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Speaker 1: just turned. The Bearcats bounce back with an impressive performance,

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Speaker 1: good season. You heard Dan and Terry talk about it

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Speaker 1: hung ninety two on him tonight, Cincinnati with its second

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Speaker 1: best offensive showing of the season, the Bearcats shooting close

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Speaker 1: badly needed win, if for no other reason, just for morale.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you were paying attention to the postgame

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Speaker 1: out of that, and they played well today ninety two

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Speaker 1: this season. I will take you up until five o'clock

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Speaker 1: this afternoon. That's when we kick it to Westwood Ones

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Speaker 1: coverage of Super Bowl sixty the Seattle Seahawks and the

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Speaker 1: point favorite in this game, and if you've seen their

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Speaker 1: be here until pregame coverage takes over at five o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Kickoff scheduled for shortly after six point thirty. I've got

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Speaker 1: News an official who's actually worked a Super Bowl, and

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Speaker 1: but he is the lead rules analyst for CBS Sports

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Speaker 1: So we'll have that interview for you coming out here

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Speaker 1: after the bottom of the hour. News Again, Cincinnati wins

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Speaker 1: today overuc by a score of ninety two to seventy two.

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Speaker 1: The Bearcats even up their record at twelve and twelve

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Speaker 1: on the season. And if you care it all, and

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Speaker 1: I understand it if you don't, But for what it's worth,

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati was a four and a half point favorite today,

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Speaker 1: This is seven hundred WLUM four minutes away from five o'clock.

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Speaker 1: This is Sunday Afternoon Sports Talk on seven hundred WLW

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Speaker 1: Moeger broadcasting from a fifth third arena where the uc

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Speaker 1: Bearcats knocked off UCF today by a score of ninety

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Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen season. So longtime NFL official, longtime men's

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Speaker 3: Every network has a rules analyst, right, and it's kind

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Speaker 2: Pull back the curtain for me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, in the NFL, I can tell you it's

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Speaker 4: Remember what city you're in, Know what announcers are on

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Speaker 2: What is it like?

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure this has happened, though not that frequently

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Speaker 3: You in your role, you've got to be critical at times.

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Speaker 3: You've got to be critical of men. You know, men

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Speaker 4: I mean, I know that how the social world works, right,

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Speaker 4: You know, eighty percent of the time I'm watching the plays.

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Speaker 2: Those are conversations for the future.

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Speaker 2: You don't miss. What I miss is what you just said.

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Speaker 4: It's the in real game time, high intensity, high pressure

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Speaker 4: The difference in basketball, and you're right, the proximities are

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Speaker 2: In that regard. But man, being at UC MIX.

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Speaker 3: I would always get a kick out of with him specifically,

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Speaker 4: If you feel really good about where you are in

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Speaker 4: I can't go back, but we're.

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Speaker 4: If you go down the rabbit hole like man, we

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Speaker 1: That's CBS Sports, NFL and college basketball rules analyst Jeans Terrator.

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Speaker 1: I had a chance to chat with him at elder

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Speaker 1: High School a week ago this past Friday, before he

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Speaker 1: spoke at Elders Stag broadcasting from fifth third Arena until

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Speaker 1: five o'clock. We're getting set for the Super Bowl on

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW. We are just a few minutes away

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Speaker 1: from sending it to Santa Clara for Super Bowl sixty

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Speaker 1: radio coverage starting at five o'clock. Sean sayed, awesome NFL

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Speaker 1: analysts for sumer sports dot com, give me some things

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Speaker 1: about the Patriot, Sean that I can apply to the Bengals.

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Speaker 5: To me, their safeties I think are pretty flexible where

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Speaker 5: they're playing a little bit, you know, downhill sometimes on

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Speaker 5: these inbreaking routes.

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Speaker 2: That's been a really good way to do it.

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Speaker 5: And I think they change things up overall just so

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Speaker 5: much like they are and they have a different approach

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Speaker 5: to the seeawt thing. The pitchers are a little bit

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Speaker 5: more aggressive.

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Speaker 2: It feels like.

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Speaker 5: When you bring in that big money fore agent and

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Speaker 5: a guy like Milan Williams be able to change some

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Speaker 5: things for your defense. Even though nol I ended up

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Speaker 5: missing a bunch of the season as he was injured,

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Speaker 5: still thinks like we are building this thing really through

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Speaker 5: that defensive line.

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Speaker 2: Now from a Seattle perspective, now.

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Speaker 5: Seahawks perspective is kind of similar, but also there's fun

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Speaker 5: to where their defensive line less them it unlocks everything.

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Speaker 5: They're happy to just have four defensive linemen on the field.

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Speaker 5: They can stop the run that way, they can rush

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Speaker 5: the pass that way. It just makes them feel like,

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Speaker 5: all right, got to keep on drafting defensive line. Mean,

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Speaker 5: even though of course we're gonna have situations like that

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Speaker 5: angle have had in the past where not everything's gonna

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Speaker 5: feel like it hit, it just always feels like that's

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Speaker 5: kind of a safe way to start building your team.

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Speaker 3: Can I run a couple of takes past too?

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Speaker 5: Fly?

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Speaker 6: Though?

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Speaker 3: Here's what I love most about the Patriots this season.

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Speaker 3: All eleven of their draft choices wore a uniform. This year,

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Speaker 3: all eleven played, mister irrelevant has played in a playoff game. Now,

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Speaker 3: some of them less than others, But like you know,

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Speaker 3: in a day and age where you've got to get instant.

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Speaker 2: Return on your draft picks.

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Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about the Bengals inability to get

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Speaker 3: instant return from their draft choices. The Patriots have done

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Speaker 3: that in spades. That's Bengals won't have eleven picks next season.

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Speaker 3: That's a goal. And I know folks are gonna.

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Speaker 2: Say, well, wait a minute.

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Speaker 3: All the Bengals draft choices at some point played this year.

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Speaker 3: All eleven Patriots picks played for a team that's in

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: That's what I want next season.

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Speaker 5: It's such a good thing to have where look, we

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Speaker 5: know it's a salary cap league, right, so any sort

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Speaker 5: of costen gold talent that you have, it makes things

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Speaker 5: so much easier where it allows you to take some

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Speaker 5: home run swings at different positions. So unfortunately, I mean,

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Speaker 5: you know, some teams will built through free agency, but

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Speaker 5: you have to have to have to be able to

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Speaker 5: find a way to build through the draft. Two gets

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Speaker 5: some of those starters. I keep thinking about the Bengals defense. Right,

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Speaker 5: of course you'd like to continue to build along the

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Speaker 5: offensive line, but well, next year, we've got to be

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Speaker 5: able to talk about some of these battle trafficks that

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Speaker 5: are starting on the debats's side of the ball.

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Speaker 2: That is the obvious hope.

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Speaker 1: That's my guy, Sean Sayed with sumer sports dot com.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot more of that conversation you can go

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Speaker 1: listen to on the iHeartRadio app. Super Bowl sixty from

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Speaker 1: Santa Clara is coming up. We will have a full

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Speaker 1: reaction and breakdown of the game and the commercials. I'll

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Speaker 1: leave the halftime show commentary to somebody else. We're on

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Speaker 1: from a three to six tomorrow on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: out of here make way for Super Bowl sixty. You

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