker 7: we do what we do, and one hundred percent agree.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's switch subjects just for a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: If you got a few more minutes, sure, absolutely, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about this unwillingness to face in various cities,

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Speaker 1: an obvious problem to most people who live in these

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Speaker 1: cities that crime has overtaken them. And President Trump's efforts,

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Speaker 1: which were constitutional in Washington, d C. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about it any other city anywhere else in the country,

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Speaker 1: but all of this pushback to having federal troops actually

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Speaker 1: protect federal buildings and federal law enforcement officers in these

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Speaker 1: other cities, so the police of those cities can go

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Speaker 1: about their job and actually arrest criminals. What's going on

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Speaker 1: with all of that.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's politics as usual and faith that we do

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Speaker 7: need safer cities, we do need safer streets. The problem is,

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Speaker 7: and I try and look at this again, not from

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Speaker 7: somebody looking at the federal government or what President.

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Speaker 8: Trump's trying to do.

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Speaker 7: If President Trump sends these troops into these cities, that

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Speaker 7: means that to get these cities safer, we have to

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Speaker 7: spend more money, by spending more people, by hiring basically

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Speaker 7: hiring the federal government's troops to protect our cities. That's look,

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Speaker 7: it may be a short term answer, but it's not

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Speaker 7: a long term answer. The minute those troops leave, things

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01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 7: are going to go. So how do we really fix it? Yeah,

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Speaker 7: and I wish we could start looking at that. How

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Speaker 7: do we really fix these situations? Because sending in the

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Speaker 7: military is good for thirty days, but it's not good

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Speaker 7: for thirty years. And at some point in time we

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01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 7: have to be able to sit back and figure out

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Speaker 7: how to fix this. Well, and what I just told you,

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Speaker 7: the only way to fix it is more money. And

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01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 7: that's a problem because it's got to be a whole

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01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 7: slew of things that are done to fix it. It's

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Speaker 7: just not more money.

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Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you what not going to fix it.

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01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 1: No cash, bail is not going to fix it. A

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01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,640
Speaker 1: revolving door in that justice system is not going to

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01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 1: fix it. And that's what we've seen in a lot

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Speaker 1: of these large cities, Jim, and you know it as

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01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 1: well as I do. And you know what else is

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01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: not going to fix it? Hiring camp counselors instead of police,

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Speaker 1: and all the other things that are attributable to the

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01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: violence and chaos in some of these cities that happened

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Speaker 1: to be yes controlled and run by Democrats time and

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Speaker 1: time and time again.

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Speaker 7: Yes or no, Well, absolutely and one hundred percent agree

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Speaker 7: with you. But see you just listed out the answers,

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01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:14,759
Speaker 7: but politics, politicians and politics will not allow that to happen.

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01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 7: So that's the real key. But you got to remember

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01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 7: we're elected society. I may not like the way California

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01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 7: runs their business or LA, but I also have a

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Speaker 7: choice not to live in California or LA. And I

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01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 7: think that's the answer. I mean, the minute you try

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Speaker 7: and fix the problem, you know, you and I are saying, well,

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Speaker 7: let's eliminate the Democrat mayors and the Democrat But the

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01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 7: problem is they're being elected and that's the other issue.

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Speaker 7: So you know, the people that are electing them want

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Speaker 7: them to run the city the way they want them,

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Speaker 7: or you know, the people that are electing them really

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01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 7: aren't paying attention to who they're electing. I think it's

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Speaker 7: the latter more than the former. But it is the

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Speaker 7: problem we have, and it's it's why we live in

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Speaker 7: a free democracy where we may not like the Los

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Speaker 7: Angeles is running their city, or even the way Cleveland's

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Speaker 7: running its city, but or Cincinnati or Columbus.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jim Jim Jim dearborn Michigan is still a part

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Speaker 1: of these United States of America, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: we are a constitutional Republic. So just because they've elected it,

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Speaker 1: they can't go to sharia law over the United States

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01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: Constitution and the rule of law described within. They can't,

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Speaker 1: or maybe they should they maybe they should just maybe

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Speaker 1: dearborn Michigan should just secede from the United States.

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Speaker 7: Then well, I think what is going to happen over

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Speaker 7: the next ten, fifteen, twenty years, And I hate to

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01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 7: see this as there will be some succession talk, whether

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Speaker 7: it's you know, the state of California, the state Oregon.

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Speaker 7: These comments are going to continue to be discussed as

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Speaker 7: to whether you know, these states want to stay in here.

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Speaker 7: I hope, I hope that's not the case. But these

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Speaker 7: are the issues that really our children and grandchildren are

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01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:18,640
Speaker 7: going to have to face as our constitutional republic continues

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01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 7: to be tested, which is really what's going on here now.

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Speaker 7: There's the test as to whether we will survive and

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01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 7: will continue to be the United States of America. But

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Speaker 7: you know, that'll be some time in the future. I

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01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 7: don't think you and I will be around to see it.

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Speaker 7: We continue to fight for it today, but you know,

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Speaker 7: let's well, let's face it, let's.

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Speaker 1: Just jim, let's just let's just make a pact to

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Speaker 1: keep on living so we can continue to fight. Listen,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Had a great time with you and some good information

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01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:57,760
Speaker 1: back and forth. Thanks Jim Oran Aci, thank you all

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01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 1: right on the nightcap on seven hundred W round and

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Speaker 1: third heading for home, not only on the Reds baseball season,

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01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:09,719
Speaker 1: but on tonight's night camp. And since we've talked Bengals

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Speaker 1: and said everything in Sundiurya, we possibly can about this

1507
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: pathetic excuse for an NFL franchise in Cincinnati. It's time

1508
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 1: to put our shoes, our cleats on the other feet,

1509
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 1: so to speak, and continue our conversation with the wild

1510
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:28,120
Speaker 1: Man tonight about the red season, what he thinks they

1511
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 1: need to do. Where do we go from here? I

1512
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: ask had a discussion on Saturday Morning show wild Man,

1513
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: and I'll just start with this, and we were talking

1514
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: about best baseball movies of all time, and my pick

1515
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: is still sixty one, which is the epic chronicling.

1516
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 6: Of a great movie, great movie.

1517
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: The Roger Merris Chase for Bay Bruce single season home

1518
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 1: run record and Mickey Mantle competing. It is a great movie.

1519
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 1: And I asked Mo Agger I said, if you were

1520
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: going to make a movie about this past season's Red season,

1521
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:05,639
Speaker 1: what would you title it? And he said the first step.

1522
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that?

1523
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 8: No?

1524
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: Not at all at all, No, not at all all right,

1525
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 1: So what do the Reds need to do? What would

1526
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: you call? What would you call? What would you title

1527
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: the season that was for the Reds if you were

1528
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,600
Speaker 1: making a baseball movie about it? What would they?

1529
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 3: Still a lot of work to do?

1530
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: Okay, still a lot of work to do?

1531
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean Nick Crawl has a number of decisions,

1532
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 3: and one of them is he might have to part

1533
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:37,600
Speaker 3: with one of the starting pitchers in the rotation in

1534
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:41,120
Speaker 3: order to get this bat that the Reds desperately need now.

1535
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 3: And I've looked at the free agency the bat of

1536
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,519
Speaker 3: the players out there that have been a big bats,

1537
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:50,839
Speaker 3: Pete Alonzo, Kyle Swarmer. Let's not kid ourselves. Kyle Swarmer

1538
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 3: is not coming here. The Phillies love love him, he

1539
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 3: loves being there. They're not letting him walk. And Peter

1540
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 3: Alonzo he'll probably stay with the Mets, but he would

1541
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 3: probably call yeah, you know, forty million dollars. I mean,

1542
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 3: come on, and he doesn't really play that grided defense

1543
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 3: at first base. They may have to trade one of

1544
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,679
Speaker 3: their pitchers to find it bad. But there's also Marcelo Souna,

1545
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 3: you know whoever, just like thirty home runs a year

1546
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 3: for the Braves is available, so might that might be

1547
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 3: a guy that Tin Kram might be willing to bring in.

1548
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 3: Here he went and caught him an arm on the leg.

1549
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 3: But here here's the following things that's probably going to happen.

1550
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say it will, but the first

1551
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:32,680
Speaker 3: thing is, yeah, Tito fran Conan needs to sit down

1552
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 3: with Li de la Cruz and say, look, man, I know,

1553
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,040
Speaker 3: I know you're a team guy. You want you want

1554
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 3: to win. We need you to move the right field.

1555
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 3: And here is why. And I heads back to nineteen

1556
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:47,560
Speaker 3: to seventy five when Sparky Anderson sat down with p

1557
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 3: Rose and said, hey, would you be willing to move

1558
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 3: the third base sor George Fauffler could blay left field

1559
01:30:53,400 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 3: because it would really help the team. And Pete said, absolutely,

1560
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 3: I'll move the third base. No, you can't let the

1561
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 3: inmates run the asylum. You can't let them do it.

1562
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:05,560
Speaker 3: So you asked La de la Cruz to move to

1563
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 3: right field, and I think he would and he would

1564
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 3: have plenty of time to learn how to play right

1565
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 3: field during spring training. He's got the arm. You keep

1566
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 3: Frido in center, you keep Marte in left field. You

1567
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 3: get rid of Austin Hayes, you get rid of Will Benson,

1568
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:22,800
Speaker 3: you get rid of Espinal. You let Amelia Pagan walk,

1569
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 3: You let get rid of Sam maul let Martinez walk

1570
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 3: in his twenty one million dollar deal. H they let

1571
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 3: them guys go. They let those guys go. Now, who

1572
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 3: plays third base? To me, that's a new brand, that's

1573
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:40,639
Speaker 3: a new brainer, south Stewart. But you also keep Keana

1574
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 3: Hayes because of his defense. But south Stewart can also

1575
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 3: plays first base. Spencer Steel plays first Who plays shoot shortstop?

1576
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 1: Now?

1577
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 3: And you didn't ask me Matt McClean, But he would

1578
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 3: be on his short lease coming out of spring training.

1579
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:58,600
Speaker 3: But Matt McLean is a short stop from the get go.

1580
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 3: Matt McLean only made a errors at second base. Led Day,

1581
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 3: la Cruz made twenty four errors, and in the last

1582
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,160
Speaker 3: two years, Gary Jeff l De la Cruz has made

1583
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 3: forty eight errors at shortstop. You can't have that. You

1584
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 3: can't have that. He who would play second. They could

1585
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 3: possibly find a second basement in free agency, or they

1586
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 3: could play Gavin Lutz over there at second and or

1587
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 3: they can platoon that. But to me, it starts with

1588
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 3: sitting down with l de la Cruz and saying, look, man,

1589
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 3: we need you to move to right field. This would

1590
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 3: be for the benefit of the team. You may sell

1591
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 3: out there. You can track balls down. Think how many

1592
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 3: home runs that he possibly could could save a great

1593
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 3: American ballpark. As tall as he is, and his lapman

1594
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 3: ability and the arm that he's got. You need a

1595
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:46,880
Speaker 3: strong You need a strong arm in right field now.

1596
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 3: Now as a relief the relief pitchers, I'd keep Scott Barlow.

1597
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,479
Speaker 3: I keep Brett sooner. I bring him back because he's

1598
01:32:53,479 --> 01:32:57,719
Speaker 3: a lefty and can I make big, big sweaty Tony

1599
01:32:57,800 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 3: Santion as the closer.

1600
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 7: I you know.

1601
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: What's Here's here's what I would say, just depending on

1602
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:07,599
Speaker 1: his development. I wouldn't use Chase Burns as a starter.

1603
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,919
Speaker 1: I'd use him as as a closer, a late closer,

1604
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: Chase Burns or or a setup guy.

1605
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 3: They could be our setup guy. They could be thinking

1606
01:33:16,160 --> 01:33:18,439
Speaker 3: that way I did. Tony's Antion has got the boxing,

1607
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 3: uh to be that closer.

1608
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really do to.

1609
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 3: Uh, But again, Burns and also you got Connor, you

1610
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 3: got Connor Phillips, who really was took a big step

1611
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 3: forward there the season went on, all right, Yeah, that's

1612
01:33:33,000 --> 01:33:33,680
Speaker 3: my take on that.

1613
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: When they brought Burns up and they gave him that

1614
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: start in the Yankees, and he when he struck out

1615
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 1: the first five batters he faced just blowing that smoke.

1616
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 1: And then of course they figured out what he was

1617
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 1: doing and and they torched him after that. But I thought,

1618
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 1: put put that guy in in the seventh or eighth inning.

1619
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:57,880
Speaker 1: He is gonna he is gonna blow the those two

1620
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:00,160
Speaker 1: three batters away that you need him to do, and

1621
01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:03,479
Speaker 1: he's gonna provide a perfect setup for for somebody like

1622
01:34:03,880 --> 01:34:06,680
Speaker 1: Santiene or santi On how however you pronounce it.

1623
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it'd be kind of like the Nasty Boys,

1624
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 3: you know, when he brought it to arm Charlton, Rob

1625
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,680
Speaker 3: Bibble and Randy Myers and all the viral ballers. I mean,

1626
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 3: you put Connor Phillips maybe in the seventh innings, Chase Burns,

1627
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 3: ninth inning, Tony Sandy on lights out.

1628
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:25,120
Speaker 1: I agree with that that mentality and We have talked

1629
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:28,960
Speaker 1: ever since the middle of the season about Ellie moving

1630
01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 1: to the outfield, and.

1631
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,719
Speaker 3: Everybody says that, you know, and again behind the scenes,

1632
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:37,920
Speaker 3: you know I'm gonna I'll go back again. In nineteen

1633
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 3: seventy five, Sparky went to Peter Rouse because he knew

1634
01:34:41,479 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 3: that George Foster was ready and Parks and they didn't

1635
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 3: Pete Berline. Pete played third base back in nineteen sixty six,

1636
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 3: but nobody kind of stuck him over there and he

1637
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,560
Speaker 3: sucked at it, but he went to third base. He

1638
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,560
Speaker 3: played a pretty good third base with the Reds and

1639
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:57,640
Speaker 3: the years that he was here. I mean the very

1640
01:34:57,720 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 3: first game, Gary, Jeff, the very pitch of the game,

1641
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:02,879
Speaker 3: where do you think the ball was into when Prose

1642
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 3: went to third base the third base, Yeah, Pete feeling

1643
01:35:07,680 --> 01:35:09,880
Speaker 3: it flawlessly and threw the guy out. I mean, he

1644
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 3: wasn't a gold glove. Be sure you know he played,

1645
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 3: you know, he played well over there, he really did.

1646
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 3: I had opened the door for George lost her.

1647
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 1: I think, and I think he would agree with this,

1648
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:21,759
Speaker 1: because you're such a sycophant when it comes to Pete.

1649
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 6: Uh.

1650
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: I think Pete Rose could have played any position and

1651
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:30,839
Speaker 1: probably learned it and and been well more than proficionally positioned.

1652
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:34,919
Speaker 3: So you know, my guys can say that and exactly

1653
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:36,920
Speaker 3: would have went behind the plate if he had they had,

1654
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 3: if they needed him.

1655
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 1: He would have done that. All right, Well, get on

1656
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 1: back to your reruns whatever it is you're watching tonight.

1657
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:48,560
Speaker 3: I have no idea, uh quickly about bad Bunny is

1658
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 3: the NFL. The NFL has lost its mind. They don't

1659
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 3: need somebody like that to sell the game. I just

1660
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 3: don't understand that. I didn't know who's bunny.

1661
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 1: Really, I didn't know who the hell he was until

1662
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: I saw him in a pet in a pink dress.

1663
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:03,439
Speaker 3: What the hell the NFL cross dressers in Spanish? What

1664
01:36:05,080 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 3: I speak English? What he's saying. The idiots, man, they really.

1665
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 1: Are, there are they're always about three or four years

1666
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 1: behind the times in culture when they you know, they

1667
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 1: don't understand that the whole, the whole, everybody's trans and

1668
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:26,679
Speaker 1: the woke movement's done. They don't they don't understand stick

1669
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: of forking and it's done, wild man.

1670
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 3: Not only not only that, buddy, is that they don't

1671
01:36:31,240 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 3: need that, They don't need that the game itself.

1672
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 1: Hell no, listen, uh, We're done to stick a fork

1673
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: in us. Wild Man, thank you. I'll talk to you

1674
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:40,960
Speaker 1: next week. How about that.

1675
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you next week, my friends.

1676
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 1: All right, now we conclude with the national anthem to

1677
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 1: Honor America on seven hundred W l W. Yes, it

1678
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:55,679
Speaker 1: is once more time to check in with the human

1679
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: goo factory known as wild Man Walker, also known as

1680
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:04,600
Speaker 1: a sports commando. And in the wake of another expected

1681
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 1: Bengals loss yesterday to the Lions, I'm sure there's plenty

1682
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,519
Speaker 1: of good to go around for the wild Man. Uh,

1683
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 1: wild how you doing today? You're recovering.

1684
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 3: I'm well, I don't have the goo. I'm dumb after

1685
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 3: the other two losses. I'm numb about this football team.

1686
01:37:21,320 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 3: That's a lost season. I don't really care what happens.

1687
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:26,560
Speaker 3: And it's not gonna matter until they get rid of

1688
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 3: Zach Taylor and Duke Covin and Jake Browning. This team's

1689
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 3: gonna it's gonna be. It's a disaster. It's a fricking dismester. Gary, Jeff,

1690
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 3: let's keep it real here.

1691
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:38,760
Speaker 8: Uh.

1692
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 3: The Bengals were never ever in that game yesterday, and

1693
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 3: you got these talking heads on television. Well, they scored

1694
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 3: twenty something points, you know, and three touchdowns. Those touchdowns

1695
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 3: were garbage like in basketball, garbage time. They were covering

1696
01:37:56,360 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 3: this game. Jake Browning, it's not the end or to

1697
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 3: lead this team to any wins. I want to ask

1698
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 3: you this, What in the hell has he was he

1699
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 3: doing last year when he was on the sidelines holding

1700
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:11,599
Speaker 3: that clipboard watching Joe Bartle play.

1701
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 1: What was he doing?

1702
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 3: Was he taking notes? Was he watching the game? I mean,

1703
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:18,639
Speaker 3: he set out all last year and watch how things

1704
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:21,599
Speaker 3: went on the field, and he comes on and performs

1705
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 3: like this. He's not the answer man.

1706
01:38:24,439 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 1: You know, wild manship, wild man, I go, I gotta

1707
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:32,800
Speaker 1: tell you this. So I walked into the studio today

1708
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: and I just caught him. Before I left, I saw

1709
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 1: Tony Pike and I said, have the Bengals called yet?

1710
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:41,640
Speaker 1: He said, I'm putting together a highlight film because we

1711
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:46,080
Speaker 1: had We got six foot five of NFL backup quarterback

1712
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 1: walking around here at the radio studio. I mean, almost

1713
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 1: anything would be better than watching Jake Browning just melt

1714
01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: down and he knows it's not good, he knows it's

1715
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: not right. I don't know if he's physically capable of

1716
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 1: rising above his browniness at this point, I don't I

1717
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 1: don't even know.

1718
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 3: And the words of Lou Penela, I've seen enough. I've

1719
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:16,200
Speaker 3: seen enough of Jake Browning and ownership, ohs, the loyal

1720
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 3: fan base and Cincinnati who have stuck with this team

1721
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 3: to thickened in to the bidder end, the lows, the highs,

1722
01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 3: to go out and find a quarterback that can possibly

1723
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:28,800
Speaker 3: get them some wins. Whoes not now, don't paint on this,

1724
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 3: but right now the AFC Nora is up for grabs. Yeah,

1725
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 3: the Raven stink, the brown stink. The Steelers are Okay,

1726
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:40,040
Speaker 3: there's still a chance. So let's get a quarterback in here.

1727
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 3: And they have to trade a player and a draft choice,

1728
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:45,880
Speaker 3: do whatever, but get a quarterback in here that can

1729
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:49,360
Speaker 3: sling the ball to the two best receivers possibly in

1730
01:39:49,439 --> 01:39:52,719
Speaker 3: the NFL. And that's t Higgins and Jamar Chase. Jamie

1731
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 3: isn't winsdon it's the guy I want because that guy

1732
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:57,800
Speaker 3: will sling it and he may throw some pigs, but

1733
01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 3: he knows what he's doing. And he went to learn

1734
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:04,600
Speaker 3: that the playbook, you know, all that, the complicated playbook.

1735
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:07,679
Speaker 3: Think you're gonna give him basic plays, man, and go out.

1736
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 1: There and do it well, give him basic plays and

1737
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:12,400
Speaker 1: let him call the plays too, because you know what

1738
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 1: you mentioned, the brown stink and the Ravens stink, which

1739
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 1: I can't argue with. And guy, the Ravens talk about

1740
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 1: a skeleton of their former team just with all of

1741
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 1: the injuries and everything that happens to every NFL team,

1742
01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:29,680
Speaker 1: but not like it has Baltimore this year, Pittsburgh, the

1743
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:33,320
Speaker 1: Steelers being okay, But you know what those three teams

1744
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 1: have that the Bengals don't. A competent head coach, Kevin's

1745
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:42,760
Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski of the Browns. That the Browns product may

1746
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 1: not be the front office, the players may not be

1747
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 1: up to snuff, but Kevin Stefanski is uh. John Harbaugh

1748
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 1: is chronicled as one of the best coaches year after

1749
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:59,719
Speaker 1: year in the NFL. And Mike Tomlin, all he does

1750
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 1: is put together whatever he's got and they are a

1751
01:41:03,720 --> 01:41:08,200
Speaker 1: viable opportunity to win every time, every Sunday, every time

1752
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:10,679
Speaker 1: they go out on the field in Pittsburgh. And I'm

1753
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 1: telling you that is the major difference between every other

1754
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 1: team in our division and the Cincinnati Bengals. Do you

1755
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:18,640
Speaker 1: agree or not?

1756
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 3: I agree, and On top of that, they have in

1757
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 3: the front office. They have very smart football people. The

1758
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 3: Skimmers give the Ravens zoo. Yeah, the Browns du sorta.

1759
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:32,719
Speaker 3: But Duke Duke Toban for some reason gets the pass

1760
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 3: from the milk toots media in this town, Radio, TV

1761
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 3: and those scribes. Duke Toban's track record, look at it,

1762
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 3: it's not very good. I mean, Ray Charles could have

1763
01:41:45,160 --> 01:41:49,599
Speaker 3: taken Jamar, Chase Steeviee Wonder could have taken Joe Burrow. Duh.

1764
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 3: It's the other guys. And if they're afraid to give

1765
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 3: up a sixth round pick thinking they're gonna find something,

1766
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:58,759
Speaker 3: you know, superstar and the sixth round of the draft

1767
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 3: to get Jamis and incident in here to possibly salvage

1768
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:05,800
Speaker 3: the season. There are their minds that's not going to happen,

1769
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,519
Speaker 3: and give up the sixth round picker. Great one of

1770
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 3: those players, and they got that. Maybe the as we want.

1771
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 1: If they don't have if they don't have the proper

1772
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 1: line personnel, it's not gonna matter who the QB is.

1773
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:22,840
Speaker 1: Wild Man and the Bengals are soft on both sides

1774
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:25,719
Speaker 1: of the football when it comes to those front five.

1775
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:30,160
Speaker 3: I know that Gary Jeff but an experienced quarterback who

1776
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:33,320
Speaker 3: has seen everything, and jamieus wins them. You can go back.

1777
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 3: Even with the Browns, they didn't have a great offensive line,

1778
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 3: but he was he was lightening up pretty good. He'll

1779
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 3: make mistakes, but he'll be entertaining right now.

1780
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:47,680
Speaker 1: This is not entertainment. No, your absolutely, no, you're right.

1781
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 1: It is not entertaining. Even if they were losing forty

1782
01:42:53,080 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 1: to thirty every game, at least a shootout would be entertaining.

1783
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 1: This is just bet add football that we're watching from

1784
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:05,800
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals. And it goes far beyond who is

1785
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 1: calling the signals behind the center.

1786
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:10,320
Speaker 8: This is just.

1787
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 3: The lower base, you know, you know it needs the

1788
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 3: ownership needs to you know, come, I'm crowd to do

1789
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 3: something here.

1790
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the answer is.

1791
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:24,599
Speaker 1: I'm not an NFL I'm not an NFL general manager.

1792
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm not an NFL head coach. I'm not an owner.

1793
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm just a fan. I'm a fan. I'm watching, you know,

1794
01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 1: they're they're there for my entertainment. And as you mentioned,

1795
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,759
Speaker 1: this is boring. This isn't entertaining. It's not entertaining.

1796
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:40,640
Speaker 3: You can see it why can't they see it to

1797
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:42,760
Speaker 3: some of the problems. I mean, they always they try

1798
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 3: to make football sense of science. You know, come on,

1799
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:46,960
Speaker 3: give me a break. You know, you run the football,

1800
01:43:47,080 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 3: you pass the football. It's like baseball. See them hit

1801
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 3: the ball, catch the ball. It's not rocket science. I

1802
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 3: always you can see where the problems are.

1803
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:56,720
Speaker 1: I always regarded you as a as a nuclear physicist,

1804
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:58,520
Speaker 1: wild Man, I just don't understand.

1805
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 3: No, I'm not in that class yet. I tried, but

1806
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:06,640
Speaker 3: I failed that. But I'm not really. I'm really just

1807
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:09,240
Speaker 3: numb right now. Over the Bengals season. I really don't care.

1808
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:11,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll watch them. I watched this game yesterday

1809
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:13,800
Speaker 3: and I really and I just went and when they

1810
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 3: threw the picks, I went, whatever. You know, they're they're

1811
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:19,720
Speaker 3: just bad and Brownie. You start with Jake Browning and

1812
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:21,920
Speaker 3: he can talk all he wants, but he's not the

1813
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 3: answer and he need to get him out of there.

1814
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 1: I watched the game specifically because I like to watch

1815
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 1: the Lions play, because you know what, wild Man, they

1816
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 1: are entertaining.

1817
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:33,479
Speaker 3: Yes, they are very entertaining.

1818
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 1: They're entertaining. They're there for me for my amusement, like

1819
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:40,720
Speaker 1: a clown. Do amuse me? All right, wild Man?

1820
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 3: And when they want and when they wanted to score,

1821
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,320
Speaker 3: they could score yesterday at will. They just took it easy.

1822
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 3: They could have scored sixty points yesterday. I am.

1823
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:50,120
Speaker 1: I am there with you one hundred percent. I tell

1824
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:51,840
Speaker 1: you what. Let's take a break and come back and

1825
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:55,639
Speaker 1: we'll finish up. Okay, all right, it's the wild Man

1826
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:58,600
Speaker 1: Sports for the out of Sorts on the nightcap and

1827
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:01,640
Speaker 1: the new Fall season seven hundred WLW.

1828
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:04,559
Speaker 8: Why would a guy in financial services pick a fight

1829
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 8: with the financial industry because in many cases the system

1830
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:09,679
Speaker 8: they built works more for them than it does free