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Speaker 1: February the thirteen, twenty twenty six, Sterling stepping at the

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Speaker 1: Nation station of what you're listening to seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: A lot of phobias, a lot of fears, unreasonable, irrational,

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Speaker 1: maybe big movie franchise for sure. Guy on the line

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Speaker 1: knows a little bit about dysfunction, putting the fun in

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Speaker 1: it into getting people's minds right when they've dealt with

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Speaker 1: some issues of one type of strife or another. Doctor

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Speaker 1: David Lowenstein from dr Lowenstein dot com Lowenstein on Associates

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Speaker 1: in Columbus, Doctor Lownstein, welcome back to seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: Are you frightened and afraid and uncomfortable joining me on

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Speaker 1: the big one tonight? This Friday the thirteenth.

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Speaker 2: I charted some salt of my left shoulders, so I'm okay, hope.

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Speaker 2: So that's good.

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Speaker 1: Let's hope you're doing all right. I'm trying to be okay.

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Speaker 2: I am, I am, I am. How it's an interesting

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Speaker 2: day it is?

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Speaker 1: How big of a problem is this for people? I

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Speaker 1: talked to a guy that I used to work with

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Speaker 1: for planning on going out for Valentines, which of course

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Speaker 1: So they're gonna punt until either tomorrow or Sunday. And

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Speaker 1: I was really taken back because he seems reasonable and

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Speaker 1: rational and well put together. So I'm wondering, are reasonable

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Speaker 1: and rational people afflicted by phobia, whether it's Friday the

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Speaker 1: thirteenth or other things, be it heights or flying or whatever.

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean, definitely, anxiety just sort of said

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Speaker 2: the largest, the more common disorder that people can have

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Speaker 2: think than not. I mean, it's interesting today. I found

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Speaker 2: three different things that were interesting. Two people, if I

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Speaker 2: would have never known, I ran into the bank. Two

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Speaker 2: people thought about. One person it was their mother's birthday today,

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Speaker 2: and another person is they had grandmothers and twins that

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Speaker 2: were in today on the thirteenth. So those families are

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Speaker 2: hopefully happy unless the child has horns or something like that,

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Speaker 2: because they have born, you know, on Friday the thirteenth.

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Speaker 2: But a lot of people just really enjoyed it. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think it's a fun thing to live through.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly to live through, right, if you survive, but

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Speaker 1: it's great if it's if you don't, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's another story. So when you say anxiety is the

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Speaker 1: biggest we know about, uh, you know, anxiety, obsessive, compulsive disorders.

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Speaker 1: There's lots of disorders that are out there, but anxiety

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Speaker 1: really affects people young and old and across every social strata.

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Speaker 1: When you say it's leading, like, of all the things

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a big population.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's some studies to say one or four

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Speaker 2: people are suffering from anxiety. But at least everybody knows

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Speaker 2: what anxiety it feels like, because if you're over the

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Speaker 2: age of like twenty, you've had an anxiety attack or

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Speaker 2: some major anxiety thing happened to you that exists felt

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Speaker 2: you know that those are what happens sometimes for people.

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Speaker 2: That's the anxiety. The good news is that we don't

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Speaker 1: Now, you know, whether it's you know, anxiety about that

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Speaker 1: What are the like, the best strategies for people who

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Speaker 2: Right, and I think that you know, I think if

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Speaker 2: Look through it more than be stuck in it, if

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Speaker 1: I had an uncle, doctor Lowenstein, and he told me

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Speaker 2: I think I don't know about you, but I grew

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Speaker 2: it was always a big thing. Wasn't I usual up

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Speaker 2: some medication. It's not the worst thing in the world.

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Speaker 2: There's good medications to that or for anxiety. We don't

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Speaker 1: Talking to doctor David Lowenstein. Lowenstein and Associates is based

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Speaker 1: on Columbus D. R. Lowenstein dot com with Stirling on

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Speaker 1: the big one. So does the phobia issue, whether it's

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Speaker 2: Or they're all under those are all under the anxiety

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Speaker 1: Built into support system by way of credentials and experience.

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Speaker 1: That's right, it's a beautiful thing to have that one

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I was well, I was well willing to do

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Speaker 1: Now, how does this stuff usually like the genesis of

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Speaker 1: Well, that helps I feel better, like you've helped already somehow,

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Speaker 1: Doctor David Lowenstein, thank you for making time, and hopefully

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Speaker 4: who was it? Which was the rapper that did that movie?

436
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 4: Was that outcast or it was?

437
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:41,640
Speaker 5: Yeah?

438
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah that that That mask is terrible.

439
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 4: It's it looks really really bad. But then they kind

440
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 4: of made it really kind of dark and creepy in

441
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 4: the reboots and the I think in a second rob

442
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 4: Zombie movie, he just kind of gets rid of the

443
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,440
Speaker 4: mask at a certain point. He's just this bearded guy

444
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 4: he looks like a like a almost man. But but no,

445
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 4: Jason had the mask, and once he got the mask,

446
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 4: he was it was the mask was him and I

447
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 4: mean iconic. I mean it is the it is the

448
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 4: epitome of an iconic slasher character.

449
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: That's true.

450
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 5: It is.

451
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 1: Are there are a lot of those. I'm trying to

452
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Speaker 1: think there have been a lot of different types of

453
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,679
Speaker 1: slasher movies, but as franchises go, I mean there are

454
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Speaker 1: twelve of those so far. I think is that right?

455
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 1: Maybe more than that? Or is it just twelve? Friday

456
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: the thirteenth it had at thirteen. It seems inappropriate.

457
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 4: When he went to Space that was ten. I think

458
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 4: that was because it was Jason X. And then they

459
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,680
Speaker 4: did the Freddy versus Jason and then they did the

460
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 4: Friday the Thirteenth reboot and I think that was it.

461
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 4: Then like the rights to it got all caught up

462
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 4: in a quagmire. But you see, here's the problem with

463
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 4: what they're doing with slasher movies now, is they they

464
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 4: make a Friday the Thirteenth movie and they wanted to

465
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Speaker 4: make one hundred million dollars, and you're like, those movies

466
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 4: never made a hundred million dollars. They would make the

467
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 4: movie for like a million bucks and they put it

468
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 4: in theaters and it would make twenty which isn't great,

469
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 4: but it's a huge return on their investment. That's basically

470
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 4: the business plan that Bumhouse shoses for their movies. They

471
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 4: make them on the cheap, and then if they make

472
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Speaker 4: thirty five forty million dollars worldwide, they're a huge hit.

473
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's huge money. I mean, I don't know why

474
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: anybody would be unhappy with that.

475
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 4: Well, it depends on how much you spent on the movie.

476
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Speaker 1: I mean, but that plan, I mean, what you just

477
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: described makes the most sense. You know, you put a

478
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Speaker 1: little in, you get a little more out, then you

479
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 1: do it again.

480
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

481
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Speaker 4: And I mean it's like, because here's the thing, because

482
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Speaker 4: when they did the Friday the Thirteenth reboot, they brought

483
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Speaker 4: in some names they I mean not huge names, but

484
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 4: they had uh it's the guy he was on Supernatural,

485
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 4: he was in that.

486
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Speaker 3: Uh.

487
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 4: And then they had like like other characters and actors

488
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Speaker 4: that were kind of big in the well it would

489
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 4: have been the mo Llennials, I guess at the time.

490
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 4: But the whole thing is that you don't need any

491
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 4: stars you have the hockey mask. You don't need big

492
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 4: names with You don't need to spend thirty million dollars

493
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: just to get your actors to show up.

494
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you just need to guy to wear

495
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: a mask.

496
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and get like unknowns are going to work for scale.

497
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 4: I mean that's honestly, Paramount needs to hand me the

498
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 4: keys of that franchise.

499
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Speaker 1: Well, let's do it. I'm going to tag along. I will,

500
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 1: I will clean masks, I will do whatever's necessary. I mean,

501
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 1: we have to do it in the winter, so I can.

502
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: I can leave her go there where it's warm and

503
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: then come back in time for baseball.

504
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 4: Well, but that's that's the thing, even though it's Friday

505
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 4: the thirteenth now, because you cannot control when Friday the

506
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 4: thirteenth happened in February. It's true, but and it's hard.

507
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 4: The Friday the thirteenth movies are summer franchise because it's

508
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 4: summer camp. They go to summer camp. Halloween obviously is

509
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 4: a fall franchise. And you know, like leather Face is

510
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 4: just driving through rural Texas in the heat.

511
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta you know, dismember some people, I guess,

512
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: and on film, I mean in entertainment. Yeah, no, no,

513
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: no accents like we're gonna get in all kinds of trouble.

514
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: I don't need more meetings. I don't need more emails.

515
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 1: I don't need more trouble. Kevin Carr, by the way,

516
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: sober gaggle on the substack was struggling on it. If

517
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: I can shift it, I'm gonna shift it. Absolutely, Yes,

518
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: all day, every day. But I mean I own mind,

519
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: that's for sure.

520
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 6: Now.

521
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: So we cover the Halloween and we covered obviously the paramount,

522
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: which is a bad mixing of names of the Friday

523
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: the thirteen because it's a date specific.

524
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 4: Now I want it like Newline had it first. I

525
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 4: don't know who owns the rights right now. It's it's

526
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 4: been a mess.

527
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: Well that's all right. I mean we're not paying extra.

528
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: We're just talking about it. So it's okay. We probably

529
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: helped them. You did something else, which is uh, I

530
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: think is tremendous. Now, did you and missus Carr get

531
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: to do this together? Sometimes maybe you do a screening together.

532
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: This may be one of those you saw with Wuthering Heights,

533
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: which I think they've done. Speak of a franchise. How

534
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: many times have they done that.

535
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know, it's been four or five at least.

536
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 4: I mean there have been big ones and then they

537
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 4: do like TV movies as well. Now, look, I'm gonna

538
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 4: just be honest. I've never read Wuthering Heights.

539
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to hold against you.

540
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not going to just just I'm in my

541
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 4: fifties at this point. The time has passed. It is

542
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 4: not on my bucket list.

543
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: Is that an assignment that we blew off and didn't

544
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: do or is it just that we missed it as

545
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: a recreational endeavor or what?

546
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 4: It just didn't happen to be on the list that

547
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 4: I was supposed to read. But I mean I had

548
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 4: I didn't read the Scarlet Letter either, though I took

549
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 4: a test on it.

550
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: But did you watch the movie?

551
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: No?

552
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 4: I I got the cliff notes. You know how this works.

553
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 4: Come on, So, but no, I've never read any of

554
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 4: the Bronte stuff or or Bronte. I guess it is

555
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 4: Bronti and but but Emily Bronte wrote whether in Heights.

556
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 4: Never read it. I kind of looked at the I

557
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 4: wanted to see how different the Wikipedia entry was to

558
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 4: the movie. That's the absolute depth of my research for this.

559
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 4: But I went to go see the movie. I did

560
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 4: not go see it with my wife. She probably would

561
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 4: not have been wanted to be in the theater with me,

562
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of me rolling my eyes and

563
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: checking my phone to see how much longer there.

564
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: Was in the movie.

565
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: Never a good sign.

566
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Speaker 4: It's not my cup of tea. It does deviate from

567
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,479
Speaker 4: what I understand. It does deviate quite a bit from

568
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 4: the original story. But it's a story of this well.

569
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Speaker 4: And here's the thing with any of these sort of

570
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: I gets the brunty stuff and the like the Jane

571
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 4: Austin stuff. It's like always about a family that's wealthy

572
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 4: enough to own land and have servants, but they're not rich,

573
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 4: if that makes sense. You know, there's always the envy

574
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 4: and the want of being more affluent and trying to

575
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 4: marry into that. So even though they're landowners and they

576
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 4: have servants, they're like, oh, we're not rich. And I'm like,

577
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 4: you kind of are rich in the peerage you're in,

578
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: but you just don't feel like you're rich. And it's

579
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 4: a story of this woman who grew up and in

580
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 4: this Her family was a landowner, but the dad was

581
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 4: a drunk played by Doc Martin and her tumultuous love

582
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 4: affair and relationship with one of the wards that they

583
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: take on named Heathcliff, not the cat, but yeah, that

584
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 4: would be really cool to have if they would just

585
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 4: if they would see gi out Jacob Alordi in this

586
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 4: and then put the giant cat in there, that would

587
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 4: have been really funny. And it's their tumultuous relationship, but

588
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 4: it's it's real toxic in this one, and they dial

589
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 4: that up because it's not necessarily that way in the book.

590
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 4: My biggest thing is they had to give this role

591
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 4: to two of the most attractive people on the planet

592
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 4: right now, Margot Robbie and Jacob Alordi, because if this

593
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 4: were a if they grew up looking like Quentin Tarantino,

594
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 4: it would be a very different movie. It would be

595
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 4: a horror film. It would be rivaling any of the

596
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 4: franchises we had already talked about, because these people are horrible,

597
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 4: horrible people, full of envy and wrath and cruelty. It's

598
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 4: just they're awful, awful, horrible people. And I wanted a

599
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 4: meteorite to hit the moors.

600
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: In this one.

601
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: That would be a different movie. Altogether, which we've seen,

602
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: and I think I liked that one and I liked

603
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 1: what you just described too. Okay, so this sounds obviously

604
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: like one that clearly Russ Jackson will also want to

605
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: avoiding the show and I have, but you at least

606
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: laid it out there. Perhaps someone may go, you know,

607
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: that sounds like the perfect movie for Valentine's.

608
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very divisive, and I mean, there are people

609
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 4: who are gonna love it. They will because but it

610
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 4: is that they're both just just totally wrecked and damaged

611
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 4: people who cannot get over themselves. And that's dialed up

612
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 4: beyond what was in the original book. And I just

613
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 4: hated every minute of them on screen. And the only

614
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 4: thing that made it worth watchable is it has beautiful

615
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 4: cinematography and composition and all that kind of stuff. And yes,

616
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 4: Margot Robbie's attracted to look at I am happy to

617
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 4: watch her on screen. And she's a good actor. That's

618
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 4: the thing. It's it was. It's not a good film,

619
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 4: but it's like, do you remember she was in that

620
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 4: one movie it was either Last Summer or Fall, The Big, Bold,

621
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 4: Beautiful Journey with Colin Farrell. Yeah, and her character was

622
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 4: just just a piece of crap net too, And I'm

623
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: just like, just get herself. I mean, honestly, when you

624
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 4: know she played famously Harley Quinn in multiple movies, When

625
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 4: Harley Quinn is the most centered and balanced character you've

626
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: played in the last two years, you might want to

627
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: take some different choices.

628
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: Different medication for something. And once upon a time in Hollywood,

629
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: she was great that too. We watched that together, we

630
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: went to.

631
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Speaker 4: The Yeah, I'm a huge Margot Robbie fan. And the

632
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 4: reason I'm a huge Margaret Robbie fan is cause here's

633
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: the thing with her. She is so attractive. I mean,

634
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 4: just like if you were to say, like, just do

635
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 4: all the cemetery and draw the most contractive woman on

636
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 4: the planet, you would a lot of people would draw

637
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 4: Margot Robbie and not even realize it. But she's so

638
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 4: attractive that that actually, I think is a hindrance to

639
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 4: her because she's not approachable because she's so good looking.

640
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 4: You can't think of her as the girl next door.

641
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 4: But she's such a good actor that she transcends that.

642
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 4: And I think that that that says a lot about

643
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 4: her as a performer, because if you look at a

644
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 4: lot of other people, like, you know, like Julia Roberts.

645
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 4: Take take Julie Roberts as an example, pretty woman, all

646
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 4: this stuff. There's there's things about her when you look

647
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 4: at her face, it's not it's not what you would

648
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 4: say always classically attractive. There's there's always like something quirky

649
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 4: or or different about it. And you get that with

650
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 4: like Reese Withers, Re's Witherspoon, you know, even somebody like

651
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 4: Jennifer Lawrence, who's a beautiful woman. She is, but she

652
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Speaker 4: does kind of have that girl next door quality. Marco

653
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Speaker 4: Robbie does.

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00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: Not really like creepy there. I was like, yes she is.

655
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: I was creeping myself out for a minute. I'm like, yeah,

656
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: she dude, her family could be listening. They're just down

657
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: the road, I know, I know, just down a lot

658
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: of it. So yeah, how dare you they know she's

659
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: good looking?

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Speaker 8: I mean they do.

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Speaker 1: She's crazy talented and she's putting babies out now in

662
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Speaker 1: movies and she's just getting it done.

663
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Speaker 4: So I mean, you know they're not on the open market, man, No, No, but.

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Speaker 1: I mean she's she's having a family and a life

665
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: and living it and making great work and this is

666
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: gotten creepy and we only have a minute now. I

667
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: want to talk about this AI video with Tom curls

668
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: a brown pit and it's gone viral and people are

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Speaker 1: very upset, including those in the Motion Picture Association, because

670
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: this is the concern that they have. In a minute

671
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: or so, can you make sense of.

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00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: This or no?

673
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 4: Okay? The bottom line is as much as fun as

674
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 4: AI is to generate images, it at its heart lives

675
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 4: and it's built on plagiarism because it takes other work

676
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 4: that artists have done without paying them and redistributes it

677
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 4: in a new image, and that's not good. But the

678
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 4: problem is you will always need a human element to

679
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 4: make it just not look like a computer did it,

680
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: no matter what you do. Yes, this is cool, and

681
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 4: yeah you can see Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise's face,

682
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: but there's no story, there's no plot, there's no anything there.

683
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 4: And you could generate a yeah, oh sure you're gonna

684
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Speaker 4: get AI to do like the Hallmark Christmas movies because

685
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: those are all formulaic, but you're not gonna get it

686
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 4: to do the real, good human stuff. And there is

687
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 4: a certain human performance level there. It's it's just I've

688
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 4: always felt this stuff is kitchy. There's a place for AI,

689
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 4: and it's to do the crap work that nobody wants

690
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 4: to do. Like use it to clean out the code

691
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 4: in computer language. There's all this garbage code in computer language.

692
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 4: Or use it. Use AI to find the AI stuff

693
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 4: on Facebook and social media and on the internet, and

694
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 4: then carve that out so you don't see it. But

695
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 4: don't use it to try to replace human artists because

696
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 4: you get this. But because they're now using big name actors,

697
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: Hollywood is upset and they're like, no, no, no, that's

698
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 4: our brand and you can't infringe upon it.

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00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: Right, So if it was us, nobody cared. We complain

700
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: and people go, so well, have to get over yourself.

701
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,719
Speaker 1: So you can find out what Kevin does. You can

702
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: get him in your mailbox electronically virtually. The silver gecko

703
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: on substack is where you can find Kevin. Thank you

704
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: for making time and doing what you do.

705
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much. Thank you for doing what

706
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 4: you do. You're you're a prince of a man.

707
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: You're searching so far.

708
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 4: Try to come up with something I know.

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Speaker 1: Have another for me and enjoy the night. I'll talk

710
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: to you later. It's Kevin Carr right, I'll see you later.

711
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: Straight away your ten o'clock report. Brady knows what's up.

712
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: He will disseminate mass quantities of information. And how about

713
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: your scurity system at home? In your door barrow camera

714
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: maybe spying on you, your neighbors? Can law enforcement get it?

715
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: Can somebody else get it? Even if you said no,

716
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: you don't want to share or even have that data

717
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: backed up? Dave Hatter joins me. Next, we'll talk cybersecurity

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Speaker 1: on the Home of the Reds with Sterling seven hundred WLW,

719
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 1: Cincinnati tuck of time from nineteen eighty four to twenty

720
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Speaker 1: twenty six. Do you feel these Orwellian times where big

721
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: brothers up in your business, in my business, under the

722
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: guise of well, it's for your own safety and security.

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00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: How you doing It's? Sterling hanging out, cybersecurity expert mayor

724
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: at large from Northern Kentucky getting it done. Dave Hatter,

725
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: who is going to be up early? Of course Gary

726
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: Jeff too, as it usually is. Tenfoil Hatter, otherwise I'm

727
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: wearing one too right now, Dave Hatter, I appreciate you

728
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: being here on a Friday. Sterling on seven hundred WLW.

729
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: I had to text you today. I thought about it

730
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: earlier in the week and I it was ben sort

731
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: of bewildered. In the last couple of days there have

732
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: been a couple of stories that have gotten attention. The

733
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: horrible case of the stolen Nancy Guthrie or kidnapped we

734
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: don't know and hopefully still alive and well in bits

735
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: and information and identifiable features and videos have been captured

736
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: with the help of law enforcement. But was interesting from

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00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: doorbell cameras to other security system cameras around her house

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Speaker 1: and in the neighborhood. Is it apparently even if you

739
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: don't pay for the service, even if you're not saving data,

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00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: that apparently that can be given to law enforcement with

741
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: a request. And I guess the question here that I

742
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: have also is what does that mean for your privacy

743
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,720
Speaker 1: or my prophecy for cameras that are in our homes

744
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: and are around our backyards as well as not just

745
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: those facing public areas.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: Sterling, first off, thanks for having me on as always,

748
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 3: and you really hit the nail right on the head.

749
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Speaker 3: And I would suggest folks, that was a great leading

750
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 3: By the way, go listen to the Kansas Songs of

751
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: the Tempest from Pointing No Return. It's a prophetic song

752
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 3: from the late seventies and I'll just leave it that.

753
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: Go look it up listeners. But this is this whole

754
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 3: thing is so interesting. I mean, it's a traffic situation

755
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 3: with Nancy Guthrie and this this whole Nest camera thing.

756
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: So you know, there's been a lot of speculation, and

757
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: green cameras have gotten the black eye recently from the

758
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: Super Bowl ads. But so NaSTA is Google's brand, Ring

759
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: is Amazon's brand. These things are more or less similar.

760
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: And you know, we will enough to know. I'm not

761
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Speaker 3: a big fan of the Internet of Things aka smart

762
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 3: devices for any variety of reasons. But when you look

763
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Speaker 3: at this situation that has occurred here. So when the

764
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Speaker 3: news broke that somehow the FBI was able to get

765
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Speaker 3: video off this Nest doorbell camera, and then it said

766
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 3: they said, well, but she doesn't have a subscription, so

767
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: how did they get the data? Several people asked me

768
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: the question. I said, well, I don't know, if I

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Speaker 3: had to guess. You know, most devices that can connect

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00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 3: to the internet, AK and slash the cloud have some

771
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 3: kind of local storage, right They're going to store your

772
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 3: data on an sdtard or some kind of local storage

773
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: hard disk or whatever for some period of time, because

774
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 3: you lose your Internet connection at times, right, so if

775
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: it's all just pure screaming, you would lose that video.

776
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 3: So there's some local storage. Typically maybe they got it

777
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: off the local storage, but apparently what has come out

778
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: since then is that's not the case. They didn't get

779
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: it off the local storage. So I'm reading from one

780
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Speaker 3: of the many stories out there on this subject starting

781
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Speaker 3: and I encourage your listeners to go check this out themselves.

782
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Speaker 3: FBI Director Cash Petel said yesterday that investigators recovered footage

783
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: from Savannah Guph's mother's doorbell camera using quote residual data

784
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: located and back end systems. So what does that mean, Well,

785
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: apparently these Nest cameras are sending data back into the

786
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 3: Google Cloud, even if you don't have a quote subscription

787
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: to use their cloud service. And it really gets down

788
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 3: to at the end of the day, and this is

789
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: something I've tried to explain to people for decades. If

790
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 3: you delete something surly, if you go into your computer

791
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: and you delete something, it is not actually removed. You're

792
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 3: telling the computer to make the space that whatever that

793
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 3: data was video, audio, or document, whatever, make that space

794
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 3: available so something else could overwrite it. And if nothing

795
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 3: else over writes it, guess what, That data is still

796
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 3: there and easily retrievable by like a third grader. You

797
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 3: don't have to have that now once that data gets overwritten,

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00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: And there are software tools out there in ways to

799
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Speaker 3: actually purge data in a more permanent way, including up

800
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: to destroying the device. But just deleting something does not

801
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 3: remove the data. And apparently in this case, there's two

802
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 3: things that work here. These Nest cameras from Google are

803
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 3: sending data often at the Google Cloud, even if you

804
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 3: don't have a quote cloud based subscription. That's how they

805
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: recover this. And even if something is deleted, it's touched

806
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 3: many systems along the way. There's no guarantee that it's

807
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 3: ever been deleted. And this is one of the reasons

808
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: why I thoroughly despise the Internet of Things aka smart devices.

809
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: We are literally in this Orwellian world now, and I

810
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: get in this case, Sterling, this is helpful to this

811
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: investigation in this tragic case. But does the average person

812
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,479
Speaker 3: realize that the device that they're using, their smart coffee maker,

813
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 3: their doorbell, their thermostat, they're refrigerator or whatever is potentially

814
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 3: sending data often at the cloud, and that data is

815
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: particularly permanent. I don't think they do.

816
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Speaker 1: It's quite troubling. Da've hat or cybersecurity expert with Sterling

817
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLWS. So you mentioned the multitude of

818
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: devices that we have that are intelligent and smart now,

819
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: that are interactive, that make our lives easier many times,

820
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Speaker 1: But if they're constantly scraping with data, constantly recording. And

821
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Speaker 1: we've joked about this, and I've done it off the

822
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: year with other friends as well. Had conversations drinking beers

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you're on your phone, you're

824
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: getting ready to leave it and pop up, well there's

825
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: ads about stuff we've talked about, and they're like, no,

826
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Speaker 1: that's in your head. So there is validity, clearly, it

827
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Speaker 1: seems to the fact that it is our devices are

828
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Speaker 1: listening and monitoring. It's not just from text, it's not

829
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Speaker 1: just from email correct when it comes to placing ads

830
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Speaker 1: and maybe even something more. How deep does this go

831
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Speaker 1: do you think?

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Speaker 3: Dave had he, I think it goes very deep storing.

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Speaker 3: So first off, I just want to remind people if

834
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Speaker 3: you have a device that can interact with you when

835
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Speaker 3: you talk to it, well, it must be listening to you, right,

836
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: it must be listening to you. Now, theoretically it's waiting

837
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Speaker 3: for you to say the wake word, the hot word,

838
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: or whatever. Hey, hey, Google, Hey, let's so whatever that

839
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 3: might be. We've probably just set a bunch of those off,

840
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 3: by the way, And I will also say before I continue,

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00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 3: I have none of these things. But it has to

842
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: be listening to you in order for it to activate

843
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 3: when you wanted to do something. So then the question

844
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 3: becomes and there are studies out there, well documented studies,

845
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 3: where they've taken a bunch of these so called digital

846
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 3: assistants and put them in a room and just turned

847
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 3: on a TV to see how often they activate when

848
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 3: someone has not said the official word. I think if

849
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: you look into that you might find that that is

850
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 3: quite disturbing. And Google recently settled the case, and Apple

851
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 3: recently settled the case around people claiming that their devices

852
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: were listening to them and recording things and doing things

853
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: when they should not have because the weight word was

854
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: not activated, so are not issued. So again this is

855
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 3: all well documented. Google just settled like a sixty eight

856
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 3: million dollar case in Apple, like a ninety five million

857
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 3: dollar case on this subject, I would argue, Now, I'm

858
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 3: not an attorney starting, but I would argue, well, did

859
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: they settle because you know, sixty eight million dollars is

860
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 3: about one minute worth a revenue for Google, or and

861
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 3: it's not worth our effort? Or did they settle because

862
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 3: they don't really want discovery? Where under legal scrutiny it

863
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 3: might come out that these things are real. But again,

864
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: they have to be listening to you. So then the

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Speaker 3: question is, well, what are they recording? Where does that

866
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 3: day to go? Are they only activating under you know,

867
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: explicit situations? And I can just tell you this in

868
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: all cases, the Internet of Things is designed not for

869
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 3: you as a consumer. It's designed for the people that

870
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: make it right. It's speed to market, it's market share,

871
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 3: fees of use. If you go get some device, smart

872
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 3: TV or whatever, anything that you could talk to and

873
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 3: is going to act on your behalf and it's really

874
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: hard for.

875
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 2: You to use, will you keep using it?

876
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: Well no, the answer is no, of course not. So

877
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 3: they focus on all of the things that are in

878
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 3: their interest, all of the things that are designed to

879
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 3: capture your data, monetize your data. The Internet of Things

880
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 3: is not your friend. And that's I have as few

881
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 3: of these devices as I can get. But the problem,

882
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 3: Stirling is it's hard to find anything. It's not quote

883
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: smart unquote anymore. Like why do I need my toaster

884
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 3: to tell me when my toast is ready? Why do

885
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,479
Speaker 3: I need my coffee maker to send me a text?

886
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: I don't I don't want any of this stuff. And

887
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: this story, again, while in this limited situation and the

888
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: traged situation we're dealing here with Nancy du three, it's

889
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: helpful to her these things are essentially or well in

890
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: spy devices. They're a security privacy dumpster fire, and the

891
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 3: less of them you have, the better. And this story just.

892
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: Proves it who owns the data? And I this bleeds

893
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: to something else. And it's a controversial story now, and

894
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: I don't want it to be controversial in the traditional way,

895
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: but it's controversial for another for instance, border patrol ice

896
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: in the Twin Cities. They've used it elsewhere, but we've

897
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: found out that they will use data that they acquire

898
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: by purchase from either apps on phones or device whoever

899
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: manufacture the devices, if they're in an area, so they're

900
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: not legally able to spy on people in a specific

901
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: area their transmission their data, phones, devices, et cetera. But

902
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: if they pay for the app to share the information

903
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: with them, they circumvent the law and an invasion of

904
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: privacy and then are able to track down people who

905
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: may or may not be going about their normal day

906
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: of life or may have been sort of observing or interfering,

907
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: which we nobody wants when it comes to law enforcement

908
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: doing their work. But that gets into a very deep,

909
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: ugly scary thing when you're talking about there is a

910
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: law that doesn't allow the government to directly spy on people,

911
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: but then they just pay a third party to do

912
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: it anyway, And you wonder who actually the third party is.

913
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the CIA or another dark government kind of entity.

914
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: How deep does that go and how regularly is that

915
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: being used, because that is a whole other layer to this.

916
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: Well, you're exactly right, And even if you take out

917
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: ICE or any of the sort of more controversial things

918
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: we've seen recently, this has been ongoing concern for some time.

919
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 3: The apps on your phone, the phone itself, all of

920
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: your other so called smart devices, all the websites you

921
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 3: visit are capturing an enormous amount of data about you

922
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 3: because it can be monetized to sell you ads and

923
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: be sold to other companies and so forth. I don't

924
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 3: know if I have time to get into it tonight,

925
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: but assume we should talk about surveillance capitalism, the idea

926
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: that because there's so much data collected about you, you're

927
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: getting different prices than perhaps I am. But to answer

928
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: your question specifically, yes, you're exactly right.

929
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 7: Right.

930
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 3: You have under the Fourth Amendment the right to be

931
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 3: free of unnecessary circumcisure and that sort of thing.

932
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 6: Right.

933
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: But what you don't have is the right to say,

934
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to install an app on my phone and

935
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: the app is going to collect an enormous amount of

936
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 3: data saretaciously about me in the background. I don't understand

937
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 3: the privacy policy. It's a confusopoly. I just say yes.

938
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: And now this thing is basically collecting an enormous amount

939
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: of data about me, It's going to a third party,

940
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: which is perhaps being sold to fourth parties, and then yes,

941
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: the government or frankly anyone can buy that data. And

942
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 3: to your point, exactly, this is all well documented government

943
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: law enforcement agencies will buy that data and then use

944
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 3: it for a variety of purposes. You don't have to

945
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: take my word for this, Sterling. This is all well

946
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: documented and it's a simple way for the government to

947
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 3: circumvent your Fourth Amendment rights because you've given up any

948
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: premise of privacy and the Fourth Ammitted by voluntarily making

949
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 3: your data to these third parties, who then do who

950
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: knows what with it? Are they all? Well?

951
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: Um, sorry to interrupt time. This short and this is

952
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: so deep. Dave had it, by the way, cybersecurity, I

953
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: sure was stirling on the big one. How can people

954
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: find out more about what you do on a regular

955
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: basis because you do a lot for businesses, individuals and

956
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,439
Speaker 1: stuff too, and not just mayor Yeah.

957
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: I appreciate you act and I do have a real

958
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 3: job as a cybersecurity consultant interest and you know I privacy, security,

959
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 3: These are all increasingly important things that are increasingly digital society.

960
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: You could find me on x you can find me

961
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: on LinkedIn. I mean, I'm out there. I share information

962
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 3: about this all the time, and I appreciate you giving

963
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: me the opportunity to talk about it because I think

964
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 3: the average person looks at the convenience factor and the

965
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: coolest factor of these devices and says, hey, this is cool.

966
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 3: I like this. It does this thing for me, it

967
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 3: saves me time. But they don't really understand the potential

968
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: negative downside of this with all of this data collection

969
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: in all the ways it can be used against them.

970
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 3: So I'm not a fan of the Internet of things

971
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: aka smart devices. I have as few as possible. What

972
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: I do have is not connected to the Internet. And

973
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: that's my advice to most people until we get to

974
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: a place where your privacy and your security are foremost

975
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 3: in the minds of people making me things, and trust me,

976
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 3: that is the furthest possible thing from the truth. At

977
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: this point, the less of this stuff you have the

978
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: betterest Yeah x at LinkedIn, I'm out there. I talk

979
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: about this stuff all the time. I'm trying to help

980
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: people understand it and Sterning, I appreciate you giving me

981
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: a chance to raise awareness because this mess can of

982
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 3: thing in the gou three case, If people really start

983
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 3: to dig into this and really see what's happened here,

984
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: I think they will find it very disturbing and hopefully

985
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 3: they'll start to divest themselves of these Internet of things devices.

986
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: It's an amazing thing. And the story that was so

987
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: high profile with the dentist and the wife of his

988
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: that was murdered by her ex, and they were able

989
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: to capture video thankfully, to track him down, to identify

990
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: him as he came in and out of that area,

991
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: and that was also from other people's cameras and so on.

992
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: Some they gave up, as I understand, maybe some that

993
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: you know, was somehow gone after in short order. The

994
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: thing that's interesting to me, and I'm already late, I'm sorry,

995
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 1: but the idea that any third party can buy the data,

996
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: are they able to be target specific?

997
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: Do you know?

998
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: Just the final question here to say, Okay, I want

999
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: to I want to know about Dave Hatter, I want

1000
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: to know about Sterling, I want to know about you know,

1001
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: Rocky Boyman or are Willie or whomever in that situation

1002
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: and then pull data and scrape it that way, and

1003
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: that could be from anyone, any actor, foreign or otherwise correct.

1004
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 3: The answer is yes, great, And as we add more

1005
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 3: and more of this stuff into our lives and more

1006
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: data is collected, the ability to get increasingly granular profile

1007
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 3: data about you just keeps going out. Yeah, it's it's

1008
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 3: not necessarily in this areas, but it can be used

1009
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 3: in ways that are ultimately not good for you. And

1010
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 3: again stirring all this table. The less of this stuff

1011
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 3: you have, the better, And I'm hoping that this story

1012
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 3: will get more people to realize this stuff is not

1013
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 3: helping you.

1014
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: Well, let's leave it there now that I'm even more disturbed.

1015
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 1: On a Friday the thirteenth, they've had or cybersecurity expert

1016
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: with Sterling on the big one. Thank you for making time.

1017
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: Enjoyed the rest of your weekend, and I'm going to

1018
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: try to put my head down and calm down just

1019
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: a little bit.

1020
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 3: Back back to the bunk to Sterling.

1021
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, there you go, the news straight away, your

1022
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: ten third or report more Sterling seven hundred WLW Malette

1023
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 1: hall is lock good, RedHawks, Miami sixty one forty eight,

1024
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: leading Ohio's Bobcats twenty four and oh looking to make

1025
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: it twenty five and Oho Ring twenty third in the country.

1026
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: Maybe should be higher, but some argue there the MAC,

1027
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: so you know they'll be all right, that's going on.

1028
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: We'll keep you updated throughout the night. How you doing

1029
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: in Sterling, hanging out, Rush Jackson producing I think Travis

1030
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: Laird is tagged in for news, so we'll get him

1031
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: in about the twenty minutes or so with your eleven

1032
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: clock report Tomorrow. Marquette rolls into Syentas Xavier Big East

1033
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: matchup three o'clock tip off here on seven hundred wl

1034
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: W Sunday afternoon, twelve o'clock. Ken Brew tease it up,

1035
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: mixing metaphors and sports. Don't get mad. The Utes of

1036
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: Utah head into Cincinnati Fifth Third Arena take on the

1037
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: basketball bear Cats. Yeah. So there's a lot going on,

1038
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: and in a week's time, Reds Baseball back on the

1039
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: Big One. Everyone looking to get to work in the desert,

1040
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: get ready in goodyear and getting at and including mister

1041
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: Goodvibes himself a Henio Suarez. So looking forward to that

1042
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: sooner than later. A lot of ground to cover between

1043
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: now and midnight. Let's open up the phones five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven,

1044
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: eight hundred the Big One. Give you a chance to

1045
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: sound off. Earlier, talked to a doctor, David Loewensteam He

1046
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: is a psychologist, a therapist, about phobias, the X function,

1047
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: and being Friday the thirteenth. A lot of people a

1048
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: little wigged out by the whole thing. And I'm not

1049
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: quite exactly sure how Friday the thirteenth became a bad

1050
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: thing overall the history of that, but my entire career

1051
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: as a human I have heard about it, and people

1052
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: have talked about it and said that we should be

1053
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: scared of it and so on, And certainly a movie

1054
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: franchise with the Friday the thirteenth kind of scenario which

1055
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: put a different type of a different type of fear.

1056
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: See in the back of my head that just doing

1057
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: a bad, ugly situation like the transpires and I'm nearby,

1058
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: I start hearing that automatically in there. I'm wondering, what

1059
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: are you afraid of? Rational or maybe irrational fear. I

1060
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: have no fear of Friday the thirteenth, other than maybe

1061
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 1: a crappy movie generally. But sometimes bad things happen, and

1062
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: it's nice to sort of point the finger of blame

1063
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: at the world around us and how things just somehow,

1064
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: spiritually or supernaturally you're in control, and it's not me

1065
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: or Russ Jackson controlling the scary sounds that are going

1066
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: through our heads right now. Even on the iHeartRadio app

1067
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: in the middle of August, just somebody's taping a break

1068
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: on what are you talking about? I don't know it's true, though,

1069
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: I will share this with you. Yesterday I was driving

1070
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: Mom around and took her to a doctor's appointment. And

1071
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: I'm in the lobby waiting, as a good sons will

1072
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: do on occasion, and I'm sharing the waiting room with

1073
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: some other people, and there are a couple of women

1074
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: behind the counter working the desk in this place, and

1075
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: I hear them talking about stuff that creeps them out

1076
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 1: and freaks them out. And the woman and I was

1077
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: gonna I thought about asking if I could record her

1078
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: and ask her again, but it seemed a little odd.

1079
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: But she and her co worker were talking about like

1080
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: she offered her yogurt. Is how it started. I wasn't

1081
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: trying to listen. I was in my phone, minded my

1082
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: own business, watching some type of health screening video on

1083
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: the monitor in front of me, and just looking at news,

1084
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what I was going to do

1085
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: on the show, and trying to effectively kill time. But

1086
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: she offered her a yogurt, which I heard, and she goes, oh,

1087
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: hell no, I can't eat that yogurt. The consistency is

1088
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: all wrong. It just creeps me out. I'm scared of that.

1089
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: I won't eat apple sauce either. And then she went

1090
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: on down a list of other stuff, and I'm trying

1091
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: not to seem like I'm eavesdropping and getting engaged in

1092
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: this conversation that had nothing to do with me. But

1093
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: the dude to my right he laughed out loud, and

1094
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: there was another woman around the corner I hadn't seen,

1095
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: and she about fell out of her chair then, and

1096
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: she was like on the phone and she's talking to

1097
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: someone else about it. So then it got me thinking

1098
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: of other stuff that you may have irrational or unusual

1099
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: fear of. I have a friend of mine who I

1100
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: used to work with, and I remember bringing food in

1101
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: or having it brought in to work in the office area,

1102
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: and this dude has a problem with aluminum foil, which

1103
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 1: initially I was like, what you have like a filling.

1104
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: You've had a piece of foil, like when you've bitten

1105
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: a sandwich, you know, and gotten some of the foil

1106
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: rap rather than just the hamburger that you want or

1107
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: something along those lines, and that hits that filling, and

1108
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: then of course that's one of the worst pains you

1109
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 1: can possibly feel, He goes, No, the texture, the sound,

1110
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: all of it. It's crinkly, it's uncomfortable. It has scared him,

1111
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: he said, since he was a child and I was like,

1112
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: did you have a problem? Did someone wrap you in

1113
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: aluminum foil? At some point? What happened? How did this happen?

1114
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: He goes, I don't know, And I would say that's

1115
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 1: probably an irrational fear. In that type of circumstance, some

1116
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: people have, you know, fears of other things. Sometimes it's food. Now,

1117
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of liver, but I'm not a fan

1118
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: of liver.

1119
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: Right.

1120
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: I like locks and bagels, and I like sushi with sam,

1121
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: but I don't like cooked salmon. Makes no sense. It

1122
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: creeps me out. But it's not like a phobia. I

1123
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: don't have a fear of it. But there are people

1124
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: who have serious fears. Maybe it's a flying which I

1125
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 1: understand because on paper it makes no sense. If you're

1126
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 1: flying a commercial airliner generally speaking, right cruising out to

1127
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: it's about five miles up, you're going about five hundred

1128
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: miles an hour, and you are in a metal tube,

1129
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: a revenue tube. Is our good friend Jay Ratliffe would

1130
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: like to say our aviation expert here at the Big One.

1131
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: So I'm asking, what are you afraid of? Be it

1132
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: rationally or irrationally on this Friday the thirteenth. Zoo Phobia

1133
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: is a fear of animals, and that can be all

1134
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: kinds of anxiety, like written type of circumstances. And it

1135
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: doesn't even have to be like a zoo animal like

1136
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: that new cat they picked up at the Cincinnati Zoo.

1137
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: If you hadn't already heard what it'll be at the

1138
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: Cheetah Encounters. As I understand it, it's a server ball

1139
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: cat or something like that. People are afraid of cats

1140
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: my aunts and she she probably won't admit it now,

1141
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: but as a kid, I know that she had a

1142
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: problem with it, and my mom told me that. I

1143
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: asked her if it was true, and then she just

1144
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: sort of like shied away from him, like yeah, maybe

1145
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 1: she's afraid that, like a regular house cat would steal

1146
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 1: her breath in her sleep. I'm not sure where that

1147
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: came from. And she's grown now. She's one of my

1148
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: mom's siblings, so she's older than me, and that still

1149
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: resonates with her. So sometimes it's real, sometimes it's not,

1150
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: but it will affect us all the same way five

1151
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: point three seven, four ninety seven, eight hundred, the big one.

1152
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: I woant to know what to freaks you out, be

1153
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: it Friday the thirteenth, or flying or cold water compared

1154
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: to hot water. I have no idea. What's going on, Frank,

1155
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: how's life felt, Fort Thomas tonight?

1156
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: Oh? It's going great ahead, And to go a good man.

1157
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 4: What scares?

1158
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 3: Do you have?

1159
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: Your rational fear or a legitimate phobia or.

1160
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 7: What no rational fear?

1161
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 9: But I got a little history lesson for it.

1162
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 7: Yes, you're unsure why Friday the thirteenth is considered I'm

1163
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 7: lucky or scary? Yeah, well it dates back to the

1164
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 7: thirteen hundreds, and I remember correctly. The basically the King

1165
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 7: of France ordered that all the knights Templar be arrested

1166
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 7: and because they're gaining too much power, right, and that

1167
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 7: those arrests and then murders occurred on a Friday of thirteenth,

1168
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 7: And that.

1169
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: Was in thirteen oh seven, as I understand it, So

1170
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: we're talking like seven hundred and twenty years nearly. That's

1171
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: a long time.

1172
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: Ago, A long time ago.

1173
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 7: This a little history lesson for you.

1174
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: Have a great night too, I appreciate it, Frank, thank

1175
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: you very much. I appreciate it. So yeah, he knows

1176
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: about the history and the origination of the Friday the thirteenth,

1177
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: and that certainly put a lot of people on edge

1178
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: and made them aware at that point that that was

1179
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: the case. And even some other varieties of those, you know,

1180
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 1: transcend continents from Spain to Greece. Thirteen's unlucky Italy. By

1181
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: the way, it's Friday the seventeenth is speared. I'm not

1182
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: sure quite how or why that is. Maybe you do.

1183
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: I won three seven four, nine, seven, eight hundred, the

1184
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: big one. I want to know, do you have a phobia?

1185
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: Do you have a fear however irrationally or otherwise? And

1186
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: sometimes it's just bad luck and it'll happen. What I

1187
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: have learned in my life is never say what could

1188
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: happen next after you've had a string of bad luck.

1189
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: But sometimes that stuff will present itself. Overall, it's interesting

1190
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: in the things that make us uncomfortable or otherwise. I

1191
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: went to school with a kid who was afraid of milk.

1192
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: And I don't mean like he didn't like milk. He

1193
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: said he liked milk, but had and I couldn't understand

1194
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,439
Speaker 1: even as a kid, like fourth fifth grade. I don't

1195
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,479
Speaker 1: know if he got sick with milk with a sour

1196
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: milk smell or something, and then after that he was

1197
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: afraid of it and uncomfortable, maybe like puked it up

1198
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know, but I will never forget that.

1199
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you're getting chocolate milk. It's like, no, no,

1200
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 1: I can't drag milk. He was new to the school

1201
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,919
Speaker 1: at the time and and I'm ran intoing years later,

1202
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: grown like a station function event someplace, and he was like, oh, hey,

1203
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: do you remember I'm still scared of milk, and he

1204
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: brought it up, which was amazing. The New Richmond with

1205
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: Toby on seven hundred WLW was sterling. What scares you

1206
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 1: do you have a phobia?

1207
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 9: I would say some sort of eighth or gorilla that

1208
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 9: they really freaked me out.

1209
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: Now have you been at the zoo and seen something

1210
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: go wrong? Or just the fact that they're big, hairy,

1211
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: like you know, things that are quite strong with teeth.

1212
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 9: Not necessarily at the zoo, but nat Geo.

1213
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 7: A long time ago, when.

1214
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 9: I was probably like twelve or thirteen, you know, late

1215
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 9: at night at my grandparents' house. It's already creepy because

1216
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 9: my grandparents' house.

1217
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 2: I'm old.

1218
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 7: But there was an old lady one time wandering around.

1219
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 9: Her field that got her face dripped off by a

1220
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 9: chimp got out from a zoo, like that was the

1221
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 9: real thing, and I washed on that geo.

1222
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, you don't have to problemgize. No, that's okay.

1223
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: You know what's funny about what's there's nearly nothing about

1224
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 1: somebody's face being ripped off at all, actually to But

1225
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: what's funny is that there was a neighbor of mine

1226
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: who had a pet, like some type of monkey that

1227
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: was miserable in a small cage, and my buddies and

1228
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: I would go over after school sometimes and I wanted

1229
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: to let this thing go. My mom just don't mess

1230
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: with it. It will rip your face off. And I

1231
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 1: was like eight years old, and that stuff sticks with you,

1232
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 1: and she mentioned something about it it actually happening.

1233
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 4: Too, Oh, it is, it is.

1234
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 9: It has petrified me for years.

1235
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: Now, do you avoid the zoo and don't go to

1236
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: like the gorilla or the monkey house, or do you

1237
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: just I mean, you just probably will never take a

1238
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: trip to wherever you might actually find them in the

1239
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: wild anymore, which is fewer and fewer places unfortunately for them.

1240
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:44,439
Speaker 2: Obviously, I absolutely try to avoid them at the zoo.

1241
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 3: I keep my distance.

1242
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 9: I haven't been in a while, but it is something

1243
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 9: that I will live by unfortunately.

1244
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1245
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad that you haven't had it happen to you,

1246
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: and maybe that fear will keep you safe for logger.

1247
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: And let's hope that none of us get our faces

1248
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: ripped off anytime soon. Toby, I appreciate you listening to

1249
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: being a part of the show. Call anytime man. Thank you.

1250
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 4: I appreciate you.

1251
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: Take it easy, you too, buddy. Thanks, that's tremendous. Cynthia,

1252
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: your turner was sterling on the big one. Do you

1253
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: have an irrational or irrational fear of Friday the thirteenth

1254
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: or some other type of phobia?

1255
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 8: I do have a phobia of trees, but let me

1256
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 8: explain that. Okay, like I didn't realize I did.

1257
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: And that's always that's dendrophobia. I'm sorry to interrupt. So

1258
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: you you always had it or something happened.

1259
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 8: I think it was a situation where I always feared

1260
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 8: like a tree with faul I would get trapped by

1261
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 8: a fallen tree. And now that it it does happen

1262
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 8: to people, so let me tell you, like it's okay.

1263
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 8: I would not be able to walk through say a park,

1264
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 8: Oh no that had a lot of trees on a

1265
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 8: path by myself. It would get if it was getting dark. Now,

1266
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 8: if it was light outside, it'd be okay. But like

1267
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 8: as you're is, it's getting dark when you when you

1268
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 8: enter the park and then suddenly starts getting dark and

1269
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 8: the tree starts looking kind of I don't know, the

1270
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 8: big trees, they just I just feel I start getting panicky.

1271
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: Now, are you okay? If they're naked, And what I

1272
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: mean by that is like in the fall and winter

1273
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 1: when they're no leaves, does that make you feel safer

1274
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: or even more scared of them because they kind of

1275
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: look more scary.

1276
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 8: That is more scary, especially as it's getting dark. Like

1277
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 8: I go to I ride my bike in the park,

1278
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 8: so when the time changes, I have to make sure

1279
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 8: to time my bike route so that I'm not caught

1280
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 8: when the sun goes down. When the sun starts to

1281
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 8: go down.

1282
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 1: And you've had this since you were a child or

1283
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: when did this like manifest?

1284
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it was somehow when I started driving

1285
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 8: to my teen years, because back in the day when

1286
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 8: I lived on the West Side or near Correen, the

1287
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:02,200
Speaker 8: Mountainy Forest was a beautiful park. And I realized when

1288
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 8: I drove through there my little Honda Civic hatchback I

1289
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 8: was probably nineteen. All of a sudden it was getting dark,

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Speaker 8: and I know that parked like the back of my hand.

1291
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 8: And but suddenly it came. I had this overwhelmed woman

1292
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 8: feeling because it was getting dark and I felt trapped

1293
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 8: like all these trees. It's weird, and even I feel

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01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 8: weren't talking about it.

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01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm right there. I mean, I get what

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01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: you're saying. I don't have that fear, but I understand it.

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01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: And I was trying to think. There's a movie and

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01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember which one where the trees came to life,

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01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: and I remember as a kid, Yeah, it shook me.

1300
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: I got it. I grew out of it a little bit.

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01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: And and I don't want to make this worse, Cynthia,

1302
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: but there was a story a couple of years ago.

1303
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: There was a woman in the most unfortunate circumstance. I

1304
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,439
Speaker 1: remember it was a stormy night here in the tri state,

1305
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: somewhere in the Try state, and you know what, luck

1306
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 1: does one have the tree falls and it like hit

1307
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: her and killed her.

1308
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 8: Yes, I know that's what I fear.

1309
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I understand it. It's not fully rational, but

1310
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: then that aberration occurs, that one little thing and then

1311
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: you're like, we'll see, it validates the fear.

1312
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 8: So yeah, but people are with me, like my we're

1313
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 8: walking group or something. We were walking. There's no problem

1314
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 8: because I feel like there's people with me. But if

1315
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 8: I had to walk, if they paid me a million

1316
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 8: dollars to walk, you know what, let me tell you

1317
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 8: this and I'm gonna take all your time. But this

1318
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 8: is a perfect example. When I lived in California, Uh,

1319
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 8: there was a park if you're familiar with California called

1320
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Speaker 8: Groups Park where the Hollywood sign is Angelas.

1321
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: Yah, I know where you're at.

1322
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 8: So the Sierra Club would have these midnight walk but

1323
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 8: they started at step like you meet at seven point

1324
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 8: thirty at the bottom of the park and then you

1325
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 8: go in a group and walk through that park and

1326
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 8: it's just it's a fear club. People are familiar with that. Yeah,

1327
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 8: so you don't have to walk by yourself. But even

1328
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 8: still it's so dark, the pants are so dark that

1329
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 8: and then you see people come out of the bushes

1330
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 8: like walking. There's random people walking around. But if I

1331
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 8: had to walk to that park, I had to go

1332
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 8: fire by myself. They couldn't pay me enough to do it.

1333
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: No way I got you, No way. I'm against the

1334
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 1: wall on time, Cynthia. Thank you for listening. Thank you

1335
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: for sharing. That's a big confession for something that I mean.

1336
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: You seem like you were expecting a ridicule. I'm not

1337
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: going to ridicule you. And uh okay, hopefully you'll call back.

1338
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: Appreciate you listening. To take care of yourself. But Resa,

1339
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: some others coming up. We'll get to you on the

1340
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: other side. Another hour to go on a Friday night

1341
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: Sterling where the Reds play, because it's the Hall of

1342
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: the Reds, don't you know? Seven hundred WLW since a

1343
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 1: nat So what scares you, what frightens you? It doesn't

1344
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: have to be rational, it can be irrational. Friday the thirteenth.

1345
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: Lot of people skip work today, probably didn't go to school.

1346
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: I was always looking for excuse not to do that.

1347
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: I always wanted to go to work. Though people were

1348
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: afraid of heights Afrey of flying. I've sat next to

1349
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: some bare knuckle flyers before. It made me nervous because

1350
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: they were so nervous. It's a Friday sterling, final hour

1351
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: to gather. Russ Jackson keeping me online and in time,

1352
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: and of course Travis Lair would news in another twenty

1353
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: minutes in about four seconds away and giving you a

1354
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: chance to sound off. Also Kevin Carr conversation I had

1355
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 1: with him Fat Guys at the movie Silver Gecko on

1356
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: Substack talk about what he saw this week is a

1357
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: pick of the week for good or bad, as well

1358
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: as Friday the thirteen stuff because it makes sense five

1359
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: point three seven four nine eight hundred The Big One.

1360
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: I heard a woman in the doctor's office yesterday talk

1361
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 1: about the yogurt creeping her out. She doesn't like the

1362
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: texture of it. And apple sauce, and I understand the

1363
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: apple sauce thing. I love apples, and I don't mind.

1364
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: Like if you make homemade apple sauce, which is basically

1365
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: just like pulverizing apples and leave it in in chunks,

1366
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: throwing some cinnamon and maybe a little bit of sugar,

1367
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm set. But if it's just the the actual stuff

1368
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's a little disconcerting to me. It's sort

1369
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: of the same thing with like, what are the little

1370
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: like rice pudding but different. It's not quite rice, but

1371
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: it's got those little beads in there that kind of

1372
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: bothers me too. Five three seven, eight hundred. The big one.

1373
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: What scares you? What frightens you? Thunder lightning? Alice just

1374
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: mentioned from Fort Wright at Sterling Radio on x that's called,

1375
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: by the way, astrophobia, fear of lightning and thunder. I

1376
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: came close within about twenty yards of a tree that

1377
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: was hit by lightning, which was enough when I had

1378
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: hair on my head, longer hair when it wasn't shaved

1379
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: in all or leaving me and I remember the hair

1380
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: on the back of my neck and my arms and

1381
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: everything just like stood up real fast, and then boom,

1382
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: it hit that tree in the in the lightning hitting

1383
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: it just basically sheared the the what do you call it,

1384
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:00,160
Speaker 1: the bark off the tree. It almost looked like like

1385
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 1: claw marks until just recently, and I think in one

1386
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,759
Speaker 1: of the cars I still have this piece of bark.

1387
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: And that happened outside the Ohio State Fair and just

1388
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: lost to one of the people who were holding five

1389
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: went three, seven, nine, eight hundred, the big one. What

1390
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 1: is it that frightens you, what scares you that goes

1391
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: into it? There's something called dendrophobia. It's an intense and

1392
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: irrational fear of trees that goes into that. And we

1393
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 1: heard that earlier from somebody, and that's true. There is that,

1394
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: I would say. The thing that is a kid stuck

1395
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: with me was the dark basement and the sounds that

1396
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 1: were there. We lived in like an old apartment building.

1397
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,879
Speaker 1: The washer and dryer in our storage was in the basement,

1398
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 1: effectively under the apartment. And when I was tall enough

1399
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: to reach the top of the washer, Mom was like, well,

1400
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: now you can do laundry. Good for you. So it

1401
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: was not really good for me, but you know, she

1402
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: was like, you can be sof sufficient. You're gonna be

1403
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: a good catch woman in your Life's gonna like it.

1404
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 1: You can handle the laundry. But I had to go

1405
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: down to that damn basement. And I didn't have as

1406
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: much of a problem with it during the day, but

1407
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: if it was after dark, and those wood floors and

1408
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: everything a little bit of creakiness and and you know

1409
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: the smell of the basement and sounds. I was not

1410
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: real keen on the whole basement scenario, and I think

1411
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: that's probably pretty common. That goes along with that as well.

1412
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: There's a lot of different types of fear, and I

1413
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 1: would say necessarily loathing, but certainly loathing some things, whether

1414
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: it's and you know, I mentioned the claustrophobia, and that's

1415
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 1: fairly common confined spaces, elevators, little rooms, et cetera. And

1416
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: that can be difficult for a lot of people. You know,

1417
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: sometimes kids would go hide in a small place, then

1418
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 1: they get locked in or their friends lock them in

1419
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 1: a closet that that will resonate for a lifetime in

1420
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 1: some cases, fear of animals of one type or another zoophobia.

1421
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,560
Speaker 1: Kid loves their dog, but scared of other dogs. And

1422
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 1: I think it is a service animal they've got, like

1423
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: a harness. I don't know how they certified it as

1424
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:12,560
Speaker 1: the most cool, chilled dog I've ever been around. My

1425
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: dog is not that dog. But they are friends, fence friends.

1426
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: It's very interesting. But the one of the kids has

1427
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 1: the zoo phobia there that goes along with that. There's megalophobia,

1428
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: which is a fear of large objects, big things that

1429
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: scare people and make them uncomfortable. And I'm not quite

1430
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,799
Speaker 1: sure how deeply that goes and how that might manifest

1431
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: itself overall. But I mean that could be buildings, right,

1432
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: that could be objects. I mean, that could be a

1433
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: mountain range. And I could understand maybe the fear of

1434
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: a mountain range, especially in the old days, if you're

1435
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: on horse and buggy kind of scenario, or you got

1436
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: the wagon and you see that mountain range and you're like,

1437
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: the weather comes from there, or what's on the other

1438
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: side of the mountains or something along those lines, that

1439
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: could be difficult. Maybe tall buildings. Maybe in some cases

1440
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: that goes into the heights thing, which is the agoraphobia,

1441
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: which is different, you know, something a lot of people have,

1442
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:16,639
Speaker 1: which is pretty wild. I had a buddy of mine

1443
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: who was horribly afraid of heights, and he and his

1444
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 1: wife did one of the most outrageous things I can

1445
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: ever imagine. I was very surprised by this, and then

1446
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: he went to the other end of the spectrum on it.

1447
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: He had been afraid of heights since he had been

1448
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 1: a little kid.

1449
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 2: And she.

1450
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: Was all about like dare devil activities. You know, she's

1451
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: bungee jumping, she's whatever. So she eventually gets him to

1452
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: bungee jump. She eventually gets my buddy then to jump

1453
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: out of a perfectly good airplane and skydiving, and then

1454
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: he was completely over it. And that's all he wanted.

1455
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it was constantly chasing that adrenaline and getting

1456
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: into that, which was a complete about face to where

1457
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: he was. Uh, you know in the beginning of stuff

1458
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:05,839
Speaker 1: with that, which is pretty amazing.

1459
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 6: Uh.

1460
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: There are people that are afraid of telephones, old fashioned phones,

1461
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 1: or even the cell phone or arguably, you know, technology

1462
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: that sort of goes along with that, which is a

1463
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:23,480
Speaker 1: pretty amazing thing. A lot of you know, pseudo celebrities

1464
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: or real celebrities have different fears phobias, legitimately or otherwise.

1465
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 1: And here's just some of the list of those. Because

1466
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: I find this interesting too, because a lot of times

1467
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: we think, oh, you know, famous people, they're they're different,

1468
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: they don't have to worry about this kind of scenario too.

1469
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston, one of the friends, of course, she is

1470
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: very open about talking about. I've seen her in a

1471
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: number of interviews and so forth, does not like to fly,

1472
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: big big fear of flying. I don't know if that

1473
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: means she drives a lot or just gets somehow some

1474
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: type of help in way she has to travel. But

1475
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 1: that's difficult. Col rophobia guy from this region anyway at

1476
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:09,520
Speaker 1: one time or another, Johnny Depp, that's a fear of clowns.

1477
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 1: The call rophobia. I don't know why. There must be

1478
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: something to the base of the name there called rophobia.

1479
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: I understand the fear of clowns. I've not had any

1480
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: real bad run ins with clowns, although there were a

1481
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:26,600
Speaker 1: few weekends in a row coming here to do this

1482
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon show. Getting off of seventy one at Montgomery Road.

1483
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: You go right, you can go to Kenwood Town Center,

1484
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: you can go left to where we are, and you know,

1485
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: head parts east from here. And there were three, I

1486
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: want to say, three or four saturdays in a row,

1487
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: maybe a Sunday mixed in there before Red's Baseball that

1488
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: it became unnerving to me. There was a guy, and

1489
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he had like a beatlebug car and also

1490
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: like a and I saw him two different vehicles in

1491
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 1: this window of time. He had like a so I'll

1492
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: never forget it, like a silver station wagon type thing

1493
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,640
Speaker 1: or a small like crossover suv thing, and then he

1494
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,040
Speaker 1: was in the beatlebug that had logo on it. Then

1495
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: he was a clown. And I don't know if he

1496
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: just had regular work off this exit or if it

1497
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: was regular work that he was coming from as a

1498
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 1: clown and coming home. I don't know what his deal was.

1499
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: I be interested to see, but I'm telling you it

1500
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: was like three or four weekends in a row. I'm

1501
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: getting off the exit about the same time, and there

1502
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 1: he was. And then it became a thought of is

1503
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 1: this clown following me? So I understand the colorophobia, but

1504
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: that's about it. Other than like going to the circus

1505
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: and having him get up in my grill as a tiny,

1506
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, young sterling. It's very difficult to deal with.

1507
01:15:54,320 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: Madonna apparently has astrophobia, which is the thought understorm thing.

1508
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: Even though she's okay on stage, that breaks her down.

1509
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 1: Christina Richie, she's been around for a while now. I

1510
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: think she just had a birthday today or yesterday. I

1511
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: want to think she's like forty seven.

1512
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 5: I think.

1513
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: She has a fear of being alone in a swimming pool.

1514
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 1: And her fear, she says, is that she has a

1515
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: fear that there's a trap door that could open up

1516
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: beneath her, not if anyone's else around, but just I

1517
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: guess maybe they pull the drain plug and she would

1518
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: be sucked down as the best way I could possibly

1519
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: understand that as I try to wrap my small brain

1520
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 1: around that. But that's Christina Ritchie's fear. Michael Jordan, of course,

1521
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: the greatest ballplayer of all time, arguably when it comes

1522
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: to hoops. Some would argue Kobe Bryant. Depends on where

1523
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 1: we are. I know, Gary Jeff will get you up

1524
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, We'll say Michael Jordan. He has a fear

1525
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: of the ocean and apparently saw some fairly tragic stuff

1526
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: in the sea as a small kid. And yeah, I

1527
01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: can understand that. Sticking with you, and he's apparently not

1528
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: grown out out of that. Tyra Banks has delphinephobia delphini phobia.

1529
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: Banks apparently has a fear of dolphins and apparently recurring

1530
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,719
Speaker 1: nightmares and fear of dolphins.

1531
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 6: Now.

1532
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if she went to like Sea World

1533
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,400
Speaker 1: and had a bad experience, or she saw like a

1534
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: rerun of that old show that when it was from

1535
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: the sixties or fifties.

1536
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1537
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:32,759
Speaker 1: It was before my time Flipper. I remember seeing reruns

1538
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: of that. I don't know if she had a problem

1539
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 1: with the Flipper or what, but Tyra Banks has a

1540
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: fear of the dolphin and not the Finn that used

1541
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 1: to work here to Covington and lou was Stirling on

1542
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW, what is your fear of phobia?

1543
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 6: I've been having a lot of nightmares. I've always had

1544
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 6: a fear of like dirty floors and getting my feet dirty,

1545
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 6: Like I hate carpeting in hotel rooms.

1546
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah for reasons. Yes, in hotels for sure.

1547
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sprayed aluminole all over the place and it

1548
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 6: just appears, you know, and it shows where the splatter was.

1549
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 6: But no, I've had a busted hot water heater for

1550
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 6: about four or five months now, and so I've been

1551
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 6: showering at the Planet Fitness.

1552
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 2: Here in Lovely Newport Pavilion.

1553
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 6: Yes, and you know the shower shoes, but it still

1554
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 6: grosses me out to even walk in there. And I

1555
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 6: keep the shower shoes on of course.

1556
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 10: Yeah you don't want to get your dirty foot no no, no,

1557
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,080
Speaker 10: uh no, I mean and I see people like you know,

1558
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 10: you used to go see Henry Rollins play live a lot,

1559
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 10: and he would black flag and solo stuff and he

1560
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 10: would always play in a pair of umbrose soccer shorts

1561
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 10: and bare feet.

1562
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:45,680
Speaker 6: And I asked him once. I was like, aren't you

1563
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 6: afraid of getting like ringworm or something? And he said, nah, man,

1564
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 6: that's cool whatever. But I just never could understand people

1565
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 6: that just walk around, like even at the pool, you know,

1566
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 6: with bare feet, like I have to have the flip

1567
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 6: fluffs on it. And I'm into foot care. I get petticures,

1568
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 6: I admit it.

1569
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 2: I'm a straight man.

1570
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 1: No, no hold on, lou wait a minute now. And

1571
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm not judging you for taking care of the pads.

1572
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: I mean feet are important. I mean without feet, I

1573
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: mean the rest of our gate or our spine. Everything

1574
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 1: is based on how we walk around if you're lucky

1575
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 1: enough to have feet to do it. So I understand

1576
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: how did that start. I'm wondering when it comes to

1577
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 1: that with it, because I used to not want to

1578
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 1: go out without shoes as a kid, and then you

1579
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: get me now I don't want to put shoes on.

1580
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 3: Right. I'm the same way.

1581
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 6: I grew up hiding my feet as a kid, and

1582
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 6: now I wear flip flops all year long, even when

1583
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 6: we had a snowstorm last week, and the shower shoes.

1584
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 2: Maybe with stock, but usually I don't.

1585
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 6: And I think it's just because I had such a

1586
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 6: fear of the dirtiness that I go to Glitzy Nails

1587
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:52,719
Speaker 6: and Crescent Springs and go see Lynn there sometimes twice

1588
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 6: a month or forty bucks a pop, and it just

1589
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:58,759
Speaker 6: makes me a swages. Let's use it a nice.

1590
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 3: Word, like a swage the taught me at Saint Agnes.

1591
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 4: It helps you get you.

1592
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: Through it, that's good. I mean, if it's something it

1593
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 1: helps you navigate it, that that's a good way to cope.

1594
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 6: But people that are afraid of clowns are weak. That's

1595
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 6: just weak, sauce man.

1596
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 1: There's nothing.

1597
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know the guy in Chicago that

1598
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 6: put all the kids under his house and then brought

1599
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 6: you know what's ed geen or whatever.

1600
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 1: I just wanted the gean was one of those. John

1601
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 1: Wayne Gacy was the clown guy. Yeah, and that's enough

1602
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 1: to creep me out against a long time lou Thank you.

1603
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,639
Speaker 1: That's good, great call. Got issues with the dirty feet

1604
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: in the shower. I totally get it. In the Ringworm

1605
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,560
Speaker 1: and Henry Rollins just had a birthday recently too. I

1606
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: think he's sixty six, sixty seven. I think he's been playing.

1607
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 1: He must have been like eight years old when he

1608
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 1: was in Black Flag. Now that I think about it,

1609
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: it just makes me think about wanting to sweep the

1610
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: floor with like the swifter our friends at P and G.

1611
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 1: You see how I tie that together, showing us some

1612
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: love here in the tri State for Procter and Gamble people,

1613
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: you have somebody who works for Procter and Gamble, whether

1614
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,719
Speaker 1: they're in the Swifter division. They may have a swifter division.

1615
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: I don't don't even know, but I know they make

1616
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: it text us their name, and then we'll maybe show

1617
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: them some love. Five to one, eight eight one. You know,

1618
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: somebody working at PNG, working hard at Proctor and Gamble,

1619
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: show them some love five to one, eight eight one,

1620
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,439
Speaker 1: and be listening. We just may call their name up

1621
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: and show them some love and respect as well. Thanks

1622
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 1: to some great calls talking about all the phobias and

1623
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 1: the Friday the thirteenth stuff. On the other side of

1624
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 1: your eleven thirty report, Travis Laird has news We'll come back.

1625
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 1: Kevin Carr going to talk on Friday thirteenth. We'll tie

1626
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: it into the movies. And I think he was. I

1627
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: don't know if if he was forced, or if it

1628
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 1: was just thrust upon him, or maybe he just felt

1629
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: there was a pick a week to see one movie.

1630
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: It's Wuthering Heights. We'll find out if it's worth our time,

1631
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 1: his time, if it was a nightmare, and so much

1632
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 1: more before I go in. Red Eye Radio rolls after

1633
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 1: midnight right here on the Home of the Reds with

1634
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: Sterling seven hundred WLW Kevin Carr sober getto on the

1635
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: sub stack, stuck at home, hiding out, afraid of what

1636
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 1: might be lurking around every corner, or maybe just having

1637
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 1: an adult beverager, so joining us here at the Nation

1638
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 1: Station with Sterling seven hundred W. Wellub you, Kevin. How

1639
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: are you, mister silver Gecko on the substack? What's going on?

1640
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 2: Oh?

1641
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 4: Not much. I am having an adult beverage. I have

1642
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 4: to admit good, good stuff may happen. You know, you

1643
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 4: never know. I'm unleashed.

1644
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,799
Speaker 1: That's okay, it's after dark. Everything's fine, Everything's just fine.

1645
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no, it's happening again. When I worked

1646
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: at the Putt putt Kevin Carr years ago. I would

1647
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,720
Speaker 1: late at night and I would go, there's a whole

1648
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: on one on the course. Number two rights are on

1649
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: now for a red and yellow ball, you get a

1650
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 1: discout for the putt putt. And then I would go.

1651
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:46,439
Speaker 6: And not.

1652
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: And people freaked out, and then I was chastised, and

1653
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 1: then the boss left and I kept doing it. How unnerving?

1654
01:22:55,400 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 1: How crazy Friday the Thirteenth series overall in films. I mean,

1655
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 1: they've made a lot of those, some better than others,

1656
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: and all pretty good.

1657
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 4: Fun right well, you know, And I'll say this because

1658
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 4: I have taken the task at times over the years

1659
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 4: to watch all the classic slasher franchises. I've watched all

1660
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 4: the Friday the Thirteenth movies in a row. I've watched

1661
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 4: all the Halloween movies in a row. I've watched all

1662
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 4: the Nightmare on elm Street movies in a row. Those

1663
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:25,799
Speaker 4: are basically the big three. And I will say Friday

1664
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 4: the thirteenth is the most consistent. And you're right, some

1665
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 4: are better than others. It gets a little bit crazy

1666
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 4: with zombie Jason and then he goes to space. I

1667
01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 4: mean it's it does go off the rails. A bit,

1668
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:44,360
Speaker 4: but like trying to get the figure out how the

1669
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 4: Halloween franchise connects together is like trying to give a

1670
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 4: blind person directions to Atlanta only using the word peach.

1671
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's hard.

1672
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so it's it's very, very difficult. But the

1673
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 4: Denver and Elm Street movies they kind of start really

1674
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 4: kind of bouncing all over the place. But yeah, the

1675
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 4: Friday the thirteenth, you can sit there and watch them.

1676
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 4: They're not the greatest, but they're consistent and they're they're

1677
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 4: they're also you know, the other thing I love about it,

1678
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 4: and this is this maybe showing my I'm not gonna

1679
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 4: say misogynistic side, but my adolescent side. The Friday the

1680
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 4: thirteenth always delivered on the gore and the scare and

1681
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 4: the jiggle factor.

1682
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 1: We'll just say that, Yeah, there was some jiggling that

1683
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: would happen on occasion, and they would This is the thing,

1684
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 1: even as a kid, Kevin Carr, I would I would

1685
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: never understand they they would run from outside inside, then

1686
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 1: upstairs where there was no accent.

1687
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 4: And I never wanted him running. I just wanted them running,

1688
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying. Yeah, it's true, Okay, a Friday

1689
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 4: the thirteenth trivia for you. Uh, where when did he

1690
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 4: start wearing the hockey mask? The original Jason the what

1691
01:24:56,680 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 4: everyone recognizes is Jason's mask. Huh when did that show up?

1692
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: Oh that wasn't the first movie.

1693
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 4: No, really, well the first movie, it wasn't even Jason.

1694
01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 4: It was a spoiler alert. I mean the movie is

1695
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 4: this is young forty six years old.

1696
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 1: It is nineteen eighties when the first one came out,

1697
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 1: and that was Jason Vorhees.

1698
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 4: Correct, it was, well, it was missus Vorhees, oh brother.

1699
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, the mom, Yeah, that was just that.

1700
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 4: That makes it a good Mother's Day movie, you know,

1701
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 4: because she's just trying to protect her child.

1702
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 1: But well, I mean, you know, you got to respect

1703
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 1: a mom who's trying to take.

1704
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 4: Care of her. Yeah, Jason makes a little cameo right

1705
01:25:33,320 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 4: at the very end. But then the second movie he

1706
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:37,760
Speaker 4: just had a like a sack over his head, like

1707
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,320
Speaker 4: a burlap sack over his head. And it wasn't until

1708
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 4: the third movie that a character had a hockey mask

1709
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 4: and or the goalie mask, and he put that on

1710
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 4: and then that became the icon. But yeah, I took

1711
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 4: a third three movies to get to it.

1712
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 1: That's weird and I didn't realize that. So what I'm

1713
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: curious about. And for those in the Halloween realm, of

1714
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: course that mask immediately right, I mean that was when

1715
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 1: he was.

1716
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 4: Well, no, he had the little clown mask as a

1717
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 4: little kid, and then he went he broke into the

1718
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,960
Speaker 4: hardware store and stole a mask, which was all it

1719
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 4: was was William Shatner mask, the eyes opened up a

1720
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 4: little bit and then painted white because it was a

1721
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 4: it was a cheap movie, but it holds up.

1722
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 8: It does.

1723
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 4: Well. What's funny. The mask has various elements. Like the

1724
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 4: first movie, it's a good mask, and then it gets

1725
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 4: by the time they're doing like Halloween Resurrection with oh

1726
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 4: who was it which was the rapper that did that movie?

1727
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 4: Was that outcast or it was?

1728
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah that that that mask is terrible.

1729
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 4: It's it looks really really bad. But then they kind

1730
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 4: of made it really kind of dark and creepy in

1731
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 4: the reboots and the I think in a second Rob

1732
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 4: Zombie movie, he just kind of gets rid of the

1733
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 4: mask at a certain point. He's just this bearded guy.

1734
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,600
Speaker 4: He looks like a like a homeless man. But but no,

1735
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 4: Jason had the mask, and once he got the mask,

1736
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 4: he was it was the mask was him and I

1737
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 4: mean iconic. I mean it is the it is the

1738
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 4: epitome of an iconic slasher character.

1739
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: That's true.

1740
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 5: It is.

1741
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,040
Speaker 1: Are there are a lot of those. I'm trying to

1742
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: think there have been a lot of different types of

1743
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: slasher movies, but as franchises go, I mean there are

1744
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 1: twelve of those so far. I think is that right?

1745
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 1: Maybe more than that? Or is it just twelve Friday

1746
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 1: the thirteenth it was thirteen. It seems inappropriate.

1747
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 4: When he went to Space that was ten. I think

1748
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 4: that was because it was Jason X. And then they

1749
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 4: did the Freddy Versus Jason and then they did the

1750
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 4: Friday the Thirteenth reboot and I think that was it.

1751
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 4: Then like the rights to it got all caught up

1752
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 4: in a quagmire. But you see, here's the problem with

1753
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 4: what they're doing with slasher movies now, is they they

1754
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 4: make a Friday the Thirteenth movie and they wanted to

1755
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 4: make one hundred million dollars, and you're like, those movies

1756
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 4: never made it one hundred million dollars. They would make

1757
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 4: the movie for like a million bucks, and they put

1758
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 4: it in theaters and it would make twenty which isn't great,

1759
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:12,599
Speaker 4: but it's a huge return on their investment. That's basically

1760
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 4: the business plan that Bumhouse shoses for their movies. They

1761
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 4: make them on the cheap, and then if they make

1762
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 4: thirty five forty million dollars worldwide, they're a huge hit.

1763
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's huge money. I mean, I don't know why

1764
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: anybody would be unhappy with that.

1765
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 4: Well, it just depends on how much you spent on

1766
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 4: the movie.

1767
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean no, I mean what you just described makes

1768
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:34,600
Speaker 1: the most sense. You know, you put a little in,

1769
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: you get a little more out, then you do it again.

1770
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean it's like, because here's the thing,

1771
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 4: because when they did the Friday the Thirteenth reboot, they

1772
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 4: brought in some names they I mean not huge names,

1773
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 4: but they had uh the guy he was on Supernatural,

1774
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 4: he was in that. Uh. And then they had like

1775
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 4: like other characters and actors that were kind of big

1776
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 4: in the well it would have been the millennials, I

1777
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 4: guess at the time. But the whole thing is that

1778
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 4: you don't need any stars. You have the hockey mask.

1779
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 4: You don't need big names with you don't need to

1780
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 4: spend thirty million dollars just to get your actors to

1781
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 4: show up. Yeah, you know, you just need the guy

1782
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 4: to wear a mask, yeah, and get like unknowns are

1783
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 4: gonna work for Scale. I mean that's honestly, Paramount needs

1784
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 4: to hand me the keys of that franchise.

1785
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,599
Speaker 1: Well, let's do it. I'm going to tag along. I will,

1786
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: I will clean masks, I will do whatever's necessary. I mean,

1787
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 1: we have to do it in the winter, so I

1788
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 1: can I can leave her go there where it's warm

1789
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: and then come back in time for baseball.

1790
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 4: Well, but that's that's the thing, even though it's Friday

1791
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 4: the thirteenth now, because you cannot control when Friday the

1792
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 4: thirteen happens in February. It's true, but and it's hard.

1793
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 4: The Friday the thirteenth movies are summer franchise because it's

1794
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 4: summer camp. They go to summer camp. Halloween obviously is

1795
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 4: a fall franchise. And you know, like leather Face is

1796
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 4: just driving through rural Texas in the heat branch.

1797
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 1: Times you gotta you know, dismember some people, I guess,

1798
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 1: and on film, I mean in entertainment, Yeah, no, no,

1799
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: no accents like we're gonna get in all kinds of trouble.

1800
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:12,799
Speaker 1: I don't need more meetings. I don't need more emails.

1801
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 1: I don't need more trouble. Kevin Carr, by the way,

1802
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 1: sober gaggle on the substack was struggling on that. If

1803
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 1: I can shift it, I'm gonna shift it. Absolutely, Yes,

1804
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: all day, every day. But I mean I own mind,

1805
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: that's for sure.

1806
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 4: Now.

1807
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 1: So we covered the Halloween and we covered obviously the paramount.

1808
01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: This is a bad mixing of names of the Friday

1809
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:34,799
Speaker 1: the thirteenth because it's a date specific.

1810
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 4: Now I want it's just like Newline had it FIRS.

1811
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 4: I don't know who owns the rights right now. It's

1812
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 4: it's been a mess.

1813
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 1: Well that's all right. I mean we're not paying extra.

1814
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 1: We're just talking about it. So it's okay. We probably

1815
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 1: helped them. You did something else, which is uh, I

1816
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 1: think is tremendous. Now, did you and missus Carr get

1817
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,439
Speaker 1: to do this together? Sometimes maybe you do a screening together.

1818
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 1: This may be one of those you saw with Wuthering Heights,

1819
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 1: which I think they've done. Speaking of a franchise, how

1820
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:00,560
Speaker 1: many times have they done that?

1821
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know, it's been four or five at least.

1822
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:05,760
Speaker 4: I mean, there have been big ones, and then they

1823
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 4: do like TV movies as well. Now, look, I'm gonna

1824
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 4: just be honest. I've never read Wuthering Heights. I'm not

1825
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:18,080
Speaker 4: going yeah, I'm not going to just just I'm in

1826
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 4: my fifties at this point. The time is pasted. It

1827
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 4: is not on my bucket list.

1828
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: Is that an assignment that we blew off and didn't

1829
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: do or is it just that we missed it as

1830
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 1: a recreational endeavor or what?

1831
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 4: It just didn't happen to be on the list that

1832
01:31:31,560 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 4: I was supposed to read. But I mean I had

1833
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 4: I didn't read the Scarlet Letter either, though I took

1834
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 4: a test on it.

1835
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:37,759
Speaker 1: But did you watch the movie?

1836
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 2: No?

1837
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 4: I just I got the cliff notes. You know how

1838
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 4: this works. Come on, so, but no, I've never read

1839
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 4: any of the Bronte stuff or or Bronte I guess

1840
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 4: is Bronti and but but Emily Bronti wrote Whether in Heights?

1841
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:55,519
Speaker 4: Never read it. I kind of looked at the I

1842
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 4: wanted to see how different the Wikipedia entry was to

1843
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 4: the movie. And that's the as salute depth of my

1844
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 4: research for this. But I want to go see the movie.

1845
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 4: I did not go see it with my wife. She

1846
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 4: probably would not have been wanted to be in the

1847
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 4: theater with me, because there's a lot of me rolling

1848
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 4: my eyes and checking my phone to see how much

1849
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 4: longer there was in the movie Never it's not my

1850
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 4: cup of tea. It does deviate from what I understand.

1851
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 4: It does deviate quite a bit from the original story.

1852
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:31,759
Speaker 4: But it's a story of this, uh well. And here's

1853
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 4: the thing with any of these sort of I get

1854
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 4: the brunty stuff and the like the Jane Austin stuff.

1855
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:42,120
Speaker 4: It's like always about a family that's wealthy enough to

1856
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:46,960
Speaker 4: own land and have servants, but they're not rich, if

1857
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 4: that makes sense, you know, there's always the envy and

1858
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,759
Speaker 4: the want of being more affluent and trying to marry

1859
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 4: into that. So even though they're landowners and they have servants,

1860
01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, we're not rich. And I'm like, you

1861
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 4: kind of are are rich in the peerage you're in,

1862
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 4: but you just don't feel like you're rich. And it's

1863
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 4: a story of this woman who grew up and in

1864
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 4: this her family was a landowner, but the dad was

1865
01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:17,679
Speaker 4: a drunk played by Doc Martin, and her tumultuous love

1866
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 4: affair and relationship with one of the wards that they

1867
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 4: take on named Heathcliff, not the cat. Yeah, that would

1868
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 4: be really cool to have if they would just if

1869
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 4: they would see Gi out Jacob Alordi in this and

1870
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 4: then put the giant cat in there, that would have

1871
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 4: been really funny. And it's their tumultuous relationship, but it's

1872
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:43,000
Speaker 4: it's real toxic in this one, and they dial that

1873
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 4: up because it's not necessarily that way in the book.

1874
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 4: My biggest thing is they had to give this role

1875
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 4: to two of the most attractive people on the planet

1876
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:57,560
Speaker 4: right now, Margot Robbie and Jacob Alordi, because if this

1877
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 4: were a if they grew up looking like and Tarantino,

1878
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 4: it would be a very different movie. It would be

1879
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,720
Speaker 4: a horror film. It would be rivaling any of the

1880
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:10,640
Speaker 4: franchises we had already talked about, because these people are horrible,

1881
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:17,639
Speaker 4: horrible people, full of envy and wrath and cruelty. It's

1882
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 4: just they're awful, awful, horrible people. And I wanted a

1883
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 4: meteorite to hit the moors in this one.

1884
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: That would be a different movie altogether, which we've seen

1885
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 1: and I think I liked that one, and I liked

1886
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:31,759
Speaker 1: what you just described too. Okay, so this sounds obviously

1887
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 1: like one that clearly Russ Jackson will also want to

1888
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 1: avoiding the show and I have, but you at least

1889
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 1: laid it out there. Perhaps someone may go, you know,

1890
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 1: that sounds like the perfect movie for Valentine's.

1891
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very divisive, and I mean there are people

1892
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:51,680
Speaker 4: who are gonna love it. They will because but it

1893
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:56,000
Speaker 4: is that they're both just just totally wrecked and damaged

1894
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 4: people who cannot get over themselves. And that's dialed up

1895
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 4: beyond what was in the original book. And I just

1896
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 4: hated every minute of them on screen. And the only

1897
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,839
Speaker 4: thing that made it worth watchable is it has beautiful

1898
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 4: cinematography and composition and all that kind of stuff. And yes,

1899
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 4: Margot Robbie's attracted to look at I am happy to

1900
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 4: watch her on screen, and she's a good actor. That's

1901
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:22,599
Speaker 4: the thing. It's it was. It's not a good film,

1902
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 4: but it's like, do you remember she was in that

1903
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,439
Speaker 4: one movie it was either Last Summer or Fall, The

1904
01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 4: Big Bold, Beautiful Journey with Colin Farrell. Yeah, and her

1905
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 4: character was just just a piece of crap in that too,

1906
01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:36,759
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, just get herself I mean, honestly,

1907
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 4: when you know she played famously Harley Quinn in multiple movies.

1908
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 4: When Harley Quinn is the most centered and balanced character

1909
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:49,720
Speaker 4: you've played in the last two years, you might want

1910
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:51,760
Speaker 4: to take some different choices.

1911
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 1: Different medication for something I don't even know.

1912
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1913
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 1: And once upon a time in Hollywood she was great

1914
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:00,360
Speaker 1: and that too. We watched that together, we went.

1915
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 3: To the.

1916
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 4: I'm a huge Margot Robbie fan. And the reason I'm

1917
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 4: a huge Margaret Robbie fan is because here's the thing

1918
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 4: with her. She is so attractive. I mean, just like

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Speaker 4: if you were to say, like, just do all the

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Speaker 4: cemetery and draw the most contractive woman on the planet,

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Speaker 4: you would a lot of people would draw Margot Robbie

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Speaker 4: and not even realize it. But she's so attractive that

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Speaker 4: that actually, I think is a hindrance to her, because

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Speaker 4: she's not approachable because she's so good looking. You can't

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Speaker 4: think of her as the girl next door. But she's

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Speaker 4: such a good actor that she transcends that. And I

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Speaker 4: think that that that says a lot about her as

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Speaker 4: a performer, because if you look at a lot of

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Speaker 4: other people, like you know, like Julia Roberts. Julie Roberts

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Speaker 4: as an example, pretty woman, all this stuff. There's there's

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Speaker 4: things about her when you look at her face, it's

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Speaker 4: not it's not what you would say always classically attractive.

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Speaker 4: There's there's always like something quirky or or different about it.

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Speaker 4: And you get that with like Reese Withers, Ref's Witherspoon,

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Speaker 4: h you know, even somebody like Jennifer Lawrence, who's a

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Speaker 4: beautiful woman. She is, but she does kind of have

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Speaker 4: that girl next door quality. Marco Robbie does.

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Speaker 1: Not really like creepy there. I was like, yes she is.

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Speaker 1: I was like creeping myself out for a minute. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: yeah she is, dude.

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Speaker 4: Her family could be listening.

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Speaker 1: They're just down the road, I know, I know, just

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Speaker 1: down a Louisville. So yeah, how dare you they know

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Speaker 1: she's good looking?

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Speaker 4: I mean they do.

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Speaker 1: She's crazy talented and she's putting babies out now in

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Speaker 1: movies and she's just getting it done.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, you know they're not on the open market, man.

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Speaker 1: No, well no, but I mean she's she's having a

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Speaker 1: family and a life and living it and making great work.

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Speaker 1: And this is gotten creepy and we only have a

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Speaker 1: minute now. I want to talk about this AI video

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Speaker 1: with Tom Curls and Brown Pit and it's gone viral

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Speaker 1: and people are very upset, including those in the Motion

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Speaker 1: Picture Association, because this is the concern that they have.

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Speaker 1: In a minute or so, can you make sense of

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Speaker 1: this or no?

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Speaker 4: Okay? The bottom line is as much as fun as

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Speaker 4: AI is to generate images, it at its heart art

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Speaker 4: lives and it's built on plagiarism because it takes other

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Speaker 4: work that artists have done without paying them and redistributes

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Speaker 4: it in a new image. And that's not good. But

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Speaker 4: the problem is you will always need a human element

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Speaker 4: to make it just not look like a computer did it,

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Speaker 4: no matter what you do. Yes, this is cool, and

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Speaker 4: yeah you can see Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise's face,

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Speaker 4: but there's no story, there's no plot, there's no anything there.

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Speaker 4: And you could generate a yeah, oh sure you're gonna

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Speaker 4: get AI to do like the Hallmark Christmas movies because

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Speaker 4: those are all formulaic, but you're not gonna get it

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Speaker 4: to do the real, good human stuff. And there is

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Speaker 4: a certain human performance level there. It's it's just I've

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Speaker 4: always felt this stuff. It's catchy. There's a place for AI,

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Speaker 4: and it's to do the crap work that nobody wants

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Speaker 4: to do, Like use it to clean out the code

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Speaker 4: in computer language. There's all this garbage code in computer language.

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Speaker 4: Or you use AI to find the AI stuff on

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Speaker 4: Facebook and social media and on the internet and then

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Speaker 4: carve that out so you don't see it. But don't

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Speaker 4: use it to try to replace human artists because you

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Speaker 4: get this. But because they're now using big name actors,

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Speaker 4: Hollywood is upset and they're like, no, no, no, that's

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Speaker 4: our brand and you can't infringe upon it.

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Speaker 1: Right, So if it was us, nobody cared. We complain

1985
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Speaker 1: and people go so well to get over yourself. So

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Speaker 1: you can find out what Kevin does. You can get

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Speaker 1: him in your mailbox electronically virtually. A silver gecko on

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Speaker 1: substack is where you can find Kevin. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: making time and doing what you do.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much. Thank you for doing what

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Speaker 4: you do. You're a prince of a man.

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Speaker 1: You're searching so far.

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Speaker 4: Try to come up with something.

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Speaker 1: I know, kevinnother for me and enjoy the night. I'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you later. It's Kevin Carr, right, I'll see

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Speaker 1: you later on the Home of the Rats with sterling

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